September 21, 2015 
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September 21, 2015 [00:03:59] *** arinov has quit IRC[00:05:36] *** arinov has joined #postfix[00:10:19] <professor_> rob0: my virtual-mailbox-domain contains: turnkeysolutions.se OK and my virtual-mailbox-users and virtual contains the correct username@domain. Can it be something else?[00:13:09] *** skweeke has joined #postfix[00:13:44] *** skweeke has quit IRC[00:23:32] *** yosafbridge has quit IRC[00:27:06] *** yosafbridge has joined #postfix[00:34:11] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[00:36:07] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[00:42:58] *** MinetestForFun has quit IRC[00:50:57] *** Batch has quit IRC[01:20:11] *** sina0 has quit IRC[01:22:40] *** [NoClan]GoAway has quit IRC[01:28:39] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[01:29:03] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[01:32:49] *** dbalog has joined #postfix[01:36:10] *** [NoClan]GoAway has joined #postfix[01:36:59] *** jra has joined #postfix[01:38:42] *** jra has left #postfix[01:44:44] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[01:51:02] *** ghostlines has quit IRC[01:56:55] *** m82labs has joined #postfix[02:14:36] *** dbalog has quit IRC[02:22:52] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[02:24:38] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[02:24:57] *** misterli has quit IRC[02:38:43] *** misterli has joined #postfix[02:41:39] *** professor_ has quit IRC[03:18:51] *** colona has quit IRC[03:19:39] *** colona has joined #postfix[03:29:25] *** midacts has quit IRC[03:30:25] *** midacts has joined #postfix[03:32:23] *** penk has joined #postfix[03:35:38] *** penk has quit IRC[03:36:02] *** leprechau has quit IRC[03:40:46] *** the-erm1 has quit IRC[03:41:03] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[03:47:12] *** m82labs has quit IRC[03:48:15] *** bjornar_ has quit IRC[03:56:22] *** penk has joined #postfix[04:10:55] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[04:10:56] *** internat has quit IRC[04:11:22] *** internat has joined #postfix[04:40:26] *** joules has quit IRC[05:09:15] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[05:31:31] *** sina0 has quit IRC[05:39:53] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[05:43:38] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[05:43:44] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[05:55:40] *** penk has quit IRC[06:08:33] *** lotuspsychje has joined #postfix[06:09:11] *** bijan_ has joined #postfix[06:09:41] <bijan_> Hi. Can I remove sendmail when I have postfix installed? Is postfix a dropin replacement?[06:10:15] <Dominian> postfix is an MTA just like sendmail[06:10:33] <Dominian> Usually distros won't allow you to keep sendmail installed when you install psotfix.. so in short..yes.. it is a drop in replacement[06:11:27] <pj> there are ways to run both at once, and most distros allow them to be parallel-installed, but you really hsould have just one or the other.[06:18:24] <bijan_> thx[06:19:33] <bijan_> How can I check if my mail server is well configured and services like gmail don't flag it as spam? I want to use emails for user signups etc on my site[06:21:15] <Motoko> You could use this site to check if your IP is on any blocklists: http://multirbl.valli.org/[06:21:54] *** lotuspsychje has left #postfix[06:22:03] <bijan_> does one need DKIM? I'm new to mail configuration and I saw this tutorial: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-dkim-with-postfix-on-debian-wheezy[06:22:56] <bijan_> it also says in the prequesites that something named dovecot needs to be installed next to postfix. seems complicated. is the DKIM setup really needed?[06:44:18] <pj> !tell bijan_ basics[06:44:18] <knoba> pj: Error: No factoid matches that key.[06:44:20] <pj> !tell bijan_ basic[06:44:21] <knoba> bijan_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[06:45:55] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[06:47:38] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[06:50:59] *** sina0 has quit IRC[07:00:50] *** damyan^ has quit IRC[07:03:20] *** damyan^ has joined #postfix[07:07:39] *** ghostlines has joined #postfix[07:16:01] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[07:30:07] *** bijan_ has quit IRC[07:37:29] <fling> How to rebuild? /etc/postfix/postgrey_whitelist_clients.cdb[07:45:25] <pj> !postmap[07:45:25] <knoba> pj: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')[07:49:53] *** joules has joined #postfix[07:53:44] *** madduck has joined #postfix[07:58:13] *** Motoko has quit IRC[08:18:46] *** DawnFantasy has joined #postfix[08:18:58] *** carl- has joined #postfix[08:19:06] *** sina0 has quit IRC[08:19:36] *** Ashley` has quit IRC[08:21:14] *** Ashley` has joined #postfix[08:28:51] *** jwing has quit IRC[08:30:17] *** jwing has joined #postfix[08:32:29] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[08:45:24] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[08:59:41] *** superlinux has joined #postfix[09:01:42] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[09:04:47] *** fzirngibl has joined #postfix[09:04:58] <superlinux> hi. yesterday I asked about how to make a whitelist of email adresses that can send my company. now, what I understood is that I have to do it in postfix. what I know is that something like dovecot should be the one which is supposed to block such emails since it's the one responsible of receiving the emails from outside. so would someone obviate and clarify things to me? what's wrong with what I know. thanks.[09:09:44] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:12:54] *** ghostlines has quit IRC[09:14:08] <pj> superlinux: no, dovecot does not receive mail from the internet.[09:14:21] <pj> !tell superlinux basic[09:14:21] <knoba> superlinux: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[09:14:36] <superlinux> ok[09:15:09] <superlinux> so dovecote it's just to deliver mail[09:15:47] <pj> dovecot is an MDA, mailstore and IMAP client, among other things.[09:16:10] <superlinux> ok. got it.[09:16:30] <pj> it's main purpose is as an IMAP client. Your email client connects to it to retrieve your mail.[09:16:46] <pj> errr IMAP server[09:16:49] <pj> bleh[09:16:53] <superlinux> yes.. pizza delivery guy LOL[09:31:41] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[09:49:36] *** ogny has joined #postfix[09:49:37] *** ogny has joined #postfix[09:56:01] <survietamine> hello, is it impossible to add some " -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/restricted_senders,..." because of the whitespace after check_sender_access in version < 3.0 ?[09:56:12] <survietamine> I have to put that in main.cf?[09:56:54] *** Norrland has left #postfix[10:04:07] *** superlinux has left #postfix[10:16:05] <pj> put in main.cf: foo_relay_restrictions=check_sender_access ...[10:16:26] <pj> then in master.cf: -o smtpd_relay-restrictions=$foo_relay_restrictions[10:16:34] <pj> errr s/-/_/[10:16:35] *** geo27 has quit IRC[10:17:30] <fling> pj: Hello.[10:18:13] <fling> '-o header_checks=/etc/postfix/header_checks' is not working in master.cf somewhy, looks like it is just getting ignored -> https://bpaste.net/show/a0ddadf447ec[10:19:37] <pj> fling: you're missing the pcre: designator.[10:20:55] *** skynews has joined #postfix[10:21:54] <fling> pj: omg! thanks :P[10:23:07] <pj> yw[10:28:48] *** Darcidride has joined #postfix[10:32:59] <survietamine> pj: aaaaah, great, I've never done that. Thank you :)[10:33:01] *** moijk has joined #postfix[10:38:14] *** TyrfingMjolnir has joined #postfix[10:39:16] <fling> pj: changed to this -> '-o header_checks=regexp:/etc/postfix/submission_smtpd_header_checks' But I don't see it in `postconf -n` output.[10:40:14] <pj> fling: man postconf, look at what "-n" actually shows[11:00:04] <fling> pj: is `postsuper -r ALL` ignoring what I have in master.cf when requeueing ?[11:03:43] <fling> /etc/postfix/submission_smtpd_header_checks -> https://bpaste.net/show/c91cb8e44150[11:04:02] <fling> /etc/postfix/master.cf -> https://bpaste.net/show/d17723c1a58b[11:04:02] <DominikB> fling, it requeue it and then run it against your settings[11:04:44] <fling> DominikB: but I see with postcat a lot of spammy mail with random 'From:' in the deffered.[11:05:30] <DominikB> fling, maybe they have no destination you can check the reason why the are deffred in the logs[11:06:19] <fling> DominikB: sure, because they are blacklisted on the destinanion.[11:07:39] <fling> DominikB: I also have different header_checks in main.cf which is getting ignored for these mails too; postconf -n -> https://bpaste.net/show/4d275bdca405[11:07:53] <fling> DominikB: /etc/postfix/header_checks -> https://bpaste.net/show/1fa30cae6e86[11:08:55] <fling> DominikB: I have two tasks: 1. intercept everything from agmu user; 2. intercept everything outgoing not using 'zdravalt' in From: header part.[11:09:05] <DominikB> ok[11:09:13] *** faxmodem has joined #postfix[11:09:30] <fling> These mails should match what I have in /etc/postfix/submission_smtpd_header_checks but they don't[11:12:05] <DominikB> fling, i'm not certain about but maybe the requeue dosn't do header checks when the mail is from defered[11:12:30] <fling> DominikB: nah, it does.[11:12:44] <fling> DominikB: atleast it does what i have in main.cf but not in master.cf[11:12:49] <fling> pj: What do you think?[11:13:24] <faxmodem> what in postfix config could cause local mail to be delivered to localhost.mydomain.mytld instead of plain localhost?[11:14:17] <faxmodem> or is it considered a good practice to add localhost.mydomain.mytld to $mydestination ?[11:14:45] <fling> faxmodem: or something like myhostname.local.mydomain.mytld[11:14:48] <fling> faxmodem: and also add it to dns[11:15:55] <fling> I will just drop these messages from the queue for now…[11:16:07] <fling> faxmodem: nice nickname, btw, just noticed :D[11:18:41] <fling> This works -> [root@mail ~]# mailq | grep agmu | sed s/\ .*// | xargs -n1 postsuper -v -d[11:24:11] <fling> DominikB: ok, new messages getting relayed and header_checks part of master.cf is getting ignored.[11:25:30] <DominikB> fling, whats the output of postconf -Mf[11:26:02] <fling> invalid option -- 'M'[11:26:44] <DominikB> oh sry your postfix is then older then 2.9[11:28:12] <fling> DominikB: am I out of luck? :P[11:28:25] <DominikB> nope :D[11:28:35] <DominikB> but i wpunder whats your master conf looks like[11:29:01] <fling> https://bpaste.net/show/0ba7ce50d9c5[11:35:51] <DominikB> fling, your settings in master are only for submissions services not for the maildrop queue imho[11:36:14] <fling> DominikB: how to fix easily?[11:36:38] <DominikB> fling, have to look something up[11:38:46] <DominikB> fling, add this to the cleanup demon in the master conf -o header_checks=regexp:/etc/postfix/submission_smtpd_header_checks[11:39:33] <Mogget> We have a postfix gateway/smarthost and one of the recipients is an Exchange server. The Exchange administrator turned on spamfiltering, which means that the postfix mailq is now full of email in limbo because we cannot bounce it back to undeserving emailusers in the world. Is there "something" I can do to relieve this issue?[11:40:19] <pj> !backscatter[11:40:19] <knoba> pj: "backscatter" : see http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html - Basically backscatter are bounces sent to innocent systems. A spammer sent email in behalf of the victim's system. Undeliverable emails get bounced to the victim.[11:40:44] <fling> DominikB: should I just put it under 'cleanup unix n - n - 0 cleanup' line?[11:40:46] <pj> Mogget: make sure you reject spam properly[11:40:58] <DominikB> fling, yep like for submission[11:41:12] <fling> DominikB: but I don't need it for submission, right? :P[11:42:02] <DominikB> fling, you could let it in[11:42:08] <Mogget> pj: I agree with you and I know this is best practice. I was hoping this issue has happened enough that there was something made for that specific situation.[11:43:36] <pj> you're a relayhost so you should be authenticating connections, why would an authenticated connection be sending you spam?[11:44:16] <pj> if it is then there are more serious problems.[11:46:02] <pj> it sounds more like you're not a relayhost, but rather an MX and you're forwarding mail to another exchange server.[11:46:39] <pj> you probably need to talk to the admin of the exchange server. He shouldn't be spam filtering unless he's the public-facing MX.[11:46:54] <fling> DominikB: with cleanup it also works for incoming mail too. I need to use it only for outgoing.[11:47:41] <DominikB> ok[11:48:03] <DominikB> but you have to set it to cleanup your queues[11:48:15] <DominikB> then you can just set it in submision[11:48:47] <fling> I've used this for cleaning -> [root@mail ~]# mailq | grep agmu | sed s/\ .*// | xargs -n1 postsuper -v -d[11:49:14] <fling> The problem is it isn't working when used in submission.[11:49:23] <fling> Looks like it is getting ignored somehow.[11:51:29] <pj> fling: the issue I think is that header_checks is run by cleanup, not smtpd. I thought that maybe smtpd would pass the option on, but it looks like it probably doesn't, so you may be stuck. It may be possible that the only way to do what you want is with multiple postfix instances[11:52:23] <fling> pj: it works fine with cleanup, yes, but also affecting incoming.[11:52:30] <fling> pj: D'oh![11:54:14] <pj> !postmulti[11:54:14] <knoba> pj: "postmulti" : http://www.postfix.org/postmulti.1.html :: Multiple instance management support in Postfix 2.6+[11:54:20] <pj> fling: ^^^^[11:57:44] <fling> ok…[11:57:52] <fling> How to drop mails by 'sender: agmu_ped2 at barnaul dot zdravalt.ru' ?[11:57:58] <fling> As a temporary solution :P[11:58:09] <fling> Envelope record^[11:58:14] <Tuxick> what was the name of that postfix/mail UI thing?[11:58:23] <fling> Tuxick: vi[11:58:32] <Tuxick> fling: yes it is for me[11:58:41] <Tuxick> but i need something for monkeys[11:58:42] <fling> same here[11:58:45] <fling> ohh[11:59:04] <Tuxick> so others can take care of creating accounts, change password etc[11:59:25] <Tuxick> there's this rather popular thing i can't remember name of[12:00:05] <Tuxick> there's postfix admin, but that's not the one i mean[12:00:25] <fling> Tuxick: dovecot[12:01:02] <Tuxick> duh[12:01:29] <Tuxick> is postfixadmin ldap aware?[12:01:33] *** arinov_ has joined #postfix[12:01:38] <fling> idk[12:01:58] <fling> Tuxick: I'm now ditching in a box with dovecot and postfix running[12:02:05] <fling> Tuxick: the users are in a mysql db[12:02:06] <pj> !check_sender_access[12:02:06] <knoba> pj: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.[12:02:12] <pj> fling: ^^^^[12:02:39] <Tuxick> ba it doesn't[12:02:51] <pj> !tell Tuxick postfixadmin[12:02:51] <knoba> Tuxick: "postfixadmin" : used for managing email accounts through a web interface (http://high5.net/postfixadmin/). Further, this channel is for issues regarding postfix. For postfixadmin support, please try the postfixadmin mailing list or the postfixadmin channel.[12:02:57] <Tuxick> why is everyone so scared of ldap?[12:05:14] *** arinov has quit IRC[12:06:05] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[12:07:13] <Tuxick> grr still can't remember name[12:07:25] <DominikB> Tuxick, vimbeadmin[12:07:33] <Tuxick> nono[12:13:14] <Tuxick> i think it was some package deal around postfix[12:17:57] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[12:19:24] <Tuxick> iredmail was the name i was looking for :)[12:27:03] <DominikB> fling, http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#check_sender_access ;)[12:46:03] *** arinov_ has quit IRC[12:46:19] *** arinov has joined #postfix[13:37:06] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[13:40:18] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[14:13:17] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[14:16:20] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[14:17:20] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:17:23] *** sarri has quit IRC[14:19:29] *** sarri has joined #postfix[14:33:08] <thumbs> !acess[14:33:08] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "acess" is not a valid command.[14:33:12] *** Darcidride has joined #postfix[14:33:12] <thumbs> !access[14:33:12] <knoba> thumbs: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[14:33:19] <thumbs> hrm[14:34:33] <survietamine> is it possible to control only a few parts of accounts using smtpd_sender_login_maps?[14:34:51] <survietamine> I mean, I want to "protect" foo at example dot net but not checking others[14:35:19] *** gamba47 has joined #postfix[14:35:58] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[14:49:52] *** fzirngibl has quit IRC[14:51:52] <survietamine> ah, maybe this reject_known_sender_login_mismatch[14:51:54] <survietamine> I'll try[14:56:56] *** fzirngibl has joined #postfix[14:59:33] *** rsx has joined #postfix[15:00:31] *** penk has joined #postfix[15:03:16] *** Amkei has joined #postfix[15:08:31] *** FinboySlick has joined #postfix[15:10:29] *** jaggzes has quit IRC[15:10:55] *** jaggzes has joined #postfix[15:13:01] *** internat has quit IRC[15:13:23] *** Chill_Surf has joined #postfix[15:13:29] *** internat has joined #postfix[15:17:32] <higuita> reject_known_sender_login_mismatch is for forcing that the login email is the ones used to send the email (sender)[15:19:58] *** penk has quit IRC[15:21:01] <survietamine> I know, but I don't want to protect all addresses[15:21:33] <survietamine> it is good with reject_*known*_sender_login_mismatch[15:24:16] <higuita> maybe using smtpd_restriction_classe to enable auth on some users, but not others?[15:24:35] *** KaiForce has joined #postfix[15:25:47] <higuita> or better yet, use the submission port for the accounts that need auth, and the smtp for those that don't need[15:32:10] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[15:34:04] <KaiForce> I have postfix sitting behind an ASSP proxy and during a large (32MB) email transfer, ASSP is logging 421 4.4.2 - Timeout Exceeded. Postfix logs "timeout after MAIL". Is there a parameter in postfix that controls how long an smtp connection can stay active?[15:34:22] *** Darcidride_ has joined #postfix[15:34:35] <lunaphyte> postfix should be in front of assp, not behind it[15:34:47] <lunaphyte> grr. that software's author is really turning into a bit of a nuisance[15:36:37] <KaiForce> lunaphyte: we can leave ASSP out of the discussion. If I were to remove it and have this issue, is there a timeout in postfix that would drop a connection if exceeded?[15:37:37] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[15:39:55] <lunaphyte> send a test message with assp removed, and then provide a pastebin as per !getting_help[15:40:27] <KaiForce> !getting_help[15:40:27] <knoba> KaiForce: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[15:40:55] <KaiForce> !relevant_logs[15:40:55] <knoba> KaiForce: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[15:41:40] <KaiForce> !showconfig[15:41:40] <knoba> KaiForce: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[15:43:31] <KaiForce> not relevant to my question, but when I say "in front of" inbound mail flow is internet=>fw=>assp=>postfix. ASSP won't work otherwise.[15:44:12] <lunaphyte> yeah, i know.[15:44:24] <lunaphyte> it's one of the frustrating things about that software[15:52:52] <survietamine> higuita: no, I want sasl auth for all users, but I'll like to protect against mismatch only for some domains/users today. Maybe later, it'll be for all users[15:56:19] *** madduck has quit IRC[15:56:28] *** madduck has joined #postfix[16:00:50] *** penk has joined #postfix[16:12:16] *** qaigdd has joined #postfix[16:14:14] *** gamba47 has quit IRC[16:26:36] *** mikecmpbll has joined #postfix[16:44:28] *** pti-jean_ has joined #postfix[16:46:12] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[16:47:13] *** nocturn has quit IRC[16:49:42] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[16:49:53] *** nocturn has joined #postfix[16:51:37] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[16:52:41] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[16:56:26] *** Amkei has quit IRC[16:59:22] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[16:59:37] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[16:59:45] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[17:03:07] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[17:03:37] *** fzirngibl has quit IRC[17:09:37] *** Amkei has joined #postfix[17:25:26] *** ogny has quit IRC[17:31:32] *** skweek has quit IRC[17:31:46] *** TyrfingMjolnir has quit IRC[17:32:34] *** TyrfingMjolnir has joined #postfix[17:43:06] *** Klamity has quit IRC[17:49:22] *** skweek has joined #postfix[17:53:48] *** davispuh has joined #postfix[17:57:05] *** Kesker has joined #postfix[18:00:23] *** Darcidride_ has quit IRC[18:04:24] *** davispuh has quit IRC[18:05:15] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:05:17] *** a_west- has quit IRC[18:07:20] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:08:23] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:09:53] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:10:32] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:11:37] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:12:29] *** rsx has quit IRC[18:12:49] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:15:04] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:15:21] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:15:35] <higuita> survietamine: i think that is not possible, using the same port... using different ports, it might... black list users match users in the "free login" port and then configure another port that requires the same email match[18:16:41] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:17:33] *** skynews has quit IRC[18:21:17] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:21:35] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:21:45] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:22:28] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:23:10] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:23:45] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:24:42] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:25:21] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[18:25:43] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[18:30:38] *** ethand320 has joined #postfix[18:31:31] *** magyar has joined #postfix[18:31:31] *** magyar has joined #postfix[18:31:43] *** ethand320 has left #postfix[18:31:50] *** ethand320 has joined #postfix[18:33:45] <ethand320> !welcome[18:33:45] <knoba> ethand320: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![18:35:08] <ethand320> !getting_help[18:35:08] <knoba> ethand320: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[18:41:20] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:46:44] *** ThomasKeller has joined #postfix[18:48:41] *** githogori_ has quit IRC[18:49:37] *** ThomasKeller has quit IRC[18:54:15] *** qaigdd has quit IRC[18:59:34] *** DawnFantasy has quit IRC[18:59:40] *** TheFatherMind has quit IRC[18:59:59] *** TheFatherMind has joined #postfix[19:00:01] *** DawnFantasy has joined #postfix[19:02:02] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[19:04:52] *** junixbr has joined #postfix[19:05:57] *** magyar has quit IRC[19:07:33] *** rts- has joined #postfix[19:07:47] <rts-> Are there any methods to make mail immutable on a system... to comply with FRCP law in the USA, a business needs to have all relevant digital information archived... i need to figure out how to archive the email system, both incoming and outgoing emails, so a user can't just delete emails?[19:07:49] *** MinetestForFun has joined #postfix[19:10:14] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:10:41] *** magyar has joined #postfix[19:10:56] <lunaphyte> !tell rts- always_bcc[19:10:56] <knoba> rts-: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.[19:14:01] <rts-> Thanks lunaphyte, but what about all mails sent out, not just received?[19:14:25] <lunaphyte> "each message that is received"[19:14:38] <thumbs> rts-: messages are received via submission.[19:14:39] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean by "sent out"[19:14:52] <thumbs> rts-: then postfix decides what to do with it.[19:14:56] <lunaphyte> postfix cannot send a message without first receiving it from somewhere[19:15:01] <rts-> sorry, i see, i understand now[19:15:06] <lunaphyte> postfix just routes mail, it doesn't create it[19:15:27] <rts-> i was reading that as only messages received FOR users on the system... not including messages the local users were SENDING to others.[19:15:28] <thumbs> before re-routing the mail, it bccs. Then you're all set.[19:15:43] <thumbs> rts-: you need to forget about all that silly stuff.[19:15:45] <rts-> I get it now, its bi-directional mail traffic that would be copied to the account[19:15:46] <lunaphyte> oh, yeah, definitely avoid reading into the docs[19:15:56] <lunaphyte> instead interpet them literally[19:16:12] <rts-> lol. now i feel dumb.[19:16:21] <rts-> thanks though guys, that answers my questions[19:16:31] *** Amkei has quit IRC[19:16:47] <thumbs> rts-: it doesn't matter if another mx sent the mail to your server, or if a user used the submission port to send an email[19:16:55] <rts-> important thing to know now since they can inform the FRCP rules whether you knew about them or not.[19:17:03] <thumbs> rts-: postfix sees an email that needs to be routed.[19:17:16] <rts-> enforce, not inform[19:17:18] <rts-> yeah thanks thumbs[19:17:22] <thumbs> rts-: the difference is that with submission, you can apply different restrictions.[19:17:34] <rts-> such as?[19:17:46] <thumbs> rts-: require STARTTLS, authentication, etc.[19:17:57] <rts-> ah yes, i have that all setup[19:19:14] <thumbs> rts-: or even have those emails use another transport.[19:19:24] *** Olipro has quit IRC[19:19:37] <thumbs> rts-: but as long as you understand the basic routing, you're far ahead of most folks[19:22:12] <rts-> honestly i used to know a lot more than i do now... the current career path has made me neglect my technical knowledge for quite a while... and i got lazy administering my own server[19:22:30] <rts-> I've forgotten a lot of flags for commands and such... location of things in config files... etc[19:23:50] <thumbs> rts-: well, 2.10 has changed some things too. 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