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[01:43:56] <m1chael> postconf -a | grep dovecot # what does this actually indicate? i thought dovecot was independent from postfix
[01:44:34] <lunaphyte> what is postconf -a?
[01:46:12] <m1chael> http://dpaste.com/702201/
[01:46:52] <lunaphyte> yes
[01:47:01] <lunaphyte> what's the question then?
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[02:01:00] <kyconquers> is there a way to a:tell how many parts the domain can be split into, b: say all domain parts except one? ie mail.example.com a=3 b=mail.example
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[02:39:21] <lunaphyte> kyconquers: i don't understand what you're asking
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[03:13:24] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, i know that you can take just the domain part of an address $domain, is there a way to break the domain up into parts ie: mail.example.com is broken into mail , example , and com.
[03:13:42] <lunaphyte> for what purpose?
[03:18:54] <kyconquers> my domain look up doesn't include the .com or .net and mailbox is determinded that way
[03:19:31] <kyconquers> ie: john at mail dot example.com is delivered to example/mail/john/*
[03:20:42] <lunaphyte> why are you omitting the tld?
[03:21:01] <kyconquers> tld?
[03:21:12] <lunaphyte> yes
[03:21:16] <pyther> top level domain
[03:21:29] <lunaphyte> pyther: please do not spoon feed people here
[03:21:48] <pyther> oh sorry
[03:21:58] <lunaphyte> it's ok.
[03:22:34] <kyconquers> my boss told me not to worry about that, so that we can deliver mail to example.*
[03:22:40] <lunaphyte> we just encourage people to use existing resources to answer common questions, rather than relying on those here donating their time for free to regurgitate info that's already widely available.
[03:23:03] <lunaphyte> kyconquers: that's fine, but i would not omit it.
[03:23:30] <lunaphyte> if nothing else, just make a symlink from example.com to example.net [or vice versa]
[03:24:35] <kyconquers> they way our web server is set up when someone wants to register their domain they only have to input the main part of the domain "example" and that is all that is stored in our database
[03:24:55] <lunaphyte> actually, tbh honest, "not worrying" about the tld is not wise, period.
[03:25:08] <lunaphyte> how will you know if an address is valid?
[03:25:17] <kyconquers> so if i do a ldap lookup of "example.com" it returns false
[03:25:27] <lunaphyte> don't omit parts of an email address.
[03:25:33] <kyconquers> i do ldap lookups for first the domain then the user.
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[03:26:03] <lunaphyte> if you omit part of the domain, how will you be able to do an accurate lookup?
[03:26:12] <ztag100> hello, I want to settup an email server
[03:26:21] <ztag100> how should I do this?
[03:26:30] <lunaphyte> ztag100: for what purpose?
[03:26:52] <kyconquers> by having a query filter of "domain=$domain-.com"
[03:27:14] <ztag100> lunaphyte: so I can email people from example at realsciencescoop dot com (my domain)
[03:27:21] <ztag100> and, so they can email me back
[03:27:36] <kyconquers> it is store in our database as domain=example or domain=mail.example
[03:27:37] <lunaphyte> so really, you just want an email provider?
[03:27:59] <ztag100> lunaphyte: I can't run it from my webserver?
[03:28:10] <ztag100> or, is that not smart?
[03:28:24] <lunaphyte> is your goal to be an email admin, or do you just want email?
[03:28:36] <ztag100> I just want email
[03:29:01] <lunaphyte> so you just want to find an email provider then. you don't want to try to set up and run your own email server.
[03:29:11] <lunaphyte> !tell ztag100 gapps
[03:29:12] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[03:29:14] <lunaphyte> meh
[03:29:20] <ztag100> I saw google has a plan that provides 10 emails
[03:29:29] <lunaphyte> yes, google apps would be fine
[03:29:30] <ztag100> should I just go with that?
[03:29:33] <lunaphyte> yes
[03:29:34] <ztag100> ah
[03:29:36] <ztag100> thanks!
[03:29:41] <lunaphyte> sure, you're welcome.
[03:30:00] <ztag100> Weren't you the same person who helped me 5 minutes ago?
[03:30:24] <lunaphyte> yes
[03:30:38] <ztag100> Lol, thanks again
[03:30:42] <lunaphyte> np
[03:30:50] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, i also need to split the domain for delivery so that i can have john at mail dot example.com's mail go to example/mail/john that way we can keep both statistics and separation
[03:31:14] <lunaphyte> what map type are you using to perform these lookups?
[03:31:28] <kyconquers> ldap lookups
[03:31:44] <kyconquers> what me to paste them?
[03:31:50] <lunaphyte> oh, right. you said that.
[03:31:52] <lunaphyte> sure
[03:39:11] <kyconquers> http://pastebin.com/dzVgMsVy
[03:41:05] <lunaphyte> that doesn't look like anything postfix to me.
[03:41:37] <kyconquers> oh sorry boss has me doing both postfix and exim versions
[03:43:52] <kyconquers> http://pastebin.com/Qfnh8jT2
[03:44:27] <kyconquers> this work only as long as there is only two domain parts example.com not mail.example.com
[03:45:44] <kyconquers> do you want the user version too, or how i use this in main.cf?
[03:45:47] <lunaphyte> it don't have time atm to consider this in detail, but it's my sense that things have been over engineered here
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[03:47:59] <kyconquers> I don't know what you mean, but at this point i need everything but the tld and a a later point i need it in a different order and separate so i can do example/mail/john/ as his mailbox.
[03:49:59] <lunaphyte> for example, you want to accept mail for both example.com and example.net while not worrying about the tld, right?
[03:50:43] <kyconquers> yes because i only have the example part in my directory
[03:51:30] <kyconquers> i can have my boss add that if i can do the mailbox part.
[03:52:19] <kyconquers> mailbox = example/mail/john/ for john at mail dot example.com
[03:54:09] <kyconquers> i have to keep the sub domains separate while be able to get a one domain mail too ie sales.eample.com and @my_domain.com
[03:54:24] <lunaphyte> so then what happens when someone else owns example.org?
[03:54:34] <lunaphyte> how will you know to not accept mail for that domain?
[03:55:32] <kyconquers> It's my bosses problem/ if we don't own it the MX records should point to a server other then ours.
[03:56:14] <lunaphyte> the solution is to hope that someone else has their ducks in a row? that's incredibly foolish.
[03:56:42] <lunaphyte> surely your boss will want to know that there is a deficiency in their directive
[03:57:36] <jimpop> ha!
[03:57:41] <jimpop> lunaphyte: you dream
[03:57:47] <lunaphyte> why?
[03:58:03] <kyconquers> if i can split the domain for the mailboxes i could talk him into doing a domain check that includes the tld but my problem is how would i deliver it to example/mail/john/
[03:58:14] <jimpop> "surely your boss will want to know that there is a $* in their directive"
[03:58:16] <lunaphyte> i would be incredibly angry if someone who worked for me didn't expose issues like this.
[03:58:33] <jimpop> me too. but most bosses could care less
[03:58:37] <jimpop> (imho)
[03:58:48] <lunaphyte> oh, well i'm not here to accommodate that.
[03:58:49] <kyconquers> he knows it we talked about it i've been over ruled.
[03:59:09] <lunaphyte> yikes. what a horrible environment
[03:59:21] <jimpop> agreed
[04:00:07] <lunaphyte> it's really silly too, since it is trivial to list domain for which you are the owner.
[04:00:19] <lunaphyte> kyconquers: are you using virtual[8]?
[04:00:43] <kyconquers> the only way he said i can convince him of doing it another way is if i can find anouther way to deliver it to the right mailbox and i help change the web UI
[04:01:27] <lunaphyte> it's unfortunate, and not something we would address here, but it sounds to me like your boss has some painful lessons to learn.
[04:01:50] <lunaphyte> anyway, it's good to know the backstory, because it allows us to better help, but it's not really topical.
[04:01:59] <kyconquers> relay_recipient_maps
[04:02:47] <lunaphyte> ah, so this is an email firewall or similar?
[04:03:01] <kyconquers> so how would i be able to get the "example" and "mail" part of the domain. I know that i can do this with %[1-9] but i don't know how many there are.
[04:03:12] <kyconquers> MTA
[04:03:46] <kyconquers> if this gets hacked we don't allow it to touch anything else.
[04:04:49] <lunaphyte> and how are you handling relay_domains?
[04:05:01] <kyconquers> that's the firewall guy's job. but how do i know if there is a %3 like in mail.example.com or only 2 as in example.com
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[04:06:26] <kyconquers> thats the file i showed you it is a ldap look up for a registeredaddress attribute equal to our domain that works fine for now.
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[04:07:51] <kyconquers> but for a MUA delivering a email to /main_domain/sub_domain (if any)/user is where my problem lies.
[04:09:29] <lunaphyte> oh, so you do list your full domains in relay_domains then?
[04:12:06] <kyconquers> sort of. right now yes but i was going to try and change it. so i can at least learn how to split the domains for my mua that i have to make by Wednesday. I don't have my mua working (or even have a server for it yet) but i want to figure out how to do this last part so tomarrow i can copy paste edit and have it done.
[04:13:28] <kyconquers> sorry i'm behind on a few other things so i'm freaking out a bit.
[04:14:02] <lunaphyte> well if you have a proper list of valid domains in relay_domains then you are ok to not check that for relay_recipient_maps. that would be an acceptable method.
[04:15:33] <lunaphyte> you've read man 5 ldap_table and are familiar with %1-%9?
[04:16:00] <kyconquers> one relay_recipient_maps checks if there is a ldap user with a mail attribute = %u, two my MTA works fine for now
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[04:16:35] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, yes but i don't know if %3 exists
[04:16:41] <kyconquers> or %4, ect
[04:17:19] <kyconquers> how do i know how many of those %[1-9] the domain can be split into
[04:17:38] <kyconquers> ps this is more for my MDA then my MTA
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[04:33:04] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, i'm going to try and rephrase my question: In a MDA, i have two emails one to john at mail dot example.com one to john at mydomain dot com. the fist needs to be delivered to example/mail/john/ but the latter to mydomain/john/ If i use %2/%3/%u this will work for the first but fail for the second. If I use %2/%u it will work for both but not use the feature of separating sub-domains ie: mail.example.com and sales.ex
[04:33:04] <kyconquers> ample.com Which is a fixed requirement and fails.
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[04:35:19] <pyther> kyconquers: I'm much a noob at this, and I might be off base and only have been partially following, but... would it possible to use something like example.com/user and then use a script and create symlinks to example/mail/john and mydomain/john, etc...
[04:35:51] <pyther> so basically you would have a sane mail structor, and then you could use a script and proper symlinks to create what your boss wants
[04:40:33] <pyther> kyconquers: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/550084/
[04:51:11] <kyconquers> pyther, yes but that would either mean that i have to do a syslink each domain. ie mail.example.com, sales,example.com, mydomain.com to /example/mail/john/ /example/sales/john/ and mydomain/john/ This would work but i was hopeing that i could have postfix do it for me.( I don't know how many domains we have or are going to have.
[04:51:48] <kyconquers> brb switching to laptop
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[04:54:37] <kyconquers> i'm back.
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[04:58:55] <pyther> kyconquers: that is why you would have a script that would automatically create / update the symlinks
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[04:59:53] <pyther> To me that seems like the easier solution, any scripting language is going to be extremely powerful and allow you to munipulate paths however you need
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[05:03:15] <kyconquers> pyther, i wish there was a way to do it automatically, i know that using %[1-9] but if there is no other way then that will have to work, thank you.
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[05:13:34] <sgronblo> Is there some place where I can find information on what formats are supported for the mailbox/forward-path/address argument to RCPT TO: ?
[05:14:25] <sgronblo> Specifically the case where it contains the name of the recipient
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[05:21:16] <pj> kyconquers: there may be a way to do what you want if you use a different delivery agent, say dovecot for example (I don't know if dovecot can specifically do what you want). You don't have to use the postfix virtual delivery agent, you can use any 3rd party one.
[05:24:22] <pj> alternatively if you're using an sql db then you can do some fancy processing of the %d argument to turn it into the path you want.
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[12:17:44] <Fleg_> How can I forward all emails going to certain mailbox with replacing the "From" header?
[12:19:59] <Zerberus> Fleck: see header_checks
[12:20:21] <Fleck> ok :)
[12:20:48] <Zerberus> Fleck: and forwarding works as it has always worked
[12:21:15] <Fleck> :D
[12:21:19] <Fleck> it does? :)
[12:26:05] <Fleck> Fleg_ that was 4 u! :)
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[12:58:15] <Fleg_> Fleck: thx.
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[13:06:21] <cristian> Hi guys, I am having some issues with sasl auth mechanisms. This is killing me... here is the config file: http://fpaste.org/FHK7/ and here are the logs: http://fpaste.org/aws3/
[13:06:36] <cristian> I have tried various options, no luck...
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[13:10:55] <Patrickdk> clearly you didn't configure sasl at all
[13:10:56] <Patrickdk> !sasl
[13:10:57] <knoba> Patrickdk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[13:11:48] <cristian> I will follow the steps again... :(
[13:11:51] <rob0> there are MANY other serious problems in that log excerpt
[13:12:04] <rob0> such as: logs from Sendmail
[13:12:12] <rob0> !loopback
[13:12:12] <knoba> rob0: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[13:12:18] <Patrickdk> there where too many log entries, for me to bother reading :)
[13:12:40] <rob0> looks like a TLS problem too.
[13:12:48] <rob0> !tutorial
[13:12:48] <knoba> rob0: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[13:13:35] <Patrickdk> yuk, putting btree scache in etc?
[13:13:40] <Patrickdk> and it looks chrooted
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[14:43:56] <Han> Hi, I'm running a smtp gateway at a hotel. Sometimes an infected visitor comes to the hotel and his PC does a spamrun and attempts to send as much spam as possible.
[14:44:52] <Han> Most of that spam is not detected by spamassassin since it's outgoing mail.
[14:45:20] <patdk-wk> han, think, that is easy to fix
[14:45:38] <Han> Ratelimitign is an idea but it's rather limited since it does allow outgoing mail.
[14:46:23] <patdk-wk> what do you want then?
[14:46:27] <patdk-wk> you only have two options
[14:46:27] <Han> What I would like to see is that postfix allows people who occasionally send mail but completely blocks people who hit the rate limit until I release them.
[14:46:31] <patdk-wk> ban the user, or allow the user
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[14:46:50] <patdk-wk> han, that is exactly what I do, and postfix does that just fine
[14:46:54] <lunaphyte_> how about don't run an smtp gateway?
[14:47:26] <Han> patdk-wk, interesting, how have you implemented that?
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[14:47:47] * patdk-wk is with lunaphyte, a hotel has no need to run a smtp gateway for it's guests
[14:48:33] <Han> I suppose you'd like to have a word with my management then. :-)
[14:48:49] <lunaphyte_> yeah, absolutely
[14:49:24] <Han> Excellent, give me your contact detail and I'll forward it to them.
[14:49:35] <wdp> :D
[14:50:10] * patdk-wk wonders
[14:50:17] <patdk-wk> exactly how will a guest use the smtp relay?
[14:50:30] <patdk-wk> they would have to go through the trouble of reconfiguring their email app to use it
[14:50:42] <Han> nat
[14:50:42] <patdk-wk> why wouldn't they just continue to use the one they already had it configured to use
[14:50:47] * wdp wonders if a solution using iptables and it's ratelimit + fail2ban would be possible for that.
[14:51:00] <patdk-wk> wdp, not really
[14:51:09] <patdk-wk> you could send many emails in one smtp session
[14:51:14] * sysmonk would just block port 25
[14:51:16] <wdp> ah right.
[14:51:19] <sysmonk> and tell them to use 587
[14:51:25] <lunaphyte_> so, what problem does forcing users to use your mail server solve?
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[14:51:45] <lunaphyte_> port 25 should simply be blocked, and port 587 should be allowed.
[14:51:48] <patdk-wk> it breaks sfp, dkim, ...
[14:55:17] <Han> patdk-wk| why wouldn't they just continue to use the one they already had it configured to use
[14:55:30] <Han> That would require them to use an open relay.
[14:55:36] <patdk-wk> since when?
[14:55:41] <patdk-wk> who the hell uses open relays?
[14:55:51] <lunaphyte_> what would an open relay have to do with any of this?
[14:56:04] <patdk-wk> your creating an openrelay, for the hotel
[14:57:10] <lunaphyte_> ironically, that's exactly what it is, since you it blindly accepts mail from perpetually unknown entities.
[14:57:14] <lunaphyte_> *since it
[14:57:33] <patdk-wk> !submission
[14:57:33] <knoba> patdk-wk: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
[14:57:46] <patdk-wk> that should have, and require also
[14:57:47] <patdk-wk> !sasl
[14:57:48] <knoba> patdk-wk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[14:57:53] <wdp> Han, seriously. i would just shut the smtp down for your hotel users. Most people have something called webmail anyway.
[14:57:56] <lunaphyte_> as wel as
[14:57:58] <lunaphyte_> !tls
[14:57:58] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.
[14:57:58] <patdk-wk> therefor, hotel doesn't need any emai lserver to relay
[14:59:28] <Han> wdp, please. That's not an option here. I have to follow orders from my management. And whatever you suggest is not going to happen.
[15:00:00] <wdp> Han, then please, give us the ip of your hotel, so we can start banning it.
[15:00:00] <lunaphyte_> that's the impetus behind my earlier question. what problem is it that running this mail server solves?
[15:00:08] <patdk-wk> han, we have given you many many things to tell management, why it won't work
[15:00:19] <patdk-wk> it will break peoples emails, it breaks sfp, it breaks dkim
[15:00:27] <Han> Whatever
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[15:00:30] <patdk-wk> it opens you up to these issues your attempting to solve
[15:00:33] <wdp> there he goes.
[15:00:55] <lunaphyte_> "I have to follow orders from my management"
[15:01:02] <lunaphyte_> bad sign, right off the bat.
[15:01:20] <patdk-wk> heh, half the time I think that is a lie
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[15:01:28] <patdk-wk> cause I want to, and don't feel like explaining it
[15:01:43] <lunaphyte_> what brain dead "management" would not want to avoid doing something retarded and unnecessary?
[15:01:58] <wdp> lunaphyte, many people use that, and I can understand it. Sometimes you have a boss who wants something and it's not possible to say "no, not possible" the boss orders it, and you have to do that. if you don't someone else does it. so you're playing with your job. Boss/Management might be retarted, hey thats life.
[15:02:17] <lunaphyte_> i don't accept that.
[15:02:19] <wdp> lunaphyte, and even if the guy risks losing his job and even if you tell him "such a job is not worth it" - reality looks different.
[15:02:26] <wdp> nice if you can choose a job. many can't.
[15:02:42] <lunaphyte_> all of that is indeed true, but there is a missing component in that argument.
[15:03:44] <lunaphyte_> if han had agreed with us, and appreciated the sanity being offered, and simply said, "yeah, i totally agree, this is stupid. i'm trying to get management to understand it…" then we would be having a different conversation. however, that's not what happened here.
[15:03:48] <wdp> in this specific example, it would be han's job to properly explain why this is a no-go. And i think the best reason would be (apart from that it's breaking things) to tell his management, that they're risking to get banned by various blacklists, thus lots of their mails might not be recieved anyway. taking that in mind, that smtp-gateway is a useless solution.
[15:03:54] <wdp> And there - I'd agree with you.
[15:04:26] <wdp> mhm yeah.
[15:06:34] <lunaphyte_> i think the best reason is because it's a non problem in the first place.
[15:07:34] <lunaphyte_> why go out of your way to be a middle man when not only do you have absolutely zero genuine gain, but worse, you're now making life more difficult for yourself?
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[15:09:08] <rob0> I'd talk to his manager if he'd like. For a fee, of course.
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[15:14:03] <jelly> lunaphyte_: for money.
[15:18:59] <rob0> What I don't get from the foregoing (wasn't watching it as it took place) is why they don't do content filtering on outbound. Nuts!
[15:19:46] <patdk-wk> no, they where using spamass atleast
[15:19:49] <wdp> rob0, he does and explained that spamassassin isn't doing a good job there.
[15:19:51] <patdk-wk> dunno about clamav or anything
[15:20:03] <wdp> s/he does/they do
[15:20:30] <rob0> URIBL checking should get most spambots.
[15:20:48] <patdk-wk> uribl, not for me, lately it hasn't
[15:20:54] <wdp> uribl?
[15:20:58] <wdp> url?
[15:21:01] <patdk-wk> url based blocklist
[15:21:04] <wdp> yeah, url?
[15:21:14] <patdk-wk> uri is more generic than url
[15:21:23] <wdp> i mean
[15:21:23] <patdk-wk> url == http, uri is universial
[15:21:30] <wdp> "could you give me a link"
[15:21:38] <wdp> and i tried to shorten that by saying "url?"
[15:21:40] <wdp> :p
[15:21:47] <patdk-wk> uribl.com
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[15:22:04] <wdp> ty
[15:22:49] <rob0> and surbl.com
[15:23:07] <wdp> ty
[15:23:17] <wdp> as we're talking about that
[15:23:32] <wdp> any new techniques/filters, like spamassassin, postscreen, clamav, dspam, amavis, around?
[15:23:46] <wdp> is there some website with news about new anti spam techniques?
[15:24:29] <patdk-wk> there is
[15:24:33] <patdk-wk> it's like 5years old :)
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[15:26:37] <tilt> good $timeofday() :)
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[15:29:57] <tilt> suppose domain example.com has MX mail.example.com. www.example.com has an MTA running and uses "www.example.com" has its mailname. now, www.example.com wants to send mail to addresses @example.com and (rightfully) contacts mail.example.com for non-local delivery.
[15:30:40] <tilt> but mail. tells www. "i wont take mails from you, you are a spammer, because you claim to be something under "example.com"
[15:31:35] <tilt> is that behavior of mail. correct or incorrect?
[15:31:48] <patdk-wk> only if you configure it that way, sure
[15:32:12] <tilt> no i mean in terms of standards
[15:32:27] <patdk-wk> they don't say/care
[15:32:45] <tilt> is it corrct or incorrect for the MX of example.com to reject non-local ibound that is from a subdomain of example.com (that has no explicit MX)
[15:32:51] <jelly> tilt: standards don't go in that deep, and for efficient antispam care you need to go above and beyond what standards say, sometimes break them
[15:33:15] <patdk-wk> !tell tilt goal
[15:33:16] <knoba> tilt: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is
[15:33:42] <tilt> my goal is to get the admin of mail. to change his configuration
[15:33:43] <jelly> tilt: if you want that mail delivered, then it's incorrect
[15:33:51] <patdk-wk> tilt, unlikely
[15:33:52] <tilt> now i need reasons
[15:34:08] <tilt> true
[15:34:12] <patdk-wk> reasons, that is a pretty stupid policy
[15:34:13] <tilt> damn
[15:34:22] <tilt> i forgot ;)
[15:34:25] <patdk-wk> second, he implemented a pretty stupid policy, and is unlikely to change it :)
[15:34:37] <patdk-wk> it does help cut down a lot of spam
[15:34:48] <tilt> hmm
[15:34:50] <patdk-wk> but he would have to whitelist ligit email that is outside of that server
[15:34:59] <tilt> well he could add an exception for www. / IP thereof
[15:35:08] <tilt> yeah
[15:35:21] <tilt> too complicated
[15:35:26] <tilt> I will change sender mailname
[15:35:30] <tilt> thx
[15:35:31] <jelly> tilt: are you using valid envelope-from addresses? Are you using any sender-limiting tools (eg. SPF) on the mail server?
[15:35:59] <patdk-wk> na, he is getting rejected on helo, most likely
[15:36:08] <patdk-wk> as it's claiming it's www.example.com
[15:36:08] <jelly> !logs
[15:36:08] <knoba> jelly: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /path/to/syslog_config_file should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung
[15:36:09] <tilt> i do the MTA of www., and I get told 550 by mail.
[15:36:14] <jelly> would probably help
[15:36:31] <jelly> tilt: at which point do you get it?
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[15:36:41] <tilt> lemme check
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[15:38:23] <tilt> hmmmm
[15:40:45] <tilt> i think i have a bug in my setup
[15:41:01] <tilt> if I HELO as www.example.com remote takes it
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[15:48:21] <tilt> ahhh this was tricky. I had to modify $myhostname to actually say www.example.com
[15:48:34] <tilt> (because that's not the real hostname of the MTA)
[15:48:41] <tilt> thanks for advice :)
[15:49:47] <tilt> in unrelated news, the admin of mail. is not stupid .)
[15:52:11] <rob0> "mailname" is not a Postfix setting. Perhaps you meant myorigin?
[15:57:55] <jimpop> !mailname
[15:57:56] <knoba> jimpop: "mailname" : The file /etc/mailname is a plain ASCII configuration file, which on a Debian system contains the visible mail name of the system. It is used by many different programs, usually programs that wish to send or relay mail, and need to know the name of the system. "man 5 mailname" Also see: !debian
[16:01:39] <lunaphyte_> !money!
[16:01:40] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "money!" is not a valid command.
[16:03:00] <lunaphyte_> :(
[16:09:14] <jimpop> back to work lunaphyte_ !!!
[16:09:17] <jimpop> ;-)
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[16:47:17] <wdp> rob0, i like your style of writing howtos.
[16:48:10] <wdp> rob0, and you're explaining it well. not like the average <put-your-favorite-distro-here>-howto where people just throw with commands and parameters around
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[16:58:50] <tilt> jimpop, rob0: tue
[16:58:54] <tilt> true
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[17:03:33] <lunaphyte_> rob0: wed
[17:09:34] <rob0> lunaphyte_, mon
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[17:11:47] <jimpop> lunaphyte_: rob0: last week
[17:11:59] <lunaphyte_> ohno!
[17:12:22] <lunaphyte_> you mean i missed it?
[17:12:34] <jimpop> no, i missed it last week
[17:12:57] * jimpop wonders what we are txting about
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[17:39:02] <roe> anyone now what: 451 4.3.0 Error: queue file write error means?
[17:39:44] <rob0> is that Postfix or qmail? Isn't it self-explanatory?
[17:40:00] <kyconquers> is there a scripting language that postfix can read? ie: whiting a small bit of perl into a .cf file?
[17:40:10] <roe> rob0, it's postfix
[17:40:17] <rob0> ky, no.
[17:40:36] <kyconquers> k thanks rob0
[17:40:41] <lunaphyte_> well, sort of, in a sense.
[17:40:58] <lunaphyte_> kyconquers: i was going to suggest having a look at a pcre map
[17:41:08] <rob0> or maybe ...
[17:41:11] <rob0> !policy
[17:41:11] <knoba> rob0: "policy" : Postfix smtpd(8) policy protocol, http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_POLICY_README.html , for complex and intelligent restrictions
[17:41:25] <lunaphyte_> [or regex, for that matter] - but pcre would be the "bit of perl" you could put into a postfix lookup map
[17:42:34] <roe> rob0, it isn't really self explanatory to me, here is the full transcript: http://pastebin.com/7z1Hphb4
[17:43:11] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, so I could write pcre into one of the .cf files?
[17:43:18] <lunaphyte_> sure
[17:43:20] <lunaphyte_> !pcre
[17:43:20] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "pcre" : Perl-compatible regular expressions (pcre:) support in Postfix: http://www.postfix.org/PCRE_README.html
[17:45:31] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, this maybe what i've been looking for for the last couple of days. :)
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[17:45:55] <lunaphyte_> i was going to mention it last night, but didn't for some reason
[17:46:48] <rob0> po.gtsd.net tries to open a queue file and encounters a write error
[17:46:55] <rob0> roe ^^
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[17:47:37] <roe> any idea how I would figure out why?
[17:48:17] <lunaphyte_> just normal linux admin troubleshooting methods, i would imagine.
[17:50:48] <todd_dsm> hey guys, is there a way to apply tls to a postfix install and to only require it for specified domains?
[17:53:05] <rob0> po.gtsd.net is yours roe?
[17:53:12] <roe> yes
[17:53:27] <roe> it actually looks like the problem extends beyond mail
[17:53:40] <roe> so it isn't my responsibility anymore
[17:53:46] <rob0> df(1) and du(1) would be my first steps
[17:53:55] <roe> yea, it isn't a disk issue
[17:54:01] <roe> things seem to be segfaulting
[17:59:41] <kyconquers> lunaphyte, for my MUA seeing if there are more then two domain parts why would "if /%3.%2/" "mailbox=/vhosts/%2/%3/%u/ " "endif" not work?
[18:00:11] <kyconquers> i received 'missing '=' after attribute name: "if /%3.%2/" '
[18:00:45] <rob0> so the goal is to set up virtual_mailbox_maps ?
[18:01:14] <lunaphyte_> relay_recipient_maps
[18:02:05] <rob0> the result of relay_recipient_maps lookup is ignored.
[18:03:31] <lunaphyte_> [i thought it was r_r_m, as of yesterday, anyway]
[18:04:40] <kyconquers> it to set up virtual mailbox that is /vhosts/%2/%u/ if only two part domain, and vhosts/%2/%3/%u if three part
[18:05:18] <rob0> perhaps the question should be answered
[18:05:46] <kyconquers> I was testing the idea of domain spiting out on r_r_m but i really need it for my MDA i have to set up today.
[18:06:03] <rob0> what's wrong with vhosts/%d/%u ?
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[18:08:11] <kyconquers> rob0, my boss wants the inboxes of sub-domains separated but under main domain so for example/mail/ and example/sales we can see how much storage space is being use by both the sub-domains mail, sales and by example as a whole.
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[18:09:32] <rob0> and you can't get disk usage for vhosts/sales.example.com/ and vhosts/mail.example.com/ directories?
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[18:09:48] <kyconquers> from what i see it thinks "if /%3.%2/" is an attribute name. i didn't see anything in the doc about having to declare it a regex but is there a way to tell postfix it's a regex?
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[18:10:34] <rob0> it was never answered whether this was relay_recipient_maps or virtual_mailbox_maps or something else.
[18:10:55] <kyconquers> rob0, we could but my boss told me to do it this way for some other part that i'm not involved in.
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[18:11:33] <patdk-wk> that is going be a pain to do
[18:11:42] <patdk-wk> think you need more logic for it
[18:11:43] <kyconquers> right now i'm using it in R_R_M but I need it for V_M_M
[18:13:22] <kyconquers> is there a diference for having "if /%3.%2/" in a look up file as apposed to in main.cf?
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[18:23:59] <Chi-Town> i'm new to email server administration, please bare with me if i speak incorrectly. anyway to setup a mta so that if it is compromised, it does not hold any email?
[18:24:10] <Chi-Town> like a proxy
[18:24:48] <rob0> !address_classes
[18:24:49] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
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[18:25:02] <rob0> ^^ see "relay domain class"
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[18:28:30] <andy_wfc> !debug
[18:28:30] <knoba> andy_wfc: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/
[18:29:15] <andy_wfc> !welcome
[18:29:16] <knoba> andy_wfc: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[18:31:34] <kyconquers> can regex be incorporated without using a file dedicated to the regex?
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[18:38:10] <Chi-Town> rob0: thanks!
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[21:31:51] <theblackbox> is postfixadmin OT? seems a bit dead in their #
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[21:38:40] <psandin> I'm trying to configure postfix for a system that will include an abuse@ address, I'm trying to add a recipient restriction that would stop evaluating the other restrictions and forward the messge, check_recipient_access looks to be the right option for this but I'm not sure. Does the OK action do what I'm looking for? And if not how is OK different from DUNNO? Ultimate the mail is being forward on to another server for local delivery, would the FILTER a
[21:44:27] <morphje> never setup such a restriction, but as i read the postconf manual, it should be as you specified. why not try it :)
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[21:46:14] <psandin> Guess I'll give it a go and see what I get
[21:46:29] <morphje> that's how i screw up my server all the time :D
[21:46:50] <psandin> testing is no fun if you don't get to break something
[21:46:51] <morphje> eerr.... fix! definitly fix
[21:47:16] <morphje> test, but i prefer breaking my testserver ;)
[21:47:52] <morphje> gotta love virtualisation
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[21:49:22] <morphje> but i must ask
[21:49:29] <morphje> why such a setup?
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[21:49:51] <morphje> because complainers must adhere to your restrictions like any other, don't they ?
[21:50:26] <psandin> I'd like to make the abuse box as permissive as safely possible
[21:50:57] <psandin> people are going to do strange things with fail2ban, etc, and they'll still have valid compalints even if their local mail system is busted
[21:51:14] <morphje> true
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[22:02:57] <kreign> can anyone help me figure out how to configure postfix to talk to dovecot's LDA for user/password checking?
[22:03:24] <kreign> the dovecot.org docs basically say 'just paste this into master.cf' but it's not terribly clear.
[22:09:48] <psandin> morphje: now I'm running in to issues with the sender restrictions, I guess if nobody at fake dot tld wants to send a complaint they're out of luck
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[22:10:02] <psandin> thanks
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[23:17:41] <fubhy> !debug
[23:17:42] <knoba> fubhy: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/
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[23:20:15] <Rovanion> I'm fallowing this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Virtual_User_Mail_System#Postfix to set up a mail server. Problem is, when I try and start up postfix it errors out on the line with relay_domains = * : Bad field count.
[23:20:34] <Rovanion> Any ideas?
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