June 16, 2013 
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I then want to log in to an upstream server with different SASL details accordingly.[11:09:34] <mc0e> just found sender_dependent_default_transport_maps, which gets me half way there.[11:19:56] <pj> !tell mc0e smtpd_sender_login_maps[11:19:56] <knoba> mc0e: "smtpd_sender_login_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup table with the SASL login names that own sender (MAIL FROM) addresses.[11:20:11] <pj> oh, sorry, wrong one[11:20:51] <pj> anyways, what you want is going to be in here...[11:20:55] <pj> !clientsasl[11:20:56] <knoba> pj: "clientsasl" : a way to have your Postfix authenticate at your relayhost. See: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl[11:21:32] <pj> mc0e: ^^^^^^[11:22:21] <mc0e> ok, thanks. will have a read.[11:26:44] <mc0e> pj: looks spot on. thankyou.[11:33:58] *** ced117 has quit IRC[11:44:40] *** cite has quit IRC[11:48:50] *** cite has joined #postfix[11:51:08] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[11:55:36] *** cite has quit IRC[11:59:11] *** cite has joined #postfix[12:00:13] *** Eagleman has joined #postfix[12:00:34] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[12:09:43] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[12:19:47] *** Eagleman has quit IRC[12:25:29] *** spY|da_ has quit IRC[12:25:44] *** spY|da has joined #postfix[12:31:07] <mc0e> OK, My understanding of my problem is evolving. http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl_sender tells me how to set SASL auth details based on the sender address, but that's presumably using the SMTP envelope sender. IS there a way to do it based on the From MIME header?[12:51:50] <pj> mc0e: not easily, postfix doesn't generally care about the content of the email.[12:52:01] <pj> the appropriate thing is to use the envelope sender anyways.[12:52:26] <pj> if you're trying to use the From: header you're probably doing it wrong.[12:53:56] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[12:56:01] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[12:57:42] <mc0e> What I'm trying to do is to correctly send mail from multiple domains through sendgrid. Sendgrid does all the DKIM signing on the way through. I have to authenticate with sendgrid using different details depending on the sending domain.[12:58:08] <mc0e> I'd expected that for DKIM signing to work right, that would have to be the MIME From domain. But what I'm seeing now says otherwise[12:59:05] <mc0e> I seem to be able to send mail and get a DKIM signature based on the envelope address, and on receipt, google mail seems to be happy with it, even if the From header is something entirely unrelated.[12:59:24] <mc0e> which seems contrary to the purpose of DKIM.[13:00:25] <mc0e> eg wikipedia's statement: The need for this type of validated identification arose because spam often has forged addresses and content. For example, a spam message may claim in its "From:" header field to be from sender at example dot com, when it is not from that address, and the spammer's goal is to convince the recipient to accept and to read the email. Because the email is not from the example.com domain, complaining there is[13:07:45] <Zerberus> mc0e: yes, the envelope sender information counts[13:27:25] *** Guest02377-50092 has quit IRC[14:12:54] *** mc0e has quit IRC[14:20:39] *** pajamian has joined #postfix[14:22:22] *** pj has quit IRC[14:27:51] *** mc0e has joined #postfix[14:39:04] *** doubingb1n has quit IRC[14:48:42] *** trusktr has quit IRC[14:53:47] *** lisak has joined #postfix[14:57:12] <lisak> hey, if I send a message from postfixA -> smartHost postfixB -> smartHost postfixC -> exchange and only postfixC does MX lookup[14:57:22] <lisak> if postfixC fails to deliver[14:57:34] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[14:58:13] *** bolt has quit IRC[14:58:41] <lisak> it doesn't let postfix A and B know about it, what it does it sends a message to the return path[14:58:52] <lisak> or envelopeFrom ?[14:59:44] <lisak> so that postfixA and postfixB don't log anything unless return-path of the undelivered message aims to them[15:01:02] <lisak> is that correct ?[15:01:04] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:04:56] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[15:09:21] *** soosfarm1 has quit IRC[15:10:30] *** ncp has quit IRC[15:11:08] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:11:08] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:12:08] *** ncp has joined #postfix[15:12:37] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[15:14:40] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:14:40] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:15:06] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[15:15:31] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[15:15:34] *** mibofra has quit IRC[15:21:20] *** garo has joined #postfix[15:23:15] *** garo has left #postfix[15:24:54] *** ced117 has quit IRC[15:36:45] <jelly-home> lisak: yes, previous nodes in the path don't know or care about the nondelivery message[15:37:12] <lisak> jelly-home, but I can see tons of status=deferred logs on postfixB[15:37:28] <lisak> even though it is set to smartHost mode i think[15:37:56] <lisak> I can even see status=expired and status=bounce logs[15:37:57] <jelly-home> then your interpretation is not correct[15:38:25] <lisak> does it mean that these messages didn't go via postixC but were delivered directly ?[15:38:52] <jelly-home> it's hard to say anything without looking at logs for a particular message and the configuration for that machine[15:40:56] <lisak> there is empty relayhost =[15:40:58] <jelly-home> !welcome[15:40:58] <knoba> jelly-home: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[15:41:49] *** webguynow has quit IRC[15:45:08] *** soosfarm_ has joined #postfix[15:45:31] *** grknight has joined #postfix[15:52:00] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[16:08:35] *** jax has joined #postfix[16:08:37] <jax> hello[16:08:52] <jax> i just upgraded postfix, now i'm getting relay access denied when trying to send mail to my submission service on port 587[16:09:24] <jax> my smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject[16:09:26] <jax> in master.cf[16:09:51] <waldi> jax: you upgraded to what version?[16:10:07] *** tharkun has quit IRC[16:10:19] <waldi> did you run "postfix upgrade-configuration"?[16:10:20] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[16:10:24] <jax> no[16:10:32] <jax> i upgraded to postfix 2.10.0[16:10:34] <waldi> what does the documentation tell you?[16:11:19] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[16:11:21] <jax> ah[16:11:22] <jax> ;)[16:11:36] <waldi> and now read the release notes[16:11:47] <jax> sorry, we upgraded tons of software, missed the release notes for that[16:14:43] *** ced117 has quit IRC[16:15:16] <jax> thanks a lot[16:16:49] *** jax has left #postfix[16:22:43] *** Bronze has joined #postfix[16:23:58] *** snearch has quit IRC[16:30:00] *** NightTrain has quit IRC[16:32:23] *** mc0e has left #postfix[16:36:59] <lisak> btw those message IDs , postfix/qmgr[6273]: AD37A3FC255: from=[16:37:21] <lisak> how much can one count on their uniqueness ?[16:37:24] <lisak> AD37A3FC255[16:38:17] <waldi> you can't[16:38:36] <waldi> they are unique during the lifetime of a message[16:38:40] <lisak> is it some sort of hash based on a few pieces of information ?[16:39:03] <waldi> !enable_long_queue_ids[16:39:03] <knoba> waldi: Error: "enable_long_queue_ids" is not a valid command.[16:39:07] <lisak> so that it can happen that 3 different messages have the same ID[16:39:18] <lisak> on one postfix[16:39:20] <waldi> read the documentation about enable_long_queue_ids[16:40:42] <lisak> it says Postfix queue IDs are reused (always with Postfix <= 2.8; and with Postfix >= 2.9 when enable_long_queue_ids=no).[16:40:54] <lisak> so if I have postfix 2.9+ and enable_long_queue_ids=yes[16:41:28] <lisak> I'll get unique ids for the entire postfix db lifetime[16:45:58] <lisak> + The[16:45:59] <lisak> probability for reusing a deleted queue ID[16:45:59] <lisak> is about 1 in 2**15 (the number of different[16:45:59] <lisak> microsecond values that the system clock can[16:45:59] <lisak> distinguish within a second).[16:46:31] <lisak> 1 in 2**15 ?[16:54:39] <lisak> does it mean 2 power of 15 ?[16:54:46] *** Eagleman has joined #postfix[16:54:55] <lisak> :) I can live with this probability[16:56:07] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[16:56:29] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[17:03:31] *** lisak has quit IRC[17:06:58] *** lisak has joined #postfix[17:07:48] *** niki has quit IRC[17:21:15] *** niki has joined #postfix[17:45:47] *** Blacklite has quit IRC[17:46:35] *** Blacklite has joined #postfix[18:44:08] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[18:54:11] *** ced117 has quit IRC[19:04:23] *** bolt has joined #postfix[19:15:18] *** Randomage has joined #postfix[19:17:48] *** Verilium_ has quit IRC[19:17:58] *** Verilium has joined #postfix[19:24:09] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[19:27:54] *** wdp has quit IRC[19:35:25] *** Blinkiz has joined #postfix[19:38:30] <Blinkiz> Hello. I will start a migration to a new mailserver (dovecot->dovecot) and have in front a backupmx and spamrelay postfix. I want postfix to send all mailboxes I have moved to the new server but continue deliver to the ones I still not yet have moved. I currently have a transport_maps which says mydomain.com relay:[mail.mydomain.com]. Can I also add email addresses here?[19:39:00] <lunaphyte> please don't use other people's domain names in your examples. it's inconsiderate.[19:39:03] <Blinkiz> send all mailboxes. I mean.. Send all emails to the new inboxes on the new server[19:39:10] <lunaphyte> see man 5 transport for instructions[19:42:44] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[19:43:32] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, thanks, found my answers in that file[19:43:48] <lunaphyte> god deal[19:43:50] <lunaphyte> *good[19:45:01] *** weedar has joined #postfix[19:46:11] *** nado has joined #postfix[19:46:16] <nado> hi[19:46:22] <Blinkiz> lunaphyte, one more question.. I can see how postfix do the table search order.. If it gets a hit on myname at example dot com, will it also deliver to my example.com line?[19:46:55] <Blinkiz> First I have more specific rules, then the general... example.com... line..[19:47:01] <lunaphyte> tias :)[19:47:30] <nado> I have a qusestion, whats the difference in the main.cf between smtp_* and smtpd_* options ?[19:47:53] <lunaphyte> !smtp!=smtpd[19:47:53] <knoba> lunaphyte: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)[19:48:52] <nado> wow, thx, frequently asked question as i see[19:53:45] <nado> i have saslauthd -a shadow started, but i get thes messages, i dont understand, why does it search in a berkeley db if a told it to compare with shadow ?[19:53:48] <nado> Jun 16 19:51:55 Loki postfix/smtpd[25802]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory[19:53:51] <nado> Jun 16 19:51:55 Loki postfix/smtpd[25802]: warning: SASL authentication failure: no secret in database[19:54:01] <lunaphyte> why are you using cyrus?[19:55:26] <nado> uh, dont know, its been a while. I want to use smtp to send mail via my mail server in a safe way[19:55:40] <nado> before, i sent a sendmail command locally via ssh[19:55:42] <lunaphyte> use dovecot, not cyrus[19:55:47] <Zerberus> nado: you have your cyrus-sasl not properly configured to use saslauthd, thus the fallback to the default sasldb[19:56:01] <nado> oh, ok[20:01:13] *** ced117 has quit IRC[20:05:41] *** weedar has quit IRC[20:06:13] *** weedar has joined #postfix[20:11:29] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[20:19:11] *** grknight has quit IRC[20:25:35] *** khem__ has quit IRC[20:25:53] *** khem_ has joined #postfix[20:35:31] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[20:35:48] *** weedar has quit IRC[20:36:27] *** weedar has joined #postfix[20:45:57] *** weedar has quit IRC[21:05:25] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[21:05:25] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[21:21:44] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[21:29:43] *** Uninstall has quit IRC[21:30:18] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[21:30:18] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[21:38:20] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[21:38:20] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[21:56:39] *** nutron has joined #postfix[22:00:29] *** garo has joined #postfix[22:00:39] *** garo has left #postfix[22:00:57] *** trusktr has joined #postfix[22:21:45] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[22:25:09] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[22:29:46] *** ced117 has quit IRC[22:48:22] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:00:54] *** UQlev has quit IRC[23:06:04] *** Blinkiz has quit IRC[23:08:53] *** _marix has quit IRC[23:09:18] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[23:13:59] *** _marix has joined #postfix[23:15:11] *** s0ber has quit IRC[23:15:43] *** {pj}^A__ has joined #postfix[23:17:09] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[23:19:05] *** pajamian has quit IRC[23:23:29] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[23:23:31] *** Bronz_ has joined #postfix[23:24:09] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[23:24:16] *** Bronz_ has quit IRC[23:25:54] *** fireglow has quit IRC[23:39:07] *** {pj}^A__ has quit IRC[23:39:34] *** pj has joined #postfix[23:55:59] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[23:57:06] *** fireglow has joined #postfix