December 11, 2018 
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December 11, 2018 [00:00:48] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:01:58] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[00:02:29] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has joined #postfix[00:08:26] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:15:43] *** gtenney_ <gtenney_!~gtenney@209.210.202.44> has joined #postfix[00:19:07] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@209.210.202.44> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:22:07] *** gtenney_ <gtenney_!~gtenney@209.210.202.44> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:22:51] <rob0> suggestions, what do you mean? You mean you want to know what that means? 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connection)[09:11:40] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[09:13:54] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[09:22:19] *** tenaglia <tenaglia!~jack@pb-d-128-141-210-81.cern.ch> has joined #postfix[09:29:46] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:30:14] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[09:30:38] *** synapt is now known as nate[09:31:07] *** jalalsfs_ is now known as jalalsfs[09:31:37] <murii> rob0: though I cannot see it in alpine or mutt[09:33:16] *** jimby <jimby!~Jim@2607:fc50:1000:10::8f> has joined #postfix[09:36:43] <tuxick> stats on my spamfilter show that rejecting invalid helo is most effective filter by far[09:45:03] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:48:09] <tuxick> with very very few false positives[10:02:47] <murii> tuxick: so I should look into configuring helo?[10:02:56] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[10:03:10] <tuxick> no[10:05:35] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #postfix[10:17:49] *** colinjmatt <colinjmatt!~colinjmat@matthews-co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye for now.)[10:25:16] <murii> then? I can't be the only person here who gets his emails but cannot see'em[10:26:31] <murii> I also cannot send emails to gmail. It tries to connect to the smtp server of google but it says it's unreachable and after some time the connextion expires and I get time out[10:27:10] <murii> connection*[10:28:09] <blackflow> murii: "status=sent (delivered to maildir)" can you pastebin your postfix config please? postconf -n[10:29:50] *** TheL0singEdge <TheL0singEdge!~TheL0sing@unaffiliated/thel0singedge> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:31:28] *** TheL0singEdge <TheL0singEdge!~TheL0sing@unaffiliated/thel0singedge> has joined #postfix[10:47:33] *** bipolar <bipolar!~bipolar@offsite.guru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[10:51:50] *** bipolar <bipolar!~bipolar@offsite.guru> has joined #postfix[10:52:08] <murii> blackflow: sure, thanks for trying to help[10:52:40] <murii> blackflow: http://tildesquad.ddns.net:3005/?06170cb433a23ec0#Chtjm3yhkORyNSZOVvnTaBLhIM2gYtW3ut7VSG6N7wY=[10:54:15] <blackflow> murii: the link doesn't work[10:55:35] <murii> well,that's weird[10:55:39] <murii> one sec[10:55:52] <murii> https://hastebin.com/ofohakudop.ini[10:55:55] <murii> blackflow: ^[10:55:56] <jimpop> murii: is 90.95.168.249 your IP ?[10:56:10] <murii> perhaps[10:56:12] <murii> ;)[10:56:44] <jimpop> you gain nothing by hiding things from the people in this channel, other than delays in their helping you. ;-)[10:56:44] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:56:59] <murii> that's my ip[10:57:13] <jimpop> that IP is listed by spamhaus, so you probably won't be able to send email from that IP[10:57:24] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[10:57:26] <jimpop> specifically, it's in the PBL[10:57:37] <murii> you lost me[10:57:52] <murii> that applies to all services? yahoo,gmail etc?[10:57:55] <blackflow> and also being that the link above doesn't work, looks like you have broken config of your ddns setup[10:57:57] <jimpop> which means that in order for you to send email you have to first authenticate with your ISPs mail servers[10:57:59] <murii> is there something I can do about it?[10:58:29] <jimpop> https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/[10:58:29] <murii> I just tested that link from my work machine and it works[10:59:17] <blackflow> murii: there's no A record for tildesquad.ddns.net[10:59:33] <jimpop> yes there is[10:59:43] <jimpop> it's 90.95.168.249[10:59:52] <blackflow> there wasn't a minute ago[11:00:10] <jimpop> there is no AAAA RR from my vantage point[11:00:10] <blackflow> and look, TTL 60. so yeah. likely there wasn't a minute ago.[11:00:49] <jimpop> ddns is also some dynamic foo that I've never fully understood.[11:01:55] <murii> try pinging tildesquad.ddns.net and you should get back info[11:02:03] <jimpop> murii: earlier you posted that you received an email but could not find the email in mutt or alpine. Did you get that resolved?[11:02:16] <murii> I have not[11:02:18] <blackflow> well, there's a problem with tildesquad.ddns.net again. if I run a trace I see the IP. when I flush my cache and run a regular query, I get back an empty A record.[11:02:42] <blackflow> (dig +trace I mean, for full root lookup)[11:03:21] <murii> what query?[11:03:32] <blackflow> dig tildesquad.ddns.net A[11:03:58] <jimpop> murii: look in ~/Maildir/ do you see 2 folders named "new" and "cur" ?[11:03:58] <murii> I got a record[11:04:31] <murii> yes[11:04:38] <murii> and inside "new" I have data[11:04:40] <blackflow> murii: also your SOA is invalid, it should be a valid email address[11:04:46] <blackflow> wihtout @ but . instead of it[11:05:03] <murii> blackflow: hm?[11:05:22] <blackflow> which part is confusing :)[11:05:30] <murii> SOA[11:05:34] <jimpop> murii: ok, that is most likely the mail that you recieved from gmail. You probably have a config issue with mutt/alpine being able to locate ~/Maildir/[11:06:07] <jimpop> murii: you should ask in #mutt for their assistance in debugging that[11:06:26] <murii> from what I read alpine doesn't support Maildir/[11:06:28] <murii> but mutt does[11:06:46] <murii> I will do that then, jimpop.[11:06:53] <murii> What about the other problems you guys mentioned[11:07:11] <jimpop> blackflow: i don't think that murii controls ddns.net (that is a 3rd party service that provides dynamic DNS)[11:07:20] <murii> yes ^[11:07:29] <murii> I got it from no-ip.com[11:07:40] <murii> dynamic ddns provider[11:08:23] <blackflow> indeed. an ddns.net. SOA points to localhost and root.localhost as rname[11:08:27] <blackflow> *adn[11:08:33] <blackflow> ohfukit.... *and[11:08:50] <jimpop> murii: make sure you read the #mutt chanel /topic and follow their instructions. They are picky over there. ;-)[11:09:25] <murii> like almost everone on IRC[11:09:31] <jimpop> :-0[11:09:38] <murii> heh[11:10:11] <murii> so,after all, are you able to access the first link I send with the postfix -n conf?[11:10:21] <jimpop> i was[11:10:35] <murii> ok,good[11:11:10] <jimpop> your log msg shows that the email was recieved, so your config works at least partially[11:11:32] <blackflow> oh I found the reason why I don't see ddns.net responses. that domain/zone is blacklisted on our edge resolvers.[11:11:51] <jimpop> :-) nice[11:11:51] <blackflow> yeah... combined with that being blacklisted too.... good luck with all that :)[11:12:03] <murii> lol[11:12:20] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:12:23] <murii> well, I want it mainly for getting messages not really sending any[11:13:15] <jimpop> the existence of data files in ~/Maildir/new/ shows that it is working somwwhat[11:13:53] <blackflow> I'd say fully. postfix delivers to the maildir, and job's done.[11:14:48] <jimpop> there's a potential problem in the virtual domain config, but that's too much for me to get involved with before coffee time[11:15:09] *** mejo <mejo!~mejo@debian/developer/mejo> has joined #postfix[11:15:14] <mejo> hello[11:15:58] <murii> I guess that's what happens when I randomly decide I want to have my own server for everything[11:16:00] <mejo> I try to override the default transports for one particular address.[11:16:28] <mejo> isn't it that /etc/postfix/transport overrides every other transport?[11:16:30] <jimpop> murii: it's a good thing to learn with[11:16:48] <murii> won't argue[11:17:22] <mejo> I added 'bob at example dot org :submx.example.org' to the transport and ran `postconf transport`. still, mails to bob at example dot org get rejected with "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table"[11:17:32] <blackflow> murii: btw, fyi ddns.net is part of some cryptocoin malware dispatching domains blacklists[11:17:51] <murii> wow,that's even better[11:17:54] <murii> :\[11:18:01] <blackflow> (domains that include javascript and other cryptominers in various javascript and other content they serve)[11:19:06] <blackflow> yeah went to investigate why we blacklist it. turns out it served some javascript malware. being a ddns service, that's not unreasonable :) I'd recommend you get a (very) cheap VPS and turn it into your WAN/LAN gateway.[11:19:29] <jimpop> ^^ +1[11:19:46] * jimpop scurries off to find coffee[11:20:23] <murii> thought about that too but then I said to myself it's fine. Now that you tell me about all this malware stuff it's a bit different[11:21:05] <murii> first I have to get my email working then I'll see, I want it be used mainly by me and max 2-3 other guys who have access because I told them[11:21:10] <murii> nothing more[11:22:18] <blackflow> if you want your mail delivered to gmail and most of commercial providers, you do NOT want your IP or (r)dns being blacklisted.[11:22:41] <murii> makes sense,heh[11:23:15] <murii> my IP may change so the only option left is dns to not be blacklisted[11:23:18] <blackflow> and you'll need a rdns entry for your IP. the one listed above has none. that's like number #1 reason to get blocked[11:23:43] <blackflow> (at least by gmail, and eg. our MTAs will reject you during SMTP if you have no rdns)[11:24:17] <blackflow> mejo: can you please pastebin the output of postconf -n ?[11:24:30] <blackflow> !getting_help[11:24:30] <knoba> blackflow: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[11:25:46] <mejo> blackflow: will give transport_maps a try first, then I'll paste my postconf. thanks :)[11:26:15] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[11:26:52] <blackflow> mejo: that's why I asked, wanted to see if you have transport_maps defined, because that path might be typical but isn't a default in postfix.[11:28:39] <mejo> blackflow: no, I just tried /etc/postfix/transport, which I expected to be a default transport map. but that's not the case?[11:29:05] *** rob__ <rob__!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[11:29:32] <blackflow> transport_maps is empty by default if I'm not mistaken[11:29:40] <mejo> yep, it's empty in my case[11:30:01] <mejo> so I have to define `transport_maps = /etc/postfix/transport`, right?[11:30:19] <mejo> or is /etc/postfix/transport somehow used internally?[11:30:37] <mejo> apparently not. thanks for the hint :)[11:32:36] <blackflow> more like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport[11:33:19] <blackflow> (need to specify the table type, here a hash map)[11:34:06] <mejo> yep, doing this now:[11:34:26] <mejo> # postconf -n |grep transport[11:34:26] <mejo> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport[11:34:26] <mejo> virtual_transport = dovecot[11:35:03] <mejo> # cat /etc/postfix/transport[11:35:03] <mejo> test at example dot org :[submx.example.org][11:35:27] <mejo> still, mail to test at example dot org is rejected with "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table"[11:43:37] *** murii <murii!~murii@90.95.168.249> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[11:43:53] *** styx-tdo_ <styx-tdo_!~styx-tdo@193.104.1.238> has joined #postfix[11:44:10] *** Gazoo <Gazoo!~Gazoo@205.250.172.247> has joined #postfix[11:45:16] <styx-tdo_> hi, is there a way to send only SASL-authenticated messages to a specific smarthost? Postfix accepts mail on smtp and submission - submission is SASL-only, but smtp is open for all. i want to be able to send SASL-authenticated mails to my DKIM proxy residing on another server..[11:53:33] <blackflow> virtual_transport = dovecot? did you define that named transport somewhere?[11:53:37] <blackflow> mejo: ^^[11:54:06] <blackflow> and btw, I'd use LMTP, not dovecot-lda[12:03:16] *** colinjmatt <colinjmatt!~colinjmat@matthews-co.uk> has joined #postfix[12:18:21] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@179.187.95.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[12:31:34] *** ahenrique <ahenrique!~ahenrique@200.219.132.106> has joined #postfix[12:33:42] <mejo> blackflow: yep, I defined that transport and use it.[12:33:57] <mejo> but I would have expected the transport map to override the virtual_transport?[12:47:04] <mejo> my domain 'example.org' is listed in `virtual_mailbox_domains` apparently, that overrides the transport_maps directive?[12:49:11] <mejo> that seems to be exactly my problem: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29432375/postfix-transport-maps-and-virtual-mailbox[13:02:58] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[13:18:40] <blackflow> styx-tdo_: OTOH, you could use -o for submission service in master.cf to specify relayhost[13:20:11] <blackflow> mejo: can you put in a pastebin exactly what you're trying to do? which domains you're using as virtual, and for which addresses you want to use a specific transport[13:25:40] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-166-171-185-17.mycingular.net> has joined #postfix[13:33:49] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.170.121.37> has joined #postfix[14:06:52] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.246> has joined #postfix[14:17:12] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[14:33:53] *** treehug88 <treehug88!~textual@pool-98-113-184-194.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[14:49:59] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-133-248-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has joined #postfix[14:53:55] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[14:56:41] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[14:56:58] <styx-tdo_> blackflow, yes that works - but not for the SASL authenticated ones via smtp[14:58:26] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:01:45] <lunaphyte> what does "not for the SASL authenticated ones via smtp"?[15:01:58] <lunaphyte> smtp service should not be offering authentication[15:02:07] <lunaphyte> that's for submissions[s] service[15:04:47] <styx-tdo_> lunaphyte, i cannot make all users change to submission.. that would be the technically cleaner solution, but it is just not gonna happen[15:04:48] <blackflow> styx-tdo_: you should have smtpd_recipient_restrictions with permit_sasl_authenticated defined[15:05:21] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:05:31] <lunaphyte> styx-tdo_: i'm not sure why that wouldn't happen. people do it routinely.[15:05:38] <lunaphyte> yes, it may take a little time. that's ok[15:05:51] <lunaphyte> i've done it on multiple occasions, for quite large user bases[15:05:53] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[15:05:59] *** hadifarnoud <hadifarnoud!~textual@138.128.218.122.16clouds.com> has joined #postfix[15:06:00] <blackflow> oh I see now what you want.[15:06:12] <blackflow> yeah I'd definitely force them all to start using submission.[15:06:14] <lunaphyte> in an case, in the interim, a separate server can be run[15:06:27] <lunaphyte> one for mx service, another for submission[s] service[15:06:43] <lunaphyte> the submission server can accept submission improperly on port 25 for a period of time, during the transition[15:07:10] <blackflow> good idea, it's easier to separate out incoming MX[15:07:44] <lunaphyte> if the user base is large enough that switching users to submission[s] is a longer term thing, then you really should have separate mx and submission systems anyway[15:08:17] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side!)[15:12:20] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:15:06] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:16:31] *** hadifarnoud <hadifarnoud!~textual@138.128.218.122.16clouds.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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SMTP: The SASL authenticated messages -> Relayhost, the rest -> default rules[16:27:18] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side!)[16:30:29] <lunaphyte> why?[16:30:40] *** hadifarnoud <hadifarnoud!~textual@138.128.218.122.16clouds.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[16:42:49] <styx-tdo_> because i want to dkim-sign these mails[16:43:03] <styx-tdo_> and i want one server to handle signing of outgoing mail exclusively[16:43:28] <styx-tdo_> so i don't have to distribute the keys. the signing server is firewalled and not publically accessible[16:44:41] <lunaphyte> why do you only want to sign authenticated submissions?[16:45:17] <styx-tdo_> i.e. the frontend mail servers (postfix) accept mails for clients. The SASL-authenticated mails shall get relayed to the outbound server to get signed, all others will.. not be. in theory, there are only 2 classes of mails: authenticated and inbound mails.. but in this case.. legacy stuff uses the servers ,still. also something i cannot really control, sadly.[16:46:16] <styx-tdo_> and: when i do not sign non-authenticated senders (i.e. ip-based relays), the acceptance of these is going down - and i can force the senders to use authentication[16:47:39] <lunaphyte> so you are deliberately not signing ip authorized submissions, to coerce those to start using authentication?[16:48:10] <styx-tdo_> yep, that's basically what i want[16:48:30] <lunaphyte> ok[16:49:08] <styx-tdo_> at the current DMARC policy, it should not cause major issues, but it is something to push ppl to go the auth route...[16:49:13] <styx-tdo_> sounds weird?[16:49:21] <lunaphyte> no, not really[16:49:53] <lunaphyte> any effort to "encourage" people to act responsibly is not something i'd call weird[16:50:30] <Alver> Original idea at least[16:50:40] <Alver> "You can send mail, but I'll be damned if I sign them off"[16:51:18] <lunaphyte> you may need to do this based on envelope sender[16:52:24] <styx-tdo_> ?[16:53:39] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4-dev)[16:54:11] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has joined #postfix[16:58:38] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:00:22] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has joined #postfix[17:00:24] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:00:56] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has joined #postfix[17:15:02] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@197.17.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[17:25:56] <lunaphyte> ah, no.[17:26:27] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:27:06] <lunaphyte> you can use check_sasl_access, potentially, with a filter action in the access(5) map[17:28:56] <lunaphyte> you'd have to be careful with your smtpd restrictions if you do that, since it would require multiple[17:29:07] <lunaphyte> assuming you're using permit_sasl_authenticated[17:29:30] <lunaphyte> i always forget about check_sasl_access[17:29:43] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #postfix[17:36:50] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@2601:601:100:318a:64f9:8bc:5ebd:a06f> has joined #postfix[17:51:31] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[17:52:23] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[17:52:28] *** Teraii <Teraii!~teraii@vip-s1-l1.teraii.net> has quit IRC (Quit: %Ho Ishuudaa%)[17:52:39] *** Teraii <Teraii!~teraii@2001:470:caaf:1::93> has joined #postfix[17:56:36] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:59:24] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has joined #postfix[18:03:26] <styx-tdo_> ah cool - i just found the FILTER transport:destination in header_checks.5 ;)[18:03:31] <styx-tdo_> that sounds great ;)[18:03:47] <rob0> eww[18:04:01] <lunaphyte> header_checks? blech[18:04:12] <styx-tdo_> i said i _found_ it there[18:04:19] <lunaphyte> :)[18:04:40] <rob0> I missed the scrollback, but rarely is header_checks the right solution, and especially not when rerouting mail according to content.[18:05:05] <rob0> s/when/for/[18:05:08] <lunaphyte> it's in access(5), as i mentioned 35 minutes ago ;)[18:05:11] <styx-tdo_> content in this case is sasl-authenticated yes/no[18:05:28] <rob0> check_sasl_access sounds like the better way[18:06:36] <styx-tdo_> i wrote that i found documentation about Filter: in header_checks, that is all[18:07:46] <rob0> it's also in access(5)[18:08:53] <styx-tdo_> sounds like smtpd_client_restrictions[18:09:48] <lunaphyte> smtpd_*_restrictions, yes. not necessarily client though, no[18:09:55] <lunaphyte> [11.28.52] lunaphyte: you'd have to be careful with your smtpd restrictions if you do that, since it would require multiple[18:10:09] <styx-tdo_> client or relay, i think[18:10:25] <lunaphyte> it's going to be a combination[18:10:37] <lunaphyte> most likely of recipient and relay[18:10:56] <rob0> there is fundamentally little difference in any of the smtpd_*_restrictions[18:10:56] *** Gazoo <Gazoo!~Gazoo@205.250.172.247> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:12:39] <styx-tdo_> i have permit_sasl_authenticated in client, recipient and relay restrictions... :)[18:13:16] <rob0> you have made your resrtictions too complex[18:13:25] <styx-tdo_> well, possible[18:13:32] <styx-tdo_> likely, actually[18:14:04] <styx-tdo_> that is grown stuff.. that config file started sometimes in 2005[18:16:40] <lunaphyte> step one is to consolidate to just smtpd_receipient_restrictions[18:16:51] <lunaphyte> there's no need for others. they should be set to empty[18:19:14] *** computerquip23 <computerquip23!~computerq@103.51.177.194> has joined #postfix[18:19:29] *** computerquip23 <computerquip23!~computerq@103.51.177.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:19:33] *** Naglfar <Naglfar!~Severance@unaffiliated/naglfar> has joined #postfix[18:19:55] <Naglfar> hello[18:20:00] <Naglfar> I just noticed this:[18:20:08] <Naglfar> auth-worker: Error: *** Error in `dovecot/auth': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x54be1318 ***[18:22:14] <lunaphyte> Naglfar: that would be a question for #dovecot[18:22:31] <Naglfar> ok, thank you[18:24:26] <styx-tdo_> lunaphyte, thank you. i'll need to check and consolidate rulesets, then.. sigh[18:24:48] *** Naglfar <Naglfar!~Severance@unaffiliated/naglfar> has left #postfix[18:25:56] <lunaphyte> sure thing[18:26:23] <lunaphyte> it's not too big a deal to do that[18:27:29] *** kiokoman <kiokoman!~kiokoman@mail.trmultiservice.com> has joined #postfix[18:27:30] <styx-tdo_> well, depends.. my setup is rather.. complex ;) - mysql and ldap lookups for local user mail destination, spam filtering, .... so yes, it may take a bit[18:28:25] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:28:34] <styx-tdo_> i am just happy that i got rid of my script that checked various destinations for "do you accept this recipient?".. that was an awful hack[18:29:13] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:29:32] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[18:36:26] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-240-141.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[18:41:48] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@2601:805:8300:f66:4d86:9505:b47f:1062> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:48:18] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:49:38] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has joined #postfix[18:52:21] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p57A96950.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:56:17] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@c-73-102-204-122.hsd1.in.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[19:03:46] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p57A96950.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[19:07:22] *** mejo <mejo!~mejo@debian/developer/mejo> has left #postfix[19:10:38] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@c-73-102-204-122.hsd1.in.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:13:39] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:14:22] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:14:49] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@2601:805:8300:ce06:97b4:4e8c:886a:189b> has joined #postfix[19:21:35] <lunaphyte> that's not very complex. pretty standard[19:22:33] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@87.116.229.185> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:24:11] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@2601:805:8300:ce06:97b4:4e8c:886a:189b> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:28:47] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:29:24] *** UnicornS <UnicornS!~Justice4A@41.249.17.227> has joined #postfix[19:30:35] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-240-141.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:31:09] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[19:31:16] *** frankie64 <frankie64!~frankie64@207.164.132.77> has joined #postfix[19:32:27] <frankie64> Good Afternoon folks, I am trying to setup a mail server internally in the company, where that server has no local recipients, however it will accept mai lfrom anyone on the local network and relay the mail out to the internet correctly.[19:32:44] <frankie64> the purpose is for testing machines to send out emails.[19:33:02] <lunaphyte> sure, that's called an msa[19:33:03] <frankie64> i always get no valid recipients when i try to test it[19:33:06] <lunaphyte> !tell frankie64 msa[19:33:07] <knoba> frankie64: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[19:33:13] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[19:33:50] <lunaphyte> an msa accepts messages submitted on 587 or 465, from clients who have authenticated, and then relays those messages[19:33:52] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@2601:805:8300:e5bc:29d:508b:479f:3fa2> has joined #postfix[19:34:34] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-172-30.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[19:35:18] <frankie64> thank you\[19:36:01] <lunaphyte> if you would like help troubleshooting, you can summon the !getting_help factoid, and then follow the instructions therein[19:42:30] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@2601:805:8300:e5bc:29d:508b:479f:3fa2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:44:37] *** hgnoel1980 <hgnoel1980!~hgnoel198@host81-133-248-37.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:46:29] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[19:56:43] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has joined #postfix[19:58:13] *** cognomen <cognomen!~jhublar@c-73-102-204-122.hsd1.in.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[20:09:26] *** rob <rob!~rob@86.85.38.53> has joined #postfix[20:09:49] *** rob is now known as Guest92616[20:14:02] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[20:28:42] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:31:24] *** styx-tdo_ <styx-tdo_!~styx-tdo@193.104.1.238> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:33:11] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:42:15] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[20:42:29] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[20:56:03] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.170.121.37> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:09:14] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[21:10:42] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:16:17] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:23:54] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has joined #postfix[21:32:27] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:32:32] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side!)[21:33:26] *** UnicornS <UnicornS!~Justice4A@41.249.17.227> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:33:43] *** ntd <ntd!~ntd@gateway/tor-sasl/ntd> has quit IRC (Quit: ntd)[21:48:09] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@2601:601:100:318a:64f9:8bc:5ebd:a06f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:48:54] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@70.102.108.171> has joined #postfix[21:50:30] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@70.102.108.171> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:50:54] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@70.102.108.171> has joined #postfix[21:53:31] *** Dalkor <Dalkor!~gtenney@70.102.108.171> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:56:35] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[22:27:25] *** taggart <taggart!~taggart@utter.lackof.org> has joined #postfix[22:30:42] <taggart> I am trying to figure out a way to add a custom header based on the envelope recipient. I have looked at both header_checks and canonical but haven't figured out a way to do what I am trying to do[22:31:18] <taggart> AFAIK header_checks doesn't see envelope headers, right?[22:38:43] <taggart> hmm check_recipient_access uses the envelope recipient right? maybe there is a table type I could make do what I want[22:40:59] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@179.187.95.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:42:18] <lunaphyte> what's the purpose of the header? e.g. what's the actual problem you're trying to solve?[22:44:02] <taggart> lunaphyte: I am trying to PREPEND a custom header to track abuse of a listserv[22:44:33] <taggart> so I want to take the envelope recipient and hash it and make it a X-Foo-Abuse: header[22:44:59] <taggart> the regex maps will let me match it, but then I need to manipulate it[22:45:23] <taggart> if it was perl I could use s///e or something[22:45:31] <taggart> but the pcre map type doesn't have that[22:45:45] <lunaphyte> well, headers are not envelope, so no, header_checks would not work for that[22:45:51] <taggart> so maybe I will need a socketmap_table?"[22:46:17] <taggart> lunaphyte: yeah I am thinking check_recipient_access instead[22:47:13] <rob0> I'm still not clear on what you're wanting to do. If you're rewriting a recipient, and you don't want it rewritten, don't do that. :)[22:47:48] <taggart> I don't want to rewrite the recipient, I want to just add a header based on the recipient[22:48:01] <lunaphyte> what happens after this head gets added then?[22:49:17] <taggart> if the message ends up coming back to us via a feedback loop we have a way to track down which list was abused and close it[22:49:39] <rob0> well sure, check_recipient_access with a PREPEND, and use pcre: or regexp:[22:50:07] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~Free@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:50:20] <lunaphyte> um, verp already does that[22:50:30] <rob0> //./ PREPEND $1[22:50:38] <rob0> err[22:50:44] <rob0> /./ PREPEND $1[22:51:08] <rob0> X-Foo-Abuse: $1[22:51:46] <rob0> but yeah, I'm just answering the question as posed, possibly not addressing the real problem[22:52:06] <lunaphyte> btw, use of "X-[...]" headers has been deprecated now for some time. don't do that.[22:52:16] <taggart> rob0: yeah I need to manipulate it because many FBLs strip the recipient :([22:52:34] <taggart> so I was going to rot13 it or something :P[22:52:47] <rob0> oh, so you mean to do this going outbound[22:53:00] <rob0> after listserv submission[22:53:02] <taggart> yes[22:53:23] <taggart> lunaphyte: ah interesting, what's the replacement?[22:53:32] <lunaphyte> what do you mean replacement?[22:53:44] <taggart> lunaphyte: for X- headers[22:54:05] <lunaphyte> yeah, i'm not sure what you mean replacement[22:54:08] <taggart> is there an reserved namespace for adding org specific headers?[22:54:09] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:54:09] <rob0> to rot13 or otherwise encode, you'd need a simple policy servvice[22:54:12] <lunaphyte> the replacement is don't do that :)[22:54:31] <taggart> but doctor it hurts :P[22:54:34] <lunaphyte> no, the deprecated does away with reserved namesepace. that's the entire point[22:54:40] <rob0> haha[22:54:41] <lunaphyte> *deprecation[22:55:48] <taggart> rob0: policy seems overkill? could I just do something like a socketmap or tcpmap type with check_recipient_access?[22:56:03] <taggart> since all I need is the recipient and not the whole message[22:56:15] <lunaphyte> see rfc 6648 if you're interested in the details[23:04:43] <rob0> well, maybe, I don't know.[23:05:47] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@ip5f59780d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:06:52] *** cryptic <cryptic!~cryptic@142.196.139.17> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:09:26] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@ip5f59780d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #postfix[23:09:30] *** cryptic <cryptic!~cryptic@142.196.139.17> has joined #postfix[23:11:12] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:14:55] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:12] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[23:24:28] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[23:48:36] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:50:40] *** Penguin_ <Penguin_!~xwQ5kwYl6@our.systems.are.full.of.penguins.at.penguinsystems.net> has joined #postfix[23:55:04] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@197.17.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:58:13] *** epony <epony!~epony@unaffiliated/epony> has joined #postfix[23:59:26] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@195.138.249.13> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)