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[01:55:00] <joelteon> does "User unknown in local recipient table" mean postfix is trying to send a message to a user that doesn't exist on the machine that postfix itself is running on?
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[01:57:54] <grknight> !tell joelteon unknown_local
[01:57:54] <knoba> joelteon: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
[01:58:48] <joelteon> ah, $mydestination is wrong
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[02:05:22] <joelteon> and what is causing "fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp"?
[02:06:17] <adaptr> you're running chrooted and the chroot does not have a services file.
[02:06:30] <adaptr> the question to ask is why are you running chrooted
[02:06:39] <joelteon> I don't know, I didn't do it on purpose
[02:06:49] <adaptr> ...and?
[02:06:54] <adaptr> !chroot
[02:06:54] <knoba> adaptr: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[02:06:56] <joelteon> how do I turn it off?
[02:06:58] <joelteon> oh
[02:11:46] <joelteon> it looks like it's still chrooted...this is my master.cf https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1dbd78136fa33c83786e
[02:11:57] <joelteon> have i missed something?
[02:14:25] <adaptr> have you restarted postfix ?
[02:14:46] <joelteon> yes, twice
[02:14:53] <adaptr> ... how
[02:15:07] <joelteon> service postfix restart
[02:15:20] <adaptr> and the log says...
[02:15:21] <grknight> joelteon: you still have items in line 33+ with chroot on. it may be best to turn them all off and get a working system. then, turn it on again to the previous settings (make a backup first) if so desired. postfix does not need a chroot as privileges are dropped to lower users for several processes
[02:15:34] <joelteon> okay
[02:16:28] <joelteon> ah, that did it
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[03:25:12] <joelteon> can I make $myhostname an IP address? this server doesn't have an FQDN yet, I'm planning to migrate to it eventually
[03:25:43] <lunaphyte> are you sure?
[03:25:47] <lunaphyte> there's no ptr record?
[03:25:50] <lunaphyte> usually there is
[03:26:08] <joelteon> hang on, I'll look
[03:27:43] <joelteon> ok I'm not sure how PTR records work...I have one for this server that points to joelt.io.
[03:27:54] <joelteon> but I'm using that domain for a different server
[03:28:25] <lunaphyte> what's the ip address of the computer?
[03:28:36] <joelteon> 198.199.94.211
[03:28:56] <joelteon> and joelt.io points to 209.141.55.50
[03:29:25] <lunaphyte> the hostname of 198.199.94.211 is joelt.io
[03:29:35] <lunaphyte> pointing joelt.io to 209.141.55.50 is wrong
[03:29:43] <lunaphyte> [or you have the ptr record wrong]
[03:29:47] <lunaphyte> one of the two
[03:29:56] <lunaphyte> [or who knows, maybe even both]
[03:30:03] <joelteon> ok, well, I registered joelt.io some time ago and have a VPS whose address is 209.141.55.50, and that's my server right now
[03:30:10] <joelteon> I *want* to move over to the new server without much downtime
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[03:31:18] <joelteon> should I change the ptr record for 198.199.94.211?
[03:31:49] <joelteon> i figure what it's doing is receiving email to user at 198 dot 199.94.211, trying to deliver it since that's not $mydestination, and either sending it to itself, or something else is going wrong
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[04:05:45] <lunaphyte> the core of your problem is that you're using your domain name as the canonical hostname of your server
[04:06:06] <lunaphyte> there are a number of reasons why doing that is a bad idea, one of which you're experiencing right now.
[04:07:02] <lunaphyte> if it were me, i'd get my existing dns in order first. then changing servers will have less chance of downtime.
[04:12:54] <joelteon> what should the canonical hostname be?
[04:22:02] <adaptr> ...there is only one canonical hostname
[04:22:21] <adaptr> that's sort of what the term "canonical" means
[04:23:24] <joelteon> what is it?
[04:25:33] <adaptr> the name by which your server is known on the internet
[04:25:44] <adaptr> !tell joelteon fcrdns
[04:25:44] <knoba> joelteon: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost
[04:26:14] <joelteon> ohh, I see
[04:28:53] <joelteon> so the canonical hostname needs to be whatever, and the domain should point to it
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[04:59:58] <joelteon> oh, CNAME means canonical name
[05:01:44] <Corey> CNAMES have nothing to do with FCrDNS in most ases.
[05:01:45] <Corey> cases*
[05:02:12] <joelteon> I'm just not getting this
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[05:52:30] <jimpop> Received: by mx.fucken.pro (Postfix, from userid 2001)
[05:53:12] <jimpop> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=14.0
[05:53:15] <jimpop> ;-)
[05:54:02] <jimpop> looks like an open relay
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[06:46:35] <Corey> jimpop: Is mx.fucken.pro yours? :-D
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[07:05:27] <jimpop> ha
[07:05:29] <jimpop> no
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[07:06:40] <tMH> hello ppl.
[07:08:07] <tMH> I'm trying to set up postfix for sending nagios alerts. what I get in test case - mail from "nagios at HOSTNAME dot localdomain". How it is possible to cut this "localdomain" from senders address?
[07:08:18] <tMH> I mean, it will be nice to see mail from nagios@HOSTNAME only.
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[07:18:03] <cite> tMH: You probably need to set myorigin.
[07:18:58] <cite> tMH: Or, if you are using e.g. mailx to send alerts, use it's "-r" option to set an explicit sender address.
[07:23:35] <tMH> cite - aha. I found how to change hostname. now, how to get rid of ".localdomain" from senders address, tell please ?
[07:25:12] <tMH> aha
[07:25:15] <tMH> myhostname = is the key:)
[07:25:19] <tMH> cite - thanks! :)
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[08:00:35] <joelteon> SSL_accept error from [my IP]: -1
[08:00:43] <joelteon> and then postfix loses the connection to my client
[08:00:55] <joelteon> I am using a self-signed certificate, is that the problem?
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[11:54:28] <micw> hi
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[13:07:15] <mhghm> !welcome
[13:07:15] <knoba> mhghm: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[13:17:41] <mhghm> hi all, i've got postfix setup on a virtual server running plesk 11. dump of postconf can be found at http://pastebin.com/8wbkgwQg the issue i'm getting is that the dns resolution for one of the domains is returning with the wrong ip address, however on the nslookup the ip address is fine
[13:18:00] <mhghm> has anyone come across this issue in the past and has a solution for it
[13:18:24] <adaptr> DNS resolution is not postfix's responsibility
[13:18:43] <adaptr> do you have logs that show this problem ?
[13:18:56] <mhghm> sure, one sec
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[13:23:43] <mhghm> adaptr logs can be viewed @ http://pastebin.com/KB9ViRiT
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[13:25:27] <adaptr> please, only include *postfix* logs. IMAP servers are unrelated. also, where is the problem in those logs ?
[13:26:30] <mhghm> the mx resolution for blueyonder.co.uk resolves to the ip address 78.40.35.130, which is the wrong ip address for that domain.
[13:28:09] <mhghm> if you do a mx lookup for the domain blueyonder.co.uk, it resolves to google servers. while the up address 78.40.35.130 is in fact registered to another domain lala.co.uk
[13:28:44] <jelly> mhghm: blueyounder.co.uk != blueyonder.co.uk
[13:29:12] <adaptr> good catch
[13:29:14] <jelly> blueyounder.co.uk. 86400 IN A 78.40.35.130
[13:29:44] <jelly> tell your customers not do make typos!
[13:29:46] * jelly hides
[13:29:47] <mhghm> oh dear, thx
[13:29:58] <adaptr> Registrant:
[13:30:00] <adaptr> Zaibatsu, Inc
[13:30:01] <mhghm> feel a little embarrassed now
[13:30:02] <adaptr> hahaha
[13:30:13] <mhghm> thx jelly
[13:30:26] <jelly> at least someone's been reading cyberpunk.
[13:30:36] <adaptr> hm ?
[13:31:15] <jelly> liberal use of the term "zaibatsu" in W.Gibson's short stories and the Neuromancer book
[13:31:53] <jelly> ok, it's possible it's not a second hand reference
[13:32:03] <jelly> (but I'd bet it was)
[13:32:04] <adaptr> Zaibatsu is just Japanese. it's the term for those all-inclusive companies that provide entirely for their workforce. like Mithubishi
[13:33:16] <adaptr> which makes their appearance in Gibson's stories - which are rife with global corporations and gated communities - rather self-explanatory
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[13:40:40] <micw> i develop an application that has "virtual" mailboxes for users and accepts mail (more or less directly). i think about using postfix as frontend smtp server here. what protocol would be good to let postfix pass mails to my software? i'd need to check against my software if a given email address exists there, so i need interception during smtp dialog.
[13:41:21] <micw> normally (without postfix as frontend) i'd simply implement an smtp server
[13:41:33] <lunaphyte_> lmtp
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[13:41:56] <lunaphyte_> check against my software if a given email address exists there...
[13:42:15] <lunaphyte_> how does your software store information about which addresses are valid?
[13:42:40] <micw> yes. they are in format UUID at mysoftware dot maildomain.com
[13:42:53] <adaptr> micw: make your software return the proper response if the address doesn't exist
[13:43:06] <micw> where the domain part is constant and the user part is dynamic
[13:43:14] <adaptr> then perform recipient verificartion against that transport
[13:43:16] <lunaphyte_> what's this all for?
[13:43:44] <micw> lunaphyte_, some kind of multi-client ticket system
[13:44:00] <adaptr> use a subdomain
[13:44:31] <adaptr> transport it to your software using $whatever. return the right response codes.
[13:44:59] <adaptr> using LMTP means you can return much more precise response codes
[13:45:17] <adaptr> but it also means you've already accepted the message. you generally don't want to do that.
[13:45:46] <micw> no, i want to reject during postfix's smtp dialog if the user (UUID) is unknown
[13:46:01] <micw> so what i basically want is smtp + something more
[13:46:14] <lunaphyte_> realy, it would probably be better to check an imap mailbox with your software, rather than having it be a mail server
[13:46:17] <lunaphyte_> *really
[13:46:25] <adaptr> micw: as already explained, you have those two options. choose one.
[13:46:50] <adaptr> lunaphyte_: bad karma for polling mailboxes! shame!
[13:46:58] <micw> lunaphyte_, definitely not because this would not provide dynamic user mailboxes
[13:47:04] <lunaphyte_> huh?
[13:47:09] <adaptr> micw: um. what does that phrase mean to you ?
[13:47:52] <micw> if i'd poll a mailbox, there would be no was to reject messages by my software
[13:48:05] <micw> i'd have to configure some catchall mailbox or so
[13:48:07] <lunaphyte_> why do you need to reject messages?
[13:48:22] <micw> if the user part is unknown to my software, i reject the messages
[13:48:32] <lunaphyte_> oh. that's not related
[13:48:41] <micw> so the frontend mta should reject the messages in this cased
[13:48:47] <lunaphyte_> [07:42am] lunaphyte_: how does your software store information about which addresses are valid?
[13:50:56] <micw> the software contains objects (i.e. tickets) which can accept mails. so each of those represents a valid email address
[13:51:20] <micw> validity depends on it's state so the addresses are valid for a certain time
[13:51:31] <lunaphyte_> and how are those objects stored?
[13:51:51] <micw> database (lot of tables), it's quite modular
[13:52:00] <lunaphyte_> what database?
[13:52:17] <micw> there's no meaningfull way to get a list of valid email adresses if thats the target of your question
[13:52:27] <micw> mysql or postgres, depends on setup
[13:52:30] <lunaphyte_> sure there is
[13:54:04] <micw> not on the database. there's lot of (partially complex) business logic that decides if an object can accept an email
[13:54:05] <adaptr> there are several. you can export them periodically. or you can query the database itself.
[13:54:17] <adaptr> ....that's what databases are for.
[13:54:22] <adaptr> they deal with business logic
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[13:54:48] <adaptr> ask yourself: how does the application decide what is valid ?
[13:54:52] <adaptr> you use the same method.
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[13:55:50] <micw> mail triggers an application event, each listener receives it, if one is responsible and accepts the email, the address is valid.
[13:56:03] <micw> testing an address is simple, listing all addresses is complex
[13:56:43] <lunaphyte_> how do you test an address?
[13:56:59] <lunaphyte_> if the software knows if an address is valid, there's no reason it can't tell something else
[13:57:26] <adaptr> micw: that is a meaningless distinction. a mail server also tests what it actually receives. it doesn't handle an all-inclusive list of recipients.
[13:59:09] <lunaphyte_> hmm
[14:02:19] <lunaphyte_> how does a listener decide if it is responsible?
[14:05:20] * adaptr spots the rabbit hole and hits the brakes
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[14:38:16] <jelly> irresponsible listeners, oh my
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[15:03:03] <adaptr> I only noticed that just now.
[15:03:05] <adaptr> jelly++
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[17:03:39] <SuperNull> hey guys, working with postmap files im doing client_hecks on helo.. i have a map file that currently is using an IP can i also add the 'false host' of a remote server ?
[17:07:28] <adaptr> what does that mean, "client_checks on helo" ?
[17:09:31] <SuperNull> ex: smtpd_helo_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_client_whitelist
[17:09:50] <lunaphyte_> why are you doing that?
[17:10:01] <lunaphyte_> put your restrictions in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:10:05] <SuperNull> one of our servers directly connects to it without proper dns and cannot so we added by ip
[17:11:18] <SuperNull> full config line:
[17:11:19] <SuperNull> http://pastebin.com/7pbwgQUV
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[17:29:49] <rob0> Even in smtpd_helo_restrictions, check_client_access does a CLIENT (IP and/or forward-confirmed reverse DNS name) lookup.
[17:30:02] <rob0> !check_client_access
[17:30:02] <knoba> rob0: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . Permit otherwise
[17:30:14] <rob0> !access
[17:30:15] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
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[17:55:41] <SuperNull> you guys use SPF checking locally ?
[17:57:33] <lunaphyte_> what does that mean?
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[18:04:26] <SuperNull> do you verify SPF on inbound
[18:05:06] <lunaphyte_> sure
[18:05:11] <lunaphyte_> what else would you do?
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[18:57:40] <nfi|ermes> can anyone help me to debug postfix problem ? http://pastebin.com/5Vxuznd0
[18:58:07] <nfi|ermes> Jun 10 18:56:13 62 postfix/cleanup[9941]: warning: private/proxymap socket: service dict_proxy_open: Connection reset by peer
[18:59:19] <nfi|ermes> here i have also my postconf -n
[18:59:21] <nfi|ermes> http://pastebin.com/YadkPz5L
[18:59:37] <adaptr> master.cf with the comments removed is more useful in this case
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[19:00:55] <lunaphyte_> postconf -nf; postconf -Mf
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[19:07:01] <nfi|ermes> invalid option -- M
[19:07:04] <nfi|ermes> invalid option -- f
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[19:07:23] <Dominian> what version of postfix?
[19:07:28] <Dominian> postconf | grep version
[19:07:31] <buki> apparently not 2.10
[19:07:38] <Dominian> buki: yeah
[19:09:02] <adaptr> Dominian: postconf mail_version
[19:09:08] <adaptr> learn the damn words!
[19:09:35] <Dominian> adaptr: grep works punk!
[19:09:43] <lunaphyte_> ah, an old version.
[19:09:54] <adaptr> Dominian: for noob!
[19:09:57] <adaptr> +s
[19:10:11] <Dominian> adaptr: I will cut your heart out with a spoon!
[19:10:16] <lunaphyte_> apadtr must be psychic
[19:10:42] <adaptr> Dominian: there is no heart, you dumbass!
[19:10:49] <Dominian> oh crap
[19:10:52] <adaptr> tehre is only...France!
[19:10:57] <nfi|ermes> [root@62 /]# postconf | grep version
[19:10:57] <nfi|ermes> disable_mime_output_conversion = no
[19:10:57] <nfi|ermes> mail_version = 2.3.3
[19:10:57] <nfi|ermes> milter_helo_macros = {tls_version} {cipher} {cipher_bits} {cert_subject} {cert_issuer}
[19:10:58] <nfi|ermes> milter_macro_v = $mail_name $mail_version
[19:11:05] <Dominian> wow.. oooold version
[19:11:12] <adaptr> nfi|ermes: that hasn't been supported in years
[19:11:17] <lunaphyte_> oh crap.
[19:11:23] <lunaphyte_> you need to upgrade
[19:11:25] <Dominian> Yeah.. that's..
[19:11:28] <Dominian> ancient
[19:11:37] <adaptr> YOU're ancient!
[19:11:42] <nfi|ermes> lol
[19:11:50] <nfi|ermes> i'm stuck cause of psa
[19:11:59] <lunaphyte_> what's psa?
[19:12:06] * adaptr holds his fingers a 32nd of an inch apart
[19:12:12] <adaptr> that many.
[19:12:30] <Dominian> professional skaters association?
[19:12:49] <nfi|ermes> plesk
[19:12:55] <Dominian> ew
[19:12:56] <Dominian> EW!
[19:13:05] * Dominian disinfects his eyes
[19:13:10] <adaptr> nfi|ermes: we don't support $randomcrappanel
[19:14:08] <lunaphyte_> oh haha.
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[19:16:06] <nfi|ermes> can't you help me debug the problem anyway ?
[19:17:05] <buki> and the master.cf?
[19:17:36] <Dominian> debug the problem on an unsupported postfix installation within plesk?
[19:17:44] <Dominian> What are you willing to pay?
[19:17:48] <lunaphyte_> but how did the problem start?
[19:18:00] <lunaphyte_> for help with plesk, you should consult the plesk community
[19:18:05] <lunaphyte_> that's good advice
[19:18:10] <Dominian> !plesk
[19:18:10] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "plesk" is not a valid command.
[19:18:12] <Dominian> hrm
[19:18:16] <Dominian> thought we had a factoid on that at some point
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[19:19:41] <nfi|ermes> ok
[19:19:45] <nfi|ermes> let's start over
[19:19:46] <nfi|ermes> [root@62 /]# postconf | grep version
[19:19:46] <nfi|ermes> disable_mime_output_conversion = no
[19:19:46] <nfi|ermes> mail_version = 2.6.5
[19:19:47] <nfi|ermes> milter_helo_macros = {tls_version} {cipher} {cipher_bits} {cert_subject} {cert_issuer}
[19:19:47] <nfi|ermes> milter_macro_v = $mail_name $mail_version
[19:20:02] <Dominian> So which version is this on? Did you just upgrade plesk or something?
[19:21:07] <nfi|ermes> no
[19:21:17] <nfi|ermes> i just compiled postfix
[19:21:23] <nfi|ermes> and installed from source
[19:22:03] <Dominian> uhh
[19:22:07] <Dominian> why didn't you get the latest then?
[19:23:48] <nfi|ermes> which is the last one ?
[19:25:01] <nfi|ermes> 2.10 ?
[19:25:39] <buki> yes
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[19:27:17] <lunaphyte_> 2.11
[19:27:26] <buki> hmm
[19:27:37] <buki> already?
[19:29:07] <lunaphyte_> without digressing into the stupid argument of what is "stable", etc., 2.11 is designated as production quality
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[19:32:11] <adaptr> where do you read that ?
[19:32:23] <adaptr> Postfix 2.10 stable release
[19:32:33] <adaptr> Postfix 2.10 stable release
[19:32:51] <adaptr> Postfix 2.11 Snapshot 20130608
[19:33:08] <adaptr> you need to let me know these things! (this one is not true)
[19:33:44] <nfi|ermes> ok, now i m at 2.10
[19:33:59] <nfi|ermes> new version, same problem
[19:34:16] <adaptr> but now we can converse intelligently about it!
[19:34:19] <buki> but now you can post postconf -Mf
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[19:35:03] <nfi|ermes> http://pastebin.com/UDdxFRXs
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[19:41:51] <nfi|ermes> everybody at dinner ?
[19:42:02] <nfi|ermes> now that i'm updated .D
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[19:47:56] <nfi|ermes> anyonje ?
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[19:53:36] <grknight> nfi|ermes: the most that screams out to me is your mixed chroot/non-chroot processes. for testing sake, perhaps you should set all of the 5th columns to 'n'. then if you want chroot functionality, read up on how to properly set it up in postfix
[19:55:31] <grknight> nfi|ermes: but then it may not be related to this case
[19:56:38] <grknight> nfi|ermes: i would also check that you are getting a mysql connection using 'postmap -q' as a test on all maps.
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[20:11:25] <buki> or verify that mysql is compiled in at all via postconf -m
[20:11:57] <buki> but no, I have not seen this error myself
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[21:39:27] <adaptr> nfi|ermes: there are some things wrong with that. but what is the problem ?
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