May 13, 2011 
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May 13, 2011 [00:00:07] <jludwig> so my firewall has port 25 opened for sure and the folks at dyndns said my DNS was right[00:00:15] <jimpop> but, to reiterate, DNS says that email should be handled by mail.jludwig.net (which isn't 76.254.16.92)[00:00:17] <jludwig> It must be my nat D:[00:00:29] <seekwill> Read what jimpop said[00:00:48] <jludwig> jimpop: thanks[00:00:54] <jimpop> np, bw[00:02:08] <wacky> adaptr: But whether a daemon is started in advance, or on demand, is not relevant to the discussion. Choosing which daemon to receive the message and the context in which it operates is based on a two level table lookup. First, the recipient is looked up in "transport" and a service name is determined. These names are arbitrary. They are used as the key to look up an entry in master.cf. From this entry, we obtain the command and some arguments. The command[00:02:08] <wacky> determines which daemon code implements a transfer. The context information available to it comes from 1) the postfix environment, 2) arguments passed from the master.cf entry corresponding to its service name, 3) implied parameters about the message, 4) the message content, and 5)a parameter that appears along with the service name in the transport table.[00:02:40] <jludwig> jimpop: Where would I be able to change that?[00:03:03] <jludwig> I apologize; my brain feels like goo right now.[00:03:09] <seekwill> eww[00:03:12] <adaptr> wacky: I have no idea what you want[00:04:18] <jimpop> jludwig: at mydyndns.org[00:04:42] <jimpop> jludwig: i presume they have some control panel thingy[00:04:57] <jimpop> !cpanel[00:04:57] <knoba> jimpop: Error: "cpanel" is not a valid command.[00:05:00] <jimpop> doh![00:05:01] <adaptr> indeed[00:05:02] <jimpop> fail[00:05:03] <jludwig> jimpop: awesome! I'll be back in an hour or so if I'm as dump as I feel right now[00:05:38] <thumbs> he's dump?[00:05:52] <jludwig> ecks dee. ._.[00:06:04] <jimpop> being dumped?[00:06:09] <seekwill> dumping?[00:06:17] <jimpop> oh[00:06:24] <jimpop> eww[00:10:15] <wacky> adaptr: Case 1 : transport (mylist at domain dot tld mailman); master.cf (mailman ... pipe <arguments>) Sends messages to the specified executable.[00:10:50] <adaptr> wacky: I have no idea what you want[00:12:06] <wacky> Case 2: transport (mylist at domain dot tld lmtp:<host>:<port>); master.cf (lmtp ... lmtp) Sends messages to another mailman which is listening on <host>:<port>[00:13:06] <adaptr> wacky: I have no idea what you want[00:14:02] <wacky> What I want to do is write transport like case 1 and have the system react as if I had case 2. I need to make an appropriate (different) entry in master.cf to define the mailman service there.[00:14:45] <adaptr> okay[00:15:40] <wacky> So my question is "How do I specify <host:>:<port> to lmtp in the arguments in master.cf?[00:17:02] <adaptr> lmtp is a TCP protocol, not a local socket[00:17:24] <adaptr> so, AS DOCUMENTED, you specify the TCP IP and port you wish the lmtp servcie to run on in master.cf[00:17:39] <adaptr> host:port - - - - - lmtp $your_stuff[00:17:43] <seekwill> I think he wants to alias all that[00:17:50] <adaptr> he can't[00:18:01] <seekwill> He could if he read man bottle(5)[00:18:18] <jludwig> Okay... so quick question - wouldn't these be right? http://pastebin.com/YQybA7yy @jludwig.net sends them to mail.jludwig.net which in turn goes to 76.254.16.92[00:18:19] <adaptr> because postfix needs to actually use the LMTP protocol if he wants it delivered to an lmtp server[00:18:21] <jimpop> it's more fun with beer(9)[00:18:50] <seekwill> jludwig: Looks good[00:18:51] <wacky> No, that is for the listening side of the daemon. I want to set the remote host to which it will connect.[00:18:59] <adaptr> wacky: transport(5) needs to tell postfix what protocol to use. this is not circumventable.[00:19:09] <jimpop> jludwig: i see mail.jludwig.net has address 76.254.20.225[00:19:25] <seekwill> jimpop: Ping his server[00:19:57] <jimpop> seekwill: don't get me involved in doing sciency things[00:20:11] <wacky> transport defines the "service". THat service is mapped to a protocol in master.cf[00:20:47] <adaptr> wacky: oh, for sending ? sure[00:20:47] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[00:20:58] <adaptr> see, here'[00:21:22] <jimpop> jludwig: that does look good, but now DNS changes will take time to propagate throughout the system[00:21:23] <adaptr> s where it would have come in handy if you'd explained what it is you WANT, instead of lecturing me about irrelevant stuff[00:21:36] <adaptr> jimpop: urgh, please don't use that word[00:21:56] <jimpop> DNS?[00:22:09] <jludwig> jimpop: That's the weird part - those are the settings I had set up initially.[00:22:19] <jimpop> O.o[00:22:43] <jimpop> well, something at dnydns is telling me to send your email to 76.254.20.225[00:23:21] <wacky> I told that to you 3 hours ago.[00:24:31] *** lusted_gay has quit IRC[00:24:55] *** lusted_gay has joined #postfix[00:25:18] <adaptr> I was not here 3 hours ago[00:25:50] <seekwill> You were![00:27:09] <tharkun> 14:50 < adaptr> ichdasich: I was away. have you solved it yet ?[00:27:15] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[00:27:28] <tharkun> seekwill: no he wasn't arrived like 30 minutes later[00:27:50] <seekwill> Same thing[00:27:58] <adaptr> nihilist![00:27:58] <tharkun> And according to the law of minimun effort backloging is impossible for adapt xD[00:30:36] *** dall has joined #postfix[00:30:38] <dall> hello[00:30:46] <dall> someone use dovecot?[00:31:04] <adaptr> dall: probably, why ?[00:31:20] <dall> I have installed and configured Postifx[00:31:38] <dall> then installed DOvecot and set doveoct as deliver on postfix sasl configuration[00:31:53] <adaptr> ah, then you should probably undo that and start simple.[00:32:01] <adaptr> !tell dall welcome[00:32:01] <knoba> dall: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[00:32:26] <dall> now I have a doubt.... ihave to create two list USERS and PASSWORD (I would like to use virtual users)[00:32:46] <dall> i can start bth but i have to tell to dovecot WHERE find these users and password[00:32:55] <adaptr> dall: this is not #dovecot[00:33:11] <seekwill> This is #adaptrworld[00:33:14] <tharkun> dall: #dovecot @irc.freenode.net[00:33:22] <adaptr> you better believe it[00:33:37] <dall> yes i know but surelly someone use dovecot....unfortunately #dovecot is not very used[00:33:56] <dall> i'm reading it http://wiki.dovecot.org/VirtualUsers[00:34:06] <dall> there is: userdb passwd-file {[00:34:07] <dall> args = /home/%d/etc/passwd[00:34:13] <adaptr> dall: don't do that.[00:34:32] <dall> and shadow for user...... but how can i ADD these information there?[00:34:44] <dall> i don't think manually, i think threre is a command to add them, 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quit IRC[01:06:58] *** mrbichel has joined #postfix[01:10:26] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[01:13:40] <mrbichel> Hi I am experiencing some problems configuring my domain to receive email. http://pastebin.com/as7VCQuX[01:13:49] <mrbichel> I can receive on my FQDN[01:13:56] <mrbichel> and on otherdomain.com[01:14:16] <mrbichel> but not on example.com[01:15:52] <mrbichel> So me at otherdomain dot com is correctly delivered locally, same is me at server dot example.com but me at example dot com is bounced with Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table[01:18:33] <adaptr> !tell mrbichel relay_denied[01:18:33] <knoba> mrbichel: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domai[01:18:40] <adaptr> oh, not hat one[01:18:59] <adaptr> !tell mrbichel relevant_logs[01:18:59] <knoba> mrbichel: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[01:21:48] *** eanima2 has quit IRC[01:22:55] <tharkun> seekwill: What picture? I haven't recieved any pr0n spam lately[01:22:57] <mrbichel> adaptr: well thing is the test emails that i send of to me at example dot com does not appear in /var/log/mail.log[01:25:04] <adaptr> mrbichel: is your server the public MX for example.com ?[01:25:55] <mrbichel> adaptr: i set up an mx record pointing example.com at server.example.com[01:26:14] <mrbichel> server.example.com is set up as reverse DNS more than 24 hours ago as well.[01:26:43] *** dwbear75 has joined #postfix[01:27:52] <dwbear75> I'm not sure how to formulat my search question so I thought I would ask here.[01:28:13] <dwbear75> I need to configure postfix on my ubuntu laptop to change is 'smarthost' depending on the network that I'm connected too[01:28:22] <dwbear75> when I'm at work, I want to use my works smtp server[01:28:35] <dwbear75> when I'm home I want it to use my isp's smtp server[01:28:52] <dwbear75> is there a good write up on how to configure postfix to 'know' or easily 'change' the smart host?[01:29:39] <adaptr> mrbichel: is your server the public MX for example.com ?[01:30:05] <mrbichel> adaptr: yes[01:30:24] <adaptr> dwbear75: there is no easy solution to that, but you can try fallback_relay[01:30:56] <adaptr> set your relayhost to the most likely one, and fallback_relay to the other one. postfix caches the results from these lookups[01:31:28] <adaptr> (this is presuming that you can't use the work server when you're not at work)[01:31:39] <adaptr> otherwise, script it[01:31:49] <dwbear75> adaptr: didn't know about fallback_relay -- thanks for the pointer[01:31:50] <adaptr> mrbichel: are the logs forthcoming ?[01:33:05] *** dall has quit IRC[01:35:14] <tharkun> dwbear75: If you configure your network using a manual script. Setting the relayhost is a breeze. Remember postifx is not intended to be used on a laptop. At least originally :)[01:35:30] <mrbichel> adaptr: i think actually i need to look in to the dns setup again, anything at example dot com doesn't appear in the log at all - I gues that would mean that the emails can't actually have hit the server?[01:35:31] <seekwill> tharkun: I BB'ed it to you[01:36:18] <tharkun> seekwill: nothing has arrived that way. Try pinging me[01:36:39] <adaptr> mrbichel: what domain are we talking about[01:37:11] <mrbichel> adaptr: http://www.mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ajohan.cc[01:37:36] <adaptr> mrbichel: what domain are we talking about[01:38:37] <mrbichel> adaptr: the fqdn is tango.johan.cc - the domain my mail is not working for is johan.cc[01:39:11] <adaptr> johan.cc. 43200 IN MX 10 mailforward.gratisdns.dk.[01:39:13] <jimpop> johan.cc mail is handled by 10 mailforward.gratisdns.dk[01:41:30] *** Lenhix has quit IRC[01:41:58] <mrbichel> hmm seems my mx preference value is being ignored somehow then.[01:42:09] <mrbichel> lower preference comes first right?[01:42:25] <jimpop> mrbichel: yes[01:43:04] *** alus has left #postfix[01:46:37] <mrbichel> ok thanks guys - seems my other mx record wouldn't give tango.johan.cc a chance even though it didn't have any records for the specific emails. Deleted it, now the setup works.[01:47:04] <mrbichel> Isn't an mx supposed to fallback to the next preference?[01:47:40] <adaptr> try being more specific[01:48:06] <adaptr> the primary MX record for johan.cc is as above. that is not you. you will never get this mail.[01:48:10] <tharkun> seekwill: nice article on wikipedia about your hometown. I am seriously tempted to make the line to get a visa just to visit the city[01:48:26] <seekwill> Let me know![01:48:47] <tharkun> Take that for granted :)[01:49:28] <seekwill> We do[01:49:39] <mrbichel> adaptr: what is the idea of having a secondary MX then - is that only if the primary fails completely, like goes offline?[01:53:23] *** Timmooo is now known as Tim|Away[01:55:47] <adaptr> mrbichel: yes[01:58:33] <mrbichel> adaptr: ok thanks a lot, my setup seems to work now. I had gotten the idea that mailservers would be able to fallback automaticly to the next one instead of bouncing if they didn't have a record for a given adress.[01:59:04] <mrbichel> I think maybe what I want to look into is a mx backup[01:59:07] <adaptr> again, I am unsure what you are talking about[01:59:33] <adaptr> there are RFCs describing the purpose of multiple MX records, and what happens in specific scenarios[02:00:50] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[02:04:13] <seekwill> People should just use one MX![02:05:09] <jimpop> not all people, but most people.[02:05:32] <rob0> what about device nodes? I'm not a people.[02:05:33] <seekwill> Everyone![02:05:48] <adaptr> I'm a rogue IPv6 address[02:05:59] <jimpop> secondary MX is a great way to detect spam sources ;-)[02:07:00] <seekwill> Why duplicate the work of others?[02:07:50] <jimpop> perhaps someone is one of the others.[02:09:30] <rob0> If they're not one of us, they're one of them.[02:10:06] <jimpop> silly spammers don't even use one MX ;-)[02:10:29] <jimpop> s/use/operate/[02:17:23] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[02:17:35] *** nb has quit IRC[02:18:42] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[02:25:11] *** seekwill has quit IRC[02:25:15] *** dork has left #postfix[02:27:40] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[02:29:20] *** Dominian has quit IRC[02:29:45] *** mrbichel has left #postfix[02:30:14] *** mjoseph has quit IRC[02:31:06] *** mjoseph has joined #postfix[02:31:24] *** Dominian has joined #postfix[02:34:41] *** nb has joined #postfix[02:39:29] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:41:30] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[02:46:05] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[03:02:11] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[03:07:47] *** dwbear75 has left #postfix[03:08:18] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:10:05] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:20:17] <standon> ../7[03:23:29] <seekwill> ../6[03:26:30] <jimpop> No such file or directory[03:27:56] <seekwill> failure[03:29:04] <geek_cl> :/[03:30:37] *** xeodox has left #postfix[03:30:40] *** xeodox has joined #postfix[03:30:41] *** xeodox has left #postfix[03:40:12] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[03:43:04] *** seekwill has quit IRC[03:45:21] *** eckirchn has joined #postfix[03:45:32] *** Tim|Away is now known as Timzzzz[03:49:05] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[03:52:58] *** sbeam has quit IRC[03:54:28] <standon> :)[03:54:36] <standon> sorry, typo'd while trying to change irssi windows.[03:56:56] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[04:02:17] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[04:25:01] *** sbeam has quit IRC[04:41:20] *** eckirchn has quit IRC[05:02:27] *** simplydrew has joined #postfix[05:07:42] *** wacky has left #postfix[05:18:43] *** eckirchn has joined #postfix[05:20:22] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[05:26:36] *** Internat has quit IRC[05:32:53] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[05:41:01] *** Captain_Haddock has quit IRC[05:42:55] *** eckirchn_ has joined #postfix[05:44:06] *** ghoti_ has joined #postfix[05:45:07] *** ghoti has quit IRC[06:25:10] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[06:28:43] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[06:28:44] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[06:35:24] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[06:57:00] *** eckirchn has quit IRC[07:10:52] *** Hyphenex has joined #postfix[07:31:05] <Hyphenex> What's it mean when it says "hyphenex at lan dot domain.com expanded from hyphenex@lan"?[07:40:32] <Hyphenex> I've got mydestination = lan included in the config file :([07:51:04] <Hyperi> It's not FQDN[07:53:58] <Hyphenex> Hyperi: Like the nickname :P Does it need to be a FQDN? What if I want it to be one in a series of mail servers to accept e-mail for that domain?[07:55:14] <Hyperi> Why not make it lan.domain.tld originally ?[07:55:35] <Hyperi> You can still send emails inside LAN to user@lan - and it'll just automatically expand it to user at lan dot domain.tld[07:57:50] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[07:58:11] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[07:58:58] <Hyphenex> Hyperi: Ahh, so mydestination won't allow just a word (assuming I'm making my own top level domain)?[07:58:59] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[07:58:59] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[08:21:32] *** breaker313 has joined #postfix[08:21:33] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[08:29:36] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[08:33:59] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[08:35:01] <bulbous> right now when email gets sent to the root account, I have it forwarded to my personal email, but the to-address still shows root at example dot com -- seems like there's got to be an easy way to make the to-address for all root email go to my personal address -- any pointers greatly appreciated[08:42:30] *** mandragor has quit IRC[08:45:12] <bulbous> I tried adding a couple lines to /etc/postfix/virtual , but they didn't work[08:45:29] <bulbous> the lines were:[08:45:39] <bulbous> root myaccount at gmail dot com[08:45:47] <bulbous> root at example dot com myaccount at gmail dot com[08:46:24] <bulbous> then postmap /etc/postfix/virtual and added virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual to the main.cf file[08:46:29] *** Captain_Haddock has joined #postfix[08:46:44] <bulbous> dunno if I'm on the right track at all or just completely off base[08:56:38] <kenyon> bulbous: the To address is added by the sender. why would you change that?[08:59:57] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[09:03:51] *** Muhis has quit IRC[09:04:07] *** jujugre has quit IRC[09:05:56] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[09:09:51] *** jdoe has quit IRC[09:09:57] *** jdoe has joined #postfix[09:10:00] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:15:07] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[09:16:37] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[09:17:38] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[09:20:19] *** dubey has joined #postfix[09:20:43] <dubey> hello[09:27:07] *** david_ has joined #postfix[09:27:26] *** davlefou has quit IRC[09:35:50] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, I'm running postfix with mysql. All is working well. I am able to retrieve e-mails as well as set up e-mail forwards for certain accounts. However, what I would like to do is set up a particular account to store its e-mail in its mailbox as well as forward a copy to an external address.[09:36:39] <Captain_Haddock> I have three tables in mysql, users, forwards and domains. When I add an entry for an account in both users and forwards, the forwards takes precedence and the entry in the users table does not receive the e-mail.[09:36:50] <Captain_Haddock> Is there a switch that I need to toggle to get this happening?[09:37:47] <Captain_Haddock> (or should I perhaps get inventive with the entry in my forwards table? Perhaps something like source=foo at example dot com, destination=foo at example dot com,bar@example.com?[09:38:01] <Captain_Haddock> +)[09:41:07] <Shuro> okay, with forward you mean an alias address, or?[09:42:51] <Shuro> so you need two alias entries, first one is "source at domain dot tld => destination at domain dot tld", second one is "source at domain dot tld => source at domain dot tld". I think the order is irrelevant[09:42:52] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: yep[09:43:12] *** dubey has quit IRC[09:43:17] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: roger that! Let me give that a whirl.[09:43:18] <Captain_Haddock> Cheers :)[09:44:06] <Shuro> or this might also work: "source at domain dot tld => source at domain dot tld,destination@domain.tld"[09:44:54] <Shuro> See also: http://www.postfix.org/aliases.5.html[09:46:14] *** david_ is now known as davlefou[09:46:33] *** davlefou has quit IRC[09:47:41] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: the latter is what worked :)[09:47:57] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:48:05] <Shuro> both should work[09:49:22] <Shuro> for example i use the first variant, its easier and cleaner to handle throu a backend[09:49:33] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: the forwards table in my setup has the source as a primary key which meant that it had to be unique.[09:49:59] <Shuro> then you should use unique, thats the solution ^^[09:51:18] *** weedar has joined #postfix[09:51:39] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: unique would have still restricted it to one entry per source, right? I could make it a non-unique "index" I guess. But I can live with this uglier solution too :P[09:52:52] <Shuro> Captain_Haddock: http://pastebin.com/LGQZyhym look at this (my solution)[09:52:56] *** lxyu has joined #postfix[09:53:46] <Shuro> Captain_Haddock: so you can have multiple entries for email = source at domain dot tld, as long the goto field is different[09:54:18] <Captain_Haddock> Shuro: ah, yep. That makes sense :)[09:54:37] <Captain_Haddock> (I thought you wanted just the "email" column to be unique)[09:55:32] *** jujugre has quit IRC[09:55:34] <Shuro> ^^ that would be the same as primary key... i see no difference[09:55:58] <Captain_Haddock> :P[09:56:04] <Captain_Haddock> yes, I misunderstood what you meant[09:56:21] <Shuro> its okay, i hope it helps you[09:56:44] <Captain_Haddock> It does - thanks a bunch![09:57:14] <Captain_Haddock> Time to see what the sun looks like - bbiaw :)[09:59:29] *** e-jones has quit IRC[09:59:43] *** bezourox has joined #postfix[10:02:18] *** davlefou has joined #postfix[10:04:06] *** on1ald has quit IRC[10:05:28] *** turbomettwurst has joined #postfix[10:05:33] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[10:05:58] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[10:05:58] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[10:06:29] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[10:06:59] *** Motoko has quit IRC[10:07:09] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[10:09:02] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[10:20:02] *** on1ald has left #postfix[10:29:35] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[10:33:48] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[10:39:30] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[10:53:00] *** Internat has joined #postfix[10:59:40] *** cpm has joined #postfix[11:00:05] *** basho__ has quit IRC[11:00:26] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[11:04:11] *** k1ckn1ck has quit IRC[11:07:19] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[11:08:24] <Aprogas> Neat. monit supports postfix-policy as protocol for checking whether a policyd is still running[11:10:16] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[11:37:52] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:38:22] *** cpm has quit IRC[11:50:06] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[12:01:47] *** Wuiqed has quit IRC[12:01:47] *** ZOMGLAZERGUNSPEW has joined #postfix[12:06:16] *** breaker313_ has joined #postfix[12:07:05] *** breaker313 has quit IRC[12:10:24] *** dubey has joined #postfix[12:12:23] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[12:12:23] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[12:17:46] *** dubey has quit IRC[12:18:37] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[12:28:06] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[12:31:02] *** wdp has joined #postfix[12:35:21] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[12:42:53] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[12:44:01] *** hipodilski has joined #postfix[12:44:37] <hipodilski> My mail server messages are received in Spam in gmail, what might be the reason could it be that my mail server doesn't have a domainkeys installed and configured?[12:47:03] *** k1ckn1ck has joined #postfix[12:47:50] <UQlev> hipodilski: i don't think so because I don't use domainkeys and receiving normally[12:49:27] <UQlev> hipodilski: do you have SPF record? proper rDNS?[12:51:00] <UQlev> hipodilski: what is your google address? I can send test from my server (without domainkeys)[12:51:28] *** hipodilski has quit IRC[12:54:42] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[12:58:09] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:59:13] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:00:59] *** lxyu has quit IRC[13:03:21] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[13:20:55] *** turbomettwurst has quit IRC[13:22:00] *** turbomettwurst has joined #postfix[13:31:06] *** giany has left #postfix[13:32:17] *** P1ersson has joined #postfix[13:32:34] <P1ersson> !welcome[13:32:34] <knoba> P1ersson: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[13:34:55] <f3ew> Hmmm, didn't we have someone from linuxmagic.com here?[13:37:53] *** Twinkletoes has joined #postfix[13:45:21] *** roentgen has joined #postfix[13:50:41] *** cilly has joined #postfix[13:54:35] *** Cain` has joined #postfix[13:56:02] *** Cain has quit IRC[13:56:03] *** Cain` is now known as Cain[14:00:45] *** ghoti_ is now known as ghoti[14:04:39] *** Tykling has quit IRC[14:08:12] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[14:11:25] *** e-anima is now known as e-anima-afk[14:11:30] *** mambaw has quit IRC[14:17:16] *** biggimat has quit IRC[14:18:06] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[14:47:37] *** KaiForce has joined #postfix[14:50:04] *** ketema has joined #postfix[14:52:43] <elb0w> So Postfix can either be setup as a actual server or just a way to forward mail to another relay?[14:53:16] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[14:53:22] *** sbeam has joined #postfix[14:53:49] <Aprogas> !tell elb0w nullclient[14:53:49] <knoba> elb0w: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[14:54:23] <elb0w> !nullclient_software[14:54:23] <knoba> elb0w: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[14:54:43] <elb0w> whats a msa?[14:55:24] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[14:55:55] <Aprogas> !msa[14:55:55] <knoba> Aprogas: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[14:56:07] <elb0w> ah common sense ftl[14:56:09] <elb0w> :P[14:56:44] <elb0w> Can I get some guidance from someone more experienced in email? I am doing some work for a website and we need to send emails daily/weekly to all users.[14:57:16] <Aprogas> A nullclient would suffice for that, but make sure the volume you will send is in agreement with the policies of the relayhost you use.[14:58:06] <elb0w> Well could I setup and be my own relay then?[14:58:25] <elb0w> The userbase can increase exponentially, I dont want to hit any bottlenecks down the road and have to make changes[15:01:27] *** ketema has left #postfix[15:05:38] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[15:06:08] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[15:06:14] <Aprogas> You can install Postfix and do deliveries to remote MTAs directly, but make sure you know how email works, or you'll just get on blacklists.[15:06:44] <Aprogas> It's easy to set up a mailserver that seems to work, but it is hard to do it right.[15:12:35] <lunaphyte_> !easy[15:12:35] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[15:13:42] *** xeodox has joined #postfix[15:14:29] <Aprogas> Especially bulk delivery is tricky business, even more so for mails generated by PHP-scripts or similar.[15:14:37] *** roentgen has quit IRC[15:14:47] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[15:15:32] *** digitolx has joined #postfix[15:16:47] *** wdp has joined #postfix[15:17:15] *** acf1210 has joined #postfix[15:17:27] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[15:17:27] *** acf1210 has left #postfix[15:17:52] *** ssureshot has quit IRC[15:17:57] *** acf1210 has joined #postfix[15:18:09] *** acf1210 has left #postfix[15:18:57] *** mu574n9 has joined #postfix[15:23:17] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[15:28:52] *** shoonya has quit IRC[15:29:01] *** xeodox has quit IRC[15:29:31] *** speedxco1e is now known as Bonds[15:30:37] *** e-jones has quit IRC[15:32:45] *** dall has joined #postfix[15:32:49] <dall> hello everybody[15:33:03] <dall> :) again dovecot....uuuuuuuuuuf[15:33:46] <dall> i have install dovecot, configured.....and set postifx to use dovecot delivery....but when i use "dovecot" command i get an error[15:34:08] <dall> /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth there isn't[15:34:37] <dall> Error: auth_executable: Can't use /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth: No such file or directory[15:35:06] <dall> i have installed dovecot-imap dovecot-postfix packages but there isn't a dovecot-auth on the system[15:35:26] <Shuro> lol[15:35:54] <dall> the path is here: http://nopaste.info/b06c7c3c25_nl.html[15:36:00] <dall> Shuro ?[15:36:17] <lunaphyte_> uh.. what channel exactly do you think you're in?[15:36:37] <lunaphyte_> if you typed /join #dovecot and it brought you here, then there is something wrong with your irc client.[15:37:31] <mu574n9> lunaphyte_: lol[15:37:37] <Shuro> did you think its a question for #postfix? ^^[15:37:37] <Shuro>[15:38:03] <dall> lunaphyte, i'm using dovecot sasl with postfix...[15:38:34] <dall> please, someone use dovecot?[15:38:35] <lunaphyte_> not yet you're not.[15:38:44] <rob0> No, you're *failing* to use Dovecot SASL with Postfix. :) If dovecot is not running, it won't create the socket.[15:39:08] <Shuro> and if the socket-position isnt configured, it didnt work[15:39:12] <rob0> Or if you failed to follow the instructions in Postfix SASL_README.[15:39:28] <dall> rob0 i use "dovecot" command...but i get the previous error...then service dovecto start[15:39:39] *** digitolx has quit IRC[15:39:42] <lunaphyte_> dall: stop ignoring people.[15:39:45] <dall> Shuro, the problem is that there is not the dovecot socket[15:39:50] <lunaphyte_> you've been told what to do to get help.[15:40:07] *** ssureshot has joined #postfix[15:40:13] <Shuro> dall: rtfm... ^^ http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL[15:40:36][15:40:43] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:40:50] <dall> lunaphyte, take a look at: http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL[15:40:59] <dall> path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth <---[15:41:03] <lunaphyte_> no[15:41:20] <lunaphyte_> dall: /join #dovecot[15:41:29] <Shuro> There is the solution, 1. read it, 2. understand it, 3. ...? 4. profit[15:42:27] <Shuro> dall: look at the domain of the url, did you notice that is it _not_ postfix.org?[15:44:07] <rob0> !sasl[15:44:07] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[15:44:33] <rob0> ^^ that one is, and it contains a sample dovecot.conf snip[15:44:47] *** TomHome has quit IRC[15:44:55] <rob0> either one should be enough for most folks to get it going[15:46:37] <dall> rob0: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_dovecot_comm >> line 10 places the Dovecot SASL socket in /var/spool/postfix/private/auth, >> i don't have this socket[15:47:26] <rob0> repasting "If dovecot is not running, it won't create the socket."[15:48:16] <dall> rob0, excuse me, how do you start dovecot ?[15:49:48] <lunaphyte_> !sweet > dall[15:49:48] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "sweet" is not a valid command.[15:49:49] <rob0> sigh. Do you expect us to do all your work for you?[15:49:51] <bca> Hva er egentlig ".lmtp_strict_rfc2821-disable"-delen?[15:49:53] <lunaphyte_> bah[15:49:59] <lunaphyte_> !tell dall sweet[15:49:59] <knoba> dall: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/[15:50:06] <lunaphyte_> sad day.[15:50:19] <lunaphyte_> first time ever i have summoned that factoid.[15:50:30] <lunaphyte_> friday the thirteenth, and all...[15:52:10] <Shuro> lunaphyte_: thats the solution, it is friday the thirteenth ^^[15:53:03] *** weedar has quit IRC[15:53:50] <Aprogas> Hmm.. using monit's protocol postfix-policy to check whether postfwd was running, caused a lot of bogus dnsbl queries.[15:54:16] <Aprogas> In retrospect I should have known this would happen, since monit will just emulate a policyd query and postfwd will treat it as real.[15:54:28] <elb0w> Does my internal hostname have to be the same as my MX record?[15:55:16] <Aprogas> dnsbl-1.uceprotect.com timed out for postfwd, causing postfwd to fail to respond in time to monit, causing monit to consider an otherwise working postfwd as broken and restart it.[15:55:36] <Aprogas> So the tool that should prevent daemons from breaking, broke one because I misconfigured it. :)[15:55:40] *** KaiForce has quit IRC[15:58:23] <Aprogas> elb0w: Probably not.[15:59:47] <Aprogas> myhostname, or at least smtp_helo_name, should be set to the hostname your IP-address PTRs to, and you should pass FCRDNS.[16:00:17] *** UQlev has quit IRC[16:00:46] <elb0w> well for example my box is xen.elbowrage.com, my mx is mail.xen.elbowrage.com[16:01:17] *** jujugre has left #postfix[16:01:23] <elb0w> but I can send mail to xen.elbowrage.com not mail.xen.elbowrage.com[16:02:12] <Aprogas> MX-records are just for other MTAs to find your MTA; what domains you accept mail for is separate from MX.[16:02:22] <Aprogas> My MX is nvidium.soleus.nu and it accepts mail for aprogas.net[16:03:02] <elb0w> ok, so if I wanted to send mail from xen.elbowrage.com and make it look like it came from just elbowrage.com[16:03:14] <elb0w> Thats ok?[16:03:27] <Aprogas> Define "came from"[16:03:45] <elb0w> when someone sees the email address it came from[16:04:00] <elb0w> So if I send you a mail, I want you to see elb0w at elbowrage dot com opposed to elb0w at xen dot elbowrage.com[16:04:08] <elb0w> I dont care about getting a reponse[16:04:12] <elb0w> response*[16:04:19] <Aprogas> Is elbowrage.com your domain?[16:04:33] <elb0w> yeah, but the mailserver is on xen.elbowrage.com[16:04:38] <elb0w> do I just use xen.elbowrage.com as my relay?[16:04:44] <Aprogas> Why not just set a MX for elbowrage.com as well?[16:04:53] <elb0w> different server[16:05:21] <Aprogas> You shouldn't use a domainpart in an email-address that doesn't have an associated MX-record.[16:05:43] <elb0w> should I make a mx for it then?[16:05:48] <Aprogas> Right now you seem to have MX-records for neither.[16:05:57] <elb0w> yeah im really confused on all of this lol[16:06:00] <Aprogas> In which case A-as-implicit-MX kicks in.[16:06:11] <elb0w> yeah I have a A[16:06:15] <elb0w> but you still need mx yeah?[16:06:28] <Aprogas> It's useful, especially if you want it to be different from the A-record.[16:06:38] <elb0w> I just dont want to get blacklisted[16:07:02] <Aprogas> MX is for receiving mail, you don't get blacklisted based on your MX.[16:07:32] <elb0w> Well if I just want to send emails what should I be concerned with?[16:07:46] <Aprogas> 16:01:39 < Aprogas> myhostname, or at least smtp_helo_name, should be set to the hostname your IP-address PTRs to, and you should pass FCRDNS.[16:07:53] <elb0w> yes it is[16:08:23] <Aprogas> You should also be concerned with any SPF or DKIM policies on domains you use in sender addresses.[16:08:24] <elb0w> Ok, what about protecting myself from spammers. I read something earlier about open relays, but that postfix does not use open relays by default[16:08:41] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[16:09:05] <Aprogas> Postfix has some built-in detections to prevent from becoming an open relay, but it will use external open relays, because it cannot verify that.[16:09:07] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[16:09:13] <Aprogas> If your relayhost is an open relay, Postfix will just use that.[16:09:51] <Aprogas> Also make sure your postmaster and abuse addresses on all domains you send mail from, are working and that you read them.[16:10:57] <Aprogas> Protecting yourself from spammers is too complicated to get into now.[16:11:21] <kenyon> open relay test: http://verify.abuse.net/relay.html[16:11:24] <Aprogas> There are many methods, and they must constantly evolve, because the spammers do as well.[16:12:00] <elb0w> ok I gues relay access denied is good then[16:12:19] <Aprogas> That depends on how is trying to relay.[16:12:36] <Aprogas> Are you really sure about running your own MTA?[16:13:04] <Aprogas> You could just purchase a subscription at some relayhost that caters to bulk senders.[16:13:05] <elb0w> Have to learn sometime[16:13:15] <elb0w> Do you know any U.S. ones?[16:13:22] <Aprogas> No.[16:13:36] <Aprogas> You should also adhere to CAN-SPAM.[16:14:31] <elb0w> ok[16:15:42] *** Gatto has quit IRC[16:15:57] <elb0w> Aprogas, so this is wrong? mail 10800 IN MX 1 xen.elbowrage.com.[16:18:17] <rob0> That looks like part of a DNS question, but "so this is wrong?" provides no context.[16:19:07] <elb0w> I just read bad stuff about running your own and using ec2[16:19:12] <elb0w> think ill just look for a relay provider then[16:22:05] *** mu574n9 has quit IRC[16:32:36] <elb0w> Why isnt there just an approved list instead of many black lists[16:40:37] *** mambaw has joined #postfix[16:42:11] *** io_a has joined #postfix[16:50:52] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[16:50:53] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:01:49] *** neonoe has quit IRC[17:03:48] <dall> guys what means "c" near the package name ?[17:03:53] <dall> (aptitude)[17:03:54] *** neonoe has joined #postfix[17:08:58] <jeev> hmm, what is this 'aptitude' you speak of[17:09:24] <thumbs> dall: ask the package maintainer in #yourdistrohere[17:09:29] <dall> apt-get[17:09:37] <jeev> zackly.[17:10:17] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:11:34] *** moonknight33 has joined #postfix[17:11:59] *** moonknight33 has left #postfix[17:14:05] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:17:27] *** pj has joined #postfix[17:17:37] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:20:49] *** breaker313_ has quit IRC[17:21:35] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:27:05] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:28:05] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[17:28:14] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[17:29:02] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[17:30:36] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:34:46] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:35:02] *** Twinkletoes has quit IRC[17:38:35] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:39:02] *** xperia has joined #postfix[17:40:13] <xperia> hello to all. small question related to sync of email servers. i have two postfix mail servers set up and need now the possibility to import sync the mails from the old postfix mail server. what is best way to do this ?[17:41:36] <f3ew> rsync?[17:41:56] <UQlev> xperia: it depends on type of mail-accounts. System or virtual?[17:42:11] <xperia> UQlev: virtual[17:42:37] <xperia> f3ew hmm if rsync would work it will be great[17:42:55] <LinuxCode> xperia, thats how I rsynced maildir accounts[17:43:01] *** wdp has quit IRC[17:43:01] <LinuxCode> worked like a treat[17:43:21] <LinuxCode> best thing, sync while running[17:43:27] <LinuxCode> switch off for a a minute[17:43:30] <UQlev> xperia: you should take care about ownership of maildirs in new place[17:43:32] <LinuxCode> rsync again[17:43:37] <LinuxCode> start new servers[17:43:47] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:43:48] *** DarkKnightCZ has joined #postfix[17:44:37] <xperia> LinuxCode: thank you a lot for your tip. now i know at least with rsync it works great ![17:45:11] <LinuxCode> I wouldnt go as far to say great[17:45:13] <LinuxCode> but it worked[17:45:25] <LinuxCode> better is to have no downtime at all[17:45:27] <LinuxCode> hehe[17:45:42] *** wdp has joined #postfix[17:46:00] <LinuxCode> but if you only got a few hundred or so mail accounts[17:47:42] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:48:17] <xperia> UQLev: hoped that postfix has some nice script that can be executed and then all is done but i guess such a script does not exist that is deleverd with postfix[17:48:26] *** turbomettwurst has quit IRC[17:48:37] <xperia> okay thanks for helpfull answers will now try it to do[17:51:42] *** Tykling has quit IRC[17:55:12] *** UQlev_ has joined #postfix[17:55:36] *** UQlev_ has quit IRC[17:55:38] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[17:56:34] *** UQlev has quit IRC[17:57:50] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:59:34] *** empity has quit IRC[18:01:01] *** n0sq has quit IRC[18:11:38] *** gebi has quit IRC[18:13:57] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:15:19] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[18:17:41] *** pj has quit IRC[18:20:02] <DarkKnightCZ> hi, is there a way, how to automatically create mail directory tree?[18:21:15] <jelly> DarkKnightCZ: mail directory tree?[18:22:36] <jelly> DarkKnightCZ: if you're talking about a Maildir folder, it can be as simple as mkdir -p foldername/{cur,new,tmp}[18:23:02] <DarkKnightCZ> yes, but i mean automatically after the mail is delivered[18:26:49] *** bezourox has quit IRC[18:31:02] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[18:35:55] *** DarkKnightCZ has left #postfix[18:36:26] *** gimpy4685 has joined #postfix[18:37:23] *** gimpy4685 is now known as gimpy2938[18:39:11] <gimpy2938> I'm trying to make it so that all mail comming out of my server has a from address that reads "whatever at foo dot com" and not "whatever at host dot foo.com" but I have not been able to get it to work using http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#masquerade, it just uses whatever at host dot foo.com[18:47:21] <seekwill> Usually easier to edit it at the source. Causes less headaches in the future[18:47:48] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[18:47:58] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[18:50:57] *** acf1210 has joined #postfix[18:52:31] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[18:54:14] *** uqlev has quit IRC[18:55:51] *** acf1210 has left #postfix[18:59:31] *** Tykling has quit IRC[19:02:52] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:03:11] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[19:06:13] <dall> hi guys[19:06:21] <dall> i have this problem: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table[19:06:33] <dall> i added the domain example.com to my mydestination[19:06:37] <dall> what could be?[19:06:37] <Dominian> It means the user you sent email to doesn't exist[19:06:46] <f3ew> You need a system account for the user[19:06:46] <Dominian> Need to see the entire log transaction.[19:08:02] <dall> no system account i'm using virtual_mailbox_domains[19:08:07] <dall> (and maps)[19:08:58] <dall> i get: May 13 19:07:34 vmi2115 postfix/trivial-rewrite[7912]: warning: do not list domain example.com in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains[19:09:00] <dall> hmmm[19:09:01] *** uuser123 has joined #postfix[19:09:35] <Dominian> Yeah, that's a big clue right there.[19:09:49] <Dominian> !virtual_mailbox_domains[19:09:49] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.[19:12:11] <dall> hmmm so only on virtual_mailbox_domains ?[19:13:52] <dall> i try to remove it from mydestination[19:15:01] <uuser123> i am new to mail servers ,i just try to installed a smiple mail server @home with postfix with ubuntu ,do i require Dovecot server ?[19:15:16] <dall> hmmmmm no! Relay access denied[19:15:22] <seekwill> uuser123: Try something like Zimbra[19:15:33] <seekwill> uuser123: Really, you should just use Gmail[19:15:36] <uuser123> ok[19:15:55] <thumbs> !tell dall relay_denied[19:15:55] <knoba> dall: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[19:16:02] <uuser123> no i am system admin and i want to learn mail server[19:16:14] <thumbs> !tell uuser123 basic[19:16:14] <knoba> uuser123: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[19:16:22] <Dominian> thumbs: don't forget !standard[19:16:27] <thumbs> right.[19:16:30] <thumbs> !tell uuser123 standard[19:16:30] <knoba> uuser123: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[19:17:09] <dall> thumbs.... ok i see mynetworks....but i don't uderstand one thing...can i repeat the list of the domains on virtual_* and mydestination ?[19:17:20] <dall> are the same list right ?[19:17:26] <dall> (one hash)[19:17:59] <uuser123> thanks[19:18:54] <dall> thumbs: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128[19:19:06] <uuser123> i will read this and understand and come back to u[19:19:10] <uuser123> thanks[19:19:34] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:20:23] <dall> i don't think is $mynetwork[19:20:25] <dall> i think is[19:20:29] <dall> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination[19:20:34] <Dominian> wrong[19:20:46] <Dominian> Show us logs... stop guessing[19:20:49] *** hever has joined #postfix[19:20:50] <Dominian> pastebin postconf -n output[19:20:56] <Dominian> the /topic details all of this btw.[19:22:19] *** hever has quit IRC[19:22:30] <dall> ok one moment[19:22:36] *** basho__ has quit IRC[19:22:59] *** hever has joined #postfix[19:23:58] <dall> Dominian: http://nopaste.info/554d213512_nl.html[19:27:18] <Dominian> I bet part of the problem is you're using a domain that actually exists.. do you actually own example.net?[19:28:06] <dall> exists? what do you mean?[19:28:09] <dall> i replaed it[19:28:16] <dall> *replaced[19:28:26] <dall> mail.mydomain.com[19:28:40] <dall> what you mean with "exist" ?[19:29:46] <dall> the domain is mine...i never used it...only configured (DNS) etc[19:31:40] <Dominian> example.net is your domain?[19:31:45] <Dominian> !mung[19:31:45] <knoba> Dominian: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.[19:33:28] <dall> yes sure[19:33:36] <dall> it's mine[19:34:10] <Dominian> So you own.. the domain.. example.net ?[19:34:47] <Dominian> which .. I hate to say.. it I doubt it.. since its an IANA reserved registration domain.[19:35:13] <seekwill> I own it[19:35:19] <dall> Dominian[19:35:19] <Dominian> zomg[19:35:21] <dall> i change it[19:35:30] <dall> but the name i replaced is mine[19:35:36] <Dominian> again..[19:35:38] <seekwill> What is the name?[19:35:39] <Dominian> ok[19:35:41] <Dominian> !mung[19:35:41] <knoba> Dominian: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.[19:35:42] <dall> i'm not the owner of example.com[19:35:43] <Dominian> still applies[19:35:51] <dall> can i post my real domain here?[19:35:57] <seekwill> Yes, why not?[19:35:58] <dall> pvt ?[19:36:00] <Dominian> don't see why not[19:36:00] <dall> ok[19:36:02] <Dominian> slackadelic.com[19:36:04] <Dominian> noobfarm.org[19:36:05] <Dominian> those are mine[19:36:12] <Dominian> BRING IT ON SPAMMERS! (seekwill)[19:36:12] <seekwill> OMG!!!![19:36:13] <thumbs> dall: sure, send it in a /pm to me[19:36:13] <dall> mail.mxadmin.net[19:36:29] <thumbs> dall: I'll be sure to post it in the channel right away for everyone to see.[19:36:50] <thumbs> dall: that's how we usually respond to folks that won't disclose their real hostnames.[19:37:15] <dall> ok[19:37:19] <Dominian> your domain is 'public' anyway.. never understood why people think hiding their domain is going to stop anything..[19:37:29] <dall> yes true[19:37:30] <dall> no problem[19:37:37] <dall> the domain is mail. mxadmin.net[19:37:42] <Dominian> and if you have a good spam filter.. than no worries[19:37:46] <dall> i want to use it only for email[19:37:47] <dall> ok[19:38:25] <seekwill> Dominian: Domains are classified![19:38:31] <xperia> hello to all. does anybody know what this warning here is and how i can disable it. it spam my logs every minute[19:38:37] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:38:47] <xperia> virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for root at mydomain dot com -- deferring delivery[19:39:07] <dall> ?[19:39:22] <xperia> searched on the net but could not find any information about it really[19:39:23] <Dominian> seekwill: SHH![19:39:26] <dall> do you see a problem on my main.conf ?[19:39:30] <seekwill> xperia: You don't want to disable warnings. You want to address them[19:40:01] <xperia> hmm and what exactly does this warning say. look up problem is not really helpfull[19:40:11] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:40:39] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:42:35] <dall> Dominian ?[19:43:05] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:44:58] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[19:45:37] <dall> seekwill[19:45:40] <dall> someoneee :)[19:45:42] <dall> please..[19:45:52] <seekwill> What was the question? Sorry, I was just trolling before.[19:47:30] <dall> i get[19:47:52] <dall> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table[19:47:57] <dall> i'm using virtual domains[19:48:14] <dall> http://nopaste.info/554d213512_nl.html <--- this is my main.cf[19:48:18] <seekwill> Is there anything else in your log?[19:48:42] <dall> yes[19:48:47] <dall> May 13 19:48:57 vmi2495 postfix/trivial-rewrite[8361]: warning: do not list domain mxadmin.net in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains[19:48:52] <Dominian> Yeah sorry.. got pulled away... I'll help when I can[19:49:10] <seekwill> Fix that one too[19:49:18] <dall> ?[19:49:31] <dall> i have a list on mydestination and on virtual_[19:49:37] <dall> the same list, wrong ?[19:49:49] <seekwill> do not list domain mxadmin.net in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains[19:49:57] <seekwill> I don't know how to rephrase that...[19:50:12] <dall> ok[19:50:17] <dall> in which ?[19:50:22] <dall> virtual ?[19:50:27] <dall> or mydestination ?[19:51:29] <seekwill> mydestinations is for local system accounts[19:51:31] <seekwill> not virtual users[19:51:35] <seekwill> so...........[19:51:58] <dall> grrr....localc system account....[19:52:13] *** MAAAAD has joined #postfix[19:52:16] <dall> i dont use system account....so i will remove all the list on mydestination[19:52:21] <seekwill> :)[19:52:26] <dall> can i comment mydestination= directly ?[19:52:36] <seekwill> I don't know. I never do that[19:52:54] <seekwill> I usually keep mydest to mail.domain.com[19:53:01] <seekwill> So it'll accept the "system" mail[19:53:13] <dall> i try....guy ...get ready...to send spam using my server :-)[19:53:22] <dall> i only want use virtual[19:53:25] <dall> i try...[19:53:55] <seekwill> Oh... the spam is already going... dont worry[19:54:39] <dall> perfect[19:54:40] <dall> :D[19:54:47] <dall> OMG works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1[19:54:47] <dall> :D[19:55:20] *** mambaw has quit IRC[19:55:48] <dall> aah i forgot to tell you another error i get: --->> postfix/smtpd[8526]: warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled[19:55:51] <dall> *warning[19:55:58] <dall> what is this?[19:56:15] <seekwill> Google really helps with these sorts of things you know...[19:56:36] <dall> k[19:58:19] <dall> seekwill... a strange problem.... i sent an email using thunderbird[19:58:32] <dall> and i don't see it on my /var/log/mail.log[19:58:47] <dall> if i connect to the server with telnet i see it in the log :|[19:59:08] <Dominian> mxadmin.net has no MX record[19:59:18] <Dominian> just FYI[19:59:25] <seekwill> FALL BACK TO A![19:59:32] <Dominian> yah[19:59:50] <Dominian> and mxadmin.net's IP aka the A record isn't listening on port 25[20:00:00] *** dim has quit IRC[20:00:12] <Dominian> which explains why nothing is showing up[20:00:43] <dall> one moment...[20:01:02] <dall> if i sent and email to mxadmin.net it doesn't work because only mail.mxadmin.net has A record?[20:04:54] <dall> right!!!!! name.com use this ip for his ADS!!![20:04:54] <dall> OK[20:05:24] *** dim has joined #postfix[20:06:00] * seekwill sighs[20:06:03] *** sbeam has quit IRC[20:06:49] <dall> :)[20:07:48] <dall> seekwill, dominian oook i get: 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as BA53F280996 (using telnet)[20:07:53] <seekwill> OMG![20:07:58] <dall> ?[20:08:02] <seekwill> Oh no![20:08:06] <seekwill> I'm getting spam from you![20:08:14] <dall> ahaha[20:08:15] <dall> :)[20:09:21] <dall> i will start tomorrow....today i only configure[20:09:22] <dall> :)[20:09:45] <Dominian> dall: make sure when you get it working..[20:09:51] <Dominian> that you make mail.mxadmin.net your MX record for mxadmin.net[20:10:49] <dall> yes[20:10:51] <dall> thank you[20:11:26] <dall> postfix/virtual[8602]: BA53F280996: to=<myaccount at mxadmin dot net>, relay=virtual, delay=54, delays=54/0.05/0/0.06, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)[20:11:35] <dall> the last words are not good :)[20:12:27] <seekwill> haha[20:12:37] <dall> ahah :)[20:13:13] <Aprogas> That seems a bit vague for a Postfix error. Either you are showing it out of context, or you are using a virtual_transport[20:13:38] <Dominian> Aprogas: iirc it was dovecot virtual transport[20:13:45] <Dominian> it was in his original pastebin of postconf -n[20:13:49] <dall> http://nopaste.info/554d213512_nl.html[20:13:57] *** dim has quit IRC[20:15:52] <dall> Dominian: is a dovecot error?[20:18:35] *** jludwig has quit IRC[20:18:54] *** dim has joined #postfix[20:18:56] <Dominian> its hard to say[20:19:20] <dall> btw dovecot is running[20:20:07] *** xperia has quit IRC[20:20:26] <dall> any idea?[20:20:27] *** e-anima-afk is now known as e-anima[20:20:58] <dall> seekwill you have any idea?[20:22:44] *** sjrussel has joined #postfix[20:24:54] *** e-jones has quit IRC[20:26:37] <Dominian> mailbox_command = /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -c /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf -n -m "${EXTENSION}"[20:26:43] <Dominian> what other errors are in the log?[20:26:45] <Dominian> anything?[20:27:10] *** Belial_ has joined #postfix[20:27:37] <seekwill> dall: Sorry, I haven't been following.[20:31:45] *** made_of_storm has quit IRC[20:31:46] <dall> Dominian, excuse me[20:31:52] <dall> no i comment that row[20:32:06] <dall> i'm not using it...[20:32:20] <dall> seekwill: postfix/virtual[8602]: BA53F280996: to=<myaccount at mxadmin dot net>, relay=virtual, delay=54, delays=54/0.05/0/0.06, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)[20:32:27] <dall> what could it be?[20:34:13] <Dominian> dall: If you commented that row.. it wouldn't be showing in postconf -n[20:34:26] <dall> yes i comment it in a second time :)[20:34:30] <dall> now i uncomment[20:34:37] <dall> but i get the same error....[20:34:50] <dall> the problem is that i dont have /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf <------[20:35:03] <bulbous> is there any way to change the message headers in postfix -- right now when email gets sent to the root account, I have it forwarded to my personal email, but the to-address still shows mailto:root at example dot com -- seems like there's got to be an easy way to make the to header for all root email be my personal address -- any pointers greatly appreciated[20:35:06] <dall> that file was there from the previous installation[20:36:21] <dall> Dominian, i get "configuration error" so i don't think is mailbox_command....otherwise i probably had get[20:36:28] <dall> file not found or something like this, no?[20:39:39] <Dominian> possibly, but not sure where the 'configuration' error is[20:45:30] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[20:50:59] <dall> thank you guys![20:51:03] <dall> have a greaat day[20:51:05] <dall> i have to go[20:51:07] <dall> goodbye[20:52:01] *** dall has quit IRC[20:56:12] *** mambaw has joined #postfix[20:57:38] *** geek_cl has joined #postfix[20:57:45] *** bulbous has quit IRC[20:59:17] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[21:00:26] *** davlefou has quit IRC[21:00:34] *** uuser123 has quit IRC[21:05:24] *** hever has quit IRC[21:23:27] *** bulbous has quit IRC[21:25:25] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[21:28:06] *** ZOMGLAZERGUNSPEW has quit IRC[21:29:44] *** Wuiqed has joined #postfix[21:47:52] *** bulbous has quit IRC[21:49:21] *** pj has joined #postfix[21:49:32] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[21:51:56] <jimpop> hi all, I have a dovecot question, who here can help me?[21:52:04] <jimpop> :-)[21:52:15] <thumbs> jimpop: har har[21:52:19] <thumbs> jimpop: oh, you're serious?[21:52:28] <jimpop> no no no no[21:52:43] <jimpop> was just reading the chan backlog[21:53:35] <adaptr> SYSTEM ERROR EYEBALLZ ESPLODE we will hunt you down and feed you to qmail![21:54:05] <jimpop> lol. someone one should put a bot on #dovecot to give the impression that chan is useful[21:54:32] <thumbs> jimpop: it's quite dead in there.[21:54:38] <adaptr> 2.0 has started aping postfix, which is good.[21:55:24] <rob0> Timo is in there sometimes, so if you ask an interesting question at the right time, it's useful.[21:57:27] *** t67 has joined #postfix[21:57:43] <t67> Do I need to make any changes to enable IPv6?[21:57:51] *** bulbous has quit IRC[21:57:53] <adaptr> !ipv6[21:57:53] <knoba> adaptr: "ipv6" : Postfix 2.2 introduces support for the IPv6 protocol. See http://www.postfix.org/IPV6_README.html for details[21:59:22] *** Belial__ has joined #postfix[21:59:24] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[21:59:37] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[22:00:17] <bulbous> anyone know of a way to change the "To: " header in outbound mail from postfix -- I'd like mail sent to the root user on my box, e.g., to get sent to my personal email address, and have the header show my personal address rather than "To: root"[22:00:18] *** Belial_ has quit IRC[22:01:05] <adaptr> bulbous: you'd like to spoof your own email ? create confusion on purpose ?[22:01:06] <thumbs> !tell bulbous rewrite[22:01:06] <knoba> bulbous: "rewrite" : Postfix Address Rewriting features, see http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html[22:01:26] *** Muhis has joined #postfix[22:01:26] *** Muhis has joined #postfix[22:01:46] <bulbous> yeh I've been looking at the address rewriting readme -- have tried modifying /etc/postfix/virtual and /etc/postfix/canonical -- but something I'm doing is wrong[22:02:07] *** mambaw has quit IRC[22:02:43] <bulbous> adaptr: what I'm trying to do is make it so that the mail going to the root user on different boxes, all gets sent to linuxadmin at mydomain dot com -- so that people can filter email based on the To: address in the header[22:03:51] <bulbous> right now I've got the email being forwarded to linuxadmin at mydomain dot com, but gmail, e.g., sees the email as coming to root at mymachine1 dot com, root at mymachine2 dot com, etc... -- so I can't filter things easily using a single To: address[22:04:27] <bulbous> seems like it should be easy, but I've been reading about rewriting / trying things out, nothing I've done seems to modify the To: portion of the message at all[22:06:06] <bulbous> e.g., I see the following in gmail right now:[22:06:07] <bulbous> from root root at 82085-app01 dot eegore.com[22:06:07] <bulbous> to root at 82085-app01 dot eegore.com[22:06:07] <bulbous> date Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:59 AM[22:06:20] <bulbous> I'd like to see the to: part be linuxadmin at eegore dot com[22:06:22] *** pj has quit IRC[22:08:38] <bulbous> looks like maybe the header_checks is the way to go[22:09:33] *** t67 has quit IRC[22:17:18] *** dall has joined #postfix[22:17:22] <dall> hello guys![22:17:23] <dall> :)[22:18:04] *** Lenhix has joined #postfix[22:18:54] *** elb0w has quit IRC[22:19:18] <dall> May 13 22:11:37 vmi2495 dovecot: dovecot: User myemail at example dot net not allowed to log in using too low UNIX UID 103(postfix) (see first_valid_uid in config file)[22:20:58] *** bulbous has quit IRC[22:21:19] <geek_cl> not allowed to log in using too low UNIX UID 103[22:21:43] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[22:22:24] <Section1> anyways its a dovecot issue[22:22:37] <dall> yes i know, why? are the low IDs "reserved" ?[22:22:42] <dall> only a curiosity[22:22:46] <rob0> and a Postfix one ... misuse of user "postfix"[22:23:18] <Section1> sure have userdb static using Id of postfix in dovecot[22:23:26] <dall> i understand, but why I can't use low ids?[22:23:32] <dall> Section1, no userdb[22:23:33] <dall> :)[22:23:42] <dall> ops[22:23:45] <dall> yes....suredb[22:23:48] <dall> oooooooooooh[22:23:53] <dall> userdb[22:24:42] <dall> to read the messages have been stored by postfix i would like to use postfix user[22:24:55] <dall> can i set postfix UID to 5000[22:25:00] <Section1> use first_valid_uid 103[22:25:06] <rob0> !install[22:25:07] <knoba> rob0: "install" : http://www.postfix.org/INSTALL.html documents installation of Postfix from source code. If using a third-party distributed package, see your distributor's documentatation as well.[22:25:07] <Section1> in dovecot[22:25:18] <Lenhix> Hello. Any chance of getting help with postgrey here?[22:25:20] <rob0> !mail_owner[22:25:20] <knoba> rob0: "mail_owner" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The UNIX system account that owns the Postfix queue and most Postfix daemon processes. Specify the name of a user account that does not share a group with other accounts and that owns no other files or processes on the system. In particular, don't specify nobody or daemon. PLEASE USE A DEDICATED USER ID AND GROUP ID.[22:25:53] <rob0> Specify the name of a user account that does not share a group with other accounts and that owns no other files or processes on the system.[22:26:32] <dall> Section1, drwx------ 3 postfix postfix 4096 2011-05-13 21:51 example.net[22:26:47] <dall> if i don't use postfix user i can't read the account....so i must use it...[22:26:52] <rob0> YDIW.[22:27:08] <dall> i will fix using first_valid_uid 103[22:28:16] <rob0> I wish I could say that it would crash and burn when so horribly misconfigured, but unfortunately it probably won't.[22:28:37] <dall> rob0, i'm using virtual_uid_maps = static:103 and virtual_gid_maps = static:109[22:28:46] <rob0> YDIW.[22:29:12] <dall> what?[22:29:48] <rob0> You're Doing It Wrong. (See the INSTALL.html link and !mail_owner factoid.)[22:30:40] <dall> rob0, is not a postfix problem...but surelly i will read it[22:31:42] <rob0> It is a Postfix problem in that you have totally gutted the privilege separation security model.[22:34:29] <dall> aaaah are you telling me that i should not use postfix user for all.....and use mail_owner to set another UID[22:34:42] <Section1> dall, whats rob0 its saying that make something similar virtual_uid_maps = static:5000[22:34:50] <Section1> yeah that[22:35:11] <dall> Section1, i'm using virtual_uid_maps[22:35:17] <dall> so i can change that uid ?[22:35:19] <Section1> with postfix id[22:35:23] <dall> yes[22:35:25] <dall> with postfix ID[22:35:32] <Section1> change it[22:35:33] <dall> and it's wrong as you told me[22:35:52] <Section1> as rob0 says from begining[22:36:02] <rob0> Typically one would expect the Postfix mail_owner to be "postfix". As documented.[22:36:06] <dall> yes yes, ok[22:36:47] <dall> but the question is......if i change virtual_uid_maps with ANOTHER user...... what user will be user for the email storing[22:36:54] <dall> i try to explain...[22:37:02] <dall> i have /home/postifx/mail/ <-------- there[22:37:13] <rob0> What I wonder: if you have such misconceptions about Unix security, why are you running a mail server, and why virtual at that?[22:37:23] <dall> the domains/account they will have virtual_uid_maps permissions ?[22:38:00] <dall> no misconceptions...only to understand which user postfix will use to "write" the email message[22:38:08] <rob0> These questions are answered in the documentation that you are not reading, and that I will not retype/paste here for your benefit.[22:38:12] <dall> and then....do i have to use the same user for dovecot, right?[22:38:33] <dall> i understand you...no problem[22:39:48] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[22:40:49] *** bulbous has quit IRC[22:41:29] <adaptr> a *thinking*, documentation-reading person might reason that the most efficient way to do this is to use the same user database for both dovecot IMAP, SASL, and postfix[22:41:48] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[22:42:24] <jimpop> adaptr: quit trying to use logic. ;-)[22:42:42] <bulbous> header_checks REPLACE looks like it should do the trick, but it doesn't appear to work yet -- I'll post here when I've got it figured out[22:42:51] <rob0> This one is a "help vampire" who has sucked out all our goodwill.[22:43:23] <jimpop> ooh, vampires are all the rage these days.[22:43:37] <jimpop> i remember when it just some idiot in a hockey mask[22:43:41] *** lucas has quit IRC[22:43:55] <bulbous> jimpop: what I'm doing makes sense / not trying to confuse anyone, I'm actually trying to enhance the experience. Right now email sent to the root user both comes from root and goes to root -- I just want it to show up as going to the actual user that is receiving the email, instead of showing that it is going To: root[22:44:26] <jimpop> bulbous: i fully understand that. this chan is littered with you asking the same question over and over.....[22:44:42] <jimpop> 24 hours ago you were asking the same thing :-)[22:44:56] <jimpop> perhaps it was only 20 hours ago[22:44:59] <jimpop> still...[22:45:14] <adaptr> 18[22:46:50] *** geek_cl has quit IRC[22:47:02] *** Lenhix has quit IRC[22:47:07] *** Dma has joined #postfix[22:49:20] <rob0> I am still wondering why it matters.[22:49:40] <adaptr> confusion, extra crispy[22:49:46] <rob0> And if it does, why not change whatever generates the mail to generate it as desired?[22:50:07] <Section1> :)[22:50:13] <rob0> So no, it makes no sense at all, it looks quite absurd from here.[22:51:29] <Section1> he likes to hijacks emails (?)[22:51:31] <seekwill> Completely absurd!!![22:53:23] *** ced117 has quit IRC[22:55:06] *** lucas has joined #postfix[23:01:45] *** bulbous has quit IRC[23:03:54] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[23:04:45] *** Captain_Haddock has quit IRC[23:08:03] *** lawl has joined #postfix[23:08:36] *** sjrussel has quit IRC[23:09:51] <lawl> hi, how can i force the use of SMTP authentication for any mail sent through my email server, even if it is from my local network. e.g. if i connect via netcat to my mail server and send an email from user at mydomain dot tld to user at mydomain dot tld it doesn't give realy access denied, even having sasl_auth enabled[23:10:56] <lawl> i'm reading about email addres verification, but i think it is just for mail generated from non existent accounts.[23:11:22] <seekwill> People usually force auth over submission port (587) for "outbound" email, and have port 25 open for "inbound"/local delivery[23:11:43] <seekwill> So, what's your config, and how did you test this?[23:12:12] <lawl> i test it connecting to my email server's port 25[23:12:26] <lawl> let me paste my config.[23:12:26] <seekwill> Does this server face the Internet?[23:12:35] <lawl> yes it is, but it is behind a firewall[23:12:50] <lawl> altough 25 port is open to the world also[23:12:56] <seekwill> If I were to send an email to user at mydomain dot tld, how would I authenticate?[23:13:17] * adaptr always faces teh seriesoftubes[23:13:34] <lawl> if you try to send email to otherdomain.tld it gives relay access denied. But if i send to @mydomain.tld it let it pass[23:13:44] <seekwill> Put it this way, if a message is destined to mydomain.tld, authentication is not necessary. If a message relays through the server to another server, it needs to auth[23:13:52] <adaptr> excellent! at least you're not an open relay, then[23:13:53] <seekwill> So sounds good...[23:14:12] <lawl> yes my server is not a open relay[23:14:19] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[23:14:34] <lawl> i just want to know if it is possible to force SMTP auth even for emails from my mail server to my mail server[23:15:15] <adaptr> that doesn't make any sense[23:15:40] <seekwill> Why?[23:15:44] <lawl> why not?[23:15:54] *** xeodox has joined #postfix[23:16:00] <seekwill> Why not not?[23:16:20] <jimpop> Y U not not?[23:16:24] <lawl> if i connect to a server and i know a valid account can spam the whole server because it doesn't ask fro appropiate credentials[23:16:25] <seekwill> Have a purpose for your actions[23:16:43] <lawl> s/fro/for/gi[23:16:45] <seekwill> No[23:17:09] <seekwill> You don't get it... You don't need a valid acount to spam the whole server[23:17:25] <lawl> even with legitimate clients, when they send an email, they authenticate and send it[23:17:38] <seekwill> Ok[23:17:55] <seekwill> What are you trying to do?[23:18:32] <lawl> is this a normal thing ? i mean, isn't this a missconfiguration from my part ?[23:18:59] <seekwill> No, it's a misunderstanding of email services[23:19:27] <lawl> ok[23:19:29] <seekwill> <lawl> if i connect to a server and i know a valid account can spam the whole server because it doesn't ask fro appropiate credentials <-- If this was true, this is a misconfiguration[23:19:47] <lawl> yes it is true.[23:19:55] <seekwill> I don't think it is[23:20:03] <seekwill> I think you're interpreting incorrectly.[23:20:12] <Section1> lawl, you want that your users in your local lan use auth ?[23:20:20] <lawl> yes i am[23:20:27] <lawl> sorry, yes i do[23:21:43] <lawl> isn't it the way of how a mail server should server emails ? if you want to send an email through the server, authenticate to it and send the email[23:22:10] <Section1> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions[23:22:10] <knoba> Section1: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : Configuration parameter in main.cf: Access restrictions that the smtpd(8) applies in the context of the RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; See: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions[23:22:50] <lawl> it is not most on the sender restriction side ?[23:23:00] *** bulbous has quit IRC[23:23:39] <Section1> "These restrictions control relaying to external domains"[23:23:50] <rob0> lawl, if I wanted to send you a mail, how could I possibly authenticate? I don't have an account with you.[23:24:04] *** bulbous has joined #postfix[23:24:30] <lawl> in that case, I am the recipient so it should pass because my server is not sending it[23:25:11] <seekwill> So when you sent yourself an email... you were the recipient...[23:26:33] <lawl> well i suppose that i am missunderstanding how smtp protocol works[23:26:44] <seekwill> Wait...[23:26:58] <seekwill> You just said... you were the recipient... so it should pass because your server is not sending it...[23:27:04] <seekwill> So why doesn't it appy?[23:28:02] <rob0> !smtpd_sender_login_maps[23:28:02] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_sender_login_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup table with the SASL login names that own sender (MAIL FROM) addresses.[23:28:27] <rob0> !permit_mynetworks[23:28:27] <knoba> rob0: "permit_mynetworks" : Permit the request when the client IP address matches any network or network address listed in $mynetworks. Can be used in smtpd_*_restrictions.[23:28:31] <lawl> that is the thing i want to understand, i used to suppose that if i send an email from my mail client, it reach the mail server, the server queue it and then send it[23:29:10] <lawl> of course, when the client connects, it should send the username and password[23:29:21] <rob0> take permit_mynetworks out of smtpd_recipient_restrictions, maintain smtpd_sender_login_maps, use reject_authenticated_sender_mismatch[23:29:30] <rob0> !reject_authenticated_sender_mismatch[23:29:30] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_authenticated_sender_mismatch" is not a valid command.[23:29:41] <rob0> postconf.5.html#reject_authenticated_sender_mismatch[23:30:07] <lawl> thank you, i will try that[23:30:15] <seekwill> lawl: What you want is as I described before. Port 25 is used to "receive" mail. That port will accept mail from anyone as long as it is destined to your own domain. Port 587 requires auth and if you pass auth, you can send to anyone in the world through your server.[23:30:38] <seekwill> lawl: You need to understand the concepts and the process flow before configurating the system[23:30:53] <rob0> the latter part is optional, if you don't worry about your users using addresses which do not belong to them.[23:32:32] <lawl> seekwill, in that case, how can i prevent to send email that is requested to be sent from the port 25 ? (It should only recive emails not send it)[23:32:45] <seekwill> Hmm?[23:33:44] <lawl> let me read the smtp protocol documentation, before saying more, probabli not*much*intelligent things.[23:33:50] <Section1> i have a doubt ... can i use differents smtpd_recipient_restrictions example one for port 25 and other for port 587 ?[23:35:11] <lawl> well, my server doesn't even a 587 socket listening[23:35:29] <rob0> of course you can, see the comments in master.cf[23:35:39] <lawl> and i suppose, by this conversation, that is a missconfiguration[23:36:24] <Section1> heh thanks rob0[23:36:52] <Section1> i forgest the -o in master[23:36:56] <Section1> forget*[23:41:24] <lawl> well, if i connect to my server port 25 from an external Public IP address, and i send the typical mail from: rcpt to: from a valid email account to any valid accound on my server, the server send the email, there is a way to prevent that ?[23:42:37] <Section1> so never in the life you will get a external email[23:42:48] <dall> yeah i receive email!!![23:43:08] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[23:43:35] <lawl> Section1, but, it should only recive email from any external domain without problem, but no from the very same domain[23:43:43] <pickcoder> is there a service or software app that I can use to determine RFC compliance for multi-part mime header formation?[23:43:51] <pickcoder> along with other headers[23:45:41] <Section1> lawl, you want to reject mails from external servers with from=yourdomian.com to=yourdomain.com[23:46:03] <seekwill> lawl: Don't do that. Leave it alone[23:46:08] <seekwill> pickcoder![23:46:19] <pickcoder> hey will[23:46:26] <pickcoder> been hectic here[23:46:57] <lawl> why it could be a bad thing ?[23:47:32] <seekwill> Why do you want to do it?[23:47:34] <dall> guys.,,,one problem...i can receive the email but i cannot read them with IMAP...strangeee[23:48:06] <dall> i have: cur mail new tmp[23:48:16] <dall> the new messages are stored into new directory[23:48:19] <seekwill> Anything in new/ ?[23:48:24] <Section1> avoid fake emails i suppose[23:48:27] <dall> i can read them with SSH[23:48:37] <lawl> i'm trying to acomplissh this because i am reciving spam from the same valid account to the same valid account[23:48:38] <dall> there is the message, i can read it perfectly[23:48:39] <seekwill> Dovecot isn't working[23:48:42] <Section1> check dovecot logs dall[23:48:50] <seekwill> lawl: Check for spam via other means[23:49:07] <dall> seekwill, dovecot processes are running[23:49:10] <seekwill> lawl: Use RBLs[23:49:13] <pickcoder> the only destination checking I do is on HELO[23:49:18] <seekwill> dall: Dovecot is misconfigured[23:49:19] <lawl> i am using them[23:49:21] <dall> Section1, i have to add log[23:49:36] <dall> log_path = dovecont.log[23:49:37] <dall> i try[23:49:51] <seekwill> lawl: Use content scanning. Use a number of other ways. And fine, it's spam, just delete it and go on with life[23:50:09] <lawl> ummm[23:50:28] <Section1> dall, early you paste dovecots logs here[23:50:39] <dall> ok[23:51:19] <dall> ok, dovecot.log creates...now i try to connect with thunderbird[23:51:38] <lawl> that means, that behavior is a common and regular behavior of a mail system ? let SEND emails from external locations from the very same domain to its domain without any auth mechanism ?[23:52:05] <Section1> i thinks its totaly normal that[23:53:00] <dall> hmmm no good info......only: 2011-05-13 23:53:25 imap-login: Info: Login: user=<myaccount at mxadmin dot net>, method=PLAIN, rip=xx.xx.xxx.xxx, lip=xx.xxx.xxx.xxx, TLS[23:53:01] <dall> stop[23:53:27] <Section1> maybe with spf ?[23:53:33] <Section1> i dont use spf rigth now[23:53:40] <pickcoder> lawl: you can't control FROM: spoofing on other servers. HELO checks are helpful on your side, but the reality is you're best using an RBL and adding SPF as an optional secondary check[23:53:42] <seekwill> Don't reject on SPF either...[23:53:54] <lawl> rob0, you, who are a master in postfix, is that true ?[23:54:19] <dall> dovecont.conf http://nopaste.info/0558a1a7ae_nl.html[23:54:39] <dall> auth.d and conf.d are empty[23:55:06] <lawl> pickcoder, but it is not on other servers, it is from the very same email server[23:55:21] <rob0> You can do a check_sender_access lookup with "example.com reject", lawl, where example.com is your domain (one listing for each domain.)[23:55:55] <rob0> this would only apply to your MX port, of course, not to submission.[23:56:49] <lawl> http://pastebin.com/D34jNVrK[23:57:28] <lawl> that is what i want to prevent, by the way, the subnet is not in $mynetworks[23:57:41] <lawl> actually only localhost and server IP is in $mynetworks[23:57:57] <dall> Section1, what do you think?[23:58:27] <lawl> rob0, i will try that[23:58:30] *** seekwill has quit IRC[23:59:28] <Section1> in SPF exists this reject: SPF: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is not allowed to send mail from domain.com[23:59:58] <Section1> dall, exists #postfix