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[00:53:06] <digs> I am trying to relay mail through my hosted exchange provider. I have setup a sasl authentication password file. I can send to my domain, which would work unauthenticated, but when I try to send to the outside world, I get a bounced message. http://codepad.org/61zMmBiJ
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[00:54:58] <digs> I am getting relay access denied. I thought I had the authentication setup correctly.
[00:59:25] <ag4ve_> can i do cert pinning if i still allow normal unencrypted smtp?
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[03:15:54] <pj> digs: line 35 is cut off in your paste, it's important to see the rest of that line.
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[11:39:14] <nfi|ermes> hi all
[11:39:59] <nfi|ermes> I have a server with postfix and spamassassin. Which is the best way to get report or stats about scanned and clean emails ?
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[16:56:00] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Sorry for my question is not related specifically to postfix, it is more a generic issue. I've just got a letter from a colleague and it's dated like hour ago or so
[16:56:15] <Dominian> ok
[16:56:22] <Dominian> What do the headers in the email show?
[16:56:27] <OnkelTem> is it possible to figure out the reason by looking at headers?
[16:56:29] <OnkelTem> oops
[16:56:34] <OnkelTem> moment!
[16:56:41] <Dominian> absolutely
[16:59:49] <OnkelTem> https://gist.github.com/OnkelTem/5439e5edabc92231a209
[17:00:38] <lunaphyte> the mail client which created the message claims it was created at Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:52:42 +0400
[17:00:49] <OnkelTem> windows... :)
[17:01:20] <lunaphyte> the message was received by google at Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
[17:01:29] <OnkelTem> i.e. - correctly
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[17:01:48] <Dominian> Looks to me like it went through nearly immediately
[17:02:38] <OnkelTem> Thanks. I was not sure which date to look at. Now I know
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[20:24:51] <patdk-wk> spam is really going downhill, IP number; 330.651.935
[20:25:17] <rob0> that's IPv5
[20:25:59] <Tuxick> 3
[20:26:22] <Tuxick> suffered bad spam run today
[20:26:31] <Tuxick> 2 russian botnets at same time
[20:27:09] <Tuxick> both going through recipient list alphabetically
[20:27:32] <patdk-wk> oh, those are quickly blocked
[20:27:38] <patdk-wk> too many failed attempts, banned
[20:27:45] <Tuxick> no not many failed
[20:27:48] <patdk-wk> used to see that often
[20:27:54] <Tuxick> but fail2ban grew to 6000 quick enough
[20:28:00] <patdk-wk> all valid recepients?
[20:28:08] <Tuxick> most of them
[20:28:09] <patdk-wk> oh, random ip's
[20:28:15] <Tuxick> of course, botnets :)
[20:28:27] <patdk-wk> ya, attempting to make my mind process info
[20:30:01] <Tuxick> have a coffee!
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[20:31:08] <Tuxick> meanwhile hotmail blocking our main server since last thursday and management can't understand there's nothing i can do
[20:31:50] <Tuxick> well i can, today created 130 accounts for those people who insisted getting their mail @hotmail
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[22:17:50] <jaguar-es> I've added RBL's that show these IPs from the Received: headers, but I'm still getting spam
[22:18:10] <jaguar-es> and each spam I check the IP in the RBLs, those still show up as blacklisted
[22:18:13] <jaguar-es> but I get so much spam still
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[22:23:54] <pj> jaguar-es: when you check an RBL it checks against the client connection IP, not against the Received: headers.  If you check against the Received: headers you will get lots of false positives.
[22:24:16] <jaguar-es> hmm
[22:24:24] <jaguar-es> well, the main goal is to block this spam.. it's really bad
[22:24:33] <pj> then find other ways to block it.
[22:24:56] <jaguar-es> yeah.. lots of webpages on it
[22:25:15] <pj> are you using postscreen?
[22:25:33] <jaguar-es> no.. haven't heard of it
[22:25:42] <pj> !tell jaguar-es postscreen
[22:25:42] <knoba> jaguar-es: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html
[22:25:54] <pj> it may help, also you'll want to use SpamAssassin
[22:26:11] <jaguar-es> I have spamassassin installed.. it just [currently?] adds headers and my mail client must filter that and drop them in a spam folder.. but I need something better than that
[22:26:35] <pj> what, is there a problem with delivering spam to the spam folder?
[22:26:56] <pj> I have never once had a user complain about that
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[22:27:34] <jaguar-es> spamassassin's analysis is often wrong
[22:27:49] <pj> you need to tweak, then.
[22:27:54] <jaguar-es> so I filter only above a certain spamassassin (sa) rank..
[22:28:14] <jaguar-es> but I think the IPs, From: addresses and such should be in many blacklist databases
[22:28:17] <pj> and that's why you deliver to Spam: so that false positives can be easily retrieved.
[22:28:52] <pj> no, there is a lot of Spam that comes from legitimate email servers, you can't blacklist those.
[22:29:32] <jaguar-es> WenHairCare at xozazabu dot review
[22:29:54] <jaguar-es> like that person.. I can't find an email address blacklist anywhere, yet
[22:30:11] <pj> probably because they are too easy to bypass.
[22:30:14] <jaguar-es> (I know they will just randomize the stuff if we go that route)
[22:31:00] <jaguar-es> hmm.. is the connecting IP in the header somewhere?
[22:31:09] <pj> give postscreen a shot, it may help.  At the very least it will reduce the load on SA and you will probably be able to better tweak SA as a result.
[22:32:36] <jaguar-es> http://pastebin.com/xQSLUQZf
[22:33:41] <jaguar-es> okay.. reading about postscreen.  (what do you think about the x-spam-report values?)
[22:33:53] <pj> did that one turn out to be SPAM?
[22:34:22] <jaguar-es> well, it came through as 5.4
[22:34:37] <jaguar-es> New from WEN -- the secret to celebs gorgeous hair
[22:35:53] <jaguar-es> The URL's they list in the email could also be good sources for examination and blocking: Order it now http://www.xozazabu.review/l/lt7N3075QA103HN/158SM241X676DD27P32760503ER2892158520
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[22:36:06] <pj> ok, well I think that 2.7 score for the psbl RBL is harsh, if you read up on psbl it is a policy list which means that any residential IP can be on it, so it will cause false positives.
[22:36:37] <jaguar-es> oh.. and I was thinking I should raise that (I've not tweaked sa's values ever)
[22:37:02] <jaguar-es> I was looking at psbl's site.. but don't know good values for things..
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[22:37:05] <pj> no, it's why you don't check RBLs against Received: headers...
[22:37:05] <jaguar-es> still reading postscreen
[22:37:13] <pj> I have to run out, I'll bbiab
[22:37:16] <jaguar-es> thanks a lot
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[23:18:36] <patdk-wk> pj, not true
[23:18:43] <pj> jaguar-es: ok, quick explanation ... a lot of RBLs are policy blacklists, which means that they blacklist entire ranges of IPs which should just be for residential use...
[23:18:56] <patdk-wk> psbl should not be running email servers, ever
[23:19:01] <pj> right
[23:19:03] <pj> they should not
[23:19:14] <patdk-wk> wait, he checked headers against rbl's?
[23:19:14] <pj> but not everything that appears in a "Received:' header is an email server
[23:19:32] <patdk-wk> ya, don't use psbl for that
[23:19:44] <patdk-wk> there are a *few* rbl's that you can do that with
[23:19:49] <pj> the oldest Received: header is usually a Residential connection to a submission server.
[23:19:50] <jaguar-es> I just use reject_rbl_client
[23:20:45] <pj> jaguar-es: that's fine, but the SA score of 2.7 is for a policy blacklist appearing in a Received: header.
[23:21:11] <pj> and that header could be a residential connection to a submission server, which is perfectly legitimate.
[23:21:30] <patdk-wk> heh, xozazabu.review is on my dnsbl
[23:21:54] <patdk-wk> domain <1day old, reject
[23:22:23] <pj> patdk-wk: from a whiois lookup?  those can sometimes be deceiving.
[23:22:35] <patdk-wk> how so?
[23:22:43] <pj> domain transfer?
[23:22:54] <patdk-wk> that doesn't change the date
[23:22:57] <patdk-wk> maybe your confused
[23:23:31] <pj> domain that expired and was renewed, a crappy registrar that changes the date every time a domain gets renewed.
[23:23:38] <patdk-wk> won't change the date either
[23:23:49] <patdk-wk> no they don't, ever
[23:24:19] <patdk-wk> I have a few million whois results in my db, that it checks
[23:24:22] <patdk-wk> I have never seen that happen
[23:24:41] <pj> hrmmmm, ok.
[23:25:15] <patdk-wk> and, I really wouldn't care too much anyways
[23:25:22] <patdk-wk> I checked the whois last year
[23:25:27] <patdk-wk> it was active then
[23:25:32] <patdk-wk> why would I care if it was renewed
[23:25:37] <patdk-wk> I know the domain is a year old atleast
[23:26:10] <patdk-wk> so even if that does happen, it would cause no sideffects
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[23:30:46] <jaguar-es> so much to do at once.. insane
[23:31:02] <jaguar-es> you have your own dnsbl?
[23:31:06] <jaguar-es> how do you add to it?
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