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[00:02:52] <Diranged> ok so i guess im wondering how i can allow mail relaying to any domain, if a user comes in with a certificate that is signed by the same root CA as our server cert
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[00:09:10] <Patrickdk> google it :)
[00:09:57] <Diranged> gee thanks for the help..
[00:10:51] <Patrickdk> well, I dunno what more you want
[00:10:59] <Patrickdk> your asking questions like you NEVER READ A MANUAL
[00:11:13] <Patrickdk> in that case the only answer you will get is read the damned manual
[00:12:21] <Diranged> Patrickdk: Thanks for being a dick about it.. really appreciate that. I am reading that manual, but there are literally hundreds of different possible configuration options depending on what I'm trying to do. I thought that you guys might be able to interpret my goals and help me with the answer a little bit faster than reading that huge ass doc. Apparently not, so thats fine.. I'll go read the doc and figure it out myself.
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[00:21:04] <mac-> hey
[00:21:57] <mac-> I wish to give my users my certificate to import into windows what will remove this silly warning from i.e. Outlook
[00:22:48] <mac-> then I should give them this cert which is set as smtpd_tls_cert_file ?
[00:23:16] <rob0> they need the CA cert that signed it
[00:23:23] <Patrickdk> normally
[00:23:29] <Patrickdk> if it's selfsigned, heh
[00:26:22] <mac-> well I gave them cert which is set as smtpd_tls_CAfile
[00:26:30] <mac-> but it didn't work
[00:26:53] <mac-> when send them cert from smtpd_tls_cert_file warning disappeard
[00:27:27] <rob0> did the CA sign the server cert?
[00:27:39] <mac-> no its self-signed
[00:28:00] <rob0> so, you found your answer, I guess
[00:28:06] <Patrickdk> if it's selfsigned how do you have a ca certificate?
[00:28:19] <Patrickdk> or well, something in smtpd_tls_cafile
[00:29:11] <mac-> hmm
[00:29:49] <mac-> is there any windows list of official CAs wher should I add my own CA ?
[00:30:26] <Patrickdk> selfsigned != ca
[00:30:45] <Patrickdk> if you have a ca, then yes
[00:32:36] <mac-> hm well finally I should import both certs - of my server, and of my CA ?
[00:33:08] <mac-> by 'my CA' I undestand this one which I've geberated by myself
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[01:03:39] <jiffe98> is it possible to deliver mail based on a field in the message header?
[01:05:21] <adaptr> define "deliver based on"
[01:06:01] <adaptr> postfix routes mail based on the recipient and/or sender address, primarily
[01:07:11] <jiffe98> our mail filter can send a copy of all mail to a specific email address, the message is intact except a couple headers it adds to indicate who the original recipient was, I want to deliver to the local mailbox for that original recipient
[01:07:50] <adaptr> wrong way around
[01:08:07] <adaptr> first split off a copy based on the original recipient, then deliver to the filter
[01:08:17] <adaptr> !recipient_bcc_maps
[01:08:17] <knoba> adaptr: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[01:08:45] <jiffe98> this is for incoming mail
[01:08:47] <jiffe98> it hits the filter first
[01:08:49] <adaptr> (no idea why you think yuo need a "custom mail filter" to do that)
[01:08:54] <adaptr> jiffe98: wanna bet ?
[01:09:06] <Patrickdk> I don't get why you want two copies
[01:09:19] <jiffe98> adaptr: the filter is not a box we control, this is before it ever hits our postfix machines
[01:09:21] <Patrickdk> I mean, what happens to the *non* copy?
[01:09:25] <jiffe98> we don't control I mean
[01:09:29] <adaptr> jiffe98: yuo shouold have mentioned this before
[01:09:43] <adaptr> anyway, sounds like milter time
[01:10:12] <jiffe98> ok
[01:10:22] <adaptr> !milter
[01:10:27] <adaptr> have a read through that
[01:10:48] <adaptr> people commonly use it for stuff like dkim signing, so you can do pretty much whatever
[01:11:06] <rob0> whatevs
[01:11:10] <adaptr> indeedy
[01:11:16] <adaptr> yo
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[02:47:48] <Tabmow> tmberg: amavis can do that if you are already using it
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[03:02:27] <krm-> in the case that virtual_alias_maps expands a NOTIFY=SUCCESS recipient to > 1 recipient, there's supposed to be an "alias expanded" DSN. I don't seem to get them, or have ever seen them....anyone else seen one?
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[03:08:37] <Diranged> I've got a DKIM filter setup and working when we send email from the localhost (whether we use 'mail'.. or we just telnet to the local SMTPD service). However, when we send email from a remote server, we get a brief DKIM header but its not actually signed. Looking at the docs it mentions 'They are typically used to filter unwanted mail, and to sign mail from authorized SMTP clients' … but its unclear whether this means th
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[03:13:17] <seekwill> What do you mean "brief DKIM header but its not actually signed"?
[03:17:41] <Diranged> "X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 ourmailer.com 371F16017E"
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[03:43:00] <Diranged> no ideas i guess..
[03:43:20] <Diranged> im wondering if theres something different about how the communication between the dkim-filter is handled with a remote client vs a local client..
[03:44:02] <jimpop> not really a #postfix issue... but which dkim filter are you using?
[03:48:10] <Diranged> dkim-filter
[03:48:14] <Diranged> (not opendkim)
[03:48:51] <jimpop> how do you have it implemented with postfix?
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[03:51:44] <jimpop> and does dkim-filter.conf:InternalHosts reference all the right things?
[03:52:31] <Diranged> hmm ill take a closer look at that
[03:56:32] <rosco_`> the maintenance is over without harm, thanks for your advice guys!
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[04:11:05] <Diranged> hmm i added 0.0.0.0/0 to the internal hosts file and it had no change in the dkim behavior..
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[04:14:30] <jimpop> i'm not sure if InternalHosts can be set to 0.0.0.0/0
[04:14:51] <jimpop> perhaps try asking in #dkim or on the dkim-milter mailinglist
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[04:29:35] <Diranged> yeah there is really no #dkim.. but yah, im struggling with the InternalHost section..
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[07:54:40] <alcy> folks, how does one get the sender address from the logs in case of 5XXs/RCPT TO errors ? should I track the queueid to get this ?
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[08:06:29] <jimpop> grep "dsn=5" /var/log/mail.log
[08:09:23] <alcy> what if they are disabled ?
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[08:15:15] <jimpop> huh?
[08:15:28] <jimpop> the logs shouldn't be disabled
[08:16:52] <alcy> no i got confused with the smtpd_discard_ehlo_keywords setting, sorry
[08:23:30] <alcy> jimpop: but grerping for dsn=5 only gives the recipient address
[08:26:48] <jimpop> alcy: ah, yes. missed that part of the requirement
[08:27:31] <jimpop> the only way I know of would be to grep for the dsn=5, then parse out the queueID and grep the queueID in the log
[08:28:33] <alcy> k, thx
[08:32:54] <samlt> hello, in the log I can see postfix master process reloading its configuration with no apparent reason:
[08:33:01] <samlt> postfix/master: reload -- version 2.8.7, configuration /etc/postfix
[08:33:06] <samlt> last reload are 16:09:41 16:09:42 16:10:00, it's local time it gives you an idea
[08:33:11] <samlt> Anything I should check?!
[08:33:40] <samlt> those last reload are from yesterday actually(already asked that question here)
[08:34:23] <samlt> but it can happen several time per minutes and some other time no reload for a while
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[08:48:00] <jimpop> samlt: postfix will do that automatically if some of the files in /etc/postfix change (i.e. map files, aliases, etc)
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[09:13:24] <samlt> jimpop, strange, none of the files has change for at least 5days
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[09:50:23] <d3c_> hm, I'm getting this error after installing postfix on Fedora and starting the postfix service: 'PID file /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid not readable (yet?) after start'. any ideas what might be wrong? I'm thinking permissions but I don't see why since this is a fresh install.
[09:51:20] <d3c_> I even tried "postfix set-permissions" but the error keeps occuring for every restart of postfix
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[09:54:38] <d3c_> master.pid is 600
[09:54:40] <d3c_> root:root
[09:56:40] <Fleg_> I'm using fetchmail and postfix to fetch messages and deliver them to mailboxes. Some messages are rejected because postfix is configured with message_reject_characters = \0. Is there any way to replace the NUL character before delivering so that the messages don't get lost?
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[12:37:29] <Cristian> I would like to add a mailbox but set forward option for it.
[12:41:01] <autoditac> hi, one thing i couldn't find out from the docs is: can i specify relay_recipient_maps without specifying relay_domains or by just setting a wildcard in relay_domains?
[12:44:09] <danblack> !tell Cristian postfixadmin
[12:44:10] <knoba> Cristian: "postfixadmin" : used for managing email accounts through a web interface (http://high5.net/postfixadmin/). Further, this channel is for issues regarding postfix. For postfixadmin support, please try the postfixadmin mailing list or the postfixadmin channel.
[12:45:04] <danblack> autoditac: probably not.
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[12:50:29] <Cristian> Found the solution. You had to login as the user...
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[13:51:22] <jarr0dsz> hi everyone
[13:51:43] <jarr0dsz> im trying to send out mail true postfix, its open on port 587 username and password for email account are supplied in apple mail client
[13:51:54] <jarr0dsz> but it does not connect how could i best debug why it doesent work?
[13:52:01] <jarr0dsz> nothing much special in the postfix log even
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[14:01:06] <jelly> jarr0dsz: you can use swaks to test whether the connection is established and username/password auth works
[14:01:27] <jarr0dsz> jelly: swaks? havent heard of that before
[14:01:44] <jarr0dsz> if i enter my hostname inside mxtoolbox.com it gives no errors, no open relay
[14:01:47] <jelly> it's... better than using telent
[14:01:54] <jelly> !swaks
[14:03:21] <jarr0dsz> jelly: okay thanks i look into that
[14:03:51] <jarr0dsz> beside using swaks wich i have to divein, is there a quick way to check why i cannot send mail? telnet session and auth with username password?
[14:04:01] <jarr0dsz> appe mail just gives general error wich is useless
[14:04:26] <jarr0dsz> if i can connect with telnet host 587 and it shows the postfix server then i guess at least the server is running fine and open on port 587 but it could be some auth error
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[14:06:17] <jarr0dsz> okay perl swaks and then inside the script to i added my info at hostname dot com
[14:06:29] <jarr0dsz> wich gives a *** IO::Socket::INET: connect: timeout
[14:07:26] <jelly> don't edit the swaks script. It has command line options
[14:08:15] <jelly> swaks --help ought to format and show a man page
[14:08:34] <jarr0dsz> okay great, swaks works sending testmail on the server but not from my local machine
[14:09:02] <jarr0dsz> so its some connection issue swaks says its timing out but strange thing i can do telnet hostname.com 587 and it shows postfix ;s
[14:09:06] <jarr0dsz> contradicting
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[14:10:24] <jarr0dsz> ah damn is see it already it tries port 25 wich is blocked ;p
[14:10:54] <lunaphyte_> configure your mail client to use the proper port 
[14:11:11] <lunaphyte_> apple mail will "helpfully" try a number of ports by default.
[14:11:16] <lunaphyte_> configure it to only use port 587
[14:11:43] <jarr0dsz> lunaphyte_: yes thx i have set it explicit to port 587 in appe mail client
[14:11:54] <lunaphyte_> good. does it now work?
[14:11:57] <jarr0dsz> using perl swaks --port 587 on localhost gives me no error and i recieve email in my inbox
[14:12:09] <jarr0dsz> but strange thing that is with no authorisation in form of info at domain dot com, and password
[14:12:40] <jarr0dsz> so if i connect with mail client i use non secure connection and info at domain dot com with password on port 587 to connect and there it gives me errors
[14:13:48] <lunaphyte_> please supply the data as directed by way of the channel /topic
[14:15:54] <jarr0dsz> logs show nothing of a failed connection i checked /var/log/maillog
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[14:16:09] <lunaphyte_> just pastebin the logs.
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[14:17:15] <speedieg> !debug
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[14:19:36] <jarr0dsz> okay walk through that thx
[14:21:06] <jarr0dsz> it seems to connect onnect from s53753c5f.adsl.wanadoo.nl[18.104.22.168]
[14:21:37] <jarr0dsz> if im using swaks how can it send mail without a username , password thats what i wonder
[14:21:50] <lunaphyte_> pastebin logs of the transaction
[14:22:07] <jarr0dsz> lunaphyte_: you mean the /var/log/syslog tail?
[14:22:25] <lunaphyte_> logs of the email transaction
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[14:23:06] <lunaphyte_> do you now know where postfix logs?
[14:23:56] <jarr0dsz> yes according to docs it should log to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages on centos
[14:24:03] <lunaphyte_> what does?
[14:24:05] <lunaphyte_> *docs
[14:25:42] <atossava> it should go to /var/log/maillog on centos
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[14:26:50] <jarr0dsz> yes i red it in blog post on setting up mailserver on centos
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[14:27:27] <lunaphyte_> you need to become more familiar with the basics of linux administration before trying to run a mail server.
[14:28:41] <lunaphyte_> being able to read the sotware's documentation, and understand how logging is done, and understanding your operating system's syslog system must be done first.
[14:28:54] <lunaphyte_> some "blog" is not documentation.
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[14:29:46] <jarr0dsz> lunaphyte_: i have red the docs on setting it up and followed a few howtos i coudent find the correct postfix log so searched for postfix centos so came up with that article on mailservers where this was listed
[14:30:10] <jarr0dsz> lunaphyte_: but you right i could still learn alot on linux administration
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[14:30:37] <lunaphyte_> the manner in which postfix logs is explicitely described in DEBUG_README
[14:32:17] <lunaphyte_> !syslog_facility
[14:32:18] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "syslog_facility" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The syslog facility of Postfix logging. Specify a facility as defined in syslog.conf(5). The default facility is "mail".
[14:32:39] <lunaphyte_> !syslog_name
[14:32:39] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "syslog_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The mail system name that is prepended to the process name in syslog records, so that "smtpd" becomes, for example, "postfix/smtpd".
[14:33:40] <jarr0dsz> hm really in the blue why it won't work, i use dovecot for delivery with a passwd file containing the usernames and passwords
[14:34:10] <jarr0dsz> it just connects times out or says username , password in correct for outgoing mailserver and even if settings checked, correct entered again its still doesent send mail :(
[14:34:45] <jarr0dsz> while swaks just sends out mail without any password or username ( I did set my ip to be whitelisted )
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[14:39:02] <alcy> folks, any docs describing the meaning of NOQUEUE ? is it only for users without proper auth ?
[14:40:48] <schlitzer|freihe> hey all
[14:41:21] <schlitzer|freihe> is there a way to cleanup the mailqueue from mails that are send to a specific domain?
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[14:49:25] <jarr0dsz> debugged a bit following the docs
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[14:49:42] <jarr0dsz> it seems that i can send only to my own hostname not outside then i get relay denied error
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[14:55:38] <Motafoca> guys, for my email server thats only webmail, i can leave only smtp port open?
[14:55:54] <Motafoca> so i can receive the emails...
[14:55:58] <Motafoca> correct?
[15:01:47] <samlt> Motafoca, +webmail [and e.g. ssh]
[15:02:02] <samlt> Motafoca, but yes
[15:02:06] <Motafoca> nice
[15:02:06] <Motafoca> thanks
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[15:18:32] <Motafoca> were can i get the log of emailing?
[15:18:33] <d3c> what's the probably most lightweight pop3 client that I can use for testing postfix on my dev box?
[15:18:44] <Motafoca> d3c: telnet? :)
[15:18:48] <Motafoca> very light
[15:18:49] <Motafoca> :)
[15:19:14] <Motafoca> my postfix aint creating a log inside /var/log, its uses some other location?
[15:19:22] <d3c> Motafoca: I'd like to be able to connect from a regular mail client, e.g. Safari on OSX
[15:19:38] <d3c> Motafoca: so I'm gonna need a pop3 server, sorry
[15:20:23] <Motafoca> safari is mail client?
[15:20:29] <Motafoca> i tought it was web client
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[15:20:44] <Motafoca> but you can use this simple example
[15:20:49] <Motafoca> if you want to just test
[15:21:06] <lunaphyte_> pop3 should not be used. use imap
[15:21:16] <lunaphyte_> and safari is a web browser, not an email client.
[15:21:35] <lunaphyte_> telnet and/or s_client can be used to test any of smtp, submission, pop3, imap, etc.
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[15:22:46] <leto> Hi, I've a "Recipient address rejected: Domain not found" error with postfix. I'd like to bypass recipient verification for this particular domain (that I trust), is it possible?
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[15:23:17] <lunaphyte_> why is it failing?
[15:23:22] <lunaphyte_> just fix that.
[15:24:02] <Motafoca> funny, my dns is publicated, i can email the domain emails, but outside not
[15:24:11] <Motafoca> were can i check the sendmail stuff?
[15:25:04] <leto> lunaphyte_: the recipient address is prefix.mydomain.net. It probaly fail because it's an alias/virtual address. That's why I'd like to bypass recipient verification (by a whitelist or similar) in postfix
[15:25:27] <lunaphyte_> provide the data is instructed by way of the channel /topic
[15:25:32] <lunaphyte_> *as instructed
[15:28:21] <Motafoca> how do i debug my send mail, since i dont get any emails delivered?
[15:28:55] <d3c> lunaphyte_: doh, meant "Mail", sorry. isn't pop3 a lot more simple for just testing emails sent by an app via postfix?
[15:29:07] <lunaphyte_> not really
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[15:31:19] <d3c> lunaphyte_: ok. anyway, what's a dead simple imap server that I can use with postfix then? I've setup postfix to deliver *all* email to my local 'dev' users account. I just want to access this account via e.g. Apple's Mail or whatever regular users use.
[15:31:37] <d3c> user's account*
[15:34:59] <d3c> lunaphyte_: courier?
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[15:43:18] <mikunos> hi guys how have I to get by bash shell who is the sender of the emails?
[15:44:02] <wdp> sender as in From: or sender as in client?
[15:44:30] <mikunos> in From wdp
[15:44:37] <wdp> grep "From:" mailfile
[15:44:39] <wdp> :>
[15:44:57] <mikunos> :D
[15:45:09] <mikunos> I am executing this command: postconf -n
[15:45:13] <mikunos> sorry
[15:45:23] <mikunos> I am executing this command: watch -n1 tail -30 /var/log/mail.log
[15:45:25] <Dominian> !goal
[15:45:26] <knoba> Dominian: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is
[15:45:47] <wdp> lost in translation
[15:46:15] <Dominian> first you mention postconf -n then you mention tailing the mail log.
[15:46:18] * Dominian is totally confused
[15:46:26] <mikunos> My goal is check who is the user who send the email at this moment
[15:46:37] <mikunos> sorry for my english
[15:47:12] <mikunos> maybe I am under backscatter attack
[15:47:40] <leto> lunaphyte_: any idea?
[15:48:50] <mikunos> wdp any hint?
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[15:51:09] <_ruben> you could add a header check with /^from:/ WARN
[15:52:40] <mikunos> hi _ruben are u talking with me?
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[16:02:39] <leto> well no answers, so I helped myself: problem fixed by adding a dns entry for my subdomain, thus the recipient address is an existing host
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[16:04:11] <mikunos> how can I get the list of the email sent with the user/email used to sent those emails?
[16:04:24] <Dominian> mikunos: logs
[16:11:36] <mikunos> Dominian in the logs there is no sender but just the recipient
[16:12:02] <Dominian> There should be a log of from and to in the logs for each email passed through the system
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[16:17:15] <mikunos> look this Feb 22 16:15:51 mailserver postfix/smtp: E3812A20C0: to=<scinfo at public2 dot sta.net.cn>, relay=none, delay=246379, delays=246337/0.02/42/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to public2.sta.net.cn[22.214.171.124]:25: Connection timed out)
[16:17:37] <mikunos> who is the sender?
[16:18:13] <mikunos> Dominian ^^
[16:23:43] <rob0> delays=246337/0.02/42/0 <-- has been in the queue a long time, 246379 seconds. Look at when it ENTERED the queue, all those seconds ago. See also mailq
[16:24:55] <Dominian> mikunos: what rob0 said
[16:25:05] <Dominian> That log entry there is from the queue trying to 'redeliver' the email and failing
[16:25:10] <Dominian> You need to find when it actually came into the queue
[16:25:29] <Dominian> look for : E3812A20C0
[16:25:40] <Dominian> that's the queue id that was assigned to athat message.. maybe you'll get lucky
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[16:26:07] <rob0> it also looks like:
[16:26:14] <rob0> !port_25_block
[16:26:14] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)
[16:26:29] <rob0> or maybe a compromised system
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[17:14:30] <d3c> what's a really simple pop3 server that allows me to read mails from a system user? I tried ipop3d but it doesn't seem to work on my Fedora dev box. any other solutions? I just need something very basic, as it's just for viewing the emails sent by my web app in a regular mail client.
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[17:18:22] <alcy> dovecot is pretty straightforward
[17:18:33] <alcy> to setup n use
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[17:21:31] <twobitsprite> I'm getting a message in my logs that says "server configuration error" but doesn't give any details about what errors are in the configuration
[17:21:34] <twobitsprite> Feb 22 10:12:32 mxrelay1 postfix/smtpd: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from e36.co.us.ibm.com[126.96.36.199]: 451 Server configuration error; from=<> to=<**** at **** dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<e36.co.us.ibm.com>
[17:21:44] <twobitsprite> (censored the to=)
[17:21:57] <rob0> POP3 should have died out 10 years ago. IMAP has replaced it. But perhaps you need neither? You can directly read a maildir or mbox file with any pager.
[17:22:08] <twobitsprite> is this saying there's a configuration error on the remote server, or on mine? if mine, how do I figure out where the error is?
[17:22:37] <rob0> twobitsprite, is not looking at mail.* logs
[17:23:05] <rob0> some stupid OS think it's a good idea to split up logging in silly ways
[17:23:13] * rob0 disagrees
[17:23:51] <rob0> there was a higher priority error just before that one.
[17:25:26] <twobitsprite> I don't see any other mail logs, all I have at /var/log/maillog[.x]
[17:25:36] <twobitsprite> and there aren't any other errors higher up in the log
[17:25:50] <twobitsprite> wait...
[17:26:13] <twobitsprite> *bonk* nevermind
[17:26:26] <twobitsprite> forgot I had done a grep ... maillog | less
[17:26:33] <twobitsprite> sorry
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[17:35:14] <khem_> !debug
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[17:55:14] <khem_> hrm
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[18:00:35] <Diranged> lets say I have a production mail-sending-farm that sends a few hundred thousand messages a day. everything is DKIM'd properly, and SPFd. the addresses come from @domain.com. Our inbound mial for @domain.com though is passed through either google, or through another mail service. Do I need to allow any inbound mail to these 'mail senders', or will bouncebacks always go through our normal MX records?
[18:02:56] <rob0> hmm? Bounces go to the MX (or A if no MX) of the sender domain.
[18:02:59] <rob0> !example
[18:03:00] <knoba> rob0: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.
[18:03:30] <kreign> rob0, domain.com is such a common example use, they should've used domain.com for the RFC. :)
[18:03:50] <rob0> that's why Dotster paid so much to own it
[18:04:02] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can't get enough of people
[18:04:11] <kreign> rob0, domain.com or example.tld?
[18:04:16] <patdk-wk> guy had bad helo name, we had them fix it
[18:04:25] <patdk-wk> they fixed it, but now it has a extra space on the end
[18:04:58] <kreign> rob0, wasn't it a verisign tld at one point?
[18:05:36] <rob0> com is verisign, isn't it?
[18:05:44] <patdk-wk> .com and .net
[18:05:57] <patdk-wk> but domain.com is owned via godaddy I believe
[18:06:05] <patdk-wk> I think dotster is a godaddy thing
[18:06:09] <rob0> no, Dotster is a registrar
[18:06:18] <patdk-wk> oh, a different one?
[18:06:22] <Diranged> ok.. so all bounces will go through our normal MX inbound config, which is good.
[18:06:34] <kreign> godaddy is supposedly shelling out like verisign has due to bad rep
[18:06:47] <Diranged> ok second question then.. is there any benefit to my postfix sender boxes identifying their real public hostnames, or is it reasonable for them to lie and just say that they're "mailer.ourdomain.blah"
[18:07:38] <patdk-wk> I won't accept mail from you, if they don't use real working names
[18:07:43] <kreign> Diranged, I don't see why to not use the real hostnames.
[18:08:02] <kreign> Diranged, if you're only accepting from an MX it's not much consequence...
[18:08:04] <rob0> you definitely must use FCrDNS
[18:08:16] <Diranged> thats what i figured.. and im fine with it...
[18:08:30] <kreign> I need to get SPL working for my stuff.
[18:08:32] <rob0> helo/PTR/A all in agreement
[18:08:39] <kreign> you guys notice much spam drop with it implemented vs. it not?
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[18:09:18] <patdk-wk> what is spl?
[18:09:42] <rob0> Diranged might also want to hire a deliverability consultant if problems continue beyond that.
[18:10:02] <rob0> because there is nothing more you can do in Postfix
[18:10:24] <Diranged> heh ok last question about DNS … what if we use CNAMEs instead of A records for our actual mailer servers.. so i have "foo.domain.tld" CNAME for "foo-1235123123.amazon.com". but in amazon, we have them set the reverse PTR record be "foo.domain.tld"?
[18:10:36] <Diranged> or do i need to just go ahead and do an A record for foo.domain.tld that points to our eip..
[18:10:49] <Diranged> (btw, we're not having deliverability problems yet.. trying to head them off by cleaning up alot of things)
[18:10:50] <rob0> definitely not use CNAMEs in mail
[18:10:55] <Diranged> yeah thats what i figured
[18:10:56] <patdk-wk> I don't think cnames are valid
[18:11:00] <patdk-wk> read the rfc's :)
[18:13:02] <twobitsprite> I believe the RFC specifically forbids CNAMES in MX records
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[18:14:54] <kreign> yeah
[18:14:59] <kreign> it will work, I think.
[18:15:01] <kreign> but it's not valid.
[18:15:25] <kreign> (variable definition of "work")
[18:15:33] <twobitsprite> I would't bet on all relays resolving them correctly
[18:15:38] <kreign> good interview question for "mail experts"
[18:15:51] <twobitsprite> I know Domino doesn't like them... ran in to that problem before
[18:16:50] <twobitsprite> ahh, found it: rfc2181 section 10.3 :)
[18:16:54] <patdk-wk> I don't use cnames, so I don't think they are valid :)
[18:17:00] <patdk-wk> been to many years since I looked at the rfc for that
[18:17:09] <kreign> twobitsprite, sweet
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[18:17:34] <twobitsprite> This domain name must have as its value one or more address records. Currently those will be A records, however in the future other record types giving addressing information may be acceptable. It can also have other RRs, but never a CNAME RR.
[18:17:59] <kreign> twobitsprite, i had a guy a while back who could tell me which sections of which RFC certain 'best practices' originate from, but he didn't know anything about actual management/configuration/etc. of general stuff. really odd.
[18:18:12] <twobitsprite> strange
[18:18:15] <adaptr> kreign: anybody can read.
[18:18:17] <twobitsprite> admin savant?
[18:18:27] <twobitsprite> adaptr: there is that too
[18:18:41] <adaptr> that implies he was good at it. no experience means he's a walking disaster
[18:18:52] <kreign> adaptr, untrue. there are quite a few people who are apparently unable to do read or comprehend basic English. like my boss.
[18:19:00] <twobitsprite> lol
[18:19:05] <adaptr> does HE know how to troubleshoot postfix ?
[18:19:08] <kreign> heh
[18:19:12] <adaptr> there you are, then
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[18:19:25] <adaptr> step 1: learn to read
[18:19:27] <kreign> no, that would go something like, "Is it bigger than a breadbox?"
[18:19:28] <adaptr> step 2: ....
[18:19:32] <adaptr> step 3: prostfix!
[18:19:36] <kreign> lol
[18:19:50] <kreign> adaptr, yeah, boss jumps straight to "prostfix!"
[18:20:08] <kreign> what's funny is he's a huge microsoft junkie and loves the cloud.
[18:20:13] <kreign> but dishes on postfix.
[18:20:26] <kreign> he's pushing all his customers to o365 and the like.
[18:20:58] <kreign> largely because 'their email service is superior'
[18:21:13] <twobitsprite> ugh...
[18:21:20] <kreign> ... because they run postfix, I suppose?
[18:21:30] <twobitsprite> do they?
[18:21:51] <kreign> bigfish = postfix
[18:21:58] <tuxick> i saw zimbra comes with postfix, but i wonder about its performance, anyone run into it?
[18:21:59] <kreign> at least that's what the service ID says.
[18:22:15] <tuxick> i mean the java/zimbra bit, i know postfix works ok :)
[18:22:36] <twobitsprite> weird...
[18:22:46] <kreign> tuxick, I um don't know about the java, but the mail storage/IMAP is dovecot, which works quite well. perf is going to be hardware constricted, not software.
[18:22:55] <kreign> more than likely. ;)
[18:23:36] <rob0> bigfish is Microsoft, no?
[18:23:41] <tuxick> dovecot? you sure? i thought it used its own storage
[18:25:07] <twobitsprite> 220 TX2EHSMHS004.bigfish.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:24:13 +0000
[18:25:10] <twobitsprite> dat uptime
[18:25:13] <kreign> rob0, no, it is. :)
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[18:25:36] <twobitsprite> or is that just the current time... probably is, nevermind :P
[18:25:39] <rob0> maybe they have something different for outgoing
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[18:26:09] <kreign> rob0, you can change the server banner in postfix, yes? :)
[18:26:21] <kreign> it's not claiming to be anything, just that it's run by microsoft.
[18:26:33] <twobitsprite> true
[18:26:45] <kreign> but yeah, it'll identify on outgoing as postfix
[18:26:48] <kreign> it's not a consistent service.
[18:27:06] <kreign> it works, but to no props go to microsoft...
[18:27:14] <rob0> what IP address was that twobitsprite?
[18:27:49] <twobitsprite> I just did a "nc mail.global.bigfish.com 25"
[18:28:54] <twobitsprite> only 2 servers in that A record
[18:29:01] <rob0> That is definitely not Postfix.
[18:29:11] <adaptr> "IPs". there may be dozens of servers
[18:29:23] <twobitsprite> adaptr: he asked which IP :P
[18:29:26] <rob0> I hit 188.8.131.52 from here.
[18:29:31] <patdk-wk> heh, that is exchange :)
[18:30:10] <adaptr> Exchange exposing itself sounds just as good as "middle-aged pervert"
[18:30:13] <kreign> meanwhile, in Redmond (or somewhere in India), "Metesh, the people in #postfix, they are attacking!"
[18:30:40] <rob0> You can change the banner all you want (not sure why anyone would want to pretend to be MSexchange ...), but you can't change the smtpd behavior without rewriting the source.
[18:30:44] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't even let my iis servers touch the internet
[18:30:52] <patdk-wk> reverse proxy them via apache or something else
[18:31:00] <patdk-wk> hopefully with mod_security working on it :)
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[20:00:42] <romel_> hi guys. is there any way to disable non-deliverable messages in postfix? the problem is that postfix works as a relay for some host which doesn't listen on 25 port at all
[20:01:00] <Dominian> Then don't relay for domains that won't accpet your email
[20:01:14] <romel_> so the queue of non-deliverable reports grows fast
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[20:08:56] <rob0> I don't understand the problem.
[20:11:13] <thumbs> I don't understand rob0
[20:12:17] <rob0> that is a problem!
[20:12:55] <rob0> In Soviet Russia, problem understand YOU
[20:16:47] <patdk-wk> heh, I found email server software that fails pregreet :)
[20:16:54] <patdk-wk> anyone like to use winmail?
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[21:12:36] <Dmole> noob question: is there a way to add postfix 2.9 to yum priorities?
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[21:12:59] <rob0> that would probably be a yum question
[21:13:19] <Dmole> it's more of a "where is the repo" question
[21:13:43] <rob0> and that would be one for #your-distro-here
[21:14:04] <Dmole> not so much
[21:14:26] <rob0> Okay.
[21:14:46] <Dmole> it's not "how to use apt or yum" it's is postfix maintaining a repo for any distro?
[21:14:57] <rob0> No.
[21:15:03] <Dmole> ah thanks
[21:15:27] <Dmole> rpm it is then :(
[21:15:59] <rob0> Simon Mudd maintains SRPMs for Postfix.
[21:16:12] <Dmole> thanks
[21:16:28] <Dmole> 2nd question: is there a page for postfix EOL (end of life)?
[21:16:37] <rob0> yes, the download page
[21:17:53] <Dmole> yes I see it, I guess there was no "End of life" on the page so google missed it
[21:18:12] <Dmole> thanks again
[21:18:41] <rob0> 2.5 was just EOL, 2.6 will be in about a year.
[21:19:44] <rob0> He's going for yearly releases, early in Q1, followed by EOL of the then-oldest supported release.
[21:20:23] <Dmole> I'm still using 2.3.3 on CentOS release 5.7 ~
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[21:30:38] <rob0> good old Simon, getting 2.9.1 out quickly
[21:30:58] <rob0> that was just today
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[21:46:33] <Corey> Indeed.
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[22:01:32] <ThunderTree> !welcome
[22:01:32] <knoba> ThunderTree: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[22:01:40] <ThunderTree> .
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[22:43:01] <zamba> hi there.. i'm currently running postfix and most of my users are virtual and handled using postfixadmin.. i now want to set up mailman to use for any number of domains.. how can i best integrate this into my existing setup?
[22:47:33] <tmberg> Tabmow: ?
[22:50:34] <Dominian> !mailman
[22:50:39] <Dominian> haha go figure
[22:50:55] <Dominian> zamba: there's documentation on mailman's site.. at least I'm pretty sure ther eis about using it with postfix
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[23:28:03] <Tabmow> tmberg: yes?
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