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[03:38:56] <samy1028b> Hello all, if I have opendkim as a milter in postfix and I add a new key for signing to opendkim, can I just restart opendkim to load the key or do I have to restart postfix also?
[03:39:23] <samy1028b> Along with that, what happens to email being processed by postfix if opendkim is temporarily unavailable during the opendkim restart?
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[04:12:42] <pj> samy1028b: you won't need to restart postfix.
[04:12:50] <pj> !tell samy1028b milter_default_action
[04:12:50] <knoba> pj: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[04:12:55] <pj> bleh
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[04:13:30] <pj> the answer to your second question depends on the setting of milter_default_action.  By default it will tempfail with a 4xx status code.
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[04:20:12] <samy1028b> pj, thank you, I'll take a look at that.
[04:22:33] <samy1028b> pj, my default is accept right now in testing.
[04:22:54] <samy1028b> it looks like I want tempfail so that it'll force a retry once opendkim completes restarting
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[04:36:32] <pj> samy1028b: yes, tempfail is recommended and is the default setting for postfix.
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[04:53:20] <samy1028b> pj, interesting in that most opendkim howto's have "accept" instead of "tempfail"
[04:53:37] <samy1028b> At least those that I've read and are applicable to the distro's I'm running.
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[04:55:51] <pj> it all depends.  for signing submission you may rather have accept since it will not cause submission issues that way, but you'll end up with unsigned mail instead.  Most MUAs are not capable of deferring mail.
[04:57:38] <pj> also I would not go blindly following random instructions on the internet.
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[11:48:56] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting the following error, can someone help?   postfix/smtpd[14139]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[82.208.150.238]: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [82.208.150.238]; from=<Gabi.Constantinescu at toi-toi dot ro> to=<andrei.marc at twconstruct dot ro> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail.toi-toi.ro>
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[12:11:37] <Kelsar> Rembo: well, fix your hostname and DNS
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[12:44:21] <eschmidb_> hi
[12:46:09] <eschmidb_> im setting up an email server using postfix. my outbound messages fail
[12:46:26] <eschmidb_> for some reason my server cannot connect to other smtp servers
[12:46:35] <eschmidb_> for example.... google's
[12:46:38] <eschmidb_> telnet 108.177.96.26 25
[12:46:41] <eschmidb_> times out.
[12:46:45] <eschmidb_> any ideas as to why?
[12:49:18] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: If you can't even telnet out, it's unrelated to postfix.
[12:49:26] <eschmidb_> yeah i figured that
[12:49:36] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: Do you have a firewall on the server? A consumer internet connection?
[12:49:41] <eschmidb_> but there is absolutely no iptables setup on this machine
[12:49:47] <eschmidb_> it's a VM at vultr
[12:49:53] <eschmidb_> debian 9
[12:50:18] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: Chances are they filter outgoing 25/tcp. I'd check their terms and conditions.
[12:50:40] <eschmidb_> petn-randall: .... yeah so did i do something wrong? how do you setup a commercial email server?
[12:50:48] <eschmidb_> or am i using the wrong port?
[12:51:17] <eschmidb_> seems like my server is being blocked on port 25 by everyone
[12:51:25] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: You're using the right port, but maybe vultr simply doesn't allow it. I'd check with them. If there's no possibility to deactivate it, you need to host it somewhere else.
[12:51:42] <eschmidb_> wow that is insane if they do
[12:52:00] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: Not that uncommon as you think.
[12:52:06] <eschmidb_> https://discuss.vultr.com/discussion/430/smtp-block-is-unreasonable
[12:52:12] <eschmidb_> holy fuck.. those bastards
[12:52:47] <tuxick> ah, good for them
[12:53:31] <tuxick> more providers should do that
[12:55:22] <eschmidb_> haha
[12:55:36] <eschmidb_> i've run my own email server for like 3 years... it's never been hacked
[12:56:06] <eschmidb_> i think there should be an exception for some of us that know what we are doing
[12:57:04] <eschmidb_> may have to setup an smtp relay server elsewhere...
[12:57:09] <eschmidb_> which is easy enough i guess
[12:58:08] <petn-randall> eschmidb_: You can always use any other reputable mail service provider for authenticated relaying.
[12:58:20] <petn-randall> That goes via 587/tcp, so that's not blocked.
[12:58:30] <eschmidb_> yea i know... i've setup smtp relay before
[12:58:40] <eschmidb_> id rather *not* pay a provider
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[12:59:13] <eschmidb_> im more of a DIY linux person-- i like to be in control of my server... i run my own DNS, Email, Web, and VoIP
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[13:00:43] <tuxick> vultr doesn't want to end up getting their network blacklisted
[13:00:59] <tuxick> quite sensible
[13:03:45] <petn-randall> Well, they don't want to do the work of contacting the users for them to fix the broken mail service. Less work meaning lower prices for their customers.
[13:04:41] <eschmidb_> yea i get it
[13:04:57] <eschmidb_> they already replied saying they block it by default but can unblock on request
[13:05:03] <eschmidb_> that is smart of them
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[13:16:04] <tuxick> as mentioned on that page
[13:17:32] <tuxick> and if by "commercail email server" you mean sending bulk, i guess you can forget that :)
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[17:50:44] <dvl> Help me understand this bit please.  Previously, this entry (root: dan at langille dot org) in /etc/mail/aliases made use that mail to root got to me.  After adding 'myorigin = freshports.org' to the config, so that the outgoing mail had a valid domain (as opposed to x8dtu-nginx01.vpn.unixathome.org), now mail to root is address to root at FreshPorts dot org. I guess aliases is now ignored.   Configuration here: https://gist.github.com/dlangille/c5b252a81fc45b09344425
[17:50:44] <dvl> d3eca1ac5c
[17:50:50] <dvl> oh.. try https://gist.github.com/dlangille/c5b252a81fc45b09344425d3eca1ac5c
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[17:57:07] <dvl> use?  I meant sure.
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[18:09:37] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin
[18:09:37] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : Append the string"@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information. WARNING: do not change this without understanding what it means, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#append_at_myorigin
[18:10:37] <rob0> generally (but not necessarily, as you have found) $myorigin is in $mydestination
[18:12:11] <dvl> knoba: I recall reading that doc when researching myorigin.
[18:13:30] <dvl> rob0: It appears my use case fits the use of that.
[18:15:40] <dvl> Made the change, then tested with echo testing_append_at_myorigin | mail  ... to both root and dan.. both got through.
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[18:15:57] <dvl> rob0: Thank you. This is not the first time you've helped me understand.  Cheers.
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[18:52:05] <rob0> Did you change append_at_myorigin?  If so that was surely the wrong fix.  The fix, more likely, is that you'd put list the myorigin domain in mydestination, assuming that's where you want <user> (unqualified localpart) mail to go.
[18:53:12] <dvl> rob0: Yes, I changed that.  There is no local delivery on this server.  All mail goes somewhere else.  There is no incoming mail either.
[19:08:53] <rob0> hmm, I dunno, but I wouldn't have done it that way.  I would probably have switched from using aliases(5) to virtual(5)
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[21:36:18] <dvl> rob0: I thought about virtuals too.  That was my initial thought.
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[21:57:59] <jay0322_>  Need some help setting up SMTP on my Centos server.  Keep getting "504 Need Fully Qualified Address"
[21:58:39] <thumbs> !tell jay0322_ welcome
[21:58:39] <knoba> jay0322_: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[22:00:43] <patdk-lap> !fcrdns
[22:00:44] <knoba> patdk-lap: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost
[22:03:56] <jay0322_> My customer is hosting the exchange server.  My Centos server is a web server running in the cloud.  I'm trying to bounce mail off of their exchange server so that mail going to their clients will show their domain name.
[22:04:11] <dvl> rob0: Virtual done.  Tested.  Seems fine.  Replaced append_at_myorigin  with virtual_alias_maps.  see https://gist.github.com/dlangille/c5b252a81fc45b09344425d3eca1ac5c
[22:09:15] <patdk-lap> !tell jay0322_ getting_help
[22:09:15] <knoba> jay0322_: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[22:12:12] <jay0322_> Can some explain the rules?
[22:12:37] <patdk-lap> rules?
[22:12:49] <lunaphyte> we can definitely help, sure
[22:13:09] <lunaphyte> what specifically are you looking to have explained?
[22:15:28] <jay0322_> I'm just trying to figure out the proper way to ask a questions.  I'm new to this group as well as IRC.
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[22:20:07] <lunaphyte> oh - well, just follow those instructions
[22:21:06] <thumbs> jay0322_: did you read what knoba said?
[22:21:28] <jay0322_> I am reading that now.  Thanks
[22:22:23] <lunaphyte> the cool part about the instructions is that pretty much always, once they get followed, the question formulates itself
[22:22:43] <lunaphyte> so most often, you don't even need to worry about that
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[22:25:16] <jay0322_> I see. Thanks.
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