September 25, 2015 
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September 25, 2015 [00:07:07] <roxlu> I keep getting these messages: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/roxlu/3d915903e0e5c18c9c3d/raw/2e68902aeb6a4e471ef04c3b7533d413a846f528/gistfile1.txt[00:07:11] *** skweek has quit IRC[00:11:55] *** ffiore has quit IRC[00:22:58] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[00:23:06] *** roxlu has quit IRC[00:27:14] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[00:28:25] *** orbifx has quit IRC[00:28:49] *** artista-frustrad has quit IRC[00:30:41] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[00:32:22] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[00:34:45] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[00:37:11] *** infides has quit IRC[00:48:46] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:53:01] *** zacdev has joined #postfix[00:55:08] <rob0> heh, a one-line pastebin[00:55:20] <rob0> and a /quit[01:02:21] *** D-Boy has quit IRC[01:07:11] *** D-Boy has joined #postfix[01:10:51] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[01:12:20] *** m4rcu5 has quit IRC[01:34:15] *** fornax has joined #postfix[01:41:45] *** ag4ve has quit IRC[01:43:48] *** jwing has quit IRC[01:52:56] *** jwing has joined #postfix[01:55:18] *** unforgiven512 has quit IRC[01:55:41] *** Cerise has quit IRC[01:56:57] *** TAARs has quit IRC[01:56:57] *** roukoswarf has quit IRC[01:57:19] *** nikgod has quit IRC[01:57:21] *** WakiMiko has quit IRC[01:57:22] *** dan_j has quit IRC[01:57:23] *** madduck has quit IRC[01:58:20] *** madduck has joined #postfix[01:58:26] *** unforgiven512 has joined #postfix[01:58:33] *** nikgod has joined #postfix[01:58:40] *** Cerise has joined #postfix[01:58:40] *** Cerise has joined #postfix[01:59:31] *** TAARs has joined #postfix[01:59:58] *** roukoswarf has joined #postfix[02:00:25] *** WakiMiko has joined #postfix[02:00:33] *** dan_j has joined #postfix[02:00:39] *** m4rcu5 has joined #postfix[02:12:44] *** fornax has quit IRC[02:15:02] *** fury_ has quit IRC[02:16:38] *** cesurasean has joined #postfix[02:44:03] *** cesurasean has quit IRC[02:46:22] *** penk has joined #postfix[02:46:37] *** mroe has joined #postfix[02:49:01] *** mroe has quit IRC[03:03:17] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[03:06:33] *** err-or_ has joined #postfix[03:10:16] *** err-or has quit IRC[03:25:15] *** [NoClan]GoAway has quit IRC[03:29:59] *** joules has quit IRC[03:37:26] *** [NoClan]GoAway has joined #postfix[03:42:30] *** Motoko has quit IRC[03:47:57] *** penk has quit IRC[04:09:41] *** ag4ve has joined #postfix[04:31:43] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[04:44:19] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[04:44:48] *** joules has joined #postfix[04:45:14] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[04:46:12] *** ag4ve has quit IRC[05:15:16] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[05:16:07] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[05:18:52] *** jan_ has joined #postfix[05:54:06] *** zapata has quit IRC[06:01:46] *** Ioyrie has quit IRC[06:07:27] *** zapata has joined #postfix[06:17:37] *** githogori has quit IRC[06:34:21] *** githogori has joined #postfix[06:38:17] *** DawnFantasy has joined #postfix[06:38:20] *** zacdev has quit IRC[06:50:26] *** internat has quit IRC[06:50:51] *** internat has joined #postfix[07:06:01] *** drehmer has quit IRC[07:16:59] *** armguy has quit IRC[07:20:57] *** armguy has joined #postfix[07:27:38] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[07:47:25] *** sgen has joined #postfix[07:48:14] *** Darcidride has joined #postfix[07:50:39] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[07:55:26] *** ffiore has quit IRC[08:07:59] *** carl- has joined #postfix[08:15:05] *** carl- has quit IRC[08:16:25] *** carl- has joined #postfix[08:27:42] *** joules has quit IRC[08:29:01] *** joules has joined #postfix[08:40:33] *** arinov__ has quit IRC[08:40:50] *** arinov has joined #postfix[08:45:29] <Rico> hi[08:46:55] *** armguy has quit IRC[08:47:55] *** sgen has quit IRC[08:49:04] *** armguy has joined #postfix[08:58:30] *** nikgod has quit IRC[08:59:23] *** fzirngibl has joined #postfix[09:00:07] *** roukoswarf has quit IRC[09:00:41] <Rico> is there a way to have subject of a mail in master.cf variable ? man pipe does not give me a variable ${subject}[09:05:27] *** armguy has quit IRC[09:05:47] *** roukoswarf has joined #postfix[09:10:11] *** armguy has joined #postfix[09:25:38] *** thomas is now known as evilthomas[09:30:31] *** infides has joined #postfix[09:31:10] *** roxlu has joined #postfix[09:43:52] <Rico> anybody here ?[09:47:59] *** ag4ve has joined #postfix[09:55:10] *** ag4ve has quit IRC[09:59:26] *** m4rcu5 has quit IRC[10:01:30] <DominikB> Rico, just ask and wait :D[10:01:48] <Rico> <Rico> is there a way to have subject of a mail in master.cf variable ? man pipe does not give me a variable ${subject}[10:02:09] <DominikB> Rico, what are you trying[10:02:30] <Rico> DominikB: integrating amazon ses with postfix[10:02:41] <Rico> but amazon ses perl script requires a subject[10:03:02] <Rico> and I don't know if I can retrieve it in master.cf transport[10:03:48] <DominikB> ok[10:04:26] *** m4rcu5 has joined #postfix[10:04:45] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[10:06:14] *** dazo_afk is now known as dazo[10:07:22] <DominikB> Rico, and you send from your postfix to amazon ses and there is a script which takes the subject as a var[10:07:31] <Rico> yes[10:08:05] <DominikB> why not directly send to amazon using a script ?[10:10:35] <Rico> because my postfix is a transparent relay[10:11:06] <Rico> DominikB: I think I resolved my problem, amazon script has a '-r' option, for raw sending, and subject is not required anymore[10:11:25] <Rico> but other question : can I run 2 scripts with pipe ?[10:13:10] <Rico> first script would set env vars, and second script would relay mail to SES[10:14:00] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[10:15:19] *** sarri has quit IRC[10:16:38] *** sarri has joined #postfix[10:16:53] *** TakumoKatekari is now known as Takumo[10:17:27] <DominikB> Rico, no just one script[10:17:36] <DominikB> you can chain them[10:19:38] <Rico> how[10:19:41] <Rico> ?[10:20:22] <Rico> argv=perl script1?pl; perl script2.pl; /opt/aws/ses-send-email.pl -r[10:20:24] <Rico> like this ?[10:20:32] <Rico> s/?/.[10:23:29] <DominikB> Rico, yeah[10:23:39] *** Mizar has joined #postfix[10:24:18] *** lrea has joined #postfix[10:40:29] <Rico> DominikB: does not seem to work[10:40:56] <DominikB> Rico, then you could use to seperate pieps[10:47:46] <Rico> DominikB: any exemple ?[10:47:59] <DominikB> i had to look up[11:00:50] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[11:03:50] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[11:32:06] <Rico> I'm trying to import an anvironment variable to postfix (postfix process running as postfix user) with "import_environment = AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY"[11:32:33] <Rico> but I still have an error in maillog : Cannot find AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID environment variable[11:36:26] *** jan_ has quit IRC[11:40:43] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[11:44:18] *** Mizar has left #postfix[11:49:00] <Rico> can anybody help me about import_environment ?[11:49:11] <Rico> don't know why it doesn't work[11:49:26] <Rico> or maybe I'm misunderstanding the purpose of the function...[11:49:56] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[11:55:41] *** sina0 has quit IRC[12:00:25] <Rico> DominikB: any idea ?[12:01:58] <DominikB> Rico, sry had a meeting trying to get my head around after lunch[12:16:12] *** nikgod has joined #postfix[12:20:54] *** nikgod has quit IRC[12:31:12] *** ffiore has quit IRC[12:33:26] *** zapata has quit IRC[12:33:57] *** pti-jean_ has joined #postfix[12:34:40] *** irgendwer4711 has joined #postfix[12:43:22] *** ag4ve has joined #postfix[12:48:22] *** DawnFantasy has quit IRC[12:48:47] *** DawnFantasy has joined #postfix[12:49:33] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to configure postfix, that postmaster mails contain the mailbody ?[12:50:43] *** m82labs has joined #postfix[12:51:03] <survietamine> what you mean?[12:51:52] *** zapata has joined #postfix[12:53:49] *** nikgod has joined #postfix[13:00:55] *** nikgod has quit IRC[13:01:25] *** fzirngibl has quit IRC[13:02:21] *** m82labs has quit IRC[13:07:22] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[13:18:53] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[13:27:00] *** fornax has joined #postfix[13:38:25] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[13:39:04] *** ernetas has quit IRC[13:41:24] <irgendwer4711> survietamine: I dont get the part after DATA[13:41:32] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[13:52:28] *** ernetas has joined #postfix[13:52:43] <survietamine> weird, if you referred to bounce messages, I have original message attached[13:53:11] <survietamine> I don't know if you can set some option about that. Maybe if bounce_size_limit is low...[13:53:34] <irgendwer4711> I will try again.[13:54:54] *** olegfusion has joined #postfix[13:56:55] *** moldy has joined #postfix[13:56:56] <moldy> hi[13:57:11] <survietamine> irgendwer4711: looks like that: http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/Configuration-of-bounce-behavior-header-vs-full-message-td64928.html[13:59:58] <survietamine> and http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/247514[14:04:44] <moldy> if i want to send a relatively large number of mails at once (around 50k) from an application, is there anything i should watch out for?[14:06:26] <lunaphyte> moldy: to who?[14:07:24] <moldy> lunaphyte: to a more or less arbitrary set of email addresses[14:07:31] <lunaphyte> use an esp[14:08:05] <moldy> lunaphyte: yeah, i thought about that. any particular reason for it?[14:08:20] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean. it's why they exist[14:08:33] <survietamine> :)[14:08:42] <moldy> lunaphyte: what are the particular reasons for not just sending them via a local postfix installation?[14:08:59] <lunaphyte> if you want the messages to make it into the inobx, either a] be very experienced with email deliverability, or b] enlist the help of someone who is[14:08:59] <survietamine> if it's to internal addresses it can be ok :)[14:09:39] <moldy> depends on how you define "internal" :)[14:09:47] <lunaphyte> not really[14:09:57] <survietamine> I meant to domains/addresses that you manage[14:10:06] <lunaphyte> there's a simple, standard definition for that concept[14:10:15] <survietamine> bulk mail?[14:10:40] <lunaphyte> internal = within administrative boundaries. external = outside of administrative boundaries[14:10:51] <moldy> lunaphyte: well i run a few low-volume mail servers for roughly a decade, so i consider myself mildly experienced. i never had to deal with mass mailings of that scale from an application though. my question mostly aims at the interface between postfix and the application generating the mails[14:11:29] <moldy> e.g. is it feasible to send that amount of mails via a single smtp connection?[14:11:35] <lunaphyte> that is not where you'll have problems[14:11:56] <lunaphyte> the application should handle that fine[14:12:35] <lunaphyte> when the mail server concludes the session, regardless of length, the application should just initiate a new one if it has more mail to send[14:12:36] <moldy> alright, that's good news i guess.[14:20:08] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:22:25] <moldy> survietamine: fwiw, no, i don't manage the domains[14:23:58] <survietamine> I meant the mail hosting for these domains, not necessarily the dns part.[14:24:16] <moldy> survietamine: yep, i manage neither[14:24:33] <moldy> they are customers of the customer of my customer ;)[14:24:41] <survietamine> but if you mean that target addresses are "outside", that would be not easy to "guarantee" that your mails will be in inbox[14:25:02] <moldy> of course, i'm aware of that[14:25:02] <survietamine> that's why some companies like return-path exist[14:25:32] *** irgendwer4711 has left #postfix[14:27:11] <moldy> a certain failure rate will be expected. as far as i understand it, the emails will be sent to "known" users and accompanied by non-digital communication[14:27:40] <lunaphyte> all we can tell you is what the status quo is[14:28:24] <moldy> yep, thanks :) my question was mostly aimed at how to implement the application side of this[14:30:38] *** fornax has quit IRC[14:31:13] *** fornax has joined #postfix[14:40:38] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[14:42:30] *** fornax has quit IRC[14:46:38] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[14:46:52] *** Southron has joined #postfix[14:47:45] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[14:48:28] *** dstarh has joined #postfix[14:52:07] *** ffiore has quit IRC[14:55:03] *** Guest38006 has joined #postfix[14:59:41] <terbolous> anyone using collectd to graph postfix that has some up2date plugin/script for it?[15:16:16] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[15:19:11] *** carl- has quit 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#postfix[16:48:05] *** irgendwer4711 has joined #postfix[16:48:48] <irgendwer4711> hi, it's me again. I dont get a full bounce massage of mail to the postmaster. I am using Postfix 2.11[16:49:19] <irgendwer4711> bounce_size_limit is default (50k)[16:49:20] *** damasceno has joined #postfix[16:49:58] <irgendwer4711> I got a Transcript of session. The mail body is left out.[16:50:25] <damasceno> Hello. Can I resend a queue via another postfix server? I have two postfix servers, one is having problems sending to hotmail.com so I would like to send the deferred queue via the second postfix server that I have. Is it possible?[16:51:35] <irgendwer4711> damasceno: good question. maybe you configure your 2nd host as smarthost[16:52:35] <damasceno> irgendwer4711: if I configure the "relayhost" option and resend the queue, would it work?[16:52:48] <irgendwer4711> yes, with postsuper -r[16:54:37] <survietamine> maybe just write some temporary transport[16:55:35] <survietamine> but, yes, you'll have the 2nd mta accepting mails from the 1st one[16:55:50] <damasceno> Yes, it's already configured to accept.[16:55:59] <damasceno> so if I add the relayhost and requeue with postsuper -r it should work right?[16:56:12] <damasceno> Well, I'm going to give it a try. Thanks a lot irgendwer4711 and survietamine.[16:56:33] <survietamine> yeah, that can work but if you don't want all mails, but only hotmail ones, you can write a transport map[16:56:46] *** ag4ve has quit IRC[16:57:03] <survietamine> hotmail.com smtp:the.other.server:25[16:57:06] *** Pymous_ has joined #postfix[16:57:25] *** Pymous_ has left #postfix[16:57:38] *** Pymous has joined #postfix[16:57:40] <Pymous> Hello ! :)[16:57:43] <irgendwer4711> any ideas for my problem?[16:58:39] <Pymous> I just put postfix back on a new server, and I can send mail without any errors in the log, but when I try to send a mail with another FROM than root at mydomain dot com (for example : no-reply at mydomain dot com), it's go right to SPAM[16:58:41] *** SJr has quit IRC[16:58:43] <Pymous> Any idea why ?[16:58:56] <survietamine> irgendwer4711: maybe your message is bigger than 50k?[16:59:08] <irgendwer4711> no. I uses a short testmail.[16:59:11] <irgendwer4711> *used[16:59:46] <Tuxick> then the size limit is irrelevant :)[17:00:04] <irgendwer4711> and I think bounce_size_limit is only relevant for the original sender, not postmaster[17:00:05] <Tuxick> but bouncing is bad anyway[17:00:19] <Tuxick> size should be 0[17:00:19] <irgendwer4711> my system do not send bounces.[17:00:33] <irgendwer4711> I am talking about the postmaster error mail.[17:00:42] <Tuxick> no idea what that would be then[17:01:38] *** SJr has joined #postfix[17:02:55] <irgendwer4711> "The recipient of postmaster notifications with the message headers of mail that Postfix did not deliver"[17:04:06] <irgendwer4711> maybe this is not possibl[17:06:28] <Pymous> Someone know why mail from root at mydomain dot com get in the inbox but other at mydomain dot com get in the spambox ?[17:07:36] <Tuxick> ask the spamfilter[17:08:09] <Tuxick> irgendwer4711: aah the ones you get after some days[17:08:26] <Tuxick> that's not bounces[17:08:34] <irgendwer4711> after some days??[17:08:37] <Tuxick> "sorry blah blah"[17:08:53] <Pymous> Tuxick : Do you have his phone numbler ? :D[17:08:58] <Tuxick> no[17:09:12] <Tuxick> but it's totally up to spamfilter what happens[17:09:19] <Tuxick> it's like sending mail to hotmail[17:09:24] <Tuxick> nobody knows what's going on[17:09:24] <irgendwer4711> I mean status mail to the Postmaster[17:09:35] <irgendwer4711> not status mail vom daemon to sender.[17:09:38] <irgendwer4711> *from[17:10:20] <irgendwer4711> notify_classes is the word[17:12:04] <Tuxick> no[17:12:07] <Tuxick> grease is the word[17:12:35] * Tuxick enters weekend with bad joke[17:14:27] <irgendwer4711> :-([17:14:43] *** bjornar_ has joined #postfix[17:24:44] *** irgendwer4711 has left #postfix[17:26:30] *** internat has quit IRC[17:26:46] *** internat has joined #postfix[17:30:30] *** fornax has quit IRC[17:33:45] *** bjornar_ has quit IRC[17:35:47] *** lrea has left #postfix[17:43:33] *** Jay_ has quit IRC[17:44:17] *** Amkei has joined #postfix[17:47:22] *** Amkei has quit IRC[18:01:26] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[18:10:18] <jaybe> !nullmailer[18:10:18] <knoba> jaybe: "nullmailer" : a nullclient program which provides a means for a computer to submit mail to an existing msa. see http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ for more info. also see !nullclient_software, !nullclient and !msa[18:10:28] <jaybe> !nullcient_software[18:10:28] <knoba> jaybe: Error: "nullcient_software" is not a valid command.[18:10:38] <jaybe> !nullclient_software[18:10:38] <knoba> jaybe: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[18:18:32] *** _TheAvatar has quit IRC[18:21:47] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[18:34:01] *** fornax has joined #postfix[18:38:53] *** danieli has joined #postfix[18:41:54] *** indy has quit IRC[18:42:10] *** skweek has joined #postfix[18:44:04] *** skweek has quit IRC[18:44:55] *** indy has joined #postfix[19:03:12] *** roxlu has quit IRC[19:03:26] *** fornax has quit IRC[19:05:38] *** Chill_Surf has joined #postfix[19:05:44] *** warfaren has joined #postfix[19:06:45] *** soosfarm has quit IRC[19:06:49] *** fornax has joined #postfix[19:06:55] *** warfaren has quit IRC[19:06:55] *** warfaren has joined #postfix[19:07:07] <warfaren> i'm trying to set up postfix to send mail over lan for my psvita but i just get the following error: connect from unknown[192.168.2.113], disconnect from unknown[192.168.2.113][19:07:34] *** soosfarm has joined #postfix[19:07:55] <warfaren> it's only for LAN usage so i'm not supposed to use any dns or anything (unless that's required?) but it does work when i set it up on my PC in thunderbird, i can send emails to the psvita just fine. not just send anything back from the vita[19:09:36] *** FinboySlick has joined #postfix[19:17:47] *** nocturn has quit IRC[19:23:14] <warfaren> !getting_help[19:23:14] <knoba> warfaren: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[19:23:40] <warfaren> !relevant_logs[19:23:40] <knoba> warfaren: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[19:24:06] *** nocturn has joined #postfix[19:24:06] *** nocturn has joined #postfix[19:24:17] <warfaren> !showconfig factoids[19:24:17] <knoba> warfaren: Error: "showconfig" is not a valid command.[19:24:25] <warfaren> uh, k...[19:24:44] <warfaren> !showconfig[19:24:44] <knoba> warfaren: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[19:24:46] <warfaren> right[19:26:29] *** nikgod has joined #postfix[19:31:55] *** jwing has quit IRC[19:41:37] <warfaren> :([19:42:17] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[19:44:58] *** jwing has joined #postfix[19:44:58] *** jwing has joined #postfix[19:45:54] <warfaren> here's all the output I get, hope someone can help... : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=q7BZzxYk hostnames are ofcourse faked (via /etc/hosts)[20:00:52] *** Chill_Surf has quit IRC[20:07:18] *** rsx has joined #postfix[20:16:25] *** rsx has quit IRC[20:20:54] *** frdmn has quit IRC[20:22:12] *** frdmn has joined #postfix[20:22:12] *** frdmn has joined #postfix[20:23:48] *** fornax has quit IRC[20:24:02] *** dbalog has joined #postfix[20:28:01] *** fornax has joined #postfix[20:28:15] *** roxlu has joined #postfix[20:28:50] *** roxlu has quit IRC[20:34:42] *** damasceno has quit IRC[20:38:07] *** xcrracer has quit IRC[20:44:04] <Pymous> Hello ![20:44:34] <Pymous> I set up a new postfix installation, I can send mail without any errors, and mail from root at mydomain dot com are received properly (in the inbox, ...)[20:45:00] <Pymous> but mail from ANY other user (no-reply at mydomain dot com, postmaster at mydomain dot com, ...) are received in the Spam[20:45:02] <patdk-wk> !getting_help[20:45:02] <knoba> patdk-wk: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[20:45:04] <patdk-wk> !welcome[20:45:04] <knoba> patdk-wk: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![20:45:04] <Pymous> Any ideas why ?[20:45:08] <patdk-wk> no[20:46:49] <Pymous> patdk-wk : Here is my postconf :) https://zerobin.net/?9861595def5e57f9#FCLuDrnR0dHp/Yvb+c8rOs4dVB+2/xqzYxfoTAZe3P4=[20:48:50] *** DawnFantasy has quit IRC[20:49:16] *** DawnFantasy has joined #postfix[20:49:32] *** sgen has quit IRC[20:49:58] *** sgen has joined #postfix[20:50:40] <Pymous> !relevant_logs[20:50:40] <knoba> Pymous: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[20:51:08] <ploopkazoo> how do I determine whether my postfix install is able to be abused as a relay by spammers?[20:51:31] <Pymous> ploopkazoo : mxtoolbox can help you with that :)[20:51:59] <Pymous> patdk-wk : And here is the full handling of a mail :)[20:51:59] <Pymous> https://zerobin.net/?228e84da141ee7ad#sOFFAE0sEP1KbnHvLRCjrMA+5ZcqxuuiTLE94clifTk=[20:53:15] *** ujjain has quit IRC[20:53:18] *** ujjain- has joined #postfix[20:53:47] *** roxlu has joined #postfix[20:53:51] *** ujjain has joined #postfix[20:53:52] *** ujjain has joined #postfix[20:53:58] <ploopkazoo> oh god dammit[20:54:36] <ploopkazoo> my VPS provider recycles IPs after people delete their VMs (I've actually deleted one and made a new one 5 days later and gotten the same IP again)[20:54:44] <ploopkazoo> and apparently my mail server used to be a tor exit[20:54:56] <ploopkazoo> that would explain all my mail going directly to spam on all providers[20:55:22] <Pymous> http://mxtoolbox.com/[20:55:24] <Pymous> It will tell you[20:56:38] <ploopkazoo> that's what I mean, I'm on the "DAN TOR" blacklist[20:57:10] <Pymous> Sorry for you then :3[20:57:32] <Pymous> Maybe take another VPS on a cheap provider ? Like yourserver.se ?[20:57:43] <Pymous> (By any luck, do you have any idea how to fix my issue ? o/ )[20:58:15] <patdk-wk> Pymous, where is the issue?[20:58:18] <patdk-wk> everything looks fine[20:58:25] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[20:58:29] <Pymous> patdk-wk : In the log, there is none, that's what is a bit frustrating[20:58:39] <patdk-wk> what do you mean?[20:58:40] <Pymous> If I send a mail with the recipient root at clapity dot eu, it works[20:58:41] <patdk-wk> there is none[20:59:01] <Pymous> If I send a mail with the recipient no-reply at clapity dot eu it goes directly in the spam folder[20:59:19] <patdk-wk> wait? postfix has nothing to do with that[20:59:28] <patdk-wk> postfix doesn't even know what a mail folder is[20:59:30] <Pymous> Maybe, but I'm a bit lost :D[21:01:41] <ploopkazoo> oh[21:02:23] <ploopkazoo> domain.tld is one vps which is a tor node[21:02:37] <ploopkazoo> but the mx is a different vps which is not[21:03:02] <ploopkazoo> and it's still blacklisting because of that apparently[21:03:04] <ploopkazoo> ;~;[21:09:10] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[21:09:55] *** frdmn is now known as frdmn_[21:10:13] *** antiatom has quit IRC[21:13:54] *** antiatom has joined #postfix[21:15:28] *** OnkelTem has quit IRC[21:15:35] *** frdmn_ is now known as frdmn[21:15:57] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[21:17:15] *** OnkelTem has joined #postfix[21:26:54] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[21:40:30] *** pti-jean_ has quit IRC[21:40:55] *** MinetestForFun has joined #postfix[21:48:41] *** dbalog has quit IRC[21:53:42] *** drehmer has joined #postfix[21:54:12] *** tharkun has quit IRC[21:55:19] *** Section1 has quit IRC[22:00:12] *** nutt has joined #postfix[22:02:50] *** fornax has quit IRC[22:05:07] <nutt> anyone have a minute to help me with a permission issue?[22:06:11] <nutt> posted my problem here as well http://serverfault.com/questions/724861/centos-and-postfix-permssion-error-on-maildir-file[22:07:41] *** arinov_ has joined #postfix[22:10:26] <warfaren> k so i asked a question here 2 and a half hours ago, should i ask again or just keep waiting?[22:10:57] *** arinov has quit IRC[22:11:32] <nutt> needing some help, can someone take a look at my pastbin? http://pastebin.com/KnygjCgj[22:11:39] <TheFatherMind> You know.. I link people to this cool site that tells them how to get help in IRC.. do's and do not's so to speak. I do not think that is covered on that. I, personally, ask again.[22:12:34] <TheFatherMind> Especially if more people have been talking. I good amount of us will scroll back and check things out. But some do not. It is likely that your question was seen but the ones that saw it did not have a good answer.[22:12:47] <TheFatherMind> So let me ask you... what is your question warfaren?[22:13:12] <lunaphyte> warfaren: if it's been a few hours, it's ok to ask again[22:13:40] <warfaren> I'm trying to set up a mail system for my LAN to send and receive mails between my PC and my PS Vita. PC can do both, but vita is only able to receive atm[22:13:53] <warfaren> here's the output i get (i enabled debugging and verbose)[22:13:59] <lunaphyte> !noverbose[22:13:59] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "noverbose" is not a valid command.[22:14:01] <lunaphyte> bah[22:14:05] <lunaphyte> !no_verbose[22:14:05] <knoba> lunaphyte: "no_verbose" : do not show verbose logs unless someone asks you to[22:14:10] <lunaphyte> aha :)[22:14:16] <lunaphyte> !tell warfaren getting_help[22:14:16] <knoba> warfaren: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[22:14:29] <lunaphyte> did you do a pastebin as per that? ^[22:14:48] <warfaren> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=q7BZzxYk[22:14:56] <warfaren> i read all that before, hope i didnt miss anything[22:15:47] <TheFatherMind> LOL I think I just saw lunaphyte have a minor panic there as to what was coming. hahaha[22:16:23] <warfaren> well i always look through everything i paste so that it doesn't contain anything sensitive[22:16:41] <TheFatherMind> You are a good person warfaren. Keep up the good work.[22:16:45] *** sgen has quit IRC[22:16:57] *** Southron has quit IRC[22:17:05] <warfaren> heh[22:17:11] *** sgen has joined #postfix[22:18:50] <warfaren> so anyway that's where i stand now, whenever i try to send mails from my Vita that's the output it produces (the pastebin link i gave you above) and i get an error on the PS Vita that's not really of any help to you (it's just an error code from sony that means nothing really)[22:18:58] <nutt> could someone look at my problem? got a strange permission issue. http://pastebin.com/KnygjCgj[22:19:46] <TheFatherMind> What port is the vita connecting on?[22:20:02] <warfaren> 25[22:20:46] <TheFatherMind> I, personally, do not do it this way. 25 is for the server to send and receive email to other servers. I use the "submission" port/service on 587[22:21:04] <TheFatherMind> That is where I would start if I were you.[22:21:05] <warfaren> ooh. i see[22:21:20] <warfaren> i recall trying on port 587 but i may have had something else messed up too at that point[22:21:37] <warfaren> also what about the EHLO 127.0.0.1 ? clearly the Vita doesn't want to identify itself with its actual IP?[22:21:42] <TheFatherMind> Compared to the others here I am NO expert. So take anything I say with a grain of digital salt.[22:21:56] <TheFatherMind> I noticed that.[22:22:17] <warfaren> i looked at the log when sending from thunderbird on my pc (which works) and it said EHLO *pc's ip*[22:22:20] <TheFatherMind> That would be the second thing I look at.[22:22:21] <warfaren> which made more sense[22:22:33] <warfaren> but since the Vita is a closed system i can't really configure it very much[22:22:56] <TheFatherMind> When you are using submission I think that changes things a bit as far as the HELO goes.[22:23:12] <TheFatherMind> I am not very learned on that topic.[22:23:14] <warfaren> test time[22:23:18] <TheFatherMind> (:[22:24:00] <TheFatherMind> I mostly configure servers that are on the open internet and require a full auth login on 587.[22:24:20] <warfaren> i see[22:24:24] <TheFatherMind> So I am not very experienced with what you are trying to setup. I have never even considered the client having a HELO when it connects.[22:24:31] <TheFatherMind> Just other transmitting servers.[22:25:18] <TheFatherMind> nutt: I can tell you that walkthroughs/guides are highly discouraged here. (:[22:26:04] <warfaren> hm, am i doing something wrong? when connecting on port 587 it generates no output in the log what so ever[22:26:29] <warfaren> oh, it doesn't currently listen on 587[22:26:41] <warfaren> i saw it listening on that port before though, must have accidently disabled it in the conf[22:26:53] <TheFatherMind> check your master[22:26:54] <nutt> TheFatherMind: ok, just really new to postfix, i've gotten a simple relay setup without TLS but I cannot get this TLS figure out[22:27:12] <warfaren> ah yes, submission line is commented[22:27:36] <warfaren> is it fine to have both the top smtp line and the submission line uncommented at the same time?[22:28:01] <warfaren> i'm guessing so, now it listens on both 587 and 25[22:28:03] <TheFatherMind> I: feel like there may have been an error you omitted from the logs from where you started the data.[22:28:23] <TheFatherMind> nutt: I feel like there may have been an error you omitted from the logs from where you started the data.[22:28:49] <TheFatherMind> warfaren: setting up submission can some times require some tweaking.[22:29:22] <warfaren> yeah it will probably required. i get some output now but still cannot send emails[22:29:26] <warfaren> wanna see the log again?[22:29:35] <TheFatherMind> nutt: reject: RCPT from mydesktop.mydomain.local[192.168.1.180]: 554 5.7.1 <mygmail at gmail dot com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied; from=<me at mydomain dot com> to=<mygmail at gmail dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<ops-001>[22:29:38] <warfaren> maybe my conf too? i could very well have messed something up, i'm completely new to this[22:30:02] <TheFatherMind> That feels to me like you might have left a few things unconfigured while following your howto.[22:30:11] <nutt> TheFatherMind: I can send it again and get a fresh log. I just changed the email address there[22:30:12] <TheFatherMind> You should not see things like "mydomain.com" in your logs.[22:30:29] <TheFatherMind> oh.. okay.[22:30:33] <lunaphyte> you know... you could READ the factoid i shared with you 15 minutes ago and then follow the instructions therein.[22:30:33] <nutt> i removed my actual domain name[22:30:39] <TheFatherMind> Okay, fair enough.[22:30:44] <TheFatherMind> No harm in that.[22:30:56] <lunaphyte> on the contrary:[22:30:58] <lunaphyte> !mung[22:30:58] <knoba> lunaphyte: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.[22:32:20] * TheFatherMind smiles.[22:33:38] <nutt> TheFatherMind: added another chunk of logs of a recent send failure - http://pastebin.com/KnygjCgj[22:33:38] <warfaren> k so these are what the logs say now that i try to connect on 587 (looks pretty much same as before to me): http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V6Fr7vsv[22:34:48] *** sgen has quit IRC[22:34:48] <warfaren> i also dont understand why it's printing all those ipv6 adresses, i thought i disabled ipv6 completely in the config[22:35:56] *** sgen has joined #postfix[22:38:25] <warfaren> also here's my main.cf: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mYFkXyi9[22:40:04] <TheFatherMind> warfaren: this is not how they like to do things here.[22:40:18] <warfaren> ?[22:40:22] <TheFatherMind> [13:14] <lunaphyte> !tell warfaren getting_help[22:40:29] <TheFatherMind> !tell warfaren getting_help[22:40:30] <knoba> warfaren: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[22:41:04] <warfaren> oh you want one paste with all the confs AND the log all at the same place?[22:41:22] <warfaren> i'm sorry, i read it but i didn't catch that[22:41:24] <TheFatherMind> It is not how it is presented but also how you collect the data.[22:41:44] <warfaren> oh yeah you were supposed to run a command to output the conf[22:41:49] <warfaren> rather than just the entire config file?[22:42:02] <TheFatherMind> When you do not follow directions.. WE WILL KNOW![22:42:03] <warfaren> i read it a few hours ago, sorry i thought i still remembered it[22:42:08] <warfaren> hehe ;)[22:42:22] <warfaren> !showconfig[22:42:22] <knoba> warfaren: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[22:42:52] <TheFatherMind> Both your issues are likely simple but beyond me.. So I will stop putting noise into the channel now. (: And leave this to someone else to inspect.[22:43:17] <warfaren> thanks for the help[22:45:31] <warfaren> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9vADT4rq this should be about right then[22:48:01] <rob0> there are no logs, and do get rid of the -v's[22:48:06] <rob0> !verbose[22:48:06] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.[22:49:08] <rob0> What exactly is the problem?[22:49:36] <warfaren> i'm unable to send emails from my PS Vita (although my PC manages to send mails via the same server)[22:49:51] <warfaren> and i don't really get any error message anywhere that gets me anywhere (hence why i enabled verbose)[22:50:49] <warfaren> my logs i pasted previously. but sure i can make one big paste with all 3 of them in there..[22:51:15] *** sgen has quit IRC[22:51:20] <rob0> tell warfaren sasl[22:51:25] <rob0> !tell warfaren sasl[22:51:25] <knoba> warfaren: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[22:51:46] <TheFatherMind> !tell rob0 ![22:51:46] <knoba> TheFatherMind: Error: No factoid matches that key.[22:51:46] <warfaren> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3RfBBejy here's all of it[22:52:00] <rob0> BTW "default_transport=error" is kind of silly[22:52:27] <warfaren> if anything, i may aswell run without encryption as this is just a LAN setup (will never go online) for messing around with[22:52:35] <rob0> oh[22:52:44] <nutt> TheFatherMind: any other suggestions?[22:53:13] <warfaren> i've been trying to disable anything unnecessary in the hopes of disabling anything that could cause a problem[22:53:19] <rob0> bah, verbose :([22:53:36] <warfaren> without verbose i get literraly 2 rows[22:53:38] <rob0> anyway, it seems that the client doesn't like something and disconnects[22:53:39] <warfaren> connected and disconnected[22:53:50] <TheFatherMind> nutt: do not latch on to me. I know about as much about this as rob can fit in his "0". (:[22:53:50] <rob0> ^^ that's what you'd see, yes.[22:53:59] <warfaren> which really gets me nowhere...[22:54:12] <rob0> It means what I just told you it means.[22:54:24] <nutt> haha ok[22:54:34] <rob0> The client has no way in the protocol to tell the server why it can't proceed.[22:54:36] <warfaren> i've also been trying to set up a netcat listening on port 25 just to see what the ps vita is sending to the server, but for some reason it sends no data then[22:55:20] <warfaren> by the way, the server certificate is only being used if encryption is enabled (like with https), right?[22:55:21] <rob0> Maybe the client is set up to AUTH, and it won't proceed when SASL AUTH is not offered.[22:55:35] <warfaren> i have tried with and without that i think[22:55:35] *** penk has quit IRC[22:55:45] <warfaren> i have the following options in the client[22:56:01] <warfaren> SSL: Off / SSL / STARTTLS[22:56:21] <warfaren> and Authentication: IMAP before SMTP / CRAM-MD5 / DIGEST-MD5 / LOGIN / PLAIN[22:56:42] <warfaren> also IMAP before SMTP seems to ignore the server completely. when i pick that the server generates no output whatsoever[22:56:50] <rob0> ugh[22:57:01] <rob0> !pop_b4_smtp[22:57:01] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pop_b4_smtp" is not a valid command.[22:57:08] <warfaren> i think i've tried every other combination and they all generate some kind of output but none actually work[22:57:12] <rob0> !pop_before_smtp[22:57:12] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pop_before_smtp" is not a valid command.[22:57:22] <warfaren> !pop3_before_smtp[22:57:22] <knoba> warfaren: Error: "pop3_before_smtp" is not a valid command.[22:57:23] <warfaren> maybe?[22:57:24] <warfaren> k[22:57:28] <rob0> !factoids search pop[22:57:28] <knoba> rob0: 'popbeforesmtp', 'pop', 'pop3', 'popcorn', and 'jimpop'[22:57:43] <rob0> !popbeforesmtp[22:57:43] <knoba> rob0: "popbeforesmtp" : SMTP-after-POP (or POP-before-SMTP) is a way to allow road-warriors to relay mail through your mail server. Look at: http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb/postfix/postfix_pop-before-smtp_en.shtml[22:57:52] <rob0> arrrgh[22:57:59] <rob0> !forget popbeforesmtp[22:58:08] <warfaren> k[22:58:59] <warfaren> why are we talking about POP anyway? isn't that for receiving mail? which is unrelated here?[22:59:07] <warfaren> i can receive mail fine. i just cant send[22:59:29] *** gu1lle_1 has joined #postfix[22:59:35] <rob0> !learn popbeforesmtp as An ancient, ugly kludge to try to authenticate SMTP senders out of band; Just Say No to POP/IMAP-before-SMTP. See !sasl and !submission[23:00:19] <rob0> !learn imapbeforesmtp as See !popbeforesmtp[23:00:31] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[23:00:32] *** gu1lle_1 is now known as gu1lle_[23:03:09] <warfaren> so is this the part where i should fire up tcpdump?[23:03:18] <warfaren> i feel like i'm out of clues[23:04:27] <rob0> um, no.[23:05:21] <rob0> Apparently the client requires AUTH. Go back to the !sasl that I told you awhile ago.[23:05:43] <warfaren> oh, i thought that was only if i wanted encryption enabled which i don't[23:06:03] <rob0> SASL != SSL/TLS[23:06:15] <warfaren> very well, i shall have a look[23:13:18] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[23:17:12] *** MinetestForFun has quit IRC[23:24:40] *** FinboySlick has quit IRC[23:25:18] <warfaren> rob0: well, it appears to do something. it takes much longer for the vita to throw the error now and plenty of new output[23:26:07] *** infides has quit IRC[23:26:17] <warfaren> although i think i messed it up somewhere, for one because /var/spool/postfix/private/auth keeps being owned by root instead of postfix[23:26:32] <warfaren> which throws an error in the log until i chown it to postfix:postfix[23:28:31] *** roxlu has quit IRC[23:28:50] <warfaren> nevermind, i think i know what i did wrong[23:31:03] <warfaren> wow i finally solved it i think[23:31:06] <warfaren> w00t[23:33:03] <warfaren> rob0: thanks so much for helping me[23:35:45] <rob0> yw[23:39:52] *** drehmer has quit IRC[23:41:07] *** guampa has joined #postfix[23:41:56] *** dstarh has quit IRC[23:44:45] *** nutt has quit IRC[23:49:33] *** pepperoni has joined #postfix[23:55:11] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[23:56:04] *** tharkun has quit IRC[23:56:22] *** tharkun has joined #postfix