December 4, 2018 
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December 4, 2018 [00:05:20] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:06:03] *** sphex <sphex!~nobody@38.133.24.162> has joined #postfix[00:07:38] *** TheL0singEdge <TheL0singEdge!~TheL0sing@unaffiliated/thel0singedge> has joined #postfix[00:09:13] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:28:15] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-98-215-100-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[00:39:42] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:47:14] *** sphex <sphex!~nobody@38.133.24.162> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:47:36] *** Netwolf <Netwolf!~Netwolf@unaffiliated/netwolf> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:48:58] *** Netwolf <Netwolf!~Netwolf@unaffiliated/netwolf> has joined #postfix[00:58:43] *** reiffert <reiffert!~foobar@p5DD756DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[00:58:58] *** reiffert <reiffert!~foobar@p4FF690E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[01:07:50] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[01:08:12] *** sphex <sphex!~nobody@38.133.24.162> has joined #postfix[01:08:43] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[01:09:06] *** rob is now known as Guest3542[01:09:54] *** plantroon <plantroon!~plantroon@91.236.69.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:09:58] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[01:16:48] *** Guest3542 <Guest3542!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:18:23] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:31:15] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:31:34] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has joined #postfix[01:49:02] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:49:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[02:01:53] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[02:16:09] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~NanoSecto@simplemachines/customizer/NanoSector> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)[02:18:43] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~NanoSecto@simplemachines/customizer/NanoSector> has joined #postfix[02:25:35] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:27:33] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[02:45:54] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:47:05] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[02:47:38] *** gturner <gturner!~gturner@zoth-ommog.unzane.com> has joined #postfix[02:52:07] <gturner> i have a satellite host that I'd like to set smtp_tls_security_level=dane-only so that relayhost uses MX+TLSA lookup (like my other satellite hosts are configured), however this particular host is DNS authorative for the relay domain name[02:52:20] <gturner> the resolver doesn't set the AD flag (it gets AA instead)[02:52:40] <gturner> there anyway to configure postfix with DANE on an authorative DNS server?[03:43:50] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p5B2E2DDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[03:46:18] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p5B2E2B08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[03:47:41] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:00:15] *** rob <rob!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[04:00:39] *** rob is now known as Guest67803[04:04:10] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[04:05:11] *** Guest67803 <Guest67803!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:08:14] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:08:53] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[04:13:14] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:14:02] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-107-107-58-214.mycingular.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:19:28] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[04:21:34] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has joined #postfix[04:22:46] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has joined #postfix[04:23:31] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:27:52] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[04:32:14] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:33:25] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[04:37:10] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:45:42] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[04:56:09] <pj> gturner: I wouldn't know, but yo should post to the mailing list, Viktor will likely reply and he is the absolute expert in TLS and DANE, especially in how it works with Postfix.[04:58:05] <gturner> pj: on the dane-users mailing list, right, was going to do that :)[04:59:23] <pj> I meant on the postfix mailing list, but it wouldn't suprise me if he's on dane-users as well.[04:59:27] <pj> !ml[04:59:27] <knoba> pj: "ml" : You could try asking on the postfix-users mailing list. Want to subscribe? See: http://www.postfix.org/lists.html[05:01:25] <gturner> ah i see, thanks[05:11:22] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[05:36:13] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[05:45:04] <Netwolf> vol of mail on postfix-users has gone down to a trickle[05:45:36] <Netwolf> iguess no one uses email unless done by the big players[05:50:17] <Ether_Man_> Netwolf, The problem is that setting up your own server has become so easy today that so many are doing it, resulting in that more and more ISPs have begun blocking it for consumer connections, and companies like MS, have begun using whitelist only for hotmail where if your domain or sender IP, isn't already trusted, you're not allowed to send to any MS domain. The result is that more and more people are essentially[05:50:17] <Ether_Man_> forced to use big brand services in order for mail to work at all.[06:00:43] *** keanne <keanne!~kenneth@119.92.123.29> has joined #postfix[06:06:42] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[06:12:51] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[06:13:19] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[06:13:35] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[06:15:09] <keanne> is possible to have utf8 decoded mail logging?[06:16:13] <keanne> or i am asking the wrong question[06:23:29] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[06:25:26] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[06:28:00] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[06:33:48] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[06:36:30] <thumbs> keanne: yes.[06:38:48] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:39:05] <keanne> thumbs: is that for my 1st question or the 2nd lol[06:39:19] <Ether_Man_> Yes ;)[06:49:18] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[06:59:05] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-98-215-100-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[07:02:21] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-252-123.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[07:06:14] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:06:58] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[07:18:44] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-194-8.ip.btc-net.bg> has joined #postfix[07:19:07] *** epony is now known as Guest11895[07:20:31] *** Guest11895 <Guest11895!~nym@79-100-194-8.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Max SendQ 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(Client Quit)[11:56:34] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has joined #postfix[11:57:18] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:03:49] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has joined #postfix[12:04:52] *** xernus <xernus!~xernus@25533.s.t4vps.eu> has joined #postfix[12:05:20] <xernus> Hi! When delivering mail via TLS, is it possible to have postfix log the TLS version used for the delivry? TLSv1, TLSv1_2 etc.?[12:10:21] <double-p> smtp_tls_loglevel=1 not enough?[12:11:14] <xernus> double-p: Just when I asked the question I found that parameter. I have added it now and seems to be just fine. However it seems that all connections are "Untrusted TLS connection" - wouldn't they only be untrusted if the cert on recipient server is not correct? E.g. gmail and o365 shows up untrusted too[12:12:14] <double-p> well, postfix doesnt ship with a trusted-CA base like a browser[12:12:43] <xernus> Ah, I thought it'd use the default one in the OS. But it makes sense. Thanks[12:13:38] <double-p> depends on the OS, if there's such a thing - and you still need to point it to (smtp_tls_CApath)[12:14:28] <xernus> double-p: That makes sense - thank a lot. Appreciate it[12:14:42] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.1 - https://znc.in)[12:16:08] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has joined #postfix[12:16:43] *** tobasco <tobasco!~tobasco@host-92-19-146-25.as13285.net> has joined #postfix[12:17:03] *** tobasco <tobasco!~tobasco@host-92-19-146-25.as13285.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:19:14] *** muAdmDev <muAdmDev!~mu@193.158.65.130> has joined #postfix[12:19:19] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:20:03] *** sbraz <sbraz!~sbraz@gentoo/developer/sbraz> has joined #postfix[12:20:43] <double-p> hmm, while checking that, saw that our backup-MX has a cert expired ~1300 days ago. i think i've to talk to the monitoring guy :)[12:21:25] <rjsalts> double-p: doesn't matter too much with MX traffic[12:22:03] <double-p> yeah.. but it's "un-nice" :)[12:23:46] <rjsalts> double-p: as in people will still send encrypted messages to you if you've advertised starttls and sent them an expired cert in the handshake[12:24:07] <xernus> I see often that people don't care as much about their backup MX. E.g. for GDPR stuff, deliery of personal info is required via TLSv1.2 - and we see many recieving servers where the low mx is all fine, but the backup is horrible and doesnt even support SSL/TLS at all[12:24:11] <rjsalts> double-p: and you're just as vulnerable to MITM as with a current cert[12:25:14] <double-p> rjsalts: sure, goes without saying since noone ever noticed so far[12:32:31] <muAdmDev> When internal user A sends mail to internal user B and this mail is considered spam, it is delivered to our central spam folder. how could one send an email to the sender to inform him about the fact his mail was considered spam? hints, main steps etc welcome[12:32:59] <tuxick> internals users sending spam?[12:33:06] <tuxick> i'd say that's easy to fix: fire them[12:33:12] <muAdmDev> :)[12:34:05] <muAdmDev> let's say it's false positives[12:34:52] <muAdmDev> I'd like to allow internal mails in general and have SPF setup. But we need an intermediate solution[12:35:26] <double-p> procmail/sieve?[12:35:39] <muAdmDev> procmail, just opened procmailrc[12:37:05] *** MelMalik is now known as Reinhilde[12:38:16] <tuxick> tbh i don't see any good reason for scanning internal mail[12:39:43] <muAdmDev> me neigther, convincing the guys above is not always easy[12:42:24] <tuxick> managers? simple[12:42:48] <tuxick> make sure the solution is extremely expensive and has "enterprise" and/or "cloud" in the name[12:43:02] <double-p> blockchain not to forget[12:43:33] <muAdmDev> tuxick: :D[12:43:35] <tuxick> hmm not sure, is that still relevant?[12:43:53] <tuxick> reading about blokchain is still on my todo list[12:44:09] <double-p> hmm, yeah. go for DL/AI directly. better fit for the base anyway :)[12:44:16] <double-p> case*[12:44:47] <tuxick> algorithms?[12:45:06] <double-p> deep-learning/artificial intelligence[12:47:47] <tuxick> yeah, that's algorithms![12:49:59] <tuxick> used by deep state to undermine democracy[12:50:10] <tuxick> but ok, i digress[12:53:06] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has joined #postfix[13:01:58] <rjsalts> muAdmDev: sounds like you want autoresponder type thing[13:04:19] <muAdmDev> rjsalts: kind of. If internal mail delivered to spam folder, send mail to sender[13:05:29] *** LaBliMo <LaBliMo!~l@193.89.191.209> has joined #postfix[13:07:26] <muAdmDev> rjsalts: just wanted to check how to do it in procmail "if mail from internal IP && (sender from our domain && receiver from our domain), then send mail to sender"[13:11:02] <rjsalts> muAdmDev: I don't know procmail that well, but it's basically pipe mail to the procmail process which goes through a config file to do rules based redirections and can create new emails in response (an autoresponder)[13:11:46] <rjsalts> muAdmDev: how're you handling your central spam mailbox now? is it using local delivery?[13:12:02] <muAdmDev> rjsalts: I'll figure something out. Already got some theory about how to get sender IP and from/to address[13:12:46] <muAdmDev> rjsalts: I guess so, procmail delivers spam (based on subject in header) to central spam folder[13:16:28] <rjsalts> http://linuxbox.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Fv_Milter might be an option too[13:16:37] <rjsalts> rather than procmail[13:17:17] <rjsalts> procmail would work though[13:17:49] <rjsalts> http://rant.gulbrandsen.priv.no/eai/procmail[13:34:51] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has joined #postfix[13:38:17] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~vault@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:39:42] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:49:13] *** andylavarre <andylavarre!~andy@mobile-107-107-58-183.mycingular.net> has joined #postfix[13:49:45] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[13:54:48] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[13:57:19] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:57:46] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[13:58:56] <JPT> So ... i have this "content-filter -> reinject via another smtpd instance" type scenario. I wish to use a relay_host for sending the mail after it got "re-received" by that other smtpd instance. Now i'm exploring my options. :-)[14:00:53] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:03:19] <JPT> ... i could define another smtp instance and use that as my default transport for that other smtpd instance. It does not feel good, but it might do it.[14:10:14] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:12:25] *** natan <natan!natan@host74-89-206-40.limes.com.pl> has joined #postfix[14:12:56] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:12:56] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[14:17:48] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.36.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:18:02] *** natan <natan!natan@host74-89-206-40.limes.com.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: BitchX: reserve your copy today!)[14:19:49] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:22:41] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[14:22:41] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[14:24:08] *** mami64 <mami64!natan@host74-89-206-40.limes.com.pl> has joined #postfix[14:25:20] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:26:55] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[14:26:55] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[14:43:24] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:44:09] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:44:10] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[14:44:30] <JPT> Okay, i'm not getting anywhere with my current methods. I have a machine that is in charge of a bunch of domains. Emails to that domains get pushed to the appropriate systems using transport_maps.[14:45:10] <JPT> All other emails (-> all outbound emails) are sent into the internet according the standard delivery procedure[14:45:56] <JPT> Now we had some incidents with compromised credentials leading to bad reputation and my current goal is to relay outbound emails to a different machine on the network.[14:50:27] <double-p> see the '*' example in transport(5)?[14:55:28] <JPT> I tried that, but it makes outbound emails bounce with relay=none and "mail for smtp-backup.hs-hannover.de loops back to myself"[14:56:25] <JPT> My current guess is that i may want to use default_transport, but i am not entirely sure[14:58:17] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:58:51] <JPT> I wish i had enforced more strict limits about how many emails can be sent. Then i wouldn't have this issue right now. :|[14:59:38] <JPT> If you have enough people, there is a decent chance that one or two of them may enter their credentials on a phishing site[15:00:02] <tuxick> i used to have ~6 per month[15:00:09] <tuxick> cluebringer to the rescue[15:00:27] <tuxick> and zabbix watching mailqueue[15:00:53] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:00:53] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[15:01:30] *** Tuju <Tuju!~tuju@214-204-50-195.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC ()[15:02:07] *** Ether_Man_ <Ether_Man_!~ether009@unaffiliated/ether-man/x-1546665> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:02:41] *** Ether_Man <Ether_Man!~ether009@c-2ffcdb54.016-680-6d6c6d5.bbcust.telenor.se> has joined #postfix[15:02:54] <JPT> I will check these two out later - currently, i have a postfwd in place that enforces certain limits for me.[15:03:24] *** Ether_Man <Ether_Man!~ether009@c-2ffcdb54.016-680-6d6c6d5.bbcust.telenor.se> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:03:24] *** Ether_Man <Ether_Man!~ether009@unaffiliated/ether-man/x-1546665> has joined #postfix[15:03:45] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[15:04:43] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:06:49] <double-p> JPT: well, you need to list your delivery domains there (as the example shows)[15:07:28] <JPT> I do[15:08:24] <double-p> well, too many unknowns[15:09:42] *** edux <edux!~edux@204-241-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[15:10:58] <JPT> Let's see. Currently, i have only transport_maps configured. That map contains a list of all relevant relay domains and where to relay them to. All of these domains are also listed as relay_domains.[15:11:20] *** ocx32 <ocx32!4d2afadc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.42.250.220> has joined #postfix[15:11:21] <ocx32> hello everyonem is this a correct format for an spf? should it have the /32? mydomain.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 mx a ptr ip4:1.1.1.1/32 a:2.2.2.2/32"[15:12:03] <lunaphyte> ocx32: that would be a question for ##email. this channel is for postfix specific discussion/support[15:12:03] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@204-241-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[15:13:09] *** treehug88 <treehug88!~textual@pool-98-113-184-194.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[15:13:48] *** edux <edux!~edux@204-241-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:15:05] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:15:59] <JPT> Since i only want to change how outbound email is handled, and since default_transport comes into play after relay_domains have been taken care of, i should be able to use it to make outbound emails go a different path[15:17:01] <JPT> Would default_transport=smtp:[smtp-backup.hs-hannover.de]1;5D:25 be valid syntax?[15:17:29] <JPT> * default_transport=smtp:[smtp-backup.hs-hannover.de]:25[15:18:48] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:19:40] <lunaphyte> do you have separate mail servers set up for mta and msa duties?[15:20:32] <JPT> As far as i know, not really. I have two machines that mainly handle inbound mail (but they send bounces on their own), and i have that magic "let's push all outbound mail to this machine" server.[15:20:46] <JPT> I really need to clean this up over the next months[15:21:45] <JPT> I wish i had separate machines that take care of just one thing: inbound mail, outbound mail, maybe something in between for internal routing/relaying[15:21:52] *** trident <trident!~trident@paranoia.trisec.se> has joined #postfix[15:21:58] <JPT> And perhaps even push spam scanners onto their own machines[15:22:54] <JPT> I guess it's easier to just make smtp bind to an additional ip address that i add to that machine instead of trying to make postfix relay outbound mail to a new machine.[15:23:49] <JPT> ... i also wish i had enough time for this (and a test environment) :|[15:24:49] <lunaphyte> why is postfix relaying mail to a new machine?[15:25:29] *** woxidu <woxidu!~woxidu@c-71-192-31-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[15:25:32] <tuxick> because it can![15:25:48] <JPT> It is not. But that's my plan, so i can 1) do a bit of restructuring and 2) circumvent bad reputation on an ip address for a few hours[15:26:01] <lunaphyte> that's what i mean. why would it? for what purpose?[15:26:36] <JPT> I am unable to simply change the ip address of the whole machine because about 20 other systems submit emails to it[15:26:51] <lunaphyte> err, only 20?[15:27:01] <JPT> That's my current estimate. :|[15:27:08] <lunaphyte> i sure hope they're using a hostname, not an ip address ;)[15:27:23] <lunaphyte> and i hope that hostname is a service hostname[15:27:39] <JPT> Sure - it's not that bad. :)[15:28:10] <lunaphyte> so then all you need to do is change the dns data[15:28:35] *** nindustr1 <nindustr1!~nindustri@unaffiliated/nindustries> has joined #postfix[15:28:38] <JPT> And a bunch of firewall rules. :|[15:28:42] <nindustr1> Hi, what does this mean? postfix/smtp[94]: 70D254E80A: to=<root at xxx dot com>, relay=mx3.xxx[xxx]:25, delay=0.42, delays=0.01/0/0.26/0.15, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host mx3.xxx[xxx] said: 554 5.7.1 Recipient address rejected: Unknown recipient (in reply to RCPT TO command))[15:29:00] <lunaphyte> a bunch? should be just one, with a group, i'd hope![15:29:09] <JPT> *sigh* :D[15:29:48] <lunaphyte> nindustr1: please do not use other people's domain names when you wish to hide yours. that's very inconsiderate[15:30:09] <nindustr1> alright[15:30:36] <nindustr1> I can send to the recipient address with another mail account[15:30:42] <nindustr1> (on another mail server)[15:30:57] <lunaphyte> pastebin logs of it working, and logs of it not working[15:31:30] <JPT> If that mx3 says that it does not know the recipient, then it usually means your recipient address may contain an error (or is not existing)[15:32:08] *** treehug88 <treehug88!~textual@pool-98-113-184-194.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[15:33:00] <JPT> I'll take a break and rethink my plans. Thanks a lot for your feedback and time. :-)[15:33:44] <nindustr1> weird enough, I can send to the email address[15:36:12] *** ocx32 <ocx32!4d2afadc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.42.250.220> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[15:37:32] <nindustr1> hmm..[15:42:23] *** LaBliMo <LaBliMo!~l@193.89.191.209> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:45:42] <nindustr1> nevermind, it was a categorized as spam it seems[15:46:39] <lunaphyte> if your system is logging "Unknown recipient" when something is categorized as spam, that is badly misconfigured[15:47:43] <double-p> ohum.. tell that gmx,1+1,.. :p[15:47:54] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-167-12.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: random_yanek)[15:51:23] *** nindustr1 <nindustr1!~nindustri@unaffiliated/nindustries> has quit IRC (Quit: used escape rope!)[15:57:41] <dupondje> Is there a way to choose an outgoing IP, depending on the SMTP AUTH user?[15:58:14] <tuxick> urgh[16:01:42] <double-p> :-)[16:03:01] <double-p> i'd say.. multi-instance setup comes to mind[16:03:16] *** muAdmDev <muAdmDev!~mu@193.158.65.130> has left #postfix[16:04:12] <dupondje> yea thats an option. but bit overkill for the usecase ofcourse :)[16:04:53] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:04:54] <double-p> "if you spam, do it properly!"[tm] :)[16:06:54] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@5ED0E3DB.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:10:15] <tuxick> span only spammers?[16:12:10] <dupondje> double-p: nah seggregate users :)[16:16:03] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-167-12.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[16:16:04] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-167-12.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[16:18:38] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-167-12.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[16:21:44] <double-p> i just see no other option to bind another 'smtp' to another address besides inet_interfaces[16:24:20] <lunaphyte> you would do it with custom transports[16:25:56] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:26:11] <tuxick> i'd start with asking why?[16:26:37] <tuxick> sounds like XY or M problem[16:26:55] <double-p> tuxick: multi-tenancy? but than I def. go for multi-instance[16:28:02] <tuxick> manager[16:33:10] <tuxick> afaict most YX problems are caused by M anyway[16:33:37] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:37:42] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[16:42:14] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@53516C3D.cm-6-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #postfix[16:42:16] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:43:25] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[16:44:13] <lunaphyte> first, implement the reject_sender_login_mismatch smtpd sender restriction[16:45:21] <lunaphyte> then, implement sender_dependent_default_transport_maps, pointing a given envelope sender to a given transport service[16:45:28] <lunaphyte> then per transport, specify smtp_bind_address[16:45:49] <lunaphyte> but yes, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve here? this is very convoluted[16:48:17] <double-p> huh[16:52:20] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[16:53:46] *** rob_ <rob_!~rob@53516C3D.cm-6-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:03:01] <JPT> oh my god[17:03:06] <JPT> postfix was right the whole time[17:03:14] <tuxick> of course!![17:03:37] <JPT> I got these "loops back to myself" errors whenever i tried to relay stuff.[17:03:59] <JPT> Turns out, my new machine conflicts with the secondary ip address on the machine that i tried to configure for relaying.[17:05:00] <JPT> So - in theory - if i fix that ip address conflict by removing that ip address, relaying should work[17:08:03] <JPT> Yup. That did the trick.[17:08:15] <JPT> Looks like it's time to get sleep[17:08:54] *** RaiNerTsuFal <RaiNerTsuFal!~RaiNerTsu@akita.vx.hn> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:10:06] <tuxick> nah[17:12:28] <JPT> I just figured out that it might be an ip address conflict when i went through parts of the postfix code on github. :|[17:37:41] *** Intelo <Intelo!~Intelo@gateway/tor-sasl/intelo> has joined #postfix[17:38:21] <Intelo> There are ways to add your MTA in mass mailer list of hotmail, gmail etc. Can anyone tell their form link? Cannot find on google[17:38:56] <double-p> say intentions[17:40:52] <JPT> GMail usually includes very helpful https-links in their defer/reject messages. This may be a nice starting point: https://support.google.com/mail/[17:41:17] <JPT> I doubt that they have a magic "whitelist my mta, please" form[17:41:58] <Intelo> they have bulk mailer forms[17:42:09] <tureba> perhaps https://postmaster.google.com ?[17:42:32] <Intelo> K[17:48:56] <Intelo> tureba, for hotmail, yahoo?[17:52:26] <tureba> Intelo: probably along the lines of https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN3438.html[17:52:45] <tureba> I've no idea about hotmail[17:58:34] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:01:05] <blackflow> there's no such thing as "MTA mass mailer list". I mean, what would prevent spammers to enlist. There is however programmes where you're notified of complaints, Hotmail has one. Not sure about Yahoo, and GMail doesn't afaik, they only have the policies.[18:01:43] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:05:41] *** Intelo <Intelo!~Intelo@gateway/tor-sasl/intelo> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:06:27] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:08:21] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@177.96.145.141> has joined #postfix[18:08:56] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[18:10:18] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:11:25] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[18:14:03] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~vault@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has joined #postfix[18:20:04] *** Intelo <Intelo!~Intelo@gateway/tor-sasl/intelo> has joined #postfix[18:20:27] <Intelo> blackflow, link for hotmail?[18:21:26] <Intelo> blackflow, whats the idea behind that anyway? People complaint and you get notified? What else? I can just put my own links of complaint inside the email body. Whats the need of hotmail to do it? Even if its done, will I be able to send more emails per day than normal?[18:21:43] <Intelo> whats the usually email sending limit for a new comer MTA ?[18:21:52] <blackflow> Intelo: https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/pm/services.aspx[18:22:33] <blackflow> Intelo: with this programme you make sure that Outlook notifies you when they get a complaint about you. That reduces probability of you being (permanently) blacklisted by them.[18:22:46] <blackflow> (primarily because by acting upon complaints you ensure clean operation)[18:24:27] <Intelo> k[18:24:32] <Intelo> whats the usually email sending limit for a new comer MTA ?[18:26:51] <blackflow> what?[18:29:03] <Intelo> blackflow, what is the usual limit per day of sending emails to mailbox providers like Microsoft, AOL, Yahoo, Gmail, Comcast, Orange, Mail.ru, and more.[18:29:22] <blackflow> no idea i'm not a spam^W bulk mailer.[18:33:55] <Intelo> blackflow, you are not a legit mailer either? <-- the limit matters for both spamers and legit senders.[18:34:42] <tuxick> legit = opt-in with unsubscribe option[18:35:10] <blackflow> Intelo: I meant I'm not sending bulk mail to Outlook to be concerend about limits.[18:35:21] <Intelo> k[18:35:38] <Intelo> tuxick, whats 'optin with unsub'?[18:35:59] <Intelo> tuxick, I can provide a simple link at footer saying unsub[18:37:27] <blackflow> that opt-in is more important tho[18:38:13] <tuxick> quite so[18:38:34] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:40:08] <Intelo> whats the difference? who maintants the formar list?[18:41:03] <blackflow> you don't understand. the opt-in is for YOU. if all your users opted-in to your mailing list, they won't complain about mail they.... opted-in for. if they DON'T then you'll havbe complaints and ultimately end up on a blacklist in the blink of an eye.[18:41:22] <blackflow> esp if you send to some nice Spamhaus spamtraps. then ur dun goof'd.[18:41:38] <Intelo> oh ok[18:43:05] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has joined #postfix[19:02:18] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:09:22] <tuxick> actually lots of users will report opt-in mail as spam because they're afraid to click on unsubscribe link[19:09:36] <tuxick> and they're kinda right too[19:26:28] <Intelo> why be afraid[19:29:40] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[19:31:48] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:32:36] <tuxick> because after all these years the concept "URL" is way beyond most users[19:32:36] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:32:46] <tuxick> still[19:33:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:33:38] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:34:02] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:34:04] *** graphene <graphene!~graphene@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:34:19] *** Intelo <Intelo!~Intelo@gateway/tor-sasl/intelo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:41:27] *** ]SiB[ 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I tried setting up that email in the virtual file pointing to a nobody user with home address of /dev/null, but for some reason it keeps going through to my catchall address[22:55:06] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[22:56:59] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:56:59] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[23:03:17] *** woxidu <woxidu!~woxidu@c-71-192-31-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: woxidu)[23:09:20] <lunaphyte> yikes[23:09:21] <lunaphyte> a catchall?[23:09:27] <lunaphyte> this is exactly why you should not be using a catchall[23:10:55] <n_1-c_k> meowzus: smtpd_recipient_restrictions might help you, combined with check_recipient_access... until you get rid of the catchall.[23:15:21] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:24:55] *** enix is now known as cryptic8u[23:41:47] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:42:07] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[23:42:46] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:43:55] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-98-215-100-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[23:50:38] *** cryptic8u is now known as enix[23:52:36] *** kermit <kermit!~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit> has joined #postfix[23:54:34] *** enix <enix!~enix@104.156.233.217> has left #postfix[23:58:51] <meowzus> Why are catchalls bad and how do I keep that behavior[23:58:57] <meowzus> I like just being able to enter any sort of email address