June 24, 2013 
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June 24, 2013 [00:01:43] *** grossing has joined #postfix[00:01:49] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[00:01:53] *** diabel has quit IRC[00:02:11] *** diabel has joined #postfix[00:03:11] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[00:15:48] *** AgileNetworks2 has joined #postfix[00:17:25] *** AgileNetworks has quit IRC[00:23:05] *** junixbr has joined #postfix[00:24:12] <adaptr> delivery temporarily suspended: host mx3.mail.yahoo.co.jp[183.79.57.237] refused to talk to me: 553 Mail from 178.79.186.245 not allowed[00:24:36] <adaptr> hadifarnoud: how, exactly, did you determine there was a problem ?[00:24:56] * thumbs wags a wag[00:25:10] <hadifarnoud> adaptr: I've got a spam abuse alert[00:25:18] <adaptr> I have no idea what that means[00:25:49] <hadifarnoud> my hosting provider told me the received a report that my server is sending spam[00:25:56] <hadifarnoud> they*[00:26:13] <adaptr> did they provide any actual evidence ?[00:26:29] <adaptr> did they tell yo uwhat data they based their claim on ?[00:27:20] <adaptr> note that "my hosting provider told me that THEY received a report" does not speak well for either their knowledgability or the reports veracity[00:27:50] <adaptr> a clueful network admin would be the one to tell YOU[00:31:08] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[00:34:42] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[00:35:05] <hadifarnoud> adaptr: yes. http://blacklist.woody.ch/rblevidence.php?id=19797207[00:38:34] *** grknight has joined #postfix[00:44:51] <adaptr> Those headers are incomplete[00:44:54] <adaptr> with SMTP id r5N9eFqB005754[00:45:01] <adaptr> search for that header in your mail log[00:45:08] <adaptr> *for that queue-id[00:49:23] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[00:50:37] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[00:51:43] <hadifarnoud> adaptr: I deleted my mail queue[00:52:12] <hadifarnoud> my server is super slow. I don't know what's happening anymore[00:54:05] <hadifarnoud> I don't know why a php process have UDP connections https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/1fd221eaae01a7e084ec[00:58:37] <adaptr> search your mail *log* for that queue-id[00:59:48] <adaptr> hadifarnoud: you're flailing uselessly. unless you provide the information we ask for, we really can't help you[01:00:16] <hadifarnoud> adaptr: next time I ask here first.[01:10:16] *** dragonheart is now known as danblack[01:54:04] *** Kellin has quit IRC[02:17:10] *** zhb has joined #postfix[02:46:33] *** Ulver has joined #postfix[02:50:13] *** junixbr has quit IRC[02:57:11] *** zhb has quit IRC[03:09:35] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[03:14:51] *** amboss has quit IRC[03:27:25] *** jimpop has quit IRC[03:27:40] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[03:30:03] *** danblack has quit IRC[03:33:27] *** danblack has joined #postfix[04:11:35] *** grknight has quit IRC[04:16:19] <jeev> time toooooooooo set up stupid exchangeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee[04:19:46] <Corey> Lovely![04:25:29] *** nutron has quit IRC[04:33:49] *** sphenxes02 has joined #postfix[04:35:42] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[04:38:51] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[04:40:51] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[04:41:28] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[04:41:49] *** sphenxes02 has quit IRC[04:42:06] *** danblack has quit IRC[04:42:32] <jeev> Corey, it's good $ /monthly for nothing..[04:43:14] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[04:49:05] *** jarif has joined #postfix[04:56:38] *** danblack has joined #postfix[04:57:00] *** danblack has joined #postfix[04:58:15] *** jarif has quit IRC[05:02:31] *** jarif has joined #postfix[05:04:38] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[05:05:29] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[05:06:03] *** jarif_ has joined #postfix[05:07:50] *** jarif has quit IRC[05:32:38] *** bolt has quit IRC[05:36:58] *** jarif_ has quit IRC[05:40:31] *** Borg has joined #postfix[05:44:23] *** hadifarnoud has quit IRC[06:00:31] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[06:00:52] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[06:07:01] <tharkun> I'm sitting in front of a "system" that has a central mx server that recieves the mail for various offices. The strange thing is that it uses transport maps to deliver them to the different mailstores on each office. Each office has also a mailtransport to the central hub for all the users not on that particular office. The curious thing is that it works.[06:08:43] <tharkun> They all share the same domain, How can this be simplified to avoid this maintenance nightmare?[06:39:16] *** biggimat has joined #postfix[07:31:04] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[07:31:04] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[07:51:52] *** Borg has quit IRC[07:55:33] *** Borg has joined #postfix[08:03:37] *** bolt has joined #postfix[08:11:39] *** danblack has quit IRC[08:11:40] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[08:25:17] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[08:32:01] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[08:32:55] *** danblack has joined #postfix[08:32:55] *** jarif_ has joined #postfix[08:34:42] *** hurtigbuffer has joined #postfix[08:42:46] *** tld has joined #postfix[08:44:04] *** hurtigbuffer is now known as jelly-home[08:53:40] *** diabel has quit IRC[08:58:32] *** diabel has joined #postfix[09:04:52] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:09:39] *** tjikkun_work has joined #postfix[09:10:57] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[09:14:19] *** cromag has quit IRC[09:17:56] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[09:19:52] *** cromag has joined #postfix[09:19:52] *** cromag has joined #postfix[09:22:53] *** sep has quit IRC[09:23:19] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[09:23:19] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[09:25:28] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[09:25:43] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[09:27:12] *** hurtigbuffer has joined #postfix[09:28:24] *** hurtigbuffer is now known as jelly-home[09:33:01] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[09:33:12] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[09:37:02] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:37:03] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:45:33] *** sep has joined #postfix[09:45:36] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:51:14] *** ccxCZ has quit IRC[10:01:52] <Fonzie> Is there possible to make sa-learn --spam override sa-learn --ham ?[10:07:28] <pj> Fonzie: that is not a postfix question.[10:07:50] *** jelly-home has quit IRC[10:09:19] *** hurtigbuffer has joined #postfix[10:10:15] *** hurtigbuffer is now known as jelly-home[10:27:26] *** ankso has joined #postfix[10:28:30] <ankso> hello, i just installed postfix through this article: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix the thing is that i have a big question before starting playing with other things inside postfix. What is the better for postfix (Serious) server to run it in a chroot environment or not?[10:28:56] <ankso> i will use this server as a relay server that runs the anti-spam and antivirus for the behind servers.[10:31:07] *** digitalirony has quit IRC[10:31:47] *** cetanu has joined #postfix[10:41:16] *** hays has joined #postfix[10:42:31] *** hays_ has quit IRC[10:47:41] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[10:58:59] <jelly> if postfix is the only service to be run, chroot can be more a nuisance than real help[11:00:16] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[11:00:49] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[11:00:49] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[11:02:07] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[11:10:00] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[11:12:04] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[11:14:22] *** koobs has quit IRC[11:32:23] *** s0ber has quit IRC[11:34:29] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[11:46:31] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[11:55:35] *** koobs has joined #postfix[12:01:04] *** Guest02377-50092 has joined #postfix[12:03:31] *** internat has quit IRC[12:04:49] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[12:09:09] *** danblack has quit IRC[12:12:43] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[12:15:00] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[12:17:33] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[12:23:46] *** tabakhase has quit IRC[12:33:12] *** schnuffle has joined #postfix[12:36:19] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[12:37:38] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[12:46:10] *** koobs- has joined #postfix[12:46:15] *** koobs- has joined #postfix[12:46:54] *** p3rror has quit IRC[12:47:13] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[12:47:29] *** koobs has quit IRC[12:50:11] *** koobs- is now known as koobs[13:01:15] *** danblack has joined #postfix[13:07:15] *** gavimobile has joined #postfix[13:07:37] <gavimobile> is there a difference between smtp_tls_session_cache_database && smtpd_tls_session_cache_database ?[13:07:39] <gavimobile> note the d[13:08:04] <pj> !tell gavimobile smtp!=smtpd[13:08:05] <knoba> gavimobile: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)[13:08:31] <gavimobile> thanks pj[13:08:35] <pj> yw[13:10:45] *** jumperboy has quit IRC[13:16:52] *** pajamian has joined #postfix[13:18:06] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[13:19:39] *** pj has quit IRC[13:21:19] *** pajamian is now known as pj[13:33:05] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[13:33:36] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[13:42:55] *** jumperboy has joined #postfix[13:42:56] *** jumperboy has joined #postfix[13:51:10] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[14:04:15] *** cetanu has quit IRC[14:19:36] *** danblack has quit IRC[14:24:36] *** luis_alen has joined #postfix[14:31:14] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:34:14] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[14:35:45] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[14:39:19] *** grknight has joined #postfix[14:46:36] *** mr_daniel has joined #postfix[14:48:04] <mr_daniel> I am currently running two postfix mail servers, one main smarthost and another backup smarthost. Both are specified with MX resource recors and prioritiy 10 and 20.[14:48:22] <mr_daniel> Now I wonder if it is really necessary to have two mailservers, main smarthost and backup smarthost, these days.[14:48:48] <mr_daniel> E.g. do I need two mail servers so that my mailserver is considered a trusted machine and not sending spam?[14:49:38] <lunaphyte_> backup mailservers are silly, yes.[14:49:47] <mr_daniel> I ask, because I know that if another mailserver tries to send an email to my mailserver, but my mailserver is down for 30 minutes, the other mailsserver will retry to send the email some minutes later[14:49:48] <lunaphyte_> multiple mailservers aren't necessarily silly though[14:50:09] <lunaphyte_> what exactly do you mean by "smarthost" though?[14:50:37] <mr_daniel> isn't smarthost the term used for mail servers that are responsible sending and receiving mails?[14:51:02] <lunaphyte_> that is a made up sendmail term that means something explicit in the world of sendmail. it's sort of been misappropriated into the larger world of email though.[14:51:17] <lunaphyte_> *all* mail servers are responsible for sending and receiving email :)[14:51:35] <jelly> mr_daniel: unless you absolutely require high availability, I guess you do not need multiple MX servers[14:51:53] <lunaphyte_> we're talking about mxes?[14:52:05] <jelly> <mr_daniel> I am currently running two postfix mail servers, one main smarthost and another backup smarthost. Both are specified with MX resource recors and prioritiy 10 and 20.[14:52:06] <lunaphyte_> that would defintely not be a smarthost then[14:52:19] <lunaphyte_> yeah, that's why i'm a bit confused[14:52:29] <jelly> I ignored "smarthost" and accepted "MX" as valid.[14:52:33] <lunaphyte_> :)[14:52:42] <lunaphyte_> probably what i should have done[14:53:03] <mr_daniel> besides smarthost there is another term called "satellite"; a satellite is only responsible for adopt local mails from locally run programs and forwards them to a "general" mailserver.[14:53:18] <mr_daniel> so is the term "satellite" also a sendmail specific term that is not used in the postfix world?[14:53:25] <lunaphyte_> yeah, that's just more broken terminology :)[14:53:29] <lunaphyte_> not sendmail though, no.[14:53:35] <mr_daniel> well, ok learned something new today :)[14:53:52] * jelly blames _luna_phyte_ for the moonless nights[14:54:05] <lunaphyte_> the proper term for "satellite" would probably be "null client", just based on your quick description.[14:54:28] <mr_daniel> ok[14:54:32] <lunaphyte_> satellite is just a bit ambiguous, that's all.[14:55:52] <lunaphyte_> and extrapolating a bit from the conversation so far, msa would be the universal term for sendmail's "smarthost" [assuming we're talking about what i imagine we're talking about][14:56:26] * patdk-wk_ wonders why it's a *smart host*[14:56:31] <patdk-wk_> it's normally just a dumb relay[14:56:42] <lunaphyte_> yeah, that term has been a pet peeve of mine anyway :)[14:59:11] *** Fonzie has quit IRC[15:08:34] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:13:45] *** GieltjE has joined #postfix[15:20:50] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[15:23:13] *** Gm4n has quit IRC[15:25:12] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[15:25:16] *** Gm4n has joined #postfix[15:28:35] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[15:32:13] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[15:33:47] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[15:47:48] *** RayS has joined #postfix[15:48:10] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:57:37] *** jarif_ has quit IRC[15:58:56] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[16:00:08] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:00:08] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[16:00:09] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[16:00:33] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:16:17] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:29:20] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:29:44] *** Blinkiz has joined #postfix[16:30:07] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[16:30:33] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[16:30:47] *** pajamian has joined #postfix[16:31:04] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:31:13] <Blinkiz> Hello. I need help why my RBL is triggered when the email is sent to a email address that does not exist. It seems like the reject_unlisted_recipient should failed earlier in the chain. http://pastebin.com/C55mZ5AZ[16:31:47] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:32:31] *** Phoenixz has quit IRC[16:32:46] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[16:33:15] *** pj has quit IRC[16:33:30] <Dominian> Do you have a log that demonstrates the issue?[16:33:33] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:34:09] <Dominian> What version of postfix are you using?[16:34:21] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:35:33] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[16:36:07] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:36:50] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:37:46] <Blinkiz> Dominian, Sure, here is examples. These to addresses does not exist. http://pastebin.com/vzfSrBWn[16:38:20] <Blinkiz> Dominian, Am using Postfix 2.7.0[16:38:22] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:39:07] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:39:22] *** kradalby_ has joined #postfix[16:39:35] <Dominian> Blinkiz: can you pastebin postconf -n please[16:40:39] <Blinkiz> Dominian, Hmm, okay, I sent is as a private message to you, I do not want it public. Please wait[16:40:54] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:41:05] *** Phoenixz has quit IRC[16:41:37] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:42:28] <Dominian> by default postfix should reject email going to non existent users.. so trying to see if you have something else going on causing it to ignore that fact.. which it is probably staring me in the face and I Just can't see it...y et[16:42:31] *** kradalby has quit IRC[16:42:51] * patdk-wk_ can't see it[16:43:30] <Blinkiz> Dominian, Really ugly formatting but there is postconf -n. I sent is as a private message to you[16:44:48] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[16:46:01] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:46:56] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[16:47:06] *** m1nish has joined #postfix[16:47:08] <Dominian> yeah I'm not seeing anyhing obvious.[16:49:29] *** schnuffle has quit IRC[16:49:35] *** jarif has joined #postfix[16:50:40] <Blinkiz> Dominian, Sent you another priv mess[16:51:05] <lunaphyte_> um, if you're going to have a private support session, please stop spamming the channel[16:51:26] * patdk-wk_ still doesn't see anything either[16:52:17] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[16:52:41] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, you are right. I need help from more people. Let me edit my main.cf a bit so I can paste it public.[16:53:00] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[16:53:18] <lunaphyte_> logs are first. i don't see those[16:55:23] <Blinkiz> sure, I will fix, please wait[16:59:18] <Blinkiz> I have the problem that I see a log of RBL blocks on email addresses that does not exist in my domain example.com. http://pastebin.com/Xm7uJRvj . I do not know what I have configured wrong, here is my main.cf file: http://pastebin.com/hVA4fkP2[16:59:30] <Blinkiz> log = lot[17:00:41] <Dominian> Yeah, I dunno Blinkiz .. lunaphyte_ might have better insight than I.[17:01:18] *** GieltjE has quit IRC[17:01:45] <Blinkiz> I would like the incoming email to fail earlier so I do not load the RBL[17:02:30] <lunaphyte_> Blinkiz: please read the /topic and just do as it instructs. then we will help.[17:02:41] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, okay, will do. please wait[17:03:14] <Blinkiz> !debug[17:03:14] <knoba> Blinkiz: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[17:04:31] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:04:43] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[17:08:10] <patdk-wk_> heh?[17:08:12] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, It seems like you asking for postconf -n, here it is http://pastebin.com/yPw7q1TV[17:08:19] <patdk-wk_> isn't putting mydestination in relay_domains screwing it up?[17:08:39] <lunaphyte_> yikes.[17:08:52] <Blinkiz> patdk-wk_, you found the error? :)[17:08:55] <lunaphyte_> yeah, you certainly don't want $relay_domains in mydestination. that's silly.[17:09:04] <lunaphyte_> there are lots of problem with that config, just at a quick glance[17:09:10] <lunaphyte_> *problems[17:09:14] <Blinkiz> Let me remove it, please wait[17:09:31] <patdk-wk_> ya, relay_domains means relay everything, right? not just valid email addresses for that domain[17:09:35] <patdk-wk_> !relay_domains[17:09:35] <knoba> patdk-wk_: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes[17:09:43] <lunaphyte_> no, not everything[17:09:52] <lunaphyte_> !relay_recipient_maps[17:09:52] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "relay_recipient_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $relay_domains. Specify @domain as a wild-card for domains that do not have a valid recipient list.[17:09:53] <patdk-wk_> ah[17:10:19] <Blinkiz> I have removed mydestination from relay_domains. Still the same error[17:10:25] <lunaphyte_> you use relay_domains if you're just delivering mail to some other server [e.g. like exchange or dovecot][17:10:28] <patdk-wk_> ya, been a few years since I had to touch my mail servers that use relay_*[17:10:45] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, Yes, I do deliver to other servers, nothing is delivered localhost[17:10:59] <lunaphyte_> then you'd not use mydestination period[17:11:10] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, ok, understood, it has been removed[17:12:08] <lunaphyte_> next get rid of all of the nunnecesary duplicate settings[17:12:15] <lunaphyte_> !tell Blinkiz duplicates[17:12:15] <knoba> Blinkiz: "duplicates" : the following can be used to list redundant settings defined in main.cf: (postconf -d; postconf -n) | sort | uniq -d - also see !compare[17:12:48] <Blinkiz> aa. nice one liner, fixing...[17:15:22] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, now duplicates are gone[17:15:28] <lunaphyte_> new pastebin[17:15:36] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, postconf -n or main.cf?[17:15:46] *** kradalby has joined #postfix[17:15:49] <lunaphyte_> /topic :)[17:15:57] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, okay, understood, please wait[17:18:57] *** kradalby_ has quit IRC[17:19:04] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, here is the new one: http://pastebin.com/index/yPw7q1TV[17:20:22] <Blinkiz> $mydestination is still in relay_domains.. Did I not remove that one.. hmm[17:20:39] <Blinkiz> Yes I have, added somehow anyway.. Hmm[17:20:40] <lunaphyte_> you still have unnecessary duplicates[17:20:49] <lunaphyte_> ack. grr.[17:20:49] *** lunaphyte_ has left #postfix[17:20:53] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[17:25:17] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, you say I have duplicates, I can not see that. Can you please give me some pointers?[17:25:54] <lunaphyte_> pastebin input and output of your !duplicates command[17:26:41] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, sure, here is is: http://pastebin.com/eXzXNTWc[17:27:38] <lunaphyte_> hmm[17:31:31] <rob0> What is the actual question here? AIUI, it's "why is Zen rejecting unknown recipients?"[17:32:00] *** {pj}^A__ has joined #postfix[17:32:46] <Blinkiz> I have the problem that I see a lot of RBL blocks on email addresses that does not exist in my domain example.com. http://pastebin.com/Xm7uJRvj . It is almost one block per second some times per day.[17:33:30] <Blinkiz> Well, example.com.. It is a bunch of domains but I use example.com to keep my customers privacy.[17:33:47] <Blinkiz> It is called something else and is bunch of them[17:34:59] *** pajamian has quit IRC[17:36:19] <rob0> so that is a "yes"?[17:36:39] <Blinkiz> rob0, oh, sorry. Yes, that is correct :)[17:37:36] <rob0> We're not in a position to say, then. Maybe your relay_recipient_maps are not quite right, maybe returning a catchall.[17:37:43] <rob0> !postmapq[17:37:44] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.[17:37:53] <Blinkiz> rob0, okay[17:38:42] *** SuperNull has joined #postfix[17:38:53] <rob0> I'd suggest consolidation of your relay_recipient_maps and relay_domains and transport_maps into a single lookup. A Makefile might facilitate this for you.[17:39:00] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[17:39:09] <SuperNull> guys i need help stopping back-scatter.. any one have some suggested urls (using virtual maps) ?[17:39:36] <Blinkiz> rob0, good suggestion. Thing is that a script is created one config file for each customer I set up. That is why I have a lot of files[17:39:58] <rob0> Backscatter that you SEND or receive? Don't be ambiguous.[17:41:52] <rob0> yes, one file per customer makes sense, but still. Postfix would do better and be simpler with those consolidated into single lookups. Maybe a "make domains" and a "make recipients" and a "make transports". I think this has an example:[17:41:58] <rob0> !database[17:41:58] <knoba> rob0: "database" : http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html provides an overview of how Postfix lookup tables work, and the various types that are implemented.[17:42:40] <rob0> DATABASE_README.html#safe_db[17:47:43] <Blinkiz> rob0, I should probably place everything in database instead becomes it has become it is now days a lot of domains and emails.[17:47:59] *** huma has joined #postfix[17:48:20] <Blinkiz> rob0, I have discovered as you said, I accept emails for everything. So basically am currently a backscatter problem.[17:48:37] <Blinkiz> everything on my domains... not... everything[17:49:05] <Blinkiz> I need to look into this matter, something has changed since I installed this 2 years ago[17:50:10] <Blinkiz> Well, I need to stop working now. My spelling is bad and my colleagues left 2 hours ago, not a good sign[17:52:23] *** Driver has quit IRC[17:55:28] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[17:55:48] *** Blinkiz has quit IRC[17:56:27] <SuperNull> rob0 sorry, uh back scatter due to our incoming server denying it due to recipient rejection .. honestly wouldnt even care if recipient rejection bouncing was off.[17:56:48] *** Toerkeium has quit IRC[17:57:04] <lunaphyte_> huh "back scatter due to our incoming server denying it due to recipient rejection"?[17:57:09] <lunaphyte_> that's not backscatter[17:57:37] <lunaphyte_> backscatter comes from bounces, not rejections[17:59:15] <SuperNull> hurm.[17:59:38] <lunaphyte_> what specifically is the *actual* problem?[17:59:54] <SuperNull> well i have a deferred queue full of rejections that eventually piss aol .. msnbc.. so forth off.[18:00:23] <lunaphyte_> pastebin one of the messages. use postcat[18:01:14] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[18:01:27] <SuperNull> yep one sec.[18:03:46] <huma> how do i restrict users from submitting to port 25?[18:04:07] <lunaphyte_> don't offer smtp auth[18:04:33] <lunaphyte_> and you might even restrict the envelope sender to not allow your domains[18:04:58] <jelly> ha[18:05:09] *** digitalirony has joined #postfix[18:05:18] <jelly> that's a nice idea[18:06:14] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[18:08:50] <SuperNull> uhg. lunephyte_ give me a few mins i dont know if i have any of the 'real' problem messages right now.[18:11:04] <SuperNull> scumbag failmail .. jams queue when its time to leave, leaves queue empty when able to troubleshoot.[18:12:31] <rob0> complete logs (up to and including only the first remote rejection) of one such backscatter mail might be enough.[18:13:46] <rob0> grep for the queue ID[18:18:03] *** freezey has joined #postfix[18:20:44] <SuperNull> what a scumbag. .. this guy who got caught stealing modem service.. decided to run a phishing site and bulk mailer.[18:20:59] <SuperNull> now were getting the heat of course.[18:26:16] *** mr_danie1 has joined #postfix[18:27:16] <rob0> Notify Spamhaus that you've kicked him out, and share whatever information about him that you can ... maybe he's in (or will qualify for) ROKSO.[18:28:06] <rob0> oh wow, theft of service, not even a paying customer?[18:29:01] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:29:21] *** mr_daniel has quit IRC[18:30:18] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[18:30:48] *** mr_danie1 is now known as mr_daniel[18:30:53] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[18:32:49] <SuperNull> he got caught cause he cloned a mac and the other customer called in complaining of issues..[18:35:32] <SuperNull> it would be eaiser if we graphed the docsis timing offset for each modem (basically a latency to a modem from the CMTS and back for upstream timing purposes). Its a direct relation between distance from the fiber node to the customer.. he was between to paying customers so it was easy to say 'look between these 2'[18:35:44] <SuperNull> were not city so it was obvious[18:56:26] <huma> lunaphyte: thank you. works nicely.[18:57:44] <huma> do mail servers generally use tls when connect to port 25?[18:58:16] <thumbs> huma: no.[18:58:43] <lunaphyte_> nope, but you should offer it, so that that can will.[18:58:57] <huma> ok, thanks[19:01:37] <lunaphyte_> port 25 should offer but not require encryption, and should not offer auth.[19:01:54] <lunaphyte_> port 587 should offer and require encryption, and should offer and require auth.[19:02:55] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[19:06:58] *** freezey has quit IRC[19:14:20] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[19:19:57] *** m1nish has quit IRC[19:20:59] <huma> lunaphyte: yes, this is how i have it. thanks again :)[19:21:14] <lunaphyte_> cool, good deal. you're welcome.[19:22:54] *** Cromulent has joined #postfix[19:24:42] *** Cromulent has quit IRC[19:27:59] *** mrsoul|afk has joined #postfix[19:38:51] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[19:39:46] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[19:43:45] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[19:50:06] *** Guest02377-50092 has quit IRC[19:50:09] *** tabakhase has joined #postfix[19:50:26] <tabakhase> hi there, im running (or plan to) a postfix + dovecot + mysql stack[19:50:45] <tabakhase> i can login & imap fetch mails in a tslish manner, thats all fine[19:51:35] <tabakhase> i even managed to make it "send" after some struggling with some " Fatal: postmaster_address setting not given"[19:52:29] <tabakhase> send as in via authed smtp - how ever - now im getting that same error when i try to send mail TO this box, while at the same lines i see the mysql lookup beeing successful[19:52:35] <tabakhase> 'where to dig'?[19:52:53] <lunaphyte> !tell tabakhase welcome[19:52:53] <knoba> tabakhase: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[19:54:20] <tabakhase> lunaphyte whats missin? dont realy wanne start pasing configs when it might be easy... but give me a second[19:54:44] <Dominian> postconf -n and logs of the issue are best[20:00:36] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[20:01:45] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[20:02:25] <tabakhase> http://nopaste.info/e4528a46e5.html for a start[20:03:03] *** Uranio has quit IRC[20:03:14] <tabakhase> hm, missed that line, partly custom: dovecot unix - n n - - pipe[20:03:14] <tabakhase> flags=DRhu user=vmail:vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -c /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}[20:08:16] <tabakhase> when trying to use him as "publuc relay" i get it correctly denied, so it seems the local delivery is bugged[20:09:03] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[20:09:19] <tabakhase> what dissexplained why before i had the SAME errormessage, when tryng to "send by smtp auth" (reason that where bugged chmods on the auth socket from dovecot->postfix)[20:09:33] *** UQlev has quit IRC[20:09:49] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[20:10:54] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[20:11:11] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[20:14:20] <lunaphyte> sigh. there's no "it might be easy"... you simply do what the topic says, and then you get help[20:16:08] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[20:16:59] <lunaphyte> i don't see any logs of failed postfix delivery attempts[20:17:14] <lunaphyte> i dove see delivery to dovecot via pipe though, which is silly. use lmtp[20:19:50] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[20:22:29] *** cilly has quit IRC[20:24:27] *** cilly has joined #postfix[20:30:58] *** nutron has joined #postfix[20:32:24] <gavimobile> can postfix provide support for both tls and ssl to clients? also what port would ssl be running on? 587?[20:33:03] <rob0_> !smtps[20:33:03] <knoba> rob0_: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[20:33:39] <lunaphyte> those are misnomers anyway.[20:33:49] <lunaphyte> tls does not mean one thing and ssl the other[20:34:25] *** tombar has joined #postfix[20:34:35] <patdk-wk_> unless your on like android/windows[20:34:50] <lunaphyte> ok, does not *actually* mean.[20:35:05] <lunaphyte> of course there is no end to the wrong terminology out there[20:35:18] <patdk-wk_> :)[20:35:19] <rob0_> Still a misnomer even if deliberately misused by your OS. :)[20:35:32] <gavimobile> im not clear as what NOT should be used? port 465 with ssl?[20:35:39] <lunaphyte> no[20:35:40] <Dominian> don't use port 465[20:35:49] <Dominian> !submission[20:35:49] <knoba> Dominian: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[20:35:50] <gavimobile> Dominian: doesn't google use port 465?[20:35:52] <lunaphyte> smtps[465] should never be used[20:35:57] <Dominian> I odn't care what google uses[20:36:03] <lunaphyte> yes google uses smtps[465]. so what?[20:36:06] <gavimobile> ok ok ok ill disable it :-p[20:36:14] <rob0_> Any recent MUAs worthy of your time to support should work fine with TLS on port 587.[20:36:16] <lunaphyte> use submission[587]+starttls[20:36:24] <Dominian> 465 is used for authetnicate demails that you intend to relay[20:36:34] <Dominian> all mail servers still use port 25 to communicate between themselves[20:37:01] <lunaphyte> 465 was the precursor to submission+starttls[20:37:10] <gavimobile> can I keep 25 and 587 open and let the client decide what he wantsto use?[20:37:18] <lunaphyte> both are for submission. 465 has been deprecated for ages[20:37:24] <rob0_> 46 (smtps) was an early, poorly-thought-out attempt to implement the submission protocol.[20:37:25] <lunaphyte> no. clients are not to use 25.[20:37:33] <rob0_> *465[20:37:44] <lunaphyte> 25 is for servers to talk to other servers. clients are to use submission[587][20:38:01] <rob0_> You need port 25 open if you are MX for any domain[s].[20:38:06] <patdk-wk_> what should hostiles use?[20:38:16] <lunaphyte> you don't let the client decide what he wants to use. you instruct them on how to configure their software to use the service.[20:38:39] <rob0_> Spammers use 25, of course, unless they have compromised one of your users' accounts.[20:42:18] *** batteur has joined #postfix[20:42:31] <batteur> hi[20:43:19] <batteur> i set up my mail server in fall 2008 following this tutorial: http://workaround.org/ispmail/etch[20:43:21] <gavimobile> rob0_: I am a mx[20:43:34] *** mrsoul|afk has quit IRC[20:43:40] <gavimobile> my dns and my smtp are on the same server[20:43:42] <batteur> in the troubleshooting section it says to come here, so here i am ;)[20:43:50] *** mrsoul|afk has joined #postfix[20:44:26] <batteur> is the author aka signum still active?[20:44:52] <adaptr> he can be spotted in the wild once in a while[20:44:54] <Dominian> batteur: Umm ispmail isn't postfix[20:45:01] <Dominian> So are yo uusing ispmail or postfix?[20:45:09] <adaptr> rob0_: I wanna be an MX too![20:45:29] <Dominian> You're an MX, she's an MX, he's an MX, don't you wanna be an MX too?[20:45:52] <batteur> i used the linked tutorial, which uses postfix. and the tut says to come here and look for a guy named signum[20:45:56] *** mrsoul|afk has quit IRC[20:46:14] <Dominian> I see[20:46:16] *** mrsoul has joined #postfix[20:46:26] <adaptr> he'll want to fix that asap :)[20:46:36] <Dominian> Yeah[20:46:41] <Dominian> he's not been on in a week[20:46:47] <adaptr> you're the first one asking questions about it in forever[20:46:56] *** sphenxes02 has joined #postfix[20:47:01] <Dominian> batteur: It also says to read the hints in the /topic ;)[20:47:10] <batteur> so i’m special, i guess ;)[20:47:11] <adaptr> Dominian: that was too hard![20:47:25] *** aarcane has quit IRC[20:47:34] <Dominian> adaptr: that's what she said[20:47:47] <adaptr> funny, she never says that to me[20:47:52] *** aarcane has joined #postfix[20:48:08] *** mrsoul has quit IRC[20:48:12] <rob0_> !seen signum[20:48:12] <knoba> rob0_: signum was last seen in #postfix 27 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Signum> wdp: NAT?[20:48:25] *** mrsoul has joined #postfix[20:48:29] <thumbs> !seen rob0[20:48:29] <knoba> thumbs: rob0 was last seen in #postfix 2 hours, 20 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <rob0> oh wow, theft of service, not even a paying customer?[20:48:37] <thumbs> !broken[20:48:37] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "broken" is not a valid command.[20:48:53] <rob0_> oops I grew a tail[20:48:57] <batteur> my problem is: clamav doesn’t work since like three weeks and now i finally found time to try to repair it. or to at least “rescue” the mails i didn’t get since then, before i move to another server[20:49:35] <adaptr> ...okay[20:49:40] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[20:50:40] <adaptr> "rsecue the mails I did not get since then"[20:50:48] <adaptr> can you explain what that refers to ?[20:51:03] <adaptr> if there are messages you did not get, chances are you will never get them[20:51:54] *** necrogami has quit IRC[20:52:29] <gavimobile> where can I get some information on why the channel doesn't want me to use port 25 for email submission[20:52:39] <thumbs> the channel?[20:52:52] <adaptr> the *channel* ? um submission is a standardized protocol, has been for many years[20:52:56] <thumbs> gavimobile: port 25 is for mail exchange, not submission.[20:52:57] <adaptr> !sbumission[20:52:58] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "sbumission" is not a valid command.[20:53:01] <adaptr> !submission[20:53:01] <knoba> adaptr: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[20:53:04] <thumbs> !adpatr[20:53:05] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "adpatr" is not a valid command.[20:53:09] <adaptr> gavimobile: it has its own RFC, see there[20:53:14] <adaptr> !thbums[20:53:14] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "thbums" is not a valid command.[20:53:29] *** necrogami has joined #postfix[20:53:44] <gavimobile> ill have a look[20:53:59] *** mrsoul has quit IRC[20:54:18] *** mrsoul has joined #postfix[20:54:21] <batteur> adaptr: mailq shows a bunch of mails i didn’t get[20:54:35] <batteur> is there a possibility to get them?[20:55:08] <rob0_> There are lots of reason why you should want to keep your submission stream separate from incoming MX mail. Namely that both need filtering, and filtering needs are much different.[20:55:13] <adaptr> gavimobile: you are going to be more than a leetle surprised at how old that is. 2476 is 15 years old now.[20:55:39] <rob0_> !tell batteur postcat[20:55:39] <knoba> batteur: "postcat" : a command for printing the contents of a mail in the queue. See "man postcat".[20:55:47] <adaptr> batteur: so don't say "I didn't get them". learn your words! say "there are mails still in my queue/undelivered"[20:56:32] <batteur> adaptr: i’m a noob at this ;) “i didn’t get them” means my mail client doesn’t show them ;)[20:56:44] <batteur> i can’t send or receive[20:56:47] <adaptr> yeah, that's not good enough.[20:57:00] <batteur> so can i get them somehow?[20:57:02] <adaptr> what's the complex parts factoid ?[20:57:14] <adaptr> batteur: you're missing about 90% of the pieces.[20:57:25] <batteur> ?[20:57:42] <rob0_> Did you read the factoid I showed you? Why do you think I showed you that?[20:58:13] <rob0_> If you're going to ignore me and the bot, please say so now, and I will save time.[20:58:27] <adaptr> ...you didn't show him any factoidi[20:58:54] <rob0_> oh[20:59:09] <rob0_> who was this: 18:55 < rob0_> !tell batteur postcat[20:59:16] <adaptr> but it was shown plenty of times[20:59:26] <adaptr> oh that. would he understand if he used it ?[20:59:45] <adaptr> the next sentence out of his keyboard was "my MUA doesn't send or receive mail. hailp!"[20:59:48] <rob0_> we'll find out -- maybe.[21:00:06] <batteur> rob0_: i just saw it[21:01:00] <batteur> i’m on the server via ssh, just tried it and i’m waiting for a response[21:01:11] <adaptr> wow[21:01:25] <rob0_> tried "man postcat"?[21:01:52] <batteur> i just typed postcat and hit enter ;)[21:02:16] <adaptr> have yuo used a Unix computer before ?[21:02:30] <batteur> yep, but as i said i’m a noob[21:02:56] <adaptr> that gets thrown around quite often as if it were some sort of shield. it isn't.[21:03:10] <adaptr> it means you're starting out at a sdistinnct disadvantage[21:03:18] <rob0_> You might want to spend some time learning Unix basics before trying to run a mail server.[21:03:39] <adaptr> we should make one, and point people at it, a la !sweet[21:03:44] <adaptr> the Shield of Noobness![21:04:12] <batteur> I’m trying to get away from being the admin by giving up this server and moving to uberspace.de[21:04:35] <batteur> but first i want to try to get the emails[21:05:03] <adaptr> perhaps somebody can help you with this migration ?[21:05:38] <batteur> right now i’m at a LUG meeting (for the first time), but the people here have other special interests than mail servers[21:06:00] <adaptr> yes, mail is a very specialized subject. you won't find many unix admins touching it[21:06:37] <batteur> i guess i don’t meet to look for irony here anywhere ;)[21:06:45] <batteur> vrml. meet = need[21:07:18] <batteur> the spell checker doesn’t like me …[21:08:59] *** ccxCZ has joined #postfix[21:11:54] *** mrsoul has quit IRC[21:12:13] *** mrsoul has joined #postfix[21:13:17] *** mrsoul has left #postfix[21:18:09] *** {pj}^A__ has quit IRC[21:18:29] *** luis_alen has left #postfix[21:18:35] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[21:20:34] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[21:20:54] *** sphenxes02 has quit IRC[21:24:50] <tabakhase> FOUND![21:26:10] <tabakhase> a bit....[21:27:07] <adaptr> !tell tabakhase welcome[21:27:07] <knoba> tabakhase: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[21:31:11] <tabakhase> lunaphyte found the reason its using pipe and not lmtp - dovecot v 1.2[21:32:27] <rob0> Dovecot 1.x did not have LMTP.[21:32:41] <adaptr> but it will never, ever figure that out on its own.[21:32:46] <rob0> oh, is that what you are saying?[21:33:08] <adaptr> so no, "it" is not uysing pipe in preference over LTMP. "it" cannot, since "it" does not possess intelligence[21:35:24] <tabakhase> paste logs... there is nothing, all debugging hooks in dovecot are on, and then dies with a spanky missleading Fatal: postmaster_address setting not given[21:35:44] <tabakhase> im not pasting tons of logs as there are none... =([21:36:01] <adaptr> who do you think you're talking to ? nobody mentioned logs.. yet.[21:36:23] <rob0> postmaster_address is a Dovecot setting. This is the #postfix channel.[21:36:37] <tabakhase> adaptr the guys in here about 30 minutes ago[21:36:55] <adaptr> that's too long ago. please provide context[21:37:23] <tabakhase> rob0 i threw it into "postfix related" as my dovecot IMAP(s) just fine[21:40:27] <tabakhase> adaptr: vmails (mysql), dovecot, postfix - then there is ME, REMOTE, and SERVER, ME sends authorized, REMOTE unauthorized, SERVER (guess) ||| me->via server-> at randomdomain dot tld works ||| me -> server -> to mail hosted on server ERROR ||| remote -> server (send mail to box hosted there) ERROR || me imap/pop -> server works[21:41:07] *** pj has joined #postfix[21:41:33] <tabakhase> so "dovecot out of postfix" is the flawy as it seems (imap dovecot is started as deamon, works just fine)[21:42:32] <adaptr> I have no idea what that means. did you follow the advice I gave you above ?[21:43:12] <adaptr> in case of a (suspected) postfix problem, please provide NON-VERBOSE logs of a single instance of this problem, accompanied by the output of postconf -n, in a sane pastebin site[21:45:24] <tabakhase> shall be both in here http://nopaste.info/e4528a46e5.html[21:46:51] <tabakhase> fun part: when telneting a RCPT TO: unexisting@mail i get a instant bitching as the user dosnt exist, so all the auth part + the general setup seem 'super okay'[21:46:56] *** shinao1__ has joined #postfix[21:47:33] *** Toerkeium has joined #postfix[21:47:55] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[21:50:03] <rob0> Looks like Dovecot LDA ("deliver") does not want to work without the postmaster_address set.[21:51:01] <rob0> Why don't you try setting it?[21:51:42] <tabakhase> hm, hes the 'half-clone' of another server - that is running fine - and thats not having a postmaster_address anywhere - and year, spanking that line into the dovecot cfg been my first idea - no success[21:52:13] <rob0_> Did you consult the Dovecot 1.x wiki?[21:54:17] <tabakhase> uh uh now i got some[21:56:02] <adaptr> tabakhase: you're still not paying attention to what people say[21:56:37] *** wdp has joined #postfix[21:56:37] *** wdp has joined #postfix[21:56:48] <adaptr> 1. this is a *dovecot* issue, and 2. you should seek recourse in a *dovecot* forum[21:57:31] <tabakhase> fixed it =) E997D3B05CE: to=<chackmann at msg dot ekomi.de>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.58, delays=0.4/0/0/0.18, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via dovecot service)[21:57:47] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[21:58:18] <tabakhase> adaptr yep, but it might not been (as cfgs could be nonreadable when postfix starts it on the wrong user - just as one example)...[21:58:28] *** z1mme has quit IRC[21:59:09] <adaptr> that makes zero sense.[21:59:16] <tabakhase> thanks all the 'check the wiki, that actually IS a realy entry that needs to be set' gave me the punch[22:00:06] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[22:00:47] *** freezey has joined #postfix[22:02:12] *** Section1 has quit IRC[22:03:07] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[22:03:36] <batteur> i’ll drive home now (or soon) and try to fix my server. thanks and bye :)[22:04:07] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[22:06:21] *** stljim has joined #postfix[22:06:22] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[22:08:18] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[22:08:19] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:08:22] *** mechanicalduck_ is now known as mechanicalduck[22:11:06] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[22:11:55] *** Praise- has joined #postfix[22:12:31] *** Praise has quit IRC[22:14:16] *** batteur has quit IRC[22:18:46] *** Praise- is now known as Praise[22:20:52] *** z1mme has joined #postfix[22:27:03] *** KaiForce has joined #postfix[22:27:13] *** z1mme has quit IRC[22:39:00] *** jarif has quit IRC[22:53:10] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:57:36] *** grknight has quit IRC[23:07:20] *** famicom` has quit IRC[23:07:25] *** cromag has quit IRC[23:08:16] *** freezey has quit IRC[23:10:16] *** famicom has joined #postfix[23:10:25] *** cromag has joined #postfix[23:10:26] *** cromag has joined #postfix[23:12:05] *** batteur has joined #postfix[23:13:07] *** RayS has quit IRC[23:13:43] *** danblack has joined #postfix[23:17:34] *** jarif has joined #postfix[23:21:51] *** gavimobile has quit IRC[23:30:19] *** donmichelangelo has quit IRC[23:31:25] *** donmichelangelo has joined #postfix[23:33:27] *** danblack has quit IRC[23:35:47] *** sphenxes02 has joined #postfix[23:38:17] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[23:44:32] *** sphenxes02 has quit IRC[23:44:35] *** z1mme has joined #postfix[23:45:17] *** z1mme has joined #postfix[23:59:18] *** krisfremen has quit IRC