May 20, 2011 
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May 20, 2011 [00:02:26] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[00:03:14] *** sugar_skymeyer has quit IRC[00:04:13] *** sugar_skymeyer has joined #postfix[00:11:16] *** lusted_gay has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** plee has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** youknowh1 has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** chrisq has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** ccxCZ has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** runev has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** viddy has quit IRC[00:11:17] *** vho has quit IRC[00:11:25] *** chrisq has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** lusted_gay has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** plee has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** youknowh1 has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** ccxCZ has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** runev has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** viddy has joined #postfix[00:16:30] *** vho has joined #postfix[00:16:33] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[00:16:46] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[00:16:57] *** lusted_gay has quit IRC[00:16:57] *** plee has quit IRC[00:16:57] *** youknowh1 has quit IRC[00:16:58] *** ccxCZ has quit IRC[00:16:58] *** runev has quit IRC[00:16:58] *** viddy has quit IRC[00:16:58] *** vho has quit IRC[00:17:27] *** lusted_gay has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** plee has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** youknowh1 has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** ccxCZ has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** runev has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** viddy has joined #postfix[00:17:27] *** vho has joined #postfix[00:18:35] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[00:19:41] *** weedar has joined #postfix[00:25:08] *** Linex_ has joined #postfix[00:27:45] *** Linex has quit IRC[00:38:46] <seekwill> hi thumbs[00:40:26] <thumbs> hi?[00:45:57] *** weedar has quit IRC[00:47:22] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[00:58:14] *** Gatto has quit IRC[01:04:04] *** zaurav has quit IRC[01:04:14] <tharkun> thumbs: aloha[01:05:42] *** TomHome has quit IRC[01:06:55] <thumbs> tharkun: hola! Que pasa?[01:07:31] <seekwill> THIS A ENGLISH ONLY-CHANNEL![01:07:55] <thumbs> seekwill: you can speak cantonese, if you want.[01:08:00] <seekwill> oh[01:08:56] <tharkun> thumbs: nada, todo bien. Y tu que tal[01:09:32] <tharkun> seekwill: si tu veux tu peubez parler aussi an Francaise ;P[01:11:27] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[01:13:08] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[01:13:26] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[01:14:54] <seekwill> si![01:28:25] *** hever has quit IRC[01:31:10] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[01:34:25] *** Lenhix has quit IRC[01:39:46] *** ScorpiusLetalis has quit IRC[01:40:36] *** ScorpiusLetalis has joined #postfix[01:45:01] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[01:47:33] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[01:52:16] *** Cain has quit IRC[01:59:10] *** war9407 has quit IRC[02:12:37] *** ScorpiusLetalis has quit IRC[02:13:34] *** ScorpiusLetalis has joined #postfix[02:18:35] *** Serotonergic has joined #postfix[02:32:33] *** hparker has quit IRC[02:38:53] *** basho__ has quit IRC[02:40:57] *** hparker has joined #postfix[02:40:58] *** hparker has joined #postfix[02:55:06] *** Cain has joined #postfix[03:02:17] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[03:06:40] *** Cain has quit IRC[03:09:04] *** nokia3510 has quit IRC[03:09:38] <l1nuxman> I did cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern /var/spool/postfix/etc/localtime and the time is still different in the logs than when I do 'date'[03:09:43] <l1nuxman> whats wrong?[03:09:47] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:10:36] *** EviL has joined #postfix[03:10:44] *** EviL is now known as Guest5029[03:10:54] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:15:05] *** nokia3510 has joined #postfix[03:17:30] *** Guest5029 has left #postfix[03:17:53] *** Cain has joined #postfix[03:19:47] *** lusted_gay has quit IRC[03:19:56] *** Serotonergic has quit IRC[03:25:56] *** Motoko has quit IRC[03:32:21] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[03:37:18] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[03:38:34] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[03:38:34] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[03:46:46] <jimpop> l1nuxman: which logs?[03:47:14] <rob0> !chroot[03:47:14] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[03:47:27] <rob0> oh[03:47:31] <l1nuxman> jimpop, its not being run in chroot[03:47:40] <jimpop> l1nuxman: which logs?[03:47:53] <rob0> you need the chroot/dev/log socket I think[03:47:55] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[03:48:21] <l1nuxman> jimpop, for example /var/log/mail.info[03:48:38] <jimpop> l1nuxman: that's a syslog problem, why are you asking on #postfix?[03:49:27] <l1nuxman> sorry. because I'm trying to get postfix working :D[03:49:46] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[03:50:01] <jimpop> l1nuxman: sounds like postfix *is* working correctly, but not your syslog/syslog-ng/rsyslog[03:50:30] <l1nuxman> does user and group have to be postfix on /var/spool/postfix/private too? or is postfix root /var/spool/postfix/private ok[03:51:14] <rob0> Let Postfix manage its own permissions, "man postfix".[03:51:23] <jimpop> drwx------ 2 postfix root 4096 2011-05-14 13:09 private[03:51:29] <l1nuxman> yep[03:53:23] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[03:53:56] <Tabmow> l1nuxman: what distro are you running on?[03:54:06] <l1nuxman> Tabmow, ubuntu[03:54:53] <l1nuxman> I know this is postfix, but I'm having trouble getting postfix to use auth because dovecot isn't starting properly. Getting exit status 89[03:55:24] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:55:39] <Tabmow> l1nuxman: read the topic and give us the relevant information.[03:55:52] <rob0> So what is this about not being chrooted? Did you take it out of the chroot?[03:55:56] <rob0> !debian[03:55:56] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[03:56:04] <l1nuxman> rob0, yes I did[03:57:13] <rob0> Then I have no guess, except that it's not a Postfix issue, as jimpop said.[03:57:58] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[03:58:02] <l1nuxman> my conf http://pastebin.com/J7fNXBYj[03:58:37] <Tabmow> l1nuxman: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata[03:58:44] <Tabmow> then restart syslog/postfix[03:59:25] <rob0> (There is no need to restart Postfix for syslogd changes.)[04:00:06] <l1nuxman> ok thanks.[04:02:14] <l1nuxman> noone on dovecot is answering. Can I ask about the dovecot error here?[04:04:23] <roe> you can try[04:06:30] <l1nuxman> anyone know why I have this in my logs? Dovecot won't start I think: init: dovecot main process (19460) terminated with status 89 . I figure that dovecot process gets terminated or something because postfix says that there's no authentication and it goes fatal[04:06:36] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[04:10:24] <roe> is dovecot in debug mode?[04:10:37] <l1nuxman> i dunno[04:10:54] <roe> me neither[04:11:06] <l1nuxman> should it be?[04:11:12] <l1nuxman> by default?[04:11:14] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[04:11:38] <roe> I would hope not, but it could depend on your distro[04:11:59] <l1nuxman> well if I try to find the process dovecot there's none to be found so dovecot doesn't even start[04:12:47] <roe> you realize that has no bearing on my question right?[04:13:13] <l1nuxman> well how do I know if it's in debug mode if it's not even started?[04:14:26] <roe> dovecot reads from a configuration file when it tries to start[04:15:33] <jimpop> l1nuxman: have you seen this: http://tinyurl.com/3t9k7v3[04:15:44] <l1nuxman> roe, there I set the debugs to yes[04:16:02] <roe> jimpop, nice[04:16:20] <l1nuxman> jimpop, I have tried that[04:16:27] <l1nuxman> I read the first link[04:16:35] <l1nuxman> I couldn't find any missing curly brackets[04:17:21] <roe> l1nuxman, pastebin the output of the following command[04:17:42] <roe> cat dovecot.conf |grep -v ^# |grep -v ^$[04:20:37] <l1nuxman> http://pastebin.com/NRcMNxGk roe[04:21:38] <roe> ugh, my grep was not as good as expected[04:21:39] <roe> try this[04:24:18] <roe> cat dovecot.conf |grep -v ^# |grep -v ^$ | grep -v "^\s*#[04:24:29] <roe> oh I missed a close quotes[04:24:38] <roe> cat dovecot.conf |grep -v ^# |grep -v ^$ | grep -v "^\s*#"[04:28:25] *** StupidMop has joined #postfix[04:28:50] <l1nuxman> sec[04:32:08] <l1nuxman> roe, http://pastebin.com/HjZtci01[04:32:22] <l1nuxman> I possibly have fixed one problem but still get errors in the logs[04:33:01] <roe> the same error?[04:33:21] <l1nuxman> "dovecot: auth(default): unlink(/var/spool/postfix/private/auth) failed: Is a directory"[04:33:57] <l1nuxman> roe, http://pastebin.com/UHrmr21a[04:34:06] <roe> that one should be easy to fix[04:35:10] <l1nuxman> I fixed it[04:35:12] <l1nuxman> I think[04:35:42] <l1nuxman> bingo finally[04:36:18] <l1nuxman> so I delete auth and it started no error :)[04:36:21] <l1nuxman> thanks roe[04:36:25] <l1nuxman> for the support[04:36:31] <roe> and it didn't take any real info from me[04:36:43] <jimpop> gee, i think i saw that on the 2nd or 3rd google result......[04:36:55] <jimpop> let me check...[04:36:56] <l1nuxman> before that I had to also stop xinetd which was taking up port 143[04:36:56] <roe> jimpop, yup[04:37:33] <l1nuxman> ok small break[04:39:15] <roe> a little grepping goes a long way[04:41:00] <StupidMop> mail is not being delivered :-/ the message in mail.log is status=deferred, and Connection refused[04:41:26] <StupidMop> also, from waht i can tell, it should say "relay=dovecot" and instead it says "relay=none"[04:41:28] <roe> StupidMop, what is the full log message please[04:42:55] <StupidMop> li288-183 postfix/smtp[9540]: 6A7C1A98A: to=<me at domain dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.03/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused)[04:43:12] <roe> StupidMop, your content filter is foobar-ed[04:45:06] <StupidMop> what file controls that?[04:45:15] <roe> what file controls your content filter?[04:45:25] <roe> that doesn't really make sense[04:47:07] <jimpop> netstat -l -p -n -t -w | grep 5[04:47:09] <jimpop> err[04:47:16] <roe> password:[04:47:17] <jimpop> netstat -l -p -n -t -w | grep 10024[04:47:45] *** seekwill has quit IRC[04:47:48] <jimpop> StupidMop: what does ^^ that cmd show?[04:48:14] <StupidMop> nothing[04:48:24] <roe> if it isn't running that isn't going to show anything[04:48:31] <roe> I would assume it is amavis[04:48:49] <jimpop> how can the connection be refused if nothing is listening?[04:52:35] <jimpop> StupidMop: grep -r 10024 /etc/*[04:53:07] <jimpop> that should give you an idea of what content filter (spamassasin/clamav/etc) is using port 10024[04:53:24] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[04:54:33] <StupidMop> etc/postfix/main.cf:content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024[04:54:58] <jimpop> StupidMop: is amavis running? if so, check it's logs for problems[04:56:34] <StupidMop> gah! amavis isn't installed[04:56:53] <jimpop> O.o[04:57:18] <StupidMop> n[05:01:37] <roe> haha[05:04:25] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:12:43] <lunaphyte> weird.[05:13:04] <jimpop> not so much, at least lately ;-)[05:13:09] <lunaphyte> it seems like you'd install amavis and properly configure it to make sure it was working before telling postfix to start sending mail through it.[05:14:00] <jimpop> topic needs to be updated to include wording around "previously working system" or such[05:15:51] <StupidMop> thanks to everyone for pointing me in the right direction... still not working, but i don't think it's a postfix issue at this point...[05:16:24] *** hparker has joined #postfix[05:19:11] *** thistle_ has quit IRC[05:19:24] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[05:20:12] *** thistle_ has joined #postfix[05:21:23] *** eckirchn has joined #postfix[05:26:10] *** eckirchn has quit IRC[05:29:00] *** eckirchn has joined #postfix[05:31:10] *** hparker has quit IRC[05:43:55] *** uqlev has quit IRC[05:45:17] *** eckirchn has quit IRC[05:49:45] *** Linex_ has quit IRC[05:49:58] *** Linex has joined #postfix[05:53:48] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:55:03] *** Linex has quit IRC[05:56:13] *** MAAAAAD has quit IRC[05:56:18] *** Linex has joined #postfix[06:06:37] *** Linex has quit IRC[06:06:43] *** Linex has joined #postfix[06:08:19] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[06:08:47] <StupidMop> Update: I can receive mail without a problem! Outgoing mail isn't being sent :-\[06:10:22] <StupidMop> li288-183 postfix/error[14198]: 1F1E5A995: to=<out at domain dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.05, delays=0.01/0/0/0.05, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)[06:12:26] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[06:12:26] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[06:43:50] *** _sp4wnr0ot has joined #postfix[06:44:21] <_sp4wnr0ot> ping[06:44:58] <Tabmow> !tell StupidMop topic[06:44:58] <knoba> StupidMop: "topic" : The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and postconf -n output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix[06:45:04] <_sp4wnr0ot> hi there, somebody knows if is it possible configure postfix to limit a quantity of e-mail sent by user ?[06:45:38] <_sp4wnr0ot> hi there, somebody knows if is it possible configure postfix to limit a quantity of e-mail sent by user ? without policyd[06:45:39] <_sp4wnr0ot> ?[06:46:17] <Tabmow> _sp4wnr0ot: I don't believe postfix has that ability[06:46:34] <_sp4wnr0ot> Tabmow, me too ![06:46:49] <_sp4wnr0ot> Do you know some MTA that can do this ?[06:47:06] <Tabmow> nope[06:47:20] <Tabmow> What is wrong with using policyd?[06:48:27] <_sp4wnr0ot> Tabmow, really, I'm trying to setting up , but returns a lot of 'sql' erros when start postfix , that's a mistake[06:50:15] <_sp4wnr0ot> Tabmow, some people says in google/forums that 'policyd' works, but it is a deprecated tool(I think so),[06:50:42] <_sp4wnr0ot> Tabmow, some people says, but anyone describes the working.[06:55:33] *** hever has joined #postfix[06:59:40] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[07:02:43] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[07:15:44] *** victor_ has quit IRC[07:15:50] *** victor has joined #postfix[07:16:23] *** Guip`aw has joined #postfix[07:17:10] <l1nuxman> can someone help me troubleshoot why I can't authenticate to my postfix server? I can connect and do auth plain or auth login and it prompts me but when I try the base64 values it always says '535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: ' http://pastebin.com/caADVvJH[07:17:31] *** Guip has quit IRC[07:32:03] <_sp4wnr0ot> Tabmow, The policyd doesnt work..[07:34:00] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[07:39:14] <_sp4wnr0ot> FoF[07:39:18] <_sp4wnr0ot> zzzzzzzzzzzz[07:39:20] *** _sp4wnr0ot has quit IRC[07:43:57] *** lusted_gay has joined #postfix[08:00:12] *** weedar has joined #postfix[08:03:55] *** creis has quit IRC[08:04:35] *** GpoMaL has quit IRC[08:05:07] *** GpoMaL has joined #postfix[08:05:51] *** creis has joined #postfix[08:12:08] *** uqlev has quit IRC[08:38:23] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:38:36] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[08:39:32] *** devurandom has joined #postfix[08:40:06] <devurandom> Hello![08:40:40] <devurandom> I get weird messages in my mail log: May 20 08:36:53 [postfix/smtpd] warning: 130.75.247.90: hostname ip90.247.mip.uni-hannover.de verification failed: Name or service not known \\ May 20 08:36:53 [postfix/smtpd] connect from unknown[130.75.247.90] \\[08:41:27] <devurandom> The host is not a spammer but my own machine and getent hosts <ip> / <hostname> returns the correct information.[08:41:37] <devurandom> What is postfix trying to tell me?[08:42:35] <devurandom> Or rather: what could be the cause of postfix thinking that the hostname cannot be resolved.[08:43:11] <sep> it does not reverse resolve for me[08:43:45] <devurandom> How did you test that? Also with getent?[08:44:28] <sep> host and dig[08:44:52] <devurandom> Dig shows me: 90.247.75.130.in-addr.arpa. 84600 IN PTR ip90.247.mip.uni-hannover.de.[08:45:12] <devurandom> For the default nameserver (same network: uni-hannover.de)[08:45:52] <sep> your not running that on the machine in question ? (perhaps the hosts file is tricking you); or perhaps you have a internal dns server for that revers zone that is not delegated from the isp[08:46:27] <devurandom> Google's @8.8.8.8 DNS Server also gives the same reply.[08:47:30] <sep> for me too. have it recently been created ? or recently failed so cache's have them stuck ?[08:48:04] <devurandom> I think that this record is probably very old. But I am not a maintainer of that network, so I dont know.[08:48:07] *** Motoko has quit IRC[08:48:37] <devurandom> The timestamp for the SOA record is 2009100502, so I think it hasnt been changed recently.[08:50:48] <devurandom> I also found other dns servers which do a correct lookup (94.75.228.29)[08:51:07] <devurandom> Plus the lookup works on the same machine where postfix runs, too.[08:51:31] <devurandom> Only postfix thinks that the name is not known. (or it searches for something different than I do)[08:56:24] <adaptr> !fcrdns[08:56:25] <knoba> adaptr: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[08:57:17] <sep> one of the 3 authorative servers deneb.dfn.de, does not know about the zone. the 2 others dns1.uni-hannover.de and dns2.uni-hannover.de. Does[08:59:42] <adaptr> the mip subdomain is not known to deneb[09:02:45] *** krzee has quit IRC[09:03:03] <Aprogas> Does Postfix even consult /etc/hosts ? I think getent doesn't do any DNS.[09:05:11] *** Xzisted has quit IRC[09:05:32] *** krzee has joined #postfix[09:05:32] <sep> well the 2 norwegian isp's recursive nameservers i tried did not revers resolve that one. (they resolved 130.75.2.100 and 130.75.2.99 fine)[09:10:10] <devurandom> Ok, I will send a mail to the net admins and tell them about the issue.[09:10:24] <devurandom> But still I wonder why only postfix sees the problem but neither dig nor host nor getent.[09:13:09] *** cilly has joined #postfix[09:17:47] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:18:32] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[09:22:13] *** weedar has quit IRC[09:24:03] *** weedar has joined #postfix[09:32:53] *** cilly has quit IRC[09:35:15] *** cilly has joined #postfix[09:49:29] *** weedar has quit IRC[09:53:02] *** cilly has quit IRC[09:57:26] *** weedar has joined #postfix[09:57:49] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[10:06:13] *** cilly has joined #postfix[10:09:28] *** breaker313 has joined #postfix[10:18:48] *** Lujeni has joined #postfix[10:20:52] *** johnnynobody has joined #postfix[10:21:23] *** n0sq has quit IRC[10:31:22] *** amir has quit IRC[10:34:40] *** johnnynobody has quit IRC[10:37:18] *** Linex has quit IRC[10:37:53] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[10:41:59] *** weedar has quit IRC[10:50:05] *** amir has joined #postfix[11:04:00] *** hever has quit IRC[11:06:04] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[11:17:29] *** e-anima has quit IRC[11:19:10] *** Linex has joined #postfix[11:22:46] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[11:23:41] *** gebi_ has joined #postfix[11:23:42] *** gebi has quit IRC[11:26:57] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:26:58] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:27:41] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[11:38:06] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:39:19] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[11:51:21] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[12:10:10] *** neorubenx has joined #postfix[12:10:43] <neorubenx> Hi, in transport_maps, how can I use yahoo.es smtp[''] another line yahoo.fr smtp[''] etc[12:10:52] <neorubenx> using only yahoo.* smtp[''] ?[12:10:56] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:14:16] *** cilly has quit IRC[12:15:34] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[12:17:42] *** Linex has quit IRC[12:20:12] <f3ew> you can't[12:20:32] <f3ew> oh, regexp or pcre[12:20:48] <f3ew> /yahoo\.(es|fr)$/ smtp:...][12:31:14] <neorubenx> interesting, but I get this one[12:31:16] <neorubenx> postmap: fatal: dict_mkmap_func: unsupported dictionary type: pcre does not allow map creation.[12:32:17] <neorubenx> do I need to do this¿[12:32:18] <neorubenx> postmap pcre:/etc/postfix/transport[12:33:27] <f3ew> no[12:33:42] <f3ew> you need postmap only for hash/dbm[12:35:05] <Aprogas> The downside is the entire pcre-table is loaded to memory, and you need to postfix reload to pick up changes,[12:35:12] <neorubenx> Ah, okey thanks, the last question, this will catch any yahoo.* so es,fr.pt,co.uk[12:35:15] <neorubenx> /yahoo\.*$/ ?[12:35:34] <Aprogas> It will also catch yahoo.sub.example.net[12:35:47] <Aprogas> Or even fooyahoo.sub.example.net[12:35:56] <neorubenx> then, how to do any yahoo.* ?[12:36:48] <Aprogas> I'd use something like /^(.*\.)?yahoo\.[^.]+$/[12:37:28] <Aprogas> Maybe change that first * into a + as well[12:38:51] <neorubenx> this is possible too?[12:38:54] <neorubenx> / at yahoo\ dot [^.]+$/ ?[12:43:27] <Aprogas> Yes, but that won't catch subdomains of yahoo; by the way, it won't catch yahoo.co.uk either[12:45:32] <Aprogas> / at ( dot *\.)?yahoo\.(..\.)?[^.]+$/ I think that will catch subdomains, will also catch yahoo.co.uk, but not yahoo.example.net[12:46:14] <neorubenx> ok thanks, it's not easy then hehehe :)[12:46:41] <neorubenx> to cacht .domain + .sub.domain to like .es,.pt and .co.uk (I don't know others).[12:49:07] *** ionte has quit IRC[12:49:11] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[12:49:46] *** UQlev has quit IRC[12:49:57] *** ionte has joined #postfix[12:50:49] *** breaker313 has quit IRC[12:55:06] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[12:56:40] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:58:08] <neorubenx> ok thank you Aprogas, I will see then since now I have a better idea how to do it.[13:00:00] *** StupidMop has quit IRC[13:02:20] *** davlefou has quit IRC[13:03:39] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[13:14:30] *** neonoe has quit IRC[13:14:51] *** neonoe has joined #postfix[13:19:59] *** gebi_ has quit IRC[13:20:17] *** TomH0me has joined #postfix[13:21:32] *** TomHome has quit IRC[13:25:25] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[13:32:41] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[13:33:42] *** davlefou has quit IRC[13:34:39] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[13:36:12] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[13:51:52] *** cilly has joined #postfix[13:54:03] *** thunderstrike1 has joined #postfix[14:02:18] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[14:02:21] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[14:02:21] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[14:07:18] *** david_ has joined #postfix[14:09:13] *** davlefou has quit IRC[14:19:45] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[14:19:54] *** MatBoy has quit IRC[14:20:13] *** MatBoy has joined #postfix[14:20:30] *** thunderstrike1 has quit IRC[14:36:52] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[14:40:48] *** david_ has quit IRC[14:44:15] *** hparker has joined #postfix[14:44:16] *** hparker has joined #postfix[14:50:58] *** empity has joined #postfix[14:56:54] *** davlefou has quit IRC[14:57:24] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[14:59:26] *** gebi has joined #postfix[15:02:34] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:05:00] *** neorubenx has quit IRC[15:05:05] *** neorubenx has joined #postfix[15:11:23] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[15:15:20] *** davlefou has quit IRC[15:15:22] *** gebi has quit IRC[15:17:55] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[15:20:09] *** TomH0me has quit IRC[15:32:59] *** mroe has joined #postfix[15:32:59] *** mroe has joined #postfix[15:33:28] *** mroe has quit IRC[15:34:01] *** jwing has quit IRC[15:36:01] *** ScorpiusLetalis has quit IRC[15:36:19] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:36:55] *** ScorpiusLetalis has joined #postfix[15:39:16] <l1nuxman> can someone help me troubleshoot why I can't authenticate to my postfix server? I can connect and do auth plain or auth login and it prompts me but when I try the base64 values it always says '535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: ' http://pastebin.com/caADVvJH[15:39:23] *** krion has joined #postfix[15:40:18] <lunaphyte_> !tell l1nuxman priorities[15:40:18] <knoba> l1nuxman: "priorities" : LOGS are almost *always* the primary thing you should be focusing on providing. unless someone has specifically told you logs are not needed, do not bother collecting other information until after you have a clear log snippit demonstrating what you are asking for help with. also see !logs, !no_logs, and !relevant_logs.[15:41:34] *** jwing has joined #postfix[15:47:01] *** davlefou has quit IRC[15:47:09] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:47:30] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[15:49:54] <rob0> !methodology[15:49:55] <knoba> rob0: Error: "methodology" is not a valid command.[15:51:40] <rob0> !learn methodology as Many questions here are from people using flawed methods to test their system. Often if the test is done correctly, the results differ.[15:53:02] <lunaphyte_> i've been considering a !debate factoid recently too.[15:53:18] <lunaphyte_> and there was another one the crossed my mind the other day, but now i've forgotten it.[15:53:22] <lunaphyte_> *that[15:59:03] <rob0> !forgotten[15:59:03] <knoba> rob0: Error: "forgotten" is not a valid command.[16:02:10] <l1nuxman> ok so I can log in apparently base64 doesn't do the job but the perl base64 does[16:02:32] <neorubenx> Uhmm, if I need to use email to send only email, do I need to configure smtpd etc for something? (firewall open 25 port etc)[16:02:39] <l1nuxman> but I can't email from my ISP to that domain. Given my config any clues?[16:02:58] <lunaphyte_> ah, maybe that was it - !bulldozer[16:04:39] *** leprechau has joined #postfix[16:07:09] <neorubenx> any idea?[16:07:55] <lunaphyte_> neorubenx: if you only need to send mail, you don't need a mail server for that.[16:08:11] <lunaphyte_> [e.g. you don't need postfix][16:10:21] <l1nuxman> should I use mynetwork_style = subnet instead of mynetworks=127.0.0.0 ?[16:10:45] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[16:10:55] <lunaphyte_> huh? what are you talking about? leave mynetwork_style alone.[16:11:44] <l1nuxman> I can't email from another network to this one[16:12:29] <lunaphyte_> so far it seems you're ignoring the requests from the people you're asking for help from.[16:13:01] <l1nuxman> why I provided my postconf -n[16:13:16] <l1nuxman> and I don't get any errors[16:13:30] <lunaphyte_> no one asked if you got any errors.[16:13:51] <l1nuxman> I'm sorry what was it that you wanted to see[16:14:21] <lunaphyte_> read your scrollback. i'm too busy to spend time repeating myself.[16:15:05] <l1nuxman> logs[16:15:27] <l1nuxman> but what information are you wanting from the logs and which one mail.log?[16:16:07] <l1nuxman> why would anything be logged to postfix if email doesn't reach it[16:17:59] <lunaphyte_> aha, a clue, finally.[16:18:34] <lunaphyte_> so if you read the factoid i originally shared with you, then you would have seen the factoids referenced in it, which you could then summon and read[16:18:55] <l1nuxman> hehe[16:18:59] <l1nuxman> !nologs[16:18:59] <knoba> l1nuxman: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[16:19:05] <lunaphyte_> there we go.[16:19:38] <l1nuxman> !logs[16:19:38] <knoba> l1nuxman: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf should tell you where logs are going. also see !no_logs and !have2mung[16:20:46] <neorubenx> lunaphyte_: ok thanks[16:21:00] <lunaphyte_> neorubenx: sure thing[16:21:01] <neorubenx> how can I read an email that is un queue? I think that is spam[16:21:04] *** david_ has joined #postfix[16:21:18] <rob0> !postcat[16:21:18] <knoba> rob0: "postcat" : a command for printing the contents of a mail in the queue. See "man postcat".[16:21:22] <lunaphyte_> !tell neorubenx nullclient[16:21:22] <knoba> neorubenx: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[16:23:42] *** davlefou has quit IRC[16:23:44] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[16:25:48] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[16:26:58] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[16:36:50] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[16:36:50] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[16:38:06] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[16:39:07] *** ScorpiusLetalis has quit IRC[16:39:58] *** ScorpiusLetalis has joined #postfix[16:40:04] *** cpm has quit IRC[16:40:28] *** cpm has joined #postfix[16:41:23] *** jokoon has joined #postfix[16:48:34] *** jokoon has quit IRC[16:49:37] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:53:35] *** david__ has joined #postfix[16:57:18] <l1nuxman> lunaphyte, so I dunno yet. If I do an nslookup of my domain my MX record is good and all[16:57:32] *** david_ has quit IRC[16:57:41] <lunaphyte_> what is your domain?[16:57:49] <l1nuxman> epilepsycureinitiative.ca[16:57:51] <lunaphyte_> on a side note, nslookup sucks. use dig.[16:58:30] <patdk-wk> telnet smtp.epilepsycureinitiative.ca 25[16:58:30] <patdk-wk> Trying 97.107.129.239...[16:58:30] <patdk-wk> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused[16:58:39] <l1nuxman> 587[16:58:51] <patdk-wk> mx doesn't work very well on 587 :)[16:59:10] <lunaphyte_> how are you going to get mail from other mail servers by listening on the submission port?[16:59:28] <rob0> !mx[16:59:28] <knoba> rob0: "mx" : Mail eXchanger : See the !mxrecord channel factoid if you're looking for definition of MX record[16:59:30] <l1nuxman> hmm true I guess hehe. Then how can I use the submission port as well?[16:59:45] <lunaphyte_> use the submission port as well for what?[16:59:50] <rob0> stop asking questions and start defining needs[16:59:50] <patdk-wk> everyone else uses mx port 25[16:59:54] <patdk-wk> you use 587[17:00:31] <l1nuxman> I use port 25 because my ISP prevents me from logging into any other smtp server(25)[17:00:38] <l1nuxman> port *587[17:00:46] <lunaphyte_> huh?[17:00:54] <lunaphyte_> you don't "log into" other smtp servers.[17:01:05] <lunaphyte_> besides, what does that have to do with receiving email?[17:01:06] <rob0> What. Do. You. Want. To. Do.[17:01:18] <patdk-wk> rule the world![17:01:37] <l1nuxman> rob0, a mail server to send and receive mail[17:01:52] <l1nuxman> I can authenticate now with smtp on 587 and 110[17:02:17] <l1nuxman> couldn't with 25 because ISP blocks that[17:02:18] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: mail servers send mail on port 25. if you want to receive mail, postfix *must* listen on port 25.[17:02:32] <rob0> To receive mail for epilepsycureinitiative.ca ^^[17:02:39] <patdk-wk> l1nuxman, so you probably want to *upgrade* to a business class isp[17:02:56] <rob0> Post 25 inbound is rarely blocked.[17:03:11] <rob0> !methodology[17:03:12] <knoba> rob0: "methodology" : Many questions here are from people using flawed methods to test their system. Often if the test is done correctly, the results differ.[17:03:13] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman needs to learn the distinction between different directions of traffic.[17:03:23] <patdk-wk> rob0, he won't be *sending* email if port 25 outbound is blocked :)[17:03:31] <rob0> not true:[17:03:34] <rob0> !relayhost[17:03:34] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[17:03:51] <rob0> !port_25_block[17:03:52] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[17:03:52] *** enhance-2k has joined #postfix[17:04:09] <lunaphyte_> so far, he has complained that he can't connect to other mail servers, yet somehow seems to have decided that a problem like that is preventing him from receiving mail.[17:04:29] <l1nuxman> lol[17:04:30] <rob0> anyway, ISTM that the first step would be to get the MX working for inbound.[17:04:32] <lunaphyte_> once he learns the two concepts are orthogonal, he'll perhaps make some further progress[17:05:04] <patdk-wk> and I thought inbound email was pop, and outgoing used 587 :)[17:05:20] <l1nuxman> if I want to send email from that domain, I have to authenticate to 587 no?[17:05:35] <lunaphyte_> gak! he's not ready for humor yet! you're going to confuse him![17:05:41] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: no[17:05:42] <patdk-wk> no[17:05:56] <l1nuxman> because 25 is blocked[17:06:02] <l1nuxman> for outbound[17:06:54] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: as rob0 has already said - work out *RECEIVING* mail first. THEN look into sending mail.[17:07:02] <lunaphyte_> ONE thing at a time.[17:07:08] <lunaphyte_> modular concepts.[17:07:12] <l1nuxman> ok so should i disable the submission port?[17:07:16] <rob0> Again, if no host anywhere in the world is accepting mail on port 25 for users at epilepsycureinitiative dot ca, you will not have the ability to participate in global email.[17:07:38] <rob0> Right now that seems to be the case.[17:07:42] <l1nuxman> ok[17:07:44] <lunaphyte_> disable submission if you want, or leave it if you want. it has NOTHING to do with anything as far as receiving email goes.[17:08:11] <l1nuxman> hmmm[17:08:16] <rob0> Maybe some wikipedia basics about what email is and how it works would be a better use of your time.[17:08:23] <lunaphyte_> hear hear[17:08:34] <rob0> You're certainly not getting anywhere here.[17:08:49] <l1nuxman> I am[17:09:03] <l1nuxman> I do know some basics[17:09:19] <rob0> Haw many days have you been at this? And just today found out that you were going at it all wrong?[17:09:21] <lunaphyte_> stop debating please.[17:09:31] *** mazpe has left #postfix[17:11:06] <l1nuxman> rob0, the MX record is working[17:11:22] <lunaphyte_> it doesn't matter.[17:11:49] <l1nuxman> i can connect to 110 and list and stuff[17:12:02] <l1nuxman> just nothing gets there from outside[17:12:07] <lunaphyte_> who told you the mx record has anything to do with port 110?[17:12:24] <lunaphyte_> who told you port 110 has anything to do with sending or receiving email?[17:12:28] <rob0> No, you do not know enough basics, as your debate has proven.[17:12:31] *** jokoon has joined #postfix[17:12:43] <lunaphyte_> and more importantly, WHY in god's name are you using pop3? it's 2011, ffs.[17:12:48] <l1nuxman> 110 is pop3[17:12:59] <lunaphyte_> no shit, sherlock.[17:13:03] <lunaphyte_> no one asked.[17:13:03] <rob0> !pop3[17:13:03] <knoba> rob0: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol ). Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[17:13:10] <lunaphyte_> there is no service listening on port 25 at 97.107.129.239[17:13:20] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: there is no service listening on port 25 at 97.107.129.239[17:13:22] <patdk-wk> or the isp blocked it :)[17:13:35] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: there is no accessible listening on port 25 at 97.107.129.239[17:13:41] <rob0> No, it's linode, they do not block inbound 25.[17:13:50] <rob0> And they WILL open outbound 25.[17:13:53] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman is NOT listening.[17:14:07] <l1nuxman> I'm here[17:14:23] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: there is no service accessible on port 25 at 97.107.129.239[17:14:43] <l1nuxman> so I have to change the port # I guess[17:14:54] <lunaphyte_> change *what* port number?[17:15:08] <rob0> !basic[17:15:08] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[17:15:12] *** jokoon has quit IRC[17:15:24] <l1nuxman> postfix is listening now on 587[17:15:35] <lunaphyte_> stop telling us that.[17:15:39] <lunaphyte_> we know.[17:15:51] *** david__ has quit IRC[17:15:53] <lunaphyte_> and we've told you REPEATEDLY that it is irrelevant.[17:15:54] <rob0> scrap the config you did and start over with !basic[17:15:54] <l1nuxman> so change that so its on 25[17:15:58] <lunaphyte_> no[17:16:07] <l1nuxman> ok I will start over[17:16:18] <l1nuxman> I went through that config though[17:16:34] <rob0> lunaphyte_: http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/SELF2011-Schedule-Cleaned.pdf look at Saturday 10:15[17:16:48] <lunaphyte_> l1nuxman: show master.cf without comments, and postconf -n[17:17:10] *** david__ has joined #postfix[17:17:12] <rob0> Everything you did on the existing config was based on fatal misunderstandings of what was necessary.[17:17:22] <lunaphyte_> rob0: HEY! :)[17:17:55] <rob0> Hecklers are welcome. :)[17:18:02] *** ced117 has quit IRC[17:18:19] <rob0> In fact I wish I could get the Muppet old-men hecklers to come.[17:18:39] <cpm> heh[17:19:03] <lunaphyte_> sc? too far, or i'd come throw windows install cds at you.[17:19:43] <rob0> SC is far for me too, but I will be carpooling from Tuxaloosa, AL.[17:21:25] <l1nuxman> lunaphyte, http://pastebin.com/KtYK2wB1[17:22:45] <patdk-wk> that is a lot of config failure[17:23:19] <l1nuxman> :( k[17:23:37] <patdk-wk> I would start over[17:24:01] <rob0> !xy[17:24:01] <knoba> rob0: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[17:24:08] <rob0> !goal[17:24:08] <knoba> rob0: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[17:24:28] <rob0> (those would have been useful a few days ago)[17:25:01] <l1nuxman> hehe[17:25:17] <l1nuxman> I'm sorry[17:27:18] <lunaphyte_> well, i don't know, it's not all that bad, i guess.[17:27:44] <lunaphyte_> just comment out submission and uncomment smtp, to put it back the way it was[17:27:54] <lunaphyte_> and get rid of the gd -v crap at the end.[17:28:19] <rob0> you might end up wanting submission later, once the basic part is working[17:28:30] <lunaphyte_> he can re enable it then.[17:28:38] <lunaphyte_> he needs more exercise.[17:30:34] *** LoRez has quit IRC[17:30:40] <lunaphyte_> also, from your pastebin, remove the following lines - 37, 39, 41, 44, 45, 46, 47, 52, 53, 54, and 55-64[17:30:56] <lunaphyte_> then you will be back to a basic, sane starting point.[17:31:09] <lunaphyte_> then get *incoming* email working.[17:34:09] *** sbeam has quit IRC[17:35:26] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[17:39:41] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[17:40:42] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:41:44] *** Rez has joined #postfix[17:43:53] *** david__ has quit IRC[17:43:54] *** Rez is now known as LoRez[17:47:15] <l1nuxman> ok thanks let me do that[17:53:04] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:53:05] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:54:30] *** ScorpiusLetalis has quit IRC[17:55:25] *** ScorpiusLetalis has joined #postfix[18:01:21] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[18:03:33] *** johnnynobody has joined #postfix[18:04:51] *** n0sq has quit IRC[18:04:55] <l1nuxman> so yea it works now :P[18:05:00] <l1nuxman> incoming mail[18:06:03] *** enhance-2k has quit IRC[18:06:08] *** digitolx has joined #postfix[18:07:17] *** davlefou has quit IRC[18:09:15] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[18:09:38] *** ssureshot has quit IRC[18:15:06] *** jujugre has left #postfix[18:23:41] *** enhance-2k has joined #postfix[18:23:48] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[18:25:20] *** krion has quit IRC[18:26:46] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:29:02] *** david__ has joined #postfix[18:30:23] *** micols has quit IRC[18:30:54] *** sbeam has quit IRC[18:32:45] *** cafuego has quit IRC[18:33:13] *** cafuego has joined #postfix[18:33:24] *** davlefou has quit IRC[18:42:41] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[18:47:37] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:47:39] *** mambaw has joined #postfix[18:48:35] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[18:50:58] *** Kartagis has left #postfix[18:52:30] *** david__ has quit IRC[18:53:29] *** matadore has joined #postfix[18:53:39] <matadore> hello guys[18:53:58] <matadore> am trying to build postfix from source... is there any way to skip the installation questions?[18:55:37] <lunaphyte_> what on earth are you talking about?[18:56:55] <matadore> lunaphyte_: : am installing postfix 2.8 from src .tar.gz ... its asking installation questions[18:57:04] <lunaphyte_> prive it.[18:57:07] <lunaphyte_> *prove it[18:57:08] <matadore> am trying to avoid and skip that and just make ; make install .. and have it default[18:57:50] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[18:58:46] <thumbs> matadore: why?[18:58:56] <seekwill> why not???[18:59:28] <jumperboy> matadore: you can set some defaults with make install html_directory=/usr/local/doc/postfix/html etc.[18:59:32] <matadore> because am making a auto installer/configuration script.. i got everything apache etc pretty much automated.. and i want to skip questions[19:02:40] <jumperboy> you should also see how it's packaged for some distros, might be helpful[19:05:53] <rob0> there is a packager README[19:06:46] <rob0> !package[19:06:46] <knoba> rob0: Error: "package" is not a valid command.[19:06:51] *** ced117 has quit IRC[19:07:27] <rob0> !learn package as Guidelines for building a Postfix binary package from source: http://www.postfix.org/PACKAGE_README.html[19:09:01] <matadore> jumperboy: yea am using debian .. i checked otu apt-get .. 2.7 installs good.. but when doing 2.8 .. its asking to upgrade gblic, kernel and all other stuff not needed[19:10:13] <jumperboy> dependency checking is a bitch...[19:10:19] * jumperboy uses slackware[19:11:08] <jumperboy> matadore: any particular reason you want 2.8?[19:11:37] <rob0> postscreen maybe?[19:11:54] <jumperboy> isn't that in 2.7, also?[19:12:04] *** gebi has joined #postfix[19:12:16] <patdk-wk> it's beta in 2.7[19:12:39] <jumperboy> ah, officially in 2.8[19:12:56] <rob0> no, it was in 2.7 prerelease snapshots, removed from the release.[19:13:17] <matadore> am just helping out my programmer, he says 2.7 has some kinda bug.. and 2.8 fixes issues[19:13:31] <rob0> huh, what "bug"?[19:13:37] <jumperboy> yeah, what bug?[19:13:55] <jumperboy> never trust a programmer!!![19:14:37] <rob0> There was a minor one which existed since 2.2, but patches were released for every supported version.[19:15:06] <rob0> (And I think even for unsupported versions too.)[19:15:41] <jumperboy> the Cyrus SASL bug has been fixed, should be fixed in debian's package, too[19:15:55] * cpm unsupports rob0[19:16:05] <matadore> he is afk now, when he answers ill get back to you with that answer[19:16:16] <jumperboy> rob0: pull your supporter back up![19:16:17] <rob0> ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/mirrors/postfix-release/index.html[19:17:20] *** micols has joined #postfix[19:17:38] <rob0> that bug dated back to 2.0, and patches were issued for 2.0 through 2.4 (unsupported versions)[19:17:58] <robtone> Oh, I am too long at work. I've just read porncupine.[19:18:14] <seekwill> porn?[19:19:00] <thumbs> robtone: you work with porcupine?[19:19:08] *** david__ has joined #postfix[19:19:21] <robtone> thumbs, no.[19:19:27] <thumbs> robtone: oh, good.[19:19:33] <robtone> I just mean, I have had a freudian read-typo[19:19:48] <seekwill> That sounds serious[19:20:00] <thumbs> seekwill: I'm always serious.[19:20:02] *** davlefou has quit IRC[19:20:05] <seekwill> grr![19:22:14] <rob0> And stop calling him Shirley![19:23:02] <rob0> seekwill, get your company to pay for a boondoggle to SELF http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/[19:26:36] <thumbs> rob0: you live in alabama ?[19:27:08] <rob0> thumbs: affirmative[19:27:12] <thumbs> rob0: pm[19:27:17] <rob0> k[19:35:41] <jimpop> rob0: what's your connection to SELF?[19:35:47] *** enhance-2k has quit IRC[19:36:18] <rob0> none really, but I just got signed up as a last-minute bottom-of-the-barrel speaker :)[19:36:35] <jimpop> awesome[19:36:49] <rob0> you coming? Hecklers will be appreciated. :)[19:37:09] <jimpop> i know some of the self guys from when myself and others put on ALF (Atlanta Linux Festival)[19:37:24] <jimpop> rob0: there is a good chance that i may be there.[19:37:35] <rob0> my talk will be about Postfix & postscreen[19:37:37] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:37:54] <jimpop> nice[19:38:37] <jimpop> since linode is a sponsor of self, you should work them into your preso under a topic of "port 25 blocking"[19:38:46] <jimpop> ;-)[19:38:58] *** empity has quit IRC[19:39:37] <rob0> haha[19:40:06] *** empity has joined #postfix[19:42:35] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[19:44:21] <seekwill> Linode blocks port25?[19:44:31] <jimpop> no no[19:44:53] <jimpop> linode is an alternative if you are a small guy trying to learn/use postfix[19:45:11] <seekwill> Or email...[19:45:27] <rob0> We were told here that Linode blocks 25, but consider the source of that. :)[19:45:29] <jimpop> if more people used linode, this chan, and the mailinglist, would get fewer port25 issues[19:46:00] <jimpop> rob0: i think they block by default, you just have to ask them to open it[19:46:24] <seekwill> Incoming or outgoing?[19:46:28] <rob0> that's reasonable[19:46:31] <jimpop> out[19:46:39] <seekwill> oh[19:46:47] <jimpop> which is a good thing to do by default[19:47:05] <jimpop> if the do in fact do that.[19:48:15] *** david__ has quit IRC[19:48:41] <seekwill> Is that a new policy? My Linode didn't have any issues[19:49:02] *** empity has quit IRC[19:49:11] <jimpop> i'm not sure. i've only heard it mentioned once before[19:49:40] <jimpop> i doubt they would publish that fact, although if it exists i think they should get an award[19:49:51] *** Cain has quit IRC[19:50:38] *** david__ has joined #postfix[19:53:47] *** Cain has joined #postfix[19:56:18] *** johnnynobody has quit IRC[19:58:05] <seekwill> Looks fine on my linode... I don't recall ever asking them to unblock it[19:59:32] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[20:00:35] *** Lujeni has quit IRC[20:00:55] *** david__ has quit IRC[20:01:25] <jimpop> can't easily find anything certain... perhaps they dont[20:02:04] <seekwill> So you're spreading rumors???[20:02:16] <jimpop> it's what i do best[20:02:31] <lunaphyte> i heard there was this dude from nantucket...[20:02:45] <seekwill> And?[20:02:47] <jimpop> i heard he had a bucket...[20:02:53] <lunaphyte> he kept all his bits in a bucket.[20:05:05] <rob0> I got thrown out of a boarding house for spreading roomers.[20:05:21] <jimpop> keeping all your bits in a bucket implies port retention, aka port blocking, no?[20:10:29] *** shoonya has quit IRC[20:15:12] <seekwill> Slackware sucks[20:18:22] *** Dessa has quit IRC[20:18:22] *** Dessa has joined #postfix[20:19:10] *** byronb has joined #postfix[20:22:36] <thumbs> seekwill: shush[20:22:50] <seekwill> It took 7 minutes... geez[20:27:05] *** gebi has quit IRC[20:29:15] *** gebi has joined #postfix[20:36:12] <adaptr> suckwill slacks seekware[20:37:04] <seekwill> Ubuntu++[20:37:37] <adaptr> you can ++ Ubuntu all day long, it still won't rise out of the red[20:37:49] <seekwill> I run PHP off Ubuntu![20:37:50] <thumbs> adaptr: ubuntu is right up with seekwill's skill, I say.[20:38:01] <adaptr> true[20:38:25] <adaptr> seekwill: Ubuntu called, they want their installation CD for idiots back.[20:50:40] <seekwill> haha[20:52:52] <adaptr> oh wait, that's all their CDs[20:58:07] <Corey> Oh be nice. :-)[20:58:33] <Corey> Once I worked around a few of the hairier bugs in Lucid, it's been quite nice in my environment.[21:05:20] <lunaphyte_> i updated two servers from 10.10 to 11.04 yesterday. both broke so badly that they wouldn't boot beyond grub, and after being fixed, one also a completely hosed console.[21:05:28] *** busta has joined #postfix[21:06:08] <lunaphyte_> plus, 11.04 did not upgrade from bind 9.7 to 9.8.[21:09:24] <seekwill> My 10.04 -> 11.04 didn't go smoothly, but I think my box is broken[21:09:58] *** marchelly has quit IRC[21:16:04] *** gebi has quit IRC[21:17:36] <jimpop> my 10.10 -> 11.04 went smooth, full encryption and all.[21:18:42] <jimpop> i not so sure that ubuntu tests upgrades beyond 1st previous version[21:21:29] *** matadore has quit IRC[21:29:10] *** Ashutto has joined #postfix[21:29:13] <Ashutto> Hello[21:30:47] *** cilly has joined #postfix[21:32:42] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:39:14] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[21:50:00] *** cilly has quit IRC[21:50:14] *** p3rror has quit IRC[21:53:29] *** cilly has joined #postfix[21:54:36] <adaptr> yes ?[22:00:40] <seekwill> no![22:01:30] <adaptr> oh, okay[22:01:49] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[22:02:51] <Fallenou> Hi, I'm having this error message in my postfix logs : warning: premature end-of-input on 192.168.1.97:60000 while reading input attribute name[22:03:10] <Fallenou> and spamd is telling me : spamd: bad protocol: header error: request=smtpd_access_policy[22:03:14] <Dominian> what is on 60000?[22:03:14] <Fallenou> any clue ?[22:03:17] <Fallenou> dunno[22:03:24] <Dominian> is spamd on port 60000?[22:03:34] <Fallenou> yes and 10024[22:03:42] <Fallenou> but I can't find any reference to 60000 in the conf[22:03:57] <Fallenou> I started two instances of spamd[22:04:01] <Dominian> what's with the header error bitching about smtpd_access_policy...[22:04:16] <robtone> sounds like spamd doesnt like to be a policy server[22:05:36] <Fallenou> I'm really head banging my wall right now[22:06:00] <Fallenou> I've always had troubles with postfix/spamassassin/clamav conf :/[22:06:54] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[22:06:54] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[22:06:58] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[22:08:16] <adaptr> Fallenou: they have very little in common. practice proper problem isolation standards.[22:08:18] <Fallenou> btw the configuration was working before, we just created a new VM from scratch for spamassassin[22:08:22] <Fallenou> and copied the conf[22:08:37] <adaptr> Fallenou: that's always a useless excuse[22:08:41] <Fallenou> so it might be minor tweaking dunno[22:08:46] <adaptr> if YOU don't know WHY it works, then it shouldn't work[22:08:50] <adaptr> fuck no.[22:08:56] <adaptr> go run MS software please[22:10:52] *** sp4wnr0ot has joined #postfix[22:12:08] <seekwill> ouch[22:12:15] <sp4wnr0ot> ping[22:12:16] <Section1> hah[22:12:35] <sp4wnr0ot> hi guys, I did this question yesterday and nobody answered me[22:12:53] <seekwill> sp4wnr0ot: We can't hear you, that's why[22:12:56] <adaptr> seekwill: if "tweaking shit til it works" is what he wants, he needs to run MS software.[22:13:20] <seekwill> I tweaking[22:13:45] <sp4wnr0ot> somebody knows if is it possible configure postfix to limit e-mails sent by users daily ?[22:13:55] <Fallenou> OK let's be simple and clear[22:14:05] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: no.[22:14:06] <Fallenou> does anyone know why I have this error message ?[22:14:13] <jimpop> seekwill: haha[22:14:17] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: kkkk, nice[22:14:19] <adaptr> Fallenou: it is not an error message[22:14:25] <Fallenou> yes it is[22:14:29] <adaptr> no, it is not.[22:14:32] <adaptr> it is a warning[22:14:42] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: but some people talk about the plugin policyd , but i test this , but doesnt work[22:14:51] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: yes it does[22:15:10] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: have you ever use this plugin ?[22:15:10] <Fallenou> anyway stop playing on words[22:15:14] <Fallenou> error or warning whatever[22:15:21] <jimpop> :-)[22:15:25] <Fallenou> it just does not relay any email anymore[22:15:25] <adaptr> Fallenou: go ask in #spamass[22:15:30] <Fallenou> kthx[22:15:37] <seekwill> bai![22:15:43] <adaptr> Ling ?[22:16:00] <rob0> The question, sp4wnr0ot, is poorly thought out. How do you define "users"? And yes indeed, a policy service is [probably (because the need is not well defined)] the way to go, and if you do it right, it works![22:16:29] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: I'd implemented but this doesn't work, I set this doesnt work[22:16:41] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: then you did it wrong[22:16:50] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: i don't know if some special with the version that i test[22:16:57] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: but doesn't work[22:17:12] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[22:17:14] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: you did it wrong. stop blamig the software[22:17:29] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: Which version of policyd are you test ?[22:17:32] <seekwill> sp4wnr0ot: Blame adaptr[22:17:39] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: I don't use policyd[22:17:44] <rob0> adaptr: blame seekwill[22:17:51] * adaptr blames cpm[22:18:10] <rob0> cpm's unable to defend :([22:18:15] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: nice[22:18:33] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: so, how can you affirm that this works ?[22:18:46] <adaptr> because it is a known fact. and documented.[22:19:41] <rob0> People I know and respect develop and use policyd. Someone I don't know shows up in IRC claiming that it doesn't.[22:20:03] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: this is the wrong to affirm because in the documentation, they talk about this "feature" in accounting session but not confirm this functionality and they say "experimental"[22:20:09] <jimpop> well, then it's obviously *your* problem rob0[22:20:13] <jimpop> :-)[22:20:21] * rob0 sulks[22:20:34] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: do you have a postfix issue we can help you with ?[22:20:46] <rob0> adaptr: I found a bug[22:20:53] <adaptr> orly[22:21:06] <adaptr> keep it close, it'll be worth money someday[22:21:29] <rob0> thanks, I will. And it will keep me company as long as it lives![22:21:42] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: yeap, I'd like to setting up postfix to limit e-mail sent by users per day.[22:21:47] <adaptr> wait, you have to feed it ?[22:21:51] <rob0> oops, it looks like it died. :([22:21:55] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: this is not possible, as I already told you[22:22:08] <seekwill> sp4wnr0ot: why?[22:22:19] <adaptr> sp4wnr0ot: but do read the postfix documentation that explains how the policy interface works[22:22:24] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: without policyd , like other alternative, but if doesn't exist tks for you time and patient[22:22:27] <adaptr> because you haven't[22:22:40] <adaptr> oh, you're an idiot. I'm so sorry[22:23:32] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: tks for help and your time, fucking fag[22:23:40] <adaptr> ah, a bandidate[22:23:48] <sp4wnr0ot> adaptr: suck my balls too[22:23:52] <rob0> sp4wnr0ot: That is not tolerated here.[22:23:53] <jimpop> lol[22:23:54] <adaptr> are the salty[22:23:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rob0[22:24:05] *** rob0 sets mode: +q sp4wnr0ot!*@*[22:24:15] *** sp4wnr0ot has left #postfix[22:24:30] <seekwill> lol[22:25:29] *** rob0 sets mode: -q sp4wnr0ot!*@*[22:26:07] *** rob0 sets mode: +b *!*@c906d656.virtua.com.br[22:27:13] *** rob0 was kicked by rob0 (you louse)[22:27:17] *** rob0 has joined #postfix[22:29:49] <seekwill> what a louser[22:29:59] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[22:30:21] *** pj has joined #postfix[22:30:35] <adaptr> wuss[22:30:39] <adaptr> bans are for life![22:35:49] <jimpop> so is stupidity ;-)[22:37:02] <adaptr> but shorter[22:37:21] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[22:40:28] <jimpop> bans are imposed, stupidity is carried[22:41:58] <adaptr> bans are dominant, stupidity is recessive[22:42:05] <adaptr> or was it the other way round ?[22:42:25] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[22:42:39] *** hever has joined #postfix[22:42:41] <jimpop> i think it depends on the time of day[22:44:20] *** hever has quit IRC[22:45:47] *** hever has joined #postfix[22:51:33] *** sbeam has quit IRC[22:52:19] *** cpm has joined #postfix[22:52:20] *** cpm has joined #postfix[22:54:50] *** hever has quit IRC[23:00:39] *** pj has quit IRC[23:01:59] *** cilly has quit IRC[23:02:03] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[23:04:54] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[23:09:25] *** marchelly has joined #postfix[23:09:52] *** cilly has joined #postfix[23:12:07] *** busta has quit IRC[23:13:03] *** krzie has quit IRC[23:16:50] <seekwill> thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs thumbs[23:16:59] <thumbs> what?[23:17:21] <adaptr> he's like thumber, the rabbit from Bambi[23:17:29] <adaptr> or rabbi from Bambit[23:18:33] *** krzie has joined #postfix[23:19:01] <seekwill> thumbs reminds me of bambi[23:20:32] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[23:22:10] *** Ashutto has quit IRC[23:22:23] * adaptr stuffs seekWill into a tree[23:23:26] *** e-anima has quit IRC[23:25:28] *** cilly has quit IRC[23:32:46] *** Lenhix has joined #postfix[23:32:58] *** ced117 has quit IRC[23:33:41] <seekwill> Don't stop the music![23:34:43] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:44:53] *** astromme has quit IRC[23:44:54] *** Seta00 has quit IRC[23:44:57] *** astromme has joined #postfix[23:46:00] *** Seta00 has joined #postfix[23:46:11] *** Niemi has quit IRC[23:47:36] *** hever has joined #postfix[23:47:37] *** mambaw has quit IRC[23:48:11] *** hever has quit IRC[23:49:24] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[23:50:46] *** higuita has quit IRC[23:51:22] *** Section1 has quit IRC[23:52:25] *** sphenxes has quit IRC