June 28, 2013 
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June 28, 2013 [00:04:23] *** redspike has quit IRC[00:07:29] *** Borg has quit IRC[00:07:33] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[00:08:02] *** Borg has joined #postfix[00:13:14] *** fogus has joined #postfix[00:13:17] <fogus> Hello.[00:13:23] <fogus> I want to make new aliases[00:13:32] <fogus> I want them to go into the /etc/postfix/virtual.db file[00:13:40] <fogus> I want them to come from the /etc/postfix/virtual file[00:13:43] <fogus> how do I make this happen?[00:14:10] <tharkun> !postmap[00:14:19] <tharkun> !postmap[00:14:19] <knoba> tharkun: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')[00:18:48] *** grknight has joined #postfix[00:19:54] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[00:20:39] <fogus> tharkun: are transports the same as aliases?[00:21:05] <fogus> right now I have "virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual"[00:21:10] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[00:21:13] <fogus> I want to make this work with newaliases[00:21:14] *** mibofra has quit IRC[00:21:31] <fogus> however, the /etc/postfix/virtual.db file is old and it isn't getting updated when I run newalises[00:21:49] <fogus> but I keep getting "warning: database /etc/postfix/virtual.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/virtual"[00:21:54] <fogus> how can I fix this problem?[00:23:28] <adaptr> fogus: which part of the above instructions was unclear ?[00:24:06] <fogus> how can I use postmap for aliases?[00:24:31] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[00:24:39] <adaptr> !tell fogus overview[00:24:39] <knoba> fogus: "overview" : Postfix Architecture Overview : http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html[00:25:27] *** KippiX has quit IRC[00:25:38] <fogus> how does postmap relate to newaliases? when should I use one over the other?[00:27:15] <adaptr> !newaliases[00:27:15] <knoba> adaptr: "newaliases" : the command you need to run when you edited your /etc/aliases (it will usually create an aliases.db from it)[00:27:23] <adaptr> !alias_maps[00:27:23] <knoba> adaptr: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.[00:27:27] *** redspike has joined #postfix[00:27:31] <tharkun> fogus: rule of thumb. backup your current file, read the apropiate man pages, understand what you have been told tias.[00:27:32] <adaptr> !alias_database[00:27:32] <knoba> adaptr: "alias_database" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases for local(8) delivery that are updated with "newaliases" or with "sendmail -bi".[00:31:08] <fogus> ok, so newaliases won't get me a new virtual.db[00:31:50] <fogus> newaliases will get me a new aliases file[00:32:12] <fogus> and postmap will get me a new transport.db file, not a new virtual.db file[00:32:53] *** averagecase has quit IRC[00:33:36] <adaptr> where did you read that ?[00:34:07] <fogus> well, I've read that postmap will get me a new transport.db file, not a new virtual.db file in the example above[00:34:55] <adaptr> read it again. spell it word for word if some are hard.[00:35:23] *** redspike has quit IRC[00:37:20] <fogus> the thing is, postfix keeps deferring the mail, not delivering it to the local inbox[00:39:30] <adaptr> ...what on Earth does that have to do with anything you've said so far ?[00:39:37] <adaptr> !tell fogus welcome[00:39:37] <knoba> fogus: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[00:42:21] <fogus> Well, I have defined virtual_alias_maps to hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, so I figured even though the to: address on my mail was test at test2 dot asdf.com, since that alias file defines test at postfix-in01 dot ny3 as the destination for test at test2 dot asdf.com[00:43:00] <fogus> that's how it works on the server I'm porting this config from[00:43:46] <adaptr> !virtual_alias_maps[00:43:46] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[00:44:04] <adaptr> fogus: postfix works as documented. I'm still not hearing a cogent question in any of this.[00:46:38] *** Borg has quit IRC[00:48:07] <Patrickdk> I dunno if I would recomment cogent :)[00:49:36] <adaptr> why not ?[00:50:19] <fogus> I haven't found a bug or anything. I'm just wondering why even though I've defined aliases as http://hastebin.com/junilatake.rb the logs say http://hastebin.com/mumonuxitu.avrasm[00:50:34] <fogus> actually, we are using cogent[00:51:04] <adaptr> Jun 27 22:35:01 postfix-in01 postfix/smtp[14459]: connect to test2.asdf.com[38.108.115.23]:25: Connection timed out[00:51:22] *** biggimat has quit IRC[00:51:26] *** dav has joined #postfix[00:51:49] <fogus> no, it shouldn't try to deliver to there. that is the server itself[00:51:57] <adaptr> fogus: you munged your logs beyond usefulness. I'm losing interest fast[00:52:05] *** Borg has joined #postfix[00:52:12] <adaptr> don't use other people's domain names.[00:52:17] <adaptr> !tell fogus example[00:52:17] <knoba> fogus: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.[00:52:27] <fogus> sorry, replace asdf with example[00:52:37] <dav> Question that's not related to Postfix but I'm not sure where else to ask it: if I use GMail to send domain from @myowndomain.com, can I put a DKIM entry in myowndomain.com pointing to GMail's DKIM public key so that my E-mails come across as legitimate when sent from GMail?[00:52:50] <dav> send *mail* sorry[00:53:12] <adaptr> consult an opendkim support channel[00:53:29] <fogus> oh, this is an opendkim error?[00:53:45] <rob0> dav, but will gmail sign it for you? I think you need to ask gmail.[00:53:45] <adaptr> I wasn't talking to you[00:53:47] <Patrickdk> dav, sure[00:53:55] <dav> rob0: GMail signs it with its own signature[00:54:26] <rob0> dav, in any case I am sure your answer is in gmail documentation.[00:55:17] <fogus> Here is my log file without the asdf.com: http://hastebin.com/nujuhugoke.avrasm[00:55:46] <dav> rob0: by usecase is fairly rare, I have gmail send through my own SMTP server. I doubt there's anything in the doc..[00:56:16] <rob0> if they're sending through you, strip their DKIM and add your own, done.[00:56:31] <dav> Btw, they seem to use X-Google-DKIM-Signature: in the header. Does that mean 3rd parties won't recognize this and ignore it?[00:56:52] <dav> rob0: well, the SMTP server isn't under my control: it's a 3rd party service. They do not support DKIM..[00:57:10] <fogus> I am using opendkim actually[00:57:19] <rob0> !tell fogus port_25_block[00:57:19] <knoba> fogus: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[00:57:25] <adaptr> fogus: the receiving host does not accept connections.[00:57:44] <rob0> oh, right, it's only one host.[00:57:50] <fogus> but this server must have 24 open. it got the message from the gmail account.[00:58:13] <fogus> test2.example.com is the destination server. I wrote an email to test at test2 dot example.com. the logs I posted are from test2.example.com[00:58:41] <adaptr> !tell fogus mydestination[00:58:41] <knoba> fogus: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.[00:58:48] <rob0> You're trying to deliver to a host that is down or blocked, 38.108.115.23[00:59:07] <fogus> but that is this server[00:59:11] <adaptr> and also, perhaps, !why[00:59:18] <fogus> !why[00:59:18] <knoba> fogus: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[00:59:38] <rob0> Did you happen to mention that you were using multiple instances?[00:59:53] <fogus> I only have one instance of postfix on this server[01:00:45] <fogus> I don't know why it is trying to relay. Honestly.[01:01:14] <adaptr> did you study the links I gave you ?[01:01:26] <fogus> I'm looking through mydestination currently[01:01:38] <adaptr> especially the !overview, which tells you how postfix routes mail, and !mydestination, which determines what mail will be handled locally[01:02:07] *** bungalo has quit IRC[01:02:25] *** bungalo has joined #postfix[01:04:46] <fogus> Am I right that http://hastebin.com/xecugihewo.ini should deliver mail defined in the virtual.db file to be test at postfix-in01 dot ny3 ?[01:06:12] <Patrickdk> no[01:06:21] <adaptr> !tell fogus welcome[01:06:21] <knoba> fogus: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[01:06:34] <adaptr> that's twice. please follow the directions for a decent shot at support[01:07:48] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:09:09] <thumbs> 0/31[01:10:19] <rob0> !myhostnamenet[01:10:19] <knoba> rob0: Error: "myhostnamenet" is not a valid command.[01:10:37] <fogus> My configuration is here: http://hastebin.com/baraxivagu.md[01:10:41] *** redspike has joined #postfix[01:11:07] <fogus> that's master.cf, main.cf, and postconf[01:12:45] <fogus> I'm likely doing something dumb in there, but I'm not sure what[01:14:58] *** redspike has quit IRC[01:15:17] <Patrickdk> where does email come in? that 10.x ip?[01:15:18] <fogus> the fact that I'm NATing my public ip for test2.example.com to my local IP which is[01:15:31] <fogus> sorry, 10.24.21.102[01:15:43] <Patrickdk> what is that huge dump at line 98?[01:15:49] <fogus> 10.24.21.102 is my 38.108.115.23[01:15:53] <jelly-home> fogus: your issue is not likely to even get looked at, at all, by a number of clueful people in here, unless you provide exactly the information requested -- not more, not less[01:16:15] <fogus> sorry, that was postconf starting at line 98. should I have filtered it down somehow?[01:16:30] <thumbs> postconf -n suffices.[01:16:51] <fogus> will do. my bad. I did read through http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc[01:17:19] <fogus> here is the updated config dump: http://hastebin.com/habebaroyo.hs[01:17:20] <thumbs> "provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and "postconf -n" output before asking questions"[01:17:27] <Patrickdk> -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings[01:17:31] <Patrickdk> why are you doing this?[01:17:57] *** reddog1 has joined #postfix[01:18:04] <adaptr> heheh[01:18:46] <fogus> I was told to copy that by a coworker[01:19:03] <Patrickdk> yay for clueful coworkers[01:19:40] <Patrickdk> do you want to map addresses? (using like say, aliases, in your /etc/postfix/virtual file?)[01:19:43] <Patrickdk> or ignore them?[01:19:54] <fogus> yes, I want to map them[01:21:01] <rob0> thumbs, postconf -n RARELY suffices. Almost always, logs are more important, and of course "the whole story" matters, like if you happen to be using a service with master.cf -o overrides.[01:21:15] <fogus> no, wait, my bad. it wasn't my coworker[01:21:18] <rob0> not to mention the GOAL[01:21:28] <thumbs> rob0: I meant as opposed to the entire master.cf and main.cf[01:21:53] <thumbs> rob0: you're twisting my words![01:21:54] <rob0> oh, yeah, usually, except for the relevant overrides, of course[01:21:56] <fogus> I installed that because http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html mentioned it and I also have opendkim in the mix[01:22:06] <adaptr> for recent versions, postconf -nf and postconf -Mf[01:22:07] *** redspike has joined #postfix[01:22:12] * rob0 twists thumbs' thumbs[01:23:42] * thumbs hates the robs[01:28:53] <fogus> hm, I have 2.6.6[01:29:05] <fogus> it doesn't like the -M or -f flags[01:29:25] <thumbs> ouch, 2.6.6 ?[01:29:34] <fogus> yeah, this is centos6[01:29:43] <fogus> don't hate me[01:29:45] <rob0> that was many years ago. Current release is 2.10[01:29:57] <thumbs> there is no hate. I only hate rob0 :)[01:30:03] <thumbs> heh[01:30:59] <jelly-home> everyone.loves.rob0.(pilot).S01E01.x264.720p.PublicHD.mkv[01:31:09] <adaptr> rob0: 2.10.1, as of this week[01:31:32] <adaptr> BUT THAT'S LESS THAN 2.6![01:31:41] <rob0> !2.10[01:31:41] <knoba> rob0: "2.10" : Postfix 2.10, released in 2013, is the tenth minor version of Postfix major version 2. It is NOT the same as Postfix 2.1, for which support ended in 2005.[01:33:42] <fogus> ok, so here is a full log of a message coming in: http://hastebin.com/pexixahule.rob0 . you can see that the dkim is working now, but it is still trying to connect to 38.108.115.23, which I assume is because of the "receive_override_options=no_address_mappings" in my master.cf . should I simply exclude that line even though http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html mentions that it "disables address manipulation before the content[01:34:41] <adaptr> postfix is a complex system that you have no hope of understanding piecemeal. this is definitely the wrong approach.[01:35:42] <jelly-home> fogus: however, you do not seem to use a content_filter or did I miss it?[01:35:55] <fogus> sorry, I did just install that[01:36:43] <fogus> http://hastebin.com/kequdileco.hs[01:37:05] <adaptr> what I am trying to get across is that you are rgaspign at little pieces without a thorough grasp of email in general, or a basic understanding of how postfix fills the MTA role[01:41:06] <fogus> ok[01:41:16] <rob0> Was the overall problem and goal ever plainly stated? That might help me get a small amount of interest in this. (But ATM I am multitasking, so not concentrating on IRC.)[01:41:38] <rob0> All I saw above was a real wide-open and generic question about aliasing.[01:42:23] *** nutron|w has joined #postfix[01:43:13] *** whitegirlwasted has joined #postfix[01:43:55] <fogus> I am trying to receive mail destined for test at test2 dot example.com to a local mailbox on a machine called postfix-in01.ny3[01:44:05] <fogus> and then serve it up via postfix across pop3[01:44:14] <rob0> well,[01:44:16] <rob0> !pop3[01:44:17] <knoba> rob0: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol, superceded by IMAP (see !imap), that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server. Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[01:44:31] <rob0> (and why anyone in 2013 is using pop3 is beyond me)[01:44:43] <adaptr> they should all be using pop13![01:44:51] <rob0> but the MTA to local delivery is trivial:[01:44:53] <rob0> !basic[01:44:53] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[01:45:19] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[01:45:23] *** mactimes_ has quit IRC[01:45:42] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[01:45:44] <fogus> right, I'm using dovecot[01:46:53] *** Guest79310 has left #postfix[01:47:21] *** jelly has joined #postfix[01:47:35] <adaptr> stop mentioning things that are not postfix![01:48:14] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[01:48:16] <fogus> looks like the mail is being received properly now. I'm off to debug dovecot elsewhere. thanks for your help with the postfix stuff![01:48:32] <rob0> awesome[01:56:12] *** redspike has quit IRC[01:57:17] *** redspike has joined #postfix[01:57:41] <lunaphyte> someone is still using pop3?[02:02:50] <whitegirlwasted> is that fundamentally wrong?[02:03:00] *** whitegirlwasted is now known as Anthony[02:04:11] <lunaphyte> yeah[02:04:14] <pj> there are some edge cases where pop3 is ... well I won't say better, but in some edge cases the extra features of IMAP aren't really needed.[02:04:14] <rob0> hmm? Did you see the factoid? IMAP does everything POP3 can do, and much more. I am trying to kill off POP3 on my own server, users stuck in the 1990s, sigh.[02:04:59] <fogus> what configuration should I use to direct mail to the same place dovecot is looking for it? dovecot is looking for it in /home/test/Maildir currently in the maildir format.[02:05:00] <rob0> Dovecot IMAP performs better than POP3, also. Probably because Timo doesn't care about investing any effort into POP3.[02:05:14] <rob0> !maildir[02:05:14] <knoba> rob0: "maildir" : A mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /. See http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html if you want to know the details of how a maildir is constructed and used.[02:05:38] <pj> fair enough. BTW, can we change that pop3 factoid so that it clearly shows a preference for dovecot in its recommendation?[02:06:42] <rob0> pj, I don't have a strong opinion on that. I wouldn't use Courier-IMAP these days, though.[02:07:32] *** dav has left #postfix[02:08:10] <lunaphyte> there will always be edge cases that can be used to argue. the main problem with that though is people seem to more often be interested in unnecessarily retaining the edge case so they can make the argument, instead of genuinely being stuck with the edge case.[02:08:52] <lunaphyte> it's why you only hear "nonono it's better because blah blah blah", and rarely [if ever] hear "yeah, it blows, and i'm trying to change it, but i'm stuck for now"[02:09:09] <lunaphyte> ok, i take back [if ever] since rob0 just said it :)[02:09:49] <pj> well, the edge case is generally if you're just wanting the mailbox as a sort of fifo pipe for the mail to some other app.[02:10:06] <fogus> that's what I'm doing[02:10:06] <pj> but even then pop3 isn't necessarily *better*[02:10:12] <lunaphyte> plus, edge cases aren't really a practical metric for judging the overall validity of an argument.[02:13:45] *** Motoko has quit IRC[02:13:48] <jelly-home> rob0: yes, dovecot's pop3 is severely unoptimized[02:16:25] *** reddog1 has quit IRC[02:18:53] *** jumperboy has quit IRC[02:20:04] *** grknight has quit IRC[02:20:52] <Patrickdk> jelly how so?[02:21:01] <Patrickdk> I know most pop clients abuse it like hell[02:21:09] *** grknight has joined #postfix[02:21:11] <Patrickdk> it's more a fault of pop+uidl than dovecot[02:21:33] <Patrickdk> I have imap clients that login, and think they are doing pop[02:21:42] *** jumperboy has joined #postfix[02:21:52] <Patrickdk> login once every 5min, and do a index scan, downloading several megs of index data, then disconnect[02:22:52] <jelly-home> Patrickdk: not doing index updates but raw scans in a number of cases (like, if you're not using dovecot's own lda)[02:23:30] <Patrickdk> well, might be the case, I have used dovecots lda for a long time now[02:26:39] <jelly-home> replacing some old qmail-based mail infrastructure at work piece by piece, the storage boxes are getting their pop3 and imap updated but delivery will still be done by qmail-local for at least a couple months. If things get too slow the users will just have more incentive to switch to imap[02:27:32] <Patrickdk> why delievery via qmail-local?[02:27:40] <Patrickdk> too hard to convert the qmail forward things?[02:28:02] <Patrickdk> I just converted a qmail install to postfix/dovecot a few weeks ago[02:28:08] <jelly-home> and the automation behind it[02:28:24] <Patrickdk> ah, user interfaces :)[02:28:58] <jelly-home> oh, those are at least 3 layers up[02:29:29] <Patrickdk> I just have everyone using sieve, even if they don't know better[02:29:56] <Patrickdk> that reminds me though[02:30:07] <Patrickdk> I bet I never setup webmail to handle sieve on that conversion[02:30:22] <Patrickdk> but I don't think anyone actually uses webmail except for emergancies[02:32:27] *** danblack has quit IRC[02:45:12] *** heller_barde has quit IRC[02:45:33] *** spidrak has joined #postfix[02:46:41] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[02:58:38] *** sniffells has quit IRC[03:07:47] *** reddog1 has joined #postfix[03:12:16] *** grknight has quit IRC[03:14:30] *** grknight has joined #postfix[03:14:54] *** sniffells has joined #postfix[03:16:58] *** danblack has joined #postfix[03:20:37] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[03:21:55] *** reddog1 has quit IRC[03:22:20] *** magyar has quit IRC[03:44:08] *** chalcedny has quit IRC[04:19:13] *** spidrak has quit IRC[04:27:12] *** Guest39738 has joined #postfix[04:28:05] *** Guest39738 has left #postfix[04:28:44] *** Guuest45818 has joined #postfix[04:28:47] <Guuest45818> Hi[04:29:27] <Guuest45818> does anyone postfixadmin?[04:30:19] <pj> Guuest45818: yes, but it isn't supported here.[04:31:14] <Guuest45818> pj: there is a surface that is recommended?[04:31:48] <pj> Guuest45818: only postfix is supported here, postfixadmin is not part of postfix.[04:33:03] <Guuest45818> Yes, in postfixadmin channel are only 11 people.[04:33:15] <Guuest45818> pj: okay, thank you.[04:33:30] <pj> Guuest45818: if you have a postfix issue please ask about it here.[04:34:07] <Guuest45818> pj: no it comes to a surface.[04:34:56] <thumbs> what's a surface?[04:35:09] <Guuest45818> gui[04:35:26] <thumbs> you don't need a gui.[04:36:21] <Guuest45818> thumbs: determined not.[04:37:03] <Guuest45818> thumbs: I did try it without backup mx. the mail can to.[04:37:27] <pj> I think there's a language barrier here.[04:37:56] <Guuest45818> pj: that's true[04:38:40] <Guuest45818> thumbs telling me I do not need a backup server.[04:39:12] <Guuest45818> it worked as he told me[04:39:46] *** ankso has quit IRC[04:40:13] *** ankso has joined #postfix[04:40:13] *** ankso has joined #postfix[04:40:17] <Guuest45818> but now I am looking for a gui (postfixadmin). but it will not be discussed here.[04:41:49] <Guuest45818> Unfortunately not. I thought someone could help me.[04:43:17] <Guuest45818> :-)[04:50:51] *** niki has quit IRC[04:56:02] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[05:04:14] *** grknight has quit IRC[05:04:21] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[05:04:38] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[05:08:18] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[05:08:34] *** Guuest45818 has left #postfix[05:10:02] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[05:28:26] *** chalcedny has joined #postfix[05:37:36] *** Bronze has quit IRC[05:49:23] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[05:57:34] *** jgmdev has quit IRC[05:59:04] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[06:00:13] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:01:09] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:18:28] *** Hydrazine has quit IRC[06:28:04] *** Borg has quit IRC[06:29:27] *** Borg has joined #postfix[06:38:15] *** biggimat has joined #postfix[06:38:19] *** internat has joined #postfix[07:10:06] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[07:10:33] *** Anthony has left #postfix[07:18:44] *** sgo11 has joined #postfix[07:19:56] <sgo11> hi, I setup postfix+dovecot mail server. I can send emails to gmail, hotmail etc. fine. But I failed to send emails to @aol.com. It returns "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" email with error msg: (CON:B1) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554conb1.html[07:20:15] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[07:20:17] <sgo11> when I check the link, it shows The IP address has been blocked due to a spike in unfavorable e-mail statistics. what the hell is this? how to fix this problem? thanks.[07:21:25] *** redbeard has joined #postfix[07:21:39] <EugeneKay> AOL have an overzealous blacklist.[07:22:18] <sgo11> EugeneKay, is that possible to fix this problem? thanks.[07:22:33] <EugeneKay> You can try to get a new IP from your host[07:22:45] <EugeneKay> But chances are it'll be in the same /24 block, and equally blacklisted[07:24:12] <sgo11> EugeneKay, AOL is stupid... is that possible to add my IP to whitelist somehow?[07:24:53] <EugeneKay> No clue. There's nobody on @aol.com I'm willing to deal with anymore :-p[07:25:49] <sgo11> EugeneKay, ok. thanks. one more question. I use starttls for smtp. but I found out without starttls, plain auth will work too. how can I disable plain auth and only allow starttls? thanks.[07:26:38] <EugeneKay> For submission? Look up smtpd_tls_auth_only[07:27:27] <sgo11> EugeneKay, thanks. i will try to set smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes.[07:30:22] <sgo11> EugeneKay, when I set smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes, should I set smtpd_tls_security_level = encrypt or smtpd_tls_security_level = may ? thanks.[07:30:36] <EugeneKay> That's for s2s. I use may.[07:30:51] <sgo11> EugeneKay, ok. thanks.[07:31:57] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[07:33:30] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[07:46:33] *** UQlev has quit IRC[07:47:29] *** Hydrazine has joined #postfix[08:04:42] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[08:08:10] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[08:10:25] <rob0> AOL at one time had one of the best postmaster departments in the business. Cost-cutting has solved that problem for them, but AFAIK they're still cruising along fairly well on the foundation built by good people.[08:12:51] <rob0> Bottom line, hard as it may be to understand: you cannot force any unwilling receiver to accept your mail. They can block you for any (or no) reason. Their server, their rules.[08:13:51] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[08:14:00] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:14:00] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:15:23] *** spidrak has joined #postfix[08:19:15] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:19:36] <sgo11> rob0, but the problem is AOL users are willing to receive emails from my mail server. But AOL blocks my mailserver IP with no reason. I have to ask customers who use AOL to register another email box.[08:20:35] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[08:20:49] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:20:49] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:23:14] <rob0> yes, you do[08:26:32] <rob0> or, you could try to find out why AOL doesn't like your mail and fix the cause[08:31:12] <sgo11> rob0, it just says "blocked due to a spike in unfavorable e-mail statistics." there is nothing I can do. I just bought the VPS from linode.[08:31:20] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[08:35:13] <rob0> you can talk to Linode support and the Linode community (I think they have an IRC channel on OFTC) and see how others have dealt with this.[08:36:11] <rob0> Apparently one or more previous renters of your IP address earned a bad reputation for it (and thus, now, you as well.)[08:38:19] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[08:38:36] *** sgo11 has quit IRC[08:44:31] *** spidrak has quit IRC[08:45:13] *** trusktr has quit IRC[08:47:07] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[08:47:52] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:47:55] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[08:51:26] *** sgo11 has joined #postfix[08:52:01] *** trusktr has quit IRC[08:59:20] <pj> sgo11: did you fill out a support request as per this page: http://postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.Reputation.php[09:02:06] <sgo11> pj, thanks for this info. I didn't know this. 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#postfix[11:09:35] *** molavy has left #postfix[11:09:44] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:09:48] *** molavy has joined #postfix[11:09:55] <molavy> hi[11:10:09] <molavy> i can't send message to gmail user accounts[11:10:55] <UQlev> molavy: maybe you don't know yet where is power-button[11:11:03] <molavy> i have one static ip address and dns server and a web server[11:11:11] <molavy> maybe:)[11:11:28] <molavy> and a domain name[11:11:46] <UQlev> molavy: start from reading /topic[11:11:49] <molavy> set domain name using dns sever to static ip address[11:13:00] <molavy> i read lots about ptr and reverse lookup[11:13:28] <UQlev> molavy: how can you prove it?[11:14:32] <UQlev> molavy: experienced sysadmins are following "smart way of asking questions"[11:16:22] <UQlev> molavy: nobody here can check all of your statements above[11:18:02] <UQlev> molavy: you are telling your "fairy-tail" without a single extract from configs or logfiles[11:18:20] <molavy> UQlev: but don't understand where should set it , in dns server or in web server request from isp provider,[11:19:09] <UQlev> molavy: I don't want to guess until I see relevant logs[11:19:25] <UQlev> !tell molavy relevant logs[11:19:25] <knoba> UQlev: Error: No factoid matches that key.[11:19:44] <UQlev> !tell molavy relevant logfiles[11:19:44] <knoba> UQlev: Error: No factoid matches that key.[11:20:07] <molavy> i don't related to setting , i just want know where should i set ptr , i am not experienced too,keep it easy , what log file do you want i dpaste[11:20:59] <UQlev> molavy: I want to see a fragment of your postfix logfile where postfix failed to send to gmail[11:20:59] <molavy> ?[11:23:45] <UQlev> molavy: I would prefere latest attempt after all changes in your settings[11:25:21] *** p3rror has quit IRC[11:25:48] <molavy> UQlev , not have postfix yet in web/mail server, i want setup first stage email server using sendmail , then setup postfix for advance usage, but when i use this shell comman[11:26:05] <molavy> echo "hello world" | mail -s "a subject" name at gmail dot com[11:26:32] <molavy> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550-5.7.1 [178.131.50.99] The IP you're using to send mail is not authorized to[11:27:14] <UQlev> molavy: what is your source IP of sender?[11:27:39] <molavy> 178.131.50.99[11:28:55] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[11:29:03] <UQlev> 1) this IP is heavily blacklisted http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/178.131.50.99.html[11:29:43] <UQlev> 2) this IP hase no PTR record (your ISP is responsible for your PTR)[11:30:53] <UQlev> from such and IP you can send only via submission port (587) using SMTP-authentication[11:31:48] <UQlev> molavy: no'one decent server will accept mail from this IP to port 25[11:34:49] <molavy> i don't need ptr setting if i use port 587 and smtp authentication[11:34:53] <molavy> ?[11:35:13] <UQlev> not compulsory[11:35:31] <molavy> smtp authentication means i must use another mail server to send emails?[11:35:51] <UQlev> to use smtp-auth via submission you have to have valid account and credentials[11:36:50] <UQlev> molavy: yes, often this relay is gmail[11:37:20] <UQlev> molavy: because other servers will receive from gmail but not from you directly[11:38:39] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[11:39:30] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[11:39:42] <molavy> aha:( , has it other limits that should i know before choice between request set ptr from isp or use SMTP-authentication[11:39:47] <molavy> ?[11:40:16] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[11:41:03] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[11:41:35] <UQlev> molavy: min requirements are here http://blog.fastmail.fm/2007/12/05/sending-email-servers-best-practice/[11:42:19] <UQlev> molavy: providing you have cleaned your IP reputation[11:42:54] <molavy> UQlev , hanks a ton for your patient[11:43:39] <UQlev> molavy: because if you are blacklisted all above doesn't work[11:43:53] <UQlev> my pleasure[11:50:06] *** molavy has quit IRC[11:52:38] *** molavy has joined #postfix[12:06:00] *** molavy 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#postfix[15:47:02] <boytoy> Hi, has anyone tried the new OpenSMTPD and know how it compares to Postfix?[15:57:01] <Dominian> never heard of it[15:57:19] <grknight> boytoy: just by reading the manual, with no spam controls nor milters, it needs more time to bake IMO[15:58:23] <boytoy> grknight: that part is handled by http://www.openbsd.org/spamd/ i think[15:58:33] <boytoy> Dominian: yeah me neither until just now[15:58:37] <grknight> boytoy: but there is NO way to pass off to it[15:58:48] <Dominian> no milters?[15:58:52] <Dominian> eh.. yeah[16:00:28] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:54] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:02:12] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:03:27] <boytoy> Is it popular these days to outsource spam handling to Google?[16:06:48] <Dominian> I don't[16:06:58] <Dominian> Imho, they are too expensive[16:14:10] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:15:43] <tuxick> boytoy: some people love to outsource having their mail scanned by google yes :)[16:16:17] <tuxick> nsa giving them all the tools they need![16:19:10] <boytoy> hehe[16:20:48] *** wald00 has quit IRC[16:25:14] *** jumperboy has quit IRC[16:26:47] *** jumperboy has joined #postfix[16:29:23] *** fogus has left #postfix[16:30:12] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:30:35] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:37:34] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[16:38:47] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[16:39:52] *** fogus has joined #postfix[16:41:01] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[16:41:18] <fogus> how can I deliver mail for my "actual" linux users to a Maildir/ but deliver mail for virtual users (who are not actual linux users in the /etc/passwd file) to an mbox in the /var/spool/mail?[16:42:42] <lunaphyte> set up local to deliver to wherever you want and set up virtual to deliver to wherever you want[16:43:03] <fogus> inside master.cf?[16:43:04] <lunaphyte> and i don't know why anyone would use mbox in this day and age[16:43:19] <fogus> we have some program that runs against it[16:43:21] <lunaphyte> inside the postfix config[16:43:34] <lunaphyte> what is this actually about?[16:43:37] <lunaphyte> what program?[16:43:50] <fogus> it processes bounce emails[16:44:04] <lunaphyte> oh[16:44:11] <fogus> it is a custom internal program[16:44:33] <lunaphyte> not sure why you wouldn't just deliver to that program with pipe.[16:44:41] <lunaphyte> that would be the right way to do it[16:44:50] <fogus> hmm, true[16:50:24] <fogus> so, do I change the master.cf? my current config looks like this: http://hastebin.com/qodicihogu.hs[16:50:33] <fogus> right now, I have set "home_mailbox = Maildir/"[16:50:53] <fogus> that's what's putting mail into the /home/foo/Maildir areas right now[16:50:57] <patdk-wk_> you can add a target in master.cf, you just use a local user[16:51:29] <lunaphyte> this is all covered in the documentation. for help in the channel, follow the instructions in the channel /topic[16:51:47] <lunaphyte> postconf -nf; postconf -Mf[16:52:24] <fogus> 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http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html[16:57:14] <lunaphyte> and it will be appropriate for your version of postfix, whereas some web page somewhere may not[16:57:23] <lunaphyte> [even if it's from www.postfix.org][16:57:33] <fogus> my computer does not have a file called virtual_readme on it[16:57:48] <lunaphyte> who gave you the software?[16:57:58] <fogus> it came with my centos6 distro[16:58:34] <lunaphyte> to be clear, it's probably VIRTUAL_README[16:58:43] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[16:58:46] <lunaphyte> so if you're searching, use a case insensitive search[16:58:55] <fogus> good call, I found that file[16:59:03] <lunaphyte> good deal.[16:59:25] <lunaphyte> that's perhaps my fault. i don't really waste time typing capital letters[16:59:38] <fogus> no, I hear ya, no prob[16:59:42] *** jarif has quit IRC[17:16:35] *** jarif has joined #postfix[17:18:05] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[17:19:01] *** MacWinner has quit IRC[17:28:10] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[17:34:12] *** 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I don't see in there, however, where I can configure mbox vs maildir formats for different users[18:18:11] *** reddog1 has joined #postfix[18:27:13] *** fogus has quit IRC[18:27:34] *** fogus has joined #postfix[18:27:58] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:30:08] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:30:47] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:33:22] <fogus> I am not sure which setting I need to change even after reading the readme[18:35:51] <fogus> maybe I should just manually configure the destination and format for each user[18:40:22] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[18:47:28] *** jgmdev has joined #postfix[18:48:16] *** jgmdev has quit IRC[18:48:36] *** UQlev has quit IRC[19:00:01] <adaptr> 24 hours and you're still on this ?[19:00:19] <fogus> well, this is a different problem now[19:00:40] <fogus> I actually got postfix to deliver to the maildirs and dovecot to serve it up to gmail[19:00:58] <adaptr> ....no you didn't[19:01:42] <fogus> but what I don't have working now is being able to manually set which users get maildirs in their /home/user directory and which users get mboxes in /var/spool/mail[19:03:29] <fogus> yeah, I actually got a message successfully through[19:03:57] <fogus> I sent it from gmail, it went to my postfix instance, and then it got pulled by pop into another gmail account[19:03:59] <fogus> pretty sweet[19:04:16] <patdk-wk_> heh, circle of death[19:04:28] <fogus> well, they were different accounts[19:04:38] <patdk-wk_> so?[19:05:00] <adaptr> !tell fogus virtual_mailbox_maps[19:05:00] <knoba> fogus: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[19:05:11] <fogus> so that makes it useful for sending mail. if you can only use the same account, it's hard to send mail[19:05:23] <adaptr> you cannot do this with local accounts. it's either all maildir, or all mbox.[19:05:49] <fogus> ok, I only need to have mboxes for the virtual accounts and maildirs for the local accounts[19:06:12] <adaptr> ...so there is no split. those are entirely different[19:06:18] <fogus> let me lookup virtual_mailbox_maps then[19:06:28] <fogus> yeah, I wanted to be able to configure it per account[19:06:47] <fogus> but since I can't, I'll use the virtual/local distinction instead[19:07:39] <adaptr> who says you can't?[19:08:33] <fogus> can I configure a mailbox type for any account somewhere? only for virtual accounts?[19:08:46] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[19:09:11] <adaptr> !tell fogus virtual_mailbox_maps[19:09:11] <knoba> fogus: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[19:09:34] <fogus> right, I'm reading about that and trying to use it[19:13:49] *** reddog2 has joined #postfix[19:14:30] *** reddog1 has quit IRC[19:14:45] *** reddog1 has joined #postfix[19:19:02] <fogus> one more question: how can I say "do not accept or relay mail for any domain except *.example.com"?[19:20:29] <patdk-wk_> .example.com accept[19:20:32] <patdk-wk_> . reject[19:20:41] <patdk-wk_> !goal[19:20:41] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[19:21:49] *** gu1lle_1 has joined #postfix[19:21:53] <lunaphyte> don't use wildcards anyway[19:21:54] <fogus> a goal of mine is to not become a spam relay[19:22:09] <fogus> sure, I can list all of the subdomains, that's fine[19:22:14] <lunaphyte> that's a good goal.[19:24:30] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[19:24:49] <lunaphyte> did you get virtual working?[19:25:56] <fogus> does anyone have an example file?[19:26:01] <lunaphyte> no.[19:26:05] <lunaphyte> it doesn't work that way.[19:26:13] <fogus> I'm supposed to start with "user at domain dot tld" on the line[19:26:31] <lunaphyte> there are examples in the documentation. if you're still having trouble then you share *your* config. not the other way around[19:27:28] <fogus> I don't have virtual_mailbox_maps set to anything currently[19:27:58] <fogus> I do have a "virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual", but that's different[19:29:15] <fogus> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#virtual_mailbox_maps references http://www.postfix.org/virtual.8.html for the "remainder of this text"[19:29:41] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[19:31:53] <fogus> patdk-wk_: in which file do I put ".example.com accept"?[19:32:26] <patdk-wk_> fogus, I answered what you asked[19:32:33] <patdk-wk_> the issue is, what you ask is NOT what you want to do[19:33:09] <patdk-wk_> you figured out how to use virtual_domain_maps[19:33:48] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[19:33:49] <fogus> yes, but I also want to not be a spam relay.[19:34:23] <patdk-wk_> heh?[19:34:58] <fogus> I want to specify virtual users to have the mbox format. I also, simultaneously, want to not become a spam relay.[19:34:59] <patdk-wk_> then don't run an email server[19:35:45] <fogus> I was wondering if you were able to explain to postfix that if I saw a message that was not destined for example.com, reject that message.[19:36:08] <fogus> But also tell postfix that I want to accept mail for example.com. So, I can't just turn off the postfix server.[19:36:41] <fogus> (because otherwise it won't receive any mail)[19:37:03] <patdk-wk_> !basic[19:37:03] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[19:38:12] <lunaphyte> !tell fogus virtual_mailbox_domains[19:38:12] <knoba> fogus: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.[19:38:50] <lunaphyte> it's right there in virtual_readme[19:39:02] *** alexbst has quit IRC[19:41:04] *** alexbst has joined #postfix[19:41:25] <fogus> ok, that syntax looks different than the ".example.com accept" thingie, but I prefer it[19:51:57] <patdk-wk_> yes, you asked how to do it[19:52:11] <patdk-wk_> you didn't ask for whatever the *correct* way is for whatever it is your doing, that I don't know[19:52:39] <patdk-wk_> none of that has to do with blocking spam though[19:52:52] <patdk-wk_> or even limiting the relay of spam[19:58:44] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[19:59:21] *** molavy has joined #postfix[20:00:15] *** molavy has left #postfix[20:00:23] *** molavy has joined #postfix[20:00:29] <molavy> hi[20:00:35] <fogus> in http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html it says this: Maildir style delivery is turned on by terminating the mailbox pathname with "/".[20:00:43] <molavy> i want use relay smtp.gmail.com[20:00:53] <molavy> but this error returned[20:00:57] <molavy> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first.[20:01:04] <fogus> I was wondering about how that lined up with "john at example dot org /var/vmail/example.org/john/Maildir" in http://workaround.org/book/export/html/369[20:01:13] <molavy> i use this tutorial[20:01:14] <molavy> http://simon.heimlicher.com/articles/2010/08/29/smtp-smarthost[20:01:22] <molavy> sorry[20:01:24] <fogus> Can you also use /Maildir to mean "/" which means use the maildir format?[20:01:37] <patdk-wk_> heh?[20:01:45] <molavy> this one[20:01:46] <molavy> http://yaui.me/postfix-gmail-smtp-server-relay-ubuntu/[20:01:47] <patdk-wk_> what part of ending in /, did you not understand?[20:01:56] <patdk-wk_> !tell molavy tutorial[20:01:56] <knoba> molavy: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[20:02:06] <molavy> but on level 5[20:02:09] <molavy> this comman[20:02:14] <molavy> this command : cat /etc/ssl/certs/Thawte_Premium_Server_CA.pem | sudo tee -a /etc/postfix/cacert.pem[20:02:37] <patdk-wk_> did you write that tutorial?[20:03:09] <molavy> return no such file or directory[20:03:44] <molavy> no[20:03:55] <patdk-wk_> then why are you using it?[20:04:22] <molavy> knoba, do you know about solution[20:04:47] <molavy> ?[20:06:15] <molavy> no idea?[20:07:14] <fogus> molavy: it looks to me like gmail is requiring encryption[20:07:41] <fogus> do you have a valid certificate?[20:08:37] <fogus> when it says ''Maildir style delivery is turned on by terminating the mailbox pathname with "/".'', does that mean that without a trailing slash, you get mbox format?[20:08:51] <molavy> no[20:09:45] <molavy> how can i get one?[20:12:06] <molavy> ls /etc/ssl/certs/[20:12:06] <molavy> ca-bundle.crt ca-bundle.trust.crt make-dummy-cert Makefile[20:12:20] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[20:12:22] <fogus> there are people who sell them. I do not know if gmail is asking for any cert of a real cert[20:12:34] <fogus> s/of/or/[20:15:07] <fogus> you can buy certs from places like Godaddy if you need a real one[20:15:59] <patdk-wk_> heh, blind leadingthe blind[20:16:06] <patdk-wk_> that is NOT what is the issue[20:16:20] <patdk-wk_> the issue is using a broken tutorial[20:16:37] <patdk-wk_> an OLD OUTDATED and there BROKEN tutorial[20:17:24] <fogus> molavy: it could be that you just need to turn tls on in the first place. I am not sure what the actual problem is, I'm just giving my best shot based on the error message you're getting[20:18:02] <fogus> if patdk-wk_ or other smart people have suggestions, I highly recommend listening to them[20:18:30] <molavy> WoW[20:18:42] <molavy> i changed above line to[20:18:43] <molavy> cat /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt | sudo tee -a /etc/postfix/cacert.pem[20:18:58] <molavy> and it work correctly[20:19:08] <fogus> oh, so your file was just named differently?[20:19:21] <patdk-wk_> no[20:19:30] <patdk-wk_> google used to use thawte certificate[20:19:35] <patdk-wk_> now google uses their own ca[20:19:40] <patdk-wk_> ca-bundle includes ALL ca's[20:19:52] <molavy> but i don't know why ca-bundle.ca is there[20:20:03] <molavy> maybe from another tutorial[20:20:22] *** riceandbeans has joined #postfix[20:20:32] <riceandbeans> can anyone help me with this problem?[20:20:40] <molavy> patdk-wk_, that is good or bad[20:20:46] <riceandbeans> postfix/qmgr[18196]: warning: connect to transport private/esmtp: No such file or directory[20:20:52] <molavy> that make problem?[20:22:54] <molavy> fogus,thanks[20:23:20] <molavy> patdk-wk_,knoba , thanks[20:23:37] <fogus> molavy: no prob. I think what patdk-wk_ is saying is that you need to have Google's CA in there in order to start the TLS session.[20:23:40] *** xstation has joined #postfix[20:24:00] <fogus> riceandbeans: which version of postfix is this?[20:24:42] <molavy> knoba , but you don't telling what is problem of reading tutorials, what should i do if its not good to read tutorials[20:26:12] <riceandbeans> 2.6.6[20:27:25] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[20:27:48] <fogus> riceandbeans: I'm the same and I haven't had that experience[20:27:58] <fogus> can you paste your config per the channel topic?[20:28:09] <fogus> remember to include `postconf -n`[20:28:13] <patdk-wk_> molavy, I told you the issue with using tutorials, they are OLD and OUTDATED[20:28:27] <patdk-wk_> therefor incorrect and cause you issues cause you didn't read the manual and understand what your doing[20:28:42] <fogus> molavy: knoba is a bot.[20:29:01] <fogus> there's no use arguing with it.[20:29:08] *** xstation has quit IRC[20:29:11] <patdk-wk_> !knoba[20:29:11] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[20:29:27] <patdk-wk_> !rob0[20:29:27] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic and !standard factoids[20:29:43] <fogus> what patdk-wk_ is saying is that you should read the documents to understand what the tutorials are saying[20:29:58] <fogus> patdk-wk_: did you set that rob0 one up? that's pretty funny.[20:30:07] <patdk-wk_> nope, probably rob0[20:30:11] <molavy> aha, :)[20:33:31] <riceandbeans> fogus: here's the issue[20:33:59] <riceandbeans> fogus: the postfix server receives mail from all other systems in the network and it then sends mail outbound[20:34:08] <riceandbeans> if I have it mail to any other domain it works fine[20:34:39] <riceandbeans> when I have it mail to he same domain as it is (it's not supposed to mail itself, it's a google app we have so it's supposed to email google), but instead it does nothing[20:38:42] *** molavy has left #postfix[20:39:52] <fogus> hmm. I see.[20:40:04] <fogus> Are you able to share the config?[20:42:37] <riceandbeans> I don't want to show my domain or IPs[20:42:53] <fogus> well, replace your domain with example.com and your IPs with 5.5.5.5[20:44:47] <fogus> I have to go to the dentist now[20:47:39] <riceandbeans> ok i fixed it[20:47:50] <riceandbeans> I copied parts from a sendmail config and that broke it[20:48:00] <riceandbeans> I told it in transport to esmtp to google[20:48:07] <riceandbeans> I changed that to smtp to google and it works now[20:59:39] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[21:00:40] *** riceandbeans has quit IRC[21:05:42] *** wald00 has quit IRC[21:12:56] *** HaxCore has joined #postfix[21:13:41] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[21:13:50] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[21:13:51] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[21:15:58] *** p3rror has quit IRC[21:18:34] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[21:19:36] *** magyar has quit IRC[21:19:59] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:19:59] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:32:15] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[21:35:57] *** magyar has quit IRC[21:38:19] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:38:19] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:48:27] *** magyar has quit IRC[21:48:50] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:48:51] *** magyar has joined #postfix[21:58:19] *** magyar has quit IRC[22:02:58] *** Section1 has quit IRC[22:10:47] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[22:16:21] *** aarcane has joined #postfix[22:29:14] *** lunaphyte__ has joined #postfix[22:30:01] *** lunaphyte__ has quit IRC[22:45:13] *** larsmw has joined #postfix[22:58:45] *** grknight has quit IRC[23:07:27] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[23:07:51] *** snearch has joined #postfix[23:11:17] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[23:14:55] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[23:30:20] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[23:30:56] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[23:36:37] *** magyar has joined #postfix[23:36:37] *** magyar has joined #postfix[23:40:20] *** Borg has quit IRC[23:41:18] *** magyar has quit IRC[23:44:59] *** Borg has joined #postfix[23:45:43] *** magyar has joined #postfix[23:45:43] *** magyar has joined #postfix[23:55:24] *** mibofra has quit IRC