May 29, 2011 
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May 29, 2011 [00:02:21] *** kale has quit IRC[00:02:49] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[00:02:53] *** uqlev has quit IRC[00:03:55] *** kale has joined #postfix[00:09:30] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[00:15:12] <adaptr> cmihai: there are just 9 optional extensions that are not built with a default postfix compile; they are listed in the INSTALL file[00:15:50] <adaptr> furthermore, the default values for the important compiled-in settings (such as queue_dir etc) can be found by running postconf -d and looking for the values there[00:22:14] <lunaphyte> those would be more likely called configure options, btw - not compiler flags.[00:22:30] <adaptr> I know, but postfix does not use autoconf, so it would only confuse him[00:22:46] <adaptr> because they're not "configure" options[00:23:00] <lunaphyte> oh, shoot, that's right.[00:23:09] <lunaphyte> i always forget that.[00:23:20] <lunaphyte> it's been so long since i've actually built postfix from source. :)[00:23:25] <adaptr> a Wietse-by-proxy spank for you[00:23:41] <rob0> It has been about 20 hours ago, here.[00:23:44] <adaptr> I never have, but this took me 5 minutes of reading.[00:23:49] <adaptr> soo hard, reading[00:23:59] <Corey> Dag, yo. Literacy be hard.[00:24:00] <adaptr> yewmericans should know[00:24:19] <lunaphyte> i have to say, that would be helpful from time to time. i can recall instances with both bind and httpd when seeing how it was built was nice.[00:24:26] <rob0> mail_version = 2.9-20110501[00:24:28] <adaptr> word, rite ? fo shiz[00:24:46] <adaptr> rob0: 27 days old ? you sad ungeek[00:24:56] <rob0> that is the latest snapshot[00:25:05] <adaptr> and you haven't improved upon it ?[00:25:08] <adaptr> YET[00:25:28] <adaptr> wtf I thort there wud B haxors herr[00:26:00] * jimpop represents[00:26:09] <adaptr> yo, dawg, RESTECP[00:26:25] <jimpop> adaptr: props[00:26:26] <adaptr> e-bonics ftw[00:26:35] <jimpop> ha![00:26:45] <adaptr> mah nigga[00:27:17] <adaptr> if you only watch american television, you could think that every single black american talks like that[00:27:34] <adaptr> you know, on the INSIDE[00:27:39] * adaptr ducks[00:27:42] <adaptr> duck![00:27:45] <jimpop> same holds true for a lot of american impressions[00:27:58] <adaptr> wha, you mean rednecks aren't all..rednecks ?[00:28:00] <jimpop> our tv is so off-the-mark[00:28:10] <rob0> so, it was more like 23.4 hours ago[00:28:14] <jimpop> but i still think the brits have it worse[00:28:28] <adaptr> no, they actually all do talk like that[00:28:35] <adaptr> on the INSIDE[00:28:39] <jimpop> all brits are like The IT Crowd?[00:28:52] <adaptr> more Ricky Gervais, really[00:28:57] <jimpop> hahahahah[00:29:42] <adaptr> I was served by a carpet salesman that looked a lot like Ricky Gervais today.. he pised me off, and then I pissed him off... the sale went to his much more junior but also much nicer colleague[00:30:12] <adaptr> I will have a really nice floor come tuesday[00:30:14] <rob0> that'll show 'im[00:30:28] <rob0> unless the rude guy was the owner[00:30:32] <adaptr> I have no idea, but he made no move to restore confidence, and I thought fukkim[00:30:38] <adaptr> he was the store manage,r yes[00:31:19] <rob0> Wait, this is a rental, and you're buying carpeting for it?[00:31:24] <adaptr> but he didn't say much and let me do all the work, and the junior guy went so far as to unpack a few boxes and start clicking stuff together so I could see a long stretch[00:31:34] <adaptr> rob0: rentals are not furnished here.[00:31:40] <adaptr> the're bare as your behind[00:31:49] * rob0 blushes[00:32:05] <jimpop> mine's kind'a got a carpet of it's own[00:32:15] <adaptr> and this is 15-year stuff so I will definitely move it over.. I will have a shitload of the stuff[00:32:35] <adaptr> plus, it was uncheap[00:32:40] <adaptr> obviously[00:33:00] <adaptr> they're going to lay it for me in a day, which is about 3 weeks less than what I would need :P[00:33:01] <rob0> "Unfurnished" here often also includes wall-to-wall carpeting.[00:33:12] <adaptr> nope, bare concrete[00:33:19] <Corey> I had hardwood put into my rental.[00:33:26] <adaptr> the walls are fine, it was only used for 6 monmths previously[00:33:37] <adaptr> actual inch-thick hardwood ?[00:33:43] <Corey> No.[00:33:43] <adaptr> that shit is steep, yo[00:33:52] <rob0> 2.54 cm[00:33:58] <Corey> It's laminate stuff, but still looks decent.[00:34:09] <Corey> Instead of ten grand I spent three.[00:34:11] <adaptr> I went for the light gray oak[00:34:17] <adaptr> yeah, about the same for me[00:34:30] <adaptr> but 50 foot long stretches, should look fucking amazing[00:34:40] <Corey> Indeed.[00:35:05] <adaptr> is yours surfaced, or smooth ?[00:41:26] *** pj has joined #postfix[00:41:41] <adaptr> is he checking it right now ?[00:42:12] <jimpop> he's smoothing it[00:43:49] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[00:44:29] <adaptr> that's a little too rich for me[00:45:04] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[00:45:57] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[00:47:26] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[00:47:38] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[01:12:24] *** nokia3510 has quit IRC[01:13:36] *** nokia3510 has joined #postfix[01:18:44] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:23:54] *** uqlev has quit IRC[01:40:13] *** _ruben has quit IRC[01:41:31] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[01:47:10] *** _ruben has quit IRC[01:48:00] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[01:51:34] *** e-anima has quit IRC[01:59:26] *** jtoy has joined #postfix[01:59:58] <jtoy> i've tried to follow this tutorial but cant get my local box to send email out to gmail: http://www.marksanborn.net/linux/send-mail-postfix-through-gmails-smtp-on-a-ubuntu-lts-server/[02:00:08] <adaptr> !Tell jtoy tutorial[02:00:08] <knoba> jtoy: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[02:00:42] <jtoy> knoba: ive read the other tutorial[02:01:30] <jtoy> the link i just sent in detail, i just get this error: relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[74.125.127.27]:25, delay=1.2, delays=0.13/0/0.59/0.45, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[74.125.127.27] said: 550-5.7.1 [24.7.59.10] The IP you're using to send mail is not authorized to 550-5.7.1 send email directly to our servers. Please use the SMTP relay at your 550-5.7.1 service provider instead. Learn more at[02:01:36] <jtoy> and am stuck[02:02:19] <patdk-wk> your attempting to send email from your home ip address?[02:02:22] <patdk-wk> that isn't going to work[02:02:24] <jimpop> jtoy: that error makes sense to me. what part of it don't you understand?[02:04:58] <jtoy> patdk-wk: yes, im trying to do that[02:05:06] <patdk-wk> not going to work :)[02:05:11] <jtoy> jimpop: i understand the error, but i thought this tutorial helps get around that[02:05:26] <jtoy> i just want to be able to send cron error messages to me, is there something simpler i can do then?[02:05:43] <jimpop> jtoy: Please use the SMTP relay at your 550-5.7.1 service provider instead[02:05:55] <rob0> !tell jtoy nullclient_software[02:05:55] <knoba> jtoy: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[02:06:06] <jtoy> I dont have a relay to use[02:06:07] <rob0> !tell jtoy nullclient[02:06:07] <knoba> jtoy: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[02:06:25] <jtoy> knoba: I'll look att that, thank you[02:06:38] <rob0> Why are you following a howto for using gmail as a relay if you don't have a gmail account?[02:06:47] <jimpop> jtoy: your ISP has specifically declared that your IP address is NOT to send email. Get a new ISP, or use your ISPs relay system[02:06:58] <jtoy> I do have a gmail acount[02:07:04] <jtoy> its comcast, i dont have alternatives here[02:07:05] <patdk-wk> hmm, that attempts to use gmail as his isp email[02:07:18] <jimpop> jtoy: Google is just telling you what your ISP has defined.[02:07:20] <patdk-wk> dunno the limits on gmail allows to relay[02:07:33] <patdk-wk> but make sure you are using smtp_sasl[02:07:40] <rob0> relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[74.125.127.27]:25 <-- not using submission and not using the Gmail MSA[02:07:54] <rob0> that looks like a MX host[02:08:01] <jimpop> indeed[02:08:04] <patdk-wk> yep, the whole, follow tuturial failed completely[02:08:07] <rob0> !tell jtoy soho[02:08:07] <knoba> jtoy: "soho" : Small/home office hints and tips: http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html[02:08:34] <rob0> (although I would recommend using a nullclient, not Postfix)[02:08:59] <jtoy> if i switch to nullcient can i still send out through gmail?[02:11:10] <jtoy> im trying out msmtp now, but wont i get the same errors?[02:11:58] <rob0> You'd probably need to follow its directions to set it up, and tell it to use the MSA that gmail told you to use.[02:13:15] <jimpop> his/her comcast IP is still going to be in the PBL, so he/she will still have problems until they use the comcast outbound MX[02:13:55] <jimpop> or.. they get a google apps account and whitelist the IP (until it changes on comcast)[02:13:55] <rob0> uh, Comcast isn't going to block 587[02:14:05] <jimpop> it's not a block[02:14:09] <jtoy> cool, i got it work, i dont understand why it didnt work with postfix thoguh? my config was too complicated?[02:14:20] <jimpop> comcast has listed all their client netblocks in the PBL[02:14:36] <rob0> 00:10 < rob0> relay=ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[74.125.127.27]:25 <-- not using submission and not using the Gmail MSA 00:10 < rob0> that looks like a MX host[02:14:58] <jimpop> right, but the sending IP is still in the PBL[02:15:06] <rob0> So either the tutorial was wrong, or it wasn't followed properly.[02:15:09] <jtoy> does cron know how to use msmtp automatically?[02:15:19] <adaptr> no[02:15:24] <lunaphyte> cron doesn't care.[02:15:31] <adaptr> you can set MAIL=/some/command[02:15:31] <jtoy> rob0: I followed 3 different tutorials that were almost exactly the same,the latest one was 2007 so i was thinking they could be out of date[02:15:40] <lunaphyte> cron uses sendmail, which msmtp provides.[02:15:45] <rob0> cron uses sendmail, which is whatever you have installed there[02:15:45] <adaptr> jtoy: did you UNDERSTAND the tutorial factoid ?[02:16:06] <jtoy> adaptr: the msmtp for ubuntu doesnt include sendmail[02:16:14] <lunaphyte> yes it does.[02:16:41] <rob0> what would be the point of a nullclient package without a sendmail binary?[02:16:44] <lunaphyte> install msmtp and msmtp-mta[02:16:45] <jtoy> adaptr: yeah, i understand what it was doing, but there was quiet a lot to change, so not suprised if i messd something up, but i did recheck it about 5 times[02:17:22] <jtoy> I followed this tutorial http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/07/17/howto-configure-msmtp-to-work-with-gmail-on-linux/ and could only send mail using the mstmp command, not sendmail[02:17:57] <jtoy> jsut did updatedb and locate sendmail, that command isnt on my system[02:18:35] <rob0> then you'll probably want to configure your cron to use whatever msmtp gave you.[02:19:23] <adaptr> jtoy: so, you didn't understand the point of the tutorial factoid[02:20:34] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[02:21:37] <jtoy> adaptr: I think I did, but I cant say for certain bc I dont understand what every single line means[02:25:50] <adaptr> !tell jtoy tutorial[02:25:50] <knoba> jtoy: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[02:26:57] <jtoy> adaptr right, i agree[02:27:10] <rob0> Oh well. Problem is [mostly] solved now, and if not completely solved, a pointer to the solution has been given.[02:28:17] <jtoy> rob0: yeah, im using mstmp not, jsut need to make sure it works from cron now[02:28:26] <jtoy> thanks guys, never knew about null mailers[02:33:13] *** Gatto has quit IRC[02:44:17] * lunaphyte must be invisible...[02:44:27] <jtoy> cron jsut needs a MAIL command? I have that set but im getting : CRON[9616]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)[02:44:32] <lunaphyte> dude.[02:44:36] <lunaphyte> i TOLD you what to do.[02:44:44] <lunaphyte> [02:16:44] <lunaphyte> install msmtp and msmtp-mta[02:45:02] <jtoy> lunaphyte: didnt see that before, thanks msmtp-mta[02:51:23] <jtoy> all works, thanks again![02:55:24] *** amir has joined #postfix[03:08:33] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:10:34] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:17:18] *** Maliel has quit IRC[03:19:02] *** Maliel has joined #postfix[04:01:54] *** failure has quit IRC[04:06:54] *** amir_ has joined #postfix[04:10:32] *** amir has quit IRC[04:19:57] *** ujjain is now known as ujjain|afk[05:19:39] *** MAAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:20:03] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[06:06:36] *** tianshiz_ has joined #postfix[06:08:45] <tianshiz_> hey guys, right now i'm having trouble sending emails to support at domain dot com(masqueraded domain), i can send it to support at mail dot domain.com. what setting in postfix should i change?[06:10:35] <jimpop> what error do you get when you send to support at domain dot com[06:12:47] <tianshiz_> delivery failed permanently[06:13:01] <jimpop> !tell tianshiz_ logs[06:13:01] <knoba> tianshiz_: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung[06:13:10] <jimpop> !tell tianshiz_ debug[06:13:10] <knoba> tianshiz_: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[06:17:04] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[06:20:31] <tianshiz_> http://pastebin.com/0zyr5AEr[06:20:53] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[06:21:26] <tianshiz_> i think line 21 and 22 might be an issue[06:23:38] <jimpop> line 80 looks to be the one related to support at domain dot com[06:23:45] <jimpop> 21 and 22 are just warnings[06:24:51] <tianshiz_> should i paste my main.cf?[06:24:54] <jimpop> what do you have for mydomains in main.cf[06:25:30] <jimpop> sorry, i meant mydestination in main.cf[06:26:37] <tianshiz_> ip-10-***-**-**.ec2.internal, localhost.ec2.internal, localhost, mail.domain.com[06:26:42] <tianshiz_> im using amazon cloud server[06:26:52] <tianshiz_> so the first two are for that[06:27:00] <jimpop> try adding domain.com to mydestination[06:29:00] <lunaphyte> please do not use other people's domain names in your examples. it's extremely inconsiderate.[06:30:05] <jimpop> pfft, it's just a parked domain[06:30:21] <jimpop> oh, were you talking about localhost?[06:30:24] <jimpop> :-)[06:32:28] <lunaphyte> no, not pfft. that is a shitty attitude. whether or not it is "parked" is irrelevant, as it is none of your business, as it is simply not your domain name. do not use other people's domain names in your examples.[06:32:39] <tianshiz_> fixed :)[06:33:14] <tianshiz_> thanks![06:33:15] <lunaphyte> what is with all of the truncated lines and dovecot cruft in that log snippit?[06:33:17] <lunaphyte> ah, good.[06:33:20] <jimpop> tianshiz_: glad to hear[06:33:45] <jimpop> lunaphyte: quit being a grump. ;-0[06:51:49] <rob0> Yeah, *I* am the grump thankyouverymuch.[07:00:28] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[07:16:11] <jimpop> hey rob0, that domain name belongs to someone else[07:16:14] <jimpop> ;-)[07:28:58] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[07:29:28] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[08:10:11] *** Maliel has quit IRC[08:10:18] *** _Tassadar has quit IRC[08:10:31] *** Maliell has joined #postfix[08:10:36] *** _Tassadar has joined #postfix[08:31:46] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[08:32:56] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[09:08:13] *** Motoko has quit IRC[09:28:37] *** shoonya has quit IRC[09:36:05] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[09:37:41] *** tianshiz_ has quit IRC[09:39:15] *** tonnez has joined #postfix[09:45:55] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[09:45:55] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[09:59:31] *** tonnez has quit IRC[10:04:21] *** ced117 has quit IRC[10:06:16] *** infinigod has joined #postfix[10:07:53] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[10:10:33] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[10:11:43] *** krzie has joined #postfix[10:11:43] *** krzie has joined #postfix[10:31:14] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[10:42:32] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:23:25] *** empity has joined #postfix[11:25:06] *** vishwa has joined #postfix[11:28:05] *** vishwa has quit IRC[11:35:15] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[11:37:35] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:39:06] *** Katibe has joined #postfix[11:49:45] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[12:12:45] *** amir_ has quit IRC[13:02:35] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[13:10:13] *** MatBoy has quit IRC[13:10:31] *** MatBoy has joined #postfix[13:11:54] *** MatBoy has quit IRC[13:12:19] *** MatBoy has joined #postfix[13:25:52] *** ujjain|afk is now known as ujjain[13:42:58] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[13:55:37] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[13:55:38] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[14:12:25] *** Cain` has joined #postfix[14:12:42] *** Cain has quit IRC[14:12:44] *** Cain` is now known as Cain[14:47:52] *** basho__ has quit IRC[14:48:21] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[14:50:35] *** TomHome has quit IRC[14:56:44] *** pj has quit IRC[15:58:40] *** justdave has quit IRC[16:00:46] *** udoprog has quit IRC[16:04:48] *** udoprog has joined #postfix[16:05:18] *** justdave has joined #postfix[16:07:46] *** mikapfl has quit IRC[16:13:20] *** mikapfl has joined #postfix[16:17:35] *** mikapfl has quit IRC[16:17:44] *** uqlev has quit IRC[16:27:21] *** mikapfl has joined #postfix[16:31:14] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[16:39:02] <Corey> !tutorial[16:39:02] <knoba> Corey: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[17:19:29] <Tykling> how can I tell pickup to check the maildrop folder without doing 'postfix reload' ?[17:20:19] <rob0> uh, this happens without doing 'postfix reload'[17:20:30] <Tykling> oh ok[17:21:14] <Tykling> the manpage says it "waits for hints that new mail has been dropped into the maildrop folder", can I send it such a hint manually ?[17:24:32] <rob0> It probably uses some OS-specific mechanism such as inotify. You're finding problems where none exist.[17:25:04] <Tykling> what you are saying is that it checks often enough that I needn't worry about it[17:26:28] <Aprogas> Correct.[17:26:41] <Tykling> sounds good, thank you :)[17:30:08] *** kubapet has joined #postfix[17:30:44] <kubapet> hello, can someone help me with postfix configuration please?[17:31:41] <kubapet> i would like to restrict some users on my server to send mail. They should only recieve them..[17:32:56] <kubapet> but if I set smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access it takes no effect[17:33:06] <rob0> Are you enforcing AUTH? If not, that would be a first step.[17:34:19] <kubapet> no I am not.. it thought that it could be based just on mail-from address[17:34:38] <rob0> What if the user uses some other sender address?[17:35:37] <rob0> If you require AUTH and simply disable the users' credentials in your SASL backend, they will not be able to send.[17:35:54] <rob0> !access[17:35:54] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[17:36:21] <kubapet> then he is lucky.. :D I have just BFUs on my server, they won't be trying to find some workaround..[17:37:17] <rob0> "access" is a terrible name for a lookup file. Also, you're using the undocumented implicit invocation of check_sender_access.[17:39:28] <kubapet> I have already read through that page.. but as I said, it seems postfix ignores my config.. :/[17:39:37] <kubapet> okay, I'll rename that file[17:39:56] <Aprogas> More likely conclusion is you did something wrong.[17:40:28] <rob0> I'm quite sure of it. However, it is quite impossible to guess what it was![17:40:48] <Aprogas> Maybe it's topic-time. :)[17:41:00] <Aprogas> kubapet: Check the topic for instructions on what information we need.[17:41:07] <rob0> You know, we should have a /topic that says how to prepare a proper question.[17:41:29] <Aprogas> rob0: Great idea, let's spend an evening discussing that, and then forget to set it! :)[17:41:51] <kubapet> :D huh, sorry[17:42:33] <rob0> Your pastebin should also include the relevant contents of your access map.[17:43:06] <kubapet> so at first I am going to rename access file.. But I guess I tried it yet[17:44:41] <kubapet> Ya, I'll prepare some pastebin[17:45:32] <lunaphyte> i'll prepare some breakfast.[17:47:31] <Aprogas> I'll pre-heat the oven for my quiche.[17:52:30] <kubapet> haha.. u jokers.. my english is not so good, so Im sorry..[17:52:52] <kubapet> look at my config file please.. http://www.czweb.net/main.cf[17:52:54] <kubapet> :D[17:53:03] <lunaphyte> no[17:53:10] <lunaphyte> read the /topic and do ask asked.[17:54:48] <kubapet> !debug[17:54:48] <knoba> kubapet: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[17:56:59] <kubapet> where can I read the /topic ?[17:57:26] <kubapet> I wasn't at IRC for many years.. so I am quite confused of this stuff[17:57:30] <kubapet> :/[17:58:25] <Aprogas> Where did you read the !debug thing?[17:59:01] <kubapet> !topic[17:59:01] <knoba> kubapet: "topic" : The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and postconf -n output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix[17:59:18] <kubapet> :) aha..[17:59:37] <lunaphyte> well, that's not really how you read a channel's topic.[17:59:39] <kubapet> I wroted question mark except slash[17:59:50] <lunaphyte> oh[18:00:20] <kubapet> :D now I understand..[18:00:44] <kubapet> I've readed "!debug" in channel topic[18:01:19] <kubapet> and besides it is written in window title.. :D i know.. I am n00b.. sry.. but please be patient with me..[18:06:14] <kubapet> So there is my postconf -n http://dpaste.com/hold/547949/[18:06:50] <kubapet> and in /etc/postfix/restricted_senders is just kubapet@[MYDOMAIN] REJECT[18:07:13] <adaptr> and the problem is ?[18:07:19] <kubapet> ...just for now, for testing[18:07:21] <adaptr> !relevant_logs[18:07:21] <knoba> adaptr: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[18:12:13] <kubapet> The problem is, then even through I have configured restriction for user kubapet to send email.. it actually goes out like charm[18:12:14] <kubapet> http://dpaste.com/hold/547952/[18:13:08] <rob0> Simple. You used sendmail(1) submission, not SMTP. smtpd(8) restrictions only work when SMTP is used.[18:13:37] <adaptr> or you used the wrong charm. contact rob0 offline for pricing on better charms[18:14:22] <kubapet> :)) yes, so actually this is the problem, thanks.. I've seen some warnings, that this would work only for SMTP submission.. but I didn't know, that I am using that..[18:14:51] <adaptr> you're not[18:14:54] <kubapet> adaptr: :D[18:15:09] <adaptr> rob0: he's smiling too much. he scares me[18:16:04] <kubapet> sorry, I ment.. that I am not using...[18:16:42] <kubapet> so, what is your suggestion?[18:16:56] <kubapet> except I shouldnt smile a lot[18:17:06] <kubapet> ^_^[18:17:18] <adaptr> !goal[18:17:19] <knoba> adaptr: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[18:18:09] <rob0> My suggestions would be to learn more about email and how it works, and to use proper testing methods.[18:18:55] <kubapet> rob0: useful, thanks[18:19:01] <rob0> (If you had used SMTP, the restriction probably would have worked.)[18:19:41] <kubapet> but.. I would like (my goal is) to find simple solution how to prohibit some users (according to mailform addr) to send emails..[18:20:06] <adaptr> !authorized_submit_users[18:20:06] <knoba> adaptr: "authorized_submit_users" : List of users who are authorized to submit mail with the sendmail(1) command (and with the privileged postdrop(1) helper command).[18:20:30] <rob0> "mailform addr"?[18:22:14] <kubapet> the sender's address[18:23:53] <rob0> What is a "user"? A shell account? If so, they have access to sendmail(1) unless you exclude them from authorized_submit_users.[18:25:33] <kubapet> user is specified in local LDAP directory[18:25:45] <adaptr> "local" being what ?[18:25:59] <kubapet> user can login to shell, ftp, vpn, imap, webmail.. etc..[18:26:26] <adaptr> so you have set up nsswitch to allow LDAP logins[18:26:46] <kubapet> local -> running on the same server as postfix and maildirs[18:26:52] <adaptr> so you have set up nsswitch to allow LDAP logins[18:26:53] <kubapet> exactly[18:27:02] <rob0> running WHAT on the same server[18:27:04] <adaptr> then that's your local user list.[18:27:42] <kubapet> *ldap server is running on the same server[18:28:07] <kubapet> but now I have a solution I guess..[18:28:13] <rob0> maybe![18:28:17] <adaptr> perhaps[18:28:23] <kubapet> I will prohibit shell login for those users[18:28:24] <adaptr> "who knows"[18:28:30] <adaptr> THE SHADOW KNOWS[18:28:47] <adaptr> creepy guy, the shadow.[18:28:51] <kubapet> and set the mailer type in horde webmail to smpt[18:28:57] <adaptr> no[18:29:10] <adaptr> you managed to grasp fuck-all of what we're trying to explain[18:29:22] <adaptr> SMTP IS NOT local submission. if you DO NOT USE local submission, then you ARE USING SMTP[18:29:35] <adaptr> so you do either one OR the other.[18:29:46] <adaptr> unless people habitually log in and send spam[18:29:51] <rob0> ah, now "webmail" enters the equation[18:29:57] <adaptr> seekwill, we need you![18:30:07] <kubapet> :D[18:30:10] <chris|> adaptr, but only if he is not played by Alec Baldwin![18:30:31] <adaptr> I haven't even attempted to watch. oh, that reminds me I dled green hornet in 1080p today. meh, later.[18:30:43] <roe_> pirate![18:30:50] <kubapet> guys, you are evil.. :([18:34:09] <adaptr> roe_: pirate ? how so ? I simply see this stuff passing by in my paid-for usenet leecher app, and I click leech, and then I watch. what piracy are you talking about ?[18:35:03] <roe_> do you have a license to watch movies on your 'computer device'?[18:36:17] <adaptr> do I need one ?[18:36:37] <Corey> I sold him one.[18:38:38] <rob0> Arrrr lads, well shiver me timbers![18:39:41] <adaptr> what if my computer device has no display larger than 640x320[18:39:48] <adaptr> i.e. what if it's a C64[18:42:00] <roe_> adaptr, take it up with sony[18:42:20] <adaptr> I sponsor them enough as it is, they can fuck off[18:42:38] <adaptr> only thing I have that is not sony is my media PC. the rest is all sony[18:43:39] <Aprogas> That explains a lot.[18:43:52] <adaptr> oh, my subwoofer is JVC. perhaps that's why it sounds so rad.[18:47:48] *** jfried has joined #postfix[18:48:30] <Corey> adaptr: So how's that game console you can't use?[18:48:47] <Corey> I stopped buying things that said "Sony" right around the rootkit debacle.[18:48:51] <adaptr> the one I didnt' use anyway ?[18:49:15] <adaptr> I have had 100 times as much fun out of my 2001-era wii than I ever got out of the PS3[18:49:34] <adaptr> anybody want to but a PS3 ?[18:52:44] *** tianshiz_ has joined #postfix[18:57:04] *** kubapet has quit IRC[18:58:31] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[19:44:59] <Corey> adaptr: Urm.. the wii came out five years after 2001. :-)[19:52:03] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[19:52:09] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[19:52:27] <adaptr> Corey: a wii is two nintendo gamecubes bolted together, with bluetooth[19:52:42] <adaptr> an dthe gamecube was an incremental upgrade from the nintendo64, nbot a new generation[20:02:24] *** kubapet has joined #postfix[20:03:23] *** lunaphyte___ has joined #postfix[20:03:23] *** _TheAvatar has joined #postfix[20:03:23] *** lunaphyte___ has quit IRC[20:03:23] *** lunaphyte___ has joined #postfix[20:03:32] *** victor__ has joined #postfix[20:03:46] *** vn_ has joined #postfix[20:03:47] *** s0undt3ch_ has joined #postfix[20:03:57] *** codeshah has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** vn has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** stope has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** devurandom has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** creis has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** fahadsadah has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** RecQuery has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** trurl has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** madduck has quit IRC[20:03:57] *** victor has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** P1ersson has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** nb has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** tomocha66 has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** s0undt3ch has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** Zelest has quit IRC[20:03:58] *** lunaphyte___ is now known as lunaphyte_[20:04:13] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[20:05:32] *** devurandom has joined #postfix[20:06:10] *** fahadsadah has joined #postfix[20:06:37] *** RecQuery has joined #postfix[20:07:00] *** madduck_ has joined #postfix[20:07:18] *** udoprog has quit IRC[20:08:46] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[20:09:15] *** P1ersson has joined #postfix[20:12:36] *** nb has joined #postfix[20:14:03] *** udoprog has joined #postfix[20:18:16] *** s0undt3ch_ has quit IRC[20:18:30] *** s0undt3ch has joined #postfix[20:20:53] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[20:28:25] *** Floo has joined #postfix[20:28:34] <Floo> Hi. I have a big problem with postfix and saslauthd: May 29 20:24:24 lvps83-169-1-233 postfix/smtpd[9790]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused[20:28:39] <Floo> Postfix isn't chrooted anymore and I checked the mux file with testsaslauthd[20:28:45] <Floo> I can't find out what's wrong[20:32:04] <uqlev> Floo, does your postfix work as client to another server with tls/ssl?[20:32:19] <Floo> no as server[20:32:43] <uqlev> Floo, why don't use dovecot sasl?[20:35:04] <Floo> I'm extending a postfix mbox configuration[20:35:06] <adaptr> !sasl[20:35:06] <knoba> adaptr: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[20:35:18] <adaptr> Floo: please read the section on using server-side SASL with postfix[20:36:33] <tuxick> why use mbox? is there any good reason for that?[20:36:51] <Floo> I'm not allowed to change it. Reason enough?[20:37:40] <Floo> I configured SASL in /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf[20:38:06] <Floo> pwcheck_method: saslauthd\ mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN\ saslauthd_path: /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd\ log_level:7[20:38:20] <Floo> they are written in different lines :)[20:39:46] <adaptr> Floo: pastebin postconf -n, as the topic asks[20:40:12] <adaptr> and some relevant logs, just for kicks[20:40:14] <Zerberus> Floo: why do you use saslauthd_path?[20:40:29] <Zerberus> Floo: that one misses the socket name! the mux[20:40:34] <Floo> Just as a "maybe the default path is wrong" idea[20:40:36] <Zerberus> Floo: clearly stated in the docs[20:40:54] <Zerberus> Floo: just maybe because you copy&pasted from nonsense in the net[20:41:36] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:42:06] *** kaos__ has quit IRC[20:44:11] <Floo> appending mux changes the errors: http://nopaste.info/66d28f5c88.html[20:44:44] <Floo> http://nopaste.info/0dbadf73d8.html[20:44:47] <Floo> postconf -n[20:45:20] <adaptr> Floo: don't post debug logs unless specifically requested[20:46:28] <Floo> ok :)[20:46:32] <adaptr> and SASL is working fine. you have, however, screwed up internal postfix functionality in a bad way[20:46:38] <adaptr> what did you change[20:47:32] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[20:47:46] <Floo> disabled chrooting in master.cf[20:47:48] *** kaos__ has joined #postfix[20:48:07] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[20:48:15] <adaptr> that's vague. what did you change, exactly.[20:48:46] <Floo> replaced several '-' by 'n' in the chroot column.[20:48:55] <adaptr> and you did this because...[20:48:56] *** blackflag has joined #postfix[20:49:25] *** blackflag has quit IRC[20:49:55] <Floo> Thought that the chroot socket may isn't correct.[20:50:14] <adaptr> that doesn't make any sense. please restore the original contents of master.cf[20:52:15] *** kaos__ has quit IRC[20:53:13] *** codeshah has quit IRC[20:53:31] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[20:55:13] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[20:55:27] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[20:56:32] <Floo> done -> postfix/smtpd[17527]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory[20:56:52] <Floo> I reinstalled the postfix package[20:57:18] <Floo> and changed the main.cf and smtpd.conf too my old ones[20:59:07] <rob0> What imapd are you using with mbox?[20:59:22] <rob0> Courier IMAP doesn't do mbox.[21:00:00] <Zerberus> Floo: again you omitted to use the mux in the path?[21:00:38] <Floo> I appended mux[21:00:54] <Floo> rob0: postfix default smtp, i think.[21:01:01] <rob0> !imap[21:01:01] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[21:01:18] <Floo> I'm not using IMAP. I mean the standard UNIX mailboxes[21:01:34] <rob0> and how do you access these mailboxes?[21:02:01] <Floo> By "mail" or by a dovecot pop3 server[21:02:31] <rob0> If you're using Dovecot pop3, you'd be a lot better off also using Dovecot SASL.[21:02:52] <Floo> But changing the software is not a solution :)[21:03:05] <Floo> It'd be better for me to find the bug[21:03:27] <rob0> Eliminate Cyrus SASL from the equation, reconfigure Dovecot & Postfix, done.[21:04:28] <Floo> Doesn't sound better[21:04:29] *** Zelest has joined #postfix[21:04:29] *** Zelest has joined #postfix[21:05:26] <Floo> Ah I think it works[21:05:26] <Floo> :o[21:05:28] <uqlev> Floo, you may keep your cyrus on the same server "unless you allowed to change software" just don't use it[21:08:11] <rob0> http://nopaste.info/66d28f5c88.html indicated that the Cyrus SASL worked fine, but something you did in master.cf broke trivial-rewrite(8). Also:[21:08:15] <rob0> !verbose[21:08:15] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.[21:08:25] <rob0> lose the -v[21:09:29] <rob0> Unchrooting is a fine idea, but it does appear that you broke something.[21:12:25] *** kevcox has joined #postfix[21:12:54] *** codeshah has quit IRC[21:13:13] <kevcox> Anyone familiar with the feature that disables the postfix server from trying to resolve email addresses with the local server?[21:14:32] <jimpop> what??[21:15:15] <Aprogas> !wwacsmd[21:15:15] <knoba> Aprogas: "wwacsmd" : What Would A Crack-Smoking Monkey Do? This factoid is invoked when you do something so wicked with your setup, there is no other way to describe it.[21:15:35] <jimpop> lol[21:16:45] <rob0> In those words, no. Perhaps if you described what you mean ...[21:17:01] <rob0> !goal[21:17:01] <knoba> rob0: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[21:17:42] <kevcox> I have a postfix server setup for only mass mailings. When trying to send email to a person part of the email domain it tries to resolve the email address from the mass mail server instead of sending it out to the DNS to resolve with the web hosting server hosting the email account.s[21:19:22] <rob0> There is no simple answer to that. See /topic for suggestions.[21:19:33] <jimpop> kevcox: are you saying that the mass mail server is not performing DNS lookups, and therefore unable to send mail?[21:20:19] <rob0> For some reason it is identifying some/all non-local/hosted domains as local/hosted.[21:20:28] <kevcox> Yes, the message within mail.log says "user is unknown" when it should be sending it to the web domain server where the account is at.[21:20:43] <jimpop> O.o[21:20:50] <rob0> Only logs and config will decode this.[21:20:55] <jimpop> agreed[21:20:59] <Aprogas> You probably put a domain in one of the address classes, that you didn't really mean to put in there.[21:21:00] <rob0> "web domain server"?[21:21:16] <jimpop> !tell kevcox debug[21:21:16] <knoba> kevcox: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[21:21:30] <kevcox> rob0: Web Hosting Server[21:21:57] <rob0> Mail is routed to the MX record for the domain, has nothing to do with Web hosting.[21:23:52] <kevcox> Can anyone tell I'm new to this??? I agree but would not the postfix server try to resolve the email address it is trying to send to via local host where it sees it is the mail server for that same domain.[21:25:04] <rob0> It's sad how many people who are trying to run mass mailers know nothing about mail. :( I suggest you outsource it.[21:25:33] <jimpop> sad just begins to describe it. ;-)[21:26:47] <kevcox> I'm just trying to help someone out with this...[21:26:51] <Aprogas> Does Postfix consult MX for domains in e.g. mydestination ?[21:27:24] *** kaos__ has joined #postfix[21:28:59] <jimpop> Aprogas: no[21:29:16] <rob0> kevcox, we told you what it would take to figure this out. We're at an impasse unless you provide that information.[21:30:21] <kevcox> I'm working on it...[21:35:07] *** pj has joined #postfix[21:42:26] *** krzie has quit IRC[21:45:08] *** krzie has joined #postfix[21:49:20] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[21:49:31] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[21:57:55] *** ced117 has quit IRC[21:59:06] <kevcox> Aprogas: I think you suggestion might have resolved my issue. Within the main.cf file under the mydestination setting the domain was listed. I have made the change and restarted the service. Now I have to wait for someone to let me know if all is good again. Thanks for your helpful and open responses.[22:00:24] <lunaphyte> wait for someone to do what?[22:00:27] <lunaphyte> test it.[22:00:57] <kevcox> Yes, it is not my server but for someone else.[22:01:10] <lunaphyte> so?[22:01:21] *** tomocha66 has joined #postfix[22:01:27] <lunaphyte> what is the problem you are trying to fix?[22:01:36] <kevcox> I don't have an account nor the system they are using to send the mail.[22:02:34] <Aprogas> Are you the postmaster of that machine?[22:02:50] <kevcox> Emails were trying to be delivered to the postfix server locally for users who were part fo the local domain.[22:03:31] <kevcox> Aprogas: I help them out from time to time since I know a little more than they do but by no means an expert.[22:03:52] <kevcox> I have root access and a friend in need of help[22:04:13] <Aprogas> As others have already said, you could consider outsourcing.[22:04:28] <kevcox> The problem is relay counts[22:04:44] <Aprogas> On the modern internet you no longer have to host and do everything yourself, for most things, someone else already offers that service, and will do it better than you if you have no experience.[22:04:53] <Aprogas> I'm not sure what relay counts are.[22:05:33] <kevcox> I would have loved to use the web hosting SMTP server but they have a email relay cap. Most do which limits how many emails per day.[22:05:59] <kevcox> I do have an outsourcing resource I could have used as an expense but I choose to save some and learn more.[22:06:04] *** tharkun has quit IRC[22:06:20] <lunaphyte> so - where are the logs which demonstrate your problem?[22:06:27] <Aprogas> If you really want to learn and do it right, you should read the basic and standard Postfix documentation.[22:07:11] <kevcox> That is what I was doing... I really struggled with why this was working all this time and decided not to after months.[22:08:17] <kevcox> Some of us learn in different ways...mine is doing. Like I said I was trying to help someone out. Sorry to have bugged everyone.[22:08:27] <Aprogas> lunaphyte: From what I gathered he co-admins a nullclient, which runs Postfix, and had a domain in mydestination of which the mailboxes don't really exist on that system.[22:09:05] <Aprogas> kevcox: Our point is that running a mailserver is not easy. It is easy to make it seem to work, but it is hard to do it right.[22:09:34] <Aprogas> If you want to spend the time and effort to learn how to do it right, we can help you (but most of it you have to do yourself); but if you don't want to spend that time and effort, it is better to outsource your mass mailing.[22:09:59] <kevcox> I can appreciate that...I felt this was a very simple machine that was not going to be difficult. It has one account and send emails outbound only.[22:10:09] <Aprogas> !nullclient[22:10:09] <knoba> Aprogas: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[22:10:30] *** Mazon has quit IRC[22:10:30] <rob0> A Postfix nullclient config is in:[22:10:34] <rob0> !standard[22:10:34] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[22:10:41] <Aprogas> It would be a simple machine and it would not be difficult, if you used a nullclient and an external relayhost (probably a paid service if you have high volume).[22:11:38] <kevcox> Aprogas: Thanks for the input and I'll do some research and help educate my friend. Thanks again[22:12:47] *** Mazon has joined #postfix[22:21:20] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[22:21:56] *** Franklin has joined #postfix[22:29:04] <kevcox> Aprogas: I have confirmation that all is working agian... thanks again.[22:29:51] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[22:32:46] *** kevcox has left #postfix[22:43:40] <rob0> ewww. Somehow I suspect we'd all prefer that it NOT be working.[22:45:10] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[22:49:00] <krzee> heh[22:49:38] *** kubapet has quit IRC[23:02:17] *** rob0 has quit IRC[23:12:36] *** Jaac has quit IRC[23:19:50] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[23:32:36] *** amir has joined #postfix[23:42:52] *** Norman_Bates has joined #postfix[23:46:56] *** Franklin has quit IRC