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[11:28:25] <Haris> hello all
[11:28:46] <Haris> what does this log line mean --> Sep  7 09:25:03 hostname postfix/submission/smtpd[1328]: warning: TLS library problem: 1328:error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_srvr.c:647:
[11:30:31] <Haris> this line is preceeded by --> Sep  7 09:29:54 studiomochi postfix/submission/smtpd[1628]: SSL_accept error from unknown[xx.xx.x.x]: -1
[11:30:42] <tuxick> haha, it's known as "openssl mess" :)
[11:31:10] <Haris> meaning what ? is postfix ssl configuration bad or is my telnet session to submission port not able to use ssl ?
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[11:31:33] <tuxick> got a crystall ball?
[11:31:49] <tuxick> oh so it's you trying to set up connection?
[11:31:54] <tuxick> you can't telnet to ssl port
[11:33:03] <Haris> when I run it with 'openssl s_client -debug -starttls smtp -crlf -connect ip-to-test:587', I get 235 2.7.0 Authentication successful
[11:33:14] <tuxick> well then
[11:33:20] <tuxick> what's the problem?
[11:33:29] <tuxick> that you see an error when you do it wrong?
[11:34:12] <Haris> when I use the mua, smtp auth doesn't work ? or my mua settings are not correct ?
[11:34:48] <Haris> if auth is successful, it should not deny my host from sending mail .. right ?
[11:35:07] <tuxick> i heard even lookout can do it right
[11:35:11] <Haris> when I have --> smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
[11:35:16] <Haris> in master.cf against submission
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[11:39:25] <Haris> I got this msg just now for smtp auth via outlook --> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[my.ipv4.address.here]: 554 5.7.1 <unknown[my.ipv4.address.here]>: Client host rejected: Access denied; from=<email-address at domain dot com> to=<email-address at domain dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mystuff>
[11:44:43] <pj> !tell Haris getting_help
[11:44:43] <knoba> Haris: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[11:44:46] <Haris> when I manually run smtp auth session, for mail send via 'openssl s_client -debug -starttls smtp -crlf -connect smtp-host-ip:587', I'm able to send mail. when I do it through outlook, I get that msg
[11:45:10] * tuxick giggles
[11:45:14] <Haris> hold please. I'm pasting stuff
[11:45:26] <pj> Haris: then you're not following directions
[11:50:13] <Haris> hold please. it worked once. I'm checking again
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[12:02:33] <tuxick> haha
[12:02:42] <tuxick> sounds like 100% lookout indeed
[12:04:32] <pj> !tell Haris outlook
[12:04:33] <knoba> Haris: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us
[12:04:58] <Haris> tried with mac client also. mac is giving problem. with outlook, its working
[12:05:28] <pj> well, can't help you unless you follow !getting_help above
[12:05:36] <Haris> I understand
[12:06:44] <Haris> the problem is between auth methods, LOGIN, PLAIN, etc etc and Outlook tries MD5 auth as first test/measure. Also, I have greylisting turned on, which blocks the first attempt to send mail. that's for discouraging mass scale spammers
[12:07:42] <Haris> hold please. I'll paste in a bit
[12:07:48] <Haris> still testing
[12:08:22] <pj> Haris: before you paste please re-read and follow the factoid.
[12:09:03] <Haris> I'v actually been through this once before
[12:09:06] <Haris> !showconfig
[12:09:06] <knoba> Haris: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[12:09:18] <Haris> !showconfig_old
[12:09:19] <knoba> Haris: "showconfig_old" : for versions of postfix < 2.9, pastebin postconf -n and the contents of master.cf with comments removed
[12:09:38] <tuxick> greylisting causes more problems than it solves
[12:09:52] <tuxick> you could consider greylisting 'suspicious' senders only
[12:10:06] <Haris> well, there's no other measure to block or 'discourage' (is the word) spammers from clobbering the server
[12:10:08] <tuxick> many poorly configured sexchanges mess up
[12:10:32] <tuxick> and users believe email is IM
[12:10:42] <pj> !tell Haris postscreen
[12:10:42] <knoba> Haris: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html
[12:10:43] <tuxick> so they phone when mail doesn't arrive within 10 seconds
[12:10:53] <pj> Haris: use this instead of greylisting ^^^^^
[12:10:54] <Haris> lol
[12:10:59] <Haris> hmm
[12:11:07] <Haris> will look into postscreen
[12:11:10] <Haris> I have 2.10.x
[12:11:12] <Haris> !relevant_logs
[12:11:12] <knoba> Haris: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
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[13:14:06] <jww> Hello.
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[14:28:27] <tuxick> got a rather large mailq going out a lot slower than it should
[14:28:41] <tuxick> because initially hotmail and gmail hit that brakes
[14:28:49] <tuxick> s/that/the/
[14:29:14] <tuxick> but now wondering which entry in config controls rate?
[14:29:57] <tuxick> thought it'd be default_destination_rate_delay
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[15:04:56] <tuxick> new 'virus' in circulation: "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" pretending to be from google, Google_drive_xxxx.zip attachment containing a .js
[15:05:08] <tuxick> saw similar one last week
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[15:38:47] <DominikB> backscatter scam or realy virus mail thats the question
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[15:58:50] <moonpunter> Setting up Postfix on a digitalocean droplet. Does the FQDN I want to use need to be propagated before configuring postfix?
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[17:05:04] <rob0> Define "propagated," how does that work?  I think "no," but to be sure I'd want to know what you meant.
[17:07:06] <thumbs> some folks still believe that DNS "propagates"? Yikes.
[17:10:37] <tuxick> how else to call it?
[17:11:05] <thumbs> DNS expires.
[17:11:18] <tuxick> ah ye ok
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[17:13:58] <tuxick> anyway, still trying to get backlog out
[17:14:16] <tuxick> > 10k mails in queue for hotmail and gmail
[17:14:33] <tuxick> these mailings go out every week but this time it's taking days
[17:15:05] <tuxick> it's doing like 2 mails per minute, that's a bit slower than even hotmail accepts
[17:15:27] <tuxick> mind, active queue!
[17:16:35] <rob0> Propagation is a valid word in DNS land, but it usually is not significant.
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[17:17:21] <rob0> Such as, propagation from the zone master or SOA to other authoritative servers.
[17:18:33] <rob0> Using standard features of DNS and reasonable connectivity of servers to the Internet, authoritative propagation happens in a second or two.
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[17:27:11] <tuxick> probably
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[17:46:19] <jimpop> this may be a debian specific question (i'm not yet sure)...
[17:47:00] <jimpop> I'm trying to determine if it's sensible to cron-create a dhparam.pem file in the postfix chroot dir
[17:47:14] <jimpop> as opposed to /etc/postfix/
[17:48:18] <jimpop> is there any concerns with auto-generating a dhparam.pem file in /var/spool/postfix/dhparam.pem and then having main.cf reference that?
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[19:37:49] <b144> hey can someone answer a quick question about mail forwarding and the mail_config option?
[19:38:01] <b144> sorry the mailbox_command option
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[19:38:53] <rob0> see:
[19:38:57] <rob0> !mailbox_command
[19:38:57] <knoba> rob0: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[19:39:05] <violinuxer> ahhh well it's redirecting to dovecot
[19:39:16] <rob0> and postconf.5.html#mailbox_command
[19:39:19] <violinuxer> but if people add a .forward file, nothing ends up in the local mailbox
[19:39:58] <violinuxer> does the mail flow end after the .forwards if the email is sucessfully sent?
[19:41:22] <rob0> I'm not sure that is a quick question at all.
[19:42:15] <rob0> Maybe start with what you're trying to accomplish (and why), and what you have encountered?  Sounds like a pastebin would help.
[19:42:20] <rob0> !getting_help
[19:42:21] <knoba> rob0: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[19:45:07] <violinuxer> sorry, was trying to understand it in a general sense
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[19:45:41] <rob0> then read "man local" (local.8.html) and understand all that it does.
[19:45:44] <violinuxer> I'd like to have postfix respect per-user .forward files while at the same time making sure that dovecot's deliver utility stil recieves it
[19:45:53] <rob0> And of course be sure that you really ARE using local
[19:46:18] <violinuxer> yes, the .forward works, but it doesn't continue on to the deliver command
[19:46:38] <rob0> you can put multiple lines in .forward files
[19:46:55] <violinuxer> but by default .forwards overrides any mail_command settings?
[19:47:02] <violinuxer> *.forward
[19:48:16] <rob0> Delivery precedence is detailed in the aforementioned manual.  I don't know, offhand.
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[19:48:54] <ExoUNX> greetings
[19:49:02] <violinuxer> hello :D
[19:49:04] <rob0> Also, if I was setting up a new system now, I'd choose LMTP over deliver.
[19:49:07] <ExoUNX> just a quick question, might be something I'm missing
[19:49:46] <ExoUNX> I've added all my users in /etc/postfix/vmailbox
[19:49:58] <ExoUNX> all of them but on works
[19:50:03] <ExoUNX> I added it later
[19:50:08] <ExoUNX> and it's also added in dovecot
[19:50:20] <ExoUNX> restart the postfix service as well
[19:50:33] <ExoUNX> and I'm getting this Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
[19:50:50] <rob0> If that's a hash: map,
[19:50:52] <ExoUNX> I'm sure I'm just doing something wrong
[19:50:52] <rob0> !postmap
[19:50:53] <knoba> rob0: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')
[19:50:59] <rob0> and do not restart.
[19:51:43] <ExoUNX> so postmap /etc/postfix/vmailbox
[19:51:44] <ExoUNX> ?
[19:52:47] <ExoUNX> yup that did the trick lol
[19:52:56] <ExoUNX> thanks
[19:53:08] <ExoUNX> understanding how this works 1 step at a time lol
[19:54:35] <ExoUNX> have a good day everyone
[19:54:38] <ExoUNX> thanks again
[19:54:41] <rob0> yw
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[19:54:52] <violinuxer> @rob0 well, yup, it appears that .forwards is higher in the precedence
[19:55:00] <violinuxer> .forward*
[19:55:13] <violinuxer> the problem is, i'd like them both to run automatically XD
[19:57:06] <rob0> I don't know if that is possible without some kind of crazy aliasing, and then that would dual-deliver stuff for non-.forward users.  So indeed no, it was not a quick question.
[19:58:25] <rob0> you could add a basic /etc/skel/.forward file so every user will have it to begin with.
[20:00:01] <violinuxer> hmm yeah
[20:00:20] <violinuxer> it's a relatively rare use case, so i guess education is the solution :)
[20:01:01] <violinuxer> they should just add /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver if they want their mail in imap
[20:01:08] <violinuxer> with a pipe of course
[20:01:13] <violinuxer> well thanks so much for the help!
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