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[08:49:38] <Walt005> good morning. i asked already yesterday but work, work, work.... "oi and ellooo, can someone in here tell me why postfix tells me every morning that /var/mail/ is full. but it isnt... halp!?"
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[08:57:37] <pj> Walt005: show the actual log messages you're referring to in a pastebin.
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[09:38:23] <Walt005> iam trying to find it give me a moment or two. i can show a line within the email: "/var/mail von SERVERNAME ist Voll" which translates to: "/var/mail on serverx is full" ;D
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[10:05:23] <Walt005> 'cause if i check every folder in /var/mail with "mail -f" it tells me that there are NO messages for me/this user.
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[10:12:25] <survietamine> you should comply to channel's rules
[10:13:45] <survietamine> and I don't get what you want to demonstrate with `mail -f` for a disk saturation problem
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[10:43:28] <Walt005> disk saturation problem? rly?
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[11:18:56] <kerrhau> hey
[11:19:29] <kerrhau> I've been trying to get postfix to send an SMTP banner, but it just wont work
[11:21:05] <kerrhau> here's my main.cf: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/eFB0BrHKmWiWv4OcHnoN/
[11:21:21] <kerrhau> master.cf: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/2ZxHpBDE36foQ3jzS1X4/
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[11:33:55] <frdmn> Hi!
[11:34:54] <frdmn> might be a stupid question: when my mailserver is trying to deliver a mail which gets rejetected by the receiving side (greylisted) then put into deferred status.
[11:35:00] <frdmn> Shouldn't that mail get requeued at some point?
[11:35:33] <frdmn> Because postfix immediately removed the mail-id from the queue and I can not find it anywhere in /var/spool/postfix/deferred/ either
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[11:37:32] <kmq> Walt005, well think about what it means exactly for /var/mail to be "full".
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[11:39:17] <kerrhau> is there anything specific that might cause postfix to not send an SMTP banner?
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[11:44:47] <Walt005> @kmq: i think this email every morning tells me, that the sizelimit for some users mailboxs exceeded.
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[11:51:33] <rudi_s> frdmn: Temporary rejects will be retried later. I'm not entirely sure where postfix stores the mail though.
[11:52:17] <frdmn> rudi_s: thanks, i wonder how I can check if it really does - because the receiving side complains about our configuration
[11:52:25] <frdmn> that it doesn't retry and just removed the mail
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[11:53:54] <frdmn> now since I can not find it in the queue (as well /var/spool/postfix/deferred/) I thought that it might be true
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[11:55:52] <rudi_s> frdmn: Yeah, it should still be in the (deferred) queue (just checked locally). What is the response from the server in the postfix log? It should say something like status=deferred.
[11:55:55] <kmq> frdmn, better to read the logfile than try to look for mails in the spool directories.
[11:58:20] <frdmn> @kmq here's the mail.log output: http://paste.frd.mn/egiye
[11:58:31] <rudi_s> kerrhau: "stmpd" in line 13?
[11:59:03] <frdmn> @rudi_s @kmq also I can not find the mail ID using postcat.
[11:59:26] <kerrhau> rudi_s: even with stmp it still doesnt send a banner
[11:59:33] <kerrhau> even when I change it to stmp*
[11:59:54] <rudi_s> kerrhau: Are you making that typo on purpose?
[12:00:01] <kerrhau> no
[12:00:19] <rudi_s> kerrhau: It should say smtpd in the far right column.
[12:00:27] <kerrhau> OH
[12:00:46] <rudi_s> frdmn: Why did you remove the message with postsuper?
[12:00:53] <kerrhau> am an idiot :(
[12:00:53] <frdmn> I didn't!
[12:01:04] <frdmn> or at least not on purpose :o
[12:01:05] <rudi_s> frdmn: The last line says you did.
[12:01:11] <frdmn> I thought that happend automatically
[12:01:24] <rudi_s> I don't think so.
[12:01:40] <frdmn> Alright, then I'm going to try figure out where that is coming from
[12:01:51] <rudi_s> kerrhau: Does it work?
[12:01:56] <kerrhau> sadly, no
[12:02:24] <rudi_s> kerrhau: But at least the postfix should start now. - What kind of banner do you expect to see?
[12:03:00] <kerrhau> 220 kerrhau.cf ESMTP PostFix
[12:04:49] <kerrhau> before this postfix was starting and I could connect using telnet
[12:04:52] <kerrhau> it just wasnt sending a banner
[12:05:03] <kerrhau> which, I guess is why I never caught the typo
[12:06:07] <rudi_s> kerrhau: I'm confused. Postfix always sends the "banner" because thats how SMTP works.
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[12:06:28] <rudi_s> With smtpd_banner you can change what exactly is sent, but not the fact that the 220 shows up.
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[12:07:04] <kerrhau> neither are sent
[12:07:33] <rudi_s> kerrhau: Are you sure postfix is running? Did you check the logs?
[12:07:40] <rudi_s> Correct host, port, etc.
[12:07:42] <kerrhau> where are the logs?
[12:07:59] <rudi_s> Depends on your system, on recent linux systems it's in the journal, or in /var/log.
[12:08:30] <rudi_s> nc -vvv host 25 should say "Connection to x 25 succeeded" and then show the banner.
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[12:09:56] <kerrhau> ugh
[12:10:01] <kerrhau> postfix wasnt running
[12:10:11] <kerrhau> now im not sure why
[12:10:37] <kerrhau> there's nothing in /var/log relevant to postfix
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[12:11:48] <rudi_s> kerrhau: Well, then check the system log.
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[12:12:10] <kerrhau> actually
[12:12:15] <kerrhau> it just sent the banner
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[12:13:32] <kerrhau> rudi_s: sorry, I waisted your time, I'm not sure what was wrong but it's working now, thanks.
[12:13:43] <frdmn> @rudi_s do you know of any directive or setting that could cause postsuper to delete them automatically?
[12:13:48] <frdmn> i see lots of messages in the logs
[12:14:07] <frdmn> but we don't have a script or something similiar that could invoke those...
[12:14:15] <frdmn> not sure where this is coming from
[12:15:07] <rudi_s> kerrhau: Don't worry. But for the future find out where postfix writes its log output so you can easily debug further issues.
[12:15:15] <kerrhau> alright
[12:17:32] <rudi_s> frdmn: AFAIK the postsuper command is the (only) source of those log messages. So something/somebody must be calling postsuper to delete the message.
[12:18:08] <rudi_s> 16:30:01 could be a cron job which runs every minute.
[12:19:51] <rudi_s> *or every 5 minutes or similar.
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[12:27:57] <kerrhau> i dont think postfix is logging
[12:31:56] <kerrhau> annnd this is more idiocy from me
[12:31:59] <kerrhau> i didnt have rsyslog running
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[13:36:49] <survietamine> yes, it's not a great idea not having syslog
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[14:16:35] <netmaniack> Hello. I have setup postfix mail server for 3months now. So far so good. Now that I have a little experiance whit this I'm starting to lookup more options for functionality and security. My question is - how do You protect Your mail server? Do You use greylisting, RBLs, other security solutions to combat spam and viruses?
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[14:22:06] <survietamine> yeah, DNSBL with postscreen
[14:22:10] <survietamine> !cheatsheet
[14:22:11] <knoba> survietamine: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2017-07-06, now requires Postfix 2.11+)
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[14:27:46] <netmaniack> Tnx. Now I'm using Amavis-new whit Spamassasin, ClamAV, Postgrey. Im looking up postgrey alternatives and Gross seems like a good alternative on paper. Will read those sheets.
[14:28:47] <Kelsar> greylisting is bad ... most of the time
[14:29:12] <survietamine> postscreen
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[14:30:01] <survietamine> !postscreen
[14:30:01] <knoba> survietamine: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available since Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html
[14:30:23] <netmaniack> Kelsar: Why? It seems like a good idea, on paper. Far as I know no mail is lost.
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[15:00:21] <celyr> netmaniack, my users complains when I do enable greylisting
[15:00:38] <survietamine> !greylist
[15:00:38] <knoba> survietamine: "greylist" : (#1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting, or (#2) Greylisting implementations for postfix: http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/postfix.shtml, or (#3) Consider using !postscreen instead of greylisting in postfix.
[15:01:06] <survietamine> hmmm
[15:03:27] <netmaniack> That 5min delay can cause problems for some. Or You have experiance whit lost mail because of greylist?
[15:04:35] <survietamine> if greylisting is fine for you, why do you want to replace it?
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[15:13:35] <netmaniack> I was wondering if that can cause mail loss at some point.
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[15:22:10] <celyr> netmaniack, it's not a 5 minute delay
[15:22:38] <celyr> greylisting waits for 3 retry and retry interval is not under your control
[15:22:51] <celyr> so i can be even a day
[15:22:53] <celyr> it*
[15:23:58] <netmaniack> If incoming mail server is agressive. I haven't had this kind off issue, far as I know. Interesting.
[15:25:54] <celyr> when I enable it mails get 20 minutes delay usually
[15:26:09] <celyr> ofc we are speaking about "first email" but this is not really acceptable
[15:26:34] <celyr> sometimes users have customer at the phone that "just sent the email" you can imagine
[15:33:58] <netmaniack> "sometimes users have customer at the phone that "just sent the email" you can imagine" this is scenario that I had in mind that can be problematic.
[15:40:47] <patdk-lap> shouldn't be
[15:40:56] <patdk-lap> unless you never received email from that person before
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[15:44:42] <celyr> that is mostly the case :)
[15:44:59] <celyr> anyway, do you use BATV ?
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[16:07:09] <rob0> !dnswl
[16:07:09] <knoba> rob0: "dnswl" : http://www.dnswl.org The DNS Whitelist protects against false positives from known good senders
[16:07:45] <celyr> ?
[16:08:26] <rob0> DNSWL (permit_dnswl_client) before the check_policy_service for greylisting will avoid much of the pain, but indeed, postscreen is the way to go.
[16:10:15] <celyr> Oh I thought it was an answer for BATV
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[16:16:58] <survietamine> lol
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[17:11:39] <visip> hi
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[20:18:48] <Galaxor> Hi. I'm trying to set up smtp auth using postfix->dovecot. I'm using mandatory ssl. Everywhere I could think of, I told postfix and dovecot to use only the PLAIN auth mechanism. And yet, postfix offers DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 NTLM LOGIN PLAIN and then gives up after CRAM-MD5 fails. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.
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[20:20:04] <Galaxor> In dovecot's 10-auth.conf, I set auth_mechanisms = plain. In postfix's main.cf, I set smtp_sasl_mechanism_filter = plain
[20:20:25] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd
[20:20:26] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[20:20:53] <rob0> but anyway, yes, Postfix simply reports the list of mechanisms given by the SASL backend
[20:21:15] <Galaxor> rob0: Okay, so this is a dovecot problem?
[20:21:20] <rob0> smtp_* settings do not affect smtpd
[20:21:29] <rob0> probably
[20:22:06] <Galaxor> Hm. smtpd_sasl_mechanism_filter was not mentioned in the docs I have. I did think that was weird.
[20:22:09] <Galaxor> Is that not a thing?
[20:23:09] <rob0> if it's not in postconf(5) manual, it does not exist
[20:23:31] <Galaxor> rob0: I guess that explains why attempting to set it just now had no effect.
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[20:24:35] <Zerberus> postconf -n reveals invalid settings in main.cf
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[20:27:24] <Galaxor> Zerberus: Confirmed: smtpd_sasl_mechanism_filter is not a real thing.
[20:28:15] <rob0> so confirmed also, this is a #dovecot issue
[20:28:59] <Galaxor> rob0: True.
[20:29:03] <Galaxor> Thanks.
[20:30:43] <rob0> I know a lot of doveconf settings are context-sensitive, so maybe you have the mechanisms in the wrong place?
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[20:33:27] <Zerberus> he is in #dovecot and has shown that auth_mechanisms is't properly set
[20:33:30] <Zerberus> isn't
[20:33:52] <rob0> ah
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[23:48:01] <philipneves> Hello, I'm having trouble with postfix. My email server has stopped sending emails. I've tried restarting postfix, amavis, postgrey, opendmarc, opendkim, and spamassasin but the program still won't send emails. I'm not sure where it stopped. It receives email fine but when I try to send email i get the following error in the mail logs: warning: connect to transport private/smtp-amavis: No such file or directory
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[23:49:31] <thumbs> !tell philipneves welcome
[23:49:31] <knoba> philipneves: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[23:52:23] <philipneves> !getting_help
[23:52:23] <knoba> philipneves: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[23:52:36] <philipneves> !relevant_logs
[23:52:36] <knoba> philipneves: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging
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[23:59:36] <philipneves> Here is my main.cf file paste. https://pastebin.com/UVduGjQH
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