December 17, 2017 
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I am trying to setup DKIM with postfix and failing badly. What i got so far is "warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock: No such file or directory"[17:41:01] *** Columbo0815 <Columbo0815!~foobar@149.172.2.93> has quit IRC (Quit: Verlassend)[17:41:28] *** impy <impy!~textual@ptr-g1zxlv27xmzlw2r3z3j.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:43:33] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@pa49-195-144-243.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:47:16] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[17:58:36] *** bodom <bodom!~bodom@host229-127-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has left #postfix[18:02:45] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:24:29] *** RaiNerTsuFal <RaiNerTsuFal!~RaiNerTsu@89.187.142.244> has quit IRC (Quit: Conversation terminated!)[18:31:08] *** impy <impy!~textual@ptr-g1zxlv623dzhjrrzo23.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #postfix[18:44:16] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:c74:af6a:ef72:f0b1> has joined #postfix[18:51:35] *** impy <impy!~textual@ptr-g1zxlv623dzhjrrzo23.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:53:20] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[19:01:24] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:10:11] *** u435607 <u435607!~u435607@ip-84-118-211-178.unity-media.net> has joined #postfix[19:20:27] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b820bc1e0014ec25211263b56a.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #postfix[19:21:02] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:29:02] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:33:26] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:c74:af6a:ef72:f0b1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:35:59] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[19:41:23] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:45:16] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[19:47:53] <peb`> hi, I have a default_destination_recipient_limit of 50, the thing is that most mailman mailing lists on my server have more than 50 users, so it slows down a lot the delivery, how could I change this limit for smtp delivery, but only when the mail comes from $list-bounces at lists dot example.com?[19:48:26] *** impy <impy!~textual@ptr-g1zxlv623dzhjrrzo23.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #postfix[19:50:06] *** mcp <mcp!~mcp@wolk-project.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[19:50:54] *** Ellenor is now known as Reinhilde[19:53:11] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:54:19] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[20:07:11] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:08:32] *** souther <souther!~souther@2605:6400:1:fed5:22:1ac:61c0:e24e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:26:14] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:28:05] *** uebera|| <uebera||!ueberall_l@unaffiliated/ueberall> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:29:56] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host21-95-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[20:30:01] <peb`> actually, my issue is a bit different[20:31:17] <peb`> when mailman tries to send an email, let's say to 45 recipients, this happens: http://paste.debian.net/1001161/[20:31:42] <peb`> so it takes exactly 45 seconds from smtpd connection arrival to cleanup activity[20:31:50] <peb`> one per recipient[20:31:55] <peb`> (one second)[20:31:59] <peb`> where could it come from?[20:35:14] <bipolar> Does anyone know of a way to do the opposite of leaf_result_attribute, and exclude the value of an attribute only from the expanded entry? I've pastebin'ed my test case here: https://pastebin.com/qvYgYYma[20:39:55] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[20:41:34] *** uebera|| <uebera||!ueberall_l@node1.projektzentrisch.de> has joined #postfix[20:41:34] *** uebera|| <uebera||!ueberall_l@node1.projektzentrisch.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:41:34] *** uebera|| <uebera||!ueberall_l@unaffiliated/ueberall> has joined #postfix[20:45:18] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[20:50:45] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:51:16] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:52:43] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:53:46] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@109.130.178.119> has quit IRC (Quit: sebastienthiry)[20:54:18] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[20:59:27] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-246-102.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: rsx)[21:02:09] *** masuberu <masuberu!~Masber@27-32-116-21.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:28:03] <lunaphyte> !tell peb` getting_help[21:28:04] <knoba> peb`: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[21:32:41] <lunaphyte> bipolar: so currently your lookup returns test.user at example dot com but you want it to return test.user at example dot com,group_external@gmail.com?[21:33:12] <bipolar> lunaphyte: yes... and NOT user_external at gmail dot com[21:33:21] <bipolar> I can get both, or neither, currently[21:33:29] <lunaphyte> you'll probably need to explain the use case for us[21:33:37] <lunaphyte> what setting is this map used with?[21:34:45] <bipolar> This is for a mostly internal mailing list defined in ldap. gosaMailForwardingAddress in the group is for external addresses. The internal addresses are pulled from the user's ldap record.[21:35:34] <bipolar> However, if I include gosaMailForwardingAddress from the user record, it's going to send mail to the users forwarding address (if it's set) along with their internal one.[21:36:18] <bipolar> This is a recipient map[21:36:32] <bipolar> Well, it will be. I'm not using it at all yet.[21:38:10] *** DTZUZU <DTZUZU!~DTZUZU@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)[21:38:59] <bipolar> leaf_result_attribute will exclude an attribute from the original query only, but I need something to exclude an attribute from the expanded query, but not the original.[21:45:01] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure why you're not simply answering my actual question[21:45:10] <lunaphyte> [15.33.37] lunaphyte: what setting is this map used with?[21:45:48] <bipolar> Am I answering the wrong question with :[15:36] <bipolar> This is a recipient map[21:46:23] <lunaphyte> WHAT[21:46:24] <lunaphyte> SETTING[21:49:04] <bipolar> I'm only trying to get it working with a postmap query right now. This is an ldap query run with postmap -q trying to return the recipient emails for all the users in the group, along with any external addresses.[21:49:19] <lunaphyte> this is ridiculous[21:49:21] <bipolar> I don't understand what you are asking for with a 'setting'. everything is in the postbin[21:49:32] <bipolar> damn... pastebin[21:49:40] <lunaphyte> does this honestly need to be spelled out like this? sigh[21:49:51] *** TAARs <TAARs!~user@unaffiliated/taars> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:49:55] <lunaphyte> you intended to place this map into your config, yes?[21:50:04] <bipolar> lunaphyte: Eventually, as a recipient map[21:50:10] <lunaphyte> WHAT SETTING?[21:50:42] <lunaphyte> are you going to put: recipient map = ldap:/etc/postfix/mailing_lists_local.ldap ?[21:50:51] <lunaphyte> if so, that is not going to work[21:50:58] <bipolar> virtual_alias_maps probably[21:51:04] <bipolar> That's where my others are set up.[21:51:05] <lunaphyte> finally, jesus[21:51:24] <bipolar> lunaphyte: it's pointless to know that, if the LDAP query can't return the results desired.[21:51:30] *** TAARs <TAARs!~user@unaffiliated/taars> has joined #postfix[21:51:32] <bipolar> ?[21:51:42] <lunaphyte> um[21:52:03] <lunaphyte> telling people from whom you seek help what they do and don't need to know is not a good way to get help dude.[21:52:21] <bipolar> fair enough[21:54:14] <bipolar> To be honest I hadn't gotten to where it goes in main.cf, since I can't get it to return the results.[21:54:38] <lunaphyte> all i can say is that's backwards[21:55:02] <bipolar> I have 5 other ldap queries in virtual_alias_maps, but they don't require expansion.[21:55:18] <bipolar> Backwards?[21:56:05] <lunaphyte> can you state the overall goal of what you're trying to achieve with this?[21:56:44] <lunaphyte> "i want to have an alias that expands to members of groups fo, bar, baz" or such[21:57:00] <lunaphyte> it's difficult to make clear sense of the overall goal so far[21:57:15] <bipolar> I have a main email address defined in a group. The group has a 'mail' attribute. The group also has a mail forwarding attribute.[21:57:16] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:58:09] <bipolar> The incoming mail, that matches 'mail' in the group, should be sent to the 'mail' attribute in all the members of the group, as well as the mail forwarding attribute.[21:58:18] <bipolar> but NOT the mail forwarding attribute on the members[22:01:54] <bipolar> The manpage for ldap_table says about leaf_result_attribute "To only return the attribute values from the leaf objects and not the containing group, add the attribute to the leaf_result_attribute list, and not the result_attribute list, which is always expanded."[22:02:39] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[22:03:03] <bipolar> This is the problem. If I want the mail forwarding attribute to be part of result_attribute, I can't stop it from being part of the output for the expanded entries.[22:05:23] <lunaphyte> just off of the top of my head, you it may be necessary to split that into two separate lookups[22:05:31] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b820bc1e0014ec25211263b56a.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[22:05:32] <lunaphyte> *,it may be[22:06:39] *** mcp <mcp!~mcp@wolk-project.de> has joined #postfix[22:06:44] <lunaphyte> another approach, probably more sane, would be to not populate your ldap tree in that manner[22:07:15] <lunaphyte> why does a group entry have gosaMailAlternateAddress and gosaMailForwardingAddress?[22:07:34] <bipolar> lunaphyte: unfortunately I cannot change the ldap schema. other systems depend on it.[22:07:37] <lunaphyte> that's probably the crux of your issue right there, speaking from the perspective of sane dit design[22:07:49] <lunaphyte> the schema doesn't need to be changed[22:08:16] <bipolar> gosaMailAlternateAddress is a list of aliases for the group. gosaMailForwardingAddress is for external addresses to copy to.[22:08:46] <bipolar> s/schema/layout[22:08:59] <lunaphyte> oh[22:09:21] <lunaphyte> i guess, while we're on the topic, we should cover that forwarding mail to third party systems is also a big no no[22:09:23] <bipolar> if I can do multiple searches and combine them, that would be fine.[22:09:24] <lunaphyte> !mantras[22:09:25] <knoba> lunaphyte: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[22:10:53] <bipolar> yeah I can see how that would be an issue in many cases.[22:11:12] <lunaphyte> not many - all ;)[22:11:25] <lunaphyte> so - the lookup should match mail: for objectClass: groupOfNames [or such], and should expand to mail: for all member: attributes?[22:12:25] <bipolar> This is mail that is accepted locally, and the local system forwards the mail to the users forwarding address if they have it set up. It's the same for this group address. I don't know of a way to accomplish this is an non-mantra-defying way.[22:12:46] <lunaphyte> the point is you can't be forwarding mail from other systems off to gmail[22:13:23] <lunaphyte> it's a side note, here, because you'd still have the same problem even if the destination addresses were systems you ran[22:14:21] <bipolar> agreed. this is a manufactured test case to solve this issue.[22:14:41] <bipolar> less confusing than 'example3.com', etc[22:16:02] <bipolar> Now, my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is that if I have multiple ldap files defined under virtual_alias_maps, postfix stops running them as soon as it gets a result.[22:16:39] <bipolar> If I could define two separate searches, and merge the results, that could solve thi[22:17:17] <bipolar> that is, if there's not a way to solve it in the single search, which is what I was looking for.[22:18:30] <lunaphyte> you can do that with unionmap[22:18:36] <lunaphyte> see database_readme[22:19:39] <bipolar> that should do it[22:20:47] <bipolar> It's to bad postfix doesn't have a mirror of leaf_result_attribute, but this should be a workaround[22:22:19] <bipolar> Thanks lunaphyte[22:22:29] <lunaphyte> sure thing, good lluck[22:22:31] <lunaphyte> *luck[22:22:32] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:c74:af6a:ef72:f0b1> has joined #postfix[22:23:12] <lunaphyte> it's also possible that you might be able to come up with a single query to get you what you want, but i've go to focus on other stuff right now and can't spend a lot of time thinking about it[22:23:16] <lunaphyte> *got to[22:23:45] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[22:31:03] <bipolar> np[22:33:49] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[22:33:51] *** mcp <mcp!~mcp@wolk-project.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:11:37] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[23:12:50] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[23:16:30] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:00] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[23:27:11] *** brend769 <brend769!~qomxbvfz@76-219-72-90.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[23:27:12] *** kinderd517 <kinderd517!~opqor@c-73-211-102-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[23:27:13] *** brend769 <brend769!~qomxbvfz@76-219-72-90.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:27:15] *** kinderd517 <kinderd517!~opqor@c-73-211-102-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:28:41] *** albech <albech!~Thunderbi@5.103.131.12> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:28:52] *** albech <albech!~Thunderbi@5.103.131.12> has joined #postfix[23:29:12] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@79.38.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:35:35] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:38:19] *** u435607 <u435607!~u435607@ip-84-118-211-178.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:38:25] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[23:39:05] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:40:27] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:42:41] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[23:55:57] *** pelegreno_ <pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:56:33] *** kenyon <kenyon!kenyon@darwin.kenyonralph.com> has quit IRC (K-Lined)[23:59:10] *** kenyon <kenyon!kenyon@darwin.kenyonralph.com> has joined #postfix