June 14, 2013 
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June 14, 2013 [00:00:46] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[00:05:40] *** grknight has joined #postfix[00:06:59] *** mibofra has quit IRC[00:09:36] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[00:09:36] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[00:20:57] *** danblack has joined #postfix[00:23:20] *** p3rror has quit IRC[00:32:27] <lapache> Hello, i configure postfix for externalise local users mails but, and this not a postfix problem, the hosts are in a lan an the smtp return me "sender's domain rejected" because myorigin is my hostname. Is there a tips for bypass this ISM smtp restriction ? If not it seems to be possible to get sender real hostname through "message-id" attribute ...[00:51:50] <adaptr> I couldn't understand most of that[00:52:15] <adaptr> can you show logs (in a pastebin) of what you see that you think is wrong ?[01:00:46] <rob0> I guess you'd need to change your sender addresses to something the other host will accept.[01:01:22] <adaptr> domain, even[01:01:30] <adaptr> isn't that in !basic ?[01:01:50] <lapache> host smtp.free.fr[212.27.48.4] said: 550 5.1.8 <root at deb0 dot bissy>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to MAIL FROM c[01:02:01] <lapache> ommand))[01:02:26] <thumbs> quite explicit, innit?[01:02:35] <adaptr> lapache: yes, that is, indeed, not a valid domain[01:03:14] <lapache> i know im looking for a tip for bypass this[01:03:38] <adaptr> you don't "bypass" anything. you supply a valid - or at least acceptable - sender domain[01:04:58] <lapache> you're right, i don't bypass anything, well what is 'acceptable' sender domain ?[01:05:17] <adaptr> one that actually exists[01:05:54] <thumbs> bum-tish[01:06:03] <rob0> Do you know how email works?[01:06:14] <adaptr> seriously, I did not think i'd have to explain that one[01:06:18] <rob0> Back up a bit and start with:[01:06:21] <rob0> !goal[01:06:21] <knoba> rob0: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[01:06:25] <jelly-home> that domain reminds me both of rob0 and of debussy[01:06:35] <thumbs> degrassy?[01:06:41] <jelly-home> deknoll.[01:06:53] <adaptr> denali[01:07:01] <thumbs> you're in denali.[01:07:07] <adaptr> INORITE[01:07:12] <jelly-home> go w; look[01:07:20] <rob0> I was too young to handle a high-powered rifle in November of 1963.[01:07:31] <lapache> adaptr: thank you[01:07:31] <adaptr> so you say[01:07:34] <rob0> And I can probably come up with an alibi.[01:07:47] <adaptr> it was the butler[01:08:03] <thumbs> [in the kitchen][01:08:20] <thumbs> rob0: and no, don't trigger /ib[01:08:31] <jelly-home> if I've learned anything from Red Dwarf, it was that JFK did it. A time machine may have been involved.[01:08:32] *** ncp has quit IRC[01:09:40] <jelly-home> but really, lapache's users should use valid, existing sender addresses[01:10:30] <rob0> I ask for !goal because it could be that a mere !nullclient is needed.[01:10:56] *** wald00 has quit IRC[01:12:26] *** ncp has joined #postfix[01:13:22] <adaptr> I tend to not go there; people get so testy when you suggest that they maybe should not be running a full-blown MTA[01:13:38] *** dimitry7 has joined #postfix[01:13:40] <thumbs> adaptr: bah, you love to provoke them as such[01:13:43] <adaptr> of course, once it has become ridiculously obvious, I will[01:13:48] <adaptr> thumbs: only if it's obvious[01:13:59] <dimitry7> Hello Guys, How can I check an mail that was not delivered in postfix? thank you[01:14:13] <rob0> OTOH, people who want to run a MTA really do need to know a bit about how email works.[01:14:15] <dimitry7> I want to see which one was not delivered and send it[01:14:18] <adaptr> thumbs: I have found that people's inventiveness when describing email problems far exceeds that of, say, apache[01:14:25] <rob0> !tell dimitry7 logs[01:14:25] <knoba> dimitry7: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. You can usually find them with ls /var/log/mail* otherwise something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /path/to/syslog_config_file should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung[01:14:37] <adaptr> thus ensuring that a large percentage are completely unintelligible gobbledigook[01:14:49] <dimitry7> rob0, yes I know that logs, but how do I know it was not delivered?[01:14:52] <adaptr> lapache started out thusly[01:15:31] *** nihe has quit IRC[01:15:38] <dimitry7> How do I know in the logs that the mail was not delivered?[01:15:48] <dimitry7> there is no tag that says: NOT DELIVERED[01:15:49] <rob0> dimitry7, if you need help understanding your logs, provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and "postconf -n" output.[01:16:41] <adaptr> dimitry7: that is not a provable status when email is in transit[01:16:43] <rob0> Yes, it will say in more or less plain language, what was done with it.[01:17:24] <adaptr> !tell dimitry7 dsn[01:17:24] <knoba> dimitry7: "dsn" : Delivery Status Notifications as described in RFC 3464, first implemented in Postfix 2.3 - See: http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html[01:17:31] <adaptr> maybe he means that[01:17:53] <rob0> look for "status=" on the final postfix/<whatever> log, where "<whatever>" is the transport used.[01:18:16] <dimitry7> rob0, http://pastebin.com/EvEwaEPC[01:18:20] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[01:18:21] <adaptr> heh. he won't know the significance of "final"[01:18:23] <dimitry7> rob0, that is my log[01:19:04] <rob0> that's all amavisd.[01:19:13] <riceandbeans> what is amavisd?[01:19:30] <adaptr> !tell riceandbeans amavisd[01:19:31] <knoba> riceandbeans: "amavisd" : see !amavisd-new[01:20:49] <dimitry7> rob0, amavisd?[01:20:59] <dimitry7> rob0, the antivirus[01:22:36] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[01:23:01] *** nihe has joined #postfix[01:23:02] <dimitry7> rob0, it's because of amavix?[01:23:06] <dimitry7> * amavis[01:23:14] <adaptr> jeebus.[01:24:48] <dimitry7> rob0, there is no such string as status=[01:25:45] <rob0> Right. I was talking about Postfix logging, because this is the #postfix channel.[01:26:14] <dimitry7> my postfix logs are in /var/log/mail[01:26:30] <thumbs> that's wonderful.[01:26:59] <dimitry7> so? how can I check if it was not delivered?,[01:27:42] <adaptr> ...wow, really ?[01:27:47] *** riceandbeans has quit IRC[01:28:36] <dimitry7> adaptr, are you going to help?[01:29:21] <dimitry7> adaptr, are you?[01:29:37] <dimitry7> adaptr, what is the point in saying stupid comments?[01:29:40] <adaptr> you have yet to show a postfix problem[01:29:44] <rob0> um, stop[01:29:53] <rob0> dimitry7, stop.[01:30:05] <dimitry7> adaptr, I am showing it, if you are not going to help then shut the fuck up[01:30:15] <rob0> First lose the sense of entitlement. Next, if you ...[01:30:21] <dimitry7> adaptr, use ur time doing sth else[01:30:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rob0[01:30:39] <dimitry7> I was asking properly, this guy started the talk[01:30:39] <rob0> mode +q $a:dimitry7[01:30:44] <dimitry7> ja[01:30:52] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[01:30:53] *** rob0 sets mode: +q $a:dimitry7[01:31:25] <rob0> No. That won't do here, sorry.[01:31:36] <adaptr> wow, that was unexpected[01:32:00] <lapache> He was not good enough ...[01:32:18] <rob0> As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted: Next, if you have a Postfix problem you want help with, show Postfix logs.[01:32:26] <adaptr> lapache: it has nothing to do with that. his behaviour is not acceptable. simple.[01:34:01] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[01:37:12] *** dimitry7 has left #postfix[01:37:18] *** adaptr has quit IRC[01:37:25] *** papalopudus has joined #postfix[01:39:07] *** papalopudus has quit IRC[01:39:43] *** RayS has quit IRC[01:39:53] *** dimitry7 has joined #postfix[01:43:36] *** rob0 sets mode: +b-q $a:dimitry7 $a:dimitry7[01:43:47] *** dimitry7 was kicked by rob0 (be gone)[01:44:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o rob0[02:05:28] *** adaptr has joined #postfix[02:08:01] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[02:08:30] *** freezey has joined #postfix[02:16:10] *** RayS has joined #postfix[02:56:10] *** Ulver has joined #postfix[03:34:54] *** freezey has quit IRC[03:49:26] *** bkfitz has joined #postfix[04:15:36] *** danblack has quit IRC[04:28:08] *** danblack has joined #postfix[04:32:52] *** grknight has quit IRC[04:53:19] *** bkfitz_ has joined #postfix[05:16:55] *** bkfitz has quit IRC[05:28:19] *** nutron has quit IRC[05:56:32] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[05:59:48] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[06:12:04] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:13:20] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:38:05] *** danblack has quit IRC[06:45:18] *** danblack has joined #postfix[07:12:00] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[07:12:05] *** danblack has quit IRC[07:14:17] *** dragonheart is now known as danblack[07:28:10] *** laner has quit IRC[07:37:47] *** UQlev has quit IRC[07:50:01] *** aarcane has quit IRC[08:05:02] *** on1ald has quit IRC[08:05:58] *** laner has joined #postfix[08:08:25] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[08:08:28] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[08:19:20] *** RadoQ has quit IRC[08:26:01] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[08:26:19] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[08:53:54] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[08:57:00] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[09:02:03] *** Praise- has joined #postfix[09:03:29] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[09:03:40] *** Praise has quit IRC[09:04:42] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:07:15] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:08:49] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:20:31] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[09:21:39] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[09:22:29] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:32:08] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[09:32:21] *** kli0rf has quit IRC[09:33:03] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[09:36:03] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:40:24] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[09:42:12] *** magyar has quit IRC[09:42:38] *** magyar has joined #postfix[09:42:38] *** magyar has joined #postfix[09:43:32] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:46:19] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[10:09:18] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[10:11:34] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[10:14:19] *** ffiore has quit IRC[10:18:51] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:22:32] *** cilly has left #postfix[10:26:44] *** pajamian has joined #postfix[10:28:56] *** Olive6767 has joined #postfix[10:29:30] *** Zethrok_ has quit IRC[10:29:51] *** pj has quit IRC[10:30:13] *** Zethrok has joined #postfix[10:31:49] *** magyar has quit IRC[10:32:31] *** Olive67 has quit IRC[10:33:33] *** magyar has joined #postfix[10:43:18] *** p3rror has quit IRC[10:44:07] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[10:47:15] *** RadoQ has joined #postfix[10:50:30] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[11:23:41] *** D-Boy has left #postfix[11:23:41] *** D-Boy has joined #postfix[11:25:49] *** jgm_away is now known as jgm[11:26:46] *** D-Boy has quit IRC[11:27:05] *** yezariaely has quit IRC[11:36:42] *** danblack has quit IRC[11:37:10] *** averagecase has joined #postfix[11:37:26] *** danblack has joined #postfix[11:39:42] *** lisak has joined #postfix[11:40:50] <lisak> could please anybody tell me how would the http://www.postfix.org/header_checks.5.html entry look like if I wanted to log some piece of information from the header ?[11:41:28] <lisak> ^Return-Path: (.*)-recipient/ INFO "how to get hold of something from the regexp" ?[11:42:07] <lisak> the regex group[11:42:31] <danblack> try \1[11:42:55] <UQlev> lisak: be careful with headers fields, "Return-Path" is not presented in original message[11:43:20] <danblack> sorry $1 - man 5 pcre_table[11:43:29] <lisak> I put it there using verp, to the original outgoing message[11:43:47] <danblack> or ${1} like the example[11:44:02] <lisak> I guess it remains there until the lifetime[11:46:23] *** D-Boy has joined #postfix[11:50:24] <lisak> problem is I can't even make the logging work .. I have verified that the return path header is really there, but /^Return-Path:.* / WARN yeaahh[11:50:27] <lisak> does nothing[11:50:39] *** coredumb has left #postfix[11:50:47] <lisak> using header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/maps/header_checks[11:52:20] <lisak> works for /^Subject: .* / WARN yeaahh[11:52:21] <lisak> though[11:53:04] <sysmonk> lisak: how did you verify the return path header?[11:53:33] <lisak> from the recieved email[11:53:46] <lisak> right in my mail box[11:54:12] <sysmonk> so, you don't know if by the time the header checks are done the return path header exists[11:54:17] <sysmonk> so you did not verify it correctly[11:55:23] <lisak> I modified it right at the message creating by a javaMail, do you think that in the mean time it might not be present ?[11:55:29] <lisak> its localhost postfix - > remote postfix -> remote postfix -> target[11:57:25] <sysmonk> if i were you i'd make sure if the header _really_ exists when it comes to the posfix (whichever one you run the header_checks on)[11:57:36] <sysmonk> tcpdump, or debug mode, or anything else[12:10:13] <lisak> sysmonk, regarding logging I found property debug_peer_level[12:10:24] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[12:10:24] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[12:10:31] <lisak> but otherwise I can't find a way of increasing log level[12:10:53] <sysmonk> !debug[12:10:53] <knoba> sysmonk: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[12:24:19] *** danblack has quit IRC[12:24:30] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[12:42:43] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:49:04] *** ncp has quit IRC[12:49:12] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[12:49:12] *** mibofra has joined #postfix[12:49:27] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[12:51:06] *** ncp has joined #postfix[13:19:39] <_bt> hi guys[13:20:48] <lisak> sysmonk, in the debug log, there is everywhere from=<the string I put to the return path header>[13:21:07] <_bt> is spamassassin+clamav+amavis still a good method for inbound mail scanning? or are there newer alternatives?[13:22:46] <sysmonk> lisak: so, from=<string> is not the same as header "Return-path:"[13:22:58] <lisak> sysmonk, it is[13:23:03] <lisak> the same[13:25:19] <lisak> sysmonk,[13:25:20] <lisak> http://pastebin.com/SHqXfPYj[13:25:27] <lisak> liska+12345-recipient=fg.cz at fg dot cz[13:25:59] <sysmonk> it's NOT a header[13:27:12] <lisak> in the debug log there is[13:27:14] <lisak> Jun 14 11:53:20 jlinb postfix/cleanup[11882]: 419F9667B3: warning: header Subject: Testing Subject from localhost[127.0.0.1]; from=<liska+12345-recipient=fg.cz at fg dot cz> to=<liska at fg dot cz> proto=ESMTP helo=<jlinb>: yeaahh[13:27:46] <lisak> at the end there is yeaahh[13:27:50] <pajamian> _bt: amavisd-new + SA + clamav is still part of a good anti-spam solution. I recommend that in combination with other measures as well. One such being postscreen.[13:27:53] <lisak> ^Return-Path: .* / WARN yeaahh[13:28:35] <sysmonk> lisak: the warn in the log is for 'subject' header check probably[13:28:39] <sysmonk> the one you mentioned before[13:28:43] <_bt> pajamian: thanks. i've not heard of postscreen before, but was also thinking postgrey.[13:28:58] <sysmonk> but it does _not_ contains a Return-path header, at least you have not managed to show it does contain it[13:29:07] <pajamian> _bt: you don't really need postgrey if you enable the after_220 checks in postscreen[13:29:09] <lisak> sysmonk, I removed it from header_checks and run /etc/init.d/postfix reload[13:29:10] *** averagecase has quit IRC[13:29:14] <pajamian> !tell _bt postscreen[13:29:14] <knoba> _bt: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html[13:29:29] <_bt> pajamian: thanks, i'll read up[13:29:36] <lisak> I guess I can't find it in the debug log[13:29:36] <pajamian> _bt: yw[13:29:48] <lisak> I have to use tcpdump[13:29:54] <pajamian> _bt: you may also want to look at this, it's older but still relevant advice...[13:30:00] <pajamian> !tell _bt cheatsheet[13:30:00] <knoba> _bt: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.[13:30:22] *** pajamian is now known as pj[13:32:22] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[13:32:58] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[13:35:44] *** RayS has quit IRC[13:45:06] <lisak> sysmonk, mg, this works /^Return-Path:.* / WARN YEAH[13:45:08] <lisak> this does not /^Return-Path: .* / WARN YEAH[13:45:26] <lisak> the space after return path[13:45:44] <lisak> although it was logging /^Subject: .* / WARN yeaahh[13:45:45] <lisak> before[13:45:52] <lisak> that has the space there[13:50:35] *** wald00 has joined #postfix[13:53:41] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[13:57:02] *** danblack has joined #postfix[14:00:16] *** damyan^ has quit IRC[14:02:09] *** redspike has joined #postfix[14:02:36] <lisak> well it works now, it's logging http://pastebin.com/yC0Gx5VW[14:04:25] *** p3rror has quit IRC[14:11:19] *** damyan^ has joined #postfix[14:12:21] *** danblack has quit IRC[14:20:04] *** davlefou_ has joined #postfix[14:22:18] *** davlefou has quit IRC[14:22:51] <survietamine> !providers[14:22:51] <knoba> survietamine: Error: "providers" is not a valid command.[14:24:08] <survietamine> !esp[14:24:09] <knoba> survietamine: "esp" : Email Service Provider[14:29:56] *** grknight has joined #postfix[14:31:10] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[14:36:21] <survietamine> hello, someone is asking me which is "recommendable" for gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.. alternative that should respect his privacy[14:37:04] <adaptr> I doubt this is the right channel to ask. find some reviews online, I would suggest[14:37:54] *** wald00 has quit IRC[14:39:41] *** ffiore has joined #postfix[14:54:19] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[14:55:27] <survietamine> adaptr: ok, you're right, people in this channel host themself :)[15:00:40] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[15:05:19] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:15:34] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:21:17] *** trifler has joined #postfix[15:22:54] <trifler> Howcome I can send an email with mail -s `echo $USER` mymail at mymail dot com < /file/in/ascii/format but not a file that is in ISO-8859-1 ?[15:24:04] <loops> trifler: probably your LANG= environment variable set to utf8?[15:24:21] <trifler> en_US.UTF-8[15:24:47] <loops> yes... set it to LANG=en_US.iso88591[15:25:44] <loops> trifler: or better yet translate the document to UTF8 and then send it :o)[15:26:35] <adaptr> trifler: "mail" is not a postfix components[15:26:39] <trifler> I convertet the file from ISO to ASCII (which worked) but to utf8 didnt. Not the conversion itself but recieving the e-mail.[15:27:32] <trifler> LANG didn't help.[15:27:36] <adaptr> trifler: "mail" is not a postfix component[15:27:43] <adaptr> try a Linux or MIME-centric channel[15:29:04] <loops> trifler: odd... but if you already tried converting that document to utf8 and it failed, i suspect there is something wrong with it[15:29:33] <loops> trifler: because converting from 8859-1 to utf-8 shouldn't be a problem[15:45:21] *** staticsafe has quit IRC[15:45:39] *** staticsafe has joined #postfix[15:53:50] *** Rubicon has joined #postfix[15:54:33] *** Rubicon has left #postfix[15:56:22] *** wmrubiconnuclear has joined #postfix[15:56:39] <wmrubiconnuclear> !welcome[15:56:39] <knoba> wmrubiconnuclear: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[15:56:53] <wmrubiconnuclear> !topic[15:56:53] <knoba> wmrubiconnuclear: "topic" : The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and postconf -n output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix[15:57:31] <wmrubiconnuclear> !debug[15:57:31] <knoba> wmrubiconnuclear: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post information including NON-verbose logs in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[15:57:53] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:13:26] *** freezey has joined #postfix[16:15:23] *** wmrubiconnuclear has quit IRC[16:17:21] *** Nothing4You is now known as Evil4You[16:30:12] *** Evil4You is now known as Nothing4You[16:35:58] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[16:46:46] *** rotbeard has quit IRC[16:57:31] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[17:07:18] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[17:12:17] <adaptr> has anybody fixed mailgraph to show postscreen rejects, or more general, show all postscreen stats in a separate graph ?[17:19:33] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:47:31] *** Tormin has quit IRC[17:47:32] *** whoami has quit IRC[17:47:32] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[17:47:32] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[17:47:32] *** pppingme has quit IRC[17:47:33] *** madduck has quit IRC[17:47:33] *** Mp5shooter has quit IRC[17:47:35] *** vizz has quit IRC[17:47:37] *** tomocha66 has quit IRC[17:47:39] *** frank____ has quit IRC[17:47:39] *** fasta has quit IRC[17:47:41] *** tjikkun has quit IRC[17:47:43] *** Cybertinus has quit IRC[17:47:44] *** fiQ^ has quit IRC[17:47:44] *** tomocha66 has joined #postfix[17:47:45] *** twobitha1ker has joined #postfix[17:47:55] *** fasta has joined #postfix[17:48:07] *** Cybertinus has joined #postfix[17:48:18] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[17:48:51] *** whoami has joined #postfix[17:49:26] *** pppingme has joined #postfix[17:52:23] *** Tormin has joined #postfix[17:53:01] *** Verilium_ has joined #postfix[17:53:29] *** chrisq_ has joined #postfix[17:53:38] *** Verilium has quit IRC[17:53:38] *** damyan^ has quit IRC[17:53:47] *** tmberg_ has joined #postfix[17:54:21] *** madduck has joined #postfix[17:54:23] *** mactimes has quit IRC[17:54:52] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[17:56:30] *** madduck is now known as 18VABA35A[17:57:08] *** chrisq has quit IRC[17:57:09] *** amboss has quit IRC[17:57:18] *** tmberg has quit IRC[17:57:20] *** frank__ has joined #postfix[17:57:22] *** MacWinner has joined #postfix[17:57:27] *** 18VABA35A is now known as madduck[17:57:35] *** Mp5shooter has joined #postfix[17:57:35] *** Mp5shooter has joined #postfix[17:57:51] *** amboss has joined #postfix[17:59:34] *** damyan^ has joined #postfix[18:01:51] *** mactimes has quit IRC[18:03:22] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[18:04:10] *** vizz has joined #postfix[18:04:11] *** vizz has joined #postfix[18:14:31] *** freezey has quit IRC[18:16:51] *** tmberg_ is now known as tmberg[18:40:23] *** bkfitz has joined #postfix[18:40:49] <jelly-home> if I wanted to configure dovecot sasl auth and dovecot auth socket is on a remote machine available via tcp, what would I put in smtpd_sasl_path? postconf(5) isn't exactly forthcoming on this, neither is http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL[18:42:09] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[18:43:54] *** bkfitz has quit IRC[18:44:13] <jelly-home> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_sasl_enable on the other hand is more helpful.[18:44:16] *** bkfitz has joined #postfix[18:44:31] <jelly-home> smtpd_sasl_path = inet:127.0.0.1:12345[18:47:16] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:56:19] *** ffiore has quit IRC[19:01:40] *** bal has joined #postfix[19:02:10] *** lisak has quit IRC[19:09:59] *** koshie has quit IRC[19:10:22] *** koshie has joined #postfix[19:11:23] *** ncp has quit IRC[19:13:02] *** koshie has quit IRC[19:13:10] *** koshie has joined #postfix[19:13:28] *** ncp has joined #postfix[19:18:35] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:18:56] *** davlefou_ has left #postfix[19:45:09] *** Uranio has quit IRC[19:46:20] *** koshie has quit IRC[19:48:37] *** staticsafe has quit IRC[19:48:54] *** staticsafe has joined #postfix[19:50:56] *** bal has quit IRC[20:22:28] *** Praise- is now known as Praise[20:26:24] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[20:30:40] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[20:30:41] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[20:31:57] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[20:33:03] <adaptr> ha! I know your port.[20:33:10] <adaptr> I shall now hackit[20:33:22] <tuxick> you're evil[20:33:34] <tuxick> i shall now report you to teh authoritah[20:33:37] <rob0> !adaptr[20:33:37] <knoba> rob0: "adaptr" : The smiting hand (or actually, small shell script) of #postfix. Not to be trusted.[20:34:06] <tuxick> don't spoil it, or i'll be forced to report you as well[20:34:28] <rob0> Report away. I am teh authoritah![20:34:32] <tuxick> ;p[20:34:51] <adaptr> NOBODY EXPECTS - oh bugger it[20:36:13] *** riceandbeans has joined #postfix[20:36:25] <riceandbeans> I'm having issues with postfix as a smarthost[20:36:51] <riceandbeans> I fixed almost all my issues and I'm down to what I think is the last one[20:36:59] <riceandbeans> it won't send emails[20:37:23] <riceandbeans> relay=none, delay=34034, delays=34034/0.02/0/0.06, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)[20:38:20] <adaptr> that's a fairly major issue[20:38:43] <riceandbeans> Jun 14 11:39:50 prod-mx postfix/smtp[32636]: connect to ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[173.194.79.26]:25: Connection timed out[20:38:44] <adaptr> why did yuo feel the need to alter postfix's mail delivery system?[20:39:00] <adaptr> oh, you can't run an MTA at all. okay[20:39:08] <riceandbeans> what?[20:39:35] <adaptr> if you cannot connect to remote SMTP servers, you cannot run an MTA. it's not rocket science.[20:39:50] <riceandbeans> I think it's a NAT issue[20:40:04] <riceandbeans> my laptop can hit that SMTP server, but my postfix server can't[20:40:09] <adaptr> so you're NOT having issues with postfix. okay.[20:40:13] <riceandbeans> our firewalls aren't stopping it[20:40:20] <adaptr> excellent, let us know how it goes[20:40:25] <riceandbeans> sure[20:40:25] <adaptr> riceandbeans: obviously, they are[20:40:47] <riceandbeans> adaptr: I think google is actually stopping it[20:40:48] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[20:41:01] <riceandbeans> we had a blacklisted SMTP server at one point[20:41:16] <adaptr> its' not a postfix issue[20:41:22] <riceandbeans> positive?[20:41:54] <adaptr> it's not a postfix issue[20:42:02] <riceandbeans> I already had to slap the network guy around some and he swore up and down it's not the firewall[20:42:20] <adaptr> don't make us complicit in your sexual transgressions, please.[20:45:52] *** bkfitz has quit IRC[20:46:13] *** jwing has joined #postfix[20:46:14] *** jwing has joined #postfix[20:48:12] <rob0> Is the problem gmail/google only, or is it your outbound 25 blocked?[20:50:40] <rob0> Try (from the Postfix machine of course) to connect to various known port 25 services. Look up MX hosts for a few domains you know.[20:54:17] *** krisfremen has quit IRC[20:58:35] *** krisfremen has joined #postfix[21:02:58] *** wdp has joined #postfix[21:04:25] <riceandbeans> rob0: port 25 to another machine in the network works[21:07:42] <rob0> heh. "In the network" isn't much of a test, is it?[21:07:56] <rob0> Did you do what I suggested?[21:08:36] * jelly-home kicks debian, multiinstance and pcre in the shins[21:12:27] <jelly-home> postmulti -i postfix-roaming -x postmap -q "something" pcre:/etc/postfix-roaming/header_checks # fails[21:12:35] <jelly-home> postmap -q "something" pcre:/etc/postfix-roaming/header_checks # works[21:15:42] <jelly-home> http://paste.debian.net/10438/[21:17:31] <jelly-home> and the question is, how do I figure out what's missing in the postfix-roaming instance and make pcre_table work there as well?[21:25:25] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[21:34:48] *** damyan^ has quit IRC[21:34:58] *** skopii has joined #postfix[21:35:26] *** damyan^ has joined #postfix[21:38:26] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[21:39:03] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[21:40:18] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[21:41:35] *** Uranio has joined #postfix[21:42:30] *** Uranio has quit IRC[21:45:24] *** tmberg has quit IRC[21:46:28] *** cnu- has quit IRC[21:49:34] *** mactimes has quit IRC[21:52:43] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[21:53:02] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[21:53:22] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[21:56:22] *** Section1 has quit IRC[21:59:40] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:00:10] <tharkun> jelly-home: psotmulti -i postfix-roaming -x postconf -m[22:00:42] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[22:01:28] * jimpop wonders wth postfix-roaming is[22:03:22] <jelly-home> an instance name[22:03:24] <tharkun> jimpop: man postmulti|less +/" -i"[22:04:08] <jelly-home> tharkun: it's missing alright http://paste.debian.net/10448/[22:04:40] *** cnu- has quit IRC[22:05:14] <jimpop> tharkun: -bash: man: command not found[22:05:19] <jimpop> ;-)[22:05:33] <jimpop> but i do now understand[22:05:36] <jimpop> ty[22:06:09] * tharkun suspects jimpop is using Centos ;P[22:06:10] <jelly-home> the default instance, however, lists pcre[22:06:34] <jimpop> tharkun: never, ever[22:06:58] <jimpop> i always uninstall everything not necessary[22:07:43] <jelly-home> diff -u <(postmulti -i postfix-roaming -x postconf -m) <(postconf -m) shows NONE of the loadable module tables from /usr/lib/postfix/ are present[22:07:51] <tharkun> jimpop: We can all keep the secret. It is ok. Sometimes we just need a solution[22:08:18] <jimpop> ;-)[22:08:27] <jelly-home> http://paste.debian.net/10449/ # diff[22:09:38] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[22:10:59] <jelly-home> I see postmulti basically just sets up a couple of env.vars.[22:12:23] <tharkun> jelly-home: Have you tested your environment isues on an upstream build?[22:15:49] <tharkun> j[22:16:18] *** jarif has quit IRC[22:18:00] *** jarif has joined #postfix[22:20:02] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:20:10] <jelly-home> are there upstream builds available?[22:21:14] *** qdrrmt has joined #postfix[22:21:32] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[22:24:36] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[22:25:13] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[22:27:04] *** sniffell1 has quit IRC[22:29:09] <jelly-home> found the cause, it's a bug in debian's packaging of the patched in feature of dynamically loaded maps. They only ever enable a newly installed map in the default instance.[22:29:52] <jelly-home> it's a nice feature that seems to work, but the multi-instance support in the packaging seems sloppy[22:30:27] <jelly-home> tharkun: thanks for the help![22:31:29] <jelly-home> this can't possibly be portable across distros[22:31:35] <jelly-home> + if (!dl)[22:31:35] <jelly-home> + msg_fatal("%s: unsupported dictionary type: %s: Is the postfix-%s package installed?", myname, dict_type, dict_type);[22:32:53] * jelly-home works around it with a well placed symlink :-|[22:34:51] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[22:36:48] *** riceandbeans has quit IRC[22:36:58] *** cnu- has quit IRC[22:39:14] *** nutron has joined #postfix[22:41:32] *** cnu- has joined #postfix[22:45:33] *** bungalo has quit IRC[22:45:55] *** bungalo has joined #postfix[22:48:02] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[22:50:46] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[22:51:17] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[22:51:17] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[22:55:00] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[22:55:10] *** grknight has quit IRC[23:04:18] <tharkun> jelly-home: file a bug against postfix on debian so lamont can take a look at it and fix it.[23:04:45] <jelly-home> nod[23:10:08] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[23:12:46] *** mechanicalduck has joined #postfix[23:13:24] *** mechanicalduck has quit IRC[23:21:34] <adaptr> the whole "dynamic map" thing is utterly useless to begin with. you KNOW what map types you need.[23:21:54] <adaptr> debitchy should keep its grubby fingers off the upstream source.[23:24:34] <jelly-home> no, I don't know, and I don't need mysql libs installed until I decide I actually need them.[23:25:05] <adaptr> "installed" ?[23:25:43] <jelly-home> ?[23:26:07] <adaptr> oh, all it does is warn you[23:26:12] <adaptr> yeah, that's even sillier[23:26:24] <adaptr> you IKNOW what map types you need. so you build postfix with support for those.[23:26:57] <jelly-home> if I wanted to build software for configuration change, I'd have stayed with qmail[23:27:26] <adaptr> well, qmail isn't functional without ridiculuos patching. I would not dare compare it to postfix[23:27:53] <adaptr> wait, you used qmail ? sory, that should have been:[23:27:55] <adaptr> HAHAHAHAHAHAH[23:27:58] <jelly-home> and yet you're suggesting the exact same approach[23:28:22] <adaptr> how is "build the software with the support you require" the same as "patch the source with random stuff until it works"?[23:28:47] <jelly-home> almost exactly the.[23:28:59] <adaptr> ffs. stop trolling.[23:29:27] <jelly-home> It's not me that's trolling.[23:30:28] <jelly-home> pretending you're unaware of binary-based linux distros, that's more trollish[23:31:13] <adaptr> you're a master manipulator, boy. I'm not playing the game though. ignored.[23:31:27] <jelly-home> your last 8 minutes of text in this channel have been completely useless, dude[23:32:40] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[23:32:47] *** Asterfield has joined #postfix[23:33:12] <Asterfield> Who wants to help a newbie work out a postfix setup that doesn't feel like working?[23:34:42] <UQlev> Asterfield, usually here people ask particular questions. For complete job you better hire someone[23:34:57] <Asterfield> UQlev: Oh dear :([23:35:28] <Asterfield> Well, even so, here's my postconf -n, if anyone notices anything obvious on it, I'd be happy to hear http://pastebin.com/KAJesbcd[23:35:51] <jelly-home> Asterfield: you can start by reading the topic carefully and providing the requested information that goes with a particular symptom of "not working"[23:36:12] <adaptr> yeah, that's what you would pay a professional for.[23:36:23] <adaptr> !tell Asterfield welcome[23:36:23] <knoba> Asterfield: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[23:37:02] *** qdrrmt has quit IRC[23:39:51] <Asterfield> Okay, so, I've provided the pastebin of postconf -n as stated in the topic, and my definition of "not working" is "on `telnet domainname 25` I get connection refused". I understand that it might be a bit of a complex problem to solve, but if anyone would be willing to help anyway, I'd be grateful[23:40:20] <adaptr> complex ? it's astoundingly simple.[23:40:29] <adaptr> what happens if you use the IP instead ?[23:40:37] <adaptr> where are you doing this from ?[23:41:05] <Asterfield> From a remote machine or from the server, both have the same result[23:41:44] <adaptr> is postfix listening on that IP I told you to test ?[23:43:01] <Asterfield> You didn't say an IP, so I'm assuming you mean the server IP. I get connection refused for that too[23:43:14] <jelly-home> Asterfield: line 13, you have inet_interfaces = loopback-only, instead of telling it to listen on the public address (as well as loopback IP)[23:43:25] <adaptr> 23:40:29 adaptr . what happens if you use the IP instead ?[23:44:05] <Asterfield> jelly-home: I was told to do that by the guide I followed :P Should it be "all" instead?[23:45:08] <jelly-home> Asterfield: all would work as well, but if you have more IP addresses available, you might want to restrict it a bit and explicitely name just 198.199.88.83 127.0.0.1[23:45:18] <tharkun> Asterfield: man 5 postconf |less +/"^inet_interfaces"[23:48:44] <Asterfield> jelly-home: Even when I set inet_interfaces = all, it still gives me a "connection refused" :P[23:49:28] <adaptr> !tell Asterfield restart[23:49:29] <knoba> Asterfield: "restart" : There is no postfix restart command. There is postfix stop, postfix start, or postfix reload. Changes made to master.cf and some functional changes to main.cf will require a stop and a start in order to take effect. OR When edit thou thine master.cf, restarteth thou thine Postfix, lest ye die![23:49:41] <adaptr> that ^ would be one of those changes.[23:50:04] <Asterfield> sudo postfix reload[23:50:30] <Asterfield> Trying `postfix restart` would have errored on me, thus prompting me to realize my syntatic error[23:50:43] <tharkun> Asterfield: nope, postfix reload will not due,[23:50:57] <Asterfield> Reload doesn't actually reload?[23:51:13] <Asterfield> I actually have to run postfix stop && postfix start ?[23:51:13] <adaptr> Asterfield: did you READ what I just gave you ??[23:51:20] <Asterfield> adaptr: Yes I did[23:51:31] <tharkun> Yes, but this is one of those situations where you need to completely stop postfix AND start it again.[23:51:33] <adaptr> read it again, then.[23:51:40] <Asterfield> adaptr: Will do :)[23:51:59] <tharkun> To bind to lower ports you need root privilidges, those that postfix drops asap[23:53:30] <jelly-home> Asterfield: also, your distro may provide a service init script that actually has a "restart" command, even if the postfix command doesn't provide one[23:54:21] <Asterfield> jelly-home: Ah thank you :) systemctl restart postfix worked beautifully.[23:54:44] <Asterfield> I can connect now, all I have to figure out are mysql database silliness now :P[23:54:53] <Asterfield> Thank you for being so helpful and pleasant jelly-home :)[23:55:01] <tharkun> !tell Asterfield postmapq[23:55:01] <knoba> Asterfield: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.[23:55:44] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[23:55:47] <Asterfield> Thank you tharkun :) I'll have to give that a try after supper though, the call of food and all that :P[23:56:12] <jelly-home> .o/[23:57:28] <jimpop> \[23:58:05] *** mibofra has quit IRC[23:58:08] *** UQlev has quit IRC