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[00:12:03] <roukoswarf> hello, i keep getting bounces stating "User unknown in virtual alias table", even though when flat out returning the requested address in the database lookup, anyone have any idea what i could be missing? using postgres, along with virtual mail users.
[00:12:22] <roukoswarf> and yes, i can provide logs/configs
[00:12:35] <roukoswarf> totally at a loss on what i could be missing
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[00:16:32] <lunaphyte> yes, prepare a single pastebin, as per !getting_help
[00:16:40] <roukoswarf> !getting_help
[00:16:41] <knoba> roukoswarf: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[00:16:52] <roukoswarf> what should i do about the DB files?
[00:17:01] <roukoswarf> for the queries
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[00:17:15] <rob0> !postmapq
[00:17:15] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.
[00:17:27] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean
[00:17:34] <roukoswarf> ah
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[00:17:43] <roukoswarf> rob0 answered what i need
[00:18:10] <roukoswarf> rob0: i dont have postmapq
[00:18:11] <rob0> show postmap -q add@ress pgsql:queryfile
[00:18:12] <roukoswarf> just postmap
[00:18:17] <roukoswarf> ah
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[00:20:50] <roukoswarf> !showconfig
[00:20:51] <knoba> roukoswarf: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
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[00:22:24] <roukoswarf> http://hastebin.com/ahagivevax.hs
[00:22:45] <lunaphyte> first, fix warnings
[00:22:48] <lunaphyte> do not ignore them
[00:23:11] <roukoswarf> yer, i made those while trying a few things
[00:23:19] <roukoswarf> when they were not present, didnt work either.
[00:23:32] <roukoswarf> but ill revert that change
[00:25:29] <rob0> I didn't see the postmap -q lookup
[00:25:46] <rob0> but I think I know what's wrong anyway
[00:25:58] <roukoswarf> i figure its something stupid
[00:26:13] <roukoswarf> on a different server who is receiving as its own domain only, it works
[00:26:19] <roukoswarf> so, its something stupid somewhere
[00:26:28] <roukoswarf> rob0: whats the idea?
[00:26:31] <rob0> That means the recipient domain is in virtual_alias_domains but the localpart@domain is NOT in virtual_alias_maps.  Or, maybe it is, but the final resolved domain is in virtual_alias_domains.
[00:27:02] <rob0> "That" = "User unknown in virtual alias table"
[00:27:33] <roukoswarf> i think i follow, but how exactly does that work?
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[00:28:36] <roukoswarf> i can provide the queries and or database schema
[00:29:31] <roukoswarf> and which map do you want the postmap of?
[00:30:58] <rob0> 22:18 < rob0> show postmap -q add@ress pgsql:queryfile which seems to be bounces at emmie dot rouk.org (but this is not complete logging, sigh, Debian.)
[00:31:27] <roukoswarf> which queryfile do you want?
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[00:34:21] <rob0> virtual_alias_maps
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[00:36:07] <roukoswarf> rob0: it returns the address
[00:36:09] <roukoswarf> bounces at emmie dot rouk.org
[00:36:52] <rob0> and emmie.rouk.org is in virtual_alias_domains, as I suspected
[00:37:01] <roukoswarf> yes
[00:37:08] <rob0> can't do that
[00:37:33] <roukoswarf> hm
[00:37:36] <roukoswarf> why?
[00:37:53] <roukoswarf> or is _domains only for local domain aliases?
[00:38:14] <rob0> read about the virtual alias class in:
[00:38:19] <rob0> !address_classes
[00:38:20] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
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[00:49:35] <roukoswarf> rob0: alright, so removing that config, plus fixing the warnings on local recip maps, do i even need a local recip map at all?
[00:49:50] <roukoswarf> currently its local_recipient_maps = $virtual_mailbox_maps
[00:49:58] <roukoswarf> can i just cut that out?
[00:51:46] <roukoswarf> rob0: after removing that line, i get the same bounce
[00:52:12] <roukoswarf> that line being _domains
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[01:33:28] <roukoswarf> still cant figure it out... ugh
[01:36:46] <roukoswarf> warning: do not list domain emmie.rouk.org in BOTH virtual_alias_domains and virtual_mailbox_domains || even though i have no virtual_alias_domains
[01:38:13] <roukoswarf> so, what is going on? postconf confirms no occurrence of alias_domains
[01:38:50] <roukoswarf> oi, theres a silly default
[01:40:23] <roukoswarf> aaand, solved
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[02:08:49] <lunaphyte> silly default?  the default is empty
[02:09:06] <roukoswarf> the default is not empty.
[02:09:22] <roukoswarf> postconf -n showed nothing
[02:09:31] <roukoswarf> postconf had a default with a value
[02:09:56] <lunaphyte> then speak to whomever you got the software from
[02:10:11] <lunaphyte> that is modified, and not the default
[02:10:28] <roukoswarf> stock build from arch, unmodified, checked the build script
[02:11:23] <roukoswarf> its set to a var by default
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[02:11:32] <lunaphyte> right.  which is empty
[02:11:37] <lunaphyte> by default
[02:11:50] <roukoswarf> well, i needed that var, but not the other one
[02:12:03] <jaggzes> postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by root: /var/spool/postfix/etc/sasldb2
[02:12:03] <jaggzes> postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/sasldb2 and /etc/sasldb2 differ
[02:12:05] <roukoswarf> stuff worked once i set the _domains to empty
[02:12:44] <jaggzes> un question, por favor :)  Apparently some management software changed the first file there to a different group.  Should it be postfix.postfix?
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[02:13:24] <jaggzes> it's also a 0 byte file, but /etc/sasldb2 is owned by root.sasl and has some data in it.. should I copy that over the /var/spool one?
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[02:19:16] <rob0> lunaphyte, the default virtual_alias_domains is virtual_alias_maps
[02:19:55] <rob0> so if you have a domain entry in that lookup, it's in virtual_alias_domains
[02:21:01] <rob0> Just like relay_domains, virtual_alias_domains should be explicitly unset if you're not planning to use it.
[02:23:42] <roukoswarf> smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit || yet relay rejected? wat?
[02:25:24] <rob0> smtpd_sender_restrictions does not control relaying.  smtpd_recipient_restrictions does in older versions, but then it cannot be "permit".
[02:25:43] <roukoswarf> oi, now i gotta use relay_restrictions?/
[02:26:40] <roukoswarf> my normal rules are: permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, permit || and worked in the past.
[02:27:01] <rob0> do we know what version you have?
[02:27:09] <roukoswarf> 3.0.2
[02:27:17] <rob0> (This part of "we" did not.  Okay.)
[02:28:02] <rob0> !relay_denied
[02:28:02] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[02:28:34] <roukoswarf> but my rules state it should work
[02:29:57] <roukoswarf> it is for sure in virtual_mailbox_domains
[02:30:41] <roukoswarf> https://ptpb.pw/dZol
[02:35:55] <roukoswarf> any ideas?
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[03:05:50] <roukoswarf> got it, stupid auth problem
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[03:24:18] <roukoswarf> now i cant recieve mail, relay denied
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[03:31:18] <roukoswarf> and now i can, stupid leftover config, i feel stupid every time i do a new postfix setup
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[05:27:15] <lunaphyte> my point was that by default, that series of settings is empty
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[08:05:57] <pylearner1> to=<apache@.com>  <--- keep getting that as an email and keep getting 550 rejected errror
[08:06:05] <pylearner1> how can i change to apache at fqdn dot com
[08:07:23] <pylearner1> well my from address is empty actually
[08:11:20] <pylearner1> from=<apache@.com>
[08:11:28] <pylearner1> ya apache is sending wthout domain how do i fix this
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[08:32:40] <thumbs> pylearner1: apache httpd doesn't send emails
[08:38:38] <thumbs> pylearner1: fix your mua instead so it makes a proper envelope
[08:39:17] <pylearner1> thumbs thanks for the insight i dumped sendmail and ever so glad using postfix
[08:39:30] <pylearner1> not really sure how to fix the mua though
[08:44:32] <pylearner1> so maybe php code that is sending needs to be edited?
[08:48:23] <thumbs> pylearner1: yes, fix your php.
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[08:54:26] <pj> !tell pylearner1 getting_help
[08:54:26] <knoba> pylearner1: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[08:55:14] <thumbs> it's also entirely possible that you did something stupid with postfix.
[08:55:30] <thumbs> but from: and to: should be set properly by your MUA
[08:58:48] <pj> yes, but without the proper data (see factoid above) we can't really say for sure what is happening.  All you've given us is a vague explanation without any concrete data to back it up.
[08:59:59] <pj> also from: and to: are very different from the envelope sender and recipient.
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[09:44:44] <thumbs> pj: but he'll never provide what you asked of him
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[09:57:48] <tete_> i know this is not related to postfix but maybe someone can help me...
[09:57:50] <tete_> when i try to send "XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X" it gets directly blocked, i never see that mail (except in the logs), should it be moved to a spam folder or is this the usual behaviour of SA?
[09:58:11] <tete_> i also asked in #spamassassin but did not recieve an answer yet
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[11:00:47] <pj> tete_: SA can't put mail directly into the Spam folder, you need to couple it with a delivery agent and filtering rules such as dovecot and sieve.
[11:01:13] <pj> tete_: it all depends on your configuration of postfix, your MDA and SA, it's all tied together.
[11:07:36] <tete_> pj, so sending en email with that text (marking it as 100% spam) is not coded into SA/postfix to drop it, instead to use the regular config settings?
[11:08:04] <tete_> because now it is just dropped and i am wondering if i did a mis-configuration, dont want to get that message dropped
[11:09:10] <pj> tete_: that text is the GTUBE string, and SA detects it as SPAM, postfix doesn't look for it at all...
[11:09:34] <tete_> hm ok so postfix detects the spam header and drops it, so its a misconfiguration
[11:09:39] <tete_> thanks for that info
[11:09:40] <pj> it is likely SA that is dropping it, and it would be a SA config issue to chage that.
[11:09:46] <pj> no, postfix does not
[11:09:52] <tete_> hm ok
[11:09:57] <tete_> i will check the sa config again
[11:10:07] <pj> I can't really comment further without seeing your config and relevant logs
[11:10:14] <pj> !tell tete_ getting_help
[11:10:14] <knoba> tete_: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[11:10:45] <tete_> ok, i will check again the logs and configs, if i dont get it working, i prepare all the infos, thanks
[11:12:14] <pj> there's a lot of different ways that the whole system can be configured, but as I said, in order to deliver it into a Spam folder (which is a good idea), requires an additional component of a delivery agent that looks for the SPAM headers and can delivery it accordingly.
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[11:18:26] <tete_> i have sieve running... i will check again whats going on in detail
[11:18:58] <tete_> i setup that server a long time ago, now i can not remember what i did exactly... i should document that :P
[11:19:22] <pj> tete_: that's good, but there's more to it than just having sieve installed and running
[11:44:00] <tete_> pj, do you know where to configure what permissions the files should have when SA creates them for bayes?
[11:45:04] <tete_> SA creates in my case a /var/lib/spamassassin/users/myhost.de/$username directory which stores some stuff like bayes, but the directory has wrong permissions (no executable for the owner)
[11:45:14] <tete_> so it can not create the bayes lockfile for autolearn
[11:45:50] <tete_> and i dont want to update that manually when a new user registers
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[12:32:40] <pj> tete_: that has nothing to do with postfix
[12:33:22] <pj> you should ask in #spamassassin
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[14:31:15] <Krapulat> Hi, I have to change the IP of a mail server. Does this can affect on email delivery? Now the email delivery is excelent, will this vary after changing IP?
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[15:33:08] <pylearner1> sky postfix/error[30908]: 595136842BF4: to=<root@.com>, relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0.01/0/0, dsn=5.1.3, status=bounced (bad address syntax)
[15:33:29] <pylearner1> I keep getting bad address syntax but dont know where to fix roo@.com to have a real email
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[16:02:42] <rob0> Postfix did not generate that email.  You have to fix whatever DID send it.  You might check on:
[16:02:46] <rob0> !myorigin
[16:02:46] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[16:02:56] <pylearner1> rob0 thanks its working
[16:03:07] <rob0> k
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[16:20:02] <pylearner1> http://pastebin.centos.org/34126/
[16:20:22] <pylearner1> rob0, I am trying to just learn and make sense of all this I do have an error but I am still sending mail
[16:21:58] <pylearner1> i do get a connection refused when i telnet to there too
[16:22:20] <pylearner1> iptables is empty tho
[16:24:29] <pylearner1> port shows closed
[16:28:07] <pylearner1> I am trying to determine why im getting connection refused but still able to send email
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[16:47:35] <rob0> "to there"?  Where?  The logs showed two successful sendmail(1) mails sent, not relevant to what you describe.
[16:47:48] <rob0> !tell pylearner1 getting_help
[16:47:48] <knoba> pylearner1: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[16:47:59] <rob0> !tell pylearner1 relevant_logs
[16:47:59] <knoba> pylearner1: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
[16:48:06] <rob0> !tell pylearner1 showconfig
[16:48:06] <knoba> pylearner1: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[16:48:16] <rob0> !tell pylearner1 nologs
[16:48:17] <knoba> pylearner1: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[16:49:47] <rob0> telnet: connect to address 198.46.193.40: Connection refused
[16:50:05] <rob0> is that the host?
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[17:46:18] <pylearner1> rob0, yes
[17:46:23] <pylearner1> it is
[17:46:31] <pylearner1> however im trying to just understand all this
[17:46:45] <pylearner1> like if im showing that error connection refused my email still sends
[17:46:51] <pylearner1> from my server
[17:47:08] <pylearner1> trying to figure out the why it is still sending successfuly
[17:47:10] <pylearner1> http://pastebin.centos.org/34136/
[17:47:15] <pylearner1> those are my logs
[17:47:29] <pylearner1> my goal is to host my own email
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[17:47:48] <pylearner1> for my domains like i have the vhost setup on the webserver i can host content
[17:47:56] <pylearner1> i can setup ftp server and lock it down
[17:48:26] <pylearner1> the last puzzle piece is understanding mail serving in linux
[17:48:38] <pylearner1> i want to be able to create as many email boxes as i want for my domains
[17:48:44] <pylearner1> on my server
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[17:50:09] <pylearner1> but want to understand all this too
[17:53:01] <rob0> What do you think I can tell you?
[17:54:38] <rob0> Apparently DNS is right, I showed you that.
[17:54:59] <rob0> Connections do NOT get to your server, I showed you that also.
[17:56:49] <rob0> !tell pylearner1 basic
[17:56:49] <knoba> pylearner1: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:01:41] <pylearner1> rob0, thanks knew why it was denied
[18:01:50] <pylearner1> just dont know why it still sent
[18:02:11] <pylearner1> is it trying sky.skyinvestigations.com first then going to localhost im assuming here
[18:05:57] <rob0> The !basic link explains how to set domains for which you will receive mail.
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[21:52:58] <thumbs> boo
[21:53:02] <thumbs> jeev_--
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[21:59:30] <jelly> can't thumbs++ because having three would be weird
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[22:19:13] <thumbs> jelly: quite
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