June 18, 2013 
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June 18, 2013 [00:00:46] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[00:00:52] <TheAvatar> "If an empty list of MXs is returned, the address is treated as if it was associated with an implicit MX RR, with a preference of 0, pointing to that host. If MX records are present, but none of them are usable, or the implicit MX is unusable, this situation MUST be reported as an error."[00:01:05] <TheAvatar> is that what you are referring to? I am not sure how to understand that part though[00:01:44] <adaptr> no, that is not what I was referring to. that is what the postfix option refers to.[00:01:47] *** mibofra has quit IRC[00:01:57] <adaptr> and it's not relevant to you - or anybody, for that matter[00:02:16] <adaptr> the RFC is plain: it must result in an error[00:02:46] <adaptr> however, I suspect you also lack sufficient understanding of the DNS to grok the full implications.[00:02:55] <adaptr> a simple example might be example.com IN MX 10 1.2.3.4[00:03:14] <adaptr> that is invalid for SMTP, but not invalid in DNS. it fits the above description.[00:03:53] <TheAvatar> ye, since the target must be a fqdn[00:04:13] <TheAvatar> "the RFC is plain: it must result in an error", "it" being?[00:04:27] <adaptr> the above RR entry, for example.[00:07:27] *** tmberg has joined #postfix[00:07:55] *** danblack has joined #postfix[00:16:28] *** echelog has joined #postfix[00:18:04] *** RayS has quit IRC[00:18:29] <adaptr> as I've said, I'm not interested in convincing you of a standard that has worked for 30 years[00:19:03] <adaptr> if you want to learn more about it, I suggest reading the relevant RFCs, and maybe investigate DNS too. then read the postfix smtp(8) source code[00:20:04] <TheAvatar> if you say the smtp protocol is all good, I am not the one being wrong here really[00:20:34] <TheAvatar> the smtp protocol is old and flawed and has been for atleast 15 years - so having this as a flawed "feature" as well would not surprise me[00:21:49] <adaptr> I see.[00:22:24] <TheAvatar> a protocol allowing more than 75% of all content through the protocol being unwanted is not flawed?[00:22:43] <TheAvatar> do you seriously not see any problems with the smtp protocol at all?[00:23:32] <TheAvatar> maybe ipv4 is not flawed (security wise) to you either, or is that also a good working standard that worked just fine for more than 40 years?[00:24:20] *** niki has joined #postfix[00:28:37] <adaptr> you should probably take your ranting elsewhere[00:30:27] <TheAvatar> I guess some might consider it ranting, but the way you presented your answers to my questions were not straight-forward nice either. I did ask politely and curious. My qeustion regarding this behaviour is found illogical, which to me is the most interesting part now still remains unanswered[00:31:22] <adaptr> this channel is for postfix support. please try to keep things on topic[00:31:29] <TheAvatar> but I did not mean to offend you, but your responses did not really trigger my feeling of friendliness and helpfulness[00:31:44] <adaptr> I didn't ask you to help me[00:31:55] <TheAvatar> I know, but some people here do have general linux, networking, dns, smtp knowledge, and my question is/was very postfix related[00:32:10] <adaptr> I have a passing understanding of how email works. you lack some of the very rudimentary basics.[00:32:13] * wdp would like to help adaptr[00:32:25] * wdp thinks adaptr needs a hug.[00:32:26] <adaptr> wdp: 15-yo Springbank, please.[00:32:33] <TheAvatar> did I write anywhere that I wanted to help you, or that you needed help?[00:32:49] <adaptr> TheAvatar: please stop. this is going nowhere[00:32:53] <TheAvatar> I'd also say I have a fairly okay knowledge about how email works, but I still find this behaviour very illogical[00:34:13] <adaptr> I'd contend that you lack some fairly rudimentary basics.[00:34:13] <TheAvatar> if I transform it into a real life scenario, the mailman fails to find the mailbox for a letter with a given recipient, so the mailman guesses and puts it in a semi-random mailbox and hope that is just fine with the recipient that are likely to never receive the letter. The sender thinks everything is fine, because it was not returned with "unknown recipient"[00:34:27] <adaptr> again, your logic is severely flawed[00:34:32] <TheAvatar> adaptr, could you mention one of the basics I lack?[00:34:40] <adaptr> there is no randomness involved.[00:34:42] <wdp> TheAvatar, please, have that talk somewhere else.[00:35:02] <wdp> TheAvatar, this is #postfix not #i-need-friends nor #lets-discuss-about-smtp[00:35:26] <TheAvatar> why is my logic flawed? tell me why you think so, because I can't see why it makes sense to guess where to deliver mail, instead of using what the domain (DNS) administrator has provided. No matter if it is in the RFC or not[00:36:33] <adaptr> TheAvatar: I've all run out of patience with you for today. please feel free to ask if you have a postfix-related issue.[00:37:25] <TheAvatar> adaptr, fine - thanks for your inputs anyways. not quite what I came for, but I did learn something I didn't know (no MX, go look for A is really RFC), thanks for that. Have a nice day and thanks for your time[00:40:41] <Patrickdk> heh? you just now figured that out?[00:40:45] <Patrickdk> did you fail to read the rfc?[00:41:14] <adaptr> no, he thinks it's stupid, and he wants a better one.[00:41:37] <Patrickdk> I guess we could switch to srv records[00:41:51] <Patrickdk> _smtp._tcp.example.com?[00:42:06] <Patrickdk> _submission._tcp.example.com?[00:42:20] <adaptr> Patrickdk: please keep that out of this channel[00:42:38] * Patrickdk wonders off to make a postfix patch for that :)[00:53:17] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[00:54:35] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[01:02:00] *** tharkun has quit IRC[01:02:00] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[01:09:59] *** cilly has joined #postfix[01:13:32] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:20:21] *** danblack has quit IRC[01:31:18] *** danblack has joined #postfix[01:39:45] *** snearch has quit IRC[01:46:38] *** wald00 has quit IRC[01:46:59] *** danblack has quit IRC[01:53:06] *** danblack has joined #postfix[02:14:11] *** danblack has quit IRC[02:16:55] *** higuita has quit IRC[02:23:03] *** pajamian has joined #postfix[02:25:41] *** pj has quit IRC[02:32:32] *** danblack has joined #postfix[02:36:03] *** Austneal has joined #postfix[02:36:07] <Austneal> !tutorial[02:36:07] <knoba> Austneal: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[02:45:55] *** danblack has quit IRC[03:00:10] <Corey> !tell Austneal why[03:00:10] <knoba> Austneal: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[03:00:25] <Corey> Austneal: No disrespect intended, of course. :-)[03:00:52] <Austneal> Tbh, dovecot is the only thing thats given me any sort of trouble[03:01:06] <Austneal> Im a faster learner... but this is ridiculous >.<[03:01:25] <Corey> Austneal: mail is *hard*[03:01:40] <Austneal> Yeah.... I get that lol[03:01:47] <Austneal> but... have to learn sometime[03:18:21] *** Eagleman has joined #postfix[03:37:01] *** danblack has joined #postfix[03:49:38] *** slcres has quit IRC[04:02:38] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[04:08:31] *** pajamian is now known as pj[04:21:02] *** higuita has joined #postfix[04:30:58] *** Eagleman has quit IRC[04:36:47] *** causasui has quit IRC[05:01:59] *** gavimobile has quit IRC[05:09:09] *** Randomage has quit IRC[05:25:16] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[05:25:39] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[05:38:24] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[05:45:04] <Austneal> Would anyone here be interested in helping me with a postfix setup?[05:45:18] <Austneal> Ive got everything working... just new messages arent showing up[05:50:03] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[05:54:07] <Austneal> Anyone alive in here? :/[05:56:04] <Corey> Patience is a virtue.[05:56:18] <Corey> !tell Austneal welcome[05:56:18] <knoba> Austneal: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[05:56:21] *** magyar has quit IRC[05:56:33] <Austneal> Oh, hi Corey :P[05:58:09] <thumbs> !t Austneal corey[05:58:09] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "t" is not a valid command.[05:58:46] <Corey> FAIL![05:59:11] <thumbs> I shall teach her something special, just for you.[05:59:25] <Austneal> !hi[05:59:25] <knoba> Austneal: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.[05:59:27] <Austneal> >.<[06:02:00] <Austneal> well... im stumped[06:07:06] <Austneal> !help[06:07:06] <knoba> Austneal: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.[06:09:33] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:13:32] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:28:16] <Austneal> Ok, im aggravated enough for the night[06:28:24] <Austneal> thanks Corey[06:28:31] <Austneal> nn people[06:33:39] *** Austneal has quit IRC[06:36:31] *** causasui has joined #postfix[07:00:22] *** danblack has quit IRC[07:02:23] *** LeLutin has quit IRC[07:05:46] *** LeLutin has joined #postfix[07:13:06] *** danblack has joined #postfix[07:15:08] *** biggi_mat has joined #postfix[07:34:59] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[07:39:22] *** wald00 has quit IRC[07:40:29] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[07:47:12] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[07:52:30] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[07:58:07] *** eam has quit IRC[08:07:15] *** UQlev has quit IRC[08:24:12] *** Motoko has quit IRC[08:28:34] *** kiri has quit IRC[09:17:19] *** pppingme has quit IRC[09:24:59] *** pppingme has joined #postfix[09:29:01] *** jekle has quit IRC[09:30:13] *** d00 has joined #postfix[09:32:30] *** ffiore has joined 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*** Randomage has joined #postfix[12:04:37] *** Eagleman has joined #postfix[12:14:24] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[12:26:17] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:27:35] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[12:33:49] *** Bry8Star_ has quit IRC[12:39:06] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[12:40:02] *** gavimobile has joined #postfix[12:40:15] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[12:44:56] <gavimobile> I added smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, permit to my main.cf file. with telnet and try to send an email out using a false FROM: webmaster at asdasdasd dot com the mail still goes through, am I missing something[12:44:56] <gavimobile> ?[12:52:33] *** echelog has joined #postfix[12:52:36] <gavimobile> does this mean that if the sender is included in the permit_mynetworks than he won't be processed for the rest of my restriction process in my main.cf file?[12:53:38] <pj> no, permit_mynetworks has nothing to do with the sender.[12:55:19] <gavimobile> so would you know why my sender is NOT being blocked from the information I provided? please let me know if I can provide more information[12:55:36] <pj> again, it has nothing to do with the sender.[12:56:10] <gavimobile> im trying to make a sender restriction[12:56:43] <pj> permit_mynetworks is a client restriction, which happens to work in smtpd_sender_restrictions as well.[12:58:15] <pj> as the factoid and the docs state, permit_mynetworks checks the *client IP*.[12:58:22] <pj> this has nothing to do with the sender.[12:59:04] <gavimobile> ok, but in this article http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/postfix_restrictions for Number 4. Sender Restrictions it says[12:59:06] <gavimobile> "reject_non_fqdn_sender will reject email when the MAIL FROM address is not in fully-qualified domain form as required by the RFC. reject_unknown_sender_domain will reject email when the MAIL FROM address has neither a DNS A nor MX record, or when it has a malformed MX record such as a record with a zero-length MX hostname."[13:00:31] <gavimobile> applying this to my main.cf file, and when trying to send a message MAIL FROM:<webmaster at asedasdasdsad dot su>, the domain asedasdasdsad.su is not a fully qualified domain form as requred by the rfc, so my question is why am I still getting a message when specifying webmaster at asedasdasdsad dot su as the sender[13:00:39] <hparker> And that works fine when the sender isn't in permit_mynetworks before reject_non_fqdn_sender[13:03:19] <pj> [23:00] <hparker> And that works fine when the client IP isn't in permit_mynetworks before reject_non_fqdn_sender[13:03:25] <pj> hparker: I fixed that for you ^^^^[13:03:43] <hparker> ty[13:03:55] <hparker> Been a long night :P[13:04:26] <pj> yeah, well I just finished telling him that permit_mynetworks doesn't have anything to do with the sender, heh.[13:04:48] <hparker> heh[13:10:30] <gavimobile> pj: I see, so because the ip is in permit_mynetworks, so he isn't rejected.[13:11:05] <pj> gavimobile: yes[13:11:45] <pj> anyways, g2g[13:12:22] *** vicky888 has joined #postfix[13:12:40] *** cilly has joined #postfix[13:17:30] *** sandvige-away has joined #postfix[13:17:40] *** sandvige has quit IRC[13:29:04] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[13:29:36] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[13:29:36] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[13:31:43] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[13:35:52] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[13:38:07] *** vicky888 has quit IRC[13:41:36] <Fonzie> I have a postfix,postfixadmin,dovecot,amavis/spamassasin setup in Ubuntu, wich works fine. The only thing im missing is spam deliverd to a spam folder, instead of straight deletion. Any advice? :S[13:42:09] <lunaphyte_> you're deleting spam? that's awful[13:42:19] <lunaphyte_> !tell Fonzie sieve[13:42:19] <knoba> Fonzie: "sieve" : sieve is a language that can be used to create filters for email. see http://sieve.info/ , rfc 5228, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_(mail_filtering_language) for more info[13:42:26] <lunaphyte_> you never ever delete spam.[13:42:47] <Fonzie> lunaphyte_: Where does it go then? Not to my maildir location atleast.[13:42:56] <lunaphyte_> huh?[13:43:01] <lunaphyte_> what do you mean. you deliver it[13:43:20] <Fonzie> Where does Postfix/Dovecot put the mails that is recognized as spam or virus...[13:43:22] <Fonzie> localy[13:43:43] <lunaphyte_> postfix isn't involved[13:43:45] *** sandvige-away has quit IRC[13:44:09] <ds187> Fonzie: it delivers them, and just put the spam score into the header[13:44:11] <Fonzie> Postfix recieves the mail in the first place.. then deliver it locally to dovecot right?[13:44:21] <lunaphyte_> no[13:44:24] <Fonzie> hm[13:44:56] <lunaphyte_> postfix recieves it. postfix delivers to amavis. amavis judges the message and scores it. amavis delivers to dovecot.[13:44:58] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[13:45:07] <Fonzie> right[13:45:27] <lunaphyte_> you never, ever just delete spam.[13:45:28] <Fonzie> and how does dovecot handle emails tagged with spam or viruses?[13:45:41] <lunaphyte_> uh, did you not read the factoid i took the time to share with you?[13:45:51] <Fonzie> No, but i will :)[13:45:55] <lunaphyte_> you use sieve with dovecot[13:46:53] <Fonzie> Well, i havent implementet that kind to my installation atlleast[13:47:16] <Fonzie> And when i send viruses, they are not arriving in any of mail maildirs[13:48:37] <lunaphyte_> viruses are a little different[13:48:58] <lunaphyte_> they should be quarantined and looked at for approval by the mail admin[13:49:17] <Fonzie> hm[13:49:35] <Fonzie> What about maildrop? Maybe this one affect those spam emails?[13:50:12] <lunaphyte_> sounds to me like you need to get much more familiar with howyour email system works. maybe your mail admin can help.[13:50:35] <Fonzie> Indeed. Ive setup this myself..[13:50:35] *** tharkun has quit IRC[13:50:39] <Fonzie> So no admin to contact ;)[13:56:28] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[13:59:05] <Fonzie> amavis says "Blocked BANNED" bla bla bla, and then postfix says discarded.[13:59:14] <Fonzie> So that mail is not saved to any folder ..[14:01:32] <lunaphyte_> fail[14:01:47] <Fonzie> heh[14:18:31] <Fonzie> How can you say postfix isnt affecting that kind? Its clearly stated that postfix isnt delivering to to dovecot:[14:18:37] <Fonzie> Jun 18 14:16:37 mail postfix/smtp[10160]: F280F401467: to=<torgeir at torgeir dot us>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.07, delays=0.01/0/0/0.06, dsn=2.7.0, status=sent (250 2.7.0 Ok, discarded, id=02866-12 - BANNED: application/x-msdownload,.asc,attached.()bat)[14:20:01] *** sandvige-away has joined #postfix[14:20:09] <lunaphyte_> i already told you postfix doens't deliver to dovecot[14:20:13] <lunaphyte_> *doesn't[14:20:32] <lunaphyte_> [07:44am] lunaphyte_: postfix recieves it. postfix delivers to amavis. amavis judges the message and scores it. amavis delivers to dovecot.[14:21:03] <ds187> lunaphyte_: should't, if postfix and amavisd are set up correctly :-)[14:21:28] <lunaphyte_> doesn't. as we can celarly see.[14:21:34] <lunaphyte_> *clearly[14:21:47] <Fonzie> Well, ok. But i havent set anything in main.cf that tells postfix to just discard those mails.[14:21:56] <lunaphyte_> you need to listen.[14:22:03] <ds187> lunaphyte_: ah ok, you where relating to that example....i thought you mean in general[14:22:04] <lunaphyte_> postfix is not discarding anything[14:22:12] <Fonzie> I want it deliverd with spam tagged headers, so i can filter dem[14:22:30] <ds187> Fonzie: then tell amavis[14:22:33] *** sandvige has quit IRC[14:22:36] <lunaphyte_> then configure amavis properly[14:22:41] <waldi> Fonzie: you obviously don't know what you configured. disable it immediately until you know what you are doing[14:23:17] <Fonzie> waldi: i know what i configured, the rest is default.. So i need to find out what to change where :)[14:23:45] *** sandvige-away has quit IRC[14:24:33] <lunaphyte_> um, it's important to understand the difference between default and preconfigured settings you're given by whoever you got the software from...[14:24:54] <Fonzie> Ubuntu repositories gave me the software ..[14:25:44] <lunaphyte_> there is only one "default". that is the state in which th software is provided by the AUTHORS. that's it. nothing else. if you are not getting the software from the authors, then it's unlikely [unfortunately] that you're using any defaults.[14:26:15] *** grknight has joined #postfix[14:26:18] <Fonzie> guh[14:26:30] <lunaphyte_> anyway, read the instructions for amavis, then you can configure it as desired.[14:26:47] <ds187> and it's important to understand how the different parts of your mailserver interact[14:26:49] <Fonzie> Okay[14:26:55] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[14:27:38] <lunaphyte_> right now, as you can clearly see from the log entry, amavis is deleting the message[14:28:30] *** sandvige has quit IRC[14:29:29] <Fonzie> lunaphyte_: It confuses me, becase regarding to the log i pasted its postfix/smtp that did the discard.[14:29:39] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[14:30:52] <lunaphyte_> no it's not.[14:31:12] <lunaphyte_> and the log messages doesn't indicate that.[14:33:35] <lunaphyte_> the log entry simply says it delivered the message, and that the message was successfully accepted by the other side [status=sent][14:33:36] <ds187> Fonzie: you read the message wrong......it comes from the relay in answer to postfix's attempt to send the mail to it[14:34:16] <lunaphyte_> you can see right in the log entry that amavis discarded it. (250 2.7.0 Ok, discarded, id=02866-12 - BANNED: application/x-msdownload,.asc,attached.()bat)[14:35:02] <Fonzie> uh[14:35:12] <Fonzie> Gah.. i should seperate this logs :S[14:35:27] *** Eagleman has quit IRC[14:35:56] *** Eagleman has joined #postfix[14:36:22] <Fonzie> $final_virus_destiny = D_DISCARD; # (defaults to D_BOUNCE)[14:36:22] <Fonzie> $final_banned_destiny = D_DISCARD; # (defaults to D_BOUNCE)[14:36:22] <Fonzie> $final_spam_destiny = D_DISCARD; # (defaults to D_REJECT)[14:36:28] <Fonzie> am i going in the right direction? :P[14:36:38] <ds187> nope :-)[14:36:43] <Fonzie> sigh[14:37:00] <ds187> you want to search for SCORE or something like that[14:37:21] <Fonzie> You refering to the spamassasin header tags?[14:37:51] <Fonzie> I tag anything above score -9999. That means all emails.[14:40:00] <lunaphyte_> you can't separate those logs.[14:40:18] <Fonzie> Ok.[14:40:25] <lunaphyte_> it's postfix logging what some other component told it in response to mail delivery.[14:40:33] <lunaphyte_> anyway, join #amavis.[14:40:38] <Fonzie> Will :)[14:40:38] <lunaphyte_> that's for help with amavis[14:40:45] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[14:41:05] <lunaphyte_> and yes, you are going in the right direction with those amavis settings. but it's off topic here :)[14:42:56] <lunaphyte_> also -9999 does not mean all mails[14:43:05] <lunaphyte_> undef means all mails[14:44:47] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[14:47:46] <Fonzie> ok[14:48:34] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[14:49:04] <Fonzie> Ill set them to bounce instead of discard? :D[14:51:57] <UQlev> Fonzie, spammers will love you[14:52:38] <lunaphyte_> nope[14:52:58] *** schrodinger has quit IRC[14:54:34] <Fonzie> grr[14:55:05] <grknight> i use amavisd-milter so i set everything to REJECT on high scores and quarantine on medium scores[14:55:38] <lunaphyte_> that's better, but still not truly proper.[14:55:54] *** sandvige has quit IRC[14:57:47] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[14:59:18] <Fonzie> grknight: i have amavisd-milter installed, but cant really find any configuration files for it.[14:59:30] *** schrodinger has joined #postfix[14:59:57] <lunaphyte_> /join #amavis[15:00:08] <Fonzie> lunaphyte_: Its a dead channel.[15:00:18] <Fonzie> This is related to postfix to be honest.[15:00:22] <lunaphyte_> nope[15:00:24] <ds187> nope[15:00:31] <Fonzie> Its postfix integration.[15:00:39] <lunaphyte_> for amavis related discussion, use #amavis[15:00:56] <lunaphyte_> people who want to talk about amavis are there[15:01:05] <Fonzie> or maybea #amavis-new-on-ubuntu-12-04[15:01:20] <lunaphyte_> people who aren't there don't want to talk about amavis [obviously, or they would be there][15:01:43] *** wald00 has quit IRC[15:02:35] *** UQlev has quit IRC[15:02:42] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:06:50] *** whoami has quit IRC[15:12:42] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[15:13:15] *** whoami has joined #postfix[15:21:30] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[15:22:22] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[15:23:17] *** Zerberus has quit IRC[15:23:24] *** Zerberus has joined #postfix[15:25:23] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:28:10] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[15:28:28] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[15:31:13] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[15:31:25] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[15:38:14] *** whoami has quit IRC[15:38:22] *** whoami has joined #postfix[15:41:50] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[15:42:06] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[15:42:42] <patdk-wk> postfix intergration is how to connect amavis to postfix, not how to configure amavis[15:45:55] *** mechanicalduck_ has joined #postfix[15:46:00] *** wdp has joined #postfix[15:46:38] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[15:47:51] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[15:47:52] <jelly> how do I configure openldap to keep my unix accounts and mails and passwords in ldap, btw mails are handled by postfix!!!!one[15:48:22] <patdk-wk> ask #openldap?[15:48:25] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[15:48:36] <patdk-wk> what is up with all the off-topicness today?[15:49:28] *** Randomage has quit IRC[15:49:53] <tuxick> it's a broken question anyway[15:50:18] <tuxick> the answer might be "pam"[15:51:22] <patdk-wk> never really liked pam[15:51:25] <patdk-wk> she just isn't my type[15:51:47] <wdp> yeah, she looks old without makeup.[15:52:06] <jelly> also, even she has limits[15:53:08] <ds187> but still pluggable *duck*[15:57:38] <adaptr> a DUCK in the FACE[16:03:02] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[16:03:54] *** mechanicalduck_ has quit IRC[16:04:50] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[16:05:47] *** Uranio has left #postfix[16:10:59] *** CybrFyre has joined #postfix[16:13:10] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[16:13:24] *** Jarris has joined #postfix[16:17:43] *** Jarris has quit IRC[16:21:39] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[16:27:51] *** Blacklite has quit IRC[16:29:43] *** Blacklite has joined #postfix[16:33:47] <CybrFyre> any reason running newaliases.postfix spaws off a postdrop command (which then, unsurprisingly, best I can tell, hangs waiting for stdin) instead of a postaliases ?[16:34:12] <adaptr> a broken system. that's a reason.[16:34:25] <adaptr> any reason newaliases is not simply called newaliases ?[16:34:41] <adaptr> this smells of sendmail-remnancy[16:34:44] <CybrFyre> I have both sendmail and postfix on there...[16:34:51] <adaptr> yes. get rid of sendmail.[16:34:54] <lunaphyte_> sounds like an alternatives thing[16:34:55] <CybrFyre> I can certainly attempt to make a "newalises" link to newalises.postfix[16:35:04] <adaptr> no. get rid of sendmail. it can. not. work.[16:35:10] <lunaphyte_> why would you have two mtas installed?[16:35:16] <jelly> CybrFyre: I bet the silly command checks its argv0![16:35:30] <CybrFyre> jelly - checks for what?[16:35:42] <lunaphyte_> its invocation[16:35:42] <CybrFyre> calling postfix.newalises evidently spawns postdrop -r[16:35:43] <jelly> for it being called "newaliases"[16:35:52] *** gpkfr has joined #postfix[16:37:25] <CybrFyre> hunh[16:37:32] *** zekoZeko has joined #postfix[16:37:40] <CybrFyre> wonder why it doesn't check for either invocation[16:37:48] <lunaphyte_> you wouldn't just run postfix.newalises anyway period[16:37:50] *** sandvige has quit IRC[16:38:04] <CybrFyre> why wouldn't I just run postfix.newaliases (instead of newaliases) ?[16:38:14] <CybrFyre> or is that not what you meant?[16:38:28] <zekoZeko> hello everyone, how can I make lmtp only use username as recipient? currently it's sending username@myhostname which dovecot doesn't know what to do with (system users)[16:38:34] <jelly> CybrFyre: because it doesn't work correctly when invoked that way?[16:38:39] <lunaphyte_> CybrFyre: what os is this?[16:38:44] <CybrFyre> rhel6[16:38:45] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[16:39:01] <lunaphyte_> do they use the alternatives system?[16:39:09] <jelly> the only distro I've seen to use the update-alternatives feature to make multiple MTAs coinstallable[16:39:16] <jelly> lunaphyte_: yes.[16:39:26] <CybrFyre> they do[16:39:38] <adaptr> get rid of sendmail. update-alternatives. done.[16:39:48] <lunaphyte_> it's given that name for the purpose of the alternatives system. not for people to run weirdly named programs manually[16:39:55] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[16:39:55] <lunaphyte_> don't run two mtas[16:40:39] <jelly> or just stop sendmail, disable the service and update-alternatives. If you get rid of it, the alternatives system will automatically set up the remaining MTA commands as active.[16:40:47] <patdk-wk> zekoZeko, maybe you didn't understand lmtp?[16:41:02] <lunaphyte_> !tell zekoZeko welcome[16:41:03] <knoba> zekoZeko: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[16:41:13] <jelly> there's no need to update-alternatives manually if sendmail is removed properly[16:41:13] *** magyar has joined #postfix[16:41:15] <zekoZeko> patdk-wk: i understand LMTP...[16:41:32] <lunaphyte_> no, you don't[16:41:45] <lunaphyte_> or you'd not be trying to remove the domain name[16:41:57] <zekoZeko> patdk-wk: i used swaks to test sending directly to Dovecot LMTP socket and it works when the recipient is "username". Postfix sends mail with "username@myhostname"[16:42:04] <CybrFyre> ok. that explains it. Thanks[16:42:06] <lunaphyte_> that's wrong[16:42:36] <lunaphyte_> you fix it by configuring dovecot to properly accept a proper recipient address. you don't fix it by trying to configure postfix to munge recipient addresses.[16:42:45] <zekoZeko> ok[16:42:59] <patdk-wk> I can't locate anywhere in lmtp, where username is valid, without the domain[16:43:33] <adaptr> it isn't. its requirements are identical to SMTP.[16:43:35] <patdk-wk> and lmtp says, anything undefined in lmtp is done via smtp standards[16:43:42] <zekoZeko> what i meant with "i know lmtp" is that i know how it works more or less, i'm not as familiar with it to know whether it requires FQ addresses :)[16:43:59] <adaptr> zekoZeko: email requires fully-qualified addresses.[16:44:25] <lunaphyte_> oh, heh. no, then you wouldn't say "i understand lmtp" :)[16:44:28] <patdk-wk> I know lmtp, means you should be able to pass a test with 80% correct[16:44:39] <patdk-wk> I have basic lmtp understanding, is what you described[16:44:48] <zekoZeko> yeah ok[16:44:52] <zekoZeko> kick me when i'm down :)[16:44:55] <adaptr> it means you should be able to recite the RFC verbatim with less than 3 errors![16:45:04] <patdk-wk> :)[16:45:09] <adaptr> doesn't it ?[16:48:01] <zekoZeko> oh well, i never had to really get myself intimately aquainted with LMTP, this is the first time i've had such a problem.[16:49:49] <zekoZeko> considering it's for local delivery it might as well work with just the username (as it does), i tend not to learn useless information (like an entire RFC) until i need it :)[16:49:55] <zekoZeko> but i obviously will now :)[16:50:19] <patdk-wk> heh? the entire rfc is like 2 pages[16:50:34] <zekoZeko> as i've said, never had to read it.[16:50:34] <patdk-wk> there really isn't anything about it that is different from smtp mostly[16:50:37] <zekoZeko> so i wouldn't know.[16:50:43] <zekoZeko> that i know.[16:51:00] <zekoZeko> anyway[16:51:13] <zekoZeko> off reading dovecot docs, will be back later[16:53:26] <zekoZeko> there we go[16:53:31] <zekoZeko> auth_username_format = %n[16:53:38] <lunaphyte_> local just means "not across the internet"[16:53:47] <lunaphyte_> it doesn't mean the localpart of email addresses[16:54:06] <zekoZeko> local means mailbox_transport[16:54:09] <zekoZeko> in this case[16:54:18] <lunaphyte_> oh, that's dumb too[16:54:24] <lunaphyte_> use relay_domains[16:54:44] <zekoZeko> why?[16:54:53] <lunaphyte_> it's the right way[16:54:59] <zekoZeko> to do what?[16:55:04] <lunaphyte_> lmtp to dovecot[16:55:12] <lunaphyte_> postfix isn't calling an lda[16:55:53] <zekoZeko> except we also use .forward[16:56:11] <lunaphyte_> what for?[16:56:17] <zekoZeko> but yeah, have to check if anyone is using it at all[16:56:23] <patdk-wk> if your using dovecot lmtp you should never use .forward[16:56:25] <lunaphyte_> sieve can do that, i believe[16:56:31] <lunaphyte_> yeah[16:56:33] <zekoZeko> i know sieve can do it[16:56:39] <zekoZeko> you have to understand this is not a new setup[16:56:42] <lunaphyte_> ah, good[16:56:48] <lunaphyte_> not really, no.[16:56:48] <zekoZeko> but moving an old installation that has lots of baggage[16:57:01] <lunaphyte_> we don't worry about that stuff. that's just for you :)[16:57:08] <zekoZeko> :)[16:58:47] <zekoZeko> thanks for the lmtp lesson learned, gotta go :)[16:59:01] <lunaphyte_> sure thing. have fun[16:59:13] *** zekoZeko has left #postfix[17:01:29] *** sandvige-away has joined #postfix[17:03:29] *** sandvige has quit IRC[17:16:20] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[17:19:06] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[17:23:24] *** gpkfr has quit IRC[17:24:09] *** sandvige has joined #postfix[17:26:19] *** sandvige-away has quit IRC[17:30:41] *** stljim has joined #postfix[17:30:58] *** s0ber has quit IRC[17:33:52] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[17:36:01] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[17:40:46] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[17:57:42] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:59:08] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:04:49] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[18:05:53] 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I configured it according to https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze#sph_configure-postfix-to-work-with-mysql also, when I use mailx to try to send a email with it, there is no sign of it being sent,,,[23:15:07] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[23:23:55] *** RayS has quit IRC[23:24:59] <Patrickdk> !nologs[23:24:59] <knoba> Patrickdk: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[23:25:32] <Patrickdk> as for linode.com, I have no idea how accurate they are[23:25:34] <Patrickdk> !tutorial[23:25:34] <knoba> Patrickdk: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[23:26:11] <Patrickdk> since your using linodes tutorial, maybe you should contact them for support?[23:29:23] <wolfmitchell> .-. mmk[23:38:13] *** stljim has quit IRC[23:49:42] <wolfmitchell> Is relay_domains a list of users that can connect to send mail?[23:54:32] <rob0> !relay_domains[23:54:32] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes[23:55:00] <rob0> so, no.