December 18, 2018 
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<TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[03:56:16] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[03:56:46] <oscurochu> so im debating paying for a email server vs setting up my own.[03:57:08] <thumbs> oscurochu: do the former.[04:00:30] <rob0> ^^ in general, yes. There are still a few reasons to run your own, but beware, it's very time intensive and sometimes stressful.[04:00:39] <thumbs> !t oscurochu why[04:00:39] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "t" is not a valid command.[04:00:44] <thumbs> !tell oscurochu why[04:00:44] <knoba> oscurochu: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[04:00:54] <thumbs> rob0: add the !t trigger now[04:01:08] * rob0 doesn't know how[04:01:52] <rob0> !signum[04:01:52] <knoba> rob0: "signum" : author of the workaround.org ispmail tutorials, daddy of the 'knoba' bot - formerly known as 'ChrisH'[04:02:02] <rob0> !seen signum[04:02:02] <knoba> rob0: signum was last seen in #postfix 3 years, 0 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Signum> I think I'll go with the content_filter using a pipe script.[04:07:16] <oscurochu> well im definitely not new to linux. im not afraid of setting up an email server, i've done it before… but i've been warned that it could result in my server being blacklisted as a spammer[04:08:04] <thumbs> oscurochu: you might already be, unless you build your reputation.[04:08:20] <oscurochu> im also not opposed to paying for a server, but then that brings the next question… i bought my domain through godaddy and i am considering using their email service. do i have other options?[04:08:33] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[04:08:54] <rob0> Deliverability is often a big problem. You don't get listed as a spammer unless you ARE a spammer, but a lot of smalltime new sites are going to have deliverability issues.[04:08:56] *** rob is now known as Guest37722[04:09:28] <oscurochu> i am hosting on aws, if that has any relevance[04:09:51] <rob0> well, speaking for myself, godaddy is the last provider I would consider for anything.[04:10:08] <thumbs> indeed. You can use them for DNS, and host your email somewhere else.[04:10:08] <oscurochu> im gonna just take your word that an email server is going to take too long to setup… i need a quick solution right now and if i want at a later time, ill setup a server[04:10:21] <rob0> well,[04:10:24] <thumbs> oscurochu: you'll need *months* to get up to speed on your own.[04:10:24] <rob0> !basic[04:10:24] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[04:10:34] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[04:10:44] <thumbs> oscurochu: possibly less if you're experienced running a mail server.[04:10:59] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[04:11:00] <rob0> you can have a basic server up quickly, but when spam hits you, it will hit hard[04:11:21] <oscurochu> didnt think that far ahead[04:11:33] <thumbs> deploying a server quickly isn't hard. Doing it properly is.[04:11:40] <oscurochu> true[04:11:40] <rob0> if you want to try it, just don't RELY on it[04:11:58] <oscurochu> so what are my viable options ?[04:12:28] <rob0> this is a new domain?[04:12:37] <rob0> never spammed yet?[04:12:43] <oscurochu> yes brand new[04:13:02] <oscurochu> i doubt google even knows about it yet, i just set it up today[04:13:29] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[04:13:52] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[04:14:05] *** Guest37722 <Guest37722!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:14:08] <rob0> the !basic howto plus mutt or alpine should be easy, in fact, maybe ~/.muttrc would be harder than Postfix[04:14:34] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[04:14:57] <rob0> when you want to use a nice GUI MUA from home, you'll need[04:15:00] <rob0> !imap[04:15:00] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[04:15:02] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[04:15:08] <rob0> and[04:15:14] <rob0> !submission[04:15:14] <knoba> rob0: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[04:15:32] <oscurochu> ok i dont want to use postfix or run my own server… i just want to know what servers can i point my domain to that are worth the money[04:16:01] <rob0> I only know a few to steer you away from[04:16:21] <rob0> some like el Goog, some loathe it[04:18:14] <oscurochu> whats wrong with godaddy?[04:23:33] <rob0> as a former user of theirs, registrar only, they seemed incompetent in every way.[04:23:39] *** elenril <elenril!~elenril@tutturu.red.khirnov.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:23:51] <rob0> plus,[04:23:59] <rob0> !port_25_block[04:23:59] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[04:25:21] <rob0> I can say that moving my domains elsewhere went surprisingly smoothly, however.[04:25:37] <oscurochu> i have to wait 60 days because i just made it today[04:25:46] <oscurochu> will i be fine using it for the time being?[04:30:21] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[04:30:45] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[04:32:44] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:33:00] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[04:35:28] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-172-63-11.mycingular.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:38:17] *** elenril <elenril!~elenril@tutturu.red.khirnov.net> has joined #postfix[04:48:57] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:49:53] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[04:52:43] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[04:54:49] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:56:31] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[04:56:47] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:03:30] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[05:05:28] *** SJr <SJr!~sjr@unaffiliated/sjr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:07:04] *** SJr <SJr!~sjr@unaffiliated/sjr> has joined #postfix[05:23:30] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:26:46] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[05:44:28] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[05:44:54] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[05:46:03] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[05:46:27] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[05:50:14] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[05:53:21] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:01:42] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[06:02:05] *** rob is now known as Guest33434[06:06:38] *** Guest33434 <Guest33434!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[06:09:26] *** FierceDeityLink <FierceDeityLink!~FierceDei@pool-108-35-26-162.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[06:10:03] *** FierceDeityLink <FierceDeityLink!~FierceDei@pool-108-35-26-162.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:39:21] *** gu1lle_1 <gu1lle_1!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[06:39:38] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[06:40:35] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[06:40:36] *** gu1lle_1 is now known as gu1lle_[06:41:17] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[06:41:44] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[06:43:01] <kermit> can postfix be configured to temporarily reject mail due to high system load? 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:D[09:45:02] <Alver> Mmmm... Dungeon Keeper 2[09:45:14] * Alver nostalgisms[09:45:49] <survietamine> me starcraft, first version[09:46:44] <survietamine> eh, stupid axelos wants $42 for printing exam result, lol[09:46:51] <tuxick> survietamine: normally they send someone else on crazy quests[09:48:13] <survietamine> tuxick: my manager wanted me to move messages on glusterfs[09:48:40] <survietamine> I still not have done yet and he discovered that gluster storage does pauses about 10s regularly[09:48:43] <survietamine> lol[09:49:00] <tuxick> don't understand what he has in mind[09:49:33] <survietamine> since now we have several datacenters available, he wants HA for every services[09:49:55] <survietamine> so, wants mails servers behind haproxy and messages on some dfs, currently gluster[09:50:01] <survietamine> maybe later ceph[09:51:16] <tuxick> should work :)[09:52:05] <tuxick> but synching such data between datacenters sounds a bit over the top to me[09:52:19] <tuxick> unless it's all quite fast lines[09:52:36] <survietamine> it's 10Gbps[09:52:49] <tuxick> ok no problem then :)[09:52:59] <tuxick> assuming sane latency[09:53:54] <survietamine> I think, I should first setup some archive storage like with mailarchiva, mailpiler[09:54:07] <survietamine> so, I don't have to sync the huge historical messages[09:56:36] <double-p> no dovecot? imapc did well for initial sync/migration (and then replicator)[09:57:07] <tuxick> why? thing like ceph would just take care of all that[09:57:26] <tuxick> actually i've only used drbd for such things so far[09:58:02] <tuxick> confusing HA and load balancing?[09:58:48] <double-p> i had my "share" with glusterfs :)[10:02:47] * Alver shivers at the mention of drbd[10:03:47] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[10:04:12] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[10:06:40] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-133-248-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has joined #postfix[10:06:55] <survietamine> yes, we have dovecot, but as tuxick said, some dfs would handle that[10:07:40] <survietamine> I know dovecot has dsync too, I tried it a few times, not very happy with it[10:10:22] <tuxick> duplicating data at that level is just asking for confusion[10:10:28] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[10:10:54] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[10:13:39] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:14:51] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[10:14:59] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[10:21:54] <twanny796> hello[10:22:39] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[10:23:05] <twanny796> I'm still having problems with "<helocheck at cbl dot abuseat.org>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error[10:23:05] <twanny796> for name=cbl.abuseat.org type=A: Host found but no data record of requested[10:23:05] <twanny796> type[10:23:05] <twanny796> "[10:23:05] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[10:23:23] <twanny796> :([10:24:02] <tuxick> fix dns[10:24:31] <twanny796> tuxick, reverse dns is ok now[10:24:42] <tuxick> then your helo isn't[10:24:49] <tuxick> those must match[10:25:11] <twanny796> tuxick, how can I set helo?[10:25:38] <survietamine> why don't you give entire lines from logs?[10:25:48] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[10:26:20] *** alexandre9099 <alexandre9099!~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)[10:26:31] <survietamine> !helo[10:26:31] <knoba> survietamine: "helo" : The domain name given in the HELO or EHLO command MUST be either a host name that is resolvable to an DNS Resource Record address, or an IP address literal.[10:26:54] <survietamine> !fcrdns[10:26:54] <knoba> survietamine: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[10:29:06] <twanny796> dig -x gives mydomain.com, should it give mail.domain.com?[10:29:31] <twanny796> !relayhost[10:29:31] <knoba> twanny796: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[10:30:35] <survietamine> twanny796: at first place, I don't know what your problem is[10:31:10] <twanny796> survietamine, I'm getting blocked from many sites.[10:31:29] <twanny796> !helo[10:31:29] <knoba> twanny796: "helo" : The domain name given in the HELO or EHLO command MUST be either a host name that is resolvable to an DNS Resource Record address, or an IP address literal.[10:31:33] <survietamine> ok, and you think it's about missing PTR?[10:32:07] <survietamine> maybe send some message here: https://www.mail-tester.com/[10:32:12] <survietamine> and check what is wrong[10:32:26] <twanny796> survietamine, this sounds ok. I will try[10:32:29] <survietamine> it's not perfect[10:33:32] <twanny796> I got a score of 6/10[10:33:48] <survietamine> check what you need to fix[10:35:36] <survietamine> did you contact postmasters of the hosting that blocked your server ip?[10:35:46] <twanny796> no[10:36:12] <twanny796> it says I'm listed in 2 blacklists[10:36:25] <Alver> Heh[10:36:33] <Alver> Yeah, that doesn't help.[10:37:19] <twanny796> Your message is not signed with DKIM[10:39:17] <Alver> Forget about DKIM, get your basic shit together first.[10:39:20] <survietamine> you will have to ask for delist if available, but first, you have to fix what's wrong in your setup[10:39:38] <survietamine> also, if you have some compromised accounts, you need to block them quick[10:41:14] <twanny796> I am listed in Barracuda and RATS-ALL[10:48:19] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:49:03] <tuxick> \o/[10:49:11] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> 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Since there is an explicit ( sender relay/ site relay ) way to configure TLS, i am aksing myself how this is done for SSL in particular?[12:50:17] <eugenmayer> (we are talking about the smtp, not smtp part)[12:51:35] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[12:52:03] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[12:58:56] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[12:59:23] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:01:56] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[13:02:22] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:03:53] *** 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has quit IRC (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number)[13:33:35] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@p54A69CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:33:35] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:35:57] *** eminencehc <eminencehc!~eminenceh@69.206.182.230> has joined #postfix[13:36:22] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:37:06] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p2E542701.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:44:04] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-172-63-11.mycingular.net> has joined #postfix[14:12:20] *** johnny56 <johnny56!~johnny56@unaffiliated/johnny56> has joined #postfix[14:26:54] *** amarks14 <amarks14!~amarks@125-8-204-96.rev.home.ne.jp> has joined #postfix[14:28:05] *** stenrose <stenrose!~martin@2a01:2b0:301d:100:1118:278c:f2:9e6b> has joined #postfix[14:31:20] *** amarks14 <amarks14!~amarks@125-8-204-96.rev.home.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[14:45:33] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@191.30.0.202> has joined #postfix[14:48:01] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[14:54:12] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@191.30.0.202> has left #postfix[14:57:35] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@191.30.0.202> has joined #postfix[15:01:52] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:13:33] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@p54A69CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[15:13:55] <eugenmayer> Hello, when sending with "ecrypt" to an 587 tls smarthost, i get: TLS library problem: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number:../ssl/record/ssl3_record.c:252:[15:14:26] <eugenmayer> ( (Cannot start TLS: handshake failure) )[15:15:26] <eugenmayer> i played arround with ciphers medium and smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter=login but could not fix it[15:19:57] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:21:50] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[15:22:32] <lunaphyte> eugenmayer: authentication != encryption[15:22:55] <lunaphyte> sasl is for authentication. tls is for encryption. they are two different things[15:23:00] <lunaphyte> in any case:[15:23:10] <lunaphyte> !tell eugenmayer getting_help[15:23:10] <knoba> eugenmayer: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[15:24:33] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: sure i get that ( will get the config in a second ). My issue here is with the encryption i would say, since we are in the handshake phase, right[15:24:48] <lunaphyte> uh[15:25:08] <lunaphyte> your issue there is with the encryption, period. it has nothing to do with any "phases"[15:29:04] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: https://dpaste.de/47CB#[15:29:24] <eugenmayer> (tried to be consistent with the <censored> part)[15:31:20] <eugenmayer> What i expect ( want ) is that it tries to use STARTLS on 587, since smtp_tls_wrappermode is activated and the tls policy for this host is encrypt[15:35:58] <eugenmayer> i tried to test the server (smarthost ) using swaks with —tls and the same authentication and it works without issues: https://dpaste.de/W6KK[15:40:48] <blackflow> eugenmayer: tls wrappermode is the opposite of STARTTLS, ie using dedicated TLS port[15:41:18] <blackflow> so either switch to port 465 or disable it[15:46:32] <eugenmayer> blackflow: oh .. sorry got that wrong[15:46:45] <eugenmayer> mail.<censored>.de:587 encrypt protocols=!SSLv2,!TLSv1 ciphers=medium[15:47:20] <eugenmayer> what is actually wrong with the tls policy, seems like its wrong by syntax .. looking at http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps i am not sure how this should look like[15:48:28] <Alver> Funny to disable SSLv2 and TLSv1, but not SSLv3[15:49:15] <eugenmayer> Alver: i was just test-driving, i disabled SSLv3 in the main configuration too[15:49:26] <lunaphyte> huh?[15:49:35] <lunaphyte> why are you disabling that stuff?[15:49:43] <lunaphyte> is this strictly an msa?[15:49:47] <eugenmayer> yes[15:50:04] <lunaphyte> then you should restrict that for the msa service only.[15:50:15] <lunaphyte> not for relaying[15:53:00] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:54:37] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[15:57:31] <eugenmayer> blackflow: doing that, i get a "(SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate to server mail.<censored>.de[xx.xx.xx.30]: no mechanism available)"[15:57:48] <lunaphyte> what mechanisms are offered?[16:01:28] <eugenmayer> by postfix or the remote mta?[16:02:00] <eugenmayer> (remote mta) https://dpaste.de/W6KK … so LOGIN[16:02:43] <eugenmayer> adding smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter = login to my config does not help[16:02:43] <lunaphyte> hmm?[16:02:57] <lunaphyte> you think only login is offered? why?[16:03:07] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Quit: chowbok)[16:03:19] <eugenmayer> sorry overlooked, its PLAN. and LOGIN: 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN[16:03:27] <lunaphyte> yes, use plain. avoid login[16:04:03] <lunaphyte> did you read sasl_readme? it explains how to configure client sasl[16:04:03] <eugenmayer> who ever invented login .. what .. for ...[16:04:10] <lunaphyte> microsoft[16:04:16] <lunaphyte> because they do what they always do[16:04:55] <eugenmayer> yes several times i did and i was able to get it working with strato but e.g. now failing with our TLS on 587 ( strato i tried 465)[16:05:13] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: interesting by setting[16:05:15] <eugenmayer> smtp_sasl_security_options=[16:05:20] <eugenmayer> i could now send the mails[16:05:44] <eugenmayer> i will have to understand why i guess.[16:06:03] <lunaphyte> look at the default[16:06:10] <lunaphyte> it disallows plaintext mechs[16:06:21] <lunaphyte> which means it disallows the plain and login mechs[16:06:27] <lunaphyte> which means it can't work[16:06:45] <eugenmayer> It seems like the whole "per site" sender relay seems fairly half-implemented on postfix. Half of the options are critical per site, available top level only[16:06:45] <lunaphyte> you should have smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous[16:06:55] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[16:07:27] <lunaphyte> not sure what you mean.[16:07:29] <eugenmayer> i am not sure what noplaintext does mean here. since my server is offering PLAIN / LOGIN only, that is both "plaintext credentials" for me[16:07:45] <lunaphyte> huh?[16:08:01] <lunaphyte> the context is you server relaying to another server[16:08:08] <eugenmayer> wrappermode is available only "per postfix" and not per site right. And when you have one site using 465 tls and the other 567 you cannot use the same postfix[16:08:10] <lunaphyte> what your server offers is of zero relevance[16:08:23] <lunaphyte> eugenmayer: sorry, that's just not true[16:08:24] <eugenmayer> i am talking about the remote MTA, it offers PLAIN/LOGIN[16:08:36] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[16:08:43] <lunaphyte> i suggest you learn how things actually work before judging and criticizing them[16:09:18] <lunaphyte> eugenmayer: your words were "my server is offering PLAIN / LOGIN only"[16:09:36] <eugenmayer> ok could you then explain me, how i would configure wrappermode per "site" .. looking at http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps this seems not to be possible. Neither is setting http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_sasl_security_options[16:09:56] <lunaphyte> that question was answered multiple time for you yesterday[16:09:57] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: sorry, in this case both are mine - bad wording, my bad ( you cannot know )[16:10:02] <lunaphyte> *times[16:10:20] <lunaphyte> mail.<censored>.de is your server also?[16:10:26] <eugenmayer> yes[16:10:36] <lunaphyte> i see. yes, that does clarify[16:11:04] <lunaphyte> anyway, as explained yesterday, you'll need to configure a service [transport] per remote server, in master.cf[16:11:17] <eugenmayer> what i understood yesterday about the wrapper mode was basically i am not allowed to mix both. Either stick to 465 for all or use 587 for all[16:11:31] <eugenmayer> "anyway, as explained yesterday, you'll need to configure a service [transport] per remote server, in http://master.cf/" <- i did that[16:11:43] <eugenmayer> or "i think i did so"[16:11:58] <lunaphyte> hard to say[16:12:01] <lunaphyte> but i doubt it[16:12:07] <eugenmayer> i am using sender_relay[16:12:13] <lunaphyte> once you follow the instructions in !getting_help, then we will know[16:12:19] <eugenmayer> where i map "from to transport"[16:12:32] <eugenmayer> i pasted that alreadt, also yesterday, and also that bit[16:12:57] <eugenmayer> https://dpaste.de/47CB# line 23[16:13:16] <lunaphyte> um[16:13:36] <lunaphyte> i'm confused[16:13:37] <eugenmayer> https://dpaste.de/3Rax[16:13:59] <lunaphyte> you need to follow the directions, please[16:14:02] <lunaphyte> read them.[16:14:04] <lunaphyte> follow them[16:14:19] <lunaphyte> if you had followed them, people would not be telling you you didn't ;)[16:14:37] <eugenmayer> i am not commenting on that.[16:15:45] <lunaphyte> sure, there's no comment to make. just read the instructions, and then follow them. then we can continue helping[16:15:56] * tuxick throws another lawyer on the BBQ[16:16:28] <survietamine> so, you munged your dns domain but not the IPv4 address[16:16:32] * blackflow ads fuel to that fire[16:16:42] <eugenmayer> survietamine: yea i fked up on that..[16:16:52] <survietamine> maybe just replace your actual domain with example.net and your IP address with something else[16:17:02] <survietamine> replace all in some editor[16:17:03] <lunaphyte> none of that is the issue[16:17:21] <lunaphyte> the instructions are simple and short. just follow them. it's not hard[16:17:34] <rob0> https://dpaste.de/47CB <-- this is because of wrappermode, which is *** ONLY *** applicable on port 465[16:18:26] <blackflow> rob0: and eugenmayer said that was solved but I guess either isn't or the latest paste is too old[16:18:36] <eugenmayer> rob0: i understood that, blackflow mentioned that. My point is, if you have 2 different sender relays[16:18:43] <rob0> I thought we went all through the wrappermode thing yesterday and determined to get rid of it.[16:18:53] <blackflow> eugenmayer: it'd be great if you could post a pastebin with the problem summarized, along with all the relevant (actual, latest) configs and log entries.[16:18:54] <survietamine> eugenmayer: you wrote that you paste master.cf, but I cannot see it in your paste[16:19:00] <eugenmayer> one is for 587 tls, one for 465 tls, you cannot configure that AFAICS with postifx, since wrappermode is a global flag[16:19:10] <rob0> If you have a wrappermode relay YOU NEED A TRANSPORT for that[16:19:17] <eugenmayer> blackflow: will do / try.[16:19:25] <lunaphyte> that's at least 4 times now :([16:19:27] <rob0> and I showed you the basics of how to do that[16:20:02] <eugenmayer> oh shait.. i was not even once looking at master.cf .. i though its just a different layout of configuration files .. as main.cf ..[16:20:13] <eugenmayer> Well yes, i guess i am on it.[16:20:16] <lunaphyte> a different layout?[16:20:17] <eugenmayer> thank you all[16:20:34] <rob0> abd I did specifically mention master.cf yesterday[16:20:41] <lunaphyte> that's why following the directions matters[16:20:47] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:20:48] <lunaphyte> !showconfig[16:20:49] <knoba> lunaphyte: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[16:21:09] <eugenmayer> rob0: yes and i really though i "pasted" that by pasting the main.cf because i just though its a differnet configuration layout on debian. It was just a misunderstanding .. i was not trying to ignore you[16:21:26] <lunaphyte> i'm confused[16:21:26] <survietamine> !debian[16:21:26] <knoba> survietamine: "debian" : (#1) Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well., or (#2) Debian splits the syslog mail facility into several files; the one most likely to be of interest is mail.log , which contains all mail.* priority levels.[16:21:39] <lunaphyte> the instructions say to run two commands.[16:21:48] <lunaphyte> command one AND command two[16:21:56] <rob0> thing one and thing two[16:21:58] <lunaphyte> not "pick whichever one you like best"[16:21:58] <eugenmayer> rob0: the mater.cf file is untouched / vanilla. Still paste it?[16:22:11] <lunaphyte> DO NOT PASTE FILES![16:22:13] <lunaphyte> jesus[16:22:14] <lunaphyte> RUN[16:22:15] <lunaphyte> THE[16:22:17] <lunaphyte> COMMANDS[16:22:19] <rob0> "man postconf" see -M[16:22:28] <lunaphyte> LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS TELL YOU TO[16:23:25] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[16:24:17] <double-p> shooo[16:24:35] <eugenmayer> rob0 / blackflow https://dpaste.de/ZQiz .. i think right now logs are not needed, i have no issue in that regard but maybe i have no question either. As far as i understood to fix that "wrappermode" issue when having 2 relays ( one 465 / 587 ) i have to create a transport in master.cf - i will read that up, thank you[16:24:38] <survietamine> dura lex, sed lex :p[16:24:38] <tuxick> :)[16:24:59] <lunaphyte> *plonk*[16:25:30] <lunaphyte> why the obstinance and recalcitrance?[16:26:06] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: maybe in your own words : https://www.dictionary.com/browse/misunderstanding[16:26:32] <lunaphyte> heh[16:26:41] <eugenmayer> you can smash the bot at me as long as you like, you will never clear of any of those. Anyway, i am not happy either standing on my line[16:26:45] <lunaphyte> no, misunderstanding is not what's happening here[16:26:50] <blackflow> (unrelated but.... queue lifetime of 5 days in 2019... you'll get snailmail there faster than you're notified of failed delivery)[16:27:07] <eugenmayer> blackflow: it has a reason[16:27:29] <eugenmayer> blackflow: that msa is application specific, not an actual end user one[16:27:35] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has joined #postfix[16:28:35] <lunaphyte> um, 5 days is the default for maximal_queue_lifetime[16:28:40] <blackflow> eugenmayer: anyway, so with the config you posted, and having said that the initial issue of TLS version mismach is gone, what's the latest issue with this?[16:28:41] <lunaphyte> it does not need to be specified[16:29:48] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: serisously could you just do something else?[16:30:27] <eugenmayer> or just ignore me. I got the idiot stamp through your glases - fine, maybe deserved whatever. But please stop it now[16:32:55] <eugenmayer> blackflow: the latest issues is, that i need several sender relays and they can have different options saying, (non authed + plaintext, authed+tls+465, authed+tls+587). For the latter 2 i struggeled finding the correct "base setup" to then define the relays in the sender_relay the correct way, since i was road-blocking me with wrappermode which did either brake one or the other. rob0 was already refering that i will need to generate a t[16:32:55] <eugenmayer> ransport for that case to be solved, i am reading that one up[16:35:35] <blackflow> eugenmayer: question, are you 100% sure you need wrapper mode anywhere? usually servers support both and the general recommendation here seems to be to use STARTTLS[16:36:47] <rob0> Yesterday we looked at smtp.strato.de, and I found that they have a MSA on port 587 which does support STARTTLS.[16:38:16] <eugenmayer> blackflow: its not really about one configuration / one provider. My customers will use either the own mtas, some own msas and so on, i cannot be exclusive in this sort[16:38:46] <eugenmayer> blackflow: i am generating the whole configuration using a consul configuration backend + tiller. But that's nothing we should look at[16:39:14] <rob0> hmm, and that sounds like a null client would be a better approach[16:39:22] <rob0> !nullclient[16:39:23] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : (#1) a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details., or (#2) See http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client[16:39:30] <rob0> !nullclient_software[16:39:30] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[16:40:43] <eugenmayer> rob0: i have several microservices in the application which need to send mails using this msa as their toolset[16:40:55] *** tenaglia <tenaglia!~jack@pb-d-128-141-210-81.cern.ch> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:41:41] <eugenmayer> rob0: i am not sure but http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client looks not at all as it would able to handle "multi sender relays"[16:42:43] <eugenmayer> could someone help me seperate what the meaning of "sender relay" vs "transport" is. It seems like they share a similar goal[16:43:36] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:44:13] <eugenmayer> IMHO, it seesm like transport is handling the domain part of the from address only, mapping it to a host:port which i defined in sals_passwd / tls_per_site[16:44:54] <eugenmayer> sender_relay seem to be able to that, but also for the whole from part ( the actual sender ). And i am not sure if "transport" does actually even more[16:46:22] <blackflow> eugenmayer: never done this myself, so I'm guessing and judging what rob0 mentioned earlier, you need named transports in master.cf for each of hte relays that require -o smtp_tls_wrappermode=yes and then use a transport map to use specific transports based on I _think_ sender_dependent_relayhost_maps[16:46:30] <blackflow> *judging from[16:47:39] <lunaphyte> eugenmayer: i'm sorry that being told a setting is redundant is so traumatizing for you.[16:48:06] <lunaphyte> to answer your question, no, i won't just sit idly by and not point out when mistakes are being made[16:48:17] <lunaphyte> it's something you'll just have to learn to accept and live with[16:49:23] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:49:37] <eugenmayer> blackflow: i understand, what i wonder about is, that i cannot see how one would define those specifics in http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html .. maybe i just did miss it. I read it again[16:50:01] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@p54A69CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:50:07] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@p54A69CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[16:50:15] <eugenmayer> blackflow: i would have expected to find something there where i can define an set of options for a transport, like wrapper mode, security options and so not sure this is the case yet[16:50:15] <lunaphyte> yes, blackflow is correct[16:50:26] <blackflow> eugenmayer: yeah I thought one could specify options in the transport(5) maps, but I don't see it in the docs[16:50:58] <lunaphyte> you define options for the transport in the same place you define the transport, master.cf[16:51:03] <lunaphyte> makes sense, right?![16:51:15] <blackflow> yup. and those with wrappermode-only access should be in (huge) minority.[16:51:20] <lunaphyte> then, you simply use that transport, wherever you like![16:51:29] <blackflow> which means, default to STARTTLS and make exceptions only where really needed.[16:51:39] <lunaphyte> well, maybe[16:51:48] <lunaphyte> these days, i'd argue the opposite[16:51:53] <lunaphyte> but it depends a bit on context[16:52:26] <rob0> you must duplicate the "smtp ... smtp" line, but change the name (first column) and add " -o smtp_tls_wrappermode=yes"[16:52:49] <blackflow> well I'm going with the flow and not in the mood to argue. I'd always use wrappermode FIRST if it exists :) I thought this chan was adamnt about using STARTTLS and TLS dedicated ports being deprecated.[16:53:02] <blackflow> did that change? :)[16:53:03] <lunaphyte> we used to be, yeah[16:53:06] <lunaphyte> because they were[16:53:17] <lunaphyte> !tell blackflow submissions[16:53:17] <knoba> blackflow: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with "-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes". See the commented example for "smtps" in master.cf.[16:53:27] <rob0> wrappermode was recently "undeprecated" ^^[16:53:34] <blackflow> oh cool. was just about to ask whether RFC 8314 had something to do with it, it appears it does.[16:53:58] <eugenmayer> So you would go with wrappermode=yes globally and then do exceptions?[16:54:03] <rob0> but for my own server I have to plans to offer submissions[16:54:28] <rob0> You. CANNOT. Do. Global. Wrappermode. NO![16:54:31] <blackflow> eugenmayer: depends on actual use case you see I suppose. what I meant was I'd personally, for my configs and own use cases (and I do actually), use dedicated TLS ports wherever possible.[16:54:44] <eugenmayer> rob0: directly in the master.cf or is there a syntax in transport?[16:59:38] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has joined #postfix[16:59:55] <eugenmayer> rob0: so something like: user at example dot com smtp:mail.<censoren.de> -o smtp_tls_wrappermode=yes[17:00:26] <rob0> that is not so[17:00:32] <rob0> 15:52 < rob0> you must duplicate the "smtp ... smtp" line, but change the name (first column) and add " -o smtp_tls_wrappermode=yes"[17:00:38] <rob0> in master.cf[17:01:10] <rob0> "smtpwrap ... smtp -o smtp_tls_wrappermode=yes"[17:02:08] <rob0> user at example dot com smtpwrap:[mail.example.de]:465[17:02:11] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:02:19] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:02:29] <eugenmayer> i see, thank you[17:03:06] <eugenmayer> so basically like a protocol handler in the URI scheme, you define a new protocol / transport here and reference in the "not so URI" kind of way in the transport file[17:04:38] <eugenmayer> ah there are examples for submission, smtps and all that. Gotcha. Thank you for being patient.[17:13:20] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[17:16:54] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[17:17:04] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@p54A69CED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:21:00] <blackflow> right so I was wrong about multiple transports (one per hop), one, say "smtpwrap" suffices, and then use that in transport:nexthop result for transport maps. TIL.[17:24:50] *** irdr <irdr!~irdr@bzq-109-65-3-226.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:35:51] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:36:15] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has joined #postfix[17:40:52] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[17:44:39] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:48:31] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[17:53:01] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@pD95DA047.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[17:55:09] <eugenmayer> when setting smtp_sasl_security_options=noanonymous globaly, no connection to a remote relay host could be done, it it is unauthenticated, right?[17:58:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@136-42-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[17:59:16] *** Emil <Emil!emil@emil.fi> has joined #postfix[17:59:18] *** Emil <Emil!emil@emil.fi> has left #postfix[17:59:52] *** Alina-malina <Alina-malina!~Alina-mal@unaffiliated/alina-malina> has joined #postfix[18:00:40] <Alina-malina> any guide on correctly sending emails and stuff like that? I am strugling and feeling broken about not being able to figure out all the errors and not sure if my emails reach destination and i get bucn hf 451 erorrs and stuff like that[18:00:40] <Alina-malina> eh[18:02:05] <double-p> postfix sends emails correctly per se..[18:03:13] <Alina-malina> well i get errors in error log[18:03:26] <Alina-malina> like the remove systems rejecting[18:03:31] <Alina-malina> to recieve those e-mails[18:03:41] <thumbs> !tell Alina-malina welcome[18:03:41] <knoba> Alina-malina: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![18:04:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@136-42-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:04:19] <eugenmayer> rob0: does one need a "sender_relay" defintion at all, when having a transport mapping already?[18:04:27] <double-p> Alina-malina: 451 might be an "error" on the remote side anyway (e.g. greylisting)[18:05:13] <thumbs> Alina-malina: what version of postfix are you using?[18:05:15] <Alina-malina> i dont know, i feel broken[18:05:27] <Alina-malina> ummm actually i use not that sendmail command[18:05:33] <Alina-malina> to send the list[18:06:03] <thumbs> Alina-malina: so you don't use postfix at all?[18:06:17] <Alina-malina> i pass some headers like utf-8 and stuff like that, but i am not sure i that is necessary or if i am doing anything correct, i am lost...[18:06:33] <thumbs> Alina-malina: what version of postfix are you using?[18:06:50] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:07:08] <Alina-malina> postfix[18:07:28] <thumbs> Alina-malina: if you're not using postfix, you're in the wrong channel. Also, there is no `postfix` binary.[18:07:41] <Alina-malina> i hear about it first time[18:09:00] <Alina-malina> is there any general chat for thing like this? I am not sure what to do, i apready configured that SPF thing TLS and 1. my emails still go to gmail spam folder, and 2) yandex really not want to accept my emails, probably that greylisting thing, i really dont know what way to go....[18:09:26] <Alina-malina> its like trolling everywhere like dont forget to subscribe and things like this come on the first place, but when they subscribe you cant even reach them to say Merery Christmas damn it[18:09:49] <eugenmayer> Alina-malina: i guess for general questions, google read those concepts and finally, maybe post a question (specific one) on stackoverflow[18:10:07] <thumbs> Alina-malina: ##email for general email questions.[18:10:12] <thumbs> Alina-malina: as said in another channel.[18:10:20] <Alina-malina> are you on exim thumbs ?[18:10:33] <thumbs> Alina-malina: no.[18:10:42] <thumbs> Alina-malina: the folks in #exim are.[18:10:53] <Alina-malina> they are passive though[18:11:25] <thumbs> Alina-malina: not my problem.[18:11:56] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:13:28] <Alina-malina> ok, i guess i need a good log parser and explanations in general, that room emails seems to be abandoned as well[18:13:34] <Alina-malina> anyways thanks for trying to help thumbs[18:13:39] <Alina-malina> eugenmayer, thanks[18:13:45] <Alina-malina> double-p, ^[18:19:24] <double-p> Alina-malina: is 'postconf -n' listing anything? if not - it's not postfix around :)[18:19:28] *** mimi89999 <mimi89999!~mimi89999@89-72-190-170.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #postfix[18:19:48] <mimi89999> Hello[18:20:00] <Alina-malina> double-p, -bash: postconf: command not found[18:20:30] <mimi89999> How can I prevent users on my server from impersonating other users on my server?[18:21:03] <double-p> Alina-malina: well.[18:23:31] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[18:23:48] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:23:48] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[18:33:47] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-133-248-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:37:28] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-254-131.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[18:37:57] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has joined #postfix[18:41:52] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[18:45:13] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:45:29] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[18:45:32] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-254-131.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:46:27] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[18:47:56] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[18:48:19] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.206> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:49:16] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.209> has joined #postfix[18:50:51] <tuxick> mimi89999: block their accounts[18:51:26] <eugenmayer> rob0: i followed your advice and created https://dpaste.de/pozB .. but i know get https://dpaste.de/g67c[18:53:00] <eugenmayer> did i misunderstood something?[18:55:45] <double-p> for kinds this is funny[18:56:25] <rob0> look at line 18[18:56:39] <rob0> !smtpd!=smtp[18:56:39] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd!=smtp" : Postfix smtpd_* and smtp_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtpd_ = server and smtp_ = client, the server-side receives mail whilst the client-side sends mail. (smtpd = server = receives mail) (smtp = client = sends mail)[18:56:57] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:57:50] <rob0> 18 was the line I told you to copy[18:57:53] <eugenmayer> rob0: this was actually part of the dist master.cf[18:57:59] <tuxick> mimi89999: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38577868/postfix-check-the-from-address-field-matches-the-authenticated-username-or-other[18:58:03] <eugenmayer> i'll recheck.[18:58:27] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has joined #postfix[18:58:29] <rob0> and read that factoid I called up, smtpd!=smtp[18:59:02] <eugenmayer> smptd is for the incoming part, i actually got that already[18:59:24] <rob0> no you did not[18:59:48] <rob0> you created new smtpd instances when you meant to create new smtp transports[19:00:33] <eugenmayer> damn i just saw that ..[19:00:57] <eugenmayer> that was by accident / copy and paste (see the other, smpt is used there)[19:01:10] <rob0> smtpd options do not work on smtp(8)[19:01:22] <eugenmayer> sure sure.[19:01:47] <eugenmayer> Hard fight for me to see all those details but well there is no other way then to learn that. No doubt[19:03:21] <eugenmayer> rob0: a follow up / interest question. I cannot see a smtpd configuration in the master.cf at all (dist master.cf) but still a smtpd server is "open", how is that defined?[19:03:53] <eugenmayer> https://dpaste.de/9uqf that is the actual dist master.cf[19:03:54] <mimi89999> tuxick: Thanks. Found it. Now I need an easy way to make it accept the login or an alias.[19:04:46] <rob0> it's usually the first non-commented line[19:05:53] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:06:45] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:07:11] <eugenmayer> so that is "the one" one configures with the "main.cnf" ?[19:07:56] <eugenmayer> rob0: still the same issue, maybe i mistunderstood you or what you have been pointing at. i have this now: https://dpaste.de/Ncsa[19:08:20] <eugenmayer> wait the start command is still smtpd[19:08:32] <eugenmayer> is that what you have been refering too i guess.[19:09:03] <eugenmayer> hmm but how is that[19:09:03] <eugenmayer> #submission inet n - y - - smtpd[19:09:11] <eugenmayer> is a smptd too? ( cmd )[19:11:20] <eugenmayer> do i rather need to enter them in /etc/services ?[19:13:28] <rob0> see "man 5 master" or master.5.html for documentation of the format of master.cf ... also the comments in the original file cover some of this[19:20:21] <eugenmayer> what an extreme effort for such a simple setup. Wow.[19:21:25] <rob0> no, it is not simple at all, very few sites need client AUTH on submissions/wrappermode.[19:21:39] <rob0> I have never done it, doubt I ever would.[19:22:55] <eugenmayer> You will see it more and more, since Microservices become a little more spreaded[19:24:09] <eugenmayer> First people try to implement all the sending logic using some sort of smtp sdks and when they are fed up dealing with all the details and differences in a java/c#/php/ruby/node based smtp lib using the same tls/auth/port/domain/host touples, they will try to group the effort[19:25:10] <rob0> I am still not clear why this thing cannot invoke a different null client config per user.[19:25:21] <eugenmayer> configuring each microservice with it's on smarthost sendmail configuration is a good chunk of work too, considering the spreaded. configuration / filesystem[19:26:00] <eugenmayer> rob0: do i have to use smtp or smtp as command in the master.cf?[19:26:44] <eugenmayer> after adding those services i seem to not able to reach and smtpd over 25[19:28:12] *** irdr <irdr!~irdr@bzq-109-65-3-226.red.bezeqint.net> has joined #postfix[19:29:32] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[19:29:51] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:31:36] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[19:33:03] <eugenmayer> when i remove the custom transports it does work again, odd[19:37:26] <rob0> I didn't see a "postconf -Mf" with any custom transports[19:37:52] <rob0> I saw some incorrect smtpd instances, no transports[19:38:40] <rob0> smtp(8) is not smtpd(8)[19:38:41] <eugenmayer> rob0: well the issue was smtpanon, where i expected that the smpt connection will go to 25/tcp .. and added that in /etc/services .. overwriting smtp ...[19:39:04] <rob0> you did not create any transports'[19:39:05] <eugenmayer> i find it rather odd being in need to define an actual service in /etc/services for client side connections[19:39:24] <rob0> huh? Why did you get that idea?[19:39:57] <eugenmayer> if i do not define smtptls / smtpwrap .. and so on in /etc/services i get this "invalid service name" startup issue[19:40:10] <eugenmayer> rob0: -Mf https://dpaste.de/PCQK[19:40:17] <rob0> are you reading anything I write?[19:41:01] <rob0> ah, okay, there are transports[19:41:07] <rob0> err, no[19:41:40] <rob0> look at line 26 this time[19:42:00] <eugenmayer> lmtp?[19:42:09] <rob0> do you recall when I said to look at 18?[19:42:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@152.171.169.197> has joined #postfix[19:42:39] *** edux <edux!~edux@152.171.169.197> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:42:46] <rob0> 26 smtp unix - - y - - smtp[19:42:50] <rob0> look at line 26 this time[19:43:11] <eugenmayer> yes, what is with that? this is defined by debian by default[19:43:13] <blackflow> duplicates, y0[19:43:15] <rob0> go over EACH part of that[19:43:21] <rob0> and UNDERSTAND[19:43:25] <rob0> or not[19:43:48] <eugenmayer> what is that a dublicate off?[19:44:05] <eugenmayer> that is a socket defintion, while the upport is a TCP/inet one[19:44:17] <rob0> go back to "man 5 master" and see about the difference between inet and unix[19:44:36] *** Twanny_ <Twanny_!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has joined #postfix[19:44:38] <rob0> smtp(8) is not smtpd(8)[19:44:54] <rob0> sntp=unix=client[19:45:15] <rob0> smtpd=inet=server[19:45:26] <eugenmayer> arg, ok. I understand[19:45:39] <eugenmayer> that also explains the above ( /etc/services )[19:45:49] <rob0> that was why I specifically pointed you to line 18 some time back[19:46:01] <rob0> it's "unix"[19:46:46] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[19:47:05] <lunaphyte> this is unix! i know this![19:47:34] *** twanny796 <twanny796!~Twanny@antazzo.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:49:38] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:51:09] <eugenmayer> rob0[19:51:09] <eugenmayer> 18:56[19:51:09] <eugenmayer> look at line 18[19:51:09] <eugenmayer> 18:56[19:51:09] <eugenmayer> !smtpd!=smtp[19:51:10] <knoba> eugenmayer: "smtpd!=smtp" : Postfix smtpd_* and smtp_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtpd_ = server and smtp_ = client, the server-side receives mail whilst the client-side sends mail. (smtpd = server = receives mail) (smtp = client = sends mail)[19:51:32] <eugenmayer> that was what you said, and i picked up the wrong defintion of o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt[19:52:23] <eugenmayer> i mean you let me guess, which is ok, but i guess, that is what happens then. You should not think one is not trying. I did not ignore what you said there - more or less there have been to issues at the same place[19:52:56] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.209> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:53:01] <eugenmayer> thank you for helping to sort hat out, guess that one looks better now: https://dpaste.de/HYKt[19:56:55] <lunaphyte> i would set smtp_sasl_security_options=noanonymous globally. it doesn't need to be individually specified for master.cf services[19:58:05] <lunaphyte> you also don't need smtp_tls_wrappermode defined for both services. only the one that deviates from the global setting[19:59:14] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: so everything in main.cnf goes for all of the transports?[19:59:35] <eugenmayer> and the options in master.cnf can overturn/override them[19:59:40] <eugenmayer> is that about right?[19:59:41] <rob0> unless overridden[19:59:41] <rob0> and it's main.cf[19:59:53] <rob0> little details matter[20:00:35] <eugenmayer> lunaphyte: so you would set smtp_sasl_security_options=noanonymous and for the "smtpanon" you would remove that using smtp_sasl_security_options= as an option flag, and so on[20:00:48] <lunaphyte> eugenmayer: main.cf is where you define global overrides of default settings[20:01:28] <lunaphyte> postfix has default settings for everything. any global customizations/deviations from those defaults is done in main.cf[20:02:05] <lunaphyte> then, any per service overrides of global settings are done per service, in master.cf[20:02:40] <lunaphyte> it's sometimes odd to some people, but master.cf is really the main config.[20:08:16] <eugenmayer> thank you, i adjusted that. Building it right now. I had an issue sending to strato again though ( using tls + wrap ) on 465. https://dpaste.de/Wa32[20:08:39] <eugenmayer> ah sorry, transport is : noreply at <censored> dot de smtptlswrap:smtp.strato.de:465[20:08:54] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-143-199-121.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has joined #postfix[20:09:17] <eugenmayer> what i do not get is, i have wrap enabled on that transport, also encrypt[20:10:18] <eugenmayer> is there a way to make it visible in the logs, which transport has been picked up effectivly?[20:10:45] <lunaphyte> postfix already does that[20:10:45] <eugenmayer> or does postfix/smtp[289] indicate that it is the default smtp unix transport?[20:12:19] <rob0> !syslog_name[20:12:19] <knoba> rob0: "syslog_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The mail system name that is prepended to the process name in syslog records, so that "smtpd" becomes, for example, "postfix/smtpd".[20:12:21] <eugenmayer> so i guess may transport mapping ( LVALUE) is wrong. AFAIU in http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html it is allowed to pick the FQDN sender there, not only the domain. Did i missunderstand that?[20:12:32] <blackflow> I wonder if you need smtp_tls_policy_maps at all now, or you can do -o smtp_tls_security_level for the smtpwrap transport[20:12:42] <eugenmayer> blackflow: i have that[20:12:50] <rob0> " -o syslog_name=postfix/smtp/wrap"[20:13:19] <eugenmayer> blackflow: https://dpaste.de/dbFo[20:13:36] <eugenmayer> rob0: will add that to al of them[20:13:43] <blackflow> eugenmayer: yes, and that's what I'm wondering do you even need that now[20:14:30] <eugenmayer> yeah that was my question 2 hours ago but nobody answered that, so i assumed i keep until know[20:14:34] <eugenmayer> you think that could be the cause?[20:14:50] <blackflow> assuming all senders that map to a smtptlswrapper transport will do TLS, perhaps all you need for that service/transport is -o smtp_tls_security_level=encrypt[20:15:13] <eugenmayer> yes i do generate the transport specific to the protocol configured / port used[20:15:49] <eugenmayer> if port 465 i used, i use wrap + tls ( if tls / ssl has been configured ). if 587 i pick no wrap, in all other cases which have creds i pick normal smtp, if no creds given i pick smptanon[20:15:51] <blackflow> and you use sender_dependent_relayhost_map to associate senders with specific transports, correct?[20:16:20] <eugenmayer> https://dpaste.de/Wa32#L71[20:16:28] <eugenmayer> it should be all in that paste ( i hope )[20:16:42] <blackflow> ooh vim powerline :)[20:17:47] <blackflow> right so that line #7. I wondered if that was sufficient and so you don't need the smtp_tls_policy_maps any more, since they will _all_ have the same setting (I'm assuming)[20:18:20] <eugenmayer> well let me try that i guess[20:19:34] <eugenmayer> rob0: https://dpaste.de/5tEC[20:20:14] <eugenmayer> i used your systlog_name adjusment and looking at the logs, it seems still postfix/smtp is used now how it woudl be expected postfix/smtp/tls/wrap[20:20:31] <eugenmayer> so i guess that is an issue itself, before starting to remove the tls map[20:22:11] <eugenmayer> blackflow: removed tls map and endig up with the same: https://dpaste.de/H81K .. so i guess the transport mapping is not working for now[20:22:18] <blackflow> eugenmayer: can you pastebin the sender_dependent_relayhost_map?[20:22:30] <blackflow> eugenmayer: that was not a transport map[20:22:54] <eugenmayer> blackflow: wait a second, i got confused. Should i have removed the tls per site mapping or the sender relay hostmap?[20:23:20] <eugenmayer> blackflow: sender_relay is https://dpaste.de/DmC4[20:23:51] <eugenmayer> noreply at exmaple dot de is what is used as from everywhere and also in the transport map as the LVALUE, and also as 'from=noreply at exmaple dot de' in swaks[20:23:53] <blackflow> eugenmayer: smtp_tls_policy_maps is not a transport map, it's tls policy map[20:24:13] <eugenmayer> blackflow: yes, but i ask myself if that is at all needed with transport maps[20:25:19] <blackflow> eugenmayer: try adding "smtptlswrapper:" transport before smtp.strato.de:465[20:25:37] <blackflow> (don't forget to postmap the file)[20:25:53] <eugenmayer> done automatically with tiller here, but will do sure[20:26:30] <blackflow> and eh sorry, the name is smtptlswrap , looking at your previous paste[20:27:27] <eugenmayer> it worked[20:27:35] <eugenmayer> so i am _entirely_ confused[20:27:46] <eugenmayer> no transport map and sender_relay do look 100% the same.[20:27:50] <eugenmayer> s/no/now[20:28:20] <blackflow> what transport map?[20:28:28] <blackflow> ah line 86[20:28:30] <eugenmayer> blackflow: adding smtptlswrap to the sender_relay map fixed that .. but how does this all make sense now at all[20:28:55] <eugenmayer> yeah the contents of both file are 100% the same and (need to be the same) as it looks, but why is that?[20:29:02] <blackflow> what's in /etc/postfix/transport ?[20:29:28] <eugenmayer> the exact same line as in sender_relay now[20:29:38] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@www.schem.me> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[20:29:48] <eugenmayer> https://dpaste.de/dA6m[20:29:59] <blackflow> yes but previously you were overriding it with a transport that did NOT specify "smtptlswrap", because it implied "smtp"[20:30:15] <eugenmayer> yes but that just makes zero sense to me[20:30:40] <eugenmayer> if i pick a transport in sender_relay (or HAVE to pick, otherwise it implies smtp) what is transport_map for at all[20:30:46] <blackflow> waitaminute the two settings do NOT mean the same thing. transport_map is mapping recipients, sender_Dependent_.... is mapping senders[20:31:21] <eugenmayer> it has the exact same LVALUE power and the same RVALUE[20:31:29] <blackflow> if I understand your use case, you don't need to map recipients, but senders, to particular transports.[20:31:36] <eugenmayer> exactly[20:31:44] <blackflow> it has the same because you wrote it that way. transport_map maps recipients to transports, not senders.[20:31:50] <blackflow> so I'm guessing you don't need transport_map at all[20:31:59] <eugenmayer> if sender is foo@bar .. use transport A, if its bar@foo, use B .. and so on[20:32:13] <eugenmayer> i need it, i just removed transport_map and it does no longer send.[20:32:16] <blackflow> "if sender" then sender_dependent_.... is applicable[20:32:50] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@mail.schem.me> has joined #postfix[20:32:54] <blackflow> are you using correct senders? mail-from aka return-path (not From:)[20:32:55] <eugenmayer> 2018-12-18T19:29:54.704838+00:00 4f3cfb7a8565 postfix/error[2696]: A5D13107C1A: to=<dest@some-domain>, relay=none, delay=1, delays=0.01/1/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (unknown mail transport error)[20:33:10] <eugenmayer> swaks —from[20:33:36] <eugenmayer> removing transport map, i get the above error[20:33:42] <blackflow> you need a default transport defined[20:34:39] <eugenmayer> well i guess it jsut does not find smpttlswrap[20:34:57] <eugenmayer> if it is not part of transportwrap ( if smtptlswrap is used in sender_relay )[20:35:39] <eugenmayer> but looking at the logs, i never have seen postfix/smtp/tls/wrap at all .. the syslog name is never used .. maybe the transport does never match at all?[20:35:44] *** mimi89999 <mimi89999!~mimi89999@89-72-190-170.dynamic.chello.pl> has left #postfix ("offline")[20:37:01] <blackflow> that is possible yes.[20:37:27] <blackflow> so are you sure the sender is correct (the one specified int he relayhost map?)[20:37:33] <eugenmayer> 100% sure, verified[20:37:47] <eugenmayer> if i pick anything else, it will not get send. I verify once again[20:38:01] <eugenmayer> blackflow: can i pm you?[20:38:12] <eugenmayer> (with the particlar uncensored lines)[20:38:23] <blackflow> eugenmayer: k[20:41:50] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.206> has joined #postfix[20:58:01] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.170.121.37> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:59:16] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@185.57.82.28> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:08:56] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-143-199-121.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:09:15] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has quit IRC (Quit: ntd)[21:11:38] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-143-199-121.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has joined #postfix[21:12:25] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:12:48] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@185.57.82.28> has joined #postfix[21:17:19] *** rob <rob!~rob@86.85.38.53> has joined #postfix[21:17:42] *** rob is now known as Guest94474[21:31:52] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #postfix[21:47:54] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:52:17] *** alexandre9099 <alexandre9099!~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:14:36] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@191.30.0.202> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:18:19] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:30:38] *** alexandre9099 <alexandre9099!~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099> has joined #postfix[22:32:07] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has joined #postfix[22:38:10] *** alexandre9099 <alexandre9099!~alexandre@unaffiliated/alexandre9099> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:42:21] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has joined #postfix[22:50:42] *** oscurochu <oscurochu!~Adium@97-122-100-112.hlrn.qwest.net> has left #postfix[22:53:14] *** eugenmayer <eugenmayer!~Adium@pD95DA047.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:58:51] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:05:58] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side!)[23:14:57] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:15:16] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[23:24:21] *** TheFatherMind- <TheFatherMind-!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[23:26:42] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:31:11] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:31:32] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has quit IRC (Quit: ntd)[23:32:04] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[23:38:34] *** TheFatherMind- is now known as TheFatherMind