June 2, 2012 
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June 2, 2012 [00:07:31] *** robinho86 has left #postfix[00:08:13] *** jkfod has quit IRC[00:23:12] *** elex111111 has joined #postfix[00:34:22] *** Guest__ has joined #postfix[00:34:46] *** Guest__ has left #postfix[00:40:10] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[00:41:52] *** elex111111 has quit IRC[00:43:11] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[00:44:17] *** higuita has quit IRC[00:44:27] *** higuita has joined #postfix[01:01:35] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[01:02:52] *** e-anima has quit IRC[01:24:21] *** LoRez has quit IRC[01:25:57] *** freezey has quit IRC[02:13:29] *** corretico has quit IRC[02:27:23] *** Corey has quit IRC[02:36:02] *** Corey has joined #postfix[02:47:48] *** janos_ has quit IRC[02:51:11] *** pj has quit IRC[02:52:49] *** janos_ has joined #postfix[02:53:25] *** pj has joined #postfix[03:03:49] *** weedar has quit IRC[03:04:35] *** weedar has joined #postfix[03:08:56] *** mfridh has quit IRC[03:10:28] *** mfridh has joined #postfix[03:13:06] *** jwing has quit IRC[03:39:09] *** Tykling has quit IRC[03:39:10] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[03:42:47] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:44:49] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[03:55:12] *** Zzzssss has joined #postfix[03:55:21] <Zzzssss> HI Channel.[03:55:41] *** higuita has quit IRC[03:55:52] <Zzzssss> i am applying security on mail server.. which ports should i open from Insdie to outside world ?[04:00:25] *** Zzzssss has left #postfix[04:05:27] *** Telgalizer has quit IRC[04:21:14] *** Blue-Dragon has joined #postfix[04:26:58] <joulez> open all ports.[04:27:13] <joulez> (it reveals that you are no threat)[04:28:41] <joulez> oh sorry its a "sign of respect"[04:28:48] <joulez> to the warrior caste.[04:31:47] *** soooga_ has joined #postfix[04:36:33] *** trentg has quit IRC[04:36:52] *** trentg has joined #postfix[04:37:57] *** tona has joined #postfix[04:38:21] <tona> hello guys[04:38:36] <Blue-Dragon> Hi everyone. I was trying to send an email when I noticed that my smtp server isn't responding anymore. I havent changed anything (really, I did not even login into my server, neither did someone else). Thunderbird says timeout and when I connect via telnet the connection doesn't get refused, but it also doesn't reply to anything. Nothing to see in my logs, tried to restart both and checked the mysql connection.[04:38:54] <Blue-Dragon> I'm using postfix + dovecot, this is my postconf -n: http://pastebin.com/EWbLiwfX[04:43:38] <tona> i have a question i am gettin relay access denied i can send email in my lan but ouside i can not send emails i am using sasl like authentication my config is here http://pastebin.com/Pf65Fypc, can somoen help me or guide me which could the right way[04:53:34] <tona> can someone help me[04:55:04] *** Deathvalley122 has quit IRC[05:03:19] *** Deathvalley122 has joined #postfix[05:03:41] <tona> how can i send emails outside from my lan[05:03:50] <tona> i have configfure sasl and postfix[05:06:59] *** chthonic_ has quit IRC[05:08:34] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:09:06] *** joulez has left #postfix[05:09:33] <pj> Blue-Dragon: ISP blocking port 25?[05:09:53] <pj> !tell Blue-Dragon no_logs[05:09:55] <knoba> Blue-Dragon: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[05:11:33] *** MAAAAAD has quit IRC[05:15:11] *** chthonic has joined #postfix[05:16:11] <lunaphyte> !tell tona welcome[05:16:12] <knoba> tona: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[05:16:29] <tona> i have added smtpd_recipient_restriccions= permit_sasl_authenticated bnut it dowsn work i cano not send email outside from my lan can someone help me[05:23:08] <tona> i have a question i am gettin relay access denied i can send email in my lan but ouside i can not send emails i am using sasl like authentication my config is here http://pastebin.com/Pf65Fypc, can somoen help me or guide me which could the right way[05:26:58] <lunaphyte> !tell tona welcome[05:26:58] <knoba> tona: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[05:29:19] <pj> !tell tona congrats[05:29:20] <knoba> tona: "congrats" : Congratulations! You have a postfix problem. There are lots of people in this channel who would love to help you but in order to provide you anything better than a guess please take the output of postconf -n and some !relevant_logs and !paste them into a pastebin. Once you have done this then someone will be available to help you shortly.[05:32:39] *** higuita has joined #postfix[05:36:12] <tona> here are my postconfg http://pastebin.com/Pf65Fypc,[05:36:30] <tona> my longs only showme relay access denied[05:36:58] <pj> tona: is that postconf -n?[05:36:59] *** Telgalizer has joined #postfix[05:37:06] <pj> !tell tona relevant_logs[05:37:06] <knoba> tona: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[05:37:15] *** soooga_ has quit IRC[05:37:15] <pj> please don't assume what is relevant.[05:39:00] *** Telgalizer has quit IRC[05:39:30] <tona> what logs do yuo need \var\log\mail ???[05:39:59] <pj> !tell tona logs[05:40:00] <knoba> tona: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. You can usually find them with ls /var/log/mail* otherwise something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /path/to/syslog_config_file should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung[05:43:48] <tona> these are my logs[05:43:50] <tona> http://pastebin.com/Mam8Kszq[05:46:36] <jimpop> tona: where is postconf -n ?[05:51:50] <jimpop> irc via carrier pigeon?[05:53:13] <tona> ok[05:53:15] <tona> let me paste[05:56:41] <pj> !tell tona relay_denied[05:56:41] <knoba> tona: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[05:57:39] <pj> tona: according to those logs no attempt is being made to use sasl auth[05:57:51] <pj> what is the IP address of your server?[05:58:33] <tona> www.conectividadinternacional.com[05:58:38] <tona> i am using sasl[06:00:05] <pj> your server is offering SASL AUTH on port 25, it's not listening on port 587.[06:00:28] *** Rez has joined #postfix[06:00:34] <pj> so you have two issues, you're not using the submission port, and your client is not trying to auth.[06:00:40] <pj> !tell tona submission[06:00:40] <knoba> tona: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[06:00:48] *** Rez is now known as LoRez[06:01:28] <pj> !tell tona sasl_test[06:01:28] <knoba> tona: "sasl_test" : http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_test[06:02:18] <tona> what do you mean[06:02:31] <tona> i should change port 25 for 587[06:04:01] <pj> it is recommended that you use 587 for submission, not 25[06:04:16] <pj> 25 is for MX relaying.[06:04:52] <tona> let me change[06:07:38] <tona> do you think what my problem is 587 port how can i sure it[06:07:44] <tona> or to test it[06:11:40] <pj> actually, no, I think your problem is that your email client is not configured correctly.[06:11:51] <pj> but I also think you should be using port 587 for submission.[06:12:12] <tona> i am using outlook[06:12:37] <pj> !outlook[06:12:37] <knoba> pj: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us[06:12:55] <pj> tona: ^^^^^^^^^[06:19:57] <tona> ii have the sam configuracon in my lan and my lan work[06:20:05] <tona> but outside my lan dont work[06:21:52] <tona> i dont think the porblem will be it[06:24:06] <tona> this is my http://pastebin.com/cTi7P5F7 postconf -n[06:25:57] <tona> can someone help me[06:28:00] *** nutron has quit IRC[06:29:08] <tona> can someone help me i am using sas and i can not send email remotely[06:29:22] <tona> i have configure smtp_recipient[06:29:32] <tona> with sasl_authenticted[06:44:07] <jimpop> tona: have you tested from the outside with thunderbird?[06:46:20] <tona> no yet[06:46:28] <tona> my users like outlook[06:46:48] <jimpop> no need to have all your users test it.[06:47:54] *** TOE-Kitsune has left #postfix[06:54:54] *** tona has quit IRC[07:21:16] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[07:28:34] *** pj has quit IRC[07:33:15] *** pj has joined #postfix[07:44:46] *** elex111111 has joined #postfix[07:55:40] *** kaos01_ has joined #postfix[08:03:14] *** rgererge has joined #postfix[08:03:28] *** rgererge has left #postfix[08:04:02] *** tompson has joined #postfix[08:04:04] *** elex111111 has quit IRC[08:13:08] *** trentg has quit IRC[08:16:21] *** trentg has joined #postfix[08:27:58] *** elex111111 has joined #postfix[08:29:20] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[09:16:14] *** jkfod has quit IRC[09:17:53] *** colun has joined #postfix[09:20:56] *** colun has left #postfix[09:21:37] *** colun has joined #postfix[09:26:36] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[09:27:58] <colun> Hello, I am looking for some information to set up a public domain ( at domain dot com) and a subdomain "private" ( at cst dot domain@com) with a restriction so he can send emails to addresses the public domain. This subdomain should also receive email addresses from the public domain. If possible all on the same installation of postfix. Thank you[09:43:46] *** scientes has quit IRC[10:00:29] <tompson> http://pastebin.com/8UUUmvkR[10:00:33] <tompson> ok ... I got this msg as a result of a test. can someone tell me if there is any? I'm new to postfix and everything.[10:00:53] <tompson> any erro*[10:03:39] <colun> tompson : Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list. So, you can unblock your ip by a webform (I search the url)[10:05:18] <colun> tompson : http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/howto-remove-delist-your-mail-server-ip-from-hotmail-live-com-and-msn-mail-server-blacklist/[10:05:24] <tompson> colun what would this lock[10:06:31] <colun> tompson: no, it's an error of window (irc and jabber) about dkim[10:07:05] <tompson> [colun]: 1[10:07:10] <tompson> no understand[10:07:13] <tompson> ;/[10:08:36] <colun> tompson : You don't have a MX record on your DNS[10:08:43] <colun> http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3a94.228.222.144[10:09:29] <colun> without MX record, you can't receive email[10:10:03] <colun> and your IP is blacklisted by ivmSIP24[10:11:25] <colun> to unblacklist is here : http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/lookup/[10:12:19] <colun> tompson: I can't help more, you have all information about your problem.[10:13:14] <tompson> [colun]: how can my ip is blacklisted if I just buy the datacenter?[10:13:50] <tompson> there was only one hundred system until yesterday[10:14:22] <tompson> ip as a blacklist may have entered the no spam[10:14:23] <tompson> o.o[10:16:06] <colun> tompson: your ip has been used by other in the past, you have to unblacklist it with the link dnsbl...[10:16:59] <tompson> plus I'm pretty sure I did this to check a couple of days ago and was normal[10:17:28] <colun> tompson: i can't help more, sorry[10:17:53] *** colun has quit IRC[10:21:24] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[10:23:23] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[10:25:13] *** mca has joined #postfix[10:25:57] *** mca has left #postfix[10:26:24] *** mcloy has joined #postfix[10:26:41] *** biggi_mat has joined #postfix[10:26:45] <mcloy> hi[10:26:57] <mcloy> how to know sendmail is working fine? how to send and email by sendmail or postfix? i have postfix and sendmail installed on my pc[10:32:48] *** hostdream has joined #postfix[10:33:24] * mcloy waits[10:34:11] <hostdream> hello, I've installed a new Centos with RT (Request Tracker) on it and when I try to send a mail from RT I get this error : fatal: apache(48): No recipient addresses found in message header . Anyone know how to fix that please ?[10:56:36] <tompson> well I set up postfix and did a test for gmail, it works only normal that the message arrives with a "root at mydomain dot com" ie root[10:56:43] <tompson> colun[10:56:55] <ikonia> if you have sendmail and postfix both installed you will have a problem, you can only have one[10:57:17] <tompson> where do I change to carlos at mydomain dot com[10:58:21] <tompson> ikonia[10:58:25] <tompson> i heve one[10:58:27] <tompson> only postfix[10:58:41] *** jennie has joined #postfix[10:58:43] <tompson> i need change ther root for carlos[10:59:05] *** jennie has quit IRC[10:59:16] <ikonia> sorry, I was talking to mcloy[10:59:25] <tompson> ho[10:59:27] <tompson> sorry[10:59:48] <ikonia> judging by the information mcloy is posting in #sendmail/##networking as well, it appears to be a sendmail issue, nothing to do with postfix[10:59:54] <ikonia> tompson: what's your problem ?[11:00:43] <tompson> [ikonia]: my emails are coming so[11:00:50] <tompson> root at mydomain dot com[11:00:52] <tompson> ;/[11:01:03] <tompson> i need carlos at mydomain dot com[11:01:59] <ikonia> tompson: that's done at your client[11:02:09] <ikonia> tompson: your client sets the from/reply address[11:03:25] <tompson> [ikonia]: I'm reading here and a tutorial and is saying to edit the lines of the aliases "root = root" to "root = carlos"[11:03:48] <ikonia> that's for incoming[11:03:53] <tompson> this is what I do[11:04:09] <ikonia> tompson: ooh, you mean incoming mail[11:04:46] <tompson> I did a test sending a message to gmail.com[11:04:53] <ikonia> that's outgoing email[11:05:07] <ikonia> is your problem with incoming mail, or outgoing mail ?[11:05:24] <tompson> is coming on the subject "root"[11:05:32] <ikonia> right, that's outgoing mail[11:05:43] <ikonia> so that is controlled by the client you are sending the mail with[11:05:50] <tompson> no no[11:05:53] *** prooz has joined #postfix[11:06:14] <tompson> My problem is with the output[11:06:18] <ikonia> yes,[11:06:22] <ikonia> that is out going mail[11:06:28] <ikonia> how are you sending the email ?[11:06:31] <mcloy> sendmail[25650]: q5292itf025650: to=ab159ab at hotmail dot com, ctladdr=ubuntu (1000/1000), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30116, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1][11:06:48] <mcloy> i dont have postfix now . but still geting error^[11:06:49] <ikonia> mcloy: that is a sendmail issue[11:06:51] <ikonia> nothing to do with postfix[11:06:54] <ikonia> please stop asking here[11:07:01] *** mcloy has left #postfix[11:08:13] <tompson> ikonia[11:09:31] <tompson> where I have to move the emails to arrive as carlos at site dot com[11:09:49] <ikonia> tompson: how are you sending the mail[11:09:51] <ikonia> tompson: what client[11:09:52] <tompson> [ikonia]: where should I set this up[11:09:58] <ikonia> tompson: how are you sending the mail[11:09:59] <ikonia> tompson: what client[11:10:19] <tompson> wait[11:10:38] <tompson> echo OI |mail -s oie jr.salvador.happy.news at gmail dot com[11:10:53] <ikonia> tompson: ok, are you doing that as "root" ?[11:11:13] <tompson> [ikonia]: yes[11:11:19] <ikonia> tompson: right, so that's why it's doing it[11:11:32] <ikonia> tompson: man mail and you'll see all the settings you can do to set the from/reply address[11:11:48] <ikonia> tompson: it is not a MTA / postfix problem[11:11:51] <ikonia> it is your client[11:11:56] <tompson> [ikonia]: then I should change my name root[11:13:02] <ikonia> man mail and see the options, you'll find you can set enviornment variables and command line flags to do what you want[11:16:20] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[11:17:24] *** mcloy has joined #postfix[11:18:08] <mcloy> if sendmail resides at /usr/sbin/sendmail where is postfix located. (iam changing to postfix as iam unable to configure sendmail) my application requires a mta path[11:19:48] <tompson> ikonia ok man understand[11:19:51] <ikonia> if your application requires an MTA patch you will need to compile postfix from scratch to apply that patch[11:19:52] <tompson> thank you very mach[11:19:54] <ikonia> tompson: great[11:19:56] <ikonia> tompson: no problem[11:20:12] <pj> mcloy: postfix has a sendmail binary that is usually installed at /usr/sbin/sendmail[11:20:19] <tompson> good day for all![11:20:22] <tompson> bya[11:20:27] *** tompson has quit IRC[11:20:53] <ikonia> some distros will link sendmail.postfix to sendmail[11:21:47] <pj> right[11:22:19] <pj> mcloy: if you had both sendmail and postfix installed at the same time and you just removed sendmail then you should re-install postfix to make sure that file is correct.[11:22:49] <ikonia> however reinstalling postfix won't be much use to you if your application requires an MTA patch[11:22:52] <ikonia> I doubt it very much that your application does require an MTA patch[11:23:09] <mcloy> :((((((((((((([11:23:21] <mcloy> oh no. i had configs of postfix. those are lost now[11:23:27] * mcloy wants to stick with postfix[11:24:02] <pj> ikonia: he said MTA "path"[11:24:11] <ikonia> oh[11:24:23] * mcloy is reinstalling postfix . home that will remove sendmail[11:24:24] <ikonia> my mistake[11:24:33] <ikonia> mcloy: installing postfix will not remove sendmail[11:24:48] <ikonia> you need to remove sendmail[11:24:58] <pj> ...and then re-install postfix[11:25:26] <pj> re-installing postfix should not overwrite your old postfix config, but if you're worried then it is perfectly reasonable to back up the /etc/postfix directory.[11:25:49] <mcloy> hm[11:26:13] <mcloy> i have already installed postfix. now ill just remove sendmail[11:26:37] <pj> mcloy: that's fine, but you do need to re-install postfix *after* removing sendmail.[11:26:48] <mcloy> Package sendmail is not installed, so not removed[11:27:22] <mcloy> strange. i think posftix removed sendmail when postfix was installed.[11:27:55] <pj> I wouldn't know, that would be something that the packager for your distro would do.[11:28:16] <ikonia> postfix cannot/will not remove sendmail[11:28:26] <mcloy> Package sendmail is not installed, so not removed[11:28:38] <mcloy> ignore ^[11:28:40] <pj> ikonia: I wouldn't put anything past distro packagers.[11:28:46] <mcloy> postfix/master[26856]: daemon started -- version 2.8.5, configuration /etc/postfix[11:28:59] <ikonia> pj: mcloy is using ubuntu and I know the sendmail package reasonably well[11:29:04] <pj> ok[11:29:33] <mcloy> so what would be the exact path for postfix ?[11:29:34] <pj> anyways, I'm off to play poker for a while[11:30:05] <ikonia> I'll back out of this as I believe it's an attempt to write a pakistani spam server from previous posts[11:30:16] <ikonia> I believe the application is a spam generator application[11:37:12] *** elex111112 has joined #postfix[11:39:34] *** elex111111 has quit IRC[11:40:23] <mcloy> applicaton working with post fix. thanks pj :)[11:42:28] <mcloy> ikonia, keep your view with your self. this is called illmanered behaviour. if your parents tought you atleast. if you dont want to discuss. stop typing.[11:43:15] <mcloy> and dont you talk about my country[11:44:06] <ikonia> apologies, I'm just stating I believe this is a pakistani based spam server, so withdrew help[11:45:13] <mcloy> if y ou doubt someone with not evidenctial proof, (based on your depictions) annoucing in channel wouldnt be a good idea[11:46:49] <ikonia> I can air my opinion as I wish based on your previous comments/behaviour/requests that is what I believe, however as your application is now running and there is no problem, I see no reason to discuss this further[11:52:50] <mcloy> none. other than i called it illmanered[11:52:56] *** mcloy has left #postfix[11:53:43] *** ExElNeT has joined #postfix[11:53:48] <ikonia> [17:44] <mcloy> what php mailing method is better for heavy email mailing on a site ? sendmail or something else?[11:53:52] <ikonia> ooh, he's gone, sorry[11:55:19] <ExElNeT> heya. i configured my mailserver to transport all mail to another server. no i got the problem that the 2nd server is down and all mail will get answered as not delivery 5.4.6 loop back to myself. But i want it to queue those mails till the server is back online again.[11:55:25] <pj> heh, the answer is something else anyways, he should be using a php function that injects the emails directly via an SMTP connection, the sendmail binary is not good for mass mailing.[11:56:28] <pj> ExElNeT: the error you describe indicates a problem with your configuration...[11:56:34] <pj> !tell ExElNeT loopback[11:56:34] <knoba> ExElNeT: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[11:59:35] <ExElNeT> knoba: pj i have set relay_domains und relay_transport i dont want the server to deliver the mail locally[12:00:17] <pj> ExElNeT: well, please show relevant logs as per the channel topic.[12:02:38] *** Steve_The_Pirate has joined #postfix[12:07:31] <ExElNeT> pj: here it is: main.cf and log of sending a mail to the server http://pastebin.com/qFKMM754[12:09:19] <pj> brb[12:18:20] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[12:19:05] <pj> ok, please show postconf -n[12:25:10] <pj> ...and if you want my help in this then please don't mung your domain names, I will need to look them up.[12:25:16] <pj> !tell ExElNeT mung[12:25:16] <knoba> ExElNeT: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.[12:28:42] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[12:28:43] <ExElNeT> pj: knoba here you go: http://pastebin.com/3CMXfkX4[12:30:40] <ExElNeT> it works as expected if the relay server is available[12:31:35] <ExElNeT> hmm it seems i really got a dns problem... the relay maps on localhost[12:32:09] <pj> yeah, that's what I'm thinking but I haven't looked through it yet...[12:32:17] <pj> can I see your master.cf as well, please?[12:33:33] <pj> yes, your DNS is definately messed up[12:33:49] <pj> this is the relay:[12:34:00] <pj> server.milkyway.exelnet.de. 3600 IN CNAME exelnet-milkyway.no-ip.org.[12:34:12] <pj> exelnet-milkyway.no-ip.org. 60 IN A 0.0.0.0[12:34:19] <ExElNeT> http://pastebin.com/fukf9QL5[12:34:46] <ExElNeT> i see so noip sets it on 0.0.0.0 if the host is down... damn[12:34:53] <pj> postfix is trying to relay to the IP 0.0.0.0, what is strange is that is acting as some sort of loopback and just connecting you back to your own server, I think.[12:35:10] <pj> I think that's what's happening, anyways.[12:35:32] <ExElNeT> well even a ping ends up on the same system[12:35:34] <pj> is your relay on a dynamic IP?[12:35:37] <ExElNeT> yes[12:35:42] <pj> that's a very bad idea.[12:36:23] <ExElNeT> why? all mail is routed thorugh the static ip server[12:36:34] <pj> it will have crap IP reputation, and is very likely to be on a number of blacklists, and you can't get it removed becuase the IP address changes.[12:36:44] <pj> the relay is for outbound email?[12:36:48] <ExElNeT> both[12:36:52] <pj> exactly[12:36:57] <pj> it's for outbound email[12:37:26] <ExElNeT> magellan is the gateway in both directions[12:37:45] <ExElNeT> so the dynamic ip should be masked[12:38:02] <pj> whathappens to outbound email after it hits the relay?[12:39:12] <ExElNeT> it gets delivered to the target servers[12:41:39] <pj> so say you have an outbound email destined for coolguy at yahoo dot com, it goes through your relay (with a dynamic IP) first, and then the relay sends it onto yahoo.com which sees the connection from a dynamic IP and at best it ticks up your spam score on the email, at worst it's rejected outright.[12:43:07] <ExElNeT> no its outbound dynamic ip => static ip => yahoo and inbound static ip => dynamic ip => delivery[12:44:11] <ExElNeT> yahoo only talks to the static ip server inbound and outbound[12:44:45] <pj> anyways, I have to go, and my DSL is playing up again.[12:45:15] <ExElNeT> ;/ thanks a lot[12:45:46] <ExElNeT> hmm http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1237338 seems like 0.0.0.0 points to the default route[12:52:08] *** ExElNeT has quit IRC[12:53:28] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[12:57:34] *** jkfod has quit IRC[13:07:04] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[13:10:59] *** shoonya has quit IRC[13:20:13] *** orzel has left #postfix[13:36:48] *** Blue-Dragon is now known as blue-dragon[13:45:36] *** colun has joined #postfix[13:49:21] *** ExElNeT has joined #postfix[14:09:47] *** squinteye has joined #postfix[14:10:11] *** colun has quit IRC[14:14:23] *** mi has joined #postfix[14:17:40] *** dreet_ has joined #postfix[14:21:09] *** dreet has quit IRC[14:40:35] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[14:49:27] <ExElNeT> ok the only solution if found was an iptables rule which rejects on loopback attempts[14:49:51] <ExElNeT> but now i wonder how i can tell postfix to retry forever?[14:51:39] *** |alpha_one_x86| has joined #postfix[14:52:29] *** alpha_one_x86 has joined #postfix[14:52:55] *** alpha_one_x86 has quit IRC[15:03:18] *** Russel-Athletic has joined #postfix[15:03:19] <Russel-Athletic> hiho[15:03:42] <Russel-Athletic> i want to setup a postfix such that it forwards every mail it gets (no matter where to) to a different host[15:05:16] *** ExElNeT has quit IRC[15:07:03] *** tompson has joined #postfix[15:10:19] *** biggimat has joined #postfix[15:13:40] *** biggi_mat has quit IRC[15:17:41] *** Russel-Athletic has quit IRC[15:30:51] *** rgererge has joined #postfix[15:34:44] *** tompson has quit IRC[15:34:51] *** jwing has joined #postfix[15:43:40] *** tools has joined #postfix[16:29:08] *** 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and so have opened ports 587 and 993[17:09:10] <drillbitz> Are others required?[17:09:10] <tharkun> !tell drillbitz welcome[17:09:11] <knoba> drillbitz: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[17:10:12] <tona> i am getting relay access denied, i am using sasl authentication and i enable smpt_recipient_=permit_sasl_authenticated but i am getting the same result relay acess denied[17:10:16] <tona> can someone help me[17:10:30] <tharkun> tona: Tranquilo, llevas con esa pregunta dos días[17:10:49] *** jnxa has left #postfix[17:11:43] <tharkun> tona: necesito que pongas en un paste los logs relevantes (Trata de hacer una prueba y pon los logs de esa prueba)[17:11:59] <tharkun> también necesito que pongas la salida de postconf -n en un paste[17:12:59] <rob0> 587 is submission, not SMTPS, but that is a good thing. SMTPS is nonstandard and deprecated.[17:13:28] <tharkun> rob0: but some stupid outlook clients will only work with SMTPS and ignore submission[17:13:52] <drillbitz> tharkun: We're using Thunderbird, so no worries there[17:14:57] <tharkun> drillbitz: check that you don't have connectivity isues with the rest of the world and that your dns for the wild internet is fine[17:16:32] <drillbitz> tharkun: Connectivity is fine and ports are opened (confirmed with nmap/shields up)[17:17:09] *** squinteye has quit IRC[17:17:09] <tharkun> drillbitz: telnet port 25 of your server from somewhere else of the internet to see if it is beeing blocked[17:17:49] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[17:17:52] <tona> tharkun can i enviarte esta finformacion mas tarde[17:18:46] <tharkun> tona: Cuando puedas, pero si es importante, sin esa no se como esta tu servidor[17:19:13] <drillbitz> Ah, okay, is port 25 required for transmission?[17:19:34] <drillbitz> It's closed at the moment[17:19:48] <tharkun> drillbitz: no, it is required to recieve,[17:19:54] <tharkun> dooh[17:19:59] <rob0> All mail exchange happens on port 25. If you want to receive Internet mail from the world, you must have a MTA accepting mail on port 25.[17:20:14] <drillbitz> Haha, excellent[17:20:15] <drillbitz> Thanks[17:20:41] <tharkun> rob0: thanks, ideas this morning are getting tangled ;P[17:23:21] *** scientes has joined #postfix[17:26:27] <drillbitz> I think I'm confused regarding the working of "secure" SMTP. What is port 25 used in this case?[17:26:53] <drillbitz> for*[17:27:04] *** jkfod has quit IRC[17:27:35] <tharkun> drillbitz: < rob0> All mail exchange happens on port 25. If you want to receive Internet mail from the world, you must have a MTA accepting mail on port 25.[17:28:02] <tharkun> users submission of mail is made on port 587 and retrieval using pop3 or imap[17:28:27] <tharkun> in a nutshell port 25 is used among servers and the other ports between servers and common users[17:29:21] *** scientes has quit IRC[17:29:48] <drillbitz> So inter-server traffic is insecure regardless?[17:30:24] <tharkun> Mostly.[17:31:54] <rob0> !tls[17:31:54] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[17:43:10] <drillbitz> Thanks guys, that makes sense[17:47:28] <lunaphyte> well, it also depends on what "secure" means to you[17:49:09] <rob0> Those complicated issues are discussed somewhat in the TLS_README, but it really requires a more in-depth understanding of TLS.[17:52:28] <lunaphyte> well, suffice it to say that the number of mail servers which can/will perform encryption is growing.[17:53:04] <lunaphyte> connections to/from those servers is encrypted, but whether or not that means "secure" is largely a matter of personal taste.[17:56:37] *** Newbie17 has joined #postfix[18:02:00] *** tona has quit IRC[18:02:04] <rob0> If "not sniffable by others than the postmasters of each MTA and any man-in-the-middle" means "secure" to you, yes.[18:02:18] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:04:07] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:06:33] *** tona has quit IRC[18:06:48] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:07:50] *** tona has quit IRC[18:08:37] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:09:32] *** tona has quit IRC[18:09:50] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:11:49] *** tona has quit IRC[18:12:03] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:13:34] *** tona has quit IRC[18:14:39] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:16:14] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[18:18:48] *** tona has quit IRC[18:19:24] *** tona has joined #postfix[18:24:28] *** scientes has joined #postfix[18:28:44] *** tona has quit IRC[18:31:34] *** k1ckn1ck has quit IRC[18:37:22] *** ichdasich has quit IRC[18:37:31] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[18:40:05] *** k1ckn1ck has joined #postfix[18:49:59] *** snearch has joined #postfix[18:54:19] *** scientes has quit IRC[19:03:56] *** tona has joined #postfix[19:05:14] <tona> this is my file http://pastebin.com/UMY1LriZ postconf -n but i can not send emails outside from myu lan[19:05:34] <tona> one guy was heklping me but suddenly shutdown interntet[19:07:28] <tona> i have configured sasl with postfix i have enabled smtpd_sasl_authenticated=yes but i dont know wht i am missing[19:09:22] *** freezey has joined #postfix[19:09:56] <tharkun> tona: please postconf -n on a pastebin you pasted something else[19:10:51] *** drillbitz has quit IRC[19:11:31] <tona> this is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/UMY1LriZ[19:13:34] *** srg has joined #postfix[19:13:40] <tharkun> tona: no se que estas haciendo pero a menos que tengas un archivo de configuración del tamaño de un elefante eso no es lo que postconf -n te debería de dar. Sin embargo lo que has pegado se asemeja mucho a lo que postconf -d te daría[19:14:37] <tharkun> postconf -n da las diferencias de la configuración con una configuración default. Lo cual ayuda mucho para ver cuales son tus problemas[19:14:48] <tona> ok[19:14:51] <tona> dejam mandarla[19:15:01] <srg> Hey. I have postfix working with my system users. I'd like to setup virtual users. I'm reading the VIRTUAL_README, and I'm confused about something. My domain is domain.tld. I am receiving email for system users there now. I want to add "virtual_mailbox_domains = domain.tld" BUT, it says never list virtual mailbox domains as mydestination, and mydestination is domain.tld currently. What's the best way to do this?[19:15:10] <srg> I don't want virtual domains, I have only one domain. I just want virtual users.[19:16:20] <tharkun> tona: Puedes conectarte desde tu servidor al puerto 25 de otro servidor?[19:17:01] <tona> si[19:17:45] <tharkun> Puedes conectarte al puerto 25 de tu servidor desde otro punto de internet?[19:19:33] <tona> esete es mi poistconf http://pastebin.com/xAkPF2qR[19:19:37] <tona> si[19:19:40] <tona> puedo conectarme[19:20:00] <tona> pero al hacer pruebad de una cuenta de mi dominio con otra fuera marca error en relay access denied[19:22:17] <tona> tharkun ya checaste el postfon que te mande[19:22:24] <tona> esete es mi poistconf http://pastebin.com/xAkPF2qR[19:22:41] <srg> hrm[19:30:19] <tharkun> tona: perdoname pero surgió un detalle en la oficina y no te puedo ayudar. Tal vez en un par de horas.[19:30:24] <tharkun> pero checha esto[19:30:44] <tona> que[19:30:46] <tona> que checo[19:31:15] <tharkun> !relay_denied[19:31:16] <knoba> tharkun: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[19:31:22] <tharkun> tona: ^^[19:31:27] <tona> si[19:31:38] <tharkun> !tell tona relay_denied[19:31:38] <knoba> tona: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains)[19:32:04] <tona> mas al rato te contacto tharkun gracias[19:32:23] <tharkun> np[19:38:53] <tona> can someone help me i have a bit porblem i can not fix it yet, i can not send email outside my office i am using sas but i dont knwo where is the problem[19:41:44] *** freezey has quit IRC[19:42:16] <tharkun> tona: la instrucción es "postconf -n" por favor intentalo otra vez[19:47:40] <tona> ya lo hice es la que te lo mande[19:52:10] <tharkun> tona: no se como lo estas haciendo, pero el paste es ilegible. Estas en Windows o solo en unix?[19:52:42] <tona> ambos[19:52:49] <tona> tienes un correo y te lo mando[19:52:54] <tona> desde linux[19:53:34] <tharkun> tona: no gracias, haz un paste en el que se pueda leer. Vuelve a leer el factoid de knoba[19:54:13] <tona> ok[19:54:16] <tona> deja hacerlo de nuevo[20:19:16] <tharkun> tona: Basicamente como dice knoba la ip del cliente no esta en el parametro mynetworks y el cliente no se Autentifico y el dominio al que se esta enviando no es reconocido por postfix como uno en el que pueda recibir.[20:19:53] <tharkun> Ahora sin un postconf -n en donde se vea clara tu configuración es imposible saber que está mal o fuera de parametros.[20:22:03] <tharkun> Sería interesante también saber el contenido de master.cf[20:38:54] *** fukushim_ has joined #postfix[20:40:03] *** fukushima has quit IRC[20:42:20] *** ichdasich has quit IRC[20:42:31] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[20:47:13] *** elex111112 has joined #postfix[20:48:44] *** gaba has joined #postfix[20:50:09] *** snearch has quit IRC[21:02:49] *** phenom is now known as stuxnet[21:02:49] *** Kurt_ has joined #postfix[21:03:38] *** ki7rw has joined #postfix[21:05:08] *** Plee has quit IRC[21:06:53] *** scientes has joined #postfix[21:11:41] *** stuxnet is now known as oidjfsoisdjfsd[21:11:41] *** oidjfsoisdjfsd is now known as oidjfsoisd[21:11:41] *** oidjfsoisd is now known as phenom[21:30:45] *** Newbie17 has quit IRC[21:31:26] *** freezey has joined #postfix[21:34:26] *** freezey has quit IRC[21:34:58] *** catphish has joined #postfix[21:35:26] <catphish> not technically postfix related, if i get a temporary delivery delivery error from an smtp server, should i try to resend the email on every subsequent occasion i happen to be connected to that same smtp server (sending new emails to it), or should i wait a while[21:36:51] <adaptr> you should just queue it; SMTP retries are advised no more than once every 5 minutes[21:37:11] <adaptr> postfix (and most other MTAs) use exponential backoff times to prevent clogging up the queue[21:37:27] <adaptr> but the RFC advises at least 300 seconds between retries[21:38:18] <catphish> i'm really trying to work out under what scenario i would ever send multiple messages down a single smtp connection[21:39:03] <catphish> or does that really only happen on very high load MTAs[21:39:03] <adaptr> ah, so your question had nothing to do what you said. excellent[21:39:14] <adaptr> whut ?[21:39:25] <adaptr> what idiocy is in your head ?[21:39:37] <adaptr> none of this is relevant or correct in the slightest[21:39:50] <adaptr> if you think that's how "stuff" works, forget it. it doesn't[21:40:01] <catphish> SMTP supports sending multiple messages through a single tcp connection[21:40:15] <catphish> however, in most cases messages are delivered immediately when they are received[21:40:26] <adaptr> if an MTA has multiple messages to the same destination in the queue, it may send them in one SMTP session[21:40:41] <adaptr> catphish: those two things are unrelated[21:40:57] <catphish> ok, so it would only happen if multiple messages to the dame destination are queued near simultaneously?[21:41:04] <catphish> or the queue is 'backed up'[21:41:05] <adaptr> no, not even then[21:41:30] <adaptr> !tell catphish overview[21:41:30] <knoba> catphish: "overview" : Postfix Architecture Overview : http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html[21:41:43] <adaptr> that explains in detail how postfix receives and sends mail[21:41:56] <adaptr> RFC5321 has all the other details[21:42:10] *** chadmaynard has quit IRC[21:42:20] <catphish> thanks, i'll check out how postfix handles it[21:42:30] *** tona has quit IRC[21:42:40] <adaptr> especially read the part about queue management[21:42:59] <catphish> my real question was whether if one delivery fails, and i make another connection to the same server within a few seconds, should i use that connection to retry the failed message[21:43:02] <catphish> i guess the answer is no[21:43:24] <adaptr> catphish: those things have NOTHING to do with eachother. 3x.[21:43:52] <catphish> i fail to see how they don't, but i will read how postfix handles queueing, thanks[21:44:17] <adaptr> unless you're using telnet, YOU don't make a connection to an MTA,. your software does. it should have documentation[21:45:14] <adaptr> well, I suspect you fail to see more than that, but please read the overview first[21:45:22] <catphish> i am rewriting a queueing MTA, while i don't make the connections personally, i am very much in charge of deciding what gets plucked from the queue when such a connection is opened[21:45:44] <adaptr> so.. you're writing a mail server[21:45:52] <adaptr> seriously, why[21:46:24] <catphish> this channel seems an unwise place to answer that :p[21:46:51] <adaptr> this channel regards the postfix MTA, one of the best and most secure mail servers in existence.[21:47:13] <catphish> now that i agree with very strongly[21:48:44] <catphish> but essentially because i offer a hosted mta with delivery monitoring and archiving and prefer to know how the software works internally rather than using a probably superior MTA with plugins[21:49:00] <adaptr> postfix is open source[21:49:09] <adaptr> nothing prevents you from knowing exactly how it works[21:50:47] <adaptr> what does "delivery monitoring" mean ?[21:51:07] <adaptr> do you watch for babies ?[21:51:15] <catphish> :)[21:52:25] <catphish> i mostly work on the ability to use a web interface to search for a historical message and see 1) its content and 2) its status, ie whether it is considered to have reached its recipient, and if not, why the destination rejected it[21:52:55] <catphish> it's a simple smtp delivery agent with a mysql log and a web UI[21:53:28] <adaptr> so you process bounces, is that what "delivery monitoring" is ?[21:53:28] <catphish> but i'm looking to improve the queueing (right now it has one connection per message and a 30 minute retry on temp failures)[21:54:00] <adaptr> ITYM "one message per connection". there is never more than one connection per message[21:54:22] <catphish> ugh, one message per connection[21:54:39] <catphish> what i meant was, one connection is opened for every message in the queue[21:54:52] <catphish> one connection per message as opposed to less[21:54:53] <adaptr> so, you wrote a nullmailer ?[21:54:57] <adaptr> with queueing ?[21:55:13] <adaptr> I am still unsure what it is yo uwant[21:56:07] *** chadmaynard has joined #postfix[21:56:08] <catphish> it logs what you called 'bounces' to a web interface, as well as catching return messages (spam complaints, out of office responses)[21:56:39] <catphish> what i wanted to know was under what circumstances i might want to send multiple emails in the same smtp tcp stream[21:57:06] <adaptr> what I called ? have you ever SEEN an RFC ?[21:57:18] <adaptr> (you haven't; all of this is strictly defined)[21:57:42] <adaptr> and the question makes no sense, whatever the context[21:58:11] <adaptr> if the recipient MTA supports ESMTP PIPELINING, you use it to deliver multiple messages for the same nexthop.[21:58:15] <adaptr> if not, you can't. simple.[21:58:32] <adaptr> with postfix, this is fully automatic (if configured)[21:58:44] <catphish> STD10?[21:59:23] <adaptr> ...wut[21:59:51] <catphish> the word bounce doesn't appear in RFC821[22:00:17] <catphish> but i really don't want to argue with you, i came in here with an offtopic question[22:00:25] <adaptr> no, you really don't[22:00:43] <adaptr> go read about command pipelining, it will tell you all you apparently want to know[22:03:48] *** jkfod has joined #postfix[22:04:00] <catphish> which RFC are you referring to?[22:06:06] <catphish> ah pipelining is an extension, thanks for the pointer[22:06:58] <adaptr> RFC2920, SMTP extension for command pipelining, or "command pipelining", for simpler people[22:07:14] <rob0> and 821 has been superceded, as has its replacement![22:07:17] <adaptr> stuff that you should already have mastered when you're writing SMTP[22:07:24] <adaptr> (seriously, don't)[22:07:29] <adaptr> it's been Done.[22:07:41] <catphish> yeah, i've been using 2821 for the most part[22:07:48] <adaptr> the RFC822 parts of an MTA alone will drive you insane[22:07:53] <adaptr> catphish: that's utter stupidity, then.[22:07:57] <adaptr> failded.[22:07:58] <catphish> which does actually refer to rejecting a message as bouncing it :)[22:08:01] <rob0> 2821 is superceded[22:08:26] <adaptr> if you cannot enumerate the reasons to write your own SMTP server, you have none.[22:08:41] <catphish> i tried reading 822, luckily i have no need to implement that, it hurts[22:08:52] <adaptr> no need ?[22:08:57] * adaptr chokes laughing[22:09:08] <adaptr> rob0: wanna play some pinochle ?[22:09:09] <rob0> Much as I hate to feed his ego, adaptr is quite right: you should know this stuff and be looking at the current standards, before trying to implement it.[22:09:36] <catphish> is there a reason i need to read emails to deliver them?[22:09:36] <adaptr> whatEVER makes you think you don't need to be able to fucking RECITE RFC822 before implementing SMTP[22:09:49] <rob0> adaptr: egosnack![22:09:50] <adaptr> yes[22:09:57] <adaptr> rob0: thanks, I needed that[22:09:59] <catphish> i mean, i'm sure there is, but i haven't run into it yet[22:10:14] *** Wozl has joined #postfix[22:10:14] <adaptr> every MTA must be able to parse the mail BODY.[22:10:21] <catphish> for what purpose?[22:10:26] <adaptr> ... I give up[22:10:28] <rob0> *5322[22:10:48] <adaptr> rob0: he was being all ancienty with his STD10. I played along[22:11:14] <catphish> i deliver mail based on envelope headers, it works[22:11:42] <adaptr> ..so you have a completely standard-ignorant SMTP server. great, more crap on the internet[22:11:58] <adaptr> "envelope headers" indeed[22:12:07] <catphish> and now i understand why there is crap on the internet :)[22:12:31] <adaptr> it's a GIGO world[22:12:35] <rob0> "envelope headers"?[22:12:52] <catphish> sorry, that phrase came out of my ass[22:13:08] <catphish> i meant the smtp commands as opposed to the message body[22:13:09] <adaptr> much like the rest of the preceding 20 minutes[22:13:28] <adaptr> catphish: you cannot implement SMTP without parsing the mail BODY. 2x.[22:13:32] <catphish> obviously a basic understanding of 822 is required to prepend headers[22:14:03] <adaptr> prepend and remove, and recoding non-compliant lines and mime partials[22:14:14] <adaptr> but we already knew you were in over your head[22:15:17] <catphish> is it specified that an SMTP server has to rewrite message body? i was under the impression that was discouraged, particularly where messages are signed[22:15:32] <catphish> apart from to append headers[22:16:31] <rob0> don't know, but you might want to look at the source of cleanup(8) and trivial-rewrite(8)[22:16:51] <catphish> however as my more basic question didn't get anywhere, i will go back to reading[22:17:59] <catphish> actually it was answered, pipelining is an extension :)[22:18:04] <catphish> thanks for that at least[22:18:46] <rob0> You can look at Postfix's implementation of smtp(8) connection caching, but I don't know any technical details about it.[22:20:01] <catphish> it's ok, it seems i need to find out if there is anything i need to do on message bodies[22:20:14] <catphish> if that's true, i have a bit of work to do[22:20:29] <adaptr> you stil lhaven't provided a single valid reason to write another SMTP server[22:20:38] <adaptr> but it's your waste of time, of course[22:22:27] <catphish> it's not a waste of time if it meets my needs, of course i prefer to interact as nicely as possible with other implementations, which is why i ask[22:23:36] <adaptr> since you can't expect to write a reliable one in less than a year, I'd say it is very expensive.[22:23:39] <catphish> i will look for answers in 5321, seems like a better ide[22:23:41] <catphish> *idea[22:24:00] <adaptr> if you could simply explain what it is you WANT, we could tell you how to do that[22:24:14] <adaptr> but by all means re-invent them wheels[22:25:46] <catphish> you're acting like i have a blank sheet of paper, what i actually have is a service i've been running for months and meets my needs nicely, i'm just making some performance improvements and want to make sure i'm playing as nicely as possible with remote servers[22:26:25] <catphish> so i will read 5321 again, and look for specifics with retry timings[22:26:28] <catphish> and pipelining[22:28:54] <catphish> "In general, the retry interval SHOULD be at least 30 minutes", ideal, though some incremental backoff would certainly be better[22:29:01] <adaptr> not at all, but since you seem to be oblivious of these SMTP basics, I expect you're going to have to start over[22:29:05] <catphish> thanks all, hostile but nice to talk to someone :)[22:29:26] <adaptr> hostile ? because you don't know your stuff ? funny.[22:29:28] *** Steve_The_Pirate has joined #postfix[22:30:11] <rob0> I wasn't hostile. I see how adaptr might seem hostile, but there too, he was just honest and direct.[22:30:25] <catphish> sorry rob0, you got lost there a little[22:30:37] <catphish> and i'm not complaining[22:31:00] <catphish> i suggested writing a poor quality MTA in a channel that advocates an extremely stable one[22:31:27] <adaptr> well, supports, really. I did the advocating.[22:31:43] <catphish> it's hard to ask a simple question about an underlying protocol without having to explain why you're asking :)[22:31:52] <catphish> i do much the same to people in other places[22:32:02] <adaptr> again, if you have a specific need, we may be able to help you. writing an MTA from scratch just because $some_unknown_niggly_thing is silly.[22:32:24] <adaptr> catphish: if abstract reasoning is what you wanted, ##networking would be the better place[22:32:29] <adaptr> but they will still ask you why[22:32:37] <adaptr> for very obvious reasons[22:32:47] <catphish> you can tell me whether postfix supports archiving messages, along with their delivery status, as they pass through[22:33:41] <catphish> ##networking is my usual hangout, but i tend to get better answers on specific protocols in product chans[22:34:44] <rob0> Thing is, I know how to run/manage Postfix, but I know little about the low-level details.[22:34:56] <catphish> fair enough[22:35:28] <adaptr> catphish: yes, postfix can trivially archive all mail. "delivery status" is not a message property, however.[22:35:52] <adaptr> nor should you assume all MTAs everywhere support DSNs - which you seem to[22:36:20] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[22:39:38] <catphish> i avoid a lot of DSNs because the next hop in most cases will reject messages that can't be delivered (because the next hop is the destination and if it accepts it, the message has reached the inbox)[22:40:01] <adaptr> ...again, wut[22:40:07] <catphish> obviously not always the case, but that's how must failed deliveries end (rather than with a bounce email)[22:40:12] <adaptr> what does any of that have to do with DSNs[22:40:38] <catphish> sorry, i'm confusing DSN with NDR[22:40:45] <adaptr> well, don't[22:40:50] <catphish> DSN is an extension?[22:41:11] <adaptr> !dsn[22:41:11] <knoba> adaptr: "dsn" : Delivery Status Notifications as described in RFC 3464, first implemented in Postfix 2.3 - See: http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html[22:41:39] <catphish> but i don't expect it, i get my information from the response to basic SMTP commands[22:41:46] <catphish> (primarily)[22:41:52] <adaptr> it is an ESMTP extension to the RCPT command[22:42:11] <adaptr> catphish: that will never give you reliable delivery information.[22:42:14] <catphish> ie RCPT TO: being rejected makes up the majority of my failures[22:42:26] <adaptr> as far as YOU know.[22:42:29] <adaptr> trust me, you don't know.[22:43:00] <adaptr> what if something down the line discards your email ? or the message has no proper return-path set for bounces to follow ?[22:43:04] <catphish> for failures after that, i rely on non delivery reports[22:43:28] <catphish> messages do have an appropriate return path because i set one[22:43:39] <catphish> obviously i rely on that being preserved and used[22:43:40] <adaptr> so what you're really saying is that you need nothing that isn't already part of any standard MTA[22:44:04] <adaptr> catphish: that's a vain wish. return-path may and will be altered[22:44:10] <adaptr> in fact, YOU are not even allowed to set it.[22:45:51] <catphish> actually postfix is unwilling to change return paths, though some MTAs do[22:45:58] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[22:46:12] <catphish> it provides a couple of useful functions, though i don't know about its impact on standards complience[22:46:13] <adaptr> bullshit[22:46:28] <adaptr> postfix is 100% standards-compliant. for about 50 standards[22:46:31] <adaptr> !verp[22:46:32] <knoba> adaptr: "verp" : http://www.postfix.org/VERP_README.html[22:46:32] *** Wozl has quit IRC[22:46:36] <adaptr> go read that[22:47:19] <catphish> did i say it wasn't?[22:47:36] <adaptr> yes, you just doubted it[22:48:07] <catphish> so postfix can rewrite envelope return paths?[22:48:35] <rob0> !rewriting[22:48:35] <knoba> rob0: "rewriting" : See http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html for a discussion of address rewriting features in Postfix.[22:49:35] <adaptr> catphish: postfix supports the SMTP VERP extension. if you don't know what that is, perhaps you should once again read the relevant standards documentation before haring off to write your own... meh, I'm tired.[22:49:44] <adaptr> rob0: untire me![22:51:16] <catphish> ah, SRS is the phrase i was looking for[22:51:23] * rob0 slips adaptr 200mg of caffeine[22:52:11] <adaptr> rob0: almost there[22:52:44] * rob0 slips adaptr yet another 200mg of caffeine[22:53:41] <adaptr> I meant I almost have caffeine, dummy[22:53:46] <adaptr> now you've made me knurd[23:03:24] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[23:13:33] * adaptr slurps[23:18:29] <gaba> Hey, I want to use a different transport for only one user in my postfix alias. Any idea on how to do that? I have been googling without success.[23:18:49] <adaptr> that's what transport(5) is for[23:18:59] <gaba> checking that[23:19:50] <gaba> mmm, the issue is i dont want to define a transport for every user[23:19:58] <gaba> just for one user and the rest use the default[23:20:13] <adaptr> ...that's what transport(5) is for.[23:20:20] <jimpop> tona: have you tested from the outside with thunderbird?[23:20:21] <adaptr> now actaully read the manual[23:20:30] <adaptr> jimpop: um ?[23:20:44] <jimpop> nm[23:21:28] <jimpop> tona was here last night complaining about not getting sasl working w/ outlook[23:21:35] <adaptr> heh[23:22:04] <jimpop> he/she was asked to test with tbird multiple times... but he/she never did and insisted on using only outlook[23:30:47] <pj> I don't think I specifically said tbird, but I gave him the outlook factoid.[23:31:52] *** Steve_The_Pirate has quit IRC[23:32:03] *** uqlev has quit IRC[23:37:58] *** jkfod has quit IRC