December 20, 2017 
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IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[05:33:19] *** wk-work <wk-work!~quassel@2a01:600:1:0:45c:fb88:c5f2:2906> has joined #postfix[05:34:20] *** n-st <n-st!~n-st@unaffiliated/n-st> has joined #postfix[05:34:46] *** breitenj <breitenj!~breitenj@bnc.plusnull.net> has joined #postfix[05:39:57] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[05:40:05] <patdk-lap> did something happen?[05:40:10] <patdk-lap> nothing all day in here?[05:40:58] <korozion> postfix works so well, it doesn't need an active IRC channel[05:42:14] <thumbs> no, no, postscreen filtered most of it.[05:42:38] <korozion> :D[05:50:30] *** troys_ is now known as troys[06:04:09] *** kota <kota!~textual@2001:470:fd99:4:6df5:2953:5a8f:8dfd> has joined #postfix[06:27:29] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:30:04] *** aindilis 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(Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:20:34] *** jucaroba <jucaroba!~quassel@static-153-155-225-77.ipcom.comunitel.net> has joined #postfix[11:33:51] <Kelsar> peb`: you still didn'T followed the instructions[11:34:03] <Kelsar> !tell peb` getting_help[11:34:03] <knoba> peb`: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[11:40:25] *** Eamon is now known as Ellenor[12:07:05] *** tharkun <tharkun!~tharkun@unaffiliated/tharkun> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:08:00] *** tharkun <tharkun!~tharkun@kvm5.telegraphics.com.au> has joined #postfix[12:18:30] *** kryl <kryl!~kryl@91.233.116.229> has joined #postfix[12:29:51] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@unaffiliated/ogny> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.8)[12:30:00] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@85.97.122.232> has joined #postfix[12:30:00] *** 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joined #postfix[13:12:38] <Kelsar> peb`: read the backlog what patdk-lap wrote[13:14:25] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p5B313FBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:14:25] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p5B313FBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:14:25] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[13:15:44] <peb`> I did provide http://paste.debian.net/1001161/ as relevant_logs, but now it's expired, I'll produce another one. Regarding the config, my bad.[13:21:25] <peb`> my config: http://paste.debian.net/1001619/, my logs: http://paste.debian.net/1001621/, and some context: between the first and the second line, there is exactly N seconds that disappear, where N is the number of recipients. the verbose logs of smtpd show that there is a "2017-12-18T13:37:48.122613+01:00 redisdead postfix/smtpd[4857]: warning: problem talking to server ratelimit/policy: Success that arrives[13:21:27] <peb`> for each recipient, and that postfix hangs one second before[13:21:56] <peb`> continuing[13:22:19] <peb`> I'm pretty sure that investigating the origin of this warning is the solution to my actual issue.[13:22:57] <peb`> and "problem... Success" in the same log line seems weird to me, so I need some help to investigate[13:23:34] <Kelsar> peb`: the log looks fine, mails got into the system and delivered[13:23:51] <peb`> yes, they actually get where they should[13:24:03] <peb`> but it shouldn't be at such a low speed[13:24:21] <peb`> a RCPT TO shouldn't take up to 1 second per recipient[13:25:51] <Kelsar> peb`: from the 1st to the last recipient it is 1.2s for all[13:25:58] <peb`> yes[13:26:01] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:26:05] <peb`> but as I said, see the first and the second line[13:26:13] <Kelsar> 0.12[13:26:25] <peb`> 2017-12-20T13:09:21.658369+01:00 redisdead postfix/smtpd[18742]: A037A909: client=redisdead.adm.crans.org[2a06:e042:100:c804:200:9ff:fe04:1902][13:26:27] <peb`> 2017-12-20T13:09:43.821621+01:00 redisdead postfix/cleanup[20346]: A037A909: message-id=<7F493235-8ACA-41B5-A1FB-547F84928992 at crans dot org>[13:26:29] <peb`> 22 seconds[13:26:39] <peb`> the smtp transaction is done before the cleanup pass[13:26:51] <peb`> the lines after is the MX sending the mails to the delivery server[13:27:02] <peb`> they're here because I provide full logs, but irrelevant to my problem[13:27:13] <peb`> 22 seconds, 22 recipients.[13:27:29] <peb`> that is my actual issue: it shouldn't take that much time.[13:27:37] <patdk-lap> smtpd is not done[13:27:46] <patdk-lap> that is when smtpd was connected to[13:27:51] <peb`> patdk-lap: yes[13:27:57] <patdk-lap> it had to send the email, opendkim had to sign the email[13:28:00] <peb`> but that's the reason I provided verbose logs[13:28:16] <patdk-lap> no one asked for verbose logs[13:28:17] <peb`> to specifically show the issue[13:28:25] <peb`> but that's where the problem is![13:29:03] <patdk-lap> your logs don't show what smtpd was used[13:29:29] <peb`> the connection to smtpd is done by mailman when it delivers the mails to the recipients of the mailing list[13:29:37] <peb`> so there is no log in mail.log for that[13:29:39] <patdk-lap> but using what?[13:29:43] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@109.130.178.119> has joined #postfix[13:29:43] <patdk-lap> smtpd, submission or smtps[13:29:59] <peb`> smtpd[13:30:03] <patdk-lap> you failed to have them id themselfs in the config[13:30:18] <peb`> mailman delivers on port 25[13:30:30] <patdk-lap> that is a HORRIBLE idea[13:31:14] <patdk-lap> how can that even work?[13:31:22] <patdk-lap> oh, your using mynetworks, evil[13:31:49] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[13:31:49] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:31:49] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[13:32:05] <peb`> the fact that it's not the best way to do it is relevant, but not to my issue[13:32:19] <patdk-lap> it is contributing to the issue[13:32:28] <patdk-lap> cause it has to pass postscreen, and postscreen delays it[13:32:29] <peb`> and I'm eager to implement whatever configuration would be best if you wish, but I'm sure it'd change nothing[13:32:40] <patdk-lap> and anything else, like opendkim should NEVER be configured to work on port 25[13:33:10] <peb`> postscreen delays the initialization of the connection for 6 seconds, then the whole recipients are checked in the same connection so that's not the origin of such a delay[13:33:22] <peb`> and its deep protocol inspections are disabled[13:33:26] <patdk-lap> I said it's CONTRIBUTING[13:33:42] <peb`> and postcreen whitelists the client[13:33:44] <patdk-lap> there is hardly ever one problem that, fix this and your solved[13:33:46] <peb`> as the client is itself[13:33:49] <patdk-lap> it's all the little problems that add up[13:34:13] <peb`> patdk-lap: I spend two days investigating, I didn't paste the verbose logs for nothing...[13:34:30] <peb`> it's because after the warning I mentioned, postfix does nothing for exactly 1 second[13:34:31] <patdk-lap> you can post verbose logs all you want[13:34:34] <patdk-lap> but no one is going to read them[13:34:39] <peb`> and this warning occurs for every recipient[13:34:54] <patdk-lap> does nothing?[13:34:58] <peb`> NOTHING.[13:35:02] <patdk-lap> it has to do dns lookups on each recipient[13:35:30] <peb`> but it does nothing, it waits for 1 seconds and THEN continues[13:36:00] <patdk-lap> I still say this would be solved if you where not using port 25[13:36:04] <patdk-lap> that is just insane[13:36:14] <peb`> maybe it is[13:36:19] <Kelsar> you straced into the process and it just had a sleep in there? somehow i doubt that[13:36:29] <patdk-lap> but you can do what you want, ignore me and not resolve the issue[13:36:32] <peb`> but let's see an excerpt of the logs I paste[13:36:34] <peb`> 2017-12-18T13:37:48.122613+01:00 redisdead postfix/smtpd[4857]: warning: problem talking to server ratelimit/policy: Success[13:36:36] <peb`> 2017-12-18T13:37:49.117888+01:00 redisdead postfix/smtpd[4857]: auto_clnt_close: disconnect ratelimit/policy stream[13:36:39] <peb`> here is 1 second wasted[13:36:42] <peb`> nothing in between[13:36:44] <peb`> at alll[13:37:05] <peb`> and as postfix handles the recipient list sequentially, this happens for each recipient[13:37:13] <peb`> here are my 1 second by recipient[13:37:15] <patdk-lap> ya, using port25 and a broken policy deamon are your issue[13:37:19] <patdk-lap> nothing to do with postfix[13:37:25] <patdk-lap> like I said[13:37:37] <patdk-lap> if you didn't attempt to scan all this stuff as external incoming virus emails[13:37:43] <peb`> the thing is my broken policy daemon doesn't see an attempt from postfix[13:37:45] <patdk-lap> as that should be happening before it even hits mailman[13:37:50] <patdk-lap> and mailman should be using submission[13:37:53] <peb`> and what does mean "problem talking to... success"?[13:37:55] <patdk-lap> you wouldn't have this issue[13:38:20] <peb`> Success, when something succeeds, it's not a problem[13:38:23] <patdk-lap> you have postfix configured to, on policy deamon error, not to fail, so yes success[13:38:31] <patdk-lap> nothing said the policydeamon said it succeeded[13:38:50] <patdk-lap> ya, you can't read the verbose output, that is all[13:38:52] <peb`> yes, but after that second, postfix reconnects to the same daemon[13:38:57] <peb`> and this time gets an answert[13:39:00] <peb`> answer*[13:39:03] <Kelsar> peb`: no[13:39:17] <patdk-lap> your policydeamon is seriously broken[13:39:28] <patdk-lap> you shouldn't even be using port 25[13:39:31] <patdk-lap> those are your issues[13:39:38] <patdk-lap> opendkim shouldn't be using port 25[13:40:01] <peb`> regarding opendkim, why shouldn't it use port 25?[13:40:14] <peb`> it's supposed to check the opendkim signatures of incoming emails[13:40:16] <patdk-lap> why would you sign email that is KNOWN TO ONLY COME from other people?[13:40:19] <patdk-lap> that is insane[13:40:32] <patdk-lap> ah, ya, I forget people use it to check sigs also[13:40:39] <patdk-lap> but it should NEVER SIGN anything on port 25[13:40:48] <Kelsar> to be fair it signs in that setup[13:41:03] <patdk-lap> but your logs shows it did[13:41:11] <peb`> hmmm[13:41:36] <patdk-lap> otherwise every spoof email you get, it will sign[13:41:51] <peb`> yes, it signs, which is indeed wrong[13:41:57] <peb`> it's only supposed to check[13:42:11] <peb`> but that is not my issue. I'll see how to have mailman use submission[13:42:34] <peb`> regarding my policy daemon, it's a cluebringer-like daemon, which prevents our users from spamming[13:42:41] <peb`> maybe it's broken on the way it works[13:42:45] <peb`> but that's my whole point[13:42:53] <peb`> investigating what goes wrong[13:42:58] <peb`> that's why I ask for help.[13:43:04] <peb`> because I don't know how to do it.[13:44:04] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@unaffiliated/ogny> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:44:28] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@85.97.122.232> has joined #postfix[13:44:28] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@85.97.122.232> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:44:28] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@unaffiliated/ogny> has joined #postfix[13:47:08] <peb`> patdk-lap: it signs because the incoming connection is from the MX server which is entrusted by opendkim[13:47:53] <peb`> actually, opendkim has no way to be configured to only check on some ports, as it doesn't know on which port the email is coming[13:49:37] <peb`> so either I disable the milter for port 25 but then it won't be able to check the incoming mail's signatures, or we rely on this TrustedHosts feature.[13:51:45] <Kelsar> or move it to submission(587), where it belongd[13:51:47] <Kelsar> s[13:52:27] <peb`> that's the first option I stated :)[13:52:52] <peb`> the issue with my submission port is that it only permits sasl authenticated clients[13:53:10] <peb`> and mailman I don't have a sasl authentication for mailman[13:53:46] <peb`> so either I have to bend the submission port policy or I have to create an account for mailman[13:54:18] <Kelsar> create an account for mailman[13:54:25] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[13:54:42] <peb`> then I'd store a plain password in its config, it's a little unsafe, isn't it?[13:55:19] <Kelsar> who can read that? also right now everyone with mailman access can sent freely emails anyways[13:56:16] <patdk-lap> or you do what you already did, and add mynetworks to submission[13:56:34] <peb`> I'm not keen on using mynetworks[13:56:40] <peb`> it was there before I arrived[13:56:47] <peb`> and I didn't remove it because it'd break things[13:57:00] <peb`> but it's not really a good practise I think[13:58:15] <peb`> I'll have a look on it[14:06:00] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[14:22:06] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@109.130.178.119> has quit IRC (Quit: sebastienthiry)[14:23:47] *** fred_tv_ <fred_tv_!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[14:27:09] *** fred_tv <fred_tv!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[14:29:05] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:32:44] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[14:33:50] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[14:36:44] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:38:14] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[14:46:00] *** fred_tv_ <fred_tv_!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:57:48] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:58:57] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[14:59:30] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:04:13] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~muh2000@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-025.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #postfix[15:04:50] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:09:07] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:27:21] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host21-95-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:34:00] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:34:35] *** rsc <rsc!~robert@fedora/rsc> has joined #postfix[15:36:13] <rsc> I'm using "smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes" and "sender_dependent_relayhost_maps = lmdb:/..." and "smtp_sasl_password_maps = lmdb:/...", however Postfix does not authenticate to all relayhosts in sender_dependent_relayhost_maps until I set "smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes". However if it's set to yes, it also tries SMTP auth to hosts not being listed in sender_dependent_relayhost_maps at all.[15:37:57] *** Dolanyeah112 <Dolanyeah112!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[15:42:42] *** amdp <amdp!~amdp@2001:b07:644c:d4e3:3d70:f0d0:7458:f159> has joined #postfix[15:43:20] <amdp> Hello! How can I have all the phone and laptop sent email on the INBOX folder?[15:44:39] <rob0> !postfix[15:44:40] <knoba> rob0: "postfix" : The Postfix MTA from http://www.postfix.org/. If you have no idea what Postfix is then you have probably chosen the wrong channel. :)[15:44:45] <thumbs> amdp: that's a function of your IMAP software.[15:44:48] <jduggan> thats a client side question[15:45:35] <amdp> Is there a way to turn it serverside? :D[15:45:39] <rob0> no[15:45:54] <rob0> well, maybe on your imapd, but not on your MTA[15:46:00] <amdp> Otherwise I'll cry :-( (You can answer: then cry)[15:46:05] <thumbs> amdp: are you using dovecot?[15:46:18] <amdp> thumbs: yea[15:46:32] <thumbs> amdp: perfect, then you can ask #dovecot[15:47:21] <amdp> a long time ago I symlinked the folder created by the phone email to INBOX[15:47:36] <thumbs> amdp: /join #dovecot[15:47:46] <amdp> I did it again and it does not work[15:48:00] <amdp> thumbs: yes, sorry for the further messages[15:48:11] <amdp> and thank you very much guys[15:48:21] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host21-95-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[15:48:42] *** cemotyz09 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"Server certificate not verified" during smtp mean? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/a23c10fc[18:00:17] <jimpop> is that a local or remote problem?[18:01:19] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[18:01:19] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[18:01:19] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[18:02:17] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[18:02:33] <petn-randall> Hi jimpop, see the /topic how to get help in this channel.[18:02:59] <jimpop> lol[18:03:48] <jaybe> don't know that it is a problem; may mean it's for example self signed and not verified up the chain and not validated[18:07:55] <jimpop> oh great, that's a LE cert too[18:09:02] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@host235-160-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[18:09:06] <jimpop> thx jaybe, i'll write a logcheck rule to ignore it[18:09:17] <jaybe> jimpop, welcome[18:10:11] <jimpop> petn-randall: are you root on bendel?[18:10:57] <petn-randall> jimpop: -ECONTEXT?[18:11:32] <jimpop> do you admin bendel.debian.org?[18:11:46] <petn-randall> jimpop: no[18:12:03] <jimpop> ok, thx[18:15:21] <patdk-lap> the question is, why are you requiring verified?[18:16:10] <patdk-lap> I wouldn't ignore it, it is a real issue, they are not receiving your email you send to them[18:18:34] <jimpop> how do i know it is "them" unless i verify?[18:18:54] <lunaphyte> that's not how encryption works in the world of smtp[18:19:18] <lunaphyte> anyway, as petn-randall said, follow the instructions for help[18:19:29] <lunaphyte> !tell jimpop getting_help[18:19:29] <knoba> jimpop: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[18:19:32] <jimpop> lol[18:19:49] <jimpop> i've been here way to long to know not to do that. ;-)[18:19:56] <lunaphyte> quite the opposite[18:20:08] <lunaphyte> you've been here long enough to know what you need to do to get help[18:20:29] <lunaphyte> oh - here's a dismissive "friendly" emoticon for you, too: ;)[18:20:34] <jimpop> that's always leads down a rabbit trail of condsending attitudes and in the end you go !away[18:20:42] <jimpop> ;-)[18:20:48] <lunaphyte> with the wrong attitude? sure, of course[18:20:48] <jimpop> have a good day lunaphyte[18:20:51] *** amdp <amdp!~amdp@2001:b07:644c:d4e3:3d70:f0d0:7458:f159> has left #postfix[18:21:04] <lunaphyte> ew can't control your attitude, of course. that's up to you[18:21:06] <lunaphyte> *we[18:21:36] <jimpop> also ew ;-)[18:28:56] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:36:13] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[18:37:37] <rob0> ewe know what eye mean?[18:39:59] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~muh2000@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-025.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:41:05] <thumbs> rob0: you're annoying.[18:41:43] <thumbs> (yes, I know, I'm opposable)[18:49:13] <jimpop> rob0: baa[18:50:49] <rob0> wool you get a load of that[18:53:23] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-244-65.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:07:14] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~muh2000@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-025.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #postfix[19:12:23] <jimpop> it's looming![19:27:30] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:34:11] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:36:47] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:43:04] * tuxick sends jimpop to punalty box[19:45:04] *** synthroid 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better[21:07:09] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[21:17:32] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[21:21:14] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[21:21:34] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@188-23-243-104.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[21:24:04] <jimpop> it can be if it includes customer specific IPs[21:24:35] <jimpop> s/it/they/[21:25:23] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:25:45] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[21:26:30] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[21:28:37] *** sibble <sibble!~jeff@96.82.143.254> has joined #postfix[21:29:35] *** sibble <sibble!~jeff@96.82.143.254> has left #postfix[21:30:59] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[21:32:58] *** mikecmpbll 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I created the .db with postmap and reloaded the postfix server, however when now sending an email to a uiser defined in /etc/postfix/vmailbox i get a "User does not exist" message.[22:25:04] <macskay> what could that be?[22:25:41] <lunaphyte> i always wonder why there's this weird aversion to "unix users"[22:25:54] <macskay> clutters my /home[22:25:58] <lunaphyte> that is not a good reason to use virtual(8)[22:26:05] <lunaphyte> clutters?[22:26:11] <lunaphyte> that's what /home is for[22:26:42] <macskay> i only want to have users with actual physical access via ssh in home[22:27:07] <lunaphyte> why? that's just silly[22:27:17] <lunaphyte> generating a bunch of work to do that, but for no real reason :([22:27:49] <macskay> well, silly or not...it's personal preference I assume, anyway the real problem I have is why my vmailbox doesn't work :/[22:28:00] <lunaphyte> /home/ is not for accounts with ssh access. /home/ is for accounts which use the system for any number of various purposes[22:28:25] <macskay> even if so[22:28:40] <lunaphyte> well, if you get user does not exist, then that probably means virtual_mailbox_maps is wrong[22:28:54] <lunaphyte> or possibly virtual_mailbox_domains[22:28:57] <macskay> i do create it with postmap, don't i?[22:29:01] <lunaphyte> we couldn't know though, without info[22:29:10] <lunaphyte> !tell macskay getting_help[22:29:10] <knoba> macskay: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[22:29:21] <lunaphyte> [that's in the /topic][22:30:57] <macskay> yes alright: this is my config atm https://pastebin.com/KtwREJHi[22:31:08] <macskay> (parts of it)[22:31:15] <lunaphyte> eh?[22:31:20] <lunaphyte> the directions are there...[22:31:22] <lunaphyte> for getting hlpe[22:31:24] <lunaphyte> *help[22:31:33] <lunaphyte> you're not going to follow them?[22:31:51] <macskay> !relevant_logs[22:31:51] <knoba> macskay: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. 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