May 31, 2011 
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May 31, 2011 [00:01:41] *** weedar has quit IRC[00:03:48] *** gratnam11 has quit IRC[00:05:20] <adaptr> !rob0a_constriction_class[00:05:20] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "rob0a_constriction_class" is not a valid command.[00:10:39] *** wdp has quit IRC[00:19:59] *** tomocha66 has joined #postfix[00:20:05] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[00:21:29] *** hever has quit IRC[00:23:52] *** Slingky has joined #postfix[00:24:25] <Slingky> hi guys, I use postfix as a relay for multiple remote smtp servers[00:24:35] <Slingky> it just stop working for one of them[00:24:40] <Slingky> very weird[00:24:59] <Slingky> the remote not working is running exchange server 2003 sbs sp2[00:25:23] <Slingky> I'm able to send a message if I connect through telnet and input commands manually[00:25:37] <Slingky> but messages get stucked in queue on the relay[00:26:07] <Slingky> I get 442 status=deferred timed out while sending end of data[00:26:11] <Slingky> Any idea ?[00:26:16] <adaptr> !relevant_logs[00:26:16] <knoba> adaptr: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[00:26:42] * tharkun thinks this is not smtp related but firewalled related[00:27:02] <rob0> "timed out while sending end of data" means that the other side did not acknowledge end-of-data.[00:27:09] * adaptr beats tharkun 's head against the firewall[00:27:11] <Slingky> Only firewall is netgear wndr3700 router (and nothing changed on that device)[00:27:26] <adaptr> Slingky: telnet from the postfix machine to the remote server[00:27:31] <Slingky> default timeout is 10 minutes I think[00:27:41] <Slingky> telnet is working from the postfix machine[00:27:47] <adaptr> show us[00:27:50] <rob0> So it could be some kind of firewall problem, or a problem on the other end. Nothing Postfix can do about it.[00:28:01] <Slingky> I'm able to send email by issuing helo, mail from, rcpt to and data commands[00:29:03] <rob0> Sounds like you need to call Microsoft.[00:29:14] <rob0> glwt[00:29:25] <adaptr> arfea[00:29:48] <jimpop> calling microsoft is easy... getting an answer not so similar. ;-)[00:30:51] <tharkun> At least you get a faster response than when you call google[00:31:19] <adaptr> you have to know who to call[00:31:28] <tharkun> dooohhhhh[00:31:47] <thumbs> "who'r ya gonna call?" "Ghostbusters!"[00:31:48] <Slingky> for sure ;-)[00:31:50] <jimpop> google just works.... no need to call them[00:37:43] <Slingky> do you think enable verbose postfix logs may help me[00:37:54] <Slingky> there was nothing changed on the exchange server side[00:38:22] <Slingky> I just want to find the solution[00:38:43] <tharkun> Did you change anything on the postfix side?[00:39:13] <Slingky> no[00:39:26] <tharkun> Then why do you assume that the trouble is there?[00:39:35] <Slingky> I 'm pretty sure it's not postfix but would like to find an answer[00:39:50] <Slingky> maybe more diagnostic on postfix side might help me[00:40:03] <adaptr> Slingky: did you read the factoid I pasted earlier ?[00:40:33] <Slingky> are you talking about telnet ?[00:40:34] <rob0> The only thing relevant in verbose logs would be the line, "timed out while sending end of data".[00:40:38] <Slingky> sorry[00:40:47] <Slingky> relevent logs[00:40:52] <adaptr> no, no verbose logs[00:41:01] <adaptr> logs that show there is a postfix problem[00:41:08] <Slingky> for now, I think I checked /var/log/mail.log[00:41:13] <adaptr> if the logs only repeat the timeout message, then it is not a postfix problem[00:42:01] * tharkun bets a coke and a hamburger that it is indeed ms firewall related[00:42:03] <Slingky> it doesn't seem to be the queue cause local and other remote domains get delivered[00:42:15] <adaptr> Slingky: you're not listening[00:42:16] <rob0> Tree. Wrong. Woof, woof![00:42:54] <adaptr> down, boy[00:42:58] <Slingky> sorry[00:43:07] <Slingky> english is not my primary language[00:43:13] <adaptr> !logs[00:43:14] <knoba> adaptr: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung[00:43:14] <Slingky> and thanks for trying to help me[00:43:18] <jimpop> Slingky: disable Windows firewall and try again[00:43:31] <adaptr> oh that would be bad[00:43:57] <Slingky> I never use windows firewall, I know it's pure crap[00:43:57] <jimpop> but not for postfix[00:44:18] <Slingky> the only firewall is inside the netgear router, at least if we can call it that way[00:44:38] <Slingky> Like I told you, It was running for months that way[00:44:53] <Slingky> I just got the timed out while sending end of data[00:44:56] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[00:44:57] <Slingky> since the week-end[00:45:28] * jimpop times out on the weekends[00:46:04] <adaptr> Slingky: you're not telling us something we don't kow, and we can't help you fix your router[00:46:11] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[00:46:22] <thumbs> adaptr: help me fix your router! It's broken![00:46:43] <adaptr> no it isn't, that's just the ipv6 messing with your head[00:46:55] <Slingky> !no_logs[00:46:55] <knoba> Slingky: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[00:47:20] <rob0> It could also be MSexChange at fault. Or Windows OS.[00:47:28] <adaptr> it "could" ?[00:47:30] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[00:47:33] <adaptr> wow, have you grown tame[00:47:33] <Slingky> !verbose[00:47:33] <knoba> Slingky: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.[00:47:50] <adaptr> Slingky: you can msg the bot if you need to go through every single factoid[00:48:04] <rob0> or, see the URL in /topic[00:48:23] <adaptr> rob0: where is the /topic ?[00:49:16] <rob0> Slingky, sorry about the oblique reference to "barking up the wrong tree". It means that you will not find your answer by messing around with Postfix.[00:49:46] <Slingky> rob0 : it's ok but I have to fix this[00:49:52] <adaptr> Slingky: and ?[00:49:58] <Slingky> there is my postconf -n : http://pastebin.com/z2hdCheM[00:50:02] <adaptr> was something we saidunclear ?[00:50:11] <adaptr> Slingky: YOU DO NOT HAVE A POSTFIX PROBLEM[00:50:13] <rob0> Microsoft and/or some router between Postfix and MSexChange.[00:50:29] <adaptr> at least, THIS is not a postfix problem[00:51:09] <Slingky> I understand but I'm trying to find a way out[00:51:48] <rob0> tcpdump *might* find a clue[00:52:25] <adaptr> Slingky: so check for any firewall between postfix and mSexchange[00:52:33] <adaptr> Slingky: before asking any more questions[00:52:40] <rob0> (But probably not if Windows or MSexChange is doing something stupid.)[00:52:58] <adaptr> rob0: traceroute may be useful, but nothing else will help at this point[00:53:15] <thumbs> s/traceroute/tracert/ for windows[00:53:25] <adaptr> he needs to run it from postfix[00:53:45] <Slingky> ok, like I told you, the only firewall is the one inside the WNDR3700 Netgear router[00:54:05] <rob0> Wietse will help with issues like this if posted on the mailing list. You can google it, but not likely to turn up anything relevant to your mess.[00:54:06] <Slingky> and there is no new firmware[00:54:06] <adaptr> Slingky: you have 2 options: A. do as we suggest, or B. look elsewhere for advice.[00:54:29] <Slingky> any help is welcome[00:54:32] <adaptr> sigh... did you try rebooting the router[00:54:33] <Slingky> I really appreciate[00:54:46] <Slingky> soft reboot cause I'm far away[00:54:52] <adaptr> Slingky: I *told8 you what you should do. if basic networking is beyond yoru skillset, ask somebody to do it for you.[00:55:27] <thumbs> umm, where's Corey?[00:56:17] <Slingky> I will try to uninstall/reinstall smtp service[00:56:21] <Slingky> on exchange box[00:56:37] <adaptr> wow[00:56:45] <adaptr> a WIndows solution if ever I saw one[00:56:55] <adaptr> Slingky: WHAT the FUCK makes you think that will do ANYTHING[00:57:08] * adaptr grabs for the !why button[00:57:21] <jimpop> grab a valium instead....[00:57:22] <jimpop> ;-)[00:57:45] <adaptr> are you buying ? the pharamcy people look at me funny[00:58:00] <Slingky> adaptr, all was working correctly, it just STOPS[00:58:07] <Slingky> sorry STOPPED[00:58:12] <Slingky> this week-end[00:58:13] <thumbs> Slingky: find out what changed.[00:58:34] <jimpop> adaptr: you'd probably need to see a doctor before the pharmacist, at least here you do.[00:58:50] <jimpop> Slingky: have you tried rebooting the windows box?[00:59:11] <Slingky> yes[00:59:32] <jimpop> Slingky: ok, try rebooting the netgear next[01:00:49] <adaptr> effing clueless... giving up now[01:01:12] *** menageapost has quit IRC[01:09:18] *** higuita has quit IRC[01:09:28] *** higuita has joined #postfix[01:29:53] <standon> ah[01:29:57] <standon> so much anger in here today. :)[01:37:24] <Slingky> I found something[01:37:31] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[01:37:39] <Slingky> some VERB commands are broken on smtp service of exchange server[01:38:06] <jimpop> VERB?[01:39:12] <rob0> like NOUN but names an action rather than a place or a thing.[01:39:20] <rob0> yw[01:42:09] <jimpop> ha[01:54:30] *** Franklin has quit IRC[01:58:30] *** jfried has quit IRC[02:09:41] *** runev has quit IRC[02:09:45] *** runev has joined #postfix[02:10:29] *** Jaac has quit IRC[02:16:41] *** Jaac has joined #postfix[02:18:14] *** gratnam11 has joined #postfix[02:18:49] *** gratnam11 has left #postfix[02:36:59] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[02:52:49] <thumbs> Corey: care to handle mathezula, please?[02:52:59] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[03:06:55] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:11:03] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:11:27] *** _Tassadar has quit IRC[03:17:27] *** byronb has joined #postfix[03:33:22] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[03:45:13] *** BuenGenio has quit IRC[03:48:06] *** byronb has quit IRC[03:49:13] *** k-man has left #postfix[03:51:49] *** Verilium has quit IRC[03:56:41] *** _Slingky has joined #postfix[03:56:41] *** Slingky has quit IRC[04:00:51] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[04:01:45] *** ujjain is now known as 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as Timzzzz[10:05:11] <shal3r> Is there any way to skip filtering if content filter is down?[10:06:26] *** Katibe has quit IRC[10:08:35] <UQlev> shal3r: why it should be down?[10:08:55] *** Katibe has joined #postfix[10:10:34] <shal3r> UQlev, it shouldn't, but sometimes things just happen :)[10:14:36] *** Katibe has quit IRC[10:21:25] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[10:23:55] *** Rado has joined #postfix[10:26:55] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[10:27:02] *** knoba has quit IRC[10:27:08] *** knoba has joined #postfix[10:28:47] *** knoba has quit IRC[10:28:54] *** knoba has joined #postfix[10:30:47] *** knoba has quit IRC[10:30:54] *** knoba has joined #postfix[10:32:40] *** knoba` has quit IRC[10:33:43] *** fraff_ is now known as fraff[10:44:23] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[10:46:55] *** UQlev has quit IRC[10:47:23] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[10:48:41] *** Motoko has quit IRC[11:06:59] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[11:08:07] <BuenGenio> is there any way to get postfix to drop duplicate emails after it resolves the aliases, in case an email is sent to an alias AND a user that belongs to that alias?[11:15:01] <BuenGenio> is it enable_original_recipient?[11:16:00] *** Katibe has joined #postfix[11:17:58] *** fraff has left #postfix[11:25:12] *** fOrsberg is now known as forsberg[11:29:56] *** milligan has quit IRC[11:30:29] *** milligan has joined #postfix[11:37:35] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:40:24] <f3ew> BuenGenio no[11:40:34] <BuenGenio> seems to work for me[11:41:02] <BuenGenio> sent a couple of emails to alias1@, alias2@, myself@, where I'm part of alias1@ & alias2@ and seems to work[11:42:16] *** breaker313 has quit IRC[11:42:17] <pj> what did you set it to?[11:42:24] *** breaker313 has joined #postfix[11:43:54] <BuenGenio> enable_original_recipient = no[11:44:02] <pj> ok, interesting[11:44:45] <pj> oh, I see how that would work[11:44:57] <Guest67131> zomg.. someone tries to convince me MX records are intended for incoming and outgoing mail.. e.g. .. he has three MX records, two with priority 10 (which accept email) and one with priority 20 (that one only sends email)... and the latter doesn't accept email... go figure[11:45:29] * pj shrugs, I guess it won't hurt[11:45:54] <pj> ...until his two priority 10 servers take a dive, heh[11:46:53] <pj> it could matter if he has an spf record with an "mx" token.[11:47:35] <pj> but there are better ways of dealing with that than designating mx records for sending-only servers (like fix your spf record).[11:48:43] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[11:50:28] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[11:50:32] <BuenGenio> <caps> still can't believe that one liner fixed the tons of duplicate emails I've been getting for the last 8 months! </caps>[11:50:35] <BuenGenio> !!!![11:50:36] <knoba> BuenGenio: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.[11:50:44] <pj> lol[11:50:52] <BuenGenio> !poolparty[11:50:52] <knoba> BuenGenio: Error: "poolparty" is not a valid command.[11:51:12] <BuenGenio> how do i see what knoba can do?[11:51:16] <BuenGenio> !help?[11:51:17] <knoba> BuenGenio: Error: "help?" is not a valid command.[11:51:18] <BuenGenio> !help[11:51:19] <knoba> BuenGenio: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.[11:51:24] <pj> !knoba[11:51:24] <knoba> pj: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[11:51:27] <BuenGenio> ah[11:51:30] <pj> BuenGenio: ^^^^^^^^^^^[11:52:05] <BuenGenio> !:)[11:52:05] <knoba> BuenGenio: ":)" : oh, you say that now![11:52:14] <pj> lol[11:57:30] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:57:37] <BuenGenio> Does Dr. Venema hang out here occasionally?[11:58:01] <pj> never seen him in here[11:58:25] <pj> he answers the mailing list, though.[12:02:13] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[12:03:57] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[12:05:45] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[12:13:40] *** cilly has quit IRC[12:36:13] *** BuenGenio has quit IRC[12:37:03] *** jeet2k124 has joined #postfix[12:38:04] *** semargl has joined #postfix[12:38:14] *** semargl has quit IRC[12:49:33] *** infinigod has quit IRC[13:00:34] *** krzie has quit IRC[13:01:06] *** cpm has joined #postfix[13:01:07] *** cpm has joined #postfix[13:01:12] *** krzie has joined #postfix[13:01:15] <jeet2k124> hi[13:01:41] <jeet2k124> im using postfix 2.7[13:01:54] <Aprogas> Grats.[13:02:17] <jeet2k124> im using -o smtpd_end_of_data_restrictions=check_recipient_access,proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/filtermap.cf[13:02:32] <jeet2k124> i get this in logs[13:02:35] <jeet2k124> May 31 10:37:57 postfix/smtpd[11963]: 28D85ED4C84: filter: END-OF-MESSAGE from X.X.X.X: <some at test dot com>: Recipient address triggers FILTER ob2-smtp2:; from=<source@manav,com> to=<dest at kow dot com> proto=ESMP[13:03:23] <Aprogas> That doesn't necessarily look like an error; but it is hard to judge without content.[13:03:23] <jeet2k124> the problem is i get the above message if there one recipient[13:03:27] <Aprogas> What are you trying to do anything?[13:03:35] <Aprogas> s/anything/anyway/[13:03:39] <Aprogas> I keep making that braino.[13:04:18] <jeet2k124> if i use multiple recipient i dont get that message..[13:05:22] <Aprogas> That is because how Postfix handles messages and queues. Before-queue multiple recipients aren't split yet, so you can take an action on the entire message or not, but you cannot treat the single message as multiple messages.[13:06:23] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:09:29] *** madduck__ has quit IRC[13:09:59] *** madduck has joined #postfix[13:10:03] *** Twinkletoes has joined #postfix[13:14:19] <jeet2k124> is there any work around for this ?[13:14:40] *** Maliel has quit IRC[13:16:42] *** Maliel has joined #postfix[13:21:20] <Aprogas> I think an after-queue filter can be made to run after address expansion is done.[13:28:13] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[13:28:20] <jeet2k124> ok thanks[13:28:27] <jeet2k124> will check it[13:29:06] <Aprogas> What are you filtering on anyway, and why use a filtermap in pgsql?[13:34:13] <jeet2k124> im using FILTER trasnportmap_defined_in_master.cf[13:34:24] <Aprogas> Why?[13:34:39] <Aprogas> !goal[13:34:39] <knoba> Aprogas: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[13:35:20] <jeet2k124> bcoz i want to use a specific ip while sending mails to a specific domain[13:36:03] <Aprogas> Not sure why you are using a content-filter for that.[13:36:24] <Aprogas> Can't you do it with a regular transport_maps ?[13:38:23] <jeet2k124> i tried it..but no luck[13:38:53] <Aprogas> Maybe you did it incorrectly.[13:39:15] <Aprogas> Are you sure you need to send out from multiple IP-addresses? Spammers do this, so you may be misinterpreted for a spammer.[13:40:45] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[13:41:01] <jeet2k124> yea.. i knw..i think i shud change it to check_sender_access so that specific set of domains uses a fixed dedicated ip[13:45:38] <Aprogas> You can override the default_transport based on sender addresses with:[13:45:44] <Aprogas> !sender_dependent_default_transport_maps[13:45:44] <knoba> Aprogas: "sender_dependent_default_transport_maps" : A sender-dependent override for the global default_transport parameter setting. The tables are searched by the envelope sender address and @domain. A lookup result of DUNNO terminates the search without overriding the global default_transport parameter setting. This information is overruled with the transport(5) table. Available from postfix 2.7[13:45:58] <Aprogas> transport_maps works on recipients/destinations not senders.[13:50:36] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[13:50:56] <jeet2k124> how do i apply after queue parameter for inet transport[13:50:58] <jeet2k124> 10025 inet n - n - 120 smtpd[13:51:20] <jeet2k124> 10025_destination_concurrency_limit = 60 in main.cf[13:51:26] <jeet2k124> will this work ?[13:52:21] *** Alagar has quit IRC[13:54:59] *** Ixnay has quit IRC[13:59:14] *** FunkyBob has joined #postfix[13:59:22] <FunkyBob> ok... now I'm confused...[13:59:40] <FunkyBob> working from configs I have working on other serves... I've set up a new server[13:59:57] <FunkyBob> can't seem to convince it to not reject with "relaying denied"[14:00:21] <FunkyBob> domain name is in virtual_mailbox_domains and not elsewhere[14:02:34] *** Deathvalley122 has quit IRC[14:05:44] *** FunkyBob has left #postfix[14:06:43] *** Deathval- has joined #postfix[14:11:54] *** Cain` has joined #postfix[14:12:35] *** Belial_ has joined #postfix[14:12:56] <cpm> !relay[14:12:57] <knoba> cpm: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.[14:13:33] <pj> jeet2k124: 10025 inet n - n - 120 smtpd -o destination_concurrency_limit=60[14:13:45] <pj> in master.cf[14:14:06] *** Cain has quit IRC[14:14:07] *** Cain` is now known as Cain[14:15:12] <pj> !relay_denied[14:15:12] <knoba> pj: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[14:17:06] *** Belial_ has quit IRC[14:17:49] <Twinkletoes> In the address rewriting readme, it says (of the Local alias database)... "The table can also be used to map "Firstname.Lastname" addresses to login names.". I can't see how to specify that in the aliases file. Basically, I want all mail sent as "root", to be changed to a friendly name, so I can identify the machine better, without editing /etc/passwd[14:22:00] *** Deathval- has quit IRC[14:22:22] *** TomHome has quit IRC[14:24:13] *** Deathvalley122 has joined #postfix[14:25:26] <jeet2k124> pj: 10025 inet n - n - 120 smtpd -o destination_concurrency_limit=60[14:25:34] <jeet2k124> is this after queue ?[14:26:11] *** negev has joined #postfix[14:26:40] <Aprogas> 60 sounds high[14:26:57] <Aprogas> I think destination_concurrency_limit is a parameter for smtp not smtpd.[14:27:09] <negev> hi, i've bounced mail for www-data through to meself so that if emails generated on our websites can't be sent they bounce back to me. however, postfix only includes the message headers rather than the message itself. is there a way i can make it include the full message in the ndr?[14:28:49] <Aprogas> negev: How do you "bounce back" to yourself specifically? How did you set that up?[14:29:18] *** Belial_ has joined #postfix[14:29:41] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[14:29:42] <rob0> Twinkletoes: aliases(5) is about recipients, not about senders. Configure whatever you have sending mail as root to use a different sender address.[14:29:42] *** beginer has quit IRC[14:30:15] <Twinkletoes> rob0: Things like cron etc...?[14:30:42] <negev> Aprogas: an entry in /etc/aliases pointing postmaster to my email address[14:31:09] <negev> sorry for my bad expression, my brain is quite fuzzy today for some reason[14:31:20] <Aprogas> negev: How does that catch mail for www-data ?[14:31:21] <Twinkletoes> rob0: To make it easy for the different packages that mail as root, is it ok to use canonical_maps, or is that frowned upon?[14:31:21] <rob0> negev: www-data != postmaster[14:32:26] <negev> well if it can't deliver an email from one of the websites, the bounceback goes to postmaster[14:32:42] <rob0> Twinkletoes is working hard to solve a non-problem, IMO. Why do you care if your cron mail is from root?[14:33:07] <Twinkletoes> rob0: I have lots of machines that all send mail as "root" and I'd like to distinguish between them[14:33:20] <Twinkletoes> rob0: Perhaps I should edit /etc/passwd?[14:34:05] <rob0> negev, not so. Maybe you're getting the postmaster's notification, but the original bounce goes to the envelope sender, www-data.[14:34:07] *** verywiseman has joined #postfix[14:34:29] <negev> hmmm i see[14:35:10] *** cpm has quit IRC[14:35:12] <verywiseman> when i send mail from my mail server to gmail,hotmail this log appear "refused to talk to me: 554 OutgoingFilter "You are temporarily deferred due to sending spam or virus please contact 16333 for more information")" why?[14:35:36] <rob0> !tell Twinkletoes myorigin[14:35:36] <knoba> Twinkletoes: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.[14:35:41] <rob0> !tell Twinkletoes basic[14:35:42] <knoba> Twinkletoes: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[14:35:46] <Twinkletoes> verywiseman: the clue is in the message... please contact 16333 for more information[14:35:51] <Twinkletoes> rob0: Thank you[14:36:15] <rob0> !dam[14:36:15] <knoba> rob0: "dam" : don't ask me why someone else's server isn't accepting your mail. if your hotel key card wasn't letting you into your room, would you go around asking other guests why? if you can't figure out who you should ask, then see the !duh factoid[14:40:35] <cite> !duh[14:40:35] <knoba> cite: "duh" : here's an idea - why not ask the person running the mailserver why it's doing what it's doing?[14:41:50] <rob0> afternoon cite[14:42:00] *** sugar_skymeyer has quit IRC[14:43:44] *** cpm has joined #postfix[14:43:51] *** BuenGenio has quit IRC[14:51:24] *** Shuro__ is now known as Shuro[14:51:55] *** Shuro has quit IRC[14:52:03] *** Shuro has joined #postfix[14:52:36] *** ncode has joined #postfix[14:52:36] *** ncode has joined #postfix[14:55:48] *** ujjain|afk is now known as ujjain[14:56:12] *** Shuro has quit IRC[14:56:45] *** Shuro__ has joined #postfix[14:57:03] *** Shuro__ has quit IRC[14:57:04] *** forsberg is now known as fOrsberg[14:57:38] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[15:00:29] <jelly> can I add "X-Originating-IP: remote-smtp-client-ip-here" using just Postfix?[15:00:49] *** Shuro__ has joined #postfix[15:04:15] *** Shuro__ has quit IRC[15:04:46] *** Shuro__ has joined #postfix[15:07:55] <jimpop> jelly: yes. but i don't recall the google result that detailed how to do it[15:08:50] *** Belial_ has quit IRC[15:08:59] <jimpop> look, here it is http://www.nucleardonkey.net/blog/2007/06/add_xoriginatingip_header_in_p.html[15:09:07] <jimpop> took me less than 1 min[15:10:10] <Aprogas> negev: You are probably seeing double-bounces.[15:10:41] <Aprogas> Which probably means your system is bouncing bounces sent to www-data.[15:11:02] <Aprogas> If you use an address as sender, you should really make sure any mails to that address go somewhere.[15:11:21] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[15:11:52] <Aprogas> For www-data and automated mailings, you might want to deliver mail to www-data (probably bounces) to some bounce-handler.[15:14:26] <jelly> jimpop: that's not really a good way to do it, since postfix itself knows the client ip somewhere[15:14:45] <jimpop> jelly: ok, find a better way[15:14:56] <jelly> jimpop: that's what I'm asking about![15:15:18] <jimpop> jelly: and i gave you the answer, and apparently you didn't like it.[15:16:39] *** iamchrisf has joined #postfix[15:18:09] <jelly> well, I guess I should have said that I found that answer already and wanted to know if it could be done in a cleaner way; the information is obviously present since it can be fed eg. to content_filter using XFORWARD[15:19:19] <jimpop> jelly: just add append_x_original_ip_header = yes to your main.cf[15:23:30] *** pj has quit IRC[15:35:31] *** Shuro__ has quit IRC[15:35:56] *** a___l has joined #postfix[15:37:11] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[15:38:54] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[15:39:14] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[15:40:34] *** BuenGenio has quit IRC[15:40:52] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[15:42:32] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:47:11] *** Belial_ has joined #postfix[15:47:13] *** weedar has quit IRC[16:00:46] <Twinkletoes> Due to an incorrect config, some of my mail has been delivered to mbox rather than Maildir. Is there a way to make it end up in maildir?[16:01:02] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[16:04:06] *** slune has quit IRC[16:04:24] *** Lenhix has joined #postfix[16:04:32] <lunaphyte_> sure. fix the config.[16:04:50] <lunaphyte_> then from that point on, mail will be delivered in maildir format.[16:04:54] <Twinkletoes> lunaphyte_: Don't worry, config is now fixed[16:05:02] <lunaphyte_> oh, cool. so then you're all set.[16:05:06] <Twinkletoes> lunaphyte_: Looking at mb2md now though[16:05:46] <Twinkletoes> lunaphyte_: I don't think you understood my question though... move the incorrectly delivered stuff back to the right place... mb2md seems to be the answer[16:05:57] <lunaphyte_> oh, i see.[16:06:08] * Twinkletoes ruffles lunaphyte_'s hair playfully[16:06:27] <lunaphyte_> your question was really "how can i convert an mbox mailbox to a maildir mailbox?"[16:06:49] <Twinkletoes> lunaphyte_: Yeah - you're so much more eloquent than I am[16:06:53] <Twinkletoes> :)[16:07:18] <lunaphyte_> well, i wouldn't go that far, but i am anal.[16:07:38] <lunaphyte_> anyway, there are a number of utilities for this purpose, one of which it appears you've found.[16:09:45] *** ack_syn has joined #postfix[16:09:55] <ack_syn> is it truth that postfix queue is first in first out?[16:10:05] <ack_syn> I could not look this information easily[16:10:45] *** f3ew has quit IRC[16:11:38] <sysmonk> false[16:11:53] <ack_syn> I mean to delivery (send) an email[16:12:10] <ack_syn> sysmonk: right, how does it work? I could not find easily the documentation[16:13:28] <sysmonk> ack_syn: read qmgr(8), the STRATEGIES part[16:13:43] <ack_syn> ok[16:13:45] <ack_syn> ty[16:14:10] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:14:19] *** failure has quit IRC[16:14:20] <ack_syn> * to deliver[16:14:26] *** failure has joined #postfix[16:15:57] *** dp has joined #postfix[16:16:33] <dp> is there a way to configure postfix, such that it will send an email to a specific address whenever a connection is made with a HELO that has a host not found error?[16:17:29] *** jeet2k124 has quit IRC[16:18:05] *** jeet2k124 has joined #postfix[16:18:20] *** war9407 has quit IRC[16:19:09] *** jeet2k124 has quit IRC[16:21:51] *** Shuro has joined #postfix[16:23:18] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[16:24:54] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[16:28:43] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[16:39:42] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[16:41:53] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:44:48] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[16:46:09] *** jimi_ has joined #postfix[16:46:24] <jimi_> Which RFC outlines the maximum number of addresses that can be present in a To: or CC: field?[16:50:11] *** ack_syn has left #postfix[16:51:30] <jimi_> !debug[16:51:31] <knoba> jimi_: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[16:51:33] <jimi_> !rfc[16:51:33] <knoba> jimi_: Error: "rfc" is not a valid command.[16:59:08] *** Meskalyn has quit IRC[16:59:34] *** Meskalyn_ has joined #postfix[16:59:39] *** Meskalyn_ is now known as Meskalyn[17:00:45] *** lletelier_ has joined #postfix[17:02:42] *** lletelier_ has quit IRC[17:03:57] *** 5EXACQA3N has joined #postfix[17:05:58] *** vn_ is now known as vn[17:06:45] *** daguz has joined #postfix[17:07:00] *** vn has left #postfix[17:08:18] *** Jaac has quit IRC[17:08:33] *** a___l has quit IRC[17:13:23] *** UQlev has quit IRC[17:13:28] *** breaker313 has quit IRC[17:15:31] *** kenyon has quit IRC[17:15:40] *** Lujeni has quit IRC[17:17:37] *** kenyon has joined #postfix[17:19:43] *** BuenGenio_ has joined #postfix[17:20:02] *** BuenGenio has quit IRC[17:28:47] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[17:36:14] *** war9407 has quit IRC[17:40:23] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:42:10] *** zerobravo76 has quit IRC[17:42:11] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:42:11] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:43:57] *** daguz has quit IRC[17:45:43] *** zerobravo76 has joined #postfix[17:48:43] *** verywiseman has quit IRC[17:54:20] *** Belial_ has quit IRC[17:57:12] *** jujugre has left #postfix[18:01:22] *** Lujeni has joined #postfix[18:04:34] *** e-anima has quit IRC[18:04:49] <dp> a setting was changed on our mail server so that a DNS lookup is performed on the HELO line of incoming connections. can someone tell me what that setting might be?[18:04:57] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[18:05:14] <f3ew> postconf -n | grep helo[18:05:51] <dp> smtpd_helo_required = yes[18:05:52] <dp> ?[18:06:12] <cpm> that would be the setting[18:06:41] <f3ew> no[18:06:52] <f3ew> that's just a HELO/EHLO needed[18:07:03] <lunaphyte_> it depends.[18:07:06] <f3ew> It would be in smtpd_mumble_restrictions[18:07:21] <lunaphyte_> show data as specified in the channel /topic, and we'll tell you which setting is doing that.[18:07:44] <rob0> And it could even be in an -o override setting in master.cf, as well.[18:08:12] <f3ew> Or even a policy daemon[18:08:24] <dp> http://pastebin.com/hCr67qyA -- that's what I'm seeing from postconf -n. this is a zimbra box, if it matters[18:08:46] <lunaphyte_> maybe someone is watching the logs, and then running dig commands for the helo strings that appear![18:08:47] <cpm> I misread the question[18:10:44] <f3ew> !reject_unknown_hostname[18:10:45] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "reject_unknown_hostname" is not a valid command.[18:11:48] <f3ew> that's your culprit, btw[18:12:04] <f3ew> It's been renamed to reject_unknown_helo_hostname[18:12:09] <rob0> Ah, using obsolete syntax.[18:12:22] <f3ew> Or an older version[18:12:41] <dp> the documentation suggests that's part of smtpd_helo_restrictions[18:13:06] <rob0> reject_unknown_helo_hostname is not safe/conservative. It is very aggressive, and will block lots of misconfigured (yet otherwise legitimate) sites.[18:13:27] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:14:04] <rob0> reject_unknown_client (reject_unknown_client_hostname is the new syntax) is similar in effect.[18:14:55] <dp> rob0: but isn't disabling it just "suggesting" that misconfigured sites are ok?[18:15:54] <rob0> That's a choice for you to make. My choice was to minimize loss of real mail.[18:16:18] <dp> it would be nice if there was a way to log the fact that it[18:16:25] <dp> 's misconfigured, but still send the mail[18:16:44] *** hever has quit IRC[18:16:51] <rob0> postconf.5.html#warn_if_reject[18:16:58] <rob0> !warn_if_reject[18:16:59] <knoba> rob0: "warn_if_reject" : a parameter that means: Change the meaning of the next restriction, so that it logs a warning instead of rejecting a request (look for logfile records that contain "reject_warning"). This is useful for testing new restrictions in a "live" environment without risking unnecessary loss of mail.[18:17:13] <lunaphyte_> ♫Oh oh oh i don't need permission Make my own decisions oh That's my prerogative ♫[18:18:04] <dp> so I could do smtpd_client_restrictions = warn_if_reject, reject_unknown_helo_hostname, reject_unknown_client_hostname ?[18:18:06] <seekwill> ?????[18:18:44] <f3ew> yes[18:18:59] <dp> and it only warns on the item immediately following, correct?[18:19:16] <rob0> THE NEXT restriction, yes.[18:19:19] <dp> k[18:22:24] *** googlah has joined #postfix[18:26:25] *** roe has joined #postfix[18:26:34] *** roe has joined #postfix[18:37:10] *** plee has quit IRC[18:40:52] *** cilly has quit IRC[18:48:37] *** Lujeni has quit IRC[18:49:19] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:49:58] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:52:37] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[18:53:41] *** ced117 has quit IRC[19:14:00] *** vishwa has joined #postfix[19:21:15] *** hever has joined #postfix[19:24:19] *** krzie has quit IRC[19:27:46] *** mehwork has quit IRC[19:29:43] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:34:10] *** athemiya has joined #postfix[19:36:30] <athemiya> postconf -n and mail.log both here {http://pastebin.com/5HHX0irH}[19:37:59] *** skymeyer has joined #postfix[19:38:33] *** skymeyer is now known as sugar_skymeyer[19:38:50] <athemiya> incoming emails into postfix are being rejected with a relay access denied. Scenario is: emails come from domain1, postfix is on a server on domain2. It doesnt seems to like anything from domain1.[19:39:23] *** loddafnir1 has joined #postfix[19:40:55] <athemiya> Is anyone free at all?[19:41:36] <athemiya> !debug[19:41:37] <knoba> athemiya: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[19:42:47] <seekwill> The postconf is from what server?[19:43:05] <athemiya> the postfix server, domain2[19:43:25] *** vishwa has quit IRC[19:43:30] <seekwill> What line in the postconf says it should trust domain1?[19:43:53] *** vishwa has joined #postfix[19:44:26] <athemiya> Well I took lots of domains out of mydestination -mainly because I kept getting relay access denied all the time.[19:45:33] <seekwill> You should trust based on IP address or auth (username/password)[19:45:42] <seekwill> or both![19:46:19] <athemiya> So may be if I were to add in the IP of the other domain, would postfix accept the incoming emails? All my other variables and settings seem to be happy[19:47:10] *** Cerise_ has joined #postfix[19:47:17] <sysmonk> athemiya: 1. it should be postconf -n and not cat main.cf 2. the log file is not full, we don't see some line endings[19:47:32] <athemiya> sorry -Ill post the entire thing[19:47:46] <sysmonk> noqueue reject ... .... @ussu.suss$$ <- that's not a correct line ending[19:50:31] *** r-c-e has joined #postfix[19:51:38] <sysmonk> takes a long time to re-post[19:51:42] <sysmonk> i don't have that much time[19:52:44] <athemiya> Please accept my apologies - full log now at { http://pastebin.com/8FPjvems }[19:53:14] <athemiya> Thanks for taking the time to look at the log....[19:54:21] <sysmonk> you didn't understand the postconf -n part?[19:54:45] *** meisth0th has joined #postfix[19:55:16] <sysmonk> athemiya: show: potconf parent_domain_matches_subdomains[19:56:20] <athemiya> Apologies: http://pastebin.com/LzdJiAD9[19:56:41] <athemiya> thats a postconf -n paste at the top[19:56:56] <sysmonk> yeah, i can see[19:57:13] <sysmonk> show what does 'postconf parent_domain_matches_subdomains' return[19:57:47] <athemiya> debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks,qmqpd_authorized_clients,smtpd_access_maps[19:58:05] <sysmonk> athemiya: what do you want to achieve?[19:58:21] <sysmonk> you want your postfix to relay all emails for sussex.ac.uk ?[19:58:26] <sysmonk> from anywhere in the world?[19:58:35] <seekwill> :)[19:58:43] <sysmonk> or do you want your postfix server to relay email from ONE server only ?[19:59:16] <athemiya> That Postfix receives emails from only @sussex.ac.uk and @ussu.sussex.ac.uk and then puts them in the queues I already have and is also able to send back to those email addresses[19:59:21] <sysmonk> (the 'fix' depends on how you want it to work)[19:59:48] <sysmonk> athemiya: from any server right?[20:00:13] <athemiya> Yes, anyone that sends from those domains[20:00:19] <sysmonk> then there's two fixes, 1. add .sussex.ac.uk to your relay_domains (note the FIRST dot )[20:00:36] *** mitchlovin has quit IRC[20:00:38] <sysmonk> or 2. add relay_domains to the parent_domain_matches_subdomains configuration[20:00:45] *** Cerise_ is now known as cerise[20:00:49] <seekwill> I don't think you really want that[20:00:57] <sysmonk> i.e. parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks,qmqpd_authorized_clients,smtpd_access_maps,relay_domains[20:01:46] <athemiya> Sysmonk: OK, I can add the line into relay_domains, but how would you advise to add the parent_domain_matches_subdomains line?[20:01:58] <sysmonk> well, sorry, relay_domains = ussu.sussex.ac.uk, sussex.ac.uk[20:02:10] <sysmonk> as you only want two domains[20:02:26] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[20:02:29] <sysmonk> so the relay_domains = ussu.sussex.ac.uk, sussex.ac.uk would be a better 'fix'[20:02:41] <sysmonk> athemiya: only add the relay_domains line[20:03:00] <sysmonk> ignore the parent_domain_matches_subdomain, somehow i thought you want to relay any *.sussex.ac.uk domain[20:03:04] <athemiya> sysmonk: OK, thanks I shall try it now[20:03:05] <sysmonk> but then i re-read what you want :)[20:04:15] <athemiya> I added the line and restarted postfix and get a permanent email error - { http://pastebin.com/9zALp2gh }[20:05:17] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[20:05:40] *** loddafnir1 has quit IRC[20:05:48] <r-c-e> Hi guys[20:05:48] *** Deathvalley122 has quit IRC[20:06:06] <r-c-e> I'm having an issue with virtual user maps, I think its tied into $myorigin[20:06:15] <r-c-e> pastebin: http://pastebin.com/CZiD6UuT[20:06:18] *** meisth0th has left #postfix[20:06:40] <r-c-e> virtual user map works if I specify an external email address as the recipient (i have aded maillog output at the bottom of the pastebin)[20:06:51] <r-c-e> but when trying to deliver to catchall which is a local user[20:06:54] <r-c-e> i get rejected[20:07:02] <r-c-e> thats also in the pastebin[20:07:35] <r-c-e> it appears its expending the virtual user map to use myorigin, and not finding the user listed, and rejecting[20:07:40] <r-c-e> myorigin is currently the hostname of the server[20:07:43] *** Deathvalley122 has joined #postfix[20:08:39] <r-c-e> any help is greatly appreciated guys[20:10:41] *** dp has left #postfix[20:11:18] <athemiya> sysmonk: It's strange as the error is just coming back as permanent with no further clues[20:12:39] <sysmonk> athemiya: it gets looped[20:12:51] *** Gatto has quit IRC[20:12:55] <sysmonk> athemiya: who is smtp.sussex.ac.uk ?[20:13:16] <athemiya> Thats the server I use to authenticate with using details saved in sasl_passwd and sasl_passwd.db[20:13:38] <athemiya> its basically the SMTP server used to authenticate with[20:13:42] <sysmonk> athemiya: show the log[20:13:43] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:13:55] <athemiya> sysmonk: mail.log?[20:14:08] <sysmonk> yes, after you've changed the relay_domains[20:14:21] *** _Tassadar has joined #postfix[20:14:43] <sysmonk> athemiya: no need[20:14:53] <sysmonk> athemiya: the smtp server lynndie.uscs.susx.ac.uk just sens the email again to your server[20:16:25] <athemiya> OK, I think I have missed explaining something here. An email such as: rt-su-activities at ussu dot sussex.ac.uk is an alias and gets redirected to the postfix server. The postfix server then sees this email and routes it into RT (request tracker) using the /etc/aliases file (and is working successfully). So, when I send an email to 'rt-su-activities' this is when I'm getting the errors.[20:17:39] <sysmonk> and why do you need it relayed to smtp.sussex.ac.uk then?[20:18:08] <athemiya> I believed that smtp.sussex.ac.uk was necessary to state as I have authentication with SMTP[20:18:19] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[20:18:47] <sysmonk> do you NEED to relay the email to there?[20:18:55] <sysmonk> cause now i understand that you don't[20:18:59] <athemiya> sysmonk: so actually I don't need to specify this in relayhost?[20:19:22] <athemiya> Oh, well no? I dont need to relay there at all. Im only using SMTP authentication when the server sends email out[20:19:39] <sysmonk> doh[20:19:52] <sysmonk> and are all email of ussu.sussex.ac.uk on postfix server?[20:19:59] <sysmonk> or are there any other on some different server?[20:20:13] <athemiya> All emails from @ussu are from a different server[20:20:14] <sysmonk> if they are all on postfix, then you don't need it in relayhost[20:20:20] <sysmonk> just add it to mydestination[20:20:21] <sysmonk> and that's all[20:20:26] <sysmonk> not FROM but TO :)[20:20:38] <sysmonk> anyway, remove it from relayhosts and add it to mydestination[20:20:41] <sysmonk> that should fix it[20:20:46] <sysmonk> i'm away now, bye[20:21:03] <athemiya> So in mydestination, should I put both ussu.sussex.ac.uk and sussex.ac.uk and then delete the line relayhosts?[20:21:04] *** Maliel has quit IRC[20:21:38] *** Maliel has joined #postfix[20:21:39] *** _Tassadar has quit IRC[20:26:32] *** kaos has joined #postfix[20:32:32] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[20:39:56] <athemiya> Sysmonk: OK the relay access denied thing has now been resolved, but I'm getting a lot of unknown users when postfix trys to send an email out[20:40:59] <seekwill> Ouch... Kohler has some spam issues :)[20:41:13] <athemiya> pastebin of the latest mail.log: { http://pastebin.com/Hubj71GZ }[20:41:16] <seekwill> Looks like they got compromised[20:44:50] <jimpop> *yawn*[20:50:59] *** _TheAvatar is now known as TheAvatar[20:52:04] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[20:54:09] <athemiya> sysmonk: the logs show that as the email is considered local and it cannot find an account for an email in the format "someone" at ussu dot sussex.ac.uk -it therefore does not send one out[20:56:10] *** BuenGenio_ has quit IRC[20:57:10] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[20:57:29] *** cpm has quit IRC[20:58:10] <jelly> looks typical of a web app exploit leaving a mail bot running as the apache user (in case of Debian and derivatives, www-data user)[20:58:15] <r-c-e> hi there[20:58:20] <r-c-e> if anyone has a moment[20:58:34] <r-c-e> http://pastebin.com/CZiD6UuT[20:58:49] <r-c-e> having some isues with virtual user table, i think its linked to $myorigin[21:04:10] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[21:05:54] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[21:06:40] *** hever has quit IRC[21:10:03] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[21:14:57] <adaptr> !tell r-c-e virtual[21:14:57] <knoba> r-c-e: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[21:20:10] <jimpop> r-c-e: looks like you don't have virtual_alias_domains defined[21:20:26] <r-c-e> virtual file should be able to map an email address to a unix account though[21:20:32] <r-c-e> i've done it before, years ago[21:20:44] <r-c-e> virtual_alias_domains can also be defined in the virtual file though I think?[21:20:49] <r-c-e> its finding the user[21:21:15] <r-c-e> May 31 14:00:08 localhost postfix/smtpd[21864]: maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: hash:/etc/postfix/virtual(0,lock|fold_fix): @comomegustan.com = comomegustan[21:21:20] <r-c-e> thats from debug_peer being on[21:22:18] *** roe has quit IRC[21:23:54] <r-c-e> i'm following this out of the README you sent[21:23:54] <r-c-e> http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_alias[21:24:03] <r-c-e> Postfix virtual ALIAS example: separate domains, UNIX system accounts[21:25:07] <adaptr> never specify an unqualified address in an alias file[21:26:11] <jimpop> r-c-e: did you read that link that you just sent 3 lines above?[21:26:37] <jimpop> r-c-e: read what it says under bullet point "Line 2"[21:26:47] <rob0> A common assumption is that a bare username goes to a UNIX system account/alias of that name. It's not so.[21:26:55] <rob0> !myorigin[21:26:56] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.[21:27:05] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin[21:27:06] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : Append the string"@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information. WARNING: do not change this without understanding what it means, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#append_at_myorigin[21:27:37] <jimpop> r-c-e: also, test2@ from the logs does not appear to be defined in virtual[21:28:00] <adaptr> it doesn't have to be[21:28:07] <adaptr> it's a catchall question[21:28:14] * adaptr lost interest around 5 minutes ago[21:28:53] <jimpop> k[21:29:48] <rob0> If myorigin is in mydestination (by default it is), that assumption is valid.[21:30:06] <sysmonk> athemiya: didn't you say that you have them all in alias file?[21:30:28] <rob0> Changing mydestination and/or myorigin changes things. Imagine that![21:30:46] <adaptr> rob0: setting mydestination changes it. this is what most people fail to realize[21:30:48] <sysmonk> athemiya: sorry but you don't describe your situation very good so i'm not sure WHAT exactly you want to do. you wanted to deliver them through aliases that you have but you now say there no aliases (no such user) on the system[21:31:02] <sysmonk> you said you want to relay it, but now then you say you don't[21:31:18] <sysmonk> describe how it should work, and anyone out here will be able to help you.[21:31:48] <jimpop> mydestination seems correct in what r-c-e posted[21:32:49] <r-c-e> knoba trying append_at_myorigin now[21:32:53] <adaptr> it's irrelevantr. all his problems can be solved by adding a fucking local domain, but instead we get reams and reams of irrelevant.[21:33:14] <jimpop> adding a f'ing local domain where ?[21:33:17] <rob0> !tell r-c-e knoba[21:33:18] <knoba> r-c-e: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[21:33:36] <r-c-e> ahh yes sorry rob0 :)[21:33:40] <r-c-e> trying your suggestion now[21:33:52] <rob0> What exactly did I suggest?[21:34:02] <rob0> "WARNING: do not change this without understanding what it means, ..."[21:34:11] <adaptr> 21:27:38 adaptr | never specify an unqualified address in an alias file[21:34:22] <adaptr> nobody listens, meh[21:34:26] <rob0> What I would suggest is 19:36 < adaptr> 21:27:38 adaptr | never specify an unqualified address in an alias file[21:34:59] <r-c-e> ok, but according to the docs[21:35:08] <r-c-e> we should be able to put a local unix account into the virtual user table[21:35:15] <r-c-e> as per http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_alias[21:35:23] <jimpop> i fail to see why that wouldn't work for r-c-e but does work for me on the same distro[21:35:29] <rob0> The docs assume that myorigin is in mydestination (by default it is).[21:35:57] <r-c-e> ok[21:35:59] <jimpop> someone should fix the docs if there is a need[21:36:28] <rob0> It's not wrong, but it feeds this common wrong assumption.[21:36:44] <adaptr> r-c-e: no, the docs do not say that. if you got that from the docs you're reading them stupid.[21:36:48] <r-c-e> So I have[21:36:52] <r-c-e> mydestination = /etc/postfix/local-host-names[21:37:00] <adaptr> DO NOT us eunqalified addresses on the RHS of alias maps.[21:37:01] <r-c-e> (this is all stuff ubuntu did by default)[21:37:11] <adaptr> r-c-e: you're done. go do it.[21:37:12] <jimpop> where does it say to not have RHS unqualified addrs[21:37:31] <jimpop> which doc?[21:37:33] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[21:37:36] <adaptr> jimpop: show me one case where it is useful to omit the domain[21:37:36] <r-c-e> adaptr, it says right in the examples you can use non fqdn users[21:37:40] *** pj has joined #postfix[21:37:46] <adaptr> r-c-e: no, they're not "users"[21:37:53] <r-c-e> ok, unix system accounts[21:37:54] <adaptr> but I'm done with you.[21:37:55] <jimpop> adaptr: no need for one case, just look at all the examples[21:38:02] <rob0> You can, if you know what you're doing, or if you leave things at default settings.[21:38:08] <adaptr> jimpop: show me one case where it is USEFUL[21:38:14] <r-c-e> my case? :)[21:38:27] <r-c-e> my client wants specific domains to be forwarded to specific unix users on the server[21:38:31] <jimpop> adaptr: show me one case where it isn't useful (i can play this game all day with you)[21:38:37] <r-c-e> I'm following this adatpr[21:38:42] <jimpop> show me the docs[21:38:42] <r-c-e> adaptr*[21:38:44] <r-c-e> Postfix virtual ALIAS example: separate domains, UNIX system accounts[21:38:49] <rob0> Just. Use. User@domain. (where "domain" is in mydestination!)[21:38:51] <r-c-e> right in postfix.org documentation[21:39:08] <adaptr> unqualified addresses are by nature ambiguous. poeple who complain about unexpected behaviour need to use qualified addresses[21:39:22] <adaptr> that includes the both of you[21:39:24] <jimpop> where is that in the docs?[21:40:31] <adaptr> so you're willing to incur ambiguous behaviour just to save typing a dozen characters in a map file ?[21:40:40] <adaptr> I'd call that irresponsible[21:40:53] <jimpop> no, i'm looking for proof of what you are now saying[21:41:06] <jimpop> because it disavows things you've previously said[21:41:18] <jimpop> (about docs being perfect, etc)[21:41:21] <rob0> look at myorigin and append_at_myorigin[21:42:05] <jimpop> enabled by default, but doesn't say anything about RHS[21:42:14] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[21:42:20] <rob0> I agree though, I wouldn't mind seeing a change in the documented examples to be more explicit.[21:42:24] <adaptr> jimpop: what does any of this have to do with documentation[21:42:42] <jimpop> adaptr: see rob0's comment just up above your's[21:42:50] <adaptr> I am asking YOU[21:42:55] <jimpop> so, the docs aren't perfect[21:42:58] <jimpop> ok[21:43:01] <adaptr> jimpop: what does any of this have to do with documentation[21:43:03] <jimpop> my work here is done[21:43:15] <rob0> No! Work more!![21:43:17] <adaptr> fuck, but you're an idiot[21:43:22] <adaptr> *plonk*[21:43:33] <jimpop> lol, you have litle temper control. ;-)[21:43:56] <adaptr> yoi're still alive, aren't you ?[21:44:10] <jimpop> lol, like you really would care[21:44:18] <jimpop> where are you going with this?[21:44:41] <adaptr> all you were doing is banging on about the docs ! the docs! show me the docs![21:44:50] <adaptr> it inhibits civil discourse[21:45:10] <jimpop> because I followed the docs, and you swear by the docs, and now I found out that I've followed wrong advice[21:45:33] <jimpop> and everyday on this chan I see you call people idiots for not following the docs[21:45:34] <adaptr> as I already asked you - what are you talking about ?[21:45:41] <jimpop> well, who's the idiot now?[21:45:49] * rob0 ??[21:45:51] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[21:46:21] <rob0> /dev/idiot is a symlink to rob0[21:46:51] *** Niemi has quit IRC[21:47:03] *** sbeam has quit IRC[21:48:26] <seekwill> heh[21:48:33] <adaptr> I swear on the docs, or at the docs. I don't swear by them[21:48:36] <seekwill> This looks juicy![21:49:26] <jimpop> but you've sworn at others for not understanding your interpretation of the docs.[21:49:51] <adaptr> and ?[21:50:30] <jimpop> nothing more.[21:51:04] <adaptr> oh, I was hopeful for a point[21:51:13] <adaptr> pinin', one might say[21:51:29] <jimpop> heh, if you haven't gotten it by now, you probably won't. ;-)[21:52:25] <adaptr> are you going to prove that you messed up your config by following the docs, or not ?[21:53:03] <jimpop> no more so than you can empatically prove that by me following the docs I did something incorrectly.[21:54:09] <jimpop> i followed the docs/examples, it's worked for years. unqualified RHS addresses[21:54:44] <jimpop> are you going to prove that it's messed up ? ;-) That is the question needing an answer.[21:55:02] <adaptr> IFF you don't understand how they are qualified, then the behaviour may be unexpected.[21:55:03] <seekwill> thumbs: Hand me the popcorn[21:55:36] <adaptr> if you need more reason to use qualified addresses wherever ambiguity is likely, I'm glad my logic is not related to your logic[21:56:07] <seekwill> Why is there so much discussion over a documentation enhancement?[21:56:27] <adaptr> my point, if you want one, is that unqualified addresses only ever expand to one domain. except not explicitly. I suggest you make it explicit, and eliminate all doubt[21:57:43] <seekwill> jimpop: I say switch to a commercial MTA![21:58:00] <adaptr> you'll gladly sell him one on commission, won't you[21:58:43] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[21:58:45] <seekwill> Of course[21:58:59] <adaptr> a per-message license fee ?[21:59:21] <seekwill> $0.001/message :)[21:59:26] <jimpop> i don't have a need for a new MTA, the one i choose is working fine, despite adaptr saying that it shouldn't be ;-)[21:59:29] <adaptr> that's rather steep[22:00:02] <seekwill> My rebranded Postfix works better than the non-branded one![22:00:52] <adaptr> 220 ESMTP 0800-suck-will for hot one-on-one![22:00:55] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[22:01:10] <seekwill> oooh[22:01:12] <adaptr> protocol spam[22:01:19] <adaptr> imma gonna be RITCH![22:01:30] <seekwill> Who's Ritch?[22:05:10] <Zelest> adaptr is[22:05:20] <adaptr> who is zelest ?[22:05:26] <Zelest> i am![22:05:34] * adaptr pushes the night into metaphysical[22:06:59] *** sagi_ has joined #postfix[22:07:02] <sagi_> yo[22:09:49] <Zelest> ey bro[22:10:03] <sagi_> wasabi[22:12:16] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[22:16:25] *** esaym153 has joined #postfix[22:27:15] *** blokkie has quit IRC[22:33:25] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[22:40:41] <tharkun> seekwill: LogicMail seen it?[22:49:07] *** BuenGenio has joined #postfix[22:49:24] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[22:49:30] <seekwill> tharkun: Never seen it[22:50:41] *** hever has joined #postfix[22:54:26] <esaym153> what characters are not allowed in system user names?[22:55:10] <adaptr> ask #YourOShere[22:57:21] *** pmsz has joined #postfix[22:57:22] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:00:06] <tharkun> seekwill: full email client for the BB[23:02:25] <jimi_> adaptr, says i am banned[23:02:56] <adaptr> sorry ?[23:03:05] <jimi_> #YourOShere[23:03:13] <adaptr> wow[23:03:26] <pj> omg[23:03:32] <thumbs> really?[23:04:53] *** plee has joined #postfix[23:05:00] <pj> I guess you just blindly click on channel names without reading them?[23:05:17] <adaptr> pj: I know I do![23:05:17] <pj> If I give you a command to type will you blindly type it without reading it or knowing what it does either?[23:06:34] <pj> adaptr: we all know you do :-P[23:07:13] <adaptr> ESPECIALLY when there is the merest hint of goatse or animal sex involved... I sometimes switch to the browser before I am finished clicking, I am that fast[23:07:40] <pj> lol[23:08:20] <pj> and you make sure to do it on an old copy of winxp running IE6 right? with no security updates, of course.[23:10:11] *** r-c-e has quit IRC[23:10:22] <adaptr> I do this on my windows 2000 SP3 server. I fond out there were no more patches for it, so I stopped applying them.[23:10:37] <pj> ahhhh, of course[23:10:55] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[23:11:00] <pj> obviously if there's no more patches for it that means that all the vulnerabilities have been fixed.[23:11:17] <tharkun> Of course why else would there be no more patches[23:17:50] *** hever has quit IRC[23:20:19] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[23:24:08] *** basho__ has quit IRC[23:32:11] <plee> I would like to run postfix on win98 :P[23:33:21] <Corey> I would like a pony.[23:33:28] <Corey> plee: Please troll elsewhere.[23:34:01] <plee> Hehe, I'm mad, but not that mad :)[23:35:21] <rob0> !pony[23:35:22] <knoba> rob0: "pony" : http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg[23:36:15] <Corey> !yespony[23:36:15] <knoba> Corey: "yespony" : http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/Uncle_Tractor/pony.jpg[23:36:25] <adaptr> !nopony[23:36:26] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "nopony" is not a valid command.[23:36:34] <adaptr> !nopy[23:36:34] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "nopy" is not a valid command.[23:37:18] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[23:42:45] <athemiya> sysmonk: are you here still buddy?[23:42:57] <athemiya> sorry *still here*[23:43:14] *** tarpdocks has quit IRC[23:44:37] <seekwill> tharkun: Are you using it?[23:46:08] <tharkun> seekwill: I downloaded it yesterday i just need to schedule some time to install it and test it. The developer is in ##blacberry his nick is octorian. Pretty decent person[23:46:41] <seekwill> Oh, I didn't know there was a bb channel, heh[23:48:01] <tharkun> The other day i managed to screw mine enough to look desperetly for help. Ended up upgrading OS[23:48:55] <seekwill> hehe[23:49:55] <seekwill> The default client works well enough for me[23:50:12] <seekwill> I have it hooked into Exchange, and it works magically well[23:52:14] *** Gatto has quit IRC[23:53:12] <tharkun> I met a guy that has the BES hooked into something different than exchange. I have no idea how he managed[23:53:17] *** esaym153 has left #postfix[23:53:47] *** _Tassadar has joined #postfix[23:54:26] <jimpop> BES hook into Lotus Notes[23:54:45] <jimpop> (in addition to Exchange)[23:55:03] <jimpop> not that i would recommend any of the 3[23:55:04] <jimpop> ;-)[23:55:24] <seekwill> :P[23:55:44] <seekwill> My BB gets email before Outlook[23:56:04] <seekwill> Exchange support have been rock solid[23:56:08] <jimpop> before iPhones too[23:56:23] <jimpop> i do respect BB, solid stuff[23:56:37] <seekwill> I like my BB, but I want my game apps :([23:56:38] <jimpop> not flaky like Andriod[23:56:40] <seekwill> iPhone 5.......[23:56:44] * jimpop ducks[23:56:57] * tharkun just took a look to Motorolas Atrix[23:57:32] <seekwill> tharkun: That seems like a great concept, but I think it's too late. I think tablets are the better route[23:57:36] <jimpop> verizon just sent me an upgrade offer to a htc tunderbolt[23:57:45] <seekwill> 4G![23:57:51] <jimpop> but i'm sticking with my incredible[23:57:52] <seekwill> I'm on VZW too[23:57:53] *** tarpdocks has joined #postfix[23:58:00] *** jimi_ has quit IRC[23:58:01] <jimpop> i hear the 4g stuff drains the batt too much[23:58:53] <tharkun> The higher the data rates the higher the power involved into sustaining a system[23:59:27] <seekwill> I've been very happy with VZW 3G iPad... I haven't had a need for something faster when I'm traveling.[23:59:47] <tharkun> I read an article recently that clearly stated that CDMA still had higher data rates than #G and even 4G