June 19, 2012 
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June 19, 2012 [00:01:31] *** shinao1_ has joined #postfix[00:01:48] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[00:04:05] *** e-anima has quit IRC[00:05:16] *** Hans67521 has quit IRC[00:08:39] *** Kellin has joined #postfix[00:12:46] *** scientes has joined #postfix[00:22:07] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[00:28:09] *** danblack has joined #postfix[00:29:32] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[00:32:29] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[00:35:43] *** [sr] has joined #postfix[00:35:44] <[sr]> howd[00:35:45] <[sr]> y[00:35:58] <[sr]> i'd like to add an header from emails that are send from the apache httpd[00:36:01] <[sr]> for tracking[00:36:04] <[sr]> could this be possible?[00:36:35] *** znull has quit IRC[00:36:42] <thumbs> [sr]: don't cross-post.[00:41:07] <rob0> And that's neither a #postfix matter nor a #httpd one. Do it in whatever software you are using from httpd to generate the mail.[00:42:27] <[sr]> its just to track some vhosts with joomla's and etc, to know the origin of some emails when they get exploited[00:42:42] <rob0> yikes[00:42:48] <thumbs> hehe[00:43:09] *** higuita has quit IRC[00:43:14] <[sr]> that, but clients like it..[00:43:24] <[sr]> what can i do![00:43:41] <thumbs> [sr]: you can ask ##php how to achieve your goal.[00:43:52] <[sr]> im trying[00:43:53] <rob0> Well, I would not run software if I was not confident that I could do it safely.[00:44:03] <[sr]> too much people talking[00:44:09] <thumbs> [sr]: try #php on oftc as well.[00:44:36] <[sr]> rob0, no problem for the system, my only worry is just to not get my IP's in blacklist[00:45:04] <rob0> That certainly qualifies as "not safe" to me.[00:46:40] *** leprechau has quit IRC[00:48:03] <[sr]> well yes[00:48:12] <[sr]> im going to sleep now[00:48:18] <[sr]> will try tomorow[00:48:20] <[sr]> thanks[00:50:08] *** [sr] has quit IRC[00:52:07] *** cilly has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** ghoti has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** soosfarm has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** andres has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** sejo has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** Niemi has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** pyco_ has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** famicom has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** gencha has quit IRC[00:52:08] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[00:52:14] *** pyco has joined #postfix[00:52:15] *** famicom has joined #postfix[00:52:15] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[00:52:18] *** cilly has joined #postfix[00:52:18] *** sejo has joined #postfix[00:52:19] *** gencha has joined #postfix[00:52:23] *** ghoti has joined #postfix[00:52:37] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[00:53:04] *** soosfarm has joined #postfix[00:53:18] *** andres has joined #postfix[00:54:40] *** heller_barde has quit IRC[01:03:48] *** shinao1_ has quit IRC[01:04:14] *** corretico has quit IRC[01:17:48] *** Areckx has joined #postfix[01:18:19] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[01:21:39] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[01:23:47] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[01:25:18] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[01:32:46] *** elex1111113 has quit IRC[01:35:05] *** danblack has quit IRC[01:53:04] *** Areckx has quit IRC[01:56:12] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[02:04:19] *** Terminus- has quit IRC[02:06:26] *** Terminus- has joined #postfix[02:13:35] *** higuita has joined #postfix[02:13:53] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[02:24:02] *** fosstux has joined #postfix[02:24:02] *** fosstux has joined #postfix[02:25:05] <fosstux> Hi! I'd like to setup postfix on a server so that only the webserver can send Mail. So no local mailboxes are required. Is there a sample setup for that purpose?[02:30:37] <pj> !tell fosstux nullclient[02:30:37] <knoba> fosstux: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[02:51:12] <fosstux> But is it possible to setup postfix to send from noreply at domain dot tld where domain.tld can vary?[02:51:54] <thumbs> fosstux: we're still not convinced you need a postfix server :)[02:54:02] <fosstux> so where can I find other nullclient sotware? the comment !nullclient_software dioes not bring me anything[02:54:11] <thumbs> !nullclient_software[02:54:11] <knoba> thumbs: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[02:54:25] <pj> fosstux: it is up to the program sending the email to set the sender address, not postfix.[02:55:00] <fosstux> so you mean the cms system...[02:55:12] <fosstux> eg drupal, joomla, etc[02:55:15] <pj> sure, if that's the program that is sending the email.[02:55:49] <fosstux> okay thanks[03:04:21] *** leprechau has quit IRC[03:10:03] *** _TheAvatar has joined #postfix[03:10:51] *** master_o1_master has joined #postfix[03:12:24] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:12:24] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[03:12:24] *** abramart has quit IRC[03:12:25] *** abramart has joined #postfix[03:15:58] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[03:30:02] *** grossing has quit IRC[03:32:38] <jimpop> the problem with nullclient software is the lack of support for DKIM signing[03:35:32] *** danblack has joined #postfix[03:51:37] <rob0> But shouldn't the relayhost do the signing? Why is that a problem?[03:52:41] <lunaphyte> it wouldn't make sense to me to do dkim signing with a null client.[03:54:34] *** Areckx has joined #postfix[04:06:14] <jimpop> if the nullclient is sending email to user@gmail then gmail would like to see the sig[04:07:00] *** chadmaynard has joined #postfix[04:07:30] <jimpop> and it wasn't clear from fosstux if only the www-data account was sending or if the web server would be taking sign-up requests from users who provided their own personal email addr[04:08:38] *** kaos01 has joined #postfix[04:09:26] <jimpop> also, some folks would classify mailman as a webserver sending email[04:09:42] * jimpop goes to ponder mailman+nullclient[04:10:26] <jimpop> all it would need is a post-from-pipermail feature[04:12:43] <fosstux> jimpop, yes - I'd like people to register on sites - they then should get an email...[04:13:28] <jimpop> you need something more powerfull than a nullclient for that. you will, at some point, need to be dkim signing the outbound emails.[04:14:33] <jimpop> afk[04:15:46] <lunaphyte> but that doesn't make sense. a null client shouldn't be talking to gmail's mx[04:16:21] <lunaphyte> a null client should submit the message to an msa, which then handles the necessary processing to prepare it for transit across the internet.[04:24:13] *** danblack has quit IRC[04:26:07] <fosstux> lunaphyte, and that was what I meant to do with postfix[04:26:46] <lunaphyte> why are we talking about null clients doing dkim signing then?[04:29:04] *** grossing has joined #postfix[04:29:17] *** danblack has joined #postfix[04:38:54] *** chadmaynard has quit IRC[04:41:01] *** danblack has quit IRC[04:42:31] <jimpop> lunaphyte: we're not.[04:43:08] <jimpop> lunaphyte: the issue was fosstux wanting to send email from a web site where users create accounts, i.e. account creation confirmation email.s[04:43:22] <jimpop> someone else suggested he/she needed a nullclient[04:44:03] <jimpop> i only said that a nullclient would have trouble dkim signing... hinting that fosstux was correct in needing postfix (or another MTA that can do dkim sigs)[04:48:27] <rob0> I don't think gmail expects/requires DKIM sigs on submission. You AUTH to them, they sign it.[04:48:52] <jimpop> doh[04:49:00] <jimpop> i think there is a problem.....[04:49:11] <jimpop> some people see "webserver" and think host[04:49:31] <jimpop> others see "webserver" and think software utilized by a user base[04:49:56] <jimpop> fosstux has confirmed that he/she needs an MTA that can deliver email to multiple users[04:50:26] <jimpop> users create an account on fosstux's web(server|site) and get a confirmation email[04:50:38] <jimpop> nullclients don't do that[04:51:14] <rob0> Well, if you need more than a null client, that's a different matter.[04:51:27] <jimpop> indeed[04:52:37] <jimpop> fosstux: in case the message is lost... postfix is an excellent choice for what you are trying to achieve[04:53:59] <lunaphyte> sounds like an msa is needed. but then there will need to be a full time msa admin[04:56:16] *** znull has joined #postfix[05:05:17] *** Areckx has quit IRC[05:11:00] <fosstux> jimpop, and where can I find a sample config for that case?[05:11:18] <jimpop> !tell fosstux basic[05:11:18] <knoba> fosstux: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[05:12:46] <fosstux> thx[05:13:00] <jimpop> yw[05:39:21] *** fosstux has quit IRC[05:48:09] *** n0sq has quit IRC[05:48:38] <thumbs> I loathe spammers.[05:49:35] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:50:30] *** danblack has joined #postfix[05:52:37] *** MAAAAAD has quit IRC[06:09:25] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:13:14] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:25:05] *** danblack has quit IRC[06:31:58] *** Driver has quit IRC[06:41:05] *** danblack has joined #postfix[07:10:33] <jimpop> thumbs: hate the sin, love the sinner[07:18:45] *** cvelde has quit IRC[07:20:14] *** Kellin has quit IRC[07:28:45] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[07:31:42] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[07:34:01] *** pehden has joined #postfix[07:34:11] <pehden> hello, any one awake[07:34:15] <pehden> postconf: warning: /etc/postfix/master.cf: unused parameter: smtpd_bind_address=127.0.0.1[07:34:15] <pehden> /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: /etc/postfix/master.cf: unused parameter: smtpd_bind_address=127.0.0.1[07:37:23] <jimpop> pehden: post your master.cf in a pastebin and send us the link[07:37:42] <pehden> ok[07:39:18] <pehden> http://pastebin.com/MtHyB0VG[07:40:33] <pehden> jimpop^^[07:40:40] <jimpop> yes, looking at it[07:40:46] <pehden> ok kool[07:41:11] *** d3c has quit IRC[07:41:42] <jimpop> you have smtpd_bind_address, you want smtp_bind_address[07:41:50] <pehden> ok[07:41:58] <jimpop> there is no smtpD_bind_address ;-)[07:42:06] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[07:46:14] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[07:46:57] <pehden> ok error went away for that but now i cant connect to my email[07:48:41] <pehden> connection refused[07:50:15] <jimpop> i don't know what you mean by cant connect to my email[07:50:27] <jimpop> !tell pehden welcome[07:50:28] <knoba> pehden: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[07:51:02] <pehden> i was babling for a sec.[07:51:22] <pehden> im going to verify its running[07:51:30] <pehden> then ill ask the right question[07:56:27] <pehden> um with netstat it doesnt apear to be running postfix or dovecot[07:57:39] <jimpop> ps -ef[07:57:41] <jimpop> ?[07:57:46] <pehden> ok port 25 is only thing open[07:57:59] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[07:59:12] <pehden> postfix 5280 2665 0 00:54 ? 00:00:00 scache -l -t unix[07:59:32] <jimpop> looks like postfix is running[08:00:10] <pehden> its running but theres no ports open for it?[08:00:28] <pehden> should 1430 and 110 be open listening[08:00:34] <pehden> *143[08:00:59] <jimpop> postfix listens on port 25. 110 is pop3, i think[08:01:04] <jimpop> not sure about 143[08:01:34] <pehden> 143 is imap[08:01:55] <jimpop> well imap has nothing to do with postfix ;-)[08:02:09] <pehden> hmm[08:03:28] <pehden> i just noticed my main.cf everything in there has smtpd_[08:04:41] <jimpop> main.cf is for postfix, and smtpd is the main postfix process used for incoming email received on port 25[08:05:08] <pehden> o[08:05:10] <pehden> ok[08:13:48] <pehden> netstat -lpt shows it runing but not the port[08:15:10] *** abramart has quit IRC[08:15:21] *** abramart has joined #postfix[08:17:15] *** beginer has joined #postfix[08:32:41] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[08:33:01] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[08:50:21] *** scientes has quit IRC[09:14:12] *** tjikkun_work has joined #postfix[09:14:31] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[09:18:22] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[09:19:39] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[09:28:45] *** elico has quit IRC[09:28:56] *** elico has joined #postfix[09:29:15] *** Steve_The_Pirate has joined #postfix[09:34:32] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[09:42:43] *** d3c has joined #postfix[09:53:05] *** Silowyi has quit IRC[10:04:13] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[10:05:51] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[10:11:16] *** jkfod has quit IRC[10:11:56] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[10:12:22] *** Tykling has quit IRC[10:13:54] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[10:15:38] *** naquad has quit IRC[10:15:38] *** chris| has quit IRC[10:15:39] *** cite has quit IRC[10:17:00] *** chris| has joined #postfix[10:17:08] *** cite has joined #postfix[10:17:51] *** naquad has joined #postfix[10:20:54] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[10:26:46] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:45:01] *** biggi_mat has joined #postfix[10:46:43] <pehden> #dovecot[10:49:42] *** enoch has joined #postfix[10:49:45] *** enoch has joined #postfix[10:49:54] *** danblack has quit IRC[10:50:10] *** rzimmermann has joined #postfix[10:50:39] <enoch> is there a way to limit the max send-speed in postfix?[10:52:21] <UQlev> enoch: do you want to have queue flood?[10:52:56] <enoch> yes[10:53:02] <enoch> wait[10:53:06] <enoch> i have to send a newsletter[10:53:06] <enoch> :D[10:53:24] <enoch> and i want to send like... a mail every 3 seconds...[10:53:46] <enoch> i want to know if my postfix server have an higher limit before i start[10:53:54] <UQlev> then write a script and run it evry 3 min[10:54:30] <enoch> 3 seconds.. not min[10:54:48] <UQlev> whatever seconds.. min.. hous[10:55:14] <enoch> ok nice[10:55:14] <enoch> :D[10:57:48] <enoch> and if i set no limit?[10:57:58] <enoch> will be taken as spam?[11:00:59] <UQlev> enoch: regret I am not very experienced in bulk mailing. Never sent more than 20 messages a day[11:03:59] <UQlev> enoch: before planning to send numerous messages you should make pflogsumm analysis to estimate average time for delivery of 1 message per destination[11:14:49] *** jkfod has quit IRC[11:17:35] *** gaberlunzie has joined #postfix[11:18:50] *** rotbeard has quit IRC[11:19:35] *** gaberlunzie has left #postfix[11:20:08] *** gaberlunzie has joined #postfix[11:20:40] *** gaberlunzie has left #postfix[11:50:07] *** zz_cornfeed has quit IRC[11:52:43] *** jbeard has joined #postfix[11:52:59] *** znull has quit IRC[11:52:59] *** znull has joined #postfix[12:00:33] *** KippiX has joined #postfix[12:01:29] *** zz_cornfeed has joined #postfix[12:03:38] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[12:04:22] *** snearch has joined #postfix[12:06:14] *** koshie has quit IRC[12:06:27] *** koshie has joined #postfix[12:27:38] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:45:29] *** Driver has joined #postfix[12:45:38] *** KippiX has quit IRC[13:01:58] *** OpenSys has quit IRC[13:09:34] *** Uninstall has quit IRC[13:10:05] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[13:10:06] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[13:11:03] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[13:11:03] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[13:12:33] *** OpenSys has joined #postfix[13:18:59] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[13:20:32] *** chadmaynard has joined #postfix[13:35:31] *** OpenSys has quit IRC[13:36:13] *** OpenSys has joined #postfix[13:48:56] *** on1ald- has joined #postfix[13:49:08] *** on1ald has quit IRC[13:55:02] *** chadmaynard has quit IRC[14:06:26] *** snearch has quit IRC[14:07:49] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:08:51] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[14:25:16] *** MaximusColourum has joined #postfix[14:25:37] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[14:31:28] *** Steve_The_Pirate has joined #postfix[14:32:10] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[14:32:11] *** [diablo] has joined #postfix[14:37:33] *** hjbehling has quit IRC[14:46:28] *** lumlum has joined #postfix[14:48:38] *** sep has quit IRC[14:50:22] *** lumlum has left #postfix[14:50:27] *** lumlum has joined #postfix[14:50:53] *** sep has joined #postfix[14:52:13] <lumlum> hey guys![14:53:03] <lumlum> how can i make postfix rewrite all destinaton addresses from gmail.de to googlemail.de?[14:53:16] <lunaphyte_> eh?[14:53:25] <lunaphyte_> mail should be properly addressed by its creator[14:53:50] <lumlum> it should, but it isnt always[14:54:52] <lumlum> afaik gmail.de was closed because of a lawsuit and all mailadresse were moved to googlemail.de[14:55:21] <lumlum> many people here still register with their old gmail adresses and thus get no mails[14:56:19] <patdk-wk> just do a search/replcae in your db?[14:58:26] <lumlum> that would have to be repeated on a regular basis ... you could say a cronjob would do, but in my case this isnt possible that easy[14:58:27] *** kaos01 has quit IRC[14:58:51] <patdk-wk> heh?[14:59:24] <lumlum> dont get me wrong, i dont particulary like the address rewrite thingy it that case, but it is the smaller evil[15:00:36] <lumlum> people keep registering with their gmail adresses, so a onetime search/replace in the db doenst solve the problem[15:00:40] *** KippiX has joined #postfix[15:00:55] <lumlum> im just looking for a workaround ...[15:01:18] <lumlum> so ... is it possible? how?[15:01:36] <lunaphyte_> oh - so just reject that domain name then[15:03:16] <lumlum> i cant access the registration form to block it[15:03:28] <patdk-wk> it's possible, it's ugly, and likely cause you more issues later[15:03:29] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[15:03:52] <lunaphyte_> registration form?[15:03:55] <patdk-wk> I would just update the database, and add something to the *registration* to reject that domain, or atleast warn them[15:04:21] <patdk-wk> how come no one has control over their own systems?[15:04:32] <lumlum> that would be best, i know, but this cannot be done[15:04:40] <lumlum> it isnt my own system[15:04:59] <lumlum> i just set up the mailserver[15:05:00] <lunaphyte_> i'm confused.[15:05:11] <lumlum> *gg[15:05:32] <lunaphyte_> keep it simple. should people be emailing foo at gmail dot de or not?[15:06:07] *** cps0 has quit IRC[15:07:37] <lumlum> yes, they should[15:07:41] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[15:09:06] <lumlum> but gmail.de has no mx anymore[15:09:23] <lumlum> gmail.de is now googlemail.de[15:11:09] <lunaphyte_> if there is no mx, then how can the answer be yes they should?[15:11:58] <lumlum> the people, who want me send them a mail claim they have a address @gmail.de[15:12:13] <lumlum> but i cant send there[15:12:28] <lumlum> so i could say that this is their own fault[15:13:43] <lumlum> that would be the cleanest, simplest solution[15:14:50] <lumlum> but a part of those people simply think, im ignoring them and keep looking for another service provider[15:15:42] *** Hamra has joined #postfix[15:16:06] <lunaphyte_> it would probably be helpful to explain in more detail what all of this is actually for.[15:17:08] <lumlum> okay[15:18:16] <Hamra> i have a working postfix setup, receiving email for a virtual domain domain.tld, and allows sending emails from @domain.tld for authenticated users. how can i add a custom header to all email going out, but not the one received?[15:18:29] *** mandragor has quit IRC[15:18:39] <Hamra> i known about PREPEND, but no idea where or on which conditions to put it[15:18:42] *** mandragor has joined #postfix[15:18:54] <lumlum> a user registers at a website (which cant be changed, so gmail.de address cant be blocked) and awaits confirmation, which never arrives[15:20:09] <lunaphyte_> Hamra: you need to set up a proper submission service[15:21:58] <Hamra> is the service written at the bottom of this page, what i need? http://www.mail-archive.com/postfix-users at postfix dot org/msg13220.html[15:22:25] *** lumlum has quit IRC[15:23:40] <lunaphyte_> !tell Hamra submission[15:23:41] <knoba> Hamra: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[15:26:46] *** beginer has quit IRC[15:40:15] <Hamra> what does "milter_macro_daemon_name=ORIGINATING" mean, or do?[15:41:29] <Hamra> nvm, found it :)[15:42:07] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:43:54] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[15:46:41] *** znull has quit IRC[15:56:03] *** elex1111113 has joined #postfix[15:56:29] <Hamra> hmm... ok, so now i have a submission service, and it works... what then? add an "-o header_checks ..." line underneath it in master.cf?[15:58:11] <lunaphyte_> yeah[15:58:18] *** Section1 has quit IRC[16:06:42] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[16:08:03] *** corretico has joined #postfix[16:17:08] *** ssureshot has joined #postfix[16:17:14] *** weedar has joined #postfix[16:18:43] *** mandragor has quit IRC[16:28:54] *** jkfod has quit IRC[16:44:40] <Hamra> !msa[16:44:40] <knoba> Hamra: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. 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I'd like one of them to archive the mail and one of them to deliver mail to the users Mailbox.[18:01:31] <Zerberus> fr00d: check the bcc functionality[18:02:17] *** [diablo] has quit IRC[18:03:44] <iocc> whats wrong when smtp_bind_address = 193.228.143.2 , smtp_bind_address6 = 2a00:1a28:1152::2 doesnt work. It sends mail out from an other IP...?[18:05:04] <fr00d> Zerberus: The all mail goes to this one bcc address. What I like to do is to clone every mail which runs through this mailserver and even deliver it to the correct mailbox in background. The only difference for the archive would be that no user has access to the archive.[18:06:38] <Zerberus> fr00d: check the bcc functionality of postfix[18:08:04] *** rotbeard has joined #postfix[18:10:59] *** elex1111113 has joined #postfix[18:12:46] <fr00d> (receipient|sender)_bcc_maps sounds good.[18:15:43] *** elex1111113 has quit IRC[18:19:06] *** rotbeard has quit IRC[18:25:15] *** snearch has quit IRC[18:32:39] *** on1ald- has quit IRC[18:33:43] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[18:38:31] *** jbeard_ has joined #postfix[18:39:44] *** jbeard has quit IRC[18:41:00] *** MaximusColourum has quit IRC[18:42:13] *** jbeard_ has quit IRC[18:46:34] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[18:48:14] *** adrian15 has joined #postfix[18:54:23] <adrian15> If I redirect my own domain emails thanks to a transport... should this transport in master.cf use smtp as command or... should it use local because it is a local delivery ? I am currently getting "loopbacks to myself errors". postconf -n: http://paste.debian.net/175308/ ; master.cf (relevant part: http://paste.debian.net/175309/ . Thank you.[18:54:33] *** wimpog has joined #postfix[18:54:46] <wimpog> patdk-wk: hi[18:54:53] <wimpog> roe: hi[18:55:02] *** Steve_The_Pirate has joined #postfix[18:56:37] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[18:59:02] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[19:00:00] <tharkun> !tell adrian15 relevant logs[19:00:00] <knoba> tharkun: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:00:06] <tharkun> !tell adrian15 relevant_logs[19:00:06] <knoba> adrian15: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[19:00:19] <tharkun> also[19:00:25] <tharkun> !tell adrian15 loopback[19:00:25] <knoba> adrian15: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[19:02:52] *** TRUNASUCI has joined #postfix[19:04:26] <adrian15> tharkun: About the loopback. The main.cf file: virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_domains.cf which maps to mysql and the domain is there. mydestination = is empty. Am I supposed to put there my domain ? Thank you.[19:06:28] <tharkun> !tell adrian15 mydestination[19:06:28] <knoba> adrian15: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.[19:07:31] <tharkun> adrian15: puedo estar suponiendo cuarentamil cosas todo el día, pon los logs relevantes para poder identificar el problema de fondo y dar una solución más pronta[19:08:05] <adrian15> tharkun: Sorry about not being fast enough. Here you are: http://paste.debian.net/175311/ .[19:12:03] <tharkun> adrian15: please read the loopback factoid again. And if you are transporting to some other server use [ip] to avoid mx lookups[19:12:38] <tharkun> BTW loopbacks are usually due to misconfigured dns records so munging those makes pinpointing wag[19:15:48] <adrian15> tharkun: Well, here's the full picture: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2012-06/0258.html . Trying to solve in my own but it seems I need more help. Dns MX solves to the same machine ip so I think it's ok. I'm transporting to the same machine, actually I use the transport so that I can setup a different relay_destination_rate_delay.[19:21:28] *** robinho861 has joined #postfix[19:21:39] <adrian15> tharkun: I was wondering... if I want to check if Postfix is parsing ok: virtual_mailbox_domains in runtime... How do I do that?[19:22:13] *** robinho86 has quit IRC[19:22:17] *** robinho861 has quit IRC[19:22:43] <tharkun> !tell adrian15 postmapq[19:22:44] <knoba> adrian15: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.[19:26:48] <adrian15> tharkun: postmapq went OK. The domain is found.[19:27:35] *** zhnsdt has joined #postfix[19:28:08] <zhnsdt> hey, my postfix installation seems to be broken. I get this error message when wordpress tries to send mail:[19:28:27] <zhnsdt> Jun 19 19:25:36 engines postfix/smtp[2227]: B7A203FF5C: to=<ofwiow at mailinator dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.07, delays=0.01/0/0.06/0, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mailinator.com type=MX: Host not found, try again)[19:29:46] <tharkun> zhnsdt: Check how you are resolving dns and fix accordingly[19:29:47] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[19:30:19] <zhnsdt> tharkun:[19:30:20] <zhnsdt> mailinator.com[19:30:33] <zhnsdt> root@engines:~# host mailinator.com[19:30:33] <zhnsdt> mailinator.com has address 76.74.239.26[19:30:33] <zhnsdt> mailinator.com mail is handled by 10 mailinator.com.[19:30:34] <zhnsdt> root@engines:~#[19:30:56] <tharkun> zhnsdt: use dig not host[19:31:13] <Zerberus> zhnsdt: don't paste here! fix your postfix chroot[19:32:25] <zhnsdt> tharkun: http://pastebin.com/wkHjBBSH[19:32:49] <zhnsdt> Zerberus: what do you mean with postfix chroot?[19:33:01] <tharkun> zhnsdt: are you running debian or one of its derivatives?[19:33:02] <zhnsdt> this is a vanilla postfix install in ubuntu 12.10[19:33:07] <Zerberus> zhnsdt: your postfix is chrooted and lacks the resolver configuration[19:33:10] <zhnsdt> tharkun: yes, ubuntu[19:33:17] <zhnsdt> Zerberus: ah[19:33:18] <tharkun> zhnsdt: do /etc/init.d/postfix restart[19:33:24] <zhnsdt> I did that[19:33:30] <tharkun> and?[19:33:41] <zhnsdt> it works sometimes, then it stopps working[19:33:52] <zhnsdt> and not it just stoped working completely[19:34:07] <Zerberus> zhnsdt: you run an ubuntu not released so far?[19:34:28] <tharkun> zhnsdt: it is dns dependant your problem fix however you resolv dns and make it stable enough for postfix to work[19:34:31] <adrian15> tharkun: After re-reading the loopback factoid as you suggested I see that it says: "Wanted to send out the mail to the internet". I'm probably wronb but might it be that transport that I use to handle emails at my dot doamin.com that finally goes to smtp should go to local ? This is master.cf (relevant part) again: http://paste.debian.net/175309/ .[19:34:46] <zhnsdt> Zerberus: 12.04[19:35:30] <zhnsdt> tharkun: i didnt get that last line, how do you mean? what is the solution to my problem?[19:35:48] <tharkun> adrian15: there is a factoid for exactly that. I just can't recall it. but if you leave the local transport out of your table it should deliver locally fine[19:36:31] <tharkun> zhnsdt: /etc/init.d/postfix restart is the debian/ubuntu initialization script and among other stuff it rebuilds your chroot.[19:36:42] <zhnsdt> tharkun: aha[19:36:51] <tharkun> If you notice your /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf is different from your system wide one[19:37:25] <adrian15> tharkun: Do you mean if I remove my.domain.com from transport file ?[19:37:34] <zhnsdt> tharkun: I see now, thanks![19:37:37] <tharkun> adrian15: yes[19:37:39] <tharkun> zhnsdt: yw[19:37:52] <tharkun> bbl[19:39:12] <adrian15> tharkun: Yes. That's the current setup which I don't want because it forces a 15 second for my local delivery. So... the problem comes when I add that transport line... I suspect that I have to change something at master.cf but I'm too newbie in Postfix stuff.[19:39:50] <adrian15> !tell adrian15 transport[19:39:50] <knoba> adrian15: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html[19:53:50] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[19:54:31] <adrian15> tharkun: As far as I understand if virtual_mailbox_domains is defined I don't need to define mydestination because postfix will try to deliver locally the emails sent to virtual_mailbox_domains domains. Did I get it right? Thank you.[19:55:30] *** shoonya has quit IRC[19:56:16] <lunaphyte> no[19:56:53] <adrian15> lunaphyte: Do you mean I'm wrong ?[19:56:57] <lunaphyte> yes[19:57:29] <lunaphyte> a given destination [e.g. a domain] can be in either virtual_mailbox_domains or in mydestination. it cannot be in both[19:58:35] <adrian15> lunaphyte: Ok. So... If a domain is specified in virtual_mailbox_domains it does not imply postfix trying to deliver it locally. Is that what you meant when saying I was wrong ?[19:58:49] <lunaphyte> no[19:58:57] <lunaphyte> everything you said was wrong[19:59:16] <thumbs> heh[20:00:03] <adrian15> lunaphyte: :( ;)[20:00:49] <thumbs> reading back, I agree[20:01:21] <adrian15> lunaphyte: I only want to make sure that emails that are sent to @my.domain.com gets a 0 seconds delay throttle and then are delivered locally.[20:01:39] * lunaphyte wonders what "delivered locally" actually means.[20:02:16] <JPT> since when is email about speed?[20:02:26] <adrian15> lunaphyte: To the local hard disk[20:04:03] <lunaphyte> why are you using virtual_mailbox_domains?[20:04:05] <adrian15> JPT: It's for a bulk mail server. I need 15 second (or whatever) delay for every email sent on per a domain basis. And I have it already implemented. But I don¡t want that behaviour when emails are received locally. And that's what I'm trying to fix.[20:05:31] <adrian15> lunaphyte: I use virtual_mailbox_domains because I used this howto as a template for my setup: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ . Having it in a database makes it easier to update it from scripts and so on too.[20:05:57] <lunaphyte> oh, heh. i don't support howtos[20:09:58] <thumbs> if you used a howto, you must be sure you're experienced enough to adapt it to your needs[20:11:08] *** heller_barde has joined #postfix[20:13:01] <adrian15> lunaphyte: How to achieve what I want to do from a vanilla Postfix installation, then ? http://blog.al-shami.net/2009/03/throttling-outgoing-emails-to-certain-domains-with-postfix/ seems quite similar but not sure I wouldn't have the same problem though.[20:16:01] <adrian15> thumbs: You're right. Postfix seems more complex than I thought. And the manuals that I find are quite cryptic. I think I will have to deep-read the official Postfix documentation.[20:22:14] *** enoch has quit IRC[20:22:56] <adrian15> Well, I need to leave. 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After following a tuto, I believe I set it up correctly.[22:40:35] <arussel> to forward mail to smtp server.[22:40:42] *** biggi_mat has quit IRC[22:40:51] <arussel> to test the setting, I 'sendmail -bv me at gmail dot com'[22:40:59] *** jkfod has quit IRC[22:41:17] <arussel> user ubuntu on the server do get a telling him the mail was deliverd ok[22:41:30] <arussel> but in my gmail mailbox, I don't get anything[22:41:51] <arussel> there is no mail.err and in mail.log nothing I can find wrong.[22:42:03] <roe> !welcome[22:42:03] <knoba> roe: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[22:45:22] <arussel> here is my conf: http://pastie.org/4116598[22:45:50] <arussel> when sending mail with 'mail', I receive coming from Ubuntu ubuntu at ip-10-250-103-95 dot ec2.internal[22:45:59] <roe> and the logs?[22:48:04] <arussel> not sure what is the relevant part: you need to tell me what could be relevant, there is no mail.err[22:48:15] <arussel> http://pastie.org/4116613[22:48:31] <roe> arussel, how about the entire transaction?[22:49:08] <arussel> isn't that the entire transaction ? the one starting at 20:43:39[22:49:16] <rob0> !relevant_logs[22:49:17] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[22:51:19] <arussel> can't find anything more relevant[22:51:46] <rob0> relay=smtp.server.com[72.249.145.203]: contact them and ask what happened with 8FD4A69AC03A[22:51:55] <rob0> I have a WAG ...[22:52:28] <rob0> they were unable to deliver it because of a bad sender address, and unable to deliver the bounce for the same reason.[22:52:55] *** Areckx has quit IRC[22:52:55] <rob0> from=<ubuntu at ip-10-250-103-95 dot ec2.internal> <-- not a real address[22:53:16] <rob0> !basic[22:53:16] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[22:54:26] <arussel> but gmail server could give it to me when using mail[22:54:38] <rob0> !mail[22:54:38] <knoba> rob0: "mail" : mail(1) (also known as mailx(1) or bsd-mailx) is not a Postfix-provided command. For help with it, see its man page. More powerful, commonly available console- and CLI-based MUAs include mutt, alpine and heirloom mailx (likewise, not supported here.)[22:55:26] <rob0> Explain to me how this "ubuntu at ip-10-250-103-95 dot ec2.internal" is a real address. I don't understand.[22:55:59] <arussel> the smtp server is inside amazon dns[22:56:32] <arussel> the ip is used from server to server there.[22:56:34] <rob0> If you send mail with a bogus sender address, no one will accept it.[22:57:24] <arussel> the sender address will be set by the application (tomcat), I just want to check that the forwarding is ok[22:57:26] <rob0> If I got mail from=<ubuntu at ip-10-250-103-95 dot ec2.internal> my server would reject it.[22:57:50] <arussel> can I use sendmail to send mail as you at gmail dot com ?[22:58:17] <rob0> "man sendmail", sure. I doubt gmail would like that, but have fun.[22:58:48] *** biggi_mat has joined #postfix[23:04:26] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:04:38] *** cilly has joined #postfix[23:07:54] <arussel> from a valid address it worked[23:08:01] <arussel> thans for your help[23:08:36] *** biggi_mat has quit IRC[23:12:08] *** arussel has quit IRC[23:19:13] <jeev> anyone having problems sending to yahoo ?[23:19:19] *** TRUNASUCI has quit IRC[23:19:22] <jeev> connection refused everywhere[23:19:38] *** s0ber has quit IRC[23:19:59] <jeev> 420 Resources unavailable temporarily. Please try later (mta1222.mail.ac4.yahoo.com)[23:20:00] <jeev> Escape character is '^]'.[23:20:00] <jeev> Connection closed by foreign host.[23:20:04] <jeev> on the other ip. stupid yahoo[23:21:08] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[23:23:44] *** breaker313 has quit IRC[23:26:36] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[23:27:00] *** tr-808 has quit IRC[23:28:01] *** tr-808 has joined #postfix[23:31:46] <jimpop> jeev: yes[23:31:47] <jimpop> (host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net[98.139.54.60] refused to talk to me: 420 Resources unavailable temporarily. Please try later (mta1295.mail.ac4.yahoo.com))[23:33:16] <jeev> yea their twitter shows it[23:33:18] *** Toerkeium has joined #postfix[23:33:19] <jeev> i sent someone an important quote, fark[23:33:22] <jeev> stupid yahoo[23:33:30] <jeev> which losers use yahoo, shit[23:38:36] <tharkun> jeev: I've been using yahoo for the last 20 or so years IIRC[23:39:29] <rob0> Loser! Loser![23:39:53] * tharkun slaps rob0 with jeev's thumbs[23:39:59] * jeev moves tharkun from questionable to loser list[23:40:03] * jeev has his pen ready for more[23:40:09] <rob0> oh, sneaky[23:40:17] <jeev> rob0, sorry. my thumbs were in my ass and now they're all over your face[23:41:13] <tharkun> Anyway this yahoo account was set up waaaay before there was hotmail let alone google. IIRC Ibm had dial up on mexico City[23:41:29] <rob0> tharkun, next time please dip the thumbs in jelly. Thanks.[23:41:32] <jeev> i've been running a mail server since i coded postfix.[23:42:20] <tharkun> rob0: Small inconvinience i will take note on that[23:42:44] <tharkun> jeev: IIRC there was only sendmail back then. There was no exim or postfix[23:43:51] *** svip has joined #postfix[23:45:22] <tharkun> !yahoo[23:45:22] <knoba> tharkun: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through. For bulk mail issues this contact is helpful: <mail-abuse-bulk at cc dot yahoo-inc.com>[23:47:15] <svip> :S My server is not delivering my mails to my .forward, despite being in my virtual file. I cannot find any sign of the mails in logs. But it is still capable of forwarding mails sent by cronjob or other programs.[23:47:53] *** kaos01 has joined #postfix[23:48:20] <tharkun> !tell swip welcome[23:48:20] <knoba> swip: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[23:49:24] <svip> tharkun: Hmm... it appears to be working. Helps when the thing you test with is connected to the Internet.[23:50:31] <wimpog> If I get "Your host name dosen't match with your IP address", do I need to change the hostname for the entire machine, or can I only change the hostname that Postfix reports[23:51:22] <tharkun> jeev: relay=mta7.am0.yahoodns.net[98.139.54.60]:25, delay=16, delays=0.18/0.01/13/2.3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok[23:53:35] <roe> !tell wimpog fcrdns[23:53:35] <knoba> wimpog: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[23:53:59] <jeev> tharkun, just tried it..[23:54:25] <wimpog> roe: thank you, fixing it now![23:54:29] <jeev> same for me[23:55:41] <tharkun> jeev: check logs, sometimes I get that throtlin when lots of users send to yahoo.com or anyother of their tlds[23:56:32] <jeev> i will wait[23:56:38] <jeev> not that important i guess[23:56:48] <wimpog> roe: thank you! It worked[23:56:48] <jeev> i'm sureit'll be good soon, it throttled me after telneting so much on another server[23:57:43] <jeev> i just saw it go through[23:59:03] <jimpop> 50% of mine just went through... still queing the other 50%[23:59:59] <jimpop> we're talking about Panda Express lunches, right?