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[00:14:21] <adaptr> blokkie: you don't need verbose logs
[00:15:18] <adaptr> !tell blokkie logging
[00:15:18] <knoba> adaptr: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[00:15:21] <adaptr> !tell blokkie logs
[00:15:21] <knoba> blokkie: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung
[00:16:57] <lunaphyte> ugh. cyrus sasl gets more broken with every day that passes.
[00:17:35] <lunaphyte> their web site[s] might as well be hosted on geocities at this point, with the number of broken links there are.
[00:17:58] <adaptr> in all fairness, postfix 3rd party page contains quite a few of those as well
[00:18:25] <lunaphyte> yeah.
[00:18:43] <lunaphyte> but not the download link.
[00:21:24] <adaptr> but I have no particular desire to be fair when it comes to cyrus
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[00:25:08] <will> Cyrus is the coolest
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[00:26:31] <lunaphyte> interesting. libsasl2.so.2.0.23 in ubuntu's 2.1.23.dfsg1-5ubuntu2 reveals SASL_CONF_PATH /etc/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2
[00:27:06] <tharkun> lunaphyte: how long is ubuntu's LTS support?
[00:27:16] <adaptr> 5 years
[00:27:25] <lunaphyte> i thought how long was a chinese man.
[00:27:34] <lunaphyte> oh, does he work for ubuntu?
[00:27:47] <lunaphyte> they just have one guy doing lts support?
[00:28:00] <adaptr> you're bored
[00:28:08] <lunaphyte> no sir.
[00:28:15] <lunaphyte> i am procrastinating.
[00:28:48] <adaptr> ah, is that one of them you-feminisms ?
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[00:29:43] <lunaphyte> i'd never use a version of ubuntu long enough to need to worry about how long their lts support lasts.
[00:30:10] <lunaphyte> feminisms? no, i shave my legs.
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[00:30:31] * rob0 whistles
[00:30:40] <lunaphyte> uh oh.
[00:30:41] <tharkun> Voyeur
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[00:58:47] <matadore> hello, any opendkim experts here? I am signing locally when testing mail php mail from command line but not from smtp account.....I made sure to include all ips in internalhosts = in opendkim.conf .. but i get opendkim[23693]: (unknown-jobid): can't determine message sender; accepting ..
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[01:07:34] <mehwork> if you generate a Message-ID header and then send an email to a comma-separated 'To:' list like 'To: foo at example dot com, bar at example dot com' does that mean they send with the same Message-Id header value for both emails?
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[01:08:08] <adaptr> yes
[01:08:12] <mehwork> don't message-id's have to be unique to each email? i'm worried because if postfix will split up the comma-separated emailaddresses in the To: list then how would that work?
[01:11:13] <adaptr> RFC 5322, section 3.6.4, explains how the Message-ID should be used
[01:11:21] <adaptr> postfix complies with the RFC
[01:11:45] <adaptr> since the message does not change (only the recipient), the message-id is not altered
[01:12:20] <will> mehwork: Why does it matter?
[01:12:56] <mehwork> because the rfc says that the message-id should be unique to 'each message'
[01:13:17] <mehwork> but what adaptr said clears it up i guess, thanks
[01:14:22] <adaptr> the RFC specifically states that header changes do not influence the uniqueness of the message
[01:14:40] <adaptr> so every recipient gets the same copy of the same message
[01:14:50] <adaptr> mehwork: how did you think MUAs could do threading, then ?
[01:14:59] <adaptr> or mailing lists could keep track
[01:16:03] <mehwork> fair enough
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[03:12:34] <tarpsocks> I'm really starting to doubt postfix in terms of its role in production-servers.
[03:13:03] <rob0> heh, start off like a troll ...
[03:13:56] <tarpsocks> well
[03:14:13] <tarpsocks> I was hoping to get some help but I guess I'm in the wrong place
[03:14:40] <rob0> Postfix is fine in the hands of competent administrators.
[03:14:58] <rob0> If there's another MTA you know better, perhaps stay with it?
[03:15:10] <tarpsocks> Well I certainly didn't come here to be attacked by a big fish in a small pond
[03:16:03] <rob0> No, but it sounded like you wanted to troll. If you wanted help you would not start out like that. And I did not attack you, but I can +q you if necessary.
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[03:19:02] <mochafreud> hi
[03:19:05] <mochafreud> anyone how to get a sender dependent transport mapping to work
[03:19:08] <mochafreud> woops
[03:19:11] <mochafreud> anyone know how*
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[03:19:32] <mochafreud> any help or pointers would be appreciated
[03:19:36] <mochafreud> postfix is challenging me
[03:19:40] <mochafreud> and i must succeed
[03:20:53] <tharkun> man 5 transport
[03:21:03] <mochafreud> i'm sorry, what?
[03:21:11] <mochafreud> are you telling me to read a man page?
[03:21:47] <tarpsocks> man pages are kind of obfuscated
[03:22:10] <mochafreud> if i wanted to read a man page do you think i'd come on irc and ask a question?
[03:22:13] <tharkun> Yes, the first 4 lines tells you how to check it and the rest gives you the minor details of transport maps.
[03:22:26] <tharkun> Then you can go to man 5 postconf and get the generals you are expecting
[03:22:49] <mochafreud> cool
[03:22:58] <mochafreud> your help has proven to be invaluable
[03:23:49] <tharkun> Not mine, man pages are YOUR friends they will not bite you at all.
[03:24:05] <adaptr> wtf is the moon full or something ?
[03:24:13] <mochafreud> let me guess, your favorite linux/unix command is "man mount" amirite?
[03:24:36] <adaptr> rob0: remove this clown please
[03:24:54] <rob0> !sweet
[03:25:04] <mochafreud> no sense of humor in here huh?
[03:25:12] <mochafreud> postfix is srs bznss
[03:26:15] <mochafreud> people who tell other people to read manpages are a shitstain on the underware of the opensource community
[03:26:21] <adaptr> ah, bye
[03:26:27] <rob0> Oh.
[03:26:33] <mochafreud> l8r neckbeards
[03:26:34] <adaptr> "underware" - we should use that
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[03:27:14] <tharkun> THE IDIOT CALLED ME A WHAT?
[03:28:00] <tharkun> BTW rob0 nice sweet link.
[03:28:08] <adaptr> ha, an anonymizing domain service. I hate those fuckers.
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[03:28:25] <adaptr> just when you think you've had them all...
[03:28:35] <adaptr> hello signpost, how can WE help YOU tonight
[03:28:40] <signpost> what did I do now?
[03:28:44] <adaptr> appear
[03:28:46] <signpost> I got my postfix install working
[03:28:49] <signpost> I'm good bro
[03:29:04] <signpost> I just wanted to lurk and see what other people are doing
[03:29:05] <rob0> heh, you missed the troll. Well, he's still here in one incarnation.
[03:29:13] <adaptr> give me your wife, I will brutalize her. that's what bro's do, right ?
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[03:29:22] <adaptr> if not, then you don't want to be my bro
[03:29:23] <signpost> hey I wasn't trolling last time. I'm just a postfix newb
[03:30:05] <rob0> I said you MISSED the troll, not that you ARE one.
[03:30:06] <signpost> adaptr: when I have a wife I'll give her to you first, like a true bro
[03:30:21] <adaptr> I prefer to hit trolls
[03:30:29] <adaptr> or hit on trolls, if they're very pretty
[03:30:33] <signpost> whack-a-troll
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[03:31:10] <rob0> does that ban cloaked users from that host?
[03:31:14] <adaptr> heh, that pissed you off. doesn't happen often, that
[03:31:24] <adaptr> it should yes, but ask corey to be sure
[03:31:28] <rob0> I'm fine.
[03:31:40] <rob0> Corey, ^^ ban?
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[03:32:09] <signpost> rob0: what's the hostmask you're trying to ban?
[03:32:17] <adaptr> *IP*
[03:32:34] <signpost> ah
[03:32:39] <signpost> then that will definitely do it
[03:32:58] <signpost> "cloaked" threw me off
[03:33:00] <rob0> 01:29 -!- mochafreud [~mochajoe at 80085 dot info] has left #postfix [] 01:29 -!- mode/#postfix [+b *!* at 80085 dot info] by rob0
[03:33:06] <adaptr> are you intimately familiar with the ircdse7en source ?
[03:33:23] <signpost> not I
[03:33:35] <adaptr> then don't say "definitely". remember where you are...
[03:33:35] <signpost> but I've banned a troll or two in my day
[03:33:55] <rob0> but we suspect that mochafreud is also: 01:13 -!- tarpsocks [~pushp0p@unaffiliated/pushp0p] has joined #postfix
[03:33:56] <signpost> among gods, it would seem
[03:34:11] <adaptr> I've banned hundreds. doesn't mean I know how an IRC server works :)
[03:34:25] <adaptr> no, in #postfix, the home of the anally correct
[03:34:32] <rob0> thumbs might know?
[03:34:38] <adaptr> yeah, maybe
[03:34:40] <signpost> having only scratched the surface, I can see how that'd be necessary
[03:34:44] <signpost> *the surface of postfix
[03:34:53] <adaptr> not the anal surface, then ?
[03:35:02] <signpost> I mean, present it
[03:35:11] <adaptr> we follow our fearless leader
[03:36:07] <signpost> present me to your king that I might prostrate myself
[03:36:27] <adaptr> just join the mailing list, you'll be prostate in no time
[03:36:58] <signpost> what do you guys do with your irl selves, server admin?
[03:38:38] <adaptr> which of my 37 functions would you like details on ?
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[03:39:17] <signpost> adaptr: the ones that aren't bodily
[03:39:19] <signpost> :D
[03:39:36] <adaptr> they're all brainily
[03:39:46] <adaptr> some of them have a fingerous component
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[03:41:53] <signpost> I work for a startup, so my function is generally to do whatever needs to be done regardless of job description or common decency
[03:43:24] <lunaphyte> irl...
[03:43:39] <lunaphyte> itym afk
[03:43:44] <signpost> as opposed to irc, where everyone's a genius
[03:43:44] <adaptr> yeah, I didn't get that part either, as if I do anything else than here
[03:43:56] <adaptr> signpost: the evidence seems to suggest distinctly otherwise
[03:44:02] <signpost> zing
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[03:46:34] <lunaphyte> irl, i do small engine repairs.
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[03:54:18] <lunaphyte> adaptr: waning crescent, it seems.
[03:57:33] <lunaphyte> i think the sasl documentation may have some of the worst speling i've ever seen in that context.
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[06:26:43] <jimpop> damn, always late to the party.
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[07:08:47] <myztic> warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
[07:08:58] <myztic> could this prevent mailbox retreival?
[07:16:14] <jimpop> myztic: probably not, unless something in /etc/postfix/* relies on something in your hosts file
[07:16:30] <jimpop> myztic: just restart postfix to solve that error.
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[07:28:53] <myztic> jimpop: Thanks. Also, i've setup a catch all using Virtual Domains, however it ignores existing user accounts, is there a way around this?
[07:32:53] <jimpop> myztic: no, i don't think that works with virtuals
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[09:51:36] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[09:52:03] <s0undt3ch> can I disable ehlo/helo requirement from specific hosts?
[09:53:26] <Aprogas> That depends which ehlo/helo requirement you mean.
[09:55:38] <s0undt3ch> Aprogas: well, I'm using monit on my systems, and, although it supports tlsv1 which I enforce on my server, it's aparently not sending the ehlo/helo
[09:56:22] <kenyon> then it's not speaking proper SMTP
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[09:56:53] <Aprogas> Is this for the connection test protocol smtp, or the alert message?
[09:57:07] <s0undt3ch> 503 5.5.1 Error: send HELO/EHLO first
[09:57:15] <s0undt3ch> Aprogas: the alert message
[09:57:24] <s0undt3ch> kenyon: that's what I'm thinking
[09:57:31] <Aprogas> I hadn't notice this, but I use an external relayhost for monit.
[09:57:45] <Aprogas> I did notice monit doesn't send a helo-string for the postfix-policyd connection testing.
[09:57:54] <s0undt3ch> I've also setup a dumb raly in python to do this
[09:57:58] <Aprogas> !smtpd_helo_required
[09:57:58] <knoba> Aprogas: "smtpd_helo_required" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Require that a remote SMTP client introduces itself at the beginning of an SMTP session with the HELO or EHLO command.
[09:58:01] <s0undt3ch> s/raly/relay
[09:58:06] <Aprogas> You can disable that, but not on a per-host basis.
[09:58:37] <s0undt3ch> I'd like not to disable that globaly
[09:59:09] <Aprogas> Maybe you can dupe its effects with a helo restriction.
[10:00:02] <s0undt3ch> how could I do that?
[10:00:13] <Aprogas> In master.cf open up another smtpd just for monit, and set -o smtpd_helo_required=no to just that smtpd.
[10:00:22] <Aprogas> Apparently helo restrictions are skipped when no helo is sent.
[10:01:09] <Aprogas> But first verify with a packet sniffer that Monit indeed sends no HELO.
[10:01:26] <Aprogas> "Monit, by default, use the local host name in SMTP HELO/EHLO and in the Message-ID header. Some mail servers check this information against DNS for spam protection and can reject the email if the DNS and the hostname used in the transaction does not match. If this is the case, you can override the default local host name by using the HOSTNAME option:"
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[10:02:48] <s0undt3ch> hmm
[10:03:19] <s0undt3ch> I'd had seen that already, and set that to the hostname of the machine, which is diferent from it's dns name
[10:03:28] <Aprogas> Maybe you did it wrong.
[10:03:30] <s0undt3ch> lemme try to set the dns name of it there
[10:03:54] <s0undt3ch> yeah, machine changed but dns/ip remanied the same
[10:04:00] <Aprogas> You probably need to quote the string.
[10:04:10] <s0undt3ch> yeah, I do
[10:05:19] <s0undt3ch> dam
[10:05:22] <s0undt3ch> It's working
[10:05:42] <s0undt3ch> don't you hate when you find out that sometimes you can be *really stupid*!?
[10:05:53] <Aprogas> I highly recommend using a mailserver on a different box than what Monit is running on.
[10:07:00] <s0undt3ch> Aprogas: if that monit instance is for the mailserver box right?
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[10:07:50] <Aprogas> If e.g. Apache goes haywire and eats all your memory, that might disrupt mail delivery as well, especially if e.g. you use virtual aliases in an MySQL-backend and MySQL has just been oom-killed by the kernel.
[10:08:11] <s0undt3ch> ok
[10:08:32] <Aprogas> You should judge how robust your mail delivery is in situations where other processes cannot be relied on.
[10:08:32] <s0undt3ch> that's actually what I do for every server of mine, except one, the mail server ;)
[10:08:59] <Aprogas> Postfix itself will still function under load.
[10:09:03] <s0undt3ch> ie, I had never though about that
[10:09:41] <Aprogas> You can probably make a GMail-account for Monit and have it login to the GMail MSA to submit alerts, or use the MSA of your ISP.
[10:10:32] <Aprogas> And of course set the address to which alerts go to something handled by an external mailserver, not something your mailserver is MX for.
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[10:15:28] <s0undt3ch> yeah
[10:19:40] <tarpsocks> i'm not mochafreud
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[14:14:47] <BuenGenio> guys, I've done some googling about this, but couldn't find an up to date, conclusive answer: what is the right way of preventing multiple copies of the same email from being sent when a recipient is included in both a direct email address and an alias when an email is addressed to multiple recipients?
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[14:20:40] <Aprogas> Mailman does this by detecting situations like this and excluding that address from that specific mailing-list-post.
[14:21:16] <Aprogas> I'm not sure if there is an easy way internal to Postfix to prevent this. Basically Postfix just does what it is told, and it was told to double-deliver.
[14:22:53] <BuenGenio> I use dovecot
[14:23:04] <xray_tsk> BuenGenio: do you use it as LDA ?
[14:23:08] <BuenGenio> yes
[14:23:17] <BuenGenio> in addition to IMAP & POP
[14:23:22] <BuenGenio> it's quite nice
[14:24:06] <xray_tsk> Then it's rather dovecot's job, not postfix.
[14:25:02] <BuenGenio> ok, so the gist is spotting duplicate message IDs?
[14:27:05] <BuenGenio> so what are things like nodup, duplicate_filter_style & duplicate_filter_limit ?
[14:29:17] <Aprogas> Not sure whether that does a recursive search.
[14:38:11] <BuenGenio> what does that mean?
[14:38:34] <Aprogas> That I don't know how deep it will search if an alias points to another alias that points to another alias.
[14:41:10] <BuenGenio> don't think we have any aliases deeper than 2 levels
[14:44:39] <Aprogas> I had an issue where some of my virtual aliases only pointed to other virtual aliases but never to a real mailbox, but at the early stage that isn't discovered because virtual aliases aren't even recursed 2 levels deep (at that stage).
[14:45:01] <Aprogas> local(8) aliases are but not virtual aliases. This may be somewhat related to the duplicate recipient thing.
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[15:17:20] <BuenGenio> xray_tsk, from #dovecot
[15:17:21] <BuenGenio> <iamkoos> dovecot doesn't handle aliases? so don't see it's possible ;)
[15:17:21] <BuenGenio> <tontsa> like i said you'd have to make those hashes in sieve script and then compare.. but that would get slow really fast
[15:19:21] <stope> I am getting this error when trying to send out mail from the machine itself: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail.somedomain.net[127.0.0.1]: 554 5.7.1 <emailAddress at gmail dot com>: Relay access denied; from=<root at somedomain dot net> to=<emailAddress at gmail dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail.somedomain.net>
[15:19:56] <stope> is anything obvious being overlooked?
[15:20:27] <stope> receiving mail is no problem
[15:21:15] <Aprogas> Could you pastebin that error together with its context from the logs?
[15:23:42] <Aprogas> I meant with more context, like several lines above and below the error.
[15:24:05] <Aprogas> I cannot judge from the information you provided whether this error occurs on the original connection or the reinject.
[15:24:34] <Aprogas> pastebin master.cf as well
[15:24:48] <stope> k, will recreate....
[15:27:27] <Aprogas> Such errors can also be hard to debug if you hide the real domain being used.
[15:27:45] <stope> dig as well?
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[15:30:20] <Aprogas> Why do you override all reject_code's to be 554?
[15:31:04] <stope> cuz I'm a retard, I just copied those parts from somewhere else and I know I should change them
[15:31:45] <Aprogas> The defaults are fine.
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[15:38:40] <Aprogas> I'm not sure whether changing the reject_code will also change the message that goes with it.
[15:39:05] <stope> I'll change them to the standard ones, just looking them up now
[15:39:12] <Aprogas> Just remove the settings.
[15:39:18] <Aprogas> That will cause them to be default.
[15:39:44] <Aprogas> I also spotted you have a double reject_unauth_destination one of which is before nay permit_ restrictions.
[15:40:00] <Aprogas> I didn't spot this at first because I was only looking for 1 reject_unauth_destination and thought I found it.
[15:42:54] <stope> will fix the reject_unauth_destination duplicate
[15:45:27] <stope> Aprogas: works now
[15:45:49] <stope> I removed the duplicate reject_unauth_destination and its golden
[15:45:57] <stope> thank you for the help!
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[15:51:15] <Aprogas> You might want to review and renew your choise of rbls.
[15:51:19] <Aprogas> s/choise/choice/
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[15:53:08] <stope> will do
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[17:49:02] <kevcox> I've been fighting a problem involving users trying to send emails within the same domain the postfix server is setup for. Can anyone tell me how to configure postfix so it does not try to resolve the user locally but resolves it via the DNS servers?
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[17:50:32] <kevcox> The postfix server is setup for mass mailing only so none of the users are setup on the postfix server but on the web hosting account.
[17:51:17] <kevcox> When a user tries to send an email to another user part of the domain the mail fails due to the postfix server tries to resolve the user locally.
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[18:15:49] <adaptr> impatient noob is impatient
[18:33:21] <Corey> Indeed.
[18:34:49] <adaptr> did you lose your license ?
[18:35:22] <Corey> rob0: Should. If not let me know.:-)
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[21:42:50] <ampletime> yello
[21:42:56] <ampletime> ehlo*
[21:51:50] <cmihai> 501
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[22:05:43] <jimpop> 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname,
[22:09:17] <Corey> adaptr: No, , I still have the license. Just another user from the same region is in a number of channels with me, making tabvails more common.
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[22:52:59] <adaptr> Corey: ah yes, I think I've seen him around
[22:53:10] <adaptr> and wondered if he was you ;)
[22:53:16] <Corey> Hardly.
[22:53:21] <Corey> ALthough his name is also Corey.
[22:53:27] <adaptr> you're shitting me
[22:53:31] <Corey> Nope.
[22:53:39] <Corey> If he's pranking me he's got the FCC in on it too.
[22:53:45] <adaptr> so not using your 27mc handle would not, in fact , improve matters
[22:54:08] <Corey> I'd have to adjust my region / get a vanity call. :-)
[22:54:24] <adaptr> C0R331
[22:54:27] <adaptr> meh
[22:55:05] <adaptr> it would be hilarious if you didn't know, and told him to use his real name instead, because this is confusing
[22:55:46] <adaptr> mid-life identity crisis, anyone ?
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[22:56:33] <jimpop> 451 Greylisted
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[23:48:05] <cmihai> How can I list compiler flags for Postfix? Eg: find out if it was compiled with PostgreSQL support, etc.
[23:48:54] <cmihai> postconf -m, -A, -a or ldd, strings, etc. do help, but is there a better way?
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