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[01:37:05] <thumbs> w/23
[01:38:56] <jimpop> su -
[01:39:04] <jimpop> 123rob0123
[01:39:11] <jimpop> doh!
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[04:37:40] <Blaster> hey if I have this in my maillog http://pastebin.com/Wh6MRBpR what would be the reason the message doesnt actually appear in my account at gmail?
[04:47:35] <danblack> !gmail
[04:47:35] <knoba> danblack: "gmail" : Google Mail issues?: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126
[04:51:17] <rob0> While we cannot read gmail's logs to find out what they did, it looks like you're doing alias/virtual alias same-envelope forwarding. That will be troublesome.
[04:51:41] <rob0> They may have flagged your IP address as a spam source.
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[04:57:09] <Blaster> ok
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[04:57:23] <Blaster> hey I'm wondering if the /var/mail/virtual folder is ment for Virtual Mailboxes?
[04:57:34] <Blaster> I noticed it was already created
[04:57:46] <rob0> who/what created it?
[04:58:31] <Blaster> Im not sure
[04:58:42] <Blaster> i think I must have
[04:58:48] <Blaster> because it has mail directories in it
[04:58:51] <rob0> there is no default virtual_mailbox_base
[04:58:58] <Blaster> so I define my own?
[04:59:19] <Blaster> and then in /etc/postfix/vmailbox I put user at domain dot com <relative_path> according to the path of virtual_mailbox_base ?
[04:59:50] <rob0> if you are going to use virtual mailboxes, you define virtual_mailbox_base, and that's probably right
[04:59:57] <Blaster> what about the Maildir folder?
[04:59:59] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_base
[04:59:59] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[05:00:14] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[05:00:14] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[05:00:23] <Blaster> does it append Maildir automatically?
[05:00:30] <rob0> !maildir
[05:00:30] <knoba> rob0: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[05:00:33] <rob0> no
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[05:01:04] <Blaster> something created /var/mail/virtual with domains as folders, then users as folders with Maildir inside the user folders
[05:01:20] <Blaster> Should I be trying to use those with my virtual mailboxes?
[05:02:18] <jimpop> what makes you think that is a postfix related issue?
[05:03:32] <Blaster> well I actually think the folders were created by dovecot
[05:03:41] <Blaster> but I dont really understand what dovecot does vs. what postfix does
[05:03:53] <jimpop> postfix is an MTA
[05:04:03] <jimpop> dovecot is over here #dovecot
[05:07:02] <rob0> It's quite possible that you configured Postfix to create those maildirs. It is not possible for us to guess what you did with any degree of certainty.
[05:07:35] <thumbs> I can predict with extremely high accuracy that rob0 will venture a !wag
[05:07:41] <Blaster> haha
[05:08:01] <Blaster> on the virtual mailbox example here: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[05:08:10] <Blaster> under Seperate domains, non-UNIX accounts
[05:08:21] <Blaster> how come it lists both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps
[05:08:29] <Blaster> you don't need both in order to just have virtual_mailbox_maps do you?
[05:08:50] <Blaster> and I don't need a /etc/postfix/virtual file to just have virtual mailboxes do I?
[05:12:40] <rob0> you can use any file, anywhere, as any Postfix lookup map name. There is nothing magical about a file called /etc/postfix/virtual unless you defined that in your config
[05:12:48] <Blaster> i just send a mail successfully to a user in my virtual_mailbox_maps
[05:12:57] <Blaster> and the base is defined as /var/mail/vhosts
[05:13:03] <Blaster> but there was no mail file created
[05:13:15] <Blaster> when I sent the mail on telnet it accepted the user
[05:13:36] <rob0> and you followed a howto which told you to use Dovecot deliver as VDA
[05:13:43] <rob0> ?
[05:14:04] <rob0> !postmapq
[05:14:04] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.
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[06:42:49] <Blaster> what kind of permissions do the virtual_mailbox_maps need
[06:42:57] <Blaster> and file owner?
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[06:56:31] <Blaster> hey I am having trouble figuring out why postfix isn't writing mail to my virtual mailbox path
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[08:02:44] <Blaster> what does static:1000 mean when referring to virtual_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps
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[11:25:24] <alterbass> hey guys!
[11:25:58] <alterbass> someone knows the proper way to override smtpd_recipients_restriction in master.cf?
[11:29:49] <alterbass> want to override chack_recipient_access precisely
[11:30:19] <alterbass> to make it unused for the submission daemon
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[11:36:53] <Haris> Hello people, guys, folks, everyone, all
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[11:37:35] <Haris> I have a virtual email account, that is configured in virtual_alias_domains as well as virtual_mailbox_maps, yet when mail comes in for it, postfix says relay access denied
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[11:43:24] <Haris> does the order in which smtpd_recipient_restrictions options come .. matter ?
[11:45:18] <Haris> I have this in smtpd_recipient_restrictions -> permit_mynetworks, check_client_access pcre:/var/spool/postfix/plesk/no_relay.re, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unauth_pipelining
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[11:46:32] <Haris> guys, anyone around ?
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[13:44:38] <Russel-Athletic> hiho, quick question: are aliases recursive? so if i define group1: email1,email2,email3 and group2: group1,email4, does it work as i would expect it to?
[13:52:53] <cristian> Hi guys, I am having issues with postfix: no SASL authentication mechanisms < -- this is the error message that keeps showing in logs.
[13:53:09] <cristian> And I can not send mail from other host.
[13:53:52] <Russel-Athletic> look up smtpd_sasl_auth, smtpd_sasl_path, smtpd_sasl_type and the like in your favorite howto
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[14:02:02] <Russel-Athletic> ah it seems like it
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[14:13:52] <Haris> looks like I need to re-create the virtual email account
[14:13:54] <Haris> that should do it
[14:14:27] <m1chael> is setting up mail forwarding to an external email address bad these days? can you get black listed?
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[14:32:27] <sepski> m1chael, you have things like spf that might block your mail if you do not implement srs
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[14:33:47] <samba35> i have installed postfix and cyrus and dovecot to get auth smtp work but i dont see many options of smtpd_sasl on my main.cf there are only 3 options
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[14:37:18] <sepski> why both cyrus and dovecot ?
[14:38:28] <samba35> i should only installed one ?
[14:38:44] <sysmonk> one is enough
[14:38:46] <sepski> you should atleast decide on witch one to use, i use dovecot
[14:38:50] <samba35> hmm ,i was told to install both
[14:38:55] <sepski> by whom ?
[14:39:12] <sysmonk> samba35: postconf -A
[14:39:15] <sysmonk> what does it return ?
[14:39:28] <sysmonk> er, sorry, postconf -a
[14:39:29] <samba35> ok so i will remvoe all cyrus package yum remove cyrus-*
[14:40:27] <buki> samba35: feel free to add all the sasl options you want/need to main.cf
[14:40:39] <samba35> and cyrus with -A
[14:41:03] <samba35> how do i add options
[14:41:12] <samba35> i was really looking for that
[14:41:29] <samba35> postconf ? but how to use options
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[14:41:38] <sysmonk> !welcome
[14:41:39] <knoba> sysmonk: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[14:41:40] <sysmonk> !sasl
[14:41:40] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[14:41:42] <sysmonk> go read.
[14:42:28] <sepski> samba35, and witch one do you want to use ? are you going to use cyrus or dovecot as imap/pop server ? it's normaly easiest to just use the same for sasl as well.
[14:43:25] <samba35> sorry ,i have no idea which one i should use should i remove cyrus ?
[14:43:35] <sysmonk> ...
[14:43:41] <sysmonk> samba35: what do you want to use it for?
[14:43:43] <Guest14401> what are you using for mail retrieval?
[14:44:32] <samba35> i am able to send mail but some email server reject mail due to smth auth ,i want to use smtp auth
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[14:45:44] <samba35> we are trying to setup mail server college
[14:45:59] <tuxick> #homework?
[14:46:19] <samba35> that is my kid
[14:46:25] <samba35> haha
[14:48:00] <samba35> tuxick: are ou talking about site blog ?
[14:48:11] <samba35> are you
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[14:59:18] <sepski> samba35, cyrus and dovecot are 2 different imap/pop implementations that also do sasl auth. the sasl auth is the minor item, there are other reasons you might have for picking one or the other. ; once you know what imap/pop server you want to run, you can configure it (cyrus or dovecot) and once that is configured. you can start on having postfix use it for sasl auth.
[15:00:57] <samba35> ok
[15:01:00] <sepski> samba35, also "some email server" is a bit vauge. if "some email server" is a mail server on the internet. then you'r problem is probably not smtp auth, but something else. smtp auth is only for _your_ users to send mail
[15:01:08] <samba35> understood
[15:01:44] <sepski> samba35, if this is used only to send. then you do not need the imap/pop part. and should just settle for dovecot. if this only sends mail from your web blogg thingy then you do not need smtp auth at all.
[15:02:28] <samba35> i want mail for incomming uers also
[15:02:52] <sepski> how do your users read their email ?
[15:03:12] <samba35> i was trying to remove cyrus but it has many dependcy
[15:03:36] <Haris> Hello folks
[15:03:37] <sepski> samba35, i think you need to take 2 steps back. and focus on your design and planning.
[15:03:46] <Haris> I have a virtual email account, that is configured in virtual_alias_domains as well as virtual_mailbox_maps, yet when mail comes in for it, postfix says relay access denied
[15:03:47] <samba35> we are planning at present i am @ home ,understanding how to implement it
[15:04:42] <Haris> postfix virtual readme says that anything that is configured in virtual_alias_domains or virtual_mail_maps is autoamtically considered for local/virtual delivery in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[15:04:48] <Haris> then why is postfix saying relay access denied ?
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[15:05:05] <sepski> Haris, you probably did something wrong. test both with postmap -q
[15:05:24] <Haris> did that
[15:05:46] <samba35> sepski: we are planning to incress user step by step 1st staff only then some class and so on
[15:05:47] <Haris> postmap -q "email@address" /var/spool/postfix/plesk/virtual gives back the email address
[15:05:47] <sepski> then read the topic and paste the nessecary diagnostics
[15:06:10] <sepski> samba35, how do you intend that your users should access their email ?
[15:06:18] <Haris> postmap -q "pg at stretchys dot de" /var/spool/postfix/plesk/vmailbox returns path to its maildir folder
[15:06:23] <Haris> oops
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[15:06:42] <Haris> ah well
[15:06:44] <samba35> webmail and outlook
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[15:07:00] <sepski> virtual is for the domain ? should it not just return the domail ?
[15:07:11] <Haris> I should paste (1) postconf -n and (2) logs output ?
[15:07:25] <Haris> virtual_domains is for virtual domain(s)
[15:07:36] <Haris> I think virtual is for virtual email accounts
[15:07:49] <sepski> samba35, so you will need a imap and pop server. and need to decide on one of them. personaly i use dovecot, your requierments might vary
[15:08:17] <samba35> ic
[15:08:28] <Haris> I should paste (1) postconf -n and (2) logs output ?
[15:08:38] <sepski> Haris, if you want halp..yes
[15:09:18] <samba35> sepski: i understood ,if you dont mind can i use dovecot for at home and understnad overall mail system before going for big setup
[15:09:19] <Haris> ok
[15:09:30] <sepski> Haris, also test the virtual_domain part since that's probably where it fail. since it try to relay
[15:10:13] <sepski> samba35, http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze/ is a nice reasource. that will walk you thru the things you need in the order you need it.
[15:10:50] <cristian> Hi guys, now this is stupid... I can send emails using telnet mailserver.howtodoityourself.org 465
[15:11:01] <cristian> But I can not do the same using Thunderbird...
[15:11:10] <cristian> Any hint where should I start debugging?
[15:11:35] <samba35> sepski: thank you ! i will go by entire page and link and get back to you
[15:11:38] <cristian> I get connection timeout, after saying: connected to mailserver.howtodoityourself.org.
[15:11:38] <sepski> cristian, without a ssl wrapper ? 465 is normaly smtp over slll
[15:11:41] <sepski> ssl
[15:11:57] <cristian> I think I disabled ssl wrappers.
[15:11:59] <samba35> thanks again ,if i have any douts i will again trouble you
[15:12:14] <sepski> cristian, then the reason it does not work is: you broke it
[15:12:29] <sepski> cristian, also submission > smtp+ssl
[15:12:55] <cristian> This is what I get in the logs, and that's it:
[15:13:00] <cristian> Feb 10 14:11:46 luna576 postfix/smtpd[23828]: lost connection after UNKNOWN from unknown[79.113.96.57]
[15:13:00] <cristian> Feb 10 14:11:46 luna576 postfix/smtpd[23828]: disconnect from unknown[79.113.96.57]
[15:13:00] <cristian>
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[15:13:22] <AL13N_work> i have an interesting problem
[15:13:28] <Haris> paste -> http://pastebin.com/6HP9dcxi
[15:13:43] <Haris> I'm sending mail from gmail -> this email address
[15:14:23] <sepski> cristian, why did you disable ssl ? and if you want to run regular smtp over a non default port. do not pick a port that dedicated to a different service like ssmtp (465) if you want to do it properly use submission instead
[15:15:07] <AL13N_work> we have an ex-client who apparently still uses our backup-script, which is spamming our mailbox, so, we're trying to block it with check_sender_access , but since that apparently bounces on their mailserver, and that bounced user apparently is still aliased to our support mailbox... so, in short, we've rejected that from address, but now we get the bounce instead... :-(
[15:15:23] <cristian> The issue is that ISP doesn't allow connections to port 25.
[15:15:32] <cristian> So I enabled smtps
[15:15:34] <sepski> Haris, why all the cruft in virtual_mailbox_domains ?
[15:15:58] <sepski> cristian, are you attempting to recieve mail from the internet at large ?
[15:15:59] <Haris> the first was for moving domains from old box to this new one
[15:16:06] <Haris> the 2nd and 3rd are default entries
[15:16:17] <Haris> for virtual_mailbox_domains
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[15:16:40] <cristian> I have a remote server somewhere in Germany. Need to set up email on it. I'm using a test domain at the moment.
[15:16:55] <sepski> AL13N_work, block their ip ? in client access
[15:16:55] <Haris> during the move, I had configured the old box to relay all received mail to this new move, untill dns change took effect
[15:17:03] <cristian> I can receive emails (dovecot), but I can not send any using an email client.
[15:17:07] <Haris> all new received mail that is
[15:17:24] <AL13N_work> sepski: well, my boss doesn't want them completely blocked, he thinks the real persons might want to email us again
[15:17:25] <Haris> the old box had different type mailbox configuration than this one
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[15:17:49] <Haris> it mapped mailbox-name@hostname to virtual email accounts
[15:18:06] <Haris> where-as I have normal virtual maildir mailboxes on this new box
[15:18:29] <Haris> I had to map the email accounts on old box to point to the right mailbox on the new box
[15:19:12] <sepski> AL13N_work, well the best would be to talk to them and update the addresses in the script.
[15:19:31] <AL13N_work> sepski: yes, well, let's just say that that is not an option atm
[15:19:56] <AL13N_work> sepski: at this point we just tried rejecting the daily backup emails, but now we get bounces from those instead
[15:20:09] <AL13N_work> but i don't get why the bounce isn't rejected by that same rule
[15:20:17] <sepski> AL13N_work, different sender address
[15:20:18] <os_admin> hello, i have a mail server in which i installed postfix-mysql.
[15:20:18] <os_admin> i use thunderbird for sending mails. i'd like to use this server as smtp relay for sending mails.
[15:20:19] <os_admin> which are parameters do i modified in postfix configuration for arrive to this goal
[15:20:49] <AL13N_work> sepski: well, the FROM lists MAILER-DAEMON@... , but i would guess the envelope from is root@... but we rejected both of them
[15:21:02] <AL13N_work> with check_sender_access
[15:21:16] <AL13N_work> so is there some kind of exception rule on bounces or something?
[15:21:29] <AL13N_work> or is it because it's a bounce on a reject from the same from and to user?
[15:21:57] <AL13N_work> i donno, i've set up hundreds of postfix users, but it's the first time that i don't see it
[15:22:03] <AL13N_work> s/users/systems/
[15:22:11] <Haris> I'll remove the temporary_virtual_domains entry in a few, since the old box has been de-commissioned
[15:22:56] <AL13N_work> sepski: is there some weird exeption that bounces cannot be rejected?
[15:27:42] <sepski> harris well i think that's the one that fail since it thinks is should relay instead of recieve with virtual.
[15:28:18] <sepski> AL13N_work, if you can't stop them from sending, just drop the mails in a sieve filter instead of blocking and generating bounces back and forward
[15:28:59] <Haris> ?
[15:28:59] <sepski> AL13N_work, or forward their mails to /dev/null based on sender. but sieve's are a cleaner way. if you have that allready
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[15:29:09] <Haris> let me remove and check
[15:29:27] <sepski> Haris, just check the 3 invididually with postmap -q
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[15:29:47] <sepski> gone for the day.
[15:29:51] <sepski> *poof*
[15:31:01] <AL13N_work> sepski: ah yes, just dropping them... good idea actually
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[15:31:14] <AL13N_work> sepski: not something we normally do...
[15:33:54] <samba35> when i run telnet host 25 >>ehlo aa.com it print one of line 250-STARTTLS is that mean it using ttl /ssl ?
[15:34:16] <samba35> tls /ssl ?
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[15:36:57] <Haris> I tried sending mail through telnet on localhost to this same email account, and I got a bounce: http://pastebin.com/RsD2yz7X
[15:37:01] <kisisten_> hi
[15:37:29] <Haris> I don't understand what it means -> status=bounced (mail for stretchys.de loops back to myself)
[15:38:12] <kisisten_> i keep getting these errors on my mailserver/dnsserver:
[15:38:14] <kisisten_> Feb 9 10:45:11 mailserver postfix/smtpd[8150]: warning: 142.78.126.216.zen.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=142.78.126.216.zen.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again
[15:38:37] <kisisten_> basically rbl is not working
[15:39:43] <kisisten_> if I test spamhaus from console it seems to work
[15:39:45] <Haris> the firs mapping returns nothing
[15:39:52] <Haris> first+
[15:40:03] <kisisten_> Haris: DNS issue
[15:40:20] <Haris> ?
[15:40:27] <Haris> how ?
[15:40:43] <Haris> what is not correctly configured in dns ?
[15:40:43] <buki> samba35: it means TLS is available
[15:40:48] <rob0> kisisten_, bad example, because 142.78.126.216.zen.spamhaus.org. is NXDOMAIN.
[15:40:49] <jelly> Haris: he's probably talking about his own issue
[15:41:07] <samba35> ok
[15:41:08] <Haris> jelly: ah, my bad.
[15:41:51] <alterbass> hey guys .. can you help ? i don't succeed to say to postfix : relaying to any domains is permited to submission daemon ...
[15:42:21] <rob0> kisisten_, "dig 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org. any" from there?
[15:42:35] <Haris> testing this ( postmap -q "pg at stretchys dot de" hash:/var/spool/postfix/plesk/vmailbox ) mapping returns the path to the virtual mailbox for this email account
[15:43:10] <Haris> this ( postmap -q "pg at stretchys dot de" hash:/var/spool/postfix/plesk/virtual_domains ) returns nothing
[15:43:18] <Haris> I think this is the problem
[15:43:38] <Haris> yet I'm stuck since plesk hasn't left any config files that I can alter and re-postmap to be done with it
[15:44:46] <kisisten_> rob0: that works fine
[15:45:01] <rob0> !tell kisisten_ chroot
[15:45:04] <knoba> kisisten_: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[15:45:28] <kisisten_> rob0: debian squeese :) ofcourse
[15:46:03] <rob0> or, maybe broken permissions on resolv.conf(5), but !chroot looks spot on.
[15:46:03] <Haris> yep
[15:46:05] <Haris> I was right
[15:46:21] <Haris> for some reason, the domain name is not present in /var/spool/postfix/plesk/virtual_domains
[15:46:45] <Haris> I manually added this domain to virtual_mailbox_domains in main.cf and now mail is being delivered locally, as normal
[15:47:06] <Haris> re-creating the email account should have put it in that file. but alas :|
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[15:47:57] <rob0> kisisten_, the point of !chroot is that you should fix or remove the chroot.
[15:48:05] <kisisten_> the funny thing is I've been running postfix on debian for a decade and never seen this issue
[15:48:31] <kisisten_> and in debian postfix is chrooted by default
[15:48:46] <kisisten_> SQL servers are not but postfix is
[15:48:49] <kisisten_> go figure
[15:49:02] <rob0> /etc/resolv.conf is irrelevant when chrooted
[15:49:06] <rob0> !debian
[15:49:06] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.
[15:49:20] <jelly> kisisten_: postfix maintainer in Debian likes it that way
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[15:51:16] <kisisten_> /var/spool/postfix/etc/ files seems to be correct
[15:52:55] <rob0> kisisten_, chroot /var/spool/postfix, and su postfix ... does the dig work?
[15:53:34] <rob0> oh, that won't work with an invalid shell
[15:54:32] <rob0> maybe su -c
[15:57:14] <kisisten_> nope
[15:57:19] <kisisten_> missing /bin/bash
[15:57:26] <Haris> damned. I hadn't checked the enable mail service for this domain. that's why plesk hadn't enabled it
[15:57:28] <Haris> my bad folks
[15:57:43] <Haris> its working ok now. no need for static entries anymore
[15:58:16] <kisisten_> DNS seems to works as email address resolution is fine
[15:58:36] <Haris> too much bearucratic work
[16:01:06] <rob0> and /etc/resolv.conf is the same as chroot?
[16:02:43] <kisisten_> rob0: nameserver 127.0.0.1
[16:02:52] <kisisten_> yes it's tje same
[16:02:57] <kisisten_> the
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[16:05:46] <Section1> the chroot lib/ dir its correct/exists ?
[16:06:02] <rob0> so you enabled query logging on the nameserver, and ...
[16:06:43] <rob0> !dnsbl_test
[16:06:43] <knoba> rob0: "dnsbl_test" : Many DNSBLs support a special test record of 127.0.0.2, so you can dig 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org. any to test Zen, for example. See also http://www.crynwr.com/spam/ to test your server's use of various DNSBLs.
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[16:06:54] <Section1> yeah or tcpdump
[16:07:58] <kisisten_> hmm, these are my dns errors:
[16:08:00] <kisisten_> named[3692]: error (network unreachable) resolving '37.26.66.77.zen.spamhaus.org/A/IN': 2001:7b8:3:1f:0:2:53:1#53
[16:08:45] <Section1> :)
[16:09:06] <kisisten_> why?
[16:09:28] <kisisten_> ipv6
[16:09:30] <Section1> ipv6 problem ?
[16:10:01] <kisisten_> listen-on-v6 { any; }; << that is default in named.conf
[16:10:15] <kisisten_> I don't use ipv6
[16:10:40] <rob0> named.conf has no default, that is a distributor thing
[16:11:01] <kisisten_> hmm
[16:11:05] <rob0> anyway, if you don't have ipv6, start named with -4
[16:12:23] <kisisten_> check
[16:12:38] <kisisten_> lets see what will be
[16:12:43] <kisisten_> thanks gentelmen
[16:14:53] <kisisten_> i recall reading a dpkg note that "ipv6 is enabled by default"
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[16:18:01] <samba35> how to create a Maildir for user ,if user is already created
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[16:20:25] <rob0> I doubt that fixing the ipv6 problem in named is what will solve it, but unfortunately I won't be able to continue on this, afk.
[16:20:27] <pala> i'm searching for the name of the configuration option that instructs the server to shut down a connection in case the client idles too much
[16:21:23] <wdp> umz umz umz
[16:21:44] <happy_> pala, keep alive settings? http://postfixmail.com/blog/index.php/manage-mail-server-connections/
[16:21:57] <happy_> may be wrong, dont hold me to it, ive not read the page
[16:23:11] <pala> that's kernel configuration, i'm pretty sure there must be a postfix configuration
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[16:23:21] <pala> happy_, ^
[16:23:49] <happy_> o
[16:23:50] <happy_> blast :D
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[16:28:25] <pala> ah, found it, smtpd_timeout
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[16:30:40] <happy_> awesome
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[16:47:44] <mfilipe> Hi! I want create a server that only redirects the emails that it receives. For example: {admin,root,me} at mydomain dot com will be always redirected to mfilipe at someemailhost dot com. I don't need of mailbox to those emails. What is the best way to do that?
[16:49:31] <mfilipe> I want the path to do that.
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[17:05:01] <kmmndr> hi all :-)
[17:05:09] <kmmndr> I've a smarthost configured
[17:05:51] <kmmndr> but we are using multiples internet connection
[17:06:20] <kmmndr> and I want to remove bounce of message when my smarthost refuse to handle mails
[17:06:45] <kmmndr> is there a better way than removing the "bounce" line in master.cf ?
[17:07:27] <kmmndr> in other words, I want to keep my mails in queue until they could be succesfully sent
[17:10:59] <lunaphyte_> why are you passing messages to your smarthost that it does not like?
[17:16:43] <kmmndr> because we have 2 internet connections
[17:17:10] <kmmndr> and the smart host is only accepting mails from one connection
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[17:24:39] <lunaphyte_> i don't understand.
[17:24:58] <lunaphyte_> use that connection then.
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[17:25:24] <lunaphyte_> don't use the other internet connection to send emails to the smarthost
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[17:33:08] <kmmndr> the connection is not permanent, that's a satelite line
[17:33:25] <thumbs> heh.
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[17:33:37] <kmmndr> I want to keep the mail in queue if the smarthost refuse to send email
[17:34:19] <kmmndr> in the "default" debian configuration, the mail are bounced if the smarthost refuse to relay mail
[17:34:34] <kmmndr> I just want to keep mails in queue
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[17:41:18] <ansch> How do I restrict users to only send mail from/with an alias connected to their mailbox, I use mysql to store all info. Probably really easy to fix, I just can't figure it out, been at it for a few days now.
[17:42:17] <ansch> Virtual users.
[17:43:05] <ansch> I also use Dovecot LDA, if it matters, maybe thats where I need to restrict it and not in Postfix?
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[19:52:51] <morphje> this just needed be done: YAY postfix is working like i want :) took me some time and most of it was entirely my own fault ;)
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[20:37:20] <Motoko> morphje, when Postfix doesn't work like you want, most of the time it is your fault. Luckily, it's well-documented and quite good at providing logs.
[20:37:50] <morphje> i know ;)
[20:38:30] <morphje> except when you forget to install libpam_mysql, then it will take you too long staring at logs that don't show anything ;)
[20:38:41] <morphje> like i said, entirely my fault
[20:39:46] * Motoko doesn't like PAM
[20:40:20] <morphje> neither do i, however i don't like unencrypted passwords in my database
[20:40:23] <morphje> even more
[20:41:13] <Motoko> Dovecot + MySQL backend.
[20:41:17] <Motoko> No PAM
[20:41:30] <morphje> does dovecot sasl do encrypted?
[20:41:39] <Motoko> I think so.
[20:41:48] <morphje> because sasl was the only thing requiring pam
[20:41:51] <morphje> cyrus that is
[20:41:53] <Motoko> Dovecot is a pretty awesome IMAP/POP3 daemon.
[20:42:01] <Motoko> Also SASL provider.
[20:42:11] <Motoko> Cyrus is... well... what it is.
[20:42:52] <morphje> currently running courier, since i'm most familiar with it
[20:43:02] <Motoko> Ah.
[20:43:12] <Motoko> I recommend looking into Dovecot.
[20:43:21] <Motoko> There are scripts to make migration very clean.
[20:43:37] <Motoko> It's also much faster with lots of mail.
[20:43:56] <morphje> i know i should google it, but i'm feeling lucky: pro/cons ?
[20:44:43] <Motoko> Not much in the way of cons, other than it's not like Courier.
[20:44:45] <Motoko> That's also a pro.
[20:45:01] <Motoko> It focuses on being secure.
[20:45:06] <Motoko> http://www.dovecot.org/
[20:45:24] <Motoko> The overview on the main page has good info.
[20:45:41] <Motoko> "Any crash, no matter how it happened, is considered a bug that will be fixed." <-- Awesome attitude
[20:45:47] <seekwill> :)
[20:46:15] <Motoko> "I offer 1000 EUR of my own money to the first person to find a security hole from Dovecot."
[20:47:42] <Motoko> http://www.dovecot.org/security.html <-- List of found security issues
[20:48:19] <morphje> okay okay, i guess it is a better choice :)
[20:49:09] <Motoko> Yeah. It's awesome.
[20:49:12] <morphje> since we are on the better software tour. i'm afraid to ask about the better webmail software
[20:49:27] <Motoko> I haven't found a good webmail product.
[20:49:47] <Motoko> Roundcube is pretty, but not all that functional (last I looked).
[20:50:10] <Motoko> Squirrelmail looks like a mess, but is very extensible and configurable.
[20:50:19] <morphje> function over beauty
[20:50:57] <Motoko> @mail looks interesting, but suffers some of the same issues as Roundcube.
[20:51:00] <morphje> squirrelmail calling a mess is even being nice. it's code doesn't adhere to any good coding practice whatsoever.
[20:51:48] <morphje> @mail?
[20:51:52] <morphje> never heard of that one
[20:52:35] <Motoko> http://atmail.org/
[20:52:45] <morphje> already looking
[20:52:51] <morphje> it does look fancy :)
[20:53:03] <morphje> better then squirrel, but that is east
[20:53:05] <morphje> easy
[20:53:30] <Motoko> Looks aren't everything.
[20:53:56] <Motoko> I've love to see a clone of the gmail interface, or something pretty. Maybe Zimbra webmail frontend that works with IMAP.
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[20:55:15] <morphje> sounds like a new coding challange
[20:56:48] <Motoko> Beyond my skills.
[20:58:42] <Motoko> Expensive, but pretty: http://nutsmail.com/portfolio/basic-skins
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[21:06:20] <Motoko> Wow, Roundcube has a lot of plugins now.
[21:06:29] <Motoko> It might just be a good replacement
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[21:08:09] <morphje> where did you find the plugin overview for roundcube ?
[21:08:21] <morphje> ah found em
[21:08:57] <Motoko> There's one for migrating all the old squirrelmail settings, including abook.
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[21:09:57] <morphje> it is a pretty comprehensive list
[21:11:03] <morphje> dear user, we've upgrade to something new. We kindly request that you start all over :D
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[21:13:16] <Motoko> lol
[21:13:56] <morphje> it seems like i have an extensive upgrade track lying in front of me
[21:14:10] <morphje> i don't know if i should be thanking you or not
[21:14:22] <morphje> ;)
[21:17:54] <Motoko> Heh
[21:17:59] <Motoko> Just pace yourself.
[21:18:22] <Motoko> Heck, I still have a several-year-old project to migrate from qmail for one of my customer's environments.
[21:21:25] <morphje> never said i was going to do it today :)
[21:21:58] <morphje> first i have to finish the current migration
[21:22:33] <morphje> almost done
[21:22:42] <morphje> "just" a few typo3 sites to go
[21:23:58] <morphje> firewall next
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[21:28:47] <Motoko> I'm fixing a customer's server.
[21:29:00] <Motoko> They accidently ran chown -R apache:apache . while in /
[21:29:34] <wdp> apachefied
[21:30:37] <morphje> i had a friend once who ran chmod -R 777 / because he couldn't get his seti at home client working, which was complaining about the right access rights
[21:32:01] <Motoko> lol
[21:32:33] <morphje> well if he was the one who jsut spend 2-3 hours instlaling slackware on that box, then yeah, it was fun
[21:32:40] <morphje> however .......
[21:33:02] <morphje> i managed to kill all that work in one go
[21:33:05] <Motoko> This is a RHEL box, so RPM fixed the major parts.
[21:33:06] <morphje> i = he
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[21:56:24] <bAndie9100> hi clever men
[21:57:48] <bAndie9100> i just tending to connect postfix and spamassassin
[21:57:53] <Dominian> We're only clever if we solve the problem.
[21:58:19] <bAndie9100> (it was only a kinding addressing from me :)
[21:59:01] <bAndie9100> so i browsed over many tutorial about this act
[21:59:55] <bAndie9100> and cant figure out what do the lines in master.cf
[22:00:49] <bAndie9100> really i looking for a filter-like config directive or option
[22:02:05] <bAndie9100> simple let the raw email through a filter (eg. spamc) and then continue...
[22:07:41] <wdp> mhm
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[23:29:08] <DPP> can postfix be told to use a smart-relay that has a user authentication?
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[23:29:44] <DPP> the relay is willing to take mail from lots of usernames, but the connection itself must be authenticated (TLS+SMTPS, sadly)
[23:30:35] <lunaphyte> of course
[23:30:51] <lunaphyte> but you want submission+starttls, not smtps
[23:31:07] <DPP> submission?
[23:31:13] <lunaphyte> also, that's not authentication. that's encryption
[23:31:55] <DPP> i'm pretty sure you're wrong, unless you just happen to know what the use case is.
[23:32:20] <DPP> http://awsdocs.s3.amazonaws.com/ses/latest/ses-dg.pdf turns out, AWS actually did the hard part
[23:33:12] <DPP> they require that the sender be authenticated and they require SMTPS for encryption.
[23:34:12] <lunaphyte> in what way am i wrong?
[23:34:24] <DPP> the part where your words don't line up with theirs?
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[23:34:52] <lunaphyte> be specfic
[23:34:55] <lunaphyte> *specific
[23:35:15] <DPP> maybe that's a matter of semantics, but SMTPS doesn't emply submission or authentication
[23:36:20] <lunaphyte> that's what i said.
[23:36:45] <lunaphyte> you said "...authenticated (TLS+SMTPS…"
[23:36:56] <lunaphyte> i said "that's not authentication. that's encryption"
[23:37:31] <DPP> anyhow, the information I've read just now said that postfix wouldn't be handling the SSL function but would do the starttls bit.
[23:37:38] <DPP> Why wouldn't it be able to handle both?
[23:37:44] <lunaphyte> starttls is ssl.
[23:37:50] <lunaphyte> i don't understand what you're asking.
[23:37:53] <DPP> except it isn't.
[23:37:55] <lunaphyte> it is
[23:38:13] <DPP> there's SSL handshakes and there's STARTTLS after a connection is made.
[23:38:23] <DPP> the AWS SES services does (for some reason) both.
[23:38:23] <lunaphyte> starttls is how encryption is performed during an smtp session. it doesn't matter if you use ssl or tls.
[23:38:32] <lunaphyte> starttls is an ssl handshake.
[23:39:36] <lunaphyte> once upon a time, there was smtps. now, there is starttls. smtps is deprecated. abandoned. starttls has replaced it. both can use either ssl or tls. neither should ever use ssl, as it's also been deprecated/abandoned.
[23:41:13] <lunaphyte> anyway, to get back on topic, postfix will perform both encryption [starttls] and authentication [smtp auth] as a client perfectly fine.
[23:42:10] * Motoko still supports smtps for customers
[23:42:45] <Motoko> (Outlook and OE/WLMail both really screw up the whole SSL and SMTP thing anyway)
[23:44:11] <lunaphyte> what matters is not that there are undesirable circumstances in which abandoned technologies still persist, but rather that those who maintain them understand they should go away and are making an effort to do so.
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[23:47:02] <Motoko> I try to encourage TLS and submission, but many of the major mail clients pretend they don't exist.
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