September 2, 2015 
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I knew there must be some kind of check in place, but like I said, I'm out of my element here haha.[01:59:00] <pj> tmillc: it is a common spam tactic to spoof the evelope sender[01:59:05] <pj> *envelope[02:00:28] <tmillc> I have to admit, before embarking on this, I had no idea email was so complicated..[02:05:04] <tmillc> another question, when I was setting up postfix initially, I set the System mail name to be somethingwhatever.local, and since then I have changed /etc/mailname, myhostname, and mydestination to be properhostname.com[02:05:59] <tmillc> but echo "stuff" | mail -s "subject mygmailacct at gmail dot com gets me an email originating from somethingwhatever.local[02:06:43] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[02:07:30] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[02:07:54] <tmillc> oops, "subject" with the closing quote. Also I did restart postfix[02:09:51] *** dstarh has joined #postfix[02:10:48] *** joules has quit IRC[02:22:25] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[02:23:01] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[02:28:57] *** jadaaa has quit IRC[02:34:23] *** Kuunsi has joined #postfix[02:37:21] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[02:37:21] *** rsc_ has joined #postfix[02:37:21] *** rsc_ has joined #postfix[02:37:26] *** micalm has quit IRC[02:37:27] *** rsc has quit IRC[02:37:27] *** Kunsi has quit IRC[02:37:30] *** michael_mbp has joined #postfix[02:37:39] *** Kuunsi is now known as Kunsi[02:43:03] *** dstarh has quit IRC[02:45:25] <pj> !tell tmberg basics[02:45:25] <knoba> pj: Error: No factoid matches that key.[02:45:34] <pj> !tell tmillc basic[02:45:34] <knoba> tmillc: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[02:49:24] *** skweek has joined #postfix[02:52:21] *** michael_mbp has quit IRC[02:56:30] *** 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is not allowed by the sender policy framework. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Rewriting_Scheme for more info.[12:12:23] <tuxick> so what new problems will srs introduce?[12:23:02] *** skweek has joined #postfix[12:26:49] <JPT> hopefully none :)[12:27:18] <tuxick> can't imagine spamfilters won't have problems with it[12:28:09] <JPT> as far as i know, there are no problems with spamfilters, since they operate more on content than on the sender[12:28:11] <tuxick> but i need to find a solution, got lots of forwards and some servers reject based on spf[12:28:47] <tuxick> spamfilters have to look at everything because spammers use everything[12:29:19] <JPT> You might get punished for forwarding spam, but srs won't change much about that[12:31:29] <tuxick> that's one of the problems i already face anyway[12:32:04] <tuxick> forwarding is nothing but trouble[12:33:30] <Kunsi> forwarding is evil[12:34:06] <tuxick> i've been warning about this for years[12:34:46] *** Poster has quit 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sending mail only for users, who have a certificate), according to http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html it can be done by smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = yes, but by some reason i still relay emails via my postfix server[17:06:50] <mc_fail> and i see in log file " Anonymous TLS connection established from work.tg.local[172.21.177.89]: TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)"[17:07:03] <mc_fail> why connection is still anonymous?[17:07:29] <mc_fail> why it wouldnt requre an ssl certificate from a client?[17:07:57] <patdk-wk> what does ask have to do with require?[17:08:45] <mc_fail> patdk-wk sorry, i didin't get what you mean[17:09:03] <patdk-wk> "why it wouldnt requre an ssl certificate from a client?" "smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = yes"[17:09:10] *** brgtt has joined #postfix[17:09:22] <patdk-wk> have to look in a min[17:09:26] <patdk-wk> but, till then[17:09:33] <patdk-wk> !tell mc_fail getting_help[17:09:33] <knoba> mc_fail: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[17:09:57] <mc_fail> !relevant_logs[17:09:57] <knoba> mc_fail: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[17:11:44] <patdk-wk> smtpd_tls_req_ccert = yes smtpd_tls_security_level = encrypt[17:12:24] <patdk-wk> not sure how you missed that in the file[17:12:26] *** sina0 has quit IRC[17:13:59] *** skylite has quit IRC[17:15:04] *** gamba47 has quit IRC[17:15:05] <mc_fail> patdk-wk see full pastebin: http://pastebin.com/42SCHG0F[17:15:24] <mc_fail> patdk-wk i have both smtpd_tls_req_ccert and smtpd_tls_security_level[17:15:32] <mc_fail> see postconf -n in pastebin[17:16:03] <patdk-wk> where is the other half of your config?[17:16:06] <patdk-wk> !smtps[17:16:06] <knoba> patdk-wk: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[17:16:45] *** sina0 has joined #postfix[17:17:03] <patdk-wk> that is a really really interesting mynetworks[17:17:11] <mc_fail> patdk-wk here it is http://pastebin.com/F3GLD04D[17:17:13] <patdk-wk> nice way to create an open-relay[17:18:06] <mc_fail> patdk-wk i have a lot of subnets in my intranet, therefore i'd like to enforce it to use ssl auth[17:18:20] <patdk-wk> but you allowed mynetworks[17:18:27] <patdk-wk> and you said, mynetworks is the WHOLE WORLD[17:18:31] <patdk-wk> so everyone is accepted[17:18:36] <patdk-wk> certificates is optional[17:18:41] <patdk-wk> having a valid account, is optional[17:18:50] *** teward has left #postfix[17:18:57] <patdk-wk> !open_relay[17:18:57] <knoba> patdk-wk: Error: "open_relay" is not a valid command.[17:19:00] <patdk-wk> !openrelay[17:19:00] <knoba> patdk-wk: "openrelay" : An open relay is a mail server that is set up incorrectly and accepts and forwards mails for strangers. It will quickly be identified and abused by spammers, then blacklisted. Postfix has numerous protections against becoming an open relay, so it is not likely to have this problem.[17:20:04] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[17:20:18] <mc_fail> hmm, but why i can't make certificates mandatory?[17:20:28] <mc_fail> like "SSLVerifyClient require" in apache[17:20:57] <mc_fail> if client has a ssl certificate signed by my CA - it is allowed to send mail via relay[17:21:01] <rob0> !smtpd_tls_security_level[17:21:02] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_tls_security_level" : the smtp tls security level for the postfix smtp server; when a non-empty value is specified, this overrides the obsolete parameters smtpd_use_tls and smtpd_enforce_tls. this parameter is ignored with smtpd_tls_wrappermode = yes . this feature is available in postfix 2.3 and later[17:21:26] <mc_fail> that makes sense.[17:27:57] *** a_west has quit IRC[17:30:17] *** nodedfree has quit IRC[17:33:37] *** nodedfree has joined #postfix[17:33:37] <mc_fail> now i have an error no peer certificate available on the client side[17:33:45] <mc_fail> see pastebin: http://pastebin.com/e3Nw5csh[17:35:22] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[17:35:50] *** Darcidride has joined #postfix[17:38:15] *** andry has quit IRC[17:43:29] <patdk-wk> well, now you just broken your smtps[17:43:32] <patdk-wk> so yes, it won't work[17:43:35] <patdk-wk> !submission[17:43:35] <knoba> patdk-wk: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[17:46:17] *** pti-jean has joined #postfix[17:47:25] <tuxick> anyone here happened to try upgrading mailman to 3?[17:47:37] <tuxick> just wondering how much pain to expect[17:48:42] *** pti-jean___ has quit IRC[17:52:00] *** jwr___ has quit IRC[17:53:23] *** TyrfingMjolnir has quit IRC[17:54:23] <DominikB> tuxick, when you have a plain simple install with no fancy stuff should work inplace[17:54:24] *** jwr___ has joined #postfix[17:55:26] *** pti-jean has quit IRC[18:00:41] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[18:04:55] *** littlegg has joined #postfix[18:07:34] <tuxick> there's a lot of lists on that server, but no extra's[18:08:30] *** lrea has quit IRC[18:08:49] <jaybe> tuxick, mm 3.1 will provide for more/better/safer 'upgrade'[18:09:09] <tuxick> that'll probably take a while[18:09:20] <tuxick> but i could give it a shot anyway[18:09:49] *** Amkei has quit IRC[18:10:12] <jaybe> 3.0 is "released" however I often see key players suggesting 3.1 is a better target for those wanting to convert over and mm3 full time in prod[18:10:40] *** jwr___ has left #postfix[18:10:49] <jaybe> i'm not taunting happy fun ball with production servers/clients until then ;)[18:11:28] <tuxick> k[18:11:45] <tuxick> i need to migrate sooner than that'll be released[18:12:28] <Dominian> hmm I see that 3.0 is in the python package index..[18:12:34] <Dominian> So it hasn't released yet[18:12:35] <Dominian> ?[18:13:46] *** dbalog has joined #postfix[18:14:35] *** pti-jean_ has joined #postfix[18:15:09] <jaybe> http://wiki.list.org/Mailman3[18:15:36] <jaybe> tuxick, see bottom of page[18:16:09] <jaybe> can run both version concurrently, technically, so that should assist with stepped migration testing[18:16:42] <tuxick> ooh nice[18:19:53] *** Batch has joined #postfix[18:20:59] *** howitdo has quit IRC[18:25:06] <DominikB> tuxick, but even barray says wait for 3.1[18:25:32] *** n-st has quit IRC[18:25:48] <tuxick> well it's good to know i can always later add 3.1[18:27:51] *** magyar has quit IRC[18:31:02] *** skweek has quit IRC[18:34:00] *** magyar has joined #postfix[18:36:13] *** littlegg has quit IRC[18:38:29] *** fornax has quit IRC[18:39:27] *** zacdev has joined #postfix[18:40:32] *** R1ppa has joined #postfix[18:41:21] <R1ppa> can someone halp pls, getting "DSN was sent (554 5.6.0 Reject,[18:41:21] <R1ppa> , id=25913-12 - BAD_HEADER: Improper folded header field made up entirely of whi[18:41:21] <R1ppa> tespace (char 20 hex): Subject: \\n ...))" error for a Google Adwords account reset, status sent, but they did not get this email, thanks.[18:41:25] <R1ppa> oops sorry...[18:46:03] *** magyar has quit IRC[18:46:13] <R1ppa> ah its Amavis that is doing this, my bad[18:46:26] *** darkavenger is now known as darkavenger_afk[18:47:02] *** xrupan has joined #postfix[18:47:49] <R1ppa> Getting error "DSN was sent (554 5.6.0 Reject,, id=25913-12 - BAD_HEADER: Improper folded header field made up entirely of whitespace (char 20 hex): Subject: \\n ...))" from google adwords, how to resolve?[18:51:58] <R1ppa> omg pasted in wrong channel, is it Monday today? Zzzzzz[18:52:40] <tuxick> almmost[18:55:56] <xrupan> hello. Please, can be example of 'before content filter' spamassassin? (in use mark email as spam, e.g.). Thanks[18:59:40] *** brgtt has quit IRC[19:08:43] *** fatalhalt has quit IRC[19:20:38] <xrupan> I know, it is valid example ;][19:20:55] *** xrupan has left #postfix[19:30:17] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[19:32:28] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[19:33:50] *** mc_fail has quit IRC[19:37:37] *** pti-jean_ has quit IRC[19:38:14] *** Xenoth has quit IRC[19:39:03] *** Xenoth has joined #postfix[19:40:23] *** pti-jean_ has joined #postfix[19:41:18] *** linkedinyou has quit IRC[19:55:43] *** drehmer has quit IRC[19:58:54] *** xrupan has joined #postfix[20:03:05] <xrupan> hello again. What exactly causes option content_filter = filter:dummy ? Have I understand it as this option disables sending to all delivery apparatus without "pipe"? Does know anybody documentation describing it?[20:03:23] <xrupan> *what does exactly causes[20:04:43] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[20:08:03] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[20:08:48] <xrupan> nobody watching this channel or don't understand my english?[20:10:14] *** Rez__ has joined #postfix[20:13:15] <DominikB> xrupan, http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html[20:13:20] <DominikB> first hit on google[20:19:27] <patdk-wk> !content_filter[20:19:27] <knoba> patdk-wk: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued. 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The guides i found were very useful, and all users can send and recieve emails as intended.[23:43:04] <ceptor> However, when sending mail the users can spoof an arbitary adress, since postfix does not seem to validate it. I tried to google "postfix sender verification", "postfix sender spoofing" etc. but to no avail[23:44:05] <ceptor> What do i need to keep the users from impersonating another? milter? Adress rewriting? Before-Queue Content Filtering?[23:45:31] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[23:45:55] <lunaphyte> you need to configure smtpd_sender_login_maps, and then use reject_sender_login_mismatch in your submission restrictions[23:47:27] <ceptor> lunaphyte: I will look into that, thanks a thousand times :)[23:48:06] <lunaphyte> sure thing[23:51:26] <ceptor> I cannot directly authenticate against LDAP, correct? Only via dovecot's SASL socket?[23:52:00] <lunaphyte> correct[23:52:07] <lunaphyte> postfix uses sasl.[23:52:21] <lunaphyte> you are welcome to directly authenticate against whatever you like with your sasl software[23:52:31] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[23:53:35] *** [NoClan]GoAway has quit IRC[23:54:20] *** mc_fail has joined #postfix[23:55:19] *** skweek has joined #postfix[23:59:58] *** echan has joined #postfix