June 20, 2013 
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June 20, 2013 [00:23:23] *** stljim has quit IRC[00:31:11] *** danblack has joined #postfix[00:41:59] *** iAsterisk has joined #postfix[00:46:00] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[00:46:08] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[00:46:46] *** _ruben_ has quit IRC[00:46:53] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[00:49:06] <adaptr> ...right[00:49:36] <adaptr> OpenSys: you're solving the wrong problem.[00:49:37] <Patrickdk> amavisd hardly uses any memory[00:49:54] *** cromag has quit IRC[00:50:04] *** wdp has quit IRC[00:52:53] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[00:53:13] <OpenSys> adaptr, it's not a problem. it's a new feature that i need.[00:54:09] <OpenSys> is 90% solved need only to find the correctly var the be done[00:54:28] *** cromag has joined #postfix[00:54:28] *** cromag has joined #postfix[00:55:02] <adaptr> "my objective is tracking the maillog with a mail database" - I can't even conceive what that means.[00:55:28] <adaptr> if you can't explain it, there is no way in hell it's useful[00:55:40] <adaptr> you stil lhaven't stated the real goal[00:56:46] <OpenSys> Patrickdk, amavisd use perl, perl :)[00:58:47] <Patrickdk> amavis only uses like a few megs of ram[00:59:45] <pj> OpenSys: so?[00:59:51] <pj> what's wrong with perl?[01:07:28] <jimpop> perl is what is wrong with perl. ;-)[01:08:35] * thumbs kills jimpop[01:09:01] <jimpop> better you than perl. :)[01:09:04] *** stljim has joined #postfix[01:09:19] <jimpop> perl[01:09:22] <jimpop> doh[01:09:33] <jimpop> perl's been know to litterally suck the life out of people[01:09:39] <OpenSys> pj i like perl, but when i begin to use amavisd in the past 8 years he was slow scanning[01:10:40] <OpenSys> i use it for 4/5 years then a make my a script for that i need to scan[01:10:43] <pj> I never had problems with amavisd being slow. I've had problems with it dieing in the past, but never being slow.[01:11:17] <pj> that said, I run postscreen so the load on amavisd is not so bad.[01:12:01] <OpenSys> maybe now its better i don't know[01:12:13] <OpenSys> but in the past don't[01:12:21] <pj> and, well, you still can't run amavisd pre-queue, it is too slow for that.[01:12:32] <pj> pretty much has to be a post-queue filter.[01:13:29] <OpenSys> adaptr, ok fine, i say you all, and what i need.[01:14:00] <adaptr> wow, well, I am sure glad you could be bothered to explain[01:14:09] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[01:14:33] <OpenSys> pj in my opinion pre-queue scan only slow the other side server[01:16:36] *** wolfmitchell has quit IRC[01:17:46] <OpenSys> adaptr, with all respect, i make a simple question just that. You thing that all users don't know what he are doing, don't thing that.[01:18:48] <adaptr> you come here with what we consider to be a dubious goal. you claim the only way to reach it is to modify the source code. I do indeed claim that when that is your first answer, you don't know what you're doing.[01:18:54] <adaptr> so I asked what you really wanted to do[01:19:34] <pj> OpenSys: if you want to hack the source you are on your own.[01:21:07] *** snearch has quit IRC[01:21:53] <OpenSys> adaptr, i will explain from beginning, i say that because what i search on web, don't answer me. so i put my question.[01:22:03] <OpenSys> i know that pj[01:22:24] <adaptr> well, you could have started with what you were lookinng for originally[01:22:32] <OpenSys> i have more hacks in other things[01:23:04] <adaptr> such as...?[01:23:24] *** danblack has quit IRC[01:23:41] <OpenSys> adaptr, just what i say: need a Queue-ID header in mails[01:24:10] <OpenSys> like: X-Queue-ID: AB5602112212[01:24:25] <adaptr> no, you just said you already hacked the postfix source code.[01:24:35] <adaptr> I am curious why[01:24:40] <pj> OpenSys: no, that's not the problem you're trying to solve. That's what you think the solution is[01:24:43] <pj> !xy[01:24:43] <knoba> pj: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[01:25:00] <pj> OpenSys: ^^^^^^[01:25:25] <OpenSys> adaptr, yes for other things, not for that[01:25:57] <OpenSys> so i first question about it without hack[01:26:08] <adaptr> yes, other things. such as...[01:26:44] <OpenSys> pj, i will explain[01:27:10] <pj> OpenSys: please do, we've been waiting[01:27:19] <OpenSys> i make backups of all mail thats arrive[01:27:58] <tharkun> OpenSys: The first thing you get teached on Harvard is Case Analysis and the most simple and fundamental of all questions asked is "What are the facts?" Please state your facts and what you try to achieve. That will make life simpler on everyone.[01:28:04] <OpenSys> when i have problems and search in mail.log its easy go get the Queue-ID[01:28:13] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[01:28:33] <adaptr> tharkun: no English in the curriculum ? :P[01:28:52] <tharkun> adaptr: Nope, that is the second course given ;P[01:28:58] <adaptr> OpenSys: this is correct. that is what the queue-id is FOR, incidentally[01:29:00] <pj> OpenSys: so you want to be able to find the logs for a message?[01:29:02] <OpenSys> in 100000 mails or so its easy to search by the Queue-ID[01:29:03] <pj> is that all?[01:29:05] <tharkun> You need to pay extra mone for that[01:29:36] <OpenSys> for that i need the header[01:29:46] <pj> OpenSys: search for the message-id[01:29:52] <pj> from that you get the queue id[01:30:11] <adaptr> pj: um. of course not.[01:30:18] <OpenSys> message-id can repeat[01:30:26] <OpenSys> not a option[01:30:29] <pj> so can queue id[01:30:35] <OpenSys> hummmmmmmm[01:30:37] <adaptr> for messages submitted to postfix itself, yes. for everything else, no.[01:30:46] <OpenSys> queue id can repeat ?[01:30:51] <pj> yes[01:30:51] <tharkun> OpenSys: take a look at a mail recieved by your server and search for a string Recieved: from your.server.here ... with ESMTP id xxxxx then grep the xxxxx on your logs[01:31:01] <adaptr> OpenSys: the message-id is a LOT less likely to repeat than the old-style queue-id[01:31:22] <adaptr> the new-style queue-id, of course, does not repeat[01:31:24] <pj> you can enable long queue IDs which are much less likely to repeat.[01:31:27] <OpenSys> god....[01:31:47] <pj> the queue id is only guaranteed to be unique for as long as a message is queued.[01:31:57] <pj> once it leaves the queue, that id can be used again[01:32:11] <OpenSys> so in 1 year[01:32:27] <OpenSys> i can get 100 queue id's the same[01:32:41] <pj> it's possible, I'd say not likely, but possible.[01:32:44] <OpenSys> i think that he can repeat[01:33:11] <OpenSys> so e need to see the message-id[01:33:54] <OpenSys> but one thing is that some servers don't respect RFC's and don't send message-id[01:34:12] <adaptr> OpenSys: no. the new-style queue-id does not repeat.[01:35:01] <OpenSys> good[01:35:03] <miscellt> Does anyone have any experience setting up postfix as a relay to office365?[01:35:16] <pj> OpenSys: enable long queue ids, and do what tharkun said.[01:35:50] *** danblack has joined #postfix[01:35:50] <OpenSys> adaptr, what version came with this new option, or is a config variable ?[01:36:22] <adaptr> 2.9[01:36:32] *** ek has quit IRC[01:36:43] <OpenSys> adaptr, thanks for the info[01:36:47] <adaptr> you should be running 2.9, or preferably 2.10, anyway[01:36:52] <adaptr> anything else is old[01:38:22] <pj> OpenSys: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#enable_long_queue_ids[01:38:23] <OpenSys> pj, correct but i see that but in local email the "ESMTP id" dont exist's[01:39:22] <adaptr> OpenSys: for locally (sendmail-) submitted mail, the message-id is logged.[01:39:48] <adaptr> the localpart of a postfix-generated message-id is the queue-id[01:40:34] <pj> OpenSys: it's there, it just says id:[01:41:06] <OpenSys> pj thanks[01:41:35] *** jhave has left #postfix[01:43:44] <pj> and by looking at different recieved headers you can see the different queue IDs that the message may have had as it passed through your system.[01:43:45] <OpenSys> that some things to search[01:44:41] <pj> and services such as dovecot lda or dovecot lmtp also put their own queue ID in a received header.[01:45:00] <adaptr> um. LMTP has no queues. it's rather famous for it.[01:45:05] <pj> so that way of finding the ID works on many different scales and can help you find log entries all over the place[01:45:19] <adaptr> you also mean "levels"[01:45:31] <pj> yeah, levels[01:45:33] * adaptr heckles some more[01:45:40] <pj> adaptr: well, dovecot logs an id from lmtp for me[01:45:52] <pj> it may not be queued[01:46:01] <pj> but it will help search the logs for lines from dovecot.[01:46:13] <adaptr> true, but that's not a postfix question ;)[01:46:16] * adaptr ducks[01:46:32] <pj> right[01:47:12] <pj> I was simply stating that looking at that ID in the Recieved headers can help him find any and all log entries that he may want to search in relation to that message, even non-postfix ones.[01:49:35] *** higuita has joined #postfix[01:49:44] *** ek has joined #postfix[01:49:47] <OpenSys> yes but as i say local mails dont have Recieved headers[01:50:15] <adaptr> ...wut[01:50:33] <OpenSys> message-id or queue id that what i need[01:50:52] <OpenSys> need to sleep about it[01:51:14] <OpenSys> :)[01:51:20] <OpenSys> thank you[01:51:34] <OpenSys> time to zzz in my time zone[01:51:55] <adaptr> that's okay. I don't have to work, but it's early here too[01:59:27] <Patrickdk> you damned NEET[01:59:51] <adaptr> muhwut[02:00:13] <Patrickdk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET[02:01:19] <adaptr> hum. I bet I've clocked more field time than you , youngster.[02:01:43] <adaptr> (you hear that ? I clocked field time ! :)[02:02:04] <adaptr> one free queue-id if you get the reference[02:03:11] <pj> OpenSys: if it passes through postfix it has a Recieved header.[02:04:47] <adaptr> well, it will have a Received: header. dunno about yours[02:04:51] * adaptr ducks again[02:05:11] <pj> heh[02:06:14] <adaptr> you can hack the source to change it to your liking! it will have zero purpose, but that doesn't seem to stop people.[02:11:22] <Patrickdk> just make sure you commit it upstream[02:15:20] <adaptr> s/submit it to some people who will burn you down worse than a qmail autor on fire/[02:16:18] *** biggi_mat has joined #postfix[02:17:52] *** wald00 has quit IRC[02:22:10] <pj> hehehe[02:24:12] *** Praise has quit IRC[02:28:43] *** danblack has quit IRC[02:40:07] *** iAsterisk has quit IRC[02:43:03] *** Praise has joined #postfix[02:56:19] *** danblack has joined #postfix[02:56:49] *** iAsterisk has joined #postfix[03:08:43] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[03:08:43] *** hparker has quit IRC[03:08:43] *** patdk-wk_ has quit IRC[03:08:55] *** _ruben has quit IRC[03:09:09] *** synapt has quit IRC[03:09:33] *** whoami has quit IRC[03:12:47] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[03:13:04] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[03:13:35] *** whoami has joined #postfix[03:13:53] *** synapt has joined #postfix[03:14:03] *** patdk-wk_ has joined #postfix[03:14:13] *** hparker has joined #postfix[03:14:13] *** hparker has joined #postfix[03:17:19] *** iAsterisk has quit IRC[03:21:20] *** iAsterisk has joined #postfix[03:22:08] *** jimiller has joined #postfix[03:24:53] *** jimiller has quit IRC[03:25:21] *** stljim has quit IRC[03:26:57] *** Motoko has quit IRC[03:41:12] *** adaptr is now known as iNoob[03:41:32] *** iNoob is now known as adaptr[03:43:07] <jeev> i came up with the perfect item for apple fanboys, it's called the iDiot and it's free with every item you buy.[03:44:05] <adaptr> don't worry, they will be bringing out the MAXiPad later this year. it's been announced.[03:44:22] <adaptr> yes, APPLE calls it the ipad max. as if[03:44:30] <pj> hahaha[03:45:06] <jimpop> i still think the iRan and iRack were funniest[03:45:19] <adaptr> I would just fucking spraypaint ALWAYS right on the glass of every one I see[03:46:05] <jimpop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCCYLC-4xA[03:46:18] <adaptr> the iOn, for that 70s generation[04:03:24] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[04:23:48] *** danblack has quit IRC[04:25:20] *** danblack has joined #postfix[05:04:55] *** jerlique has joined #postfix[05:06:45] <jerlique> We've recently setup smtp auth, and I'm finding our servers are getting bombarded with password hacking. problems is the attemps are all coming from different ip addresses. How do others deal with this?[05:09:00] *** trusktr has quit IRC[05:12:58] *** AgileNetworks has quit IRC[05:14:29] *** AgileNetworks has joined #postfix[05:15:01] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[05:15:40] <lunaphyte> are you running a proper submission service, only on 587?[05:17:27] <lunaphyte> ensure you are [smtp auth is not to be offered on port 25], and also ensure you are requiring encryption before offering auth.[05:18:12] <lunaphyte> that will likely quiet things down. beyond that, there's nothing really you can do aside from reacting and blocking.[05:19:26] <jerlique> my understanding is that the rfc does not mandate encryption though on submission[05:20:44] <jerlique> also its hard to block when the attemps come from 26k different ip's![05:22:13] <jerlique> (my submission is requiring encryption)[05:35:02] <rob0> While no RFC mandates encryption on submission, they're your users, and it's easy enough to require it by local policy. :)[05:35:19] <rob0> (that won't stop the attack bots, however)[05:43:59] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[05:49:18] *** trusktr has quit IRC[05:54:40] *** _ruben has quit IRC[05:55:48] *** patdk-wk_ has quit IRC[05:55:48] *** whoami has quit IRC[05:55:49] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[05:56:13] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:57:00] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[05:57:16] *** patdk-wk_ has joined #postfix[05:57:35] *** hparker has joined #postfix[05:57:35] *** hparker has joined #postfix[05:57:49] *** whoami has joined #postfix[05:57:51] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[05:58:00] <jerlique> yeah the bots are relentless[05:59:04] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[06:01:46] *** nutron has quit IRC[06:06:07] *** Motoko has quit IRC[06:07:58] <pj> requiring encryption may stop some bots that aren't programmed to deal with it and slow down others due to the additional overhead.[06:11:19] <jeev> rob0 is the botmaster.[06:11:45] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:12:29] <pj> hah[06:13:43] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:15:24] <jeev> i'm serious[06:23:18] *** junixbr has quit IRC[06:27:24] *** junixbr has joined #postfix[06:28:26] *** magyar has quit IRC[07:08:17] *** tidd has quit IRC[07:08:41] *** tidd has joined #postfix[07:12:29] *** wald00 has quit IRC[07:15:30] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[07:19:48] *** Quadro has joined #postfix[07:39:20] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[07:48:23] *** d3c has joined #postfix[07:49:28] *** d3c has quit IRC[08:07:40] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[08:10:35] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[08:17:26] *** UQlev has quit IRC[08:53:43] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[08:57:55] *** lapache has quit IRC[09:11:12] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[09:11:32] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:11:34] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[09:12:54] *** lapache has joined #postfix[09:43:53] *** ds187 has quit IRC[09:45:25] *** ds187 has joined #postfix[10:01:36] *** wald00 has quit IRC[10:02:59] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:06:56] *** UQlev has quit IRC[10:08:56] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[10:25:20] <jelly> but who is zuul[10:27:11] <sep> he is the gatekeeper[10:29:59] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:29:59] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:31:35] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[10:32:51] *** danblack has quit IRC[10:55:59] <waldi> hmm. stress behaviour (error limit of one) and greylisting (you need to confirm each recipient at least once) looks like a nice way to never get any mail with multiple recipients[10:57:00] *** lapache has quit IRC[10:59:18] <waldi> the server disconnects after the first greylisted recipient without ever seeing the others[11:02:55] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:11:43] *** snearch has joined #postfix[11:24:33] *** sep has quit IRC[11:24:36] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[11:28:31] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[11:33:21] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[11:37:04] *** danblack has joined #postfix[11:45:28] *** err-or_ has joined #postfix[11:46:09] *** err-or has quit IRC[11:48:45] *** danblack has quit IRC[12:24:51] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[12:27:15] 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joined #postfix[13:21:37] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:24:54] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:25:31] *** NoReflex has joined #postfix[13:25:47] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:26:27] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:27:03] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[13:27:05] <NoReflex> hello! before I installed and configured postfix many messages accumulated in dead.letter; is there a way I can parse / use this file to check the not sent messages?[13:29:31] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[13:30:58] *** bungalo has joined #postfix[13:31:37] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[13:31:54] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:32:44] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[13:34:16] <lunaphyte_> consult the documentation for whatever software generated that file[13:34:30] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:36:08] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[13:36:53] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:37:29] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:38:23] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[13:41:37] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[13:41:54] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:43:47] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:43:59] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[13:44:53] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[13:46:53] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:53:11] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[13:53:37] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:55:28] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[13:57:30] <NoReflex> lunaphyte, I think it is something ... Linux specific[13:58:09] <lunaphyte_> huh?[13:58:29] <NoReflex> lunaphyte, you were right, it looks ssmtp creates it[13:58:41] <NoReflex> I did not know it was there/[13:58:49] <lunaphyte_> yes, dead.letter is "linux specific".[13:59:07] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:59:18] <lunaphyte_> that's of no meaning though[13:59:27] <lunaphyte_> it's got nothing to do with postfix[14:00:57] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[14:00:57] *** tharkun has quit IRC[14:01:07] <NoReflex> lunaphyte, I found a thread stating "Dead.letters are generally just mbox files"[14:03:52] <lunaphyte_> yup. you'll just have to look and see[14:06:16] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[14:06:55] *** tharkun has quit IRC[14:12:24] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[14:14:03] *** tharkun has quit IRC[14:14:48] *** lapache has quit IRC[14:15:13] *** lapache has joined #postfix[14:17:58] *** sshawn has joined #postfix[14:19:33] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[14:23:23] *** ffiore has quit IRC[14:30:36] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[14:32:58] *** sshawn has left #postfix[14:41:05] *** cilly has quit IRC[14:42:51] *** cilly has joined #postfix[14:43:55] *** Repox has joined #postfix[14:47:29] <Repox> Hi. I'm running Ubuntu and I tried setting up OpenDKIM for signing my e-mails. I'm not getting any error messages (as far as I can see) but none of my e-mails are getting signed. I don't know where to look now. My postconf -n is here: http://pastebin.com/cavQAPZh - my opendkim conf is here: http://pastebin.com/ebVxayf1 - any advice is appreciated.[14:48:35] <lunaphyte_> where is the log data as per the /topic?[14:49:30] <Repox> lunaphyte: sorry... hold on..[14:50:32] <Repox> Log file for dkim related entires: http://pastebin.com/qMKmYGPs[14:50:46] <lunaphyte_> huh?[14:51:01] <lunaphyte_> no. logs for processing of a single message[14:51:12] <lunaphyte_> postfix and dkim[14:52:49] <Repox> lunaphyte: Sure, I have this one I just send. http://pastebin.com/Bkrxcy0Y[14:53:28] <lunaphyte_> your postfix config looks fine. you'll want #opendkim[14:53:45] <Repox> lunaphyte: Thank you. I'll try that.[15:04:00] *** danblack has quit IRC[15:12:20] *** sep has joined #postfix[15:15:40] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:18:57] *** UQlev has quit IRC[15:27:56] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[15:48:28] *** snearch has quit IRC[16:00:59] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[16:06:32] *** jekle has joined #postfix[16:10:51] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[16:16:31] *** wald00 has quit IRC[16:19:22] <lunaphyte_> debug_peer_level = ? to see what a remote client sends in helo/ehlo?[16:25:53] <lunaphyte_> debug_peer_level = 1[16:26:35] <adaptr> was that a question[16:26:42] <lunaphyte_> yeah[16:26:51] <lunaphyte_> and an answer too![16:27:08] <adaptr> is there no description of the levels ?[16:27:28] <lunaphyte_> i didn't bother to look. just tias.[16:28:17] <lunaphyte_> back to my tabular formatting :)[16:28:21] <adaptr> there isn't :)[16:28:27] <lunaphyte_> [which isn't working right][16:28:34] <adaptr> I already solved that for you, didn't i ?[16:28:41] <lunaphyte_> good, at least i didn't waste any time.[16:28:51] <lunaphyte_> i thought so, but i think i'm doing it wrong still[16:29:07] <lunaphyte_> oh, i got sidetracked. found some field splitting i didn't want[16:36:03] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:37:25] *** decci has joined #postfix[16:37:45] <decci> I am uanble to get main.cf under Ubuntu machine during postfix restart[16:38:58] <lunaphyte_> ! tell decci welcome[16:38:58] <knoba> decci: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[16:39:32] *** Repox has quit IRC[16:39:45] <rob0> I don't know what that means, "get main.cf ... during postfix restart"?[16:40:57] <adaptr> he's being pinned down forcibly[16:41:53] <decci> lunaphyte_: I am configuring postfix. I want to Sent and received Mails from every account i use, what option shall I choose[16:42:21] <rob0> option? In what context?[16:42:33] *** turbomettwurst has joined #postfix[16:42:37] <lunaphyte_> the option you should choose is reading the documentation[16:42:49] <rob0> !basic[16:42:49] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[16:44:25] <jelly> decci: can you add a verb into this sentence? "I want to XXXXXXXX Sent and received Mails from every account i use"[16:44:27] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[16:44:37] <turbomettwurst> i have a queue full of mails that insist on delievery to a no-longer available mta, i tried postsuper -r to requeue them but no dice, any tips on how to force all my mails to go to the new mta?[16:44:47] <decci> jelly: Sorry it seems I am unclear. Let me ask the question clearly[16:45:10] <adaptr> !/ig[16:45:10] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "/ig" is not a valid command.[16:46:59] <decci> I have a Ubuntu machine which is running postfix. I have a remote Windows machine. All I need is For mailboxes I want to store Mails on Server01/ clevercircuits/03_Mailboxes.[16:47:06] <decci> Any idea how can I achieve that[16:47:32] <turbomettwurst> i already tried force a /etc/hosts entry and forcing pf to adhere to files before dns but it seems the target mta ia already part of the mailqueue on disk[16:47:41] <decci> That folder is created under Windows machine[16:48:06] <adaptr> !tell decci why[16:48:06] <knoba> decci: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[16:48:37] *** tharkun has quit IRC[16:48:37] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[16:48:49] <decci> knoba: I am learning it[16:49:01] <rob0> It's not a good idea to deliver to files on a Windows server, because you need Unix permissions on those files/directories.[16:49:10] <decci> knoba: All I have a postfix working. I need to just redirect mails to Mailbox to Windows share[16:49:26] <lunaphyte_> not realizing you are talking to a bot is a bad sign...[16:49:27] <Dominian> mailbox ona windows share?[16:49:40] <adaptr> turbomettwurst: the nexthop is an attribute of the queued message. show relevant logs of what you attempted.[16:50:19] <lunaphyte_> i'm not sure i like the idea of any sausage being hastily produced[16:52:08] <decci> lunaphyte_: I dont want to store mails on local machine but to windows machine[16:52:25] <decci> lunaphyte_: Do I need samba for this[16:52:30] <lunaphyte_> why?[16:52:36] <adaptr> decci: you use a MUA to download mail to a client[16:52:48] <rob0> Looks like I'm on /ignore.[16:52:50] <decci> lunaphyte_: I dont have much space here in Linux machine to store those mails[16:52:57] <decci> rob0: Sorry rob[16:53:03] <decci> rob0: I dont meant it[16:53:07] <rob0> It's not a good idea to deliver to files on a Windows server, because you need Unix permissions on those files/directories.[16:53:16] <decci> rob0: Is it impossible?[16:53:29] <adaptr> no, just weird, and not very secure[16:53:31] <lunaphyte_> that's a bad idea. buy a disk[16:53:34] <decci> rob0: I understand but since its local setup..[16:53:36] <rob0> It CAN be done, sure, but you have to get the permissions right.[16:53:46] <decci> rob0: Can samba help me under this[16:54:33] <decci> rob0: I am ready to face security concern..but I just badly need it be done...Can you suggest how shall I redirect[16:54:41] <rob0> You'd mount the share using cifs, which requires some userland tools from Samba.[16:54:49] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[16:54:49] <decci> rob0: okie[16:55:15] <rob0> or, if the Windows machine is capable of NFS, use NFS.[16:55:54] <adaptr> rob0: only one: mount.cfis. the actual code is in the kernel. has been for years[16:56:03] <adaptr> *mount.cifs, probably, even[16:56:07] <rob0> smbmnt?[16:56:19] <adaptr> yes, THAT is part of samba. it's not required.[16:57:09] <rob0> I haven't had to deal with Windows for many years, whew[16:57:23] <decci> adaptr: Any link which can help me out[16:57:47] <decci> rob0: Where does postfix store the mails by default[16:58:18] <decci> rob0: /var/mail ??[16:58:54] <adaptr> decci: man mount.cifs[16:58:58] <rob0> probably, yes. That can vary by distro[16:59:32] <rob0> !mail_spool_directory[16:59:32] <knoba> rob0: "mail_spool_directory" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The directory where local(8) UNIX-style mailboxes are kept. The default setting depends on the system type. Specify a name ending in / for maildir-style delivery.[17:00:34] *** magyar has joined #postfix[17:03:31] <decci> knoba: Ok[17:03:47] <decci> rob0: Do I need to install dovecot for receiving the mails[17:05:36] *** Chex has left #postfix[17:07:25] *** NoReflex has quit IRC[17:07:27] *** tharkun has quit IRC[17:07:54] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[17:08:02] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[17:10:24] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:12:47] *** tharkun has quit IRC[17:13:20] <rob0> You'll almost surely need an imapd like Dovecot, yes.[17:13:20] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[17:17:35] *** wolfmitchell has joined #postfix[17:32:26] <adaptr> rob0: he's going to use notepad.exe[17:33:34] <lunaphyte_> right.[17:33:41] <lunaphyte_> you jsut need the imapd plugin[17:33:44] <lunaphyte_> *just[17:38:11] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[17:48:53] *** decci has quit IRC[17:51:02] *** err-or has joined #postfix[17:51:32] *** bungalo has quit IRC[17:58:05] *** turbomettwurst has quit IRC[17:58:55] *** MacWinner has quit IRC[18:00:33] *** vizz has left #postfix[18:04:18] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[18:22:19] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[18:25:33] *** necrogami has quit IRC[18:30:24] *** p3rror has quit IRC[18:31:10] *** necrogami has joined #postfix[18:35:37] *** m1nish has joined #postfix[18:45:33] *** wald00 has quit IRC[18:46:00] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[18:56:07] *** err-or_ has joined #postfix[18:56:19] <Dominian> patdk-wk_: didn't realize the reports were in xml format.. how do you read these?[18:56:41] <patdk-wk_> vi[18:56:48] <Dominian> So you just read the raw xml format?[18:56:52] <patdk-wk_> yep[18:56:55] <Dominian> sounds good[18:57:03] <patdk-wk_> haven't felt the need to *develop* anything yet[18:57:06] <Dominian> hehe[18:57:09] <patdk-wk_> would like to, but not a priority[18:57:31] <Dominian> oh wow[18:57:39] <Dominian> It appears I do see source IPs trying to send as 'from' my domain[18:58:00] <patdk-wk_> I have a bunch of them, in india[18:58:11] <patdk-wk_> always sending from india to china[18:58:12] *** nutron has joined #postfix[18:58:57] <Dominian> looks like I have some florida comcast IPs trying to send as my domain[18:59:17] <lunaphyte_> oh, whoops. i thought i had that fixed[18:59:25] <Dominian> lol[18:59:29] *** err-or has quit IRC[18:59:38] <lunaphyte_> that should be uk now, not florida[18:59:42] <Dominian> :)[18:59:45] <Dominian> some in .cy[18:59:55] * Dominian hugs DKIM/SPF[18:59:57] *** err-or_ has quit IRC[19:08:16] *** err-or has joined #postfix[19:08:18] *** UQlev has quit IRC[19:09:48] *** RayS has joined #postfix[19:27:28] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[19:31:59] *** junix_ has joined #postfix[19:32:27] *** junix_ has quit IRC[19:33:33] *** junix_ has joined #postfix[19:33:58] *** junix_ has quit IRC[19:35:01] *** junixbr has quit IRC[19:35:22] *** junixbr has joined #postfix[19:41:15] *** FUF has quit IRC[19:46:45] <jelly-home> apparently to improve deliverability to hotmail.com can join some of their reporting services, BUT you need a live.com account[19:47:09] *** Phoenixz has joined #postfix[19:48:35] <Phoenixz> Hello, I am looking for some statistics module for postfix that could check, say, every 5-10 minutes so I could see if anybody is sending ridiculous amounts of mails (we're having some spammer problems I'm trying to control).. I could write something myself, but this being postfix, I can not imagine I am the first person thinking about this. Is there already some opensource solution that can do this?[19:48:51] *** z1mme has joined #postfix[19:49:48] <Phoenixz> I have found some systems that will go over the existing log file, but that seems a rather heavy solution to me, specially since I want to be able to stop people in the act, not at the end of the day when its too late and our IP is black listed again.. I am more looking for something I could access every 5 mins to see the stats of the last 5 minutes..[19:50:06] *** FUF has joined #postfix[19:50:31] <Dominian> might be able to use a policy daemon to do it[19:50:32] <Dominian> !policyd[19:50:32] <knoba> Dominian: "policyd" : (#1) http://www.policyd.org/ : an anti-spam Postfix policy daemon, or (#2) . It also can manage throttling of email and a variety of other things not handled by postfix directly[19:50:49] <Dominian> or mailgraph[19:50:51] <Dominian> !mailgraph[19:50:51] <knoba> Dominian: "mailgraph" : a graphical statistics tool for postfix. See: http://mailgraph.schweikert.ch/[19:51:14] <Phoenixz> Dominian: sounds interresting.. :) Basic idea is that I can see what email account is doing this, and then take some action on it (basically, I'll block it until further notice)[19:51:18] <Phoenixz> I'll look into those, thanks![19:54:19] <rob0> !postfwd[19:54:19] <knoba> rob0: "postfwd" : http://postfwd.org/ : A Postfix policy daemon to combine complex restrictions in a ruleset. See also http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_POLICY_README.html[19:55:03] <rob0> You don't just trigger an alert with postfwd/policyd; you actually block the spam.[19:55:26] *** wald00 has quit IRC[19:56:18] <Dominian> postfwd, yes that's the one I was thinking of .. thanks rob0[19:57:02] <Phoenixz> Thanks rob0! Could it also start some external script? I'd also need to send out notifications etc. so that we can followup on it..[20:02:30] *** RayS has quit IRC[20:05:24] *** RayS has joined #postfix[20:08:31] *** m1nish has quit IRC[20:08:42] <wolfmitchell> if I'm going to set up dovecot along with postfix, should I configure postfix as a null client? (using sample config from http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client )[20:09:23] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[20:09:32] <rob0> Phoenixz: Not directly, but you could possibly have a policy service send the notification.[20:09:44] <Dominian> wolfmitchell: what is your goal?[20:10:04] *** RayS has quit IRC[20:10:04] <rob0> wolf, doesn't sound like it, but ... maybe.[20:10:15] <wolfmitchell> Dominian, just to set up a mail server on my VPS[20:10:29] <wolfmitchell> accessible via IMAP to read, smtp to send[20:11:09] <rob0> That does not sound like a null client.[20:11:15] <rob0> !nullclient[20:11:15] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[20:11:40] <wolfmitchell> mmk[20:11:43] <rob0> oh, but again, I guess it could be[20:12:01] *** junixbr has quit IRC[20:12:02] *** RayS has joined #postfix[20:12:12] <rob0> too vague a description of the goal[20:13:22] <wolfmitchell> well, I want to use Postfix to send mail via smtp and to receive I'll use dovecot with imap[20:15:06] <rob0> !imap[20:15:06] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[20:16:18] <wolfmitchell> ah[20:16:43] <rob0> If your mail is hosted elsewhere, perhaps what you want is getmail + Dovecot + !nullclient_software[20:17:13] <rob0> (no Postfix in that list)[20:17:15] *** TheJH has quit IRC[20:17:26] <wolfmitchell> to configure postfix so I can send mail from a different server via smtp, do I have to set up the computers as relays?[20:17:32] <wolfmitchell> erm[20:17:38] <wolfmitchell> put them in relay_domians[20:18:29] <wolfmitchell> rob0, ^[20:18:47] *** TheJH has joined #postfix[20:21:24] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[20:21:44] *** cloq has joined #postfix[20:23:17] <cloq> hey there, a semi-related question: what do common mail clients usually display when a self-signed certificate is replaced by a trusted one? are there any complications with that procedure in some clients? (Outlook tends to behave annoyingly)[20:23:38] <cloq> I'm giving a heads-up to the clients[20:24:04] <Dominian> I know with thunderbird it just uses it..[20:24:13] <Dominian> outlook SHOULD use it if it is a trusted source it knows about it[20:25:27] <cloq> okay then, I'll just write something generic about a possibility of some security warning appearing[20:26:39] *** m1nish has joined #postfix[20:33:40] <adaptr> instead of that, why not distribute the certificate so they can import it ?[20:38:25] <cloq> the cost is adequate for the additional comfort[20:38:55] *** thoraxe has quit IRC[20:38:58] <cloq> also, I remember some of the recent version of Outlook being unable to shut about the self-signed certificate even after I imported it everywhere I could[20:39:07] <cloq> shut up*[20:40:01] <cloq> that one doesn't have its own CA, it seems to be too much for Outlook[20:40:22] <adaptr> every certificate has a CA[20:43:14] <cloq> if I open it up in some viewer, there isn't anything else present in the field where it usually shows certificate hierarchy (root -> intermediate -> cert)[20:43:20] <cloq> what does it mean then?[20:43:50] <thumbs> without a CA, that's fine.[20:45:05] <cloq> well that's what I thought as well[20:45:25] <adaptr> cloq: that means it's self-signed, and ergo is its own CA.[20:50:27] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[21:07:59] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[21:11:13] *** junixbr has joined #postfix[21:48:50] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[21:51:06] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[21:55:26] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[21:57:24] *** wdp has joined #postfix[21:57:25] *** wdp has joined #postfix[22:04:28] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[22:07:22] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[22:10:07] *** Quadro has quit IRC[22:22:38] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[22:22:40] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[22:23:19] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[22:23:58] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[22:25:30] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[22:32:18] *** smue has quit IRC[22:35:01] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[22:41:56] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:44:51] *** smue has joined #postfix[22:46:02] *** on1ald has quit IRC[23:03:53] *** err-or has quit IRC[23:04:07] *** stljim has joined #postfix[23:04:18] *** err-or has joined #postfix[23:09:43] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[23:10:40] *** junixbr has quit IRC[23:12:03] *** danblack has joined #postfix[23:12:10] *** mibofra has quit IRC[23:20:19] *** ffiore has quit IRC[23:22:01] *** stljim has quit IRC[23:23:27] *** UQlev has quit IRC[23:35:47] *** danblack has quit IRC[23:39:09] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[23:52:54] *** stljim has joined #postfix