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[00:17:49] <gregor3005> hi, i need some help with header_checks my rules remove some matching lines but not all. my rule: http://paste2.org/p/1894344
[00:18:03] <gregor3005> eg the rule to remove the internal ip and 127.0.0.1
[00:18:12] <gregor3005> or X-Virus-Scanned
[00:20:18] <danblack> X-Virus-Scanned probably can be not added
[00:20:42] <gregor3005> i try to remove it not to add it
[00:20:44] <danblack> I wouldn' t bother removing headers. it will just get you into debugging trouble later.
[00:21:03] <gregor3005> but postfix tell to much internals infos
[00:21:31] <gregor3005> eg: used client, internal ip, used version (so an attacker can faster search for exploids), ....
[00:21:41] <gregor3005> exploits*
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[00:24:26] <osmosis> not sure what this error means.
[00:24:27] <osmosis> Feb 4 15:24:05 joy postfix/smtpd[7687]: warning: connect to 127.0.0.1:10023: Connection refused
[00:24:27] <osmosis> Feb 4 15:24:05 joy postfix/smtpd[7687]: warning: problem talking to server 127.0.0.1:10023: Connection refused
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[00:27:29] <Zerberus> osmosis: there is no service running on 10023 while you have postfix instructed to contact it
[00:27:49] <Zerberus> blindly followed a "tutorial"?
[00:28:45] <osmosis> hmm
[00:28:52] <osmosis> what usually runs on 10023?
[00:29:17] <Zerberus> probably a policy service
[00:30:09] <jimpop> grep 10023 master.cf
[00:32:13] <jimpop> gregor3005: your parens are messed up. Use "\( blah \)"
[00:32:21] <rob0> that's not a "usual" port
[00:32:38] <jimpop> parens are for OR logic. i.e. "(this|that)"
[00:38:55] <gregor3005> jimpop: thx im trying it
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[00:40:29] <osmosis> should I use courier or dovecot?
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[00:41:51] <thumbs> osmosis: we usually recommend dovecot
[00:41:57] <osmosis> ok
[00:41:59] <thumbs> osmosis: it's far easier to use and maintain
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[00:43:37] <gregor3005> jimpop: strange is that when i add the following line only the line with the internal ip is remove not the line with 127.0.0.1: /^Received: from <servername>/ IGNORE
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[00:46:03] <jimpop> gregor3005: are you using header_checks or smtp_header_checks ?
[00:46:14] <jimpop> the prior is for smtpD and the later for smtp
[00:46:24] <gregor3005> header_checks
[00:46:37] <jimpop> that will only strip that line off from incoming email
[00:46:52] <jimpop> you probably want a second pcre file for smtp_header_checks
[00:47:02] <gregor3005> ah
[00:47:05] <jimpop> that will strip off that domain on outbound email
[00:48:01] <jimpop> just becareful to not strip off the received line that shows where your smtpD process received the mail from
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[00:48:31] <jimpop> to be clear, other systems want to see clearly where your system received mail from before sending it on
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[00:54:46] <jimpop> postfix really needs a disable_internal_received_headers param for main.cf that will prevent postfix from injecting those headers but still log to syslog. imho.
[00:55:07] <gregor3005> yes
[00:55:25] <jimpop> to/from clamav/spamassassin/amavis/dovecot/etc has zero value outside of the system.
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[00:56:44] <jimpop> and all those apps already have logfiles cluttered with "connect from postfix (10023)" etc.
[00:57:16] <jimpop> adding it to off-system headers is just a waste of more CPU cycles and network bits
[00:57:27] <jimpop> again, imho
[00:57:35] * jimpop steps down from his soapbox
[00:57:49] <gregor3005> you know which header informations are important or best practices tipps?
[00:58:00] <jimpop> all of them
[00:58:14] <jimpop> execpt for what we just dicsussed. ;-)
[00:58:19] <jimpop> *discussed
[00:58:54] <jimpop> i went down the path of removing "extra" headers from inbound email (mailinglist stuff)
[00:59:53] <jimpop> the problem is some ISPs (and postini!) don't like to receive mailinglist email "From:" one of their accounts if certain headers aren't present
[01:00:04] <jimpop> *certain weird headers
[01:01:42] <jimpop> headers like X-TMWD-Spam-Summary, X-WSS-ID, X-MMS-Spam-Filter-ID, etc
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[01:02:22] <jimpop> and those headers change over time, in my experience
[01:03:09] <gregor3005> not good
[01:03:37] <jimpop> and clogs the list archive mboxes
[01:04:14] <gregor3005> i try to remove only privacy and security important headerinformations
[01:04:29] <jimpop> yeah, me too
[01:05:41] <gregor3005> i found also that a "good" test is to send to an gmx recipient and check if the mail don't move spam folder
[01:06:26] <jimpop> i could spend 30 mins on the apache mailinglist archive and tell you a list of phish'able admins who run MS Outlook and what version of Outlook
[01:06:59] <gregor3005> and to one test server in my company that used gfi mail essential and a trend micro scanner
[01:07:14] <gregor3005> :D
[01:07:26] <jimpop> yes, gmx is a very strict receiver.
[01:07:55] <gregor3005> my rules are ready
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[01:08:40] <gregor3005> now i have to find the right way to tell my zimbra server that it should set smtp_header_checks after upgrade
[01:15:28] <gregor3005> i also removed header_checks so i have only smtp_header_checks.
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[01:33:46] <gregor3005> jimpop: thanks for you help
[01:33:55] <gregor3005> bye and have a nice day
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[01:36:45] <jimpop> your welcome
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[02:11:13] <Post13Gray> My server only can receive from itself, not outside domains. Is there a firewall reason this could be?
[02:11:52] <danblack> !tell Post13Gray welcome
[02:11:52] <knoba> Post13Gray: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[02:12:06] <lunaphyte> you mean jus like a yes/no question? sure, of course.
[02:12:30] <lunaphyte> probably would make more sense and be more helpful though to read the channel /topic. that way you can get actual help.
[02:14:23] <Post13Gray> !debug
[02:14:23] <knoba> Post13Gray: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/
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[02:19:24] <Post13Gray> Alright, for some reason, my postfix will not receive from external domains (i.e. GMail to MYDOMAIN doesn't work, but I can send @MYDOMAIN to @MYDOMAIN and the mail comes through just fine). I'm curious if this might be a firewall problem, somehow Shorewall doesn't accept the incoming mail from an external domain (port issue!?) [pastebins in 1 second]
[02:19:33] <Post13Gray> main.cf http://pastebin.com/FmrvvbvN
[02:19:39] <Post13Gray> shorewall/rules http://pastebin.com/xsZeFjqZ
[02:24:02] <rob0> !nologs
[02:24:03] <knoba> rob0: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
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[02:26:44] <emr> Hello, i can able to reach smtp on server localhost, but cant connect from internet, getting no route to host
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[02:35:26] <Post13Gray> Following up on my previous posts, I've gotten my mail.log and rounded out the stuff that tells me something's wrong when my gmail sends the mail to my domain.
[02:35:30] <Post13Gray> pastebin :http://pastebin.com/UqnE54Sj
[02:35:51] <Post13Gray> It's teh 451 Server Configuration Error, but only when it's from Gmail, not internal to internal
[02:37:07] <rob0> You snipped too much from that.
[02:37:36] <Post13Gray> Full-log coming (sans GREP)...
[02:37:38] <rob0> Need to show ALL the non-verbose logging for the [attempted] transaction.
[02:37:52] <rob0> no, just for one mail
[02:38:04] <rob0> !relevant_logs
[02:38:04] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
[02:39:49] <Post13Gray> rob0: So the mail.log is NOT applicable?
[02:40:41] <rob0> Show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. You snipped too much from the previous.
[02:44:35] <Post13Gray> Okay, I think I got this. I've taken teh full mail.log for what appears (to me, which isn't saying much) to be the complete chain of custody of the mail from start to finish
[02:44:41] <Post13Gray> Mail.log piece: http://pastebin.com/3zXZeLWx
[02:45:18] <Patrickdk> nname config errors :)
[02:45:31] <Patrickdk> looks pretty self explanitory
[02:46:00] <Post13Gray> To be dumb... what's that mean? Have I defined the wrong myorigin?
[02:46:15] <jimpop> what's the mail.log say?
[02:46:30] <jimpop> did you look at what you pastebin'ed?
[02:46:40] <Post13Gray> jimpop: i'm trying to
[02:46:52] <jimpop> it took me 3 seconds to see the problem
[02:47:20] <Post13Gray> is it my smtpd_data string error? I see that
[02:47:48] <jimpop> ok
[02:48:08] <jimpop> warning: unknown smtpd restriction: "permitsmtpd_data_restrictions"
[02:48:15] <Post13Gray> Typo'd that line. That's it?
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[02:48:29] <jimpop> dunno, haven't seen your main.cf yet
[02:48:42] <Post13Gray> my postconf -n is paste'd above... lemme find it again
[02:49:03] <Post13Gray> postconf -n: http://pastebin.com/FmrvvbvN
[02:49:37] <jimpop> yep, there's a formatting error
[02:49:40] <jimpop> at least one
[02:49:45] <jimpop> maybe more
[02:50:07] <Post13Gray> Gotcha. But that permit line is definitely off.
[02:51:45] <Post13Gray> That seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks jimpop! I think I learned a thing or two about how to debug postfix
[02:51:58] <jimpop> permitsmtpd_data_restrictions should have a charage return between permit and smtpd_data_restrictions
[02:52:10] <jimpop> yw
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[03:29:16] <jeev> jimpop
[03:29:22] <jimpop> si
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[03:30:40] <jeev> can you just change your nick to jimbob, you're giving me anxiety
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[03:32:04] <jimpop> ha
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[06:41:41] <penrod> greetings, setting up a new mailserver with postfix , trying to figure out the virtual_domains and am receiving the following error from running postmap.... warning: /etc/postfix/virtual_alias_domains, line 1: expected format: key whitespace value
[06:47:30] <Corey> !tell penrod welcome
[06:47:30] <knoba> penrod: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[06:47:51] <thumbs> Corey: did you see rob0's attempt at a ban before?
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[06:54:10] <penrod> knoba: thanks, not new, haven't been on irc for quite some time. Set up a mailserver many years ago, and recently have been required to build a new one. basically following the process I used ~ 8 years ago. Clearly some things have changed, but not substatntially. The new server is hosting virtual domains. I made a simple file , using vi with the virtual domains " listed. ( presently one...
[06:54:12] <penrod> ...domain) and the error I receive when i run postmap hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_domains is as mentioned earlier. I am not sure any further info would be of assistance. Am I followoing a delude path ?
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[07:13:09] <Corey> thumbs: It was adorable.
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[08:33:57] <osmosis> I know nothing. I just got here. Where do I start to learn how to get a mail server up and running with postfix?
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[09:37:11] <osmosis> i have postfix setup from this guide, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html What I need next is a guide to setting up users for virtual domains.
[09:37:31] <osmosis> maybe ill read http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[14:07:34] <osmosis> trying to decide if I should just do the manual config for virtual hosts with maildir, or use the mysql one.
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[16:09:06] <eshlox> hi, i configure postfix+dovecot with this tutorial - http://www.hackmode.net/?page_id=80 but emails are'nt delivered autise of localhost, any ideas why?
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[16:15:59] <Zerberus> !welcome
[16:15:59] <knoba> Zerberus: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[16:17:59] <eshlox> !debug
[16:17:59] <knoba> eshlox: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/
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[16:20:45] <eshlox> postconf -n http://pastebin.com/1ZsgBDm3
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[16:31:04] <eshlox> sendmail -bv my_mail return Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>.
[16:31:12] <eshlox> and mail is in root mailbox
[16:32:13] <Zerberus> eshlox: how about providing log content demonstrating your problem?
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[16:33:22] <eshlox> Zerberus: i try show this.. but i doesnt have any log ;-S
[16:34:31] <Zerberus> eshlox: pretty much unlikely
[16:34:49] <Zerberus> !logs
[16:34:49] <knoba> Zerberus: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /path/to/syslog_config_file should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung
[16:35:56] <eshlox> hm
[16:36:10] <eshlox> almawet Maildir # postconf -h syslog_facility
[16:36:10] <eshlox> mail
[16:36:15] <eshlox> !no_log
[16:36:15] <knoba> eshlox: Error: "no_log" is not a valid command.
[16:36:20] <eshlox> !no_logs
[16:36:20] <knoba> eshlox: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[16:44:06] <eshlox> hm, ok, i find log in /var/log/messages ;-S
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[16:44:41] <eshlox> fatal: non-null host address bits in "178.79.141.78/24", perhaps you should use "178.79.141.0/24" instead
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[17:13:40] <zastaph> I'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and go hmm.. aren't there an easier way?
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[17:17:43] <Zerberus> zastaph: you probably better use a mail provider
[17:18:13] <zastaph> no im pretty sure I want to host the mails myself.. I managed to setup Zimbra, but it has more than I need, and takes many resources
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[17:23:52] <eshlox> ok, server received emails (i see this in ~/Maildir/new//, i can send email with mail client, but.. if i connect using mail client and try get mails then server say there is no mails ;-S http://pastebin.com/eXThKJSf
[17:24:17] <eshlox> hints? ;-)
[17:25:41] <Zerberus> eshlox: it is not the job of the MTA to provide mails by IMAP4/POP3
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[17:29:35] <eshlox> Zerberus: ok, sa this is job for dovecot?
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[17:30:11] <Zerberus> eshlox: dovecot is a server which speaks IMAP4/POP3 protocols
[17:30:59] <eshlox> hm, so what i must have to get mails from server?
[17:33:59] <Zerberus> eshlox: configure dovecot properly to your needs - there is #dovecot
[17:34:13] <eshlox> ok, thanks
[17:36:33] <Zerberus> it does not replace that you carefully read the documentation
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[17:42:26] <doorp> It's invalid to have hostname as IP? postmap: warning: valid_hostname: numeric hostname: <IP> ... postmap: fatal: unable to use my own hostname
[17:43:39] <Zerberus> doorp: obvious, isn't it?
[17:44:12] <doorp> Zerberus: Actually it didn't make sense to me
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[17:49:35] <doorp> Is there a way to make postfix use a domain predefined, without using `hostname`?
[17:50:56] <twobithacker> set mydomain or myhostname in main.cf?
[17:52:29] <doorp> twobithacker: I actually do, so I guess I should be setting it before calling postmap
[17:52:33] <doorp> twobithacker: Thanks for the hint
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[18:06:38] <doorp> I guess there's no way of making postfix ignore `localhost` while building it?... guess I'll just set a temporary hostname
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[19:44:41] <vicapow> hi
[19:45:34] <vicapow> I'm setting up an postfix on my machine but when i try and send a test email it never shows up in google
[19:46:20] <vicapow> i noticed this in my /var/log/mail.log file: certificate verification failed for gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
[19:47:14] <Zerberus> !welcome vicapow
[19:47:14] <knoba> Zerberus: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command.
[19:47:30] <Zerberus> !welcome
[19:47:30] <knoba> Zerberus: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
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[19:54:17] <vicapow> Zerberus: That's for the welcome! Is there something I've done wrong?
[19:54:44] <thumbs> vicapow: you need to read the /topic
[19:55:00] <vicapow> !debug
[19:55:01] <knoba> vicapow: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/
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[20:13:23] <vicapow> From what I can tell, my email is being delivered to gmail but my email only shows up in gmail if I send the message from telnet localhost. if I telnet into my smtp server from a remote host, the email seems to be sent successfully (i.e., status=sent) but it doesn't show up in gmail. here is the pastebin of my log: http://pastebin.ca/2109980
[20:17:56] <vicapow> I'd like to be able to send emails from my local machine via my smtp server running postfix and have them be show up in gmail
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[20:31:57] <Zerberus> vicapow: then verify that everything is setup properly: forward + reverse DNS, $myhostname, properly formatted mail which appears as non-spam
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[20:38:33] <vicapow> Zerberus: that appeared to be the issue. I was using a dummy email address as the "from" address in both cases. if I use my servers hostname it works properly in both cases
[20:55:35] <vicapow> will postfix know to queue messages or does it block for each request?
[20:58:09] <Zerberus> vicapow: Postfix is compliant to the RFCs - don't know what your question is about (5xx vs. 4xx?)
[21:00:24] <vicapow> Zerberus: sorry. never mind
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