December 12, 2018 
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<olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[06:57:04] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[06:58:49] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has joined #postfix[07:04:38] *** Goop <Goop!~Goop@s1.eliter.space> has joined #postfix[07:05:08] <Goop> Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, but is Maildir the format that has the three directories--"new", "cur" and "temp"?[07:07:25] <double-p> yes[07:09:05] *** jalalsfs_ is now known as jalalsfs[07:09:38] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-35-108.xnet.hr> has joined #postfix[07:09:44] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:11:28] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:12:20] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[07:18:30] *** TheL0singEdge 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<graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[08:26:12] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:29:48] *** Dat <Dat!dat@unaffiliated/dat> has joined #postfix[08:30:09] <Dat> Error: net_connect_unix(/var/run/dovecot/stats-writer) failed: Permissio)) <-- what permissions do need for this?[08:45:48] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@70.70.100.95> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:48:04] *** PEG <PEG!c33c4494@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.60.68.148> has joined #postfix[08:58:31] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[09:00:37] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has joined #postfix[09:11:04] *** cryptic <cryptic!~cryptic@142.196.139.17> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:27:18] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[09:29:30] *** led_dark_1 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error you get from postfix?[11:55:43] <tuxick> trick question :)[12:43:27] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:57:10] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.170.121.37> has joined #postfix[13:02:31] *** ahenrique <ahenrique!~ahenrique@200.219.132.106> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:02:54] *** ahenrique <ahenrique!~ahenrique@200.219.132.106> has joined #postfix[13:07:24] *** plantroon <plantroon!~plantroon@91.236.69.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:08:21] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #postfix[13:10:28] *** mezgani <mezgani!~Justice4A@41.249.25.125> has joined #postfix[13:18:28] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-172-62-155.mycingular.net> has joined #postfix[13:37:22] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[13:48:35] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@191.36.239.241> has joined #postfix[13:48:38] *** robinho86 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Please allow me short question. I use the following cmd line to create the RSA based cert and key for postfix (TLS)[15:43:52] <ironm> openssl req -new -x509 -days 3650 -nodes -out /etc/ssl/certs/postfix.pem -keyout /etc/ssl/private/postfix.pem[15:45:34] <ironm> What is the recommended way to create such files for dsa and ecdsa (ed25519)?[15:45:49] <lunaphyte> ironm: that's not a postfix question. try #openssl[15:47:05] <ironm> lunaphyte, somehow it is true even it is postfix related, thank you[15:47:22] <lunaphyte> yes, lots of things are "related"[15:48:27] <rob0> Look at the "quick and dirty" section of[15:48:39] <rob0> !tls[15:48:39] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[15:48:56] <rob0> bah, we need to change that[15:53:14] <ironm> rob0, thanks a lot. I read it already for few days[15:53:19] <ironm> !paste[15:53:19] <knoba> ironm: "paste" : A pastebin is a way to share larger amounts of data with others, without flooding the channel with garbage. You can find pastebins at http://paste.debian.net, http://apaste.info and various other sites. Please avoid using pastebins with active content or intrusive ads such as pastebin.com. Remember to share the URL of the resulting paste in channel.[15:56:06] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:56:24] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[15:56:41] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-254-66.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[16:06:54] <ironm> probably when I want to keep the cert and key files separated the following part of the main.cf should fit what I want to achieve according to TLS documentation of postfix - http://paste.debian.net/1055514/[16:09:55] <lunaphyte> does it work?[16:11:46] <ironm> the part for RSA worked for my old postfix configuration[16:12:31] <ironm> As I still didn't create DSA and ECDSA keys/certs I didn't check for them[16:13:00] <lunaphyte> well, if it doesn't work, then we can try to help[16:13:48] <rob0> no ... we cannot ... we must not![16:14:21] <GNU\colossus> Smeagol always helps![16:14:27] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[16:15:19] <ironm> lunaphyte, thank you. I mean that examples how to create the particular certs and keys (RSA/DSA/ECDSA) would save a lot of postfix people time trying to figure out how to do it[16:15:45] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean[16:16:04] <lunaphyte> that's why rob0 directed you to tls_readme[16:16:29] <lunaphyte> that is where you can find instructions and examples of how to use the software[16:16:44] <lunaphyte> man 5 postconf contains these examples you mention as well[16:16:59] <rob0> suggest it to Viktor if what he has in TLS_README [4~ adequateis not[16:17:14] <rob0> grr, this lag sucks[16:19:10] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:20:24] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[16:20:44] <ironm> lunaphyte, I did it. In the "quick and dirty" section there is an example for RSA[16:20:48] <ironm> % (umask 077; openssl req -new -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout foo-key.pem -out foo-req.pem)[16:21:10] <ironm> what would help would be examples for DSA and ECDSA[16:21:23] <lunaphyte> i would not want that[16:21:32] <ironm> why ?[16:21:35] <lunaphyte> postfix documentation is for postfix[16:21:56] <lunaphyte> littering it with exhaustive examples of how to use related software makes it more difficult to use[16:22:08] <lunaphyte> a few assorted examples is ok.[16:22:18] <lunaphyte> comprehensive detail on every permutation is not[16:22:23] <ironm> so you should remove the example for RSA ;-)[16:22:41] <lunaphyte> i do not want the author of the software spending time documenting how to use other software. i want them spending time making their software better[16:23:07] <lunaphyte> like i said...[16:23:08] <lunaphyte> [10.22.08] lunaphyte: a few assorted examples is ok.[16:23:08] <lunaphyte> [10.22.17] lunaphyte: comprehensive detail on every permutation is not[16:23:31] <lunaphyte> you are trying to avoid investing time in learning how to use openssl[16:23:42] <lunaphyte> it is not the responsibility of postfix to help you do that[16:24:29] <lunaphyte> and it is certainly not the burden of everyone else using the documentation to have to suffer through endless examples of how to do things with other software just because one person can't be bothered to get help and learn from the right place[16:26:52] <ironm> lunaphyte, when there would be openssl examples how to create certs and keys for DSA / ECDSA for the usage with postfix I would not ask here for them here[16:27:19] <ironm> s/ here$//[16:27:39] <lunaphyte> if you want examples of how to use openssl, consult with the openssl community[16:27:49] <lunaphyte> postfix is generous and supplies one, to get you started[16:28:26] <ironm> I did (openssl) but didn't get any answer yet[16:28:39] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:28:44] <lunaphyte> ah, good[16:28:48] <rob0> again, see what Viktor says, which I suspect will be similar to what lunaphyte said.[16:28:55] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[16:30:33] <lunaphyte> perhaps consulting their web site will give you some ideas on where to get support[16:32:03] <ironm> lunaphyte, as a software developer you can write any stuff, what is mostly useless for other people without easy to follow documentation[16:32:24] <lunaphyte> it's time to stop arguing[16:32:42] <lunaphyte> you want the documentation changed, submit a patch, and see if it is accepted[16:32:44] <lunaphyte> over and out[16:32:55] <ironm> lunaphyte, anyway, thank you very much for you hints[16:48:27] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:b085:b7b8:db4:36f4> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:49:07] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:fce5:5868:d153:ee3e> has joined #postfix[16:53:05] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[17:20:24] <ironm> probably it would help postfix users to add the following line to the TLS part of postfix documentation:[17:20:28] <ironm> openssl req -x509 -sha512 -newkey ec -pkeyopt ec_paramgen_curve:x25519 -days 350 -nodes -keyout server.key -out server.cer[17:25:00] <double-p> which needs a "capable" openssl in first place..[17:25:15] <lunaphyte> it would be distracting, i wouldn't want that[17:27:59] <ironm> well, there could be another example for EC[17:29:25] <lunaphyte> no thanks[17:30:10] <lunaphyte> once i have a simple example to get started, i can read the documentation for the other software to see what needs to be done[17:30:32] <lunaphyte> perhaps you are confusing product documentation with things like books and other material[17:30:47] <lunaphyte> let's close this topic please, it's not productive[17:33:10] <ironm> ok, thank you again[17:33:36] <ironm> thank you double-p[17:51:19] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@unaffiliated/ucio> has quit IRC (Quit: ...)[18:01:56] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:02:21] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has quit IRC (Quit: emerge life)[18:07:20] *** shadowm22 <shadowm22!~shadowm@i125-202-207-71.s42.a004.ap.plala.or.jp> has joined #postfix[18:07:34] *** shadowm22 <shadowm22!~shadowm@i125-202-207-71.s42.a004.ap.plala.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:11:26] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@ip5f59780d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - 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What you might do: a virtual alias of "x at y dot z someuser@localhost" ("localhost" in mydestination, "someuser" being a valid system user.)[18:38:55] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:39:44] <rob0> Then if you don't like the default delivery to mbox in mail_spool_directory, muck around with ~someuser/.forward to deliver it where you want.[18:40:08] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[18:40:28] <rob0> someuser must have write privilege there, of course[18:45:09] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[18:47:15] <lunaphyte> a transport_maps entry with a destination of a pipe(8) service would be an option as well[18:49:21] <stevenm> ah i should probably fix my question, i said 'don't just forward it on'[18:49:55] <stevenm> essentially this thing at the moments just take all non-SSL smtp submission mail sent to it - and gives it to office 365 (boo, i know, but - it's a company thing)[18:50:12] <stevenm> but if sent to x at y dot z - *instead* of doing that - dump it out as a file[18:50:32] <stevenm> as I have another proggy (smstools) which watches for text files - and sends them as SMS messages :)[18:50:49] <stevenm> would aliases really be observed in this role?[18:51:10] <stevenm> this is the option "Internet with smarthost" when installing postfix on debian[18:56:09] *** Tykling <Tykling!tykling@znc.tyknet.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: quit)[18:57:00] <lunaphyte> is there a question in there somewhere?[18:57:21] <lunaphyte> other than "would aliases really be observed in this role?", which doesn't really make sense[18:58:03] <lunaphyte> virtual_alias_maps is a configuration parameter. if it's configured, it's "observed"[18:58:26] <double-p> lunaphyte: picky today? :)[18:58:35] <lunaphyte> hmm?[18:59:01] <double-p> ewps.. client synced late[19:01:19] <double-p> lunaphyte: just had the 'question' line w/o context.[19:05:27] *** ]SiB[ 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