June 23, 2012 
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June 23, 2012 [00:00:16] <ShadwDrgn> ext3[00:00:58] <pj> and is it on a physical disk, or some kind of virtual fs, or ???[00:01:17] <ShadwDrgn> it's RAID 5[00:01:25] <ShadwDrgn> 5 physical disks[00:01:28] <ShadwDrgn> one filesystem[00:01:31] <ShadwDrgn> RAID status is good[00:02:43] <pj> and nothing else in-between? no LVM or maybe a virtual block device from a virtualisation platform or anything like that?[00:02:54] <ShadwDrgn> it's an LVM[00:03:00] <ShadwDrgn> no virtualization[00:03:40] <pj> is there any free space on the VG?[00:04:10] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[00:04:39] <ShadwDrgn> no[00:05:00] <pj> that makes it harder, means you can't take a snapshot for troubleshooting.[00:06:09] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[00:07:38] *** sw has quit IRC[00:07:46] <pj> you said it starts working again if you restart postfix, what happens if you just restart qmgr?[00:07:55] <ShadwDrgn> i haven't tried that yet[00:08:10] <ShadwDrgn> i'm about to drop this issue for today so would you like me to now?[00:08:24] <pj> adaptr: correct me if I'm wrong, but if he just kills qmgr then postfix will restart it correct?[00:10:20] <pj> ShadwDrgn: do what you like, it seems pretty obvious that the emails are stopping at qmgr, so I'm just curious if that's the one component that will work again if restarted.[00:10:20] *** fbh has quit IRC[00:10:50] <ShadwDrgn> how do i restart just qmgr?[00:10:52] <ShadwDrgn> can i kill it?[00:11:08] <pj> I think so, but not entirely sure, that's what I just asked adaptr[00:11:27] <ShadwDrgn> yeah[00:11:38] <ShadwDrgn> when i kill -HUP qmgr i get all my emails[00:12:20] <ShadwDrgn> queue is empty[00:12:29] <pj> ok, at this stage I would suggest that you post to the ml and ask there.[00:12:35] <ShadwDrgn> ml?[00:12:41] <pj> mailing list[00:12:53] <pj> weitse will be able to solve your problem.[00:13:04] <ShadwDrgn> i've attached strace to qmgr again now that it's running[00:13:10] <ShadwDrgn> i'm going to wait for a crash so i have more info for them[00:13:17] <pj> ok, that's a good idea.[00:15:02] <pj> have a read of the qmgr(8) man page in the mean time[00:15:09] <pj> it may prove informative.[00:15:15] <ShadwDrgn> k will do that[00:15:17] <ShadwDrgn> thx for your help[00:15:23] <pj> yw[00:15:27] <ShadwDrgn> adaptr i'm sorry for my impatience and any rudeness[00:15:34] <ShadwDrgn> it's not intended i'm just extremely frustrated[00:15:40] <ShadwDrgn> and if i've taken it out on you i appologize[00:15:52] <thumbs> he's got thick skin, don't worry :)[00:16:53] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[00:17:00] *** ipnoz has quit IRC[00:17:18] *** fbh has joined #postfix[00:17:32] <pj> hehehe[00:18:20] <thumbs> really thick skin.[00:19:20] *** ipnoz has joined #postfix[00:20:36] <pj> ShadwDrgn: the bit about not using a catchal is not to solve your current problem, it's a suggestion about a change you should make once you have solved your current problem.[00:20:49] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:20:51] <ShadwDrgn> yeah i'm going to look in to trying to change over.[00:20:57] <ShadwDrgn> i think my engine is reading out of the spool dir anyway[00:21:17] <pj> It should be relatively simple, I assume that your web app already tracks users in some sort of db?[00:21:24] <pj> what?[00:21:34] <pj> your app is manipulating spool files directly?[00:21:40] <ShadwDrgn> yeah, but it doesn't keep track of how long the email has been active[00:21:42] <ShadwDrgn> that's mostly client side[00:21:44] <ShadwDrgn> no[00:21:47] <ShadwDrgn> it's only reading them[00:21:56] <pj> even that is a bad idea[00:21:59] <ShadwDrgn> why?[00:22:17] <pj> !tell ShadwDrgn mailscanner[00:22:17] <knoba> ShadwDrgn: "mailscanner" : don't you dare! mailscanner uses direct manipulation of postfix queues, employing undocumented methods, which may potentially change without warning at any point. there are much better ways for this sort of thing. consider amavisd-new instead.[00:22:32] <ShadwDrgn> i'm not manipulating the files[00:22:36] <ShadwDrgn> or changing any queues[00:22:40] <ShadwDrgn> only reading them[00:23:03] <pj> yeah, only slightly better. There are much better ways of reading the queues if you need to, there are commands for that.[00:23:11] <ShadwDrgn> i was using php-imap[00:23:16] <ShadwDrgn> but the load was outstandingly huge[00:23:35] <pj> imap doesn't read queue files[00:23:43] <pj> it reads mailbox files[00:23:47] <ShadwDrgn> i mean i was using it to read the mails in general[00:24:29] <pj> anyways, if you need to read queue files you should use postcat.[00:24:40] <ShadwDrgn> i'll definitely look in to that[00:25:46] <adaptr> pj: qmgr maintains in-memory objects. I would not suggest you "just kill" the core postfix process.[00:25:52] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[00:26:04] <adaptr> and if you do, the nw PID will be different, so it's useless anyway[00:26:19] <pj> well, he sent it a HUP and that seemed to work[00:26:28] <adaptr> sure. HUP != SIGKILL[00:26:44] <pj> adaptr: and I wasn't sure, which was why I asked.[00:26:47] <adaptr> by any stretch of the imagination[00:27:16] <adaptr> killing qmgr will almost certainly lose mail, if it's a busy server[00:27:31] <ShadwDrgn> yeah i ended up restarting postfix entirely after that[00:27:35] <ShadwDrgn> just to be sure[00:27:37] <ShadwDrgn> if i lost some mail[00:27:38] <ShadwDrgn> that sucks but[00:27:43] <ShadwDrgn> better than it not working at all[00:27:46] <pj> ok, so then postfix has a way of shutting it down gracefully.[00:27:51] <adaptr> your enter key is broken[00:28:40] <pj> ...and btw, I wouldn't have sent SIGKILL, I would send SIGTERM which is also different.[00:28:53] <adaptr> that should work too[00:29:00] <adaptr> but you said kill.[00:29:11] <pj> well, I meant kill as in use the kill command[00:29:18] <adaptr> ...[00:29:21] <pj> I probably should have been more specific.[00:29:35] <adaptr> seeingas there are dozens of signals kill(1) can send, that doesn't follow[00:29:46] <pj> the default signal is SIGTERM[00:29:53] <adaptr> "kill", to me, means kill -9[00:30:04] <ShadwDrgn> yeah i definitely did not use kill -9[00:30:06] <ShadwDrgn> should i have?[00:30:12] <pj> yeah, I only ever use -9 if a process is completely locked up and won't respond to a SIGTERM[00:30:18] <pj> ShadwDrgn: NO[00:30:30] <ShadwDrgn> i never use -9 if i can help it.[00:30:32] <pj> you never use -9 on anything except as av ery last resort.[00:30:47] <tharkun> pj: Try killing its parents, They die out of sheer grieve[00:30:53] <pj> lol[00:30:54] <ShadwDrgn> yeah that's how i've always worked. i only use -9 if i'm completely screwed and can't find any other solution[00:31:10] <adaptr> tharkun: unless they're batman[00:31:16] <adaptr> then they go batshit[00:31:20] <tharkun> lol[00:31:25] <pj> so, yeah, when I say kill, I'm generally referring to SIGTERM[00:36:32] <ShadwDrgn> yeah i'm just referring to the command. i used -HUP not -9[00:37:05] <pj> right HUP was a good pick, obviously.[00:38:42] *** Jakey has quit IRC[00:41:27] *** bvenkat_ has joined #postfix[00:45:08] *** bvenkat has quit IRC[00:46:10] *** akcx has joined #postfix[00:51:26] *** happymeerkat has quit IRC[01:03:38] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[01:05:37] <tharkun> "DEAR USER; YOU'VE GOT 24 HOURS TO TYPE YOUR NEW E-MAIL PASSWORD ON OUR INTRANET. ELSE YOU WON'T GET ANYMORE MAIL" With love your postmaster[01:05:50] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[01:08:52] <pj> lol[01:13:16] <akcx> how does that help? you didn't even post the link... how can I ensure i'll still receive some mail?? :-)[01:15:10] <pj> I don't know my email password! can I give you my root pasword instead?[01:15:52] <tharkun> pj: Well you are in deep trouble but i will accept it as long as it is current and i can make the proper user transfers[01:16:07] <tharkun> :)[01:16:36] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[01:16:59] <tharkun> Second time this year people get their passwords compromise. I can't believe users.[01:17:33] <pj> you have users that actually fell for that?[01:18:50] <tharkun> No, but they fell for some support at example dot com mail they recieved. I've instructed every user that there is only postmaster and me to solve isues.[01:19:15] <tharkun> When they get this email they either comply or they get a personal interview with me.[01:20:26] <tharkun> Second e-mail is a schedule appointment at my office.[01:21:51] * tharkun is sure now that the world will not end tomorrow :-)[01:28:38] *** pehden has quit IRC[01:30:08] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[01:32:51] *** danblack has joined #postfix[01:40:32] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:40:41] *** danblack has quit IRC[01:42:04] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[01:46:45] *** RadoQ has joined #postfix[01:46:46] *** RadoQ has joined #postfix[01:53:54] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[02:00:45] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[02:07:02] *** ipnoz_ has joined #postfix[02:09:35] *** ipnoz has quit IRC[02:23:09] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[02:30:42] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[02:35:09] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[02:36:05] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[02:36:20] *** pehden has joined #postfix[02:58:52] *** p3rror has quit IRC[03:08:43] *** mfridh has quit IRC[03:10:21] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[03:23:22] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[03:35:11] *** StevenR has quit IRC[03:36:06] *** StevenR has joined #postfix[03:47:18] *** Jhiu has joined #postfix[03:50:37] <Jhiu> hello[03:50:43] <Jhiu> i have question about dkim[03:51:02] <Jhiu> why does postfix trying to bind into opendkim port instead connecting to it?[03:51:06] <Jhiu> Jun 23 01:50:17 mail postfix/master[97410]: fatal: bind 10.2.2.2 port 10026: Address already in use[03:51:21] <Jhiu> opendkim is already running on 10026[03:53:08] <Jhiu> http://pastebin.com/eSu64WFB[03:53:12] <Jhiu> my config[03:54:35] <rob0> Find the (logical) line in master.cf which contains "10026". Also find out what is running on 10.2.2.2:10026[03:56:53] <Jhiu> how the opendkim working out with postfix[03:56:58] <Jhiu> ?[03:58:01] <Jhiu> it's already assigned with opendkim[03:58:44] <Jhiu> isn't postfix instead should connect to opendkim not binding to that port?[04:05:43] <rob0> Are you ignoring what I told you to do?[04:06:51] <Jhiu> lol no, looks like my mistake on my part[04:07:02] <Jhiu> there is already port assigned on master.cf[04:07:05] <Jhiu> thx[04:12:17] *** p3rror has quit IRC[05:04:02] *** Aurica has joined #postfix[05:07:34] *** Silowyi has quit IRC[05:44:20] *** MAAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:48:20] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[05:48:46] *** ChaozZBubi is now known as chaozzbubi[06:01:07] *** elex1111116 has joined #postfix[06:05:41] *** elex1111116 has quit IRC[06:09:51] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:10:56] *** Silowyi has joined #postfix[06:12:28] *** pehden has quit IRC[06:13:54] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:14:00] *** Aurica has quit IRC[06:14:03] *** pehden has joined #postfix[06:14:05] *** pehden_ has joined #postfix[06:19:25] *** pehden has quit IRC[06:19:47] *** pehden_ has quit IRC[06:20:16] *** pehden has joined #postfix[07:25:09] *** Areckx has quit IRC[07:26:40] *** Aurica has joined #postfix[07:29:50] *** Silowyi has quit IRC[07:34:03] *** pehden has quit IRC[07:34:59] *** Areckx has joined #postfix[07:37:36] *** pehden has joined #postfix[08:00:43] *** milligan has quit IRC[08:05:12] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[08:07:31] *** milligan has joined #postfix[08:08:55] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[08:13:10] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[08:21:38] *** Aurica has quit IRC[08:21:58] *** Silowyi has joined #postfix[08:25:25] *** Jhiu has quit IRC[08:26:53] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:26:53] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:27:19] *** Aurica has joined #postfix[08:31:19] *** Silowyi has quit IRC[08:32:38] *** klep has joined #postfix[08:33:16] <klep> I have inbound mail working exactly how I want it to , but would like to set up outbound mail through my ISP, how can I do that without impacting my current inbound mail?[08:34:55] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:35:59] <uqlev> klep, set relay_host[08:36:10] *** elex1111116 has joined #postfix[08:39:21] <uqlev> klep, set relayhost[08:47:45] *** uqlev has quit IRC[09:04:02] <klep> aaaaaaaaaaaaaah[09:04:05] <klep> works![09:04:07] <klep> thansk[09:04:09] <klep> thanks![09:04:15] *** klep has left #postfix[09:17:41] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[09:19:35] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[09:21:45] *** GieltjE has joined #postfix[09:24:57] *** Aurica has quit IRC[10:03:34] *** heller_barde has joined #postfix[10:11:27] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[10:11:27] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[10:23:52] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[10:30:47] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:43:18] *** haroldp has quit IRC[10:43:39] *** shoonya has quit IRC[10:44:15] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[10:48:10] *** Bry8Star{EB has quit IRC[11:02:33] *** amir has quit IRC[11:11:12] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[11:11:34] *** Deathvalley122 has quit IRC[11:14:56] *** davlefou has quit IRC[11:14:56] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[11:19:23] *** Bry8Star{EB has joined #postfix[11:19:44] *** Deathvalley122 has joined #postfix[11:25:55] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[11:27:39] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[11:33:19] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[11:36:49] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:00:59] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[12:04:55] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[12:19:21] *** snearch has joined #postfix[12:35:02] *** EvilMOiD has joined #postfix[12:58:53] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[13:24:04] *** Laibsch has joined #postfix[13:25:59] <Laibsch> Hi, is anything fundamentally wrong with how rolf.leggewie.biz (MX entry only) and leggewie.biz (MX points to different IP than A) are set up? a big german mail provider called web.de does not deliver mails here.[13:26:25] <Laibsch> My question relates to DNS but I hope this is the right group[13:31:01] *** EvilMOiD has left #postfix[13:33:36] *** GieltjE has quit IRC[13:36:31] *** shoonya has quit IRC[13:41:09] <Zerberus> Laibsch: yes, that's wrong[13:42:10] <Laibsch> Zerberus: I see. I guess the MX pointing to a different IP than the A record is OK (that's the whole point, right?)[13:42:19] <Laibsch> an A record is mandatory?[13:42:20] <Zerberus> Laibsch: rDNS does not match forward DNS[13:42:57] <Zerberus> Laibsch: don't know whether you address mail to @rolf.leggewie.biz[13:43:17] <Zerberus> but either a A or a CNAME record qualifies a host[13:43:32] <Zerberus> don't use CNAMEs in the area of mail[13:43:37] <Laibsch> OK[13:44:16] <Laibsch> but either a CNAME or an A record is absolutely required? I thought just MX was enough if the domain is only for mail and nothing else[13:44:39] <Zerberus> rolf.leggewie.biz is your mail domain?[13:44:47] <Laibsch> one of them[13:50:10] <Laibsch> Zerberus: forward and reverse DNS have to be consistent? In other words you cannot have more than one mail server per IP? Let's say mail.example1.com and mail.example2.com point to 1.2.3.4 and 1.2.3.4 points back to mail.example1.com, then mail.example2.com is incorrectly configured?[13:50:52] <Zerberus> yes, nowadays you run into trouble if forward and reverse DNS entries do not match[13:51:11] <Zerberus> you can have more than 1 MX, but each must have his own matching DNS records[13:51:20] <Laibsch> :-([13:52:57] <Laibsch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS[13:53:32] <Laibsch> looks to me that web.de would be implementing their own rules here[13:55:42] <Laibsch> so I have to buy service for an IP number where the provide allows me to set the reverse DNS just to be able to run my own personal mail server to *receive* mails :-([13:55:55] <Laibsch> s/provide/provider/[13:58:53] <Zerberus> you just receive mails on your system?[13:59:22] <Zerberus> how are bounces and such handled?[13:59:23] <Laibsch> yes[13:59:44] <Laibsch> for outgoing I use a smarthost[13:59:49] <Laibsch> I'm talking about incoming mails[14:00:45] <Zerberus> now you have set a CNAME for mail.leggewie.org[14:02:08] <Laibsch> maybe that's what causing the issues? Is that not allowed? It's only web.de that I am aware of having difficulties.[14:02:28] <Zerberus> each mail provider has their own rules on how to deal with mail, you may ask them why they do not deliver to your MX[14:02:46] <Laibsch> web.de is not even trying to connect to my server. I believe they are ignoring MX[14:02:54] <Zerberus> yes, CNAME is not to be used when dealing with mail servers[14:03:09] <Laibsch> OK, I could easily fix that[14:03:38] <Zerberus> I guess they are doing just a regular DNS query, see no A record but a CNAME and don't try anything then[14:04:20] <Zerberus> I think there was a related discussion about web.de on the postfixbuch-users mailinglist just some weeks ago[14:11:41] <Laibsch> seems like web.de is a regular topic :-([14:16:05] <Laibsch> thanks, Zerberus. Looks like indeed the CNAME is not a good idea.[14:16:15] <Laibsch> I'll change that and see if the problem persists[14:26:32] <Laibsch> Zerberus: one more question, I hope it's OK. CNAME for rolf.leggewie.biz and MX for rolf.leggewie.biz pointing to mail.leggewie.biz for which there is an A record should be OK, right?[14:27:35] <Zerberus> Laibsch: to avoid any trouble I would just define rolf.leggewie.biz as an A record[14:28:01] <Zerberus> and yes, an MX record must point to an A record[14:36:31] *** tris has quit IRC[14:55:49] *** jonez has quit IRC[15:07:36] *** jonez has joined #postfix[15:12:54] *** kaos01_ has quit IRC[15:32:17] *** janfrode has quit IRC[15:41:45] *** janfrode has joined #postfix[15:47:09] *** janfrode has quit IRC[15:47:36] *** elex1111117 has joined #postfix[15:49:23] *** elex1111116 has quit IRC[15:51:24] *** snearch has quit IRC[16:57:51] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[16:59:26] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[17:02:33] *** chaozzbubi is now known as ChaozZBubi[17:03:04] *** ChaozZBubi is now known as chaozzbubi[17:06:09] *** elex1111117 has quit IRC[17:11:24] *** inf_l00p_ has joined #postfix[17:11:50] *** inf_l00p has quit IRC[17:15:37] *** chaozzbubi is now known as ChaozZBubi[17:33:36] *** Silowyi has joined #postfix[17:42:12] <higuita> Laibsch: DNS 101: CNAME entries and wildcard entries in the DNS can't have ANY other entry with that same hostname. Even if sometime it looks like it works, many clients and servers will fail[17:44:00] <Laibsch> hm? you are saying that a.example.com and b.example.com as CNAME pointing both to example.com for which there is an A record is invalid??[17:50:11] <rob0> If a CNAME record exists, it must be the only record with that owner name. CNAME records have no place at all in mail. MX hostname value must point to an A/AAAA record. You should not use addresses at cname dot example.com where cname.example.com is a CNAME.[17:56:27] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[17:56:39] <higuita> Laibsch: if you have a hostname a.example.com and b.example.com with a CNAME, those hostname cant have ANY other record (no MX, no TXT, no NS, nothing at all)[17:57:21] <Laibsch> I see. Thanks.[17:57:27] <higuita> not even the SOA (ie: a domain can't ever be a CNAME)[17:59:34] <Laibsch> rob0: but is it permissible to have neither a CNAME nor an A, but only an MX. For example, for 3rdlevel.domain.com[18:00:07] <Laibsch> somebody at 3rdlevel dot domain.com as a potential address[18:02:37] <rob0> the MX must have a value, priority + hostname. The hostname must have an A record.[18:03:11] <rob0> if you want an example of a name with MX but no A, see postfix.org[18:03:52] <higuita> Laibsch: when a mail server tries to send one email, it tried to find its MX record. If there is any, it tries to deliver to a A or AAAA record (but this is not very used, most people setup valid MX)[18:06:41] <Laibsch> higuita: I guess you meant "If there isn't any ..."?[18:21:51] *** cps0 has quit IRC[18:23:38] *** elex1111117 has joined #postfix[18:27:18] *** Laibsch has quit IRC[18:29:02] *** Laibsch has joined #postfix[18:34:26] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[18:42:23] *** elex1111117 has quit IRC[18:46:34] *** amir has joined #postfix[18:56:42] *** Laibsch has quit IRC[19:06:21] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[19:47:39] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[19:47:53] *** elex1111117 has joined #postfix[20:28:40] *** pehden has quit IRC[20:29:34] *** pehden has joined #postfix[20:49:39] *** pehden has quit IRC[20:49:55] *** pehden has joined #postfix[20:55:03] *** jdmax has joined #postfix[20:55:14] *** jdmax has left #postfix[21:08:28] *** ikonia has quit IRC[21:19:06] *** ikonia has joined #postfix[21:20:20] *** UNIXgod has joined #postfix[21:31:56] *** pehden has quit IRC[23:09:52] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:15:12] *** andrisi has joined #postfix[23:20:35] <andrisi> hello[23:20:53] <andrisi> is it possible to rewrite names in addresses (Joe) not just the email address (joe at somwhere dot net)?[23:21:07] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:21:19] *** andrisi has quit IRC[23:22:21] *** andrisi has joined #postfix[23:22:43] <andrisi> hello[23:23:12] <andrisi> is it possible to rewrite sender names (Joe) in addition to email addresses using Postfix? thanks![23:23:28] <andrisi> or at least strip them[23:50:13] *** Hans67521 has joined #postfix[23:51:16] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[23:51:36] *** Hans67521 has quit IRC[23:53:39] *** pehden has joined #postfix[23:58:41] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[23:59:49] <roe> andrisi, why?