September 10, 2015 
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September 10, 2015 [00:03:19] *** n-st has joined #postfix[00:03:34] *** phi0x has quit IRC[00:04:12] *** lemonuser has quit IRC[00:04:17] *** mikecmpbll has quit IRC[00:08:21] *** toothe has left #postfix[00:08:21] <lunaphyte> SuperPhly: that log snippit is new, since the changes made that the pastebin reflects?[00:08:22] *** n-st has quit IRC[00:08:22] *** n-st has joined #postfix[00:08:22] <SuperPhly> lunaphyte: yeah, but there's a bunch of stuff in the queue i hadn't killed off i odn't think[00:08:24] <lunaphyte> then the connections are to port 25[00:08:36] <lunaphyte> where is the !showconfig pastebin?[00:08:55] *** githogori has joined #postfix[00:09:37] *** darkavenger is now known as darkavenger_afk[00:09:45] <SuperPhly> !showconfig[00:09:45] <knoba> SuperPhly: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[00:10:27] *** SuperPhly has quit IRC[00:37:08] *** basz has quit IRC[00:38:08] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:48:16] *** moss has quit IRC[00:50:18] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:54:38] <mices> on postfix start i get warning unused parameter $virtual_alias_domains= first.com second.com third.com[01:03:21] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[01:03:28] *** moss has joined #postfix[01:07:15] *** Kesker has joined #postfix[01:07:51] *** Klamity has quit IRC[01:13:00] *** nostrora has joined #postfix[01:13:06] <nostrora> Hello, i have error when i send an email. i get this error : (mail transport unavailable)[01:14:02] <thumbs> !tell nostrora welcome[01:14:02] <knoba> nostrora: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![01:14:21] <nostrora> thumbs: Thumbs up :)[01:14:54] * rob0 twiddles thumbs[01:15:37] * thumbs smashes rob0[01:15:58] <rob0> mices, if it has the $ at the beginning, perhaps that means it should not.[01:16:18] * rob0 squishes[01:16:59] <thumbs> rob0: ever squished a mice with your foot?[01:18:19] <rob0> Fortunately I was wearing a shoe, but yes, I did. Killed the poor thing instantly.[01:18:43] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[01:19:37] <thumbs> rob0: I was barefoot. It was soft.[01:19:52] <rob0> eww[01:20:31] <thumbs> it made a high pitch squeal too.[01:21:59] <rob0> My victim had no time to squeal. And it wasn't really intentional on my part, just putting down my foot in a place where he happened to be. Crunched his little skull.[01:25:19] *** nostrora has quit IRC[01:32:14] *** linkedinyou has joined #postfix[01:33:06] *** zacdev has joined #postfix[01:47:06] *** mroe has joined #postfix[01:49:44] *** edwardm61 has joined #postfix[02:03:56] *** lea has quit IRC[02:15:35] *** joulez has joined #postfix[02:16:51] *** joules has quit IRC[02:17:36] *** lea has joined #postfix[02:22:33] *** joulez has quit IRC[02:39:38] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[02:44:03] <pj> If I find a mouse inside I trap it in a box and release it outside ...[02:44:09] <pj> ... right in front of the cat[02:44:40] <pj> see I'm humane, I practice trap and release[02:58:44] *** linkedinyou has joined #postfix[03:31:46] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[03:32:34] *** davispuh has quit IRC[03:38:45] *** linkedinyou has joined #postfix[03:41:25] *** crispy24 has joined #postfix[03:43:32] <crispy24> Hey guys, I've been trying to set up postfix on my Arch Linux system for the past couple days. My end goal is to have virtual user mailboxes, but I'm having a hard time just getting the simplest postfix setup working.[03:45:53] *** Kellin has left #postfix[03:45:54] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[03:46:30] *** Kellin has left #postfix[03:46:59] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[03:47:26] <crispy24> I have postfix setup so that it can send messages from my domain, but I can't find a way to receive messages. Not even by using UNIX system accounts.[03:47:43] *** Kellin has quit IRC[03:48:28] <crispy24> I've referred to my distro's wiki pages, but when the suggested setup wasn't working, I started referring to postfix.org documentation, and man pages, etc[03:48:53] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[03:49:08] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[03:49:56] <Kellin> crispy24: are you familar with log locations / how to test from the CLI w/o a mail client?[03:51:35] <crispy24> I was going to ask about that. I've looked into debugging: I searched online and on postfix.org, and I can't find a log in /var/log[03:52:06] <Kellin> so it's possibly it's just going to /var/messages[03:52:26] <crispy24> and not sure which command-line tools i can use to test postfix other than `telnet domain.org 25`[03:52:34] <Kellin> heh - that's it[03:53:37] <crispy24> the only other thing i've used for debugging is my mail client. I'm using claws-mail[03:53:49] <Kellin> so stay away from a real client for the first bit[03:54:09] <Kellin> the best way is to start super simple and build up as you need to - it will help you learn each step too[03:54:16] <Kellin> which is what it sounds like you're going for[03:54:21] <crispy24> yeah[03:54:46] <crispy24> I tried following what my distro suggested, but I tried troubleshooting that,[03:55:00] <crispy24> scrapped the idea, started from scratch, and tried building from the group up.[03:55:20] <Kellin> so the basic idea is - you want to be able to send between two users on the system, nothing external at first[03:55:51] <Kellin> you are using arch - assuming it's systemd - does systemctl status postfix show that it's up and running?[03:56:37] <crispy24> yeah[03:57:14] <Kellin> okay - so check out this - postconf -n shows what you set, but postconf -v |grep log ; the -v is verbose (all settings) and grepping for log will tell you how it's logging[03:57:50] <crispy24> thanks, just looking at it now[03:58:55] <Kellin> np - ask whatever questions you have as you go - also if you haven't already the postfix website has good docs, the biggest challenge I had starting up was learning the terminology and proper theory. http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html[03:59:23] <crispy24> Yeah, I found the postfix documentation a huge help until now[03:59:51] <crispy24> I've got a firm grasp on the terminology, i think. I've been working on this a lot lately.[04:00:06] <Kellin> well - like I said - ask if you have Q's :)[04:00:31] <crispy24> alright! thanks again![04:04:10] <Kellin> hmm, just a habit of mine I guess. to remind myself I'm not using -n :)[04:31:05] *** penna__ has joined #postfix[04:35:05] *** penna_ has quit IRC[05:00:37] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[05:01:14] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[05:02:41] *** mroe has quit IRC[05:08:59] *** magyar has quit IRC[05:09:56] <mices> mynetworks can be 192.168.15 ?[05:10:23] <mices> and that would accept relay from the whole subnet?[05:10:35] <mices> my router is 192.168.15.1 and the server is 192.168.15.2[05:11:16] <mices> i'm getting temporary lookup failures[05:12:45] <crispy24> try 192.168.15.0/24[05:13:15] <crispy24> AFAIK an incomplete IP of 192.168.15 wouldn't do anything[05:13:59] <crispy24> i just had temporary lookup failures, too[05:14:02] <mices> when i had 0/9 i got an error[05:14:27] <crispy24> it has to be /24, not /9[05:14:45] <crispy24> the /24 refers to 24 binary digits[05:15:03] <crispy24> using /9 isn't proper TCP/IP notation[05:15:09] <mices> i thought it just meant a range of 10 computers[05:15:34] <crispy24> I see. No, it doesn't do that[05:16:19] <crispy24> using mynetworks = 192.168.15.0/24 would mean a range from 192.168.15.0 to 192.168.15.255[05:16:36] <crispy24> i.e. a range of 255 IP addresses[05:22:17] <mices> how does 24 end up translating into 255[05:24:30] <crispy24> IPv4 and subnetting stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork[05:25:07] <crispy24> each number in an IP address 192.168.15.0 represents an 8-bit number[05:25:23] <crispy24> 192 is an 8-bit number, so is 168, 15, and 0[05:25:49] <crispy24> /24 says that 24 bits are the network[05:26:08] <crispy24> since each number is 8 bits, 24 bits means 3 numbers[05:26:50] <crispy24> 192.168.15 is your network[05:27:15] <crispy24> well... 192.168.15.0[05:30:39] <Kellin> ah subnetting[05:30:40] <Kellin> so much fun[05:33:24] <crispy24> Kellin: yep[05:34:24] <mices> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table[05:36:26] <crispy24> what are you doing to get this error message?[05:36:37] <crispy24> and where does this error message appear?[05:39:00] <mices> in the failed mail that gets returned to gmail[05:39:22] <mices> sending messages to virtuals on my server from gmail[05:41:01] <crispy24> Have you looked at the log? Any information about aliases.db or virtual.db?[05:41:32] <Kellin> that would be the message in the log[05:41:44] <Kellin> so what you want to look at is the virtual alias table you defined in main.cf[05:41:47] <mices> ok i got it working thanks i'll tell you what it was i need to run postmap /etc/postfix/virtual[05:41:55] <mices> needed[05:41:57] <Kellin> yup - that would do it[05:42:02] <crispy24> yeah, that's what I thought :P[05:42:17] <mices> feel a lot better now ha ha[05:42:19] <mices> what a life[05:42:28] <crispy24> lol good job![05:42:43] <Kellin> I've found that 99% of my problems are fixed by getting a drink of water and taking a walk, heh[05:43:11] <mices> i find that too[05:45:13] <mices> and i used this in main.cf virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual[05:45:28] <mices> leaves a nice and neat main.cf[05:45:35] <Kellin> yah[05:45:43] <mices> i love modular sh*t like that[05:45:52] <Kellin> heh[05:46:12] <crispy24> that's why linux appeals to me[05:46:42] <Kellin> I have mine set in /etc/postfix/{maps,sasl,pcre,cidr} - that way my /etc/postfix folder isn't cluttered up[05:46:58] <Kellin> but that's just my personal OCD[05:47:11] <crispy24> Cool! My personal OCD will def enjoy that[05:52:18] *** MrC has quit IRC[06:00:33] *** MrC has joined #postfix[06:03:25] *** julius_ has quit IRC[06:04:37] *** julius_ has joined #postfix[06:09:10] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[06:11:35] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[06:13:24] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[06:31:33] *** crispy24 has quit IRC[06:57:06] *** zacdev has quit IRC[07:02:01] *** moeyebus has quit IRC[07:03:23] *** moeyebus has joined #postfix[07:04:28] *** sharky has quit IRC[07:10:41] *** sharky has joined #postfix[07:23:21] <julius_> wow, i did sleep on a problem and it solved itself....yesterday yahoo was giving me the 531 and today it just works[07:23:48] <julius_> but i didnt reboot the machine or restarted anything after posting my problem here...[07:33:38] *** knoba has quit IRC[07:33:45] *** knoba has joined #postfix[07:34:58] <tmberg> postfix ai =)[07:36:59] <pj> julius_: probably your server fell off their DNSRBL overnight[07:39:59] *** joules has joined #postfix[07:43:07] <julius_> i like tmbergs answer more[07:43:27] <julius_> but...does it stay a change to "fell on" the DNSRBL again?[07:44:57] <julius_> did you mean "DNSBL" without the R, cant find "DNSRBL" with google[07:55:17] *** kalz has quit IRC[08:03:52] *** kalz has joined #postfix[08:08:50] <pj> !dnsrbl[08:08:51] <knoba> pj: Error: "dnsrbl" is not a valid command.[08:08:54] <pj> !dnsbl[08:08:54] <knoba> pj: "dnsbl" : DNS zones that can help your mail server to determine if an IP address is trusted. It's a great way to fight spam. See http://www.spamhaus.org/ZEN/ http://www.au.sorbs.net/ http://www.dnsrbl.net/ http://www.spamcop.net/ http://www.mail-abuse.org/ http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/[08:08:57] <pj> yep[08:09:44] <pj> julius_: and certainly if whatever caused your server to get blacklisted in the first place happens again then it will likely get blacklisted again.[08:10:13] <julius_> hm[08:11:21] <julius_> when i use /etc/postfix/generic with the content julius at yellowstone dot bohlsen.lan myaddress at yahoo dot de <- shouldnt this show up in mail.log somewhere, because i dont see @yahoo.de[08:11:44] <julius_> i did run postmap on it, and its included in main.cf with smtp_generic_....[08:13:31] *** jappi has joined #postfix[08:18:34] *** carl- has joined #postfix[08:27:54] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[08:27:54] *** knoba has quit IRC[08:30:01] *** jappi has quit IRC[08:30:47] *** carl- has quit IRC[08:32:13] *** carl- has joined #postfix[08:50:46] *** FragtioN has quit IRC[08:51:50] *** CyberDems has 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One is ancient, the other even older.[18:30:58] * tuxick calls WWF[18:31:43] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[18:35:39] *** Crispy24 has joined #postfix[18:36:47] <tuxick> well http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html isn't really encouraging[18:37:07] <tuxick> i can understand that[18:37:49] *** MinetestForFun_ has joined #postfix[18:38:38] <tuxick> i'd say http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html is a good starting point[18:38:44] *** mikecmpbll has quit IRC[18:39:01] *** MinetestForFun has quit IRC[18:51:10] *** wannabegeekster has joined #postfix[18:55:05] <hydrajump> hi is opportunistic TLS the way to go versus forcing TLS between SMTP servers?[18:55:46] <lunaphyte> that depends on the context[18:56:37] <lunaphyte> if you are talking about the internet, it's not something you get to make a choice regarding[18:56:48] <lunaphyte> you may offer encryption, but you may not enforce it[18:56:56] <lunaphyte> [e.g. mx service on the internet][18:57:14] *** \sky has joined #postfix[18:58:28] <hydrajump> ok yes the context I'm talking about is my postfix server communicating with internet mx services that I have no control over[18:59:11] <hydrajump> so the best I can do is configure my server to use opportunistic TLS and if the remote server supports TLS the connection between the two will be encrypted. Othwerwise it's plaintext[18:59:58] *** TyrfingMjolnir has quit IRC[19:06:36] <hydrajump> if I only want to run AV using clamav googling shows that there are a number of different options to cofngiure this. Use clamsmtp or clamav-milter[19:07:20] <hydrajump> Any recommendation on which to choose? I read that the latter will check the mail before it hits the queue vs clamsmtp which checks once the mail is in the queue.[19:07:25] <tuxick> i'd go for clamav-milter[19:07:42] <lunaphyte> i'd use neither[19:07:53] <tuxick> amavis?[19:07:55] <lunaphyte> i would [and do] use amavis[19:07:59] <tuxick> :)[19:08:12] <hydrajump> lunaphyte: is that because you do anti spam as well?[19:08:16] *** NightMonkey has quit IRC[19:09:59] <hydrajump> tuxick: have you used it yourself?[19:10:05] <hydrajump> clamav-milter ^[19:10:10] <tuxick> milters? sure[19:10:43] <tuxick> i use spamass-milter and clamav-milter on systems where i don't bother with assp :)[19:10:51] *** NightMonkey has joined #postfix[19:12:02] <hydrajump> what's assp?[19:12:46] <tuxick> the anti-spam smtp proxy that's not to be mentioned here :)[19:13:04] <hydrajump> hehe ok[19:14:39] <tuxick> it runs on front of postfix :)[19:14:42] <hydrajump> tuxick: do you use sanesecurity signs with clamav-milter or just clamav as is?[19:14:42] <tuxick> in[19:14:59] <tuxick> i use the extra stuff as well[19:15:06] <tuxick> but that's pretty messed up on debian[19:15:33] <tuxick> clamav-unofficial-sigs[19:22:00] *** Crispy24 has quit IRC[19:31:24] <lunaphyte> that's one of a number of reasons i dislike assp. the author has quite peculiar notions about the structure of an email system[19:31:36] <lunaphyte> thinking that it should be in front of postfix cracks me up[19:38:41] <tuxick> afair there was a way around that, but that caused headache[19:39:21] <tuxick> biggest problem i had with it was the fact overquota mailboxes caused bouncing[19:39:33] <tuxick> but then i found dovecot quota policy service[19:39:36] <tuxick> so that's fixed[19:39:47] *** mikecmpbll has joined #postfix[19:40:26] <tuxick> it's quite a lot of work to get it going properly, but then it sure does the job[19:40:39] <tuxick> using it on a 3k user domain[19:40:53] *** darkavenger_afk is now known as darkavenger[19:53:46] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[20:01:54] *** TyrfingMjolnir has joined #postfix[20:03:42] *** OnceMe has joined #postfix[20:03:45] <OnceMe> I have in /etc/postfix/virtual addressed which I forward to[20:03:52] <OnceMe> hello, I cant receive external emails which are forwared via postfix (my remote server), firewall and iptables are turned off, what might be the issue?[20:03:55] <OnceMe> I have in /etc/postfix/virtual addressed which I forward to[20:04:02] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[20:06:50] *** huddy has joined #postfix[20:09:41] *** RalfJ has joined #postfix[20:20:12] *** OnceMe has quit IRC[20:30:38] *** JanC has quit IRC[20:31:09] *** dazo is now known as dazo_afk[20:31:26] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[20:32:09] *** linkedinyou has joined #postfix[20:34:30] *** JanC has joined #postfix[21:04:56] *** MinetestForFun_ has quit IRC[21:05:41] *** eschmidbauer has joined #postfix[21:06:04] <mices> is there a way to configure postfix for a particular email address to only accept mail from one or more particular email addresses[21:06:10] <eschmidbauer> hi. I would like to allow relay from specific user/pass ? Can I do this without installing/configuring dovecot or something else?[21:06:15] <eschmidbauer> like if i just add a system user[21:06:20] <eschmidbauer> and set their password[21:07:45] <mices> authenticate before send[21:07:53] <mices> it's very popular[21:08:17] <eschmidbauer> i understand[21:08:19] <eschmidbauer> but how[21:08:31] <mices> any mta can be configured for authenticate before send[21:08:47] <eschmidbauer> i have[21:08:48] <eschmidbauer> smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination[21:09:39] <mices> i dunno i never had any need for it, nobody sends from my server but me[21:17:34] *** JanC has quit IRC[21:21:02] *** JanC has joined #postfix[21:27:12] <MacWinne_> hi, if either your dmarc policy is set to relaxed for spf and dkim alignment and set to reject, will you have a rejected email if either SPF or DKIM fails? My vague understanding is if either passes, then DMARC should pass and recipient email servers should not blackhole the email.[21:29:40] <Maebh> yes, both have to pass[21:37:00] *** izibi has joined #postfix[21:37:20] *** izibi has joined #postfix[21:39:41] <eschmidbauer> email servers strike me as over complicated[21:40:54] <gehidore> they are.[21:45:52] <eschmidbauer> do you need dovecot or cyrus to authenticate users?[21:46:02] <eschmidbauer> can't postfix auth using a hashmap?[21:46:06] <eschmidbauer> or aliases[21:46:32] *** jwing has quit IRC[21:47:08] *** jwing has joined #postfix[21:47:08] *** jwing has joined #postfix[21:50:34] <eschmidbauer> after i get postfix as smtp server that authenticates, I am going to write a clear concise tutorial on it[21:50:46] <izibi> hi. I have configured postfix to deliver mails via LMTP (virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp) which works fine as long as I have a catchall alias in my virtual aliases map because then postfix expands it before delivering via LMTP. how do I make LMTP delivery to virtual users and catchalls work at the same time?[21:52:51] <guampa> eschmidbauer: it's already documented in http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html[21:53:23] <Kellin> eschmidbauer: the idea is that dovecot provides SASL...nm guampa got to it before me :)[21:53:53] <eschmidbauer> dovecot is a freakin nightmare[21:54:11] <Kellin> you don't actually install dovecot to use it for auth[21:54:16] <Kellin> dovecot is for imap access[21:54:22] <thumbs> eschmidbauer: cyrus is worse.[21:54:32] <eschmidbauer> i don't want imap[21:54:35] <Kellin> then don't[21:54:37] <eschmidbauer> just want to auth smtp[21:54:40] <guampa> not to my view. You can use it just for auth[21:54:50] <eschmidbauer> ok[21:54:51] <guampa> or just for delivery[21:55:05] <eschmidbauer> a lot of trouble for something simple[21:55:12] <guampa> yeah, simple[21:55:16] <guampa> "I wan't a mailserver!"[21:55:24] <thumbs> for SASL, I recommend dovecot for use.[21:55:45] <eschmidbauer> doesn't postfix support local users for auth? or you need dovecot for that?[21:56:09] <guampa> you need dovecot for SASL, the only other authentication is TLS client cert[21:56:38] <eschmidbauer> ok-- then i will figure out dovecot[21:56:57] <eschmidbauer> and i will still write a tutorial on it! because i couldnt find one that worked[21:57:26] * guampa realizes now how all those postfix tutorials out there got born[21:58:01] <eschmidbauer> ha[21:59:44] *** Section1 has quit IRC[22:00:06] * eschmidbauer joins #dovecot[22:00:38] *** LaBliMo has joined #postfix[22:00:40] <Kellin> so eschmidbauer this might help with the confusion[22:00:49] *** linkedinyou|2 has joined #postfix[22:00:58] <Kellin> on that page guampa linked, search for smtp_sasl_password_maps[22:01:02] *** LaBliMo has joined #postfix[22:01:10] <rob0> It's not simple, and it can't be simple. If you don't understand that, it's not a good idea for you to write a tutorial.[22:01:10] <eschmidbauer> yes[22:01:12] *** linkedinyou|2 has quit IRC[22:01:26] <Kellin> and you will see you cans et it up to look there, or you can look at local users, or you can set it up to talk to dovecot which will use other things like LDAP, DB, whatever[22:01:27] <eschmidbauer> what i need is simple[22:01:31] <eschmidbauer> setting it up may not be[22:01:36] <rob0> Kellin, that seems to be wrong.[22:01:42] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd[22:01:42] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)[22:01:56] <Kellin> sorry wrong place[22:02:00] <rob0> It sounds like server SASL is the goal.[22:02:21] <eschmidbauer> smtp_sasl_password_maps is probably what confused me.. i kept trying to do postmap blahblah and put it in smtp_sasl_password_maps[22:02:57] <rob0> For that, you must have Cyrus SASL or Dovecot SASL. And it's indeed possible to run a Dovecot limited only to providing SASL AUTH.[22:03:04] <guampa> eschmidbauer: settings that begin with smtp_ are for the *client* part of postfix[22:03:23] <eschmidbauer> ahh, thank you for clarify[22:03:46] *** zacdev has quit IRC[22:04:42] <guampa> really recommend you to read the docs on both postfix and dovecot sites, if you go through them the chances are you'll understand it, OTOH skimming will drive you insane[22:05:18] *** linkedinyou|2 has joined #postfix[22:06:13] *** linkedinyou|2 has quit IRC[22:07:03] <eschmidbauer> yeah you are right[22:07:46] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[22:08:02] <Kellin> heh - looking at the mail server I have up - I don't even have sasl turned on because I don't allow submission[22:12:47] *** tuxick has quit IRC[22:13:09] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[22:13:23] <izibi> in my understanding, postfix should not expand the catchall alias "@domain somewhere@else" if I add "user@domain ok" to virtual_mailbox_maps but instead deliver that mail to user@domain via lmtp, but it doesn't and forwards it to somewhere@else. is that supposed to happen?[22:19:21] <izibi> ok, if i add "user@doamain user@domain" to my virtual aliases, it works. but is there any way to make this work without having to keep my virtual aliases in sync with my virtual users?[22:28:08] *** skweek has joined #postfix[22:28:14] <lunaphyte> for starters, catchalls are a huge nono. don't use them[22:30:53] <izibi> lunaphyte: well, the domain I want to migrate, already uses them, so I have to. also I'm not completely new to postfix, I just didn't do anything with virtual users and lmtp before[22:42:39] <rob0> Virtual aliases do indeed override virtual mailbox maps.[22:43:19] <rob0> Probably what you wanted was a virtual alias maps entry, "user@domain user@domain".[22:43:46] <rob0> see "man 5 virtual" (or virtual.5.html)[22:45:11] <izibi> rob0: yeah, already figured that out. but are you aware of any better solution than manually syncing (I count writing a script that does it for me as manually) my virtual aliases with my dovecot virtual users?[22:45:21] *** skweek has quit IRC[22:49:39] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[22:52:30] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[23:01:13] *** pti-jean_ has quit IRC[23:01:14] *** skweek has joined #postfix[23:01:35] <eschmidbauer> yay got it[23:03:01] <eschmidbauer> it was actually really easy using dovecot[23:03:06] *** FinboySlick has quit IRC[23:03:07] <eschmidbauer> il'l have to write it up in a tutorial[23:09:09] *** eschmidbauer has quit IRC[23:09:37] *** eschmidbauer has joined #postfix[23:09:54] <hydrajump> just want to check my understanding. I've done a fresh install of postfix and without changing master.cf or main.cf if I run `postconf` does that show all the current postfix settings or all possible settings?[23:11:46] <hydrajump> if it's the former than there is no need to set settings that are already default. For instance, postconf shows `inet_interfaces = all`. If that's what I want then I shouldn't uncomment that same setting in main.cf, right?[23:12:01] <hydrajump> or is it advisable to be explicit and set it anyway?[23:18:29] *** inqmvt has quit IRC[23:20:12] <Kellin> postconf shows everything from defaults to what you sent manually hydrajump[23:20:18] <Kellin> postconf -n shows what you explictly set[23:20:35] <hydrajump> thanks Kellin[23:21:12] <hydrajump> what's the recommendation on setting something explicitly which is already default...if that makes any sense[23:26:11] *** penk has quit IRC[23:27:15] *** junixbr has quit IRC[23:28:22] <lunaphyte> also see !duplicates[23:31:21] <hydrajump> !duplicates[23:31:21] <knoba> hydrajump: "duplicates" : the following can be used to list redundant settings defined in main.cf: (postconf -d; postconf -n) | sort | uniq -d - also see !compare[23:31:45] <hydrajump> !compare[23:31:45] <knoba> hydrajump: "compare" : The following script can be used to compare modified settings with their defaults. useful for pruning redundant declarations as well as tracking down problems: http://pajamian.dhs.org/postfix/postdiff.pl or see the one-liner version at http://pajamian.dhs.org/postfix/one-liner.txt - also see !duplicates.[23:32:27] <lunaphyte> oh, no, a loop![23:34:56] <hydrajump> thanks lunaphyte. looks like some settings are duplicated in the default main.cf[23:34:59] <hydrajump> perhaps by design?[23:35:12] <hydrajump> such as `command_directory`[23:36:08] <lunaphyte> no, not last i looked[23:36:14] <lunaphyte> perhaps you got your config from someone else?[23:37:51] <hydrajump> no from the distro package[23:38:24] <lunaphyte> you'd have to ask them then why they would deviate from the defaults[23:38:27] <hydrajump> has the package maintainer perhaps changed the default config files?[23:38:29] <hydrajump> ok[23:39:06] <hydrajump> would the correct default example files be part of the postfix source if I downloaded it?[23:39:12] <lunaphyte> if they've modified thec onfig though, that's not a default config any longer. it's customized[23:40:00] <lunaphyte> yes[23:40:28] <hydrajump> ok downloading now[23:41:18] <hydrajump> well looks like the default main.cf has the duplicate as well[23:43:10] <lunaphyte> hmm, ok[23:51:01] *** pramsky has joined #postfix[23:53:46] <pj> nearly every distro has *some* modification to the config.[23:54:05] <pj> hydrajump: what distro are you running?[23:57:29] <pramsky> is it possible to have postfix listen on an additional port and have it process a separate virtual_alias_map ?[23:58:22] <pj> pramsky: yes[23:59:05] <pj> although it is not possible to tell other MTAs to use that port when sending mail to you.[23:59:26] <pramsky> it won't be public , just for a specific app[23:59:55] <pramsky> any mail sent to it will always go to a single email, regardless of the original_to