December 7, 2017 
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December 7, 2017 [00:01:23] *** inferus-vir <inferus-vir!~inferus-v@185.92.26.55> has joined #postfix[00:05:06] *** albech <albech!~Thunderbi@5.103.131.12> has quit IRC (Quit: albech)[00:07:23] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[00:08:04] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has joined #postfix[00:12:10] *** situ` <situ`!~situ@server.renzetti.me> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[00:17:17] *** fred_tv <fred_tv!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:17:35] *** MajPotatohead <MajPotatohead!~harold@unaffiliated/majpotatohead> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:18:14] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:a896:16c4:807f:eb6f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:18:54] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[00:35:08] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:c74:af6a:ef72:f0b1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:39:18] *** dka <dka!~code-is-a@master-sbg-01.kopaxgroup.com> has joined #postfix[00:40:02] *** inferus-vir <inferus-vir!~inferus-v@185.92.26.55> has quit IRC (Quit: Time is fluid - stop counting & learn to swim!)[00:43:30] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host187-144-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:44:10] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:410d:3980:8c4d:4b85> has joined #postfix[00:57:06] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@kite.riseup.net> has joined #postfix[01:01:16] *** Oclairi <Oclairi!~Oclair@194-166-16-75.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye Bye)[01:02:26] *** blackyboy <blackyboy!~blackyboy@43.224.131.69> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[05:18:45] <clarjon1> Yes.[05:18:52] <clarjon1> I can telnet to google's port 25 successfully[05:18:58] <clarjon1> but not other hosts which we've been able to deliver mail to before[05:19:03] <rob0> google's MX?[05:19:06] <clarjon1> mhm[05:19:24] <rob0> try my host, harrier.slackbuilds.org:25[05:19:41] <rob0> paste back my banner if you get it[05:19:50] <clarjon1> I'm getting nada[05:20:08] <rob0> you're blocked, I bet[05:20:16] <clarjon1> hmmmm[05:20:17] <clarjon1> ok[05:20:31] <clarjon1> I'll have to file a ticket with the dedi provider then[05:20:36] <rob0> yep[05:25:29] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[05:33:37] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[05:33:38] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:51:18] *** znf <znf!~ibm86@toaster.linge-ma.ws> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[05:53:07] *** likewhoa <likewhoa!~likewhoa@s2.maserver.com> has joined #postfix[05:54:43] *** maslen <maslen!~maslen@unaffiliated/maslen> has joined #postfix[05:56:42] *** maslen1 <maslen1!~maslen@unaffiliated/maslen> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[06:04:58] *** BoomerBile <BoomerBile!~MetaPhaze@96-42-197-150.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Pidgin ate Hexchat! 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Please, Can I ask for a help howto setup my Postfix ? In our company we have a local SMTP server based on Postfix. We have a problem with email delivery to our domain "domain.com" which is on O365. I am need to relay everything to "domain.com" to Office 365 where the mailbox are stored. Howto setup Postfix ? We have a local postfix only for SMTP.[12:56:39] <kallenp> Dec 7 12:55:04 mail postfix/smtpd[159770]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[172.30.12.225]: 550 5.1.1 <archive at domain dot com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<support at domain dot com> to=<archive at support dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<INTRANET.firma.cz>[12:59:29] <kmq> kallenp, take a look at the channel topic to get some assistance with how to ask this question effectively[13:04:03] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:07:00] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@79.38.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[13:20:44] <jaybe> would think ms/o365 would have guides and assistance as well[13:21:08] *** section1 <section1!~section1@190.194.68.34> has joined #postfix[13:21:47] *** kallenp <kallenp!~kallenp@82.142.115.178> has left #postfix[13:24:43] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:410d:3980:8c4d:4b85> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:25:25] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:410d:3980:8c4d:4b85> has joined #postfix[13:35:31] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[13:40:21] *** ArchNoob <ArchNoob!~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob> has joined #postfix[13:44:18] <petn-randall> I'm currently reading up on details for bounce mails, and I'm wondering about the return path. Since it's set by the *receiving* MTA, upon delivery from the SMTP From, how do MTAs "know" what a bounce message is and what isn't? 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<varesa!~varesa@ec2-52-49-18-111.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #postfix[16:32:19] *** syshero <syshero!~chaosmake@unaffiliated/chaosmaker> has joined #postfix[16:33:46] *** visip <visip!~visix@gateway/tor-sasl/visip> has joined #postfix[16:36:26] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xaxettafytkgrnea> has joined #postfix[16:36:35] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:40:28] *** visip <visip!~visix@gateway/tor-sasl/visip> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:43:41] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[16:43:50] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:45:30] *** visip <visip!~visix@gateway/tor-sasl/visip> has joined #postfix[16:49:54] <bipolar> Is there a way to run seperate smtpd processes (as defined in master.cf) on different IP addresses but both on port 25? I'm trying to set up a sender_bcc_map that only runs on mail sent from the internal network.[16:50:46] <bipolar> I could use Iptables to redirect incoming connections from the internal network to a different port, but I'm trying to keep all the configuration inside of postfix if it's possible.[16:51:21] <lunaphyte> bipolar: sure, of course[16:51:39] <lunaphyte> see man 5 master for details on the structure of the config file[16:52:42] <bipolar> lunaphyte: I'll take a look. I've be exersizing my google-fu to no avail. I should have gone right to the man page and RTFM lol[16:52:53] <lunaphyte> !tell bipolar google[16:52:53] <knoba> bipolar: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.[16:52:56] <lunaphyte> :)[16:53:01] <bipolar> hahaha[16:53:12] *** oktaya <oktaya!~oktay@94.54.8.63> has joined #postfix[16:53:18] <bipolar> yeah... it's good advice. Thank you for reminding me :P[16:53:54] <bipolar> "The service name is specified as host:port, denoting the host and port on which new connections should be accepted." doh[16:53:54] <oktaya> Guys. How can I make rules apply selectively? For example can I enable/disable greylisting based on GeoIP ?[16:54:41] <oktaya> And while we're all here. Is there anything more robust than always_bbc and the bcc maps? This one likes to expose itself.[16:55:34] *** fred_tv <fred_tv!~fred_tv@host242-32-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:56:46] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:57:03] <lunaphyte> oktaya: my advice is to not use greylisting[16:57:20] <lunaphyte> bipolar: that said, you're probably doing it wrong :)[16:57:43] <lunaphyte> why is mail sent from the internal network not using submission?[16:58:58] <jduggan> oktaya: programmatically with a policy daemon[17:00:54] <tuxick> submission is for masochists![17:01:38] <lunaphyte> is that why all this time people seem to refuse to use it?![17:01:45] <tuxick> probably[17:01:53] <lunaphyte> it finally all makes sense[17:02:00] <Kelsar> lunaphyte: sure, all dominant Alphas[17:02:04] <tuxick> wrong name[17:02:24] <tuxick> so fix it the microsoft way: if bad reputation, change name[17:02:32] <lunaphyte> the fragile ego strikes again! :([17:04:44] <oktaya> jduggan: there are policy daemons for archival?[17:04:59] <jduggan> oktaya: i was replying to the geo/ip greylist question[17:05:19] <oktaya> lunaphyte: greylisting was just an example. let's say I want to apply different rules if the email is coming from a specific country[17:05:37] <oktaya> jduggan: in that case do you know of a policy daemon with that kind of setting?[17:05:53] <jduggan> oktaya: bcc isnt great for archive as you say, but you can quash bounce backs etc to hide its existence, you might also be able to similar with a content filter[17:06:06] <lunaphyte> oktaya: i don't know off of the top of my head, but i'd also say it would be best done with a policy service[17:06:25] <lunaphyte> i also don't understand "anything more robust than always_bbc and the bcc maps? This one likes to expose itself"[17:06:39] <oktaya> jduggan: It was working fine until i had to use a relay for a few days while migrating. Bounced stuff back with the archive email address visible.[17:06:56] <lunaphyte> oh[17:07:03] <jduggan> oktaya: its not postfix specific, but mtpolicyd seems to have geo-ip featured, i dont have experience with it however[17:07:15] <oktaya> jduggan: checking it out. thanks.[17:07:46] <oktaya> I briefly saw a document that I think kind of had a selective config example but can't find it now.[17:07:50] <oktaya> all in main.cf[17:08:54] <oktaya> OK. I have seen mtpolicyd. I am not 100% but I think geoip and greylisting are separate. Two of many plugins it has.[17:09:38] <jduggan> oktaya: it wouldnt be difficult to write your own policy daemon to achieve what you want, the policy api is very simple[17:10:09] <oktaya> I think that might be the way to go.[17:10:19] <oktaya> what's wrong with greylisting anyway?[17:10:23] <jduggan> oktaya: you could even add a module to mtpolicyd rather than rolling your own and starting from scratch[17:10:26] <oktaya> is it too 2010s ? :)[17:10:51] <lunaphyte> oktaya: use postscreen, not greylisting[17:10:54] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[17:11:28] <lunaphyte> greylisting should only be a last resort if a properly configured postscreen service is truly not effective[17:11:48] <oktaya> first I am hearing of postscreen i think. or forgot it existed[17:11:53] <oktaya> will check that out too.[17:12:35] <jduggan> in my humble opinion it is pointless, it was great in its day but we have postscreen now and besides, it only really worked for bad clients that didnt follow standards, spammers know about greylist and just conform now, its effectiveness is probably in teh v low %ages to bother now[17:13:07] <oktaya> ok this is great.[17:14:04] <oktaya> i am not set on greylisting. I just didn't know about postscreen[17:14:20] <oktaya> how about pyzor/dcc etc? those still work ok?[17:14:40] <lunaphyte> sure, but should be part of content filtering and message tagging. not for rejection purposes[17:15:30] <oktaya> yes. this time i want to reject less. make sure there's a way to quarantine and release. that way I am hoping to be more aggressive with the spam that hits the mailboxes[17:16:19] <lunaphyte> i don't believe in quarantining spam, but rather delivering to a junk folder[17:16:31] <lunaphyte> quarantining malware/viruses/etc/ is ok[17:16:57] <lunaphyte> those are less subjective and much less prone to false positives[17:17:00] *** Jellyg00se <Jellyg00se!~Alfie@195.99.134.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:17:08] <lunaphyte> and obviously more damaging[17:17:12] <jduggan> quarantine low scored "positives" is also not a bad idea in my opinion[17:17:26] <lunaphyte> i disagree[17:18:22] <jduggan> i guess that depends on whether you use junk folder, in which case, i suspect i have the same opinion as you[17:18:35] <lunaphyte> in my experience, most spam that is just below the scoring threshold is actually spam, whereas most spam for below the scoring threshold is not spam[17:18:45] <lunaphyte> *far below[17:23:52] <oktaya> This kind of thing depends on what kind of users you have I think[17:24:06] <oktaya> mine will click on any link on in any email and open every attachment[17:24:20] <lunaphyte> that's all users, believe me[17:24:25] <oktaya> spam is not a problem. ransomeware is terrible[17:24:33] <lunaphyte> yes, that's true[17:24:36] <oktaya> they use the invoice format from the local cell company[17:24:52] <tuxick> we had 4 customers catching ransomware past 2 months[17:25:05] <oktaya> of course the guy who clicked on his invoice link doesn't have service from them. but that's another story[17:25:21] <tuxick> ah that fake invoice thing is also ransomware?[17:25:25] <oktaya> maybe that's an even better trick[17:25:36] <tuxick> i've seen my filters block it[17:25:37] <oktaya> people want to see other people's privat things :)[17:25:56] <oktaya> that particular one was ransomware downloaded from a website[17:26:02] <oktaya> the site couldn't have lived long[17:26:45] <oktaya> anyway. i will check out postscreen and probably be back.[17:26:58] <oktaya> thanks a lot. very helpful all of you.[17:34:05] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has joined #postfix[17:34:24] <jduggan> what is the preferred solution (if there is one) for; deliver any recipient domain destined for office365 (or indeed gmail/google apps, yahoo etc) via this specific or group of specific relayhosts, ie, dealing with multi-tenant MX's where you might end up on their bad list (yes dont get on the bad list in the first place but not always possible)[17:34:59] *** ArchNoob <ArchNoob!~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob> has joined #postfix[17:35:01] <jduggan> is it check_recipient_mx_access with lists of MX configured ?[17:35:05] <lunaphyte> probably transport_maps[17:35:58] <jduggan> transport_maps doesnt really extend because it works on teh recipient domain level, and i dont know all the recipient domains sitting on a multi-tenant system[17:36:41] <lunaphyte> oh, i see[17:36:48] <jduggan> i can work out the MX for the recipient domain and then figure out it is *.outlook.com (o365) and i therefore need to use this relayhost[17:37:10] <lunaphyte> you don't know what recipients are using office 365, and you want postfix to check for you real time?[17:37:45] <jduggan> yea i dont know what recipients are on o365, but i need to deliver (unknown recipients that are on o365) via a specific relayhost[17:38:20] <jduggan> i can do this with FILTER in a policy daemon, but i came across check_recipient_mx_access and was thinking this can be used[17:39:41] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xaxettafytkgrnea> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:39:52] *** fatdragon 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Reinhilde is now known as Ellenor[21:24:04] <vaskozl> Hey, in header_checks does REJECT bounce back to the the IP that connected or to the address in the "From" header[21:25:39] *** Inray <Inray!~athan@ppp-2-86-67-235.home.otenet.gr> has joined #postfix[21:25:58] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:27:25] *** Inray <Inray!~athan@ppp-2-86-67-235.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:27:45] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:29:24] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[21:30:38] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[21:33:41] <JPT> I managed to get delisted from the SORBS Spam list. :)[21:34:12] <lunaphyte> vaskozl: reject does not bounce anything. reject rejects[21:34:44] <lunaphyte> reject refuses to accept the message, at all. it remains the responsibility of the computer which is trying to give it to you.[21:39:53] *** wwl <wwl!~wwl@ipbcc2327c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #postfix[21:43:11] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[21:44:05] <vaskozl> That's what I thought..[21:44:08] <vaskozl> But this is my log: https://skozl.com/L6mp[21:44:39] <vaskozl> And it looks like I am sending non-delivery notifications, after REJECT based on X-SPAM-Flag header[21:45:48] <vaskozl> Could it be spamd being proactive..[21:46:09] *** topon <topon!~harukomot@93-41-16-223.ip79.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[21:48:29] *** harukomoto <harukomoto!~harukomot@93-41-16-223.ip79.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:50:28] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:c74:af6a:ef72:f0b1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:50:54] <lunaphyte> um, proactive?[21:50:59] <lunaphyte> no, misconfigured[21:51:18] <lunaphyte> you *cannot* reject mail further down the line after postfix has already accepted it.[21:51:36] <vaskozl> has postfix accepted it?[21:51:44] <lunaphyte> that type of behavior will get you blacklisted quickly[21:52:05] <lunaphyte> vaskozl: postfix has relayed it to spamassassin.[21:52:16] <lunaphyte> it cannot not relay a message until after it has accepted it[21:52:33] <lunaphyte> also, you're using pipe(8) for spamassassin, which is not a great way to do that[21:52:42] <vaskozl> How can I find out what evokes the postfix/bounce?[21:52:44] <lunaphyte> probably followed a bad tutorial, i bet[21:53:01] <lunaphyte> vaskozl: spamassassin does[21:53:01] <lunaphyte> you misconfigured it[21:53:03] <vaskozl> The archlinux wiki..[21:53:14] <vaskozl> What is the best configuration?[21:53:33] <vaskozl> I've configured it exactly as the wiki says, been running like this for almost 2 years now.[21:53:44] <vaskozl> I regularly check the logs this has only been a thing recently.[21:54:42] <vaskozl> As in, I've probably had it misconfigured for a while, but it's only become an issue now that I'm receiving these kind of fake mail.[21:54:55] *** ArchNoob <ArchNoob!~ArchNoob@unaffiliated/archnoob> has joined #postfix[21:56:34] <vaskozl> So this is caused by: /^X-Spam-Flag: YES/ REJECT in header_checks[21:56:47] <lunaphyte> oh, yikes.[21:56:48] <vaskozl> I imagine if I change it to DISCARD I will have no backscatter anymore.[21:56:53] <lunaphyte> that's a very bad idea[21:56:58] <vaskozl> Why?[21:57:02] <lunaphyte> discard?! good lord, no.[21:57:06] <lunaphyte> :( what is going on?[21:57:26] <lunaphyte> you have a not good arrangement it would see[21:57:28] <lunaphyte> *seem[21:57:39] <lunaphyte> i'd suggest putting your config in a pastebin[21:57:46] <vaskozl> Ok thanks for your help.[21:57:46] <lunaphyte> and asking for help in getting it corrected[21:58:07] <lunaphyte> !tell vaskozl showconfig[21:58:07] <knoba> vaskozl: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[21:58:28] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@79.33.144.187> has joined #postfix[21:59:22] <vaskozl> I was just under the impression that the mail would not be "accepted" 250 untill spammassassin is done doing it's thing, and then would reject.[22:00:05] <vaskozl> Had no idea REJECT in header_checks could cause a bounce like this.[22:00:44] <lunaphyte> vaskozl: it is possibly to configure things like that, but it is generally nto a very good idea, for a number of reasons[22:01:15] <lunaphyte> it also does not appear to me, at least so far, that's the case in your config - or at least if it is, it has been done in a very fragile manner[22:01:54] <vaskozl> https://skozl.com/s/postfix.dump[22:02:04] <vaskozl> If you have time to have a look I guess..[22:04:49] <vaskozl> Commented out /X-Spam-Flag/ REJECT to prevent this for now.[22:05:59] *** wwl <wwl!~wwl@ipbcc2327c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[22:07:20] <lunaphyte> i'm willing to look, but you'll have to use a more recognizable pastebin[22:07:50] <vaskozl> curl it, it's on my machine (the same domain we are talking about) in plaintext[22:08:34] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure how to respond to that.[22:08:35] <vaskozl> I think it's because I'm using -o content_filter which is after queue.[22:08:44] <lunaphyte> it seems like you didn't actually read what i wrote :([22:08:54] <vaskozl> I did, I don't want to use public pastebins for my configs.[22:09:36] <vaskozl> You can curl it's a plain text file, but don't help me in that case.[22:10:06] <lunaphyte> you can put it somewhere else if you'd like help[22:10:23] <vaskozl> Because I can remove the link (after somem time) while a public one will not necessarily expire and will be visible in the log.[22:10:39] <vaskozl> Anyway do you think a pre-queue pass to spamassassin is a good config?[22:10:46] <lunaphyte> no[22:11:07] <vaskozl> Or is it better to just accept and put in a seperate folder?[22:11:09] <lunaphyte> yes[22:14:04] <vaskozl> Any reason pre-queue check is not a good idea?[22:14:11] <lunaphyte> yes[22:15:07] <lunaphyte> it holds resources hostage while the content filter works, and rejecting spam is a bad idea, fundamentally. there are way way too many false positives[22:15:36] <lunaphyte> it's also less modular/discrete[22:18:05] <vaskozl> Ok thanks :)[22:18:42] <vaskozl> Seems also spamassasin has a low max size, rejecting things like images..[22:20:52] <vaskozl> so if I understand correctly header_checks happen both pre and post queue, except if it fails post queue it bounced to the "from" address[22:23:46] <lunaphyte> header_checks might happen both pre and post, if the system is poorly configured[22:24:17] <lunaphyte> there might be special cases in which both is appropriate, but that is unlikely to be the case for the vast majority of scenarios[22:25:07] <vaskozl> I think this is default behaviour.[22:25:24] <lunaphyte> there is no default behavior[22:25:56] <lunaphyte> it is an outcome of changing the default config and adding other components without thinking about how things work[22:29:34] <vaskozl> I'll try using dovecot as the virtual_transport and configure a sieve spam folder when I have time..[22:29:34] <vaskozl> Do you think that's a good solution?[22:30:43] <lunaphyte> my recommendation is to relay from postfix to amavis, via lmtp, and then from amavis to dovecot, also via lmtp[22:40:33] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[22:40:33] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has joined #postfix[22:41:52] *** equilibriumuk <equilibriumuk!~equilibri@2602:ffda:aaa::2194:1ef2> has quit IRC (Quit: bouncer bouncing)[22:42:40] <vaskozl> lunaphyte: Ok thanks, I've just let spam in for now, I'll probably just filter it 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