June 16, 2012 
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June 16, 2012 [00:00:12] <jwing> hmm.. this is all cisco's iron thing. I've heard a few rumblings about problems w/ how those things behave.[00:01:57] <jwing> that webpage gives you a resolution by contacting their support address.[00:02:11] <jwing> .. support at sendbase dot org[00:02:28] <jwing> err.. support at senderbase dot or[00:02:29] <jwing> org[00:02:39] <jwing> geez.. fingers won't type anymore[00:10:51] *** e-anima has quit IRC[00:17:08] *** wdp has joined #postfix[00:20:55] *** Allex944 has left #postfix[00:35:09] *** tomo\inai has quit IRC[00:35:37] *** tomo\inai has joined #postfix[00:39:30] *** d3c has quit IRC[01:10:38] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:13:23] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[01:19:40] *** danblack has joined #postfix[01:20:43] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[01:26:35] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[01:28:53] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[01:44:38] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[02:14:16] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[02:21:17] *** rmayorga is now known as rmayorga_[02:21:19] *** rmayorga_ is now known as rmayorga[02:41:56] *** jkfod has quit IRC[03:06:09] *** zamba has quit IRC[03:07:36] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[03:07:46] *** zamba has joined #postfix[03:24:05] *** danblack has quit IRC[03:44:29] *** danblack has joined #postfix[03:54:41] *** rob0 is now known as rob0_[03:54:43] *** rob0_ is now known as rob0__[03:54:46] *** rob0__ is now known as rob0[04:24:04] *** Facefox has quit IRC[05:06:33] *** Blwch has joined #postfix[05:38:58] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[05:47:50] *** Bry8Star has quit IRC[05:48:54] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:50:56] *** Bry8Star has joined #postfix[05:54:11] *** enoch has joined #postfix[05:58:45] *** enoch has quit IRC[06:11:45] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:13:28] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:36:48] *** elex1111111 has joined #postfix[06:55:43] *** elex1111111 has quit IRC[07:01:25] *** elex1111111 has joined #postfix[07:30:38] *** elex1111111 has quit IRC[07:54:20] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[08:09:38] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[08:11:40] *** enoch has joined #postfix[08:13:04] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:13:23] *** enoch has quit IRC[08:24:14] *** himik has joined #postfix[08:29:07] *** elex1111111 has joined #postfix[08:48:17] *** elex1111111 has quit IRC[09:08:28] *** hanibana has joined #postfix[09:11:08] *** Uninstall has quit IRC[09:11:24] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[09:11:25] *** Uninstall has joined #postfix[09:16:39] <hanibana> I have over 1000 messages on my postfix queue. They seems to be the bounce mails to unknown senders. What's the best practice to manage such situation in postfix? Letting the messages be there? Deleting messages older than some specific time? Does postfix drop them eventually? When? 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I see they offer massive free email access[15:26:03] *** Chiku|dc has joined #postfix[15:48:55] <PatrickDK> probably[15:49:07] <PatrickDK> yahoo/gmail/hotmail all offer free email also, and they are spam sources[16:08:53] <tuxick> indeed[16:09:05] <tuxick> despite their supposedly good filters[16:09:54] <tuxick> i'm trying to figure out if it's possibly to run assp filter on remote box, meaning postfix should forward requests to remote assp, and get them back again[16:09:58] <_abc_> Human monkeys get paid to send email, there is no way to avoid that[16:10:17] <tuxick> if it's local you make assp listen on :25[16:17:53] <tuxick> aha, smtpd_proxy_filter :)[16:18:00] <tuxick> i knew it had to be possible :)[16:26:39] *** Corey has quit IRC[16:26:45] *** evilTabmow has quit IRC[16:26:45] *** LoRez has quit IRC[16:26:45] *** Tabmow has quit IRC[16:27:06] *** Tabmow has joined #postfix[16:27:22] *** Corey has joined #postfix[16:27:31] *** evilTabmow has joined #postfix[16:36:41] <_abc_> Is there a canned method to find out if my isp filters incoming port 25?[16:38:01] <lunaphyte> telnet[16:38:58] <_abc_> Heh I can run telnet on my host on port 25 and try to telnet in from elsewhere, but is there a ready made test? Like a port scan type on the net?[16:39:33] <lunaphyte> telnet is a ready made test. why would it be any more complex than that?[16:39:56] <_abc_> because I am too lazy to run telnetd on port 25?![16:40:07] <PatrickDK> heh?[16:40:22] <lunaphyte> why would you need to run telnetd?[16:40:43] <_abc_> sigh. Running date is enough.[16:40:56] * _abc_ is tempted to try now[16:54:10] <_abc_> http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scan/ I was looking for this[16:58:32] <tuxick> why on earth? you're not making sense[16:59:05] <_abc_> My isp blocks 25 incoming[16:59:09] <_abc_> I had to test this, yes?[16:59:25] <lunaphyte> why would you want to over complicate things with some web site instead of simply using telnet?[16:59:52] <_abc_> lunaphyte: because I had to program a telnet session into my phone to be able to reach 'myself' from the outside?[17:00:01] <_abc_> and clicking on a page is easyer.[17:00:02] <tmberg> _abc_: http://www.canyouseeme.org/ ?[17:00:11] <_abc_> Yes something like that.[17:00:21] <tuxick> ooh[17:00:28] <lunaphyte> program a telnet session? what does that mean? why is your phone involved?[17:00:35] <_abc_> sigh[17:00:36] <lunaphyte> shell into some other computer, then run telnet.[17:00:41] <tuxick> his only connection from outside[17:00:45] <tuxick> now i get it[17:00:50] <_abc_> the other computer is called 'a phone' in this case[17:01:01] *** jvm_ has joined #postfix[17:01:02] <lunaphyte> oh, heh. you have no other computers elsewhere you can use?[17:01:09] <tuxick> lunaphyte: i'm afraid we're too used to having access to multiple systems :)[17:01:14] <lunaphyte> i guess.[17:01:19] <_abc_> Sure i have but there is no need to compromise them at this time :)[17:01:24] <lunaphyte> compromise?[17:01:28] <_abc_> re-sigh[17:01:31] <tuxick> ;p[17:01:43] <_abc_> lunaphyte: are you very young and bright eyed?[17:01:49] <_abc_> and possibly female and blonde?[17:01:49] <adaptr> _abc_: stop behaving like a tired old knowitall[17:01:54] <_abc_> lol[17:01:55] <_abc_> okay[17:02:01] <adaptr> oh, fuck that. ban his ass[17:02:16] <lunaphyte> too much hyperbole here. icky.[17:02:18] <jvm_> hi. i have a postfix/dovecot/squeeze system up and running, only one problem: moving messages via imap doesn't work. how do i debug/fix?[17:02:33] <adaptr> jvm_: ask #yourimapserverhere[17:02:33] <tuxick> that's not a postfix issue then[17:02:34] <PatrickDK> dunno, but that isn't part of postfix[17:02:39] <lunaphyte> jvm_: imap isn't postfix[17:02:59] <jvm_> damn.[17:03:09] <jvm_> thanks.[17:03:10] <_abc_> squirrelmail works well with postfix, right? I used it once with postfix circa 2005. Any special issues when setting this up?[17:03:19] <PatrickDK> I would recommend using dovecot 2.x though, and use doveadm to backup/mirror it[17:03:33] <PatrickDK> _abc_, webmail has nothing to do with postfix[17:03:40] <lunaphyte> _abc_: connecting to another computer somewhere else and using telnet to test something has nothing to do with "compromise", unless they are computer to which you should not have access anyway.[17:03:46] <PatrickDK> webmail is normally completely based on your imap server[17:04:10] <PatrickDK> lunaphyte tell my isp that, using telnet to their servers, and they banned me, for hacking them[17:04:16] *** jvm_ has left #postfix[17:04:19] <_abc_> Well it sends mail to postfix and receives from postfix on the same machine. All the heavy lifting is done by postfix, for squirrelmail.[17:04:30] <lunaphyte> huh?[17:04:39] <lunaphyte> _abc_: what are you talking about?[17:04:42] <PatrickDK> since when does webmail *receive* mail from postfix?[17:04:53] *** The_Ball has quit IRC[17:04:57] <_abc_> well popd etc[17:05:01] <lunaphyte> PatrickDK: erm - why were you telnetting to their servers?[17:05:03] <adaptr> POP?!?!?[17:05:05] <PatrickDK> popd != postfix[17:05:11] <_abc_> I am not using imap[17:05:20] <PatrickDK> lunaphyte cause they gave me shell access[17:05:22] <lunaphyte> yikes.[17:05:39] <lunaphyte> PatrickDK: well that is just brain dead. they gave you access, then when you used it, they banned you?[17:05:56] <PatrickDK> apparently, they didn't know how to configure their system[17:06:12] <PatrickDK> they where using bsd, and setup real shell access users, instead of ppp only[17:06:22] <lunaphyte> oh, i see.[17:06:22] <adaptr> if they gave you telnet access, they didn't know much of anything[17:06:24] <tuxick> like my isp[17:06:42] <tuxick> don't think i ever used the shell but it's there[17:06:43] <lunaphyte> you got caught up by the difference in intent vs. reality.[17:06:53] <PatrickDK> yep[17:07:08] <PatrickDK> but they blamed me hacking their servers, and giving myself shell[17:07:16] <lunaphyte> actually, that's interesting, and a great example of the nonsense that comes up often regarding "public caching nameservers"[17:07:43] <PatrickDK> oh ya, vonage also called me, and bitched I was hacking their servers :)[17:07:54] <PatrickDK> cause I was responding to the port 123 requests they where making to me[17:08:07] <adaptr> ITYM 113[17:08:10] <adaptr> ident[17:08:14] <PatrickDK> 123 == ntp[17:08:15] <lunaphyte> surely not ntp..[17:08:22] <lunaphyte> they were making ntp requests to you?[17:08:26] <PatrickDK> yep[17:08:29] <adaptr> THEY were making NTP requests to YOU ?[17:08:29] <lunaphyte> wtf[17:08:33] <PatrickDK> every 15min[17:08:54] <PatrickDK> managed to catch a tcpdump of it on the phone with theguy[17:08:54] <adaptr> of course, the helpful fellow that you are, you advertised a stratum 0 clock source[17:09:03] <adaptr> and their network died[17:09:06] <PatrickDK> explained it to him ,and he was happy, and was going track down the *new* admin[17:09:23] *** Silowyi has joined #postfix[17:09:29] <lunaphyte> this is the result of folks like our friend here getting jobs.[17:09:35] <tuxick> :)[17:09:41] <PatrickDK> heh[17:09:44] <PatrickDK> the best yet :)[17:09:55] <adaptr> lunaphyte: I don't mind them getting jobs. just...not IT jobs[17:09:56] <PatrickDK> someone had a t1 line, and bitched I was hacking them, and he was going call the fbi[17:10:07] <PatrickDK> he knew it was me, cause he had my MAC address, on his t1 line[17:10:07] <lunaphyte> adaptr: hear hear[17:10:21] <adaptr> go be a politician or something, where you can't do any real damage[17:11:12] <tuxick> some politicians can do serious damage[17:11:28] <lunaphyte> better yet - instead of trying to turn the it industry into the contemporary industrial field, just go get a job at an actual factory where you don't have to think for yourself.[17:11:29] <adaptr> those could learn to do IT properly, too[17:11:37] <adaptr> we're talking about the idiots[17:11:53] <adaptr> like our friend here[17:12:13] <PatrickDK> idiots, people that refuse to learn[17:12:39] <adaptr> so what are idiots that refuse to learn ? amoeba ?[17:14:27] *** jonez has quit IRC[17:15:53] <tuxick> managers[17:16:04] <adaptr> good point[17:21:11] <tuxick> bleh, i want to go test this assp on live server[17:22:20] <tuxick> gets about 1 connection second, and don't want to lose mail :)[17:23:13] *** himik has joined #postfix[17:23:41] <tuxick> maybe better do it at night[17:23:54] <_abc_> there is a hilarious instance of idiot@it making suing noises on acme.org (homepage of thttpd). A must read thread.[17:30:16] *** jonez has joined #postfix[17:39:26] *** zz_cornfeed is now known as cornfeed[18:16:42] *** Verilium_ has quit IRC[18:43:01] *** Sheogorath has joined #postfix[18:43:04] <Sheogorath> hi[18:43:10] <Sheogorath> i need to specify groups for postfix process in main.cf[18:43:12] <Sheogorath> how can i do it?[18:43:30] <Sheogorath> there is mail_owner = postfix stuff[18:43:35] <Sheogorath> but i need to add groups too[18:43:41] <Sheogorath> in particular, group sock_mysql[18:43:47] <Sheogorath> so it could access mysql[18:46:16] <PatrickDK> heh, you don't :)[18:46:22] <PatrickDK> you failed to understand how unix groups work[18:46:52] <PatrickDK> you add users to a group, you can't add a program to multible groups[18:47:22] <Sheogorath> :([18:47:25] <Sheogorath> any other solution?[18:47:33] <Sheogorath> mysql.sock is restricted to sock_mysql group members[18:47:55] <PatrickDK> heh?[18:48:04] <PatrickDK> I told you the answer, and you reject it?[18:49:09] <Sheogorath> i added postfix to sock_mysql group, but permission is still denied[18:49:18] <Sheogorath> thats why i'm here[18:49:25] <PatrickDK> did you restart postfix?[18:49:27] <Sheogorath> yes[18:49:41] <tuxick> i wonder if that's enough[18:49:44] <PatrickDK> then you have one of two issues[18:49:56] <PatrickDK> either the program attempting to access it, isn't running as postfix user[18:50:06] <PatrickDK> or something else is blocking it[18:51:45] *** Allex944 has joined #postfix[18:53:37] <Sheogorath> ah, fixed it by setting postfix group gid to sock_mysql's gid outside of chroot[19:05:45] *** Allex944 has left #postfix[19:09:00] *** p3rror has quit IRC[19:24:45] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[19:33:42] *** failure has joined #postfix[20:07:57] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[20:10:00] *** Rez has joined #postfix[20:10:03] *** Rez is now known as LoRez[20:14:23] *** n0sq is now known as johnnynobody[20:14:40] *** johnnynobody has quit IRC[20:15:05] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[20:16:20] *** n0sq has quit IRC[20:16:40] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[20:18:21] *** n3dh3|p has joined #postfix[20:18:44] <n3dh3|p> can someone help me to visualize to setup an email server with public ip?[20:19:28] <n3dh3|p> like i have 5 ip's allocted to me.. one will be using as an email server.. does the isp i have need to map my email server to recieve mails?[20:21:28] *** snearch has joined #postfix[20:23:27] <PatrickDK> !supersimple[20:23:27] <knoba> PatrickDK: Error: "supersimple" is not a valid command.[20:23:29] <PatrickDK> heh[20:30:20] <rob0> The question indicates that you don't understand much about email service. Unfortunately I don't know of a good resource to fill you in on all the basics. If there is money or other important considerations behind this mail server, I'd suggest outsourcing it.[20:33:04] <PatrickDK> !superbasic[20:33:04] <knoba> PatrickDK: Error: "superbasic" is not a valid command.[20:33:08] <PatrickDK> damn it :)[20:33:18] <PatrickDK> !super_basic[20:33:18] <knoba> PatrickDK: "super_basic" : Setting up an 'Email Server' has many moving parts. If you don't understand what you are doing, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail#Operation_overview[20:34:01] *** n0sq has quit IRC[20:34:03] * PatrickDK should teach knoba to make a guess what I mean :)[20:35:29] *** _abc_ has left #postfix[20:37:59] <n3dh3|p> the problem is im in-charge to this thing.. and they wanted me setup without any costs of a hardware[20:38:54] *** Verilium has joined #postfix[20:40:08] <PatrickDK> n3dh3|p, why do we care?[20:40:15] <PatrickDK> if you have a problem with postfix we can help[20:40:25] <PatrickDK> if you need to know how email works, well, go find a book[20:43:17] <rob0> Google apps will host email for free.[20:43:33] <n3dh3|p> PatrickDK: i already read like 3 books they have a sample configuration thru local and they dns mx by local what i dont understand how does it work in a real world like deploying it live.. does the isp need to map my email server?[20:43:55] <rob0> We don't know what "map" means.[20:44:53] <PatrickDK> holy crap, that url tells you how it works, n3dh3|p[20:44:56] <PatrickDK> !super_basic[20:44:56] <knoba> PatrickDK: "super_basic" : Setting up an 'Email Server' has many moving parts. If you don't understand what you are doing, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail#Operation_overview[20:45:10] <PatrickDK> and there is a nice picture of it, at the very top too :)[20:45:46] <n3dh3|p> mapped,.. point my domain w/ my ip pub address.. common guys sorry but english is not my native langguage.[20:45:47] <PatrickDK> well, top of operation overview, where the meat of it starts[20:46:09] <PatrickDK> n3dh3|p, maybe you missed it, cause there is NOTHING to map?[20:46:35] <PatrickDK> this isn't the 1980's where we all pass around a single hosts file[20:46:55] <PatrickDK> and smtp != uucp[20:48:28] <rob0> The part you seem to be asking about is DNS. The link explains it.[20:49:50] <n3dh3|p> rob0: exactly im confused with these dns thing..[20:50:15] <PatrickDK> the whole internet depends heavily on dns[20:50:18] <PatrickDK> worth knowing about[20:50:28] <rob0> Who hosts your DNS?[20:52:13] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[20:53:23] <n3dh3|p> rob0: my isp???[20:56:36] <lunaphyte> you don't know?[20:56:59] <PatrickDK> well, my domain is .local so[20:57:24] <lunaphyte> oh, cool, so then dns isn't involved.[20:57:52] <rob0> Your DNS hoster should publish a MX which points to the server. Good luck.[20:58:24] <lunaphyte> or, since it sounds like pedantry may be of value here - points to the hostname of the server[21:00:33] *** snearch has quit IRC[21:01:58] <n3dh3|p> rob0: : oh i get it... the one who provide this n3dh3|p.com domain..[21:03:33] *** elex1111111 has quit IRC[21:05:24] *** elex1111111 has joined #postfix[21:11:47] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[21:19:49] *** phenom has quit IRC[21:23:23] *** phenom has joined #postfix[21:42:30] *** n3dh3|p has quit IRC[21:44:24] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[21:49:03] *** wdp has quit IRC[21:57:00] *** Telgalizer has joined #postfix[22:11:26] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[22:23:57] *** micols has quit IRC[22:25:05] *** milligan has quit IRC[22:41:01] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[22:43:12] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[22:54:32] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:04:08] <adaptr> pedantry is always of value, though often unappreciated[23:04:55] *** himik has quit IRC[23:08:01] *** s0ber has quit IRC[23:09:32] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[23:21:10] *** milligan has joined #postfix[23:22:18] *** micols has joined #postfix