December 11, 2017 
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(Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:48:47] *** bweston92 <bweston92!uid187776@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cifztbeyztcfpebl> has joined #postfix[09:49:32] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[09:55:34] <cgt> ArchNoob: Sure[09:57:21] <ArchNoob> Yeah, I just realised that my problems on receiving mails are from iptables. Sucks ![09:58:16] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host187-144-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[10:18:58] *** ebrasca <ebrasca!~user@host-198.58.elzappero.net> has left #postfix ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.2.1)")[10:19:14] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host187-144-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:29:38] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[10:32:17] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@kite.riseup.net> has joined #postfix[10:43:21] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:50:21] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:57:18] *** pijiu <pijiu!~pijiu@unaffiliated/pijiu> has joined #postfix[10:57:36] *** Jellyg00se <Jellyg00se!~Alfie@195.99.134.162> has joined #postfix[11:00:28] *** rsx 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(Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:39:22] *** mario <mario!~mario@unaffiliated/mario> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[14:39:38] *** mario <mario!~mario@85.10.51.242> has joined #postfix[14:39:39] *** mario <mario!~mario@85.10.51.242> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:39:39] *** mario <mario!~mario@unaffiliated/mario> has joined #postfix[14:43:12] *** aaap <aaap!~aaap@unaffiliated/aaap> has joined #postfix[14:43:16] <aaap> hey guys[14:43:21] <aaap> may i know do you whitelist gmail?[14:44:56] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[14:45:35] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@hq.m3team.it> has joined #postfix[14:45:59] <jaybe> why[14:46:09] <steeling> aaap: no, spam from gmail is still spam[14:48:23] <aaap> my server reject[14:48:38] <aaap> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-pf0-f173.google.com[209.85.192.173]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [209.85.192.173] blocked using spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?209.85.192.173;[14:48:51] <lunaphyte> yup, quite typical[14:49:30] <aaap> lunaphyte: should i whitelist google?[14:49:57] <jaybe> again, why[14:49:59] <lunaphyte> do you want spam from google?[14:50:14] <peb`> aaap: you shouldn't[14:50:42] <aaap> peb`: will be missing out some mail if i don't[14:50:55] <aaap> btw, is spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net , ok?[14:51:28] <jaybe> I think it comes down to, if you want to white list something then do it but span is spam and if your white listing one provider what stops you from white listing another?[14:51:47] <peb`> aaap: as far as I can tell, google have plenty mail servers including some that are not blacklisted, so the mail would eventually arrive[14:52:01] <peb`> or else the sender will receive some bounce[14:52:20] <peb`> but if this server sends spam, it's kind of normal that it's blacklisted[14:52:46] <aaap> jaybe, ok[14:53:35] <lunaphyte> if you're not using postscreen, you should be, btw[14:54:09] <aaap> lunaphyte: my postfix is 2.6.6 :D[14:54:13] <aaap> no postscreen yet[14:54:34] <aaap> btw, the advantage of postscreen is help smtp?[14:54:54] <jaybe> !cheatsheet[14:54:55] <knoba> jaybe: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2017-07-06, now requires Postfix 2.11+)[14:54:56] <lunaphyte> aaap: um, that's ridiculous. why[14:55:03] <lunaphyte> aaap: you need to updgrade[14:55:10] <lunaphyte> !tell aaap postscreen[14:55:10] <knoba> aaap: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available since Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html[14:56:12] <aaap> jaybe: i use some of the jimsun tips[14:56:25] <aaap> lunaphyte: what is the major beneift with postscreen?[14:56:39] <jaybe> can you find out like 12 seconds by just visiting the post screen page?[14:56:43] <lunaphyte> aaap: CLICK the link.[14:56:48] <lunaphyte> aaap: READ the text...[14:56:49] <lunaphyte> sheesh[14:56:58] <aaap> :D[14:57:00] <aaap> okok[14:57:07] <lunaphyte> asking people here to regurgitate what has already been written and is readily available :([14:57:21] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:57:37] <aaap> postscreen help postfix to do smtp and spam filtering at the same time...[14:57:42] <aaap> :D[14:58:29] <aaap> by default, postscreen is equip with anti-spam feature???[14:58:39] <aaap> As the first layer, postscreen(8) blocks connections from zombies and other spambots that are responsible for about 90% of all spam. It is implemented as a single process to make this defense as inexpensive as possible.[14:59:59] <lunaphyte> yes[15:02:01] *** shaytan <shaytan!~shaytan@31-208-8-193.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:03:39] *** aero-224 <aero-224!~aero-224@DSL-vlan426-66-18-218-182.broadband.nucleus.com> has joined #postfix[15:03:42] <aaap> lunaphyte: i run a few domains ..[15:03:58] <aaap> don't think it will be a big problem[15:06:15] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@hexen.cgv.tugraz.at> has joined #postfix[15:06:47] <aaap> Worf: from austria?[15:17:13] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:17:47] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216.75.116.100> has joined #postfix[15:18:20] *** shaytan <shaytan!~shaytan@31-208-8-193.cust.bredband2.com> has joined #postfix[15:25:52] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:28:18] <Worf> aaap: yep[15:28:47] <aaap> Worf: is it below 10 deg and snowing heavily?[15:29:40] *** pijiu <pijiu!~pijiu@unaffiliated/pijiu> has joined #postfix[15:31:56] <Worf> /msg - ing to keep the off topic out of the channel. I remember i actually had a question![15:33:24] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[15:34:50] <Worf> i would like to restrict the usage of some email adresses (basically aliases that go to a bunch of people) to be only used by local authenticated users. 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I've installed amavis and with spamassassin, but it's not great.[16:44:07] <kmq> I'd really like to avoid having to do content filtering if I don't have to: Is there something that I am not aware of that postfix can do in this situation other than postscreen protocol checks and dnsbls ?[16:45:24] <kmq> to be precise: I do helo and reverse hostname checking as well[16:49:53] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[16:49:54] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[16:49:54] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[16:50:02] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216.75.116.100> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:52:03] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[16:52:34] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:54:22] <lunaphyte> amavis+spamassassin work very well, but not until the admin actually invests the time to comprehensively configure them[16:57:47] <lunaphyte> in my experience, the majority of the time performance is sub par is because this has not actually been done[16:58:06] *** aero-224 <aero-224!~aero-224@DSL-vlan426-66-18-218-182.broadband.nucleus.com> has left #postfix[16:58:14] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:59:06] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[17:02:45] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:02:47] *** Wulf <Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[17:03:24] *** Wulf <Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf> has joined #postfix[17:13:19] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:15:35] *** Wulf <Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:19:26] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[17:28:14] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[17:34:36] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:36:20] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[17:36:21] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:36:21] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[17:43:16] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[17:45:06] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[17:46:17] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[17:51:03] <kmq> That seems like its correct... I was just wondering if its worth the effort to do so. Reading between your lines that seems to be so.[17:52:19] <kmq> it's just that postfix seems a whole lot easier to configure than those two. I guess Ill get to work then. Thanks.[17:54:11] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:54:54] *** Olipro <Olipro!~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:55:31] <lunaphyte> the reason i did it is because it was worth it to me[17:55:37] *** Olipro <Olipro!~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro> has joined #postfix[17:55:45] <lunaphyte> but i can't tell anyone else what will happen for them[17:55:52] *** Jellyg00se <Jellyg00se!~Alfie@195.99.134.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:57:16] <lunaphyte> what i can tell you is that it's a mistake to regard the two pieces as alternatives as one another[17:57:27] <lunaphyte> rather, it's a question of order of operations[17:57:46] <lunaphyte> first, postscreen. then if appropriate, content filtering[17:58:17] *** the_doc <the_doc!~george@2a02:2149:8138:4400:91d2:faa3:5891:ae19> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:01:26] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[18:01:36] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:04:20] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[18:14:23] <kmq> Welll yes. I have postscreen working and I think I took it as far as I feel comfortable, amavis+sa feels like the natural progression on top of that. I was just wondering if there's maybe something clever I could do with postfix that I was not aware of, that sits between protocol tests and dnsbls, and content filtering[18:19:45] <lunaphyte> there is a middle ground, yeah[18:20:21] <lunaphyte> i regard the order of operations as: 1] comprehensive smtp restrictions, 2] postscreen, 3] content filtering[18:21:14] <lunaphyte> there's a fourth, policy servers, which could be included, and it could also be debated as to where in the procession it belongs[18:21:21] *** Columbo0815 <Columbo0815!~foobar@HSI-KBW-149-172-2-93.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #postfix[18:21:43] *** Wulf <Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf> has joined #postfix[18:21:51] <lunaphyte> [whether it should be before or after 3][18:32:00] <kmq> But what would a policy server check thats not covered by 1] 2] or 3] ? Dkim and spf come to mind, but the class of spam Im receiving passes all those.[18:32:25] <kmq> I could try some regex on client hostnames for some of them I guess, and reject that. But thats would almost be one entry per host. 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I find that almost all of the spam I recieve does[19:50:24] <steeling> would it be best to go down the route of spamassassin rules?[19:50:31] *** ztane <ztane!ztane@lakka.kapsi.fi> has joined #postfix[19:54:27] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:58:11] <rob0> How do you define "from" a domain? Do you mean the client PTR hostname? Or "MAIL FROM:<sender at example dot ml>"? Or the HELO/EHLO name?[19:59:17] <rob0> You have to answer that first, but the answer is probably something of check_mumble_access, where "mumble" could be client, sender or helo.[20:00:05] <steeling> my bad, I meant the supplied From header, but I've realised that's a silly question since postfix doesn't really deal with that header...?[20:00:35] <rob0> right[20:00:43] <steeling> if I'm right in assuming that, I'll go down SA route. Thanks[20:00:49] <rob0> you are[20:00:57] *** gaab <gaab!~Gaaab@46.166.142.220> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:02:17] <lunaphyte> well, postfix handles headers just fine[20:03:08] <lunaphyte> but it's probably not a good idea to act in that manner, based on that criteria.[20:03:18] <lunaphyte> more importantly, it's definitely not a good idea to be dropping mail.[20:03:26] <lunaphyte> mail should be rejected. not dropped[20:03:28] <lunaphyte> !mantras[20:03:29] <knoba> lunaphyte: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[20:07:49] *** visip <visip!~visix@gateway/tor-sasl/visip> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:08:50] *** visip <visip!~visix@gateway/tor-sasl/visip> has joined #postfix[20:09:09] <steeling> lunaphyte: I'll keep that in mind, the mail server is just for my personal use but I get that I should avoid bad habits[20:09:28] <lunaphyte> yeah, personal use or not has exactly zero relevance[20:09:58] <steeling> lunaphyte: the first three of the mantras make sense, but I'm unsure of the fourth?[20:11:05] *** ztane <ztane!ztane@lakka.kapsi.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:11:12] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[20:11:56] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~muh2000@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-025.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:12:04] *** ztane <ztane!ztane@lakka.kapsi.fi> has joined #postfix[20:14:44] <lunaphyte> um, was there a question?[20:15:53] *** gaab <gaab!~Gaaab@host189-139-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[20:20:50] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:21:24] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:21:48] <steeling> what's the reason behind "do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[20:27:54] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[20:31:01] <pj> steeling: several reasons, actually.[20:32:00] <pj> It breaks SPF, it breaks DMARC, you end up forwarding SPAM which makes your server look like the source of that SPAM and affects your IP reputation.[20:34:09] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-241-160.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: rsx)[20:34:45] <steeling> pj: that makes sense, thank you![20:36:32] <lunaphyte> here's the more abstract headline: it never was right or good, but because of the climate out on the internet, one could "get away" with it. unfortunately, since many folks are rather simpleminded, this was often conflated with it being "good" :([20:37:44] <lunaphyte> now, rather than something having specifically changed, fundamentally, it's just being much more prominently exhibited[20:55:51] *** ztane <ztane!ztane@lakka.kapsi.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:56:49] *** ztane 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<DzAirmaX!~DzAirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has joined #postfix[23:01:35] *** pijiu <pijiu!~pijiu@unaffiliated/pijiu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:03:29] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@185.64.105.109> has joined #postfix[23:05:31] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:16:13] <timeless> does anyone know if http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/Adding-multiple-headers-td74474.html 's offer of an easy way to do multiple prepends happened?[23:17:32] *** troys is now known as troys_[23:19:16] <rob0> if it was, it would be documented in header_checks.5.html[23:19:26] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[23:20:26] <timeless> ok, it looks like it isn't there in http://www.postfix.org/header_checks.5.html[23:20:53] *** gaab <gaab!~Gaaab@host189-139-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:21:26] <rob0> nag him ;)[23:22:03] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@79.38.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:23:17] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has joined #postfix[23:23:38] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[23:23:45] <lunaphyte> you might be thinking of the pipemap map type[23:24:06] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:24:31] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:28:15] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:29:39] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:29:42] <timeless> lunaphyte: ?[23:30:45] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[23:30:53] <timeless> Isn't ARC the solution to the fourth mantra?[23:31:56] <timeless> (ignoring any political opinions about "don't forward mail")[23:32:36] <timeless> (so far i have been using SPF for a while and got DKIM partially deployed today, DMARC is next week's headache, and I'll see about open-arc next year)[23:33:31] <lunaphyte> if arc includes a mechanism for trust, it could be, perhaps[23:33:46] <timeless> so... is there a way to add two headers today w/o using a milter? i tried using header_checks = x \n header_checks = y -- but i think that the last one won, which isn't what i wanted[23:34:42] <timeless> https://threatpost.com/google-moving-gmail-to-strict-dmarc-implementation/115125/[23:35:00] <lunaphyte> did you try pipemap?[23:35:56] *** musca` <musca`!musca@tyrael.eu> has left #postfix[23:36:23] <lunaphyte> the part about "political opinions" though is not really practical to just indiscriminately discard[23:36:34] * timeless shrugs[23:36:46] <timeless> right now i'm suffering from barracuda blackmailing me[23:36:59] <timeless> there's a classic opinion about not being required to pay ransoms, but they don't seem to care[23:37:50] <timeless> is there an example of actually using pipemap?[23:39:37] <rob0> barracuda? Doing "deep header inspection"?[23:41:48] <timeless> i have no ****'ing clue what it's doing[23:41:58] <timeless> it just has declared my mail server as non-grata repeatedly[23:42:01] <timeless> it does not explain why[23:42:19] <timeless> i can pay to register with their "org" if i want a better chance of not being marked as a spammer[23:42:39] * timeless wonders who is responsible for /var/spool/postfix/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt[23:46:44] *** MacWinner <MacWinner!~Blah@136.24.54.73> has joined #postfix[23:51:28] *** troys_ is now known as troys[23:52:38] <lunaphyte> what do you mean who is responsible?[23:53:00] <lunaphyte> it's just a copy of /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt, generated by the init mechanism[23:58:12] <timeless> `init` ?[23:58:32] <timeless> in my case, `postfix check` complained: postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt and /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt differ[23:59:00] <timeless> i understand what that means. but i'm wondering if a package should have registered a hook to be told about updates to the canonical version of the file[23:59:05] <timeless> so that it wouldn't diverge for long