December 2, 2017 
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December 2, 2017 [00:09:37] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:11:27] *** SupaYoshi <SupaYoshi!~SupaYoshi@104.223.1.186> has joined #postfix[00:14:49] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@2a02:61:a2:0:601a:6d0c:2388:b868> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:46:24] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:46:40] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[01:00:01] *** jrabe <jrabe!irc@bouncer.tech> has quit IRC ()[01:02:15] *** jrabe <jrabe!irc@janikrabe.com> has joined #postfix[01:07:11] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:07:18] *** chachasmooth_ <chachasmooth_!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[01:19:14] *** quan <quan!~quassel@50.35.109.212> has joined #postfix[01:19:52] <quan> I am able to receive email (Postfix, Dovecot), but not send it.[01:20:14] <quan> It always times out at the other end.[01:20:26] <lunaphyte> !tell quan getting_help[01:20:26] <knoba> quan: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[01:20:55] <quan> It's not my config. It was working yesterday.[01:21:12] <lunaphyte> for help, follow the instructions[01:21:30] <quan> Is this, what I think it is? https://paste.ee/p/atTOs[01:22:33] <lunaphyte> that's not helpful in diagnosing the issue. the details as per !getting_help will be though. that's why the factoid exists.[01:22:59] <quan> (My external IP is 50.35.96.212 and its gateway at Frontier is 50.35.96.1)[01:23:40] <quan> No need to actually -think-, lunaphyte.[01:24:28] <quan> Anyone else actually see it?[01:25:02] <lunaphyte> well, you know what to do to get help here. good luck![01:25:23] <quan> You don't mean that so don't say it.[01:25:49] <lunaphyte> quan: please focus and stay on topic, thanks[01:26:29] <quan> Ok. Does anyone else actually see it.[01:27:51] *** degenerate_ <degenerate_!~quassel@S0106689e199caaf4.no.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:27:52] <rob0> IIRC Frontier blocks port 25[01:28:00] <rob0> !port_25_block[01:28:00] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[01:28:09] *** degenerate <degenerate!~quassel@S0106689e199caaf4.no.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[01:28:38] <quan> rob0: I tested 25 coming in and it was fine. And yesterday 25 worked going out. But today... not.[01:28:51] <quan> Looks like they're sinkholing 25 out.[01:29:02] <rob0> try "telnet harrier.slackbuilds.org 25"[01:29:26] <quan> I can still receive email, and the websites work fine. I just can't send email. Does this look correct to you?[01:30:45] <quan> Hung... # telnet harrier.slackbuilds.org 25[01:30:45] <quan> Trying 207.223.116.211...[01:31:34] <rob0> not seeing you connect[01:31:45] <quan> Still hung.[01:31:56] <rob0> yep, they're blocking you[01:32:03] <quan> Bugger.[01:32:58] <quan> I can get around walled gardens using VPN, I wonder if there's a way around this?[01:33:06] <rob0> Host 212.96.35.50.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) <-- this would be a problem also[01:33:41] <rob0> sure, a VPN might work, if they will give you a static IP and a PTR[01:33:44] <quan> Yes I need Frontier's cooperation for a PTR, but I'm not a business account.[01:34:17] <quan> I'd need an 'other end for a VPN tho.[01:34:20] <rob0> hehe, I had "business" service from them for 2+ years, but I never tried to ask for a PTR[01:35:05] <quan> I tried hosted cloud (Internap) but they charge even for instances that are -not- active...[01:35:07] <rob0> !vps[01:35:07] <knoba> rob0: "vps" : A Virtual Private Server is an affordable alternative to running a mailserver at home with a consumer-grade ISP connection. See also !port_25_block and !pbl[01:36:38] <quan> I wonder if there are any -fair- cloud hosters? (Which aren't Amazon or MS)[01:36:52] <quan> Ideally OpenStack)[01:37:31] <quan> I definitely need an 'other end to bypass their port blocking with.[01:37:51] <quan> !pbl[01:37:51] <knoba> quan: "pbl" : (#1) The Spamhaus PBL is a DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP for that customer's use. It is part of Zen as well., or (#2) Spamhaus Policy Block List: see http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/ and !zen[01:38:14] <rob0> you COULD try asking them to open 25, but that won't do any good ^^ without a custom PTR[01:38:43] <rob0> for me, business and residential service cost about the same[01:38:56] <quan> Nearly hopeless, when they intentionally put on the block today.[01:39:20] <quan> In Seattle with Frontier residential is $30 and business is $99.[01:40:00] <quan> much cheeper for a hosted OpenStack instance.[01:40:12] <rob0> ugh, in Tishomingo, MS it was $70 and $65 (or vice-versa)[01:40:41] <rob0> in Seattle I bet you have other options :)[01:40:45] <quan> Even with 5 instances it was ~$20. (4 inactive, but -all- were billed)[01:41:23] <quan> There's Crumcast, but that's a non-starter. I'm actually north in Edmonds.[01:42:05] <quan> Shit, two months working on this, and now they block 25/out.[01:42:21] <rob0> sucky :([01:42:38] <quan> I guess I'm forced to an OpenStack instance again.[01:43:08] <quan> InterNap is not honest though.[01:44:21] <quan> https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/[01:58:16] <quan> This looks pretty good, $10/mo. https://vexxhost.com/public-cloud/servers/[02:02:47] <quan> Ubongo wants me to install OpenStack locally... well that doesn't do any good. 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