December 20, 2018 
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#postfix[12:53:48] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:54:06] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[12:54:29] *** rob is now known as Guest40227[13:06:24] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has joined #postfix[13:13:34] *** tappy <tappy!~tappy@185.57.40.30> has joined #postfix[13:15:48] <tappy> yo got a problem when receiving emails from another internal postfix server. "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[1.2.3.4]: 550 5.1.0 <foo at example dot com>: Sender address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table". I've added 1.2.3.4 to check_helo_access to no avail[13:16:06] <tappy> Is this rejecting based on the email address of the sender rather than the IP? Not clear to me[13:16:25] <rob0> it's doing what you configured it to do[13:17:05] <rob0> "Sender address rejected" does mean that the sender address was rejected.[13:17:18] <tappy> ip address or email address tho?[13:17:30] <rob0> looks like reject_unlisted_sender[13:17:37] <tappy> I believe I've whitelisted the IP with "1.2.3.4 OK"[13:17:59] <rob0> sender address means MAIL FROM address[13:18:25] <rob0> IP would be "client address"[13:19:00] <rob0> !relevant_logs[13:19:00] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[13:19:02] <tappy> ah. thanks[13:19:07] <rob0> !showconfig[13:19:08] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[13:19:44] <tappy> ok ta things to look at there.[13:20:33] <rob0> That's what to show us in a single pastebin if you need help with it.[13:20:46] <survietamine> and what did you mean with "I've added 1.2.3.4 to check_helo_access to no avail" ?[13:21:02] <rob0> !check_helo_access[13:21:02] <knoba> rob0: "check_helo_access" : check_helo_access type:table - Search the specified access(5) database for the HELO or EHLO hostname or parent domains, and execute the corresponding action.[13:21:54] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@191.30.0.239> has joined #postfix[13:21:55] <survietamine> I meant that I don't get what that action/modification consist on.[13:22:20] <rob0> an IP address would not be in an EHLO/HELO command, unless a bracketed IP literal, e.g., [192.0.2.25][13:22:23] *** daemonkeeper <daemonkeeper!~arno@debian/developer/arno> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:22:53] <rob0> and whitelisting on the basis of EHLO is a very bad idea[13:23:29] *** daemonkeeper <daemonkeeper!~arno@debian/developer/arno> has joined #postfix[13:24:04] <rob0> Likely the best solution to this would be to either create[13:24:15] <survietamine> I did that on by phone "hello, blabla" => hangup[13:24:25] <rob0> foo at example dot com or to change the sender address being used.[13:24:51] <rob0> stray linebreak there, sorry[13:25:09] <survietamine> admit foo here is noreply :)[13:45:26] <tappy> I've created "/person at example\ dot com/ OK" in sender_access.pcre, and main.cf includes "smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access pcre:/etc/postfix/sender_access.pcre". Still the same though, "Sender address rejected"[13:45:58] <rob0> ok,[13:46:04] <rob0> !access[13:46:04] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[13:46:37] <rob0> You seem to think that "OK" in one set of restrictions will apply to all sets. This is not so.[13:47:08] <rob0> and pcre is a very odd choice for that[13:47:14] <rob0> !regex[13:47:14] <knoba> rob0: "regex" : some people, when confronted with a problem, think i know, i'll use regular expressions. now they have two problems. (jamie zawinski)[13:48:19] <tappy> It's a regex because I used a third-party postfix setup thingy and that's how it configured it.[13:48:39] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:48:46] <tappy> I've set an "OK" for the helo_access (using the hostname now), and one for the sender address[13:48:49] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[13:49:38] <rob0> eww, sounds like a clueless setup thingy[13:49:52] <rob0> You seem to think that "OK" in one set of restrictions will apply to all sets. This is not so.[13:50:31] <rob0> You'd probably be better off streamlining everything into a single set of restrictions.[13:50:39] <tappy> I'm just trying to get it working. I really wish I had time to RTFM but that's just a dream[13:50:59] <rob0> also, submission should not be using the global restrictions[13:51:04] *** led_dark_2 <led_dark_2!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[13:51:11] <rob0> well, good luck[13:52:09] <survietamine> Jim[13:52:22] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has joined #postfix[13:52:47] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:52:48] *** led_dark_2 is now known as led_dark_1[13:57:44] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:58:45] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[14:02:15] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-172-61-151.mycingular.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:04:15] *** led_dark_2 <led_dark_2!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[14:04:42] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[14:04:42] *** led_dark_2 is now known as led_dark_1[14:10:40] *** dym <dym!~patrick@xstd.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:10:40] *** dym <dym!~patrick@unaffiliated/dym> has joined #postfix[14:16:42] *** daemonkeeper <daemonkeeper!~arno@debian/developer/arno> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:24:12] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-172-61-151.mycingular.net> has joined #postfix[14:28:55] <jimpop> ??[14:29:33] <survietamine> uff, you have hilighter on jim word?[14:29:47] <survietamine> I was just kidding, adding Jim to « good luck »[14:30:01] <jimpop> no. i just logged into to check irc and i saw my name as the last post[14:30:14] <survietamine> ah ok[14:30:15] <jimpop> ahh, good luck indeed[14:30:29] <survietamine> reference to Mission: Impossible[14:30:29] <survietamine> :)[14:30:50] <jimpop> i wonder if rob is aware of that[14:31:12] <rob0> oh no, now I will be hearing that theme song all day[14:31:15] <survietamine> Just wanted to agree with rob0 that if tappy doesn't have time to read/learn and no money to pay for some competent people, it will be mission impossible[14:31:16] <jimpop> haha[14:32:03] <jimpop> i'm sure theres some random internet tutorial out there that will help him[14:32:28] *** plains4 <plains4!~plains@HSI-KBW-091-089-090-188.hsi2.kabelbw.de> has joined #postfix[14:32:39] *** plains4 <plains4!~plains@HSI-KBW-091-089-090-188.hsi2.kabelbw.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:33:13] <rob0> like the setup thingy that made a pcre map[14:35:39] <tappy> sorted it[14:36:50] <tappy> thanks for my monthly reminder why no-one uses irc any more[14:37:06] *** tappy <tappy!~tappy@185.57.40.30> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[14:37:09] <rob0> wow, you are not nice[14:37:15] *** eminencehc <eminencehc!~eminenceh@69.206.182.230> has joined #postfix[14:37:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rob0[14:37:59] *** rob0 sets mode: +b-o $a:tappy rob0[14:38:16] <rob0> we don't need garbage like that[14:38:49] <jimpop> win-win?[14:39:06] <tuxick> "I really wish I had time to RTFM but that's just a dream"[14:39:12] <blackflow> lol[14:39:15] <tuxick> i bet he had lots of money to burn[14:40:23] <rob0> 13:40 -NickServ(NickServ at services dot )- Registered : Nov 26 20:42:38 2018 (3w 2d 16h ago)[14:40:40] <rob0> Monthly reminder, registered 3 weeks :)[14:40:52] <jimpop> hah[14:41:04] <rob0> which means he gets banned a lot[14:41:32] <tuxick> :)[14:48:51] <lunaphyte> oh darn[14:49:18] <lunaphyte> i missed another idiot too busy being cool to make an actual effort or to think?[14:49:48] <Alver> Don't worry, there will be plenty more of that kind[14:52:29] <rob0> he'll be back with a different nickserv account[14:52:39] *** edux <edux!~edux@host48.181-13-66.telecom.net.ar> has joined #postfix[14:53:16] <jimpop> he needs to keep the same nickserv account and just get a new attitude[14:53:24] <jimpop> much easier[14:54:03] <rob0> not for people like that[14:54:06] <lunaphyte> oh - maybe you missed the bulletin sent out for new age interpersonal dynamics[14:54:32] <lunaphyte> it's ok to be a jerk if you're charismatic[14:54:34] <lunaphyte> didn't you hear?[14:54:38] <jimpop> hah![15:01:02] <lunaphyte> [08.36.50] tappy: thanks for my monthly reminder why no-one who behaves like me uses irc any more[15:01:07] <lunaphyte> there, ftfy[15:01:17] <lunaphyte> totally right, too. i agree![15:01:39] <rob0> yep, that fixed it[15:01:44] <lunaphyte> we've been driving away entitled jerks in droves![15:08:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@host48.181-13-66.telecom.net.ar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:11:22] *** tenaglia <tenaglia!~jack@pb-d-128-141-210-30.cern.ch> has joined #postfix[15:12:18] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:28:45] <survietamine> < tappy> thanks for my monthly reminder why no-one uses irc any more <-- does that mean that on other support channels (mailing-lists, forums, etc) people are more "tolerant" with this kind of user?[15:29:33] <rob0> no, the opposite, it means no channel tolerates him, but they SHOULD, because "entitled"[15:30:01] <rob0> the problem is us[15:30:48] <survietamine> yeah, I've got that on IRC. But I was wondering if elsewhere (on the web ?) people accept to help him[15:30:51] <blackflow> how dare ya![15:31:44] <rob0> oh, hmm[15:31:49] <survietamine> maybe he is refering to low value support sites like stackoverflow and alike[15:32:25] <survietamine> on #bash, we have factoids about google but also stackoverflow, tldp, etc[15:32:32] <blackflow> SO is high value, when you learn that the first answer below the marked one IS more likely to be correct :)[15:33:01] *** daemonkeeper <daemonkeeper!~arno@debian/developer/arno> has joined #postfix[15:33:15] <survietamine> from what I've seen, too much garbage[15:34:59] <blackflow> https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import[15:35:05] <rob0> when you ask incomplete questions on a forum,as he did here, you're less likely to be guided into completing it, I think[15:35:52] <blackflow> "I don't have time to RTFM so I'm going to demand you waste your time to re-type all the RTFM knowledge here which I'd have to READ still ,but I have no time for that so someone upload to my brainz remotly kthnxbai"[15:36:05] <rob0> and coupled with the lesser degree of expertise you find there, it gets worse[15:36:57] <rob0> otoh mailing lists like postfix-users are more to the point and probably LESS tolderant than we are[15:38:04] <rob0> and the expertise level on postfix-users is actually > #po :)[15:38:37] <rob0> uh, lag, that was #po<tab> and failed to complete[15:40:01] <survietamine> po box[16:22:17] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.111.195.233> has joined #postfix[16:27:29] *** exs <exs!~rs@ip5f5af30d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #postfix[16:27:33] <exs> hi[16:28:23] <exs> i have a question, I get the error warning: Illegal address syntax from xxx in MAIL command: <info at xxx dot ch>[16:28:45] <exs> because I use an email address with üä in the name[16:28:52] <exs> is that a client issue or an issue of postfix?[16:29:38] <rob0> !smtputf8[16:29:38] <knoba> rob0: "smtputf8" : SMTPUTF8 support in Postfix: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPUTF8_README.html[16:31:17] <exs> rob0: I heared about. I have main.cf.default:smtputf8_enable = ${{$compatibility_level} < {1} ? {no} : {yes}} - so should it be enabled automatically?[16:32:24] <Alver> Depends on whether you're still running in compat mode, it seems[16:32:39] <Alver> And since it doesn't seem to be working, one can presume you are[16:32:52] <exs> telnet 25 tells me 250 SMTPUTF8[16:34:03] <rob0> that means it's enabled[16:36:13] <exs> rob0: any idea why I doesnt get it run? guess thunderbirds fault? I guess because it does not append SMTPUTF8 as the mail from keyword?[16:40:14] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[16:40:14] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:40:24] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[16:40:57] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[16:45:01] <survietamine> from the french sysadmin ml, I've seen some discussion today, that even if your mta is supporting smtputf8, Thunderbird won't[16:45:12] <survietamine> so, I'd say yes, but I've never configured that[16:48:49] <blackflow> I'm also hesitating to flip that on systemwide[16:49:55] <exs> survietamine: thunderbird is not supporting it. is there a way to make postfix work it anyway? even without appliying for smtputf8?[17:01:54] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:02:43] *** zapata_ <zapata_!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:7db0:20bb:476a:c9ef> has joined #postfix[17:03:07] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[17:04:00] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:d9f2:4817:f837:b91a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:05:25] <survietamine> work what? non ascii in domain part?[17:05:58] <survietamine> maybe with IDNA support. Sorry, I'm not good at that either.[17:06:12] <survietamine> in facts, I'm not good at all :/[17:12:08] <exs> I mean is it possible to make postfix work without mentioning that postfix is going to connect with smtputf8. that is how it works. if you mention your sender address you add the keyword SMTPUTF8 to let postfix know that the mail address is crypted[17:14:24] <tenaglia> !showconfig[17:14:24] <knoba> tenaglia: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[17:15:42] <tenaglia> !getting_help[17:15:42] <knoba> tenaglia: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[17:16:20] <tenaglia> !help mailbox_size_limit[17:16:20] <knoba> tenaglia: Error: There is no command "mailboxsizelimit".[17:16:37] <tenaglia> !sizelimit[17:16:37] <knoba> tenaglia: Error: "sizelimit" is not a valid command.[17:16:39] <tenaglia> !sizelimits[17:16:39] <knoba> tenaglia: Error: "sizelimits" is not a valid command.[17:16:40] <tenaglia> well[17:18:28] <tenaglia> OK found the default is 51200000.[17:24:45] *** ryugen <ryugen!~ryugen@119.192.143.237> has joined #postfix[17:25:11] *** ryugen <ryugen!~ryugen@119.192.143.237> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:27:54] *** ALowther_ <ALowther_!~quassel@108.190.224.222> has joined #postfix[17:56:26] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@2a02:810c:e3f:e500:21e:2aff:fe47:c90f> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - 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