June 27, 2013 
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June 27, 2013 [00:01:29] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[00:03:21] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[00:05:49] *** mibofra has quit IRC[00:15:50] *** wdp has quit IRC[00:21:09] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[00:24:58] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[00:27:50] <adaptr> re-discovering XFCE for a bit. me like![00:32:18] <Aprogas> I'm considering switching from Kubuntu to Arch+XFCE[00:34:04] <adaptr> I hear rumors that arch is faster than slack. but I like slack.[00:35:36] <Aprogas> http://wiffdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Hey-there-did-you-know-I-use-arch-linux.png[00:37:12] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:38:25] <adaptr> she has Maggie Gyllenhaal-face[00:42:36] *** MacWinner has joined #postfix[00:42:46] *** danblack has joined #postfix[01:03:07] *** KippiX has joined #postfix[01:04:42] *** trusktr has quit IRC[01:06:37] *** Bry8Star_ has joined #postfix[01:07:29] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[01:07:38] *** rlax has quit IRC[01:09:08] *** grossing has quit IRC[01:11:11] *** SWAT has quit IRC[01:16:43] *** grossing has joined #postfix[01:17:59] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:25:04] *** KippiX has quit IRC[01:26:57] *** kirin` has quit IRC[01:31:00] *** kirin` has joined #postfix[01:41:29] *** jarif has joined #postfix[01:43:47] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[01:48:27] *** SWAT has joined #postfix[02:07:20] *** nutron has quit IRC[02:14:30] *** grossing has quit IRC[02:16:06] *** grossing has joined #postfix[02:20:39] *** grknight has joined #postfix[02:29:19] *** tjikkun has quit IRC[02:39:55] *** danblack has quit IRC[02:40:36] *** danblack has joined #postfix[02:50:03] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[02:52:00] *** zooko has joined #postfix[02:53:12] *** jeffrey3234 has left #postfix[03:02:24] *** jarif has quit IRC[03:03:13] *** zooko has quit IRC[03:03:38] *** snearch has quit IRC[03:04:01] *** zooko has joined #postfix[03:27:09] *** zooko has quit IRC[03:29:03] *** rob0_ has quit IRC[03:40:15] *** wald00 has quit IRC[03:48:47] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[03:50:35] *** jarif has joined #postfix[04:52:28] <pj> meh, gotta love a blacklist that lists you because they don't like the content of your website.[04:56:03] *** grknight has quit IRC[04:57:05] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[05:00:52] *** gavimobile has quit IRC[05:04:25] *** danblack has quit IRC[05:04:46] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[05:05:26] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[05:11:02] *** jimpop has quit IRC[05:13:50] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[05:15:46] *** danblack has joined #postfix[05:21:04] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[05:30:01] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[05:33:52] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[05:33:55] *** jarif has quit IRC[05:38:09] *** rmayorga has quit IRC[05:55:28] *** Borg has quit IRC[05:56:54] *** wald00 has quit IRC[06:00:12] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:48] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:23:48] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[06:28:16] *** yardena has left #postfix[06:33:48] *** biggimat has joined #postfix[07:19:46] *** err-or has joined #postfix[07:30:19] *** magyar has quit IRC[08:00:04] *** Uranio has quit IRC[08:00:49] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[08:06:51] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[08:09:28] *** Motoko has quit IRC[08:12:21] *** gavimobile has joined #postfix[08:12:59] <gavimobile> morning[08:17:51] *** Borg_ has quit IRC[08:22:42] *** Borg has joined #postfix[08:55:49] <gavimobile> it seems that I am unable to relay unless if I add my ipaddress to mynetworks here's my postconf -n http://pastebin.com/ccai7JRj[08:57:03] <pj> !tell gavimobile relevant_logs[08:57:03] <knoba> gavimobile: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[08:58:51] <gavimobile> pj: http://pastebin.com/CDvdhGUD[08:59:07] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:59:07] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:59:25] <gavimobile> so what I add that ip, than it sends the mail... can I change my settings that auth should be enough|[08:59:26] <gavimobile> ?[08:59:54] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[08:59:56] <pj> gavimobile: you're not authenticating[09:00:01] <pj> !tell gavimobile relay_denied[09:00:02] <knoba> gavimobile: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[09:00:09] <pj> I have to run, will bbl.[09:00:16] <gavimobile> ok thanks[09:01:06] *** tjikkun_work has joined #postfix[09:01:58] <gavimobile> its weird because outlook is checked to auth[09:04:10] *** Bry8Star_ has quit IRC[09:07:08] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[09:13:43] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[09:14:11] *** cyrilz_ has joined #postfix[09:14:11] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:14:20] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[09:16:41] <gavimobile> ok, the reason why its not working is because permit_sasl_authenticated, is not set in recipient restrictions.. I was told yesterday to take this out. maybe since outlook is trying to connect via submission and tls so the server rejects it and therefor the server possibly needs additional settings for submission such as tls?[09:17:51] *** wdp has quit IRC[09:18:33] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[09:24:08] *** IJippw has joined #postfix[09:29:38] *** stemid has joined #postfix[09:30:27] <stemid> general mail question, do any mail clients have support for extra headers that can do something like Reply-to but for the topic? like determining the topic of the reply in the header?[09:32:38] *** bipolar has quit IRC[09:32:39] *** tld has quit IRC[09:32:40] *** _marix has quit IRC[09:32:41] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[09:32:42] *** JC_SoCal has quit IRC[09:32:47] *** Creamz_ has quit IRC[09:32:50] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[09:32:51] *** CybrFyre has quit IRC[09:32:53] *** ikonia has quit IRC[09:32:54] *** waldi has quit IRC[09:32:55] *** f3ew has quit IRC[09:32:55] *** waldi has joined #postfix[09:32:57] *** 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client as anonymous[09:44:49] *** jtrucks has joined #postfix[09:47:53] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[09:54:54] *** UQlev has quit IRC[09:55:48] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[09:58:44] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[10:00:20] <gavimobile> this is my log when permit_sasl_authenticated is enabled and disabled in smtpd_recipient_restrictions http://pastebin.com/DR18TfG0 its rejecting my mail when disabled[10:01:15] *** MaximusColourum_ has quit IRC[10:01:24] <gavimobile> where is rob0[10:02:14] *** ikonia has joined #postfix[10:08:45] *** rmayorga has joined #postfix[10:08:46] *** rmayorga has joined #postfix[10:10:16] *** jra has joined #postfix[10:12:46] *** kradalby_ has joined #postfix[10:13:49] *** danblack has quit IRC[10:15:03] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[10:15:03] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[10:15:33] *** kradalby has quit IRC[10:17:11] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[10:17:11] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[10:18:03] <gavimobile> in this example http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html#lists permit_sasl_authenticated, is listed in the smtpd_recipient_restrictions. why might have I been told not to do this[10:18:49] <Zerberus> gavimobile: your outlook does not AUTH[10:19:19] <gavimobile> Zerberus: thanks for the reply. is this a known issue? or is this your guess?[10:19:54] <gavimobile> my outlook has a check mark next to "my server requires authentication"[10:20:10] <Zerberus> gavimobile: you are still struggling to not allow AUTH on port 25 but to enforce TLS and AUTH on 587?[10:20:50] <Zerberus> in the second case of your pastebin the client AUTHs with LOGIN[10:21:12] <gavimobile> Zerberus: no, I believe I got it working with tls auth on 587[10:21:31] *** trusktr has quit IRC[10:21:44] <gavimobile> the second example of my pastebin is with permit_sasl_authenticated listed in the smtpd_recipient_restrictions[10:21:47] <Zerberus> so what is the issue?[10:22:41] <gavimobile> the issue is that I cannot rely without permit_sasl_authenticated listed in the smtpd_recipient_restrictions[10:22:52] <gavimobile> relay*[10:23:18] <Zerberus> wtf?[10:23:20] <gavimobile> I was told permit_sasl_authenticated should not be listed in the smtpd_recipent_restrictions[10:23:49] <gavimobile> Zerberus: what's not clear? ill try again[10:24:03] <Zerberus> don't relay as an authenticating user through port 25. period. period. perdiod[10:24:20] <gavimobile> im not using port 25[10:24:34] <Zerberus> use only port 587 (submission) for permit_sasl_authenticated[10:24:40] <gavimobile> unless if postfix is doing something which makes it use port 25. my outlook smtp is configured on port 587[10:24:59] <Zerberus> ok, so your pastebin shows it is using AUTH[10:25:03] <Zerberus> solved[10:25:12] <gavimobile> yes -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject[10:25:23] <gavimobile> is listen under submission[10:26:26] <gavimobile> Zerberus: I don't see that in my log that I sent[10:26:42] <gavimobile> I do see however that im getting rejected in the first example[10:26:56] <Zerberus> un 27 10:57:05 server1 postfix/smtpd[12002]: 40456408D5: client=bzq-218-196-30.red.bezeqint.net[81.218.196.30], sasl_method=LOGIN, sasl_username=test at israelhosting dot tk[10:27:52] <gavimobile> Zerberus: that is not a valid output because that was logged for testing purposes[10:28:17] <gavimobile> to prove that It only will work when enabling permit_sasl_authenticated in the smtpd_recipient_restrictions[10:28:21] <gavimobile> but I don't want that[10:29:14] <gavimobile> please ignore the second example in my pastebin and just note the first example[10:29:21] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[10:29:44] <gavimobile> there is a few problems there 1. its an anonymous connection, no idea why 2, ites getting rejected NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from[10:29:57] <gavimobile> Relay access denied;[10:30:09] <Zerberus> gavimobile: please stop here[10:30:16] <gavimobile> stopeed[10:30:22] <Zerberus> anonymous is just the TLS handshake[10:30:48] <Zerberus> I am stopping here too, because I have not so much time for such a simple task[10:31:05] <gavimobile> :-([10:31:24] <gavimobile> if the anonymous connection is alright, so that leaves me left with 1 problem[10:31:34] <gavimobile> which is the problem I was trying to explain[10:31:44] <gavimobile> but I appreciate your time[10:31:55] <gavimobile> and hopefully someone else in the channel can give me a hand[10:32:38] <Zerberus> gavimobile: what is the IP of your Postfix?[10:34:52] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[10:35:09] <Zerberus> AUTH is offered on port 587 on 250-mail.israelhosting.tk, so use a client which can handle that properly[10:36:51] <gavimobile> Zerberus: 54.218.8.125[10:36:55] <gavimobile> sorry went to get coffee[10:37:04] *** sep has joined #postfix[10:37:15] <gavimobile> so outlook is not sufficent?[10:37:26] <gavimobile> that's a first[10:37:31] <Zerberus> !outlook[10:37:31] <knoba> Zerberus: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us[10:37:32] <pj> gavimobile: what you were probably told yesterday was to not set that *globally* (ie, in main.cf) but to just set it on port 587 in master.cf instead.[10:37:47] <pj> and yeah, I was about to give the outlook factoid as well, heh[10:39:05] <Zerberus> outlook might be able to handle this, depends on major version, patchlevel and moonlight[10:39:06] <gavimobile> pj: thanks for the response, under submission in master.cf I have this line. -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject[10:39:13] <jra> is that 'broken_sasl_auth_clients' that advertises with "AUTH<blank>..." still needed for current outlook?[10:39:17] <pj> there ya go[10:39:48] <gavimobile> jra: so I need to disable broken_sasl_clients?[10:40:22] <gavimobile> guess not.. its still rejected when disabling that[10:40:23] <pj> broken_sasl_auth_clients just inserts an additional line into the EHLO response.[10:40:46] <pj> it hasn't been needed for ages, but neither will it break anything.[10:40:55] <pj> gavimobile: stop guessing[10:41:15] <gavimobile> pj: my guess is trying to understand to whom that message was poisted[10:41:17] <gavimobile> posted[10:41:47] <gavimobile> but back to what you said, I didn't understand what you ment by just seting it on port 587 in master.cf. don't I already have that set?[10:41:52] <jra> no idea. make sure it works for, say thunderbird and other clients, and then you check with outlook. if not, use that option and try again. but yeah, not really your concern it seems...[10:42:14] <gavimobile> jra: can't we test with telnet?[10:42:18] <pj> gavimobile: please make up a pastebin with your current postconf -n output, plus current relevant logs, and your master.cf file.[10:42:58] <jra> gavimobile: this is not most certainly not a client issue[10:43:18] <gavimobile> postconf -f http://pastebin.com/9ctYPMnc[10:43:28] <gavimobile> jra: I didn't think so for a minute[10:43:33] <pj> gavimobile: once you've done that I will have a look and we can figure out what your issue is.[10:44:02] <gavimobile> logs http://pastebin.com/iLfQNLwV[10:44:26] <gavimobile> how can I print out master.cf please postconf -M?[10:44:38] <pj> gavimobile: I'm not weeding through all those logs. I gave you the relevant_logs factoid before, please follow it.[10:44:49] <pj> yes, postconf -Mf will be fine.[10:45:08] <gavimobile> apoligies thanks just a sec[10:45:21] <gavimobile> master.cf http://pastebin.com/C785N871[10:45:22] <pj> I tell people master.cf because not everyone is running postfix 2.9+[10:46:24] <gavimobile> relevent logs v[10:46:27] <gavimobile> http://pastebin.com/7x39WHpf[10:46:46] <gavimobile> <- 2.6[10:47:18] *** kiri has joined #postfix[10:47:28] <gavimobile> I mean version 2.9.6[10:47:38] <pj> right, 2.6 doesn't have postconf -Mf[10:47:52] <gavimobile> pj: yea, I've expirenced that yesterday[10:48:06] <gavimobile> luckly was able to retrieve a updated rpm[10:48:09] <gavimobile> for my distro[10:48:12] <pj> at first you give too much, and then you give too little in your logs.[10:48:24] <pj> !relevant_logs[10:48:24] <knoba> pj: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[10:48:55] <pj> at any rate, I do see a problem in your main.cf and master.cf[10:49:35] <pj> your smtpd_recipient_restrictions will be carried through from main.cf for submission because nothing in the submission line overrides it...[10:49:53] <pj> and that will cause the problem you are seeing, at the very least.[10:50:28] <pj> you need to clear that out in master.cf, in fact you should override all of your restrictions there.[10:50:36] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[10:50:36] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[10:51:43] *** jra has quit IRC[10:51:56] <pj> I would change the smtpd_client_restrictions to smtpd_recipient_restrictions in master.cf[10:52:07] <pj> that itself will probably fix your problem.[10:52:20] <gavimobile> pj: wow ok[10:52:26] <gavimobile> ill give that a shot[10:52:37] <gavimobile> I just put it on a line under submission?[10:52:47] <pj> just change the line under submission[10:52:49] <gavimobile> also regarding the logs, that's all that's been outputted since I sent the mail[10:53:04] <pj> there should at least be a connection[10:53:25] <pj> anyways, make that change and we'll go from there.[10:53:29] <pj> there is probably other issues.[10:55:01] <gavimobile> done[10:55:29] <gavimobile> the line in master.cf now says -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject[10:55:29] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[10:55:35] <gavimobile> now to test[10:56:14] <gavimobile> sweet! I can't believe how long it took to solve this[10:56:30] <gavimobile> pj: thanks a whole bunch[10:56:35] <pj> gavimobile: yw[10:56:50] <gavimobile> pj: you have some time for a few more smaller questions?[10:57:07] <pj> probably not, but go ahead and ask anyways.[10:57:16] <gavimobile> well don't mind if I do[10:57:23] <gavimobile> it still says Anonymous TLS connection established from in the logs[10:57:27] <gavimobile> can I just ignore this[10:57:51] <pj> yes, all that means is that you didn't send a client TLS certificate[10:58:01] <pj> so it's an "anonymous" connection[10:58:07] <pj> it's still encrypted[10:58:58] <gavimobile> should I change it so that It should send a client tls certificate? also can this be done from postfix?[11:00:02] <pj> you can configure your email client to send a certificate if you want, but this is usually unnecessary overkill and only needed for a few edge cases (read: not you).[11:00:17] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[11:00:28] <pj> anonymous connections are the norm, there is nothing wrong with them.[11:00:50] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[11:01:59] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[11:02:10] <gavimobile> ok and my last question I hope for now is, where can I get support for postfix with amavisd? here or #amavisd[11:02:30] <pj> that would depend on if the problem is with postfix or amavisd.[11:02:42] <gavimobile> I would assume postfix[11:02:51] <pj> I wouldn't assume anything[11:03:11] <Zerberus> there is AFAIK a mailing list for amavisd-new[11:03:26] <pj> if you have an issue ask about it.[11:03:43] <gavimobile> this line in my main.cf content_filter=amavisfeed:[127.0.0.1]:10024 shows that my server name is 127.0.0.1 when looking in my mail headers[11:04:11] <gavimobile> what can I put inplace of 127.0.0.1? when I ping my hostname I get my external ip[11:04:17] <pj> ummmmm, prove that said headers get their info from that line.[11:04:29] <gavimobile> ill make a pastebin[11:04:35] <pj> yes, please do[11:05:54] *** danblack has joined #postfix[11:05:55] *** sven_oostenbrink has quit IRC[11:06:03] <gavimobile> http://pastebin.com/vkrEz6ge[11:06:18] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[11:06:18] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[11:06:23] <gavimobile> now I can comment the line and show you how it looks if it would help[11:06:31] *** jimpop has quit IRC[11:06:35] <pj> which line are you referring to?[11:06:40] <gavimobile> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])[11:06:44] <gavimobile> Received: from mail.israelhosting.tk ([127.0.0.1])[11:06:50] <gavimobile> server1.israelhosting.tk [127.0.0.1][11:06:54] <pj> what line #[11:07:09] <gavimobile> 5, 9,[11:07:12] <pj> pick one, please[11:07:20] <gavimobile> 10[11:07:30] <gavimobile> any one of them, lets start with 5[11:07:43] <pj> ok, 5 is the re-injection from amavisd to postfix[11:08:03] <pj> and it does so on localhost, would you have the header lie about that?[11:08:32] <pj> or more to the point should postfix lie about that?[11:08:36] <gavimobile> I guess not. I've been told before just to leave it alone. but it looks messy[11:08:43] <pj> leave it alone[11:09:03] <pj> those headers provide valuable troubleshooting info, they need to be correct, they don't need to look pretty.[11:09:13] <gavimobile> ok, and if I comment the line than amavisd won't do its job, right[11:09:21] <pj> and most people will never see those headers anyways.[11:09:28] <pj> right.[11:09:32] <gavimobile> pj: it won't make me loose points in spam?[11:09:49] <pj> gavimobile: only on a badly configured host.[11:09:58] <gavimobile> pj: I understand[11:10:00] <pj> ie a wrongly configured host.[11:10:01] <gavimobile> wow! pj thanks again[11:10:04] <pj> yw[11:10:09] <gavimobile> you were very helpful![11:13:46] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[11:13:46] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[11:28:59] *** JC_SoCal has joined #postfix[11:31:07] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[11:32:19] *** tld has joined #postfix[11:32:36] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[11:49:26] *** gavimobile has quit IRC[12:30:21] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[12:52:01] *** jarif has joined #postfix[13:01:10] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:13:01] *** terr1 has quit IRC[13:13:32] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[13:14:12] *** terr1 has joined #postfix[13:21:31] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[13:22:47] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[13:22:53] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[13:24:21] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[13:30:35] *** Fluke has quit IRC[13:33:59] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[13:37:22] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[13:43:54] *** wald00 has quit IRC[13:53:43] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[13:57:38] *** soa2ii has left #postfix[14:01:40] *** tharkun has quit IRC[14:01:49] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[14:02:25] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:06:04] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:08:49] *** snearch has joined #postfix[14:17:24] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[14:19:23] *** grknight has joined #postfix[14:33:04] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[14:44:36] *** schrodinger has quit IRC[14:44:50] *** schrodinger has joined #postfix[14:48:47] *** Uninstall_ has quit IRC[14:48:50] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[14:50:29] *** Borg has quit IRC[14:50:39] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[14:50:39] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[14:51:37] *** tomocha66 has quit IRC[14:54:06] *** Borg has joined #postfix[14:54:08] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[15:00:22] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[15:05:42] *** danblack has quit IRC[15:07:29] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[15:09:01] *** wald00 has quit IRC[15:10:07] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[15:11:14] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:14:07] *** UQlev has quit IRC[15:53:40] *** BeepDog has left #postfix[15:56:02] *** sgo11 has joined #postfix[15:57:49] <sgo11> hi, two newbie question. (1) I use files to store emails with setting virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail, Maildir/ format. does this have good performance compared to mysql storage? Users will eventually store more than 3GB mails. thanks.[15:58:23] <lunaphyte_> yes[15:58:50] <lunaphyte_> as it turns out, the filesystem happens to be an extremely effective database, especially for storing arbitrary data like email[15:59:45] <sgo11> lunaphyte, thanks a lot for your quick reply. I will remain files storage for my postfix. :)[16:00:15] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:48] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:01:09] <sgo11> (2) I received a "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" mail. can I modify this auto mail messsage/body? I would like to change or delete the host name mentioned in the email and give a proper postmaster email address. thanks.[16:03:45] *** Yahia has joined #postfix[16:05:59] <patdk-wk_> dunno why people think filesystems are horrible[16:06:17] <patdk-wk_> probably cause they will throw 64gigs of ram at the database server, and 2gigs at the fileserver[16:08:57] <sgo11> if no answer to (2), maybe another question. (3) I need to implement a web interface for the mail server. Are there any existing open source projects which can read Maildir/ format email and provide a web interface for reading and sending emails? I found roundcube project. it's good. but I think it will store own copies of emails, that will double my disk space. I would like a web interface reads emails d[16:08:57] <sgo11> irectly from /home/vmail/domain/. thanks.[16:09:08] *** felipe` has joined #postfix[16:09:16] <patdk-wk_> that is not a good idea[16:09:38] <patdk-wk_> you defently need to understand how mail works[16:09:51] <patdk-wk_> that statement shows you have no clue how roundcube or mail works at all[16:10:13] <patdk-wk_> reading mails directly is the most horrible thing ever[16:10:27] *** chrisq has quit IRC[16:10:30] <lunaphyte_> why would you need a web interface to read Maildir directly? that's silly[16:10:48] * patdk-wk_ notes, openwebmail[16:10:49] <lunaphyte_> aren't you running an iimap server?[16:10:55] <lunaphyte_> *imap[16:11:00] *** [dmp] has quit IRC[16:11:18] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[16:11:37] *** [dmp] has joined #postfix[16:11:37] *** [dmp] has joined #postfix[16:11:53] <sgo11> lunaphyte, yeah, I am running imap. I think i can use roundcube and imap protocols. but I thought roundcube will eventually download those emails to its database, no?[16:12:03] <Dominian> no[16:12:11] <Dominian> roundcube is nothing more than an email client[16:12:53] <patdk-wk_> roundcube has a database?[16:13:01] <sgo11> Dominian, but normally an email client will download the entire email body to local.[16:13:12] <patdk-wk_> sgo11, not true[16:13:33] <patdk-wk_> that is an optional thing for an mail client to support for imap, to increase local speed[16:13:47] <patdk-wk_> is there going be any speed increase for roundcube to locally download the emails?[16:13:49] <sgo11> patdk-wk_, yeah, roundcube supports mysql, sqlite etc.. I am not sure what it used for. maybe simply some meta data, not email body.[16:14:26] <patdk-wk_> the only webmail program I know that will download emails, is imp[16:14:44] <sgo11> hm.. ok, I think i got the answer. roundcube will not download any emails. that's good. I will use it. ^_^[16:16:18] <sgo11> what about the second question? no way to modify the auto reply message? no template file or something? hardcoded in postfix core?[16:16:50] <patdk-wk_> autoreply?[16:16:53] <patdk-wk_> what is an autoreply?[16:17:22] <sgo11> patdk-wk_, sorry about my english. the email with subject "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender"[16:17:32] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:17:52] <patdk-wk_> this are emails to your users only right? cause you should never bounce email[16:18:25] <patdk-wk_> !bounce_template_file[16:18:25] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "bounce_template_file" : Pathname of a configuration file with bounce message templates. These override the built-in templates of delivery status notification (DSN) messages for undeliverable mail, for delayed mail, successful delivery, or delivery verification. The bounce(5) manual page describes how to edit and test template files.[16:20:31] <sgo11> patdk-wk_, reading the man page. thanks a lot.[16:21:03] <sgo11> thank you all for all the answers! very helpful. thanks![16:21:55] <patdk-wk_> post it on the board, another rare praise[16:22:58] <sgo11> ^_^[16:26:27] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[16:26:37] <sgo11> PS: are there any open source js/nodejs projects which are similar to roundcube? I don't really like php. but so far, roundcube is the best one I can find so far. and all projects I found are in php. thanks.[16:28:13] <patdk-wk_> I hadn't realized I was in #nodejs[16:28:32] <thumbs> patdk-wk_: we fooled you[16:28:44] * patdk-wk_ has no clue what nodejs is[16:29:14] <patdk-wk_> php isn't webscale[16:29:18] <patdk-wk_> someone inform facebook[16:29:36] <thumbs> well, hiphop is.[16:30:02] <patdk-wk_> now your just making fun of the easterbunny[16:30:09] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:30:24] <thumbs> seriously, their php stack is heavily optimized.[16:30:48] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:31:36] <patdk-wk_> no use for me[16:31:42] <patdk-wk_> rarely is anything stuck in php[16:31:48] <patdk-wk_> normally it's stuck waiting on db[16:32:00] <patdk-wk_> stuck waiting in imap[16:32:07] <sgo11> I consider js/nodejs, python/django or ruby/ror are better than php. anyway. :)[16:32:28] <patdk-wk_> I consider asm better than all[16:32:34] <patdk-wk_> but not 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"virtual_alias_maps = hash:/srv/mail/aliases.map", which referes to a `postmap`ed .db. AFAICT this bit is working fine(it isn't complaining about aliases.map.db not existing, and `postmap -q foo.com` comes back with "bar.com")[18:52:33] *** d00 has joined #postfix[18:53:08] <EugeneKay> Buuut, mail for user at foo dot com is bouncing with "Relay access denied". I get the idea that I have the wrong left/right-side lookup format in my aliases.map[18:53:27] <Dominian> !relay_denied[18:53:27] <knoba> Dominian: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[18:54:11] <EugeneKay> foo.com is a valid domain; I get mail just fine for user at foo dot com[18:54:17] <EugeneKay> Er, bar.com*[18:54:26] *** ghoti has quit IRC[18:54:30] <EugeneKay> I'm trying to get * at foo dot com --> bar.com tho.[18:55:28] *** ghoti has joined #postfix[18:55:55] <Dominian> Well, can you show us your postconf -n[18:56:01] <Dominian> as the /topic ass for :)[18:56:03] <Dominian> er.. asks[18:56:11] <EugeneKay> Sure, sec.[18:56:54] <patdk-wk_> heh?[18:57:01] <patdk-wk_> relay access denied != user not found[18:57:05] <EugeneKay> https://gist.github.com/EugeneKay/1b190c1f00124b29f42e[18:57:11] <Dominian> Jun 27 16:53 < EugeneKay> Buuut, mail for user at foo dot com is bouncing with "Relay access denied". I get the idea that I have the wrong left/right-side lookup format in my aliases.map[18:57:32] <rob0> You seem to be missing what the function and format of virtual_alias_maps is, as well[18:57:39] <EugeneKay> Probably.[18:57:46] <Dominian> !virtual_alias_maps[18:57:46] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[18:58:02] <rob0> that's documented in virtual(5). But the relay access is a different matter.[18:58:55] <EugeneKay> virtual(5) says that this is the expected error message if I have the entry wrong[18:59:45] <EugeneKay> I originally though virtual_alias_domains was where I wanted this lookup(foo.com-->bar.com), but that says that it ignores the right-side of the lookup completely.[19:00:36] *** ghoti has quit IRC[19:00:43] <EugeneKay> Oh wait.... "When the result has the form @otherdomain, the result becomes the same user in otherdomain."[19:01:14] <rob0> eww, you're trying to do a domain alias/catchall?[19:01:31] *** ghoti has joined #postfix[19:02:00] <EugeneKay> No, alias foo.com to bar.com[19:02:21] <EugeneKay> Akin to a HTTP redirect to the same page, but with the "right" domain.[19:02:29] <rob0> well, grr[19:02:31] <rob0> !example[19:02:31] <knoba> rob0: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.[19:02:45] *** YahiaKandeel has joined #postfix[19:02:54] <Aprogas> SMTP doesn't have a redirect the way HTTP does.[19:03:07] <rob0> Twenty-teen gazillion people post on the mailing list wanting to do the same thing, and they're all told no, don't do it.[19:03:32] <Aprogas> I do it with my SQL-backed virtual aliases, in a way that isn't a catch-all.[19:03:37] <rob0> The right way is to generate maps for example.com that duplicate all the addresses in example.net[19:04:00] <EugeneKay> Which is what I'm doing in MySQL, but that gets tedious for many aliased domains.[19:04:09] <rob0> it can be easy in SQL, yes[19:04:11] <Aprogas> I have a table domain_clones which contains mappings of id's from virtual_domains that really should be considered the same domain as another id in virtual_domains.[19:04:21] <Aprogas> But that's just one way of doing it.[19:04:48] *** Yahia has quit IRC[19:06:51] <EugeneKay> Hm.[19:07:06] *** YahiaKandeel has quit IRC[19:07:45] <EugeneKay> I guess I /could/ instead import my .map into sqlite and then do the same thing I've been doing with MySQL.[19:10:59] <rob0> yep, sqlite is wonderful, but be sure you have a recent Postfix version *cough* no-centos/rhel *cough*[19:11:11] *** Yahia has joined #postfix[19:11:15] <rob0> (Debian too probably)[19:11:26] <EugeneKay> 2.6.6[19:11:47] <rob0> sqlite was introduced with 2.8 and had a serious bug until 2.8.9[19:12:06] <rob0> rpmbuild time[19:12:08] * EugeneKay sighs[19:12:29] *** d00 has quit IRC[19:12:31] <rob0> or complain to Red Hat if you're a paying customer[19:12:50] <EugeneKay> Scientific Linux :-p[19:13:15] <rob0> rpmbuild :)[19:13:28] <EugeneKay> I always feel dirty after touching that[19:17:06] *** d00 has joined #postfix[19:18:10] <EugeneKay> Eh, I'll just import to MySQL and call it a day.[19:18:23] <EugeneKay> At least I'll get SOME of this out into plaintext(and thus, git)[19:24:28] <rob0> not just a day ... a HOT day[19:25:13] <rob0> when the going gets hot, the rob0 goes to the swimming hole[19:25:32] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[19:28:09] <Aprogas> rob0: My work has systems with Postfix 2.3.3[19:29:49] <rob0> but none of those have sqlite support :)[19:30:36] <Aprogas> They're just beign used as nullmailers I think.[19:32:07] *** Yahia has quit IRC[19:39:46] *** d00 has quit IRC[19:40:21] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[19:48:26] *** ced117 has quit IRC[20:03:46] *** resno has joined #postfix[20:05:26] <resno> heres what i want to do. i want server to send an email to test at example dot com. it will see the alias test@example and forward it to the appropirate folks.[20:06:19] *** mibofra has quit IRC[20:07:32] <resno> im essentially trying to use the alias like a mailing list. where the app only allows 1 address[20:07:53] <adaptr> what "app" ?[20:08:10] <resno> its forum software we have manipulated beyond belif[20:08:16] <resno> vbulletin[20:08:54] <adaptr> why does postfix care what the app allows ?[20:09:01] <resno> it oesnt[20:09:04] <resno> doesnt*[20:09:16] <resno> trying to explain the scenario a bit[20:09:19] <adaptr> you just said so[20:09:33] *** rmayorga has quit IRC[20:09:38] <adaptr> mail SOURCE, mail DESTINATION, what needs to happen to it. keep it simple.[20:10:02] <resno> keeping it simple is always best[20:10:18] <resno> thanks adaptr[20:11:29] <adaptr> configure vbulletin to submit mail like a normal client. only associate one sender with the account. then you can alias the mail to somewhere, regardless of the recipient[20:12:26] *** reddog1 has quit IRC[20:12:29] <resno> it is default action for postfix to look at the aliases and send to those address?[20:13:05] <resno> i believe its currently just sending the messages to that 1 account instead of multiples[20:13:53] *** jgmdev has joined #postfix[20:16:01] *** sbaugh has left #postfix[20:28:24] *** Borg has quit IRC[20:29:29] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[20:33:26] *** Borg has joined 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