May 10, 2011 
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May 10, 2011 [00:00:29] *** mambaw has quit IRC[00:01:23] <w7nz7k> i'm testing via telnet my server... it works. but i still cannot receive "external" emails... any hints on where to get started?[00:02:19] <lunaphyte_> i don't understand.[00:03:35] <lunaphyte_> was there something wrong with the channel /topic?[00:04:22] *** gencha has quit IRC[00:04:31] *** gencha has joined #postfix[00:05:17] *** udoprog has quit IRC[00:05:37] *** udoprog has joined #postfix[00:07:51] *** deface has joined #postfix[00:08:11] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[00:08:17] *** deface is now known as Guest11276[00:08:37] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[00:08:37] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[00:08:37] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[00:09:49] *** w7nz7k has quit IRC[00:09:57] *** Guest91537 has quit IRC[00:09:57] *** dan__t has quit IRC[00:09:57] *** pj has quit IRC[00:10:04] *** pj has joined #postfix[00:10:45] *** dan__t has joined #postfix[00:14:18] *** e-anima has quit IRC[00:14:41] *** Muhis has quit IRC[00:14:47] *** Muhis has joined #postfix[00:15:34] *** Section1 has quit IRC[00:21:39] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[00:22:14] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[00:22:34] <adaptr> lunaphyte_: yes, it's all your fault[00:22:42] <adaptr> "duh"[00:25:07] *** Linex has quit IRC[00:25:22] *** Linex has joined #postfix[00:43:39] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[00:43:47] *** seekwill has quit IRC[00:44:49] *** hever has joined #postfix[00:46:22] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[00:52:08] <standon> "Shame on you, SUSE and Red Hat."[00:54:19] <lunaphyte> whatever it is, i agree.[00:56:00] <standon> lunaphyte: huh?[00:56:11] <standon> lunaphyte: oh, you didn't read the advisory today?[00:56:28] <lunaphyte> i guess not.[00:57:36] <standon> guess?[00:58:08] <lunaphyte> hmm?[00:58:09] <standon> lunaphyte: http://www.postfix.org/CVE-2011-1720.html[00:58:50] <lunaphyte> oh, thanks.[00:59:01] <standon> lunaphyte: np.[00:59:26] <lunaphyte> i saw that when i glanced at the ml subjects earlier, but really haven't been in front of a computer much today, until just now.[00:59:42] <standon> lunaphyte: same here, freaking $dayjob gets in the way of this.[00:59:50] <wdp_> 404 :<[00:59:53] <lunaphyte> heh[01:00:20] <standon> wdp_: shame, works fine here.[01:00:45] <standon> wdp_: try http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/220958[01:00:52] * standon &[01:00:57] <wdp_> works.[01:01:23] <lunaphyte> oh, that was a quote right from the message. that's funny.[01:02:08] <lunaphyte> i'd love to know the particulars of that.[01:02:37] <wdp_> yeah[01:02:42] <wdp_> its at the bottom of the article[01:02:53] <wdp_> now i'm forced to read the whole thing[01:02:54] <wdp_> :/[01:04:19] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[01:08:44] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[01:13:11] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[01:14:11] *** Captain_Haddock has quit IRC[01:14:16] *** C4pt41n_Haddock has joined #postfix[01:18:07] <jimpop> standon: does it still work from there if you clear your browser cache?[01:20:00] *** enterhaken has joined #postfix[01:24:39] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[01:24:39] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[01:24:42] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[01:30:50] *** basho__ has quit IRC[01:52:07] *** Motoko has quit IRC[01:53:09] *** mehwork has left #postfix[02:15:03] *** Tykling has quit IRC[02:16:04] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[02:18:33] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[02:26:18] <standon> jimpop: back, do you still need me to check?[02:26:25] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[02:27:26] *** blue_whael has joined #postfix[02:27:59] <standon> jimpop: i just opened the link from a different location entirely, using lynx, so now cache issues involved.[02:29:50] <jimpop> standon: that's wierd. still 404 from here[02:30:05] <jimpop> The requested URL /CVE-2011-1720.html was not found on this server.[02:30:25] <thumbs> jimpop: it doesn't like you, apparently.[02:30:38] <jimpop> Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) Phusion_Passenger/3.0.2 PHP/5.2.17 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 Server at www.postfix.cloud9.net Port 80[02:31:01] <jimpop> must be a cache issue w/ cloud9. I'm in Atlanta.[02:31:37] <thumbs> jimpop: or some lame proxy.[02:32:09] <jimpop> thumbs: no proxy here, and the main postfix.org site works... just that one page is missing[02:32:50] *** ampletime has joined #postfix[02:33:17] <thumbs> jimpop: smells like a transparent proxy, still[02:33:26] <blue_whael> how could there be a cache without a proxy?[02:33:27] <ampletime> hi[02:34:01] <ampletime> i meant ehlo*[02:34:02] <ampletime> :)[02:34:11] <jimpop> thumbs: what cache do you hit when you visit http://www.postfix.org/doesnt-exist ?[02:37:12] <standon> jimpop: now i'm getting the 404![02:37:29] <jimpop> what's the host name in the bottom of the error page?[02:37:32] <standon> jimpop: from my desktop box in browser; lynx from another location still OK.[02:37:42] <standon> jimpop: same as the one you just posted.[02:37:54] <thumbs> Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) Phusion_Passenger/3.0.2 PHP/5.2.17 mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 Server at www.postfix.cloud9.net Port 80[02:38:14] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[02:38:31] *** lunaphyte is now known as Guest63408[02:39:04] *** hever has quit IRC[02:39:43] <jimpop> ok, cloud9 problem then.[02:41:26] *** Guest63408 has quit IRC[02:42:10] <jimpop> if you hardcode the netherlands server (131.211.84.186) in your hosts file then the page exists.[02:42:42] * standon nods[02:42:50] <standon> is reading it via the netherlands server.[02:43:06] <standon> in any case, the same text is readable on the list archives. :)[02:43:25] <jimpop> ;-) but only do we now know that for sure. ;-)[02:54:40] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[02:55:53] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[03:00:50] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[03:05:06] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:05:57] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[03:07:30] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:09:23] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:09:33] *** eckirchn has joined #postfix[03:09:50] *** tibyke has quit IRC[03:16:22] *** tibyke has joined #postfix[03:16:40] *** tibyke has joined #postfix[03:23:17] *** ampletime has quit IRC[03:27:05] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[03:31:59] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[03:32:14] *** lunaphyte is now known as Guest62503[03:35:39] *** camro has quit IRC[03:36:54] *** Guest62503 has quit IRC[03:38:12] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[03:38:38] *** k-man has joined #postfix[03:39:39] <k-man> this is probably not really a postfix issue, but when wordpress tries to send an email for users to recover their pw, postfix reports: www-data@localhost>: Sender address rejected need fully-qualified address (in reply to RCPT TO command[03:39:51] <k-man> any suggestions on fixing that?[03:40:37] <k-man> also, this is a virtual host that hosts many mx records - so it would be good if the email came from the correct domain name too[03:41:20] <dragonheart> !sender_canonical_maps[03:41:21] <knoba> dragonheart: "sender_canonical_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address mapping lookup tables for envelope and header sender addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in canonical(5).[03:42:30] <k-man> dragonheart, thanks for the pointer - ill probably be back to ask further questions after reading up on it :)[03:43:00] *** eyecue has joined #postfix[03:43:10] <dragonheart> k - i may be busy depending so please do as much as you can yourself[03:43:11] *** eyecue has quit IRC[03:43:11] *** eyecue has joined #postfix[03:43:27] <k-man> sure :)[04:00:21] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[04:01:48] *** blue_whael has quit IRC[04:18:09] <k-man> just in case anyone cares, turns out there is a plugin for wordpress to solve just this sort of problem, called MailPress - no need to change postfix settings to solve the problem[04:18:13] <k-man> dragonheart, thanks for your help.[04:18:20] <dragonheart> np[04:19:03] <k-man> with this problem it involved postfix, apache and php/wordpress - it was hard to work out where to start.[04:19:43] <dragonheart> fixing it at wordpress is definately the right way. glad you found it there. not sure why it needs a plugin to acheive this.[04:20:34] *** failure has quit IRC[04:20:42] <eyecue> moin[04:21:50] <k-man> dragonheart, I expect it might need it when you have virtual hosts on your system but im not sure[04:22:30] <dragonheart> happy sysadmining :-)[04:23:00] <k-man> I wish ;)[04:27:39] <k-man> spoke too soon, it set the email for other email events but not the recover password from address[04:27:47] <k-man> I'm probably just missing a setting[04:28:55] <thumbs> k-man: all material for #wordpress![04:29:32] <k-man> yeah sorry - I was just making polite conversation[04:33:44] *** rlf has joined #postfix[04:34:11] *** rlf has left #postfix[04:35:01] *** rlf has joined #postfix[04:35:25] <rlf> if i got postfix setup the way i need to but I lots of email addresses to handle and instead of doing this command line which frontend gui would be recommended?[04:38:18] <standon> rlf: google 'postfix + gui'.[04:38:54] <rlf> i get many options but i am not sure which one would be recommended[04:39:55] <standon> everyone has different needs; try and see which one suits yours.[04:41:51] <rlf> ok well i asked in other channels but postfix gurus and was yelled at saying all GUI's break, but I simply have too many email addresses to deal with command line[04:47:38] <Tabmow> rlf: postfixadmin is well rounded an actively developed.[04:51:53] <standon> rlf: learn to script; a GUI is not the answer.[05:10:08] *** MAAAAAD has quit IRC[05:11:44] *** lunaphyte___ has joined #postfix[05:11:44] *** lunaphyte___ has joined #postfix[05:11:58] *** lunaphyte___ is now known as lunaphyte[05:17:36] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[05:23:28] *** MAAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:26:37] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[05:46:28] *** Bracki has quit IRC[05:46:33] *** Bracki has joined #postfix[05:53:05] *** shoonya has quit IRC[06:09:44] *** vardomescro has joined #postfix[06:10:46] <vardomescro> !welcome[06:10:46] <knoba> vardomescro: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[06:11:49] <vardomescro> !debug[06:11:49] <knoba> vardomescro: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[06:27:44] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[06:30:57] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[06:30:57] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[06:35:44] *** roentgen has quit IRC[06:47:26] *** hever has joined #postfix[06:51:35] *** hever has quit IRC[07:01:01] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[07:06:37] *** C4pt41n_Haddock is now known as Captain_Haddock[07:06:40] *** Captain_Haddock has joined #postfix[07:09:26] *** xeodox has joined #postfix[07:10:29] <xeodox> If I send 30,000 legitimate, non-spam emails a day (assuming I have lots of users, and they all want email notifications) from the server, will Gmail/yahoo/hotmail blacklist me simply because I send too much from the same IP/same server?[07:23:58] *** vardomescro has quit IRC[07:39:00] <eyecue> xeodox; not necessarily.[07:39:15] <xeodox> eyecue: thanks. I heard that gmail "limits" your server[07:39:25] <eyecue> xeodox; the big webmail providers have very healthy thresholds for maximum number of simultaneous connections from a single sender[07:39:42] <xeodox> So , you are saying that...as long as people like my emails, and I do all the basic stuff (dkim/spf,rdns)[07:39:50] <xeodox> I can send as much as I want, right? (from a single IP)[07:39:51] <eyecue> xeodox; hotmail yahoo and gmail have 'postmaster' sites which give you very clear guidelines on how to send them mail[07:41:02] <eyecue> xeodox; make sure your bounce rates are low (process your bounces quickly and thoroughly), make sure you're signed up to yahoo/aol/hotmail FBL's, and make sure your recipients are engaged (opening/reading) the mail.[07:41:23] <eyecue> FBL's are there so you can unsubscribe those that complain (click mark as spam, this is junk)[07:41:39] <xeodox> what is "FBL"?[07:41:44] <eyecue> feedback loop[07:41:45] <xeodox> i see.[07:42:07] <eyecue> again, hotmail (SNDS) yahoo and aol (and others) have FBL's you can access[07:42:15] <xeodox> i see I see[07:42:22] <xeodox> I'll sign up for those[07:42:24] <eyecue> and youll want to do that, as complaints are a primary driver of reputation (and thus deliverability)[07:42:39] <eyecue> xeodox; sorry, hotmails one is called JMRP (junk mail reporting program)[07:42:50] <eyecue> SNDS is another tool hotmail provide that will show you if youre blocked, and why[07:43:31] <eyecue> xeodox; you mentioned your recipients 'wanting' your mail, how do you ascribe that?[07:43:45] <xeodox> Because they are my users, and they checked "OK" in settings[07:43:51] <xeodox> They can always go to the site and uncheck the box.[07:44:24] <eyecue> Does each message show them who theyre subscribed as, and how they can unsub ?[07:44:33] <xeodox> Yep[07:44:40] <xeodox> Simple link at bottom , they can click and change settings.[07:44:45] <eyecue> Do you pre-check a box, or do you have expressed (action by the user) consent ?[07:44:57] <xeodox> pre-check lol, like most sites[07:45:09] <eyecue> xeodox; You may want to consider blurb at the top. Mark As Spam buttons dont move as they scroll in an email[07:45:25] <xeodox> what do you mean "mark as spam buttons dont move"?[07:45:32] <eyecue> xeodox; rule of thumb being; make it easier to unsubscribe than complain (mark as spam)[07:45:32] <xeodox> Oh I see.[07:45:57] <xeodox> The messages are really short. (4 sentences). Basically it just says: Your friend sent you a message, "hello Alex!" . Click here to view it: http://abc.com/abc . ..[07:46:04] <eyecue> xeodox; do you confirm / welcome / validate subscriptions (since youre pre-checking a box?)[07:46:06] <xeodox> Ahh i see i see[07:46:19] <eyecue> Sure, like forum message notifications[07:46:31] <xeodox> After they un-check the email boxes, I just save the settings and that's it.[07:46:46] <eyecue> I mean, since youre pre-checking, what kind of email validation do you do ?[07:46:53] <xeodox> nothing. it's from facebook connect[07:46:58] <xeodox> i get their email from Facebook[07:47:00] <eyecue> right[07:47:04] <eyecue> so its already validated[07:47:09] <xeodox> Yep[07:47:15] <eyecue> do you welcome them ? saying you will start to receive notifications from now ?[07:48:03] <eyecue> xeodox; prechecking is not 'wanting', you may well be able to 'sell' the feature more prominently to them without auto-subscribing them, and having very clear expectations from the user[07:48:05] <xeodox> I welcome them once, yes. Hmmm. I should also tell them they are receiving emails from now on , in the bottom[07:48:35] <eyecue> xeodox; Maybe a notice on your website everytime they login, reminding them they can get 'convenient' automatic notifications'[07:49:14] <xeodox> ok[07:49:21] <eyecue> xeodox; Again, if you dont already have a great reputation, you can either take the hit sending high volumes until ISP's have warmed to you, or you can start with best-practice from the start, and not effect your reputation further[07:49:47] <xeodox> reputation? as a domain name you mean[07:50:34] <eyecue> xeodox; every IP/domain (seperately and together) has a 'reputation' as seen by receiving mail servers.[07:50:42] <xeodox> gotcha[07:51:03] <eyecue> not really a postfix question, but yeh, that should get you going.[07:51:10] <xeodox> thanks so much :)[07:51:18] <xeodox> where would I go for questions like these?[07:51:18] <eyecue> no problem, PM me if you need anything else[07:51:24] <xeodox> thanks[07:51:29] <eyecue> not sure there is a place :)[07:51:30] <xeodox> are you a system adminisrrator or?[07:51:34] <eyecue> and/or :)[07:51:48] <eyecue> freebsd systems arch, and tech consult on a lot of other projects[07:51:51] <xeodox> oh, where are you located?[07:51:59] <eyecue> email marketing / rep management among other things[07:52:01] <eyecue> sydney, au[07:52:06] <xeodox> ahh i see[07:54:59] <xeodox> eyecue: One more thing. what is the Feedback loop (yahoo) for?[07:55:13] <xeodox> It says that when users mark things as spam, they get forwarded to me at mydomain dot com ?[07:55:17] <xeodox> what do I do after that?[07:58:00] *** Linex has quit IRC[07:59:42] *** infid has quit IRC[08:02:48] *** infid has joined #postfix[08:03:30] <xeodox> oh ok, i think i know. it allows me to remove that person from my list so I don't keep sending them emails[08:04:03] *** xeodox has quit IRC[08:08:35] *** infid has quit IRC[08:09:06] *** infid has joined #postfix[08:10:15] *** asb has quit IRC[08:20:36] *** asb has joined #postfix[08:25:09] *** juergen_dose has joined #postfix[08:25:21] *** juergen_dose is now known as car_[08:25:58] *** samix has joined #postfix[08:28:41] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:28:58] <car_> hi, how do i tell postfix, to bounce a single email-address (bounce at example dot com) even though i defined a catch-all ( at example dot com)[08:30:05] *** pif has quit IRC[08:31:45] <samix> car_: bounce is evil[08:31:51] <samix> why dont you REJECT it ?[08:32:09] <car_> samix: reject is also fine[08:32:56] <samix> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-blacklist-reject-sender-email-address/[08:33:54] <car_> dont know why i wasnt able to find this by my own. thx . exactly waht iam looking for[08:34:19] <samix> that was the first like I got on google[08:34:27] <car_> :-D[08:34:44] <samix> http://www.google.com/search?q=postfix+reject+email+from+address&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a[08:35:21] <adaptr> !tell car_ access[08:35:22] <knoba> car_: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[08:36:31] *** hever has joined #postfix[08:36:31] <adaptr> samix: please don't advise people bad things[08:36:52] *** pif has joined #postfix[08:37:19] <car_> i get it :)[08:37:55] <samix> i give up.. -sigh[08:38:35] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[08:45:29] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[08:45:55] *** asb has quit IRC[08:46:07] *** cilly has joined #postfix[08:50:44] *** asb has joined #postfix[08:55:53] *** car_ has quit IRC[08:58:43] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[09:01:13] *** eyecue has quit IRC[09:09:33] *** weedar has joined #postfix[09:17:53] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[09:17:58] *** samix has quit IRC[09:18:02] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[09:24:15] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[09:25:42] *** Motoko has quit IRC[09:27:06] *** e-haken has joined #postfix[09:28:06] *** cilly has quit IRC[09:28:32] *** enterhaken has quit IRC[09:30:09] *** hipodilski has joined #postfix[09:30:37] <hipodilski> hi my mail server suddenly started sending to gmail in Spam folder, what might be the reason. It is not listed in any blacklists?[09:30:47] <hipodilski> does google have a mail server removal form or smth like microsoft?[09:32:50] <pj> hipodilski: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=81126[09:34:22] *** asb has quit IRC[09:36:53] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[09:44:01] *** asb has joined #postfix[09:51:55] <hipodilski> pj: I don't have dkim but I was thinking if they have a form or something I can fill in it will be great[09:52:55] <pj> hipodilski: I am not aware of any such form but that link is google telling you exactly what you need to do to avoid getting your emails marked as spam.[09:54:45] *** shoonya has quit IRC[09:58:06] <hipodilski> pj: thing is my emails are marked as spam already[09:59:16] <pj> hipodilski: right, you still need to read that doc and do what it says.[10:00:00] <pj> before you run off contacting google to complain, that is, because the first thing they will ask you is if you're following all of the suggestions on that page.[10:00:09] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[10:00:51] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[10:02:48] *** hipodilski has quit IRC[10:06:58] *** pif has quit IRC[10:10:45] *** abyss has joined #postfix[10:11:44] *** cilly has joined #postfix[10:13:57] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[10:18:39] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[10:18:41] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[10:24:03] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[10:24:04] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[10:53:24] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[11:06:17] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[11:19:22] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[11:22:52] *** empity has joined #postfix[11:25:55] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:25:56] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:28:52] *** camro has joined #postfix[11:37:48] *** JoKoT3_ has joined #postfix[11:37:52] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:37:57] *** JoKoT3_ has quit IRC[11:38:03] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[11:38:09] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[11:45:10] *** gebi has joined #postfix[11:51:14] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[11:54:17] *** TomHome has quit IRC[11:54:47] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[12:06:45] *** s0ber_ has joined #postfix[12:08:02] *** s0ber has quit IRC[12:08:17] *** s0ber_ is now known as s0ber[12:14:08] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[12:19:04] *** camro has quit IRC[12:19:26] *** camro has joined #postfix[12:20:16] *** BlackDex has joined #postfix[12:23:59] *** camro has quit IRC[12:27:34] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[12:31:10] <BlackDex> hello there[12:31:13] <BlackDex> i have a problem[12:31:17] <BlackDex> and i can't figure it out[12:31:34] <BlackDex> i have setup postfix with mysql[12:32:27] <BlackDex> lets say i have an mailbox firstname at domain dot com[12:32:42] <BlackDex> now i want to create an alias firstname.lastname at domain dot com[12:32:56] <BlackDex> and point that to firstname at domain dot com[12:33:16] <BlackDex> that currently isn't working :([12:34:04] <BlackDex> the log file keeps telling me that firstname.lastname at domain dot com is unknown[12:36:59] <matt1982> is the mail working correctly for firstname at domain dot com?[12:37:17] <BlackDex> yes[12:37:20] <matt1982> I have not done postfix with mysql yet just learning the basics but that is where I would start[12:37:55] <BlackDex> Is there a way to have postfix do more verbose logging?[12:45:03] <UQlev> BlackDex: how do you manage accounts? postfixadmin?[12:49:26] *** hever has quit IRC[12:49:42] *** ldfsilva has joined #postfix[12:53:01] <BlackDex> UQlev: Yes[12:53:14] <BlackDex> i have more verbose logging enabled now[12:53:27] <BlackDex> and i see that postfix gets the correct alias[12:53:51] <BlackDex> so postfix found that first.last at domain dot com should go to first at domain dot com[12:54:12] <BlackDex> but it doesn't tell that to the dovecot transport (or virtual transport)[12:54:40] <UQlev> BlackDex: how did you create this alias manually or via postfixadmin?[12:54:43] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[12:54:48] <BlackDex> via postfixadmin[12:55:20] <UQlev> BlackDex: there must be option to send greetings to newly created alias[12:56:54] <BlackDex> not to aliases[12:56:58] <BlackDex> only to mailboxes[12:57:09] <UQlev> hmm[12:57:53] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:58:09] <BlackDex> but still, if that existed, that that welcom mail won't be delivered[12:59:25] <UQlev> BlackDex: do you have mysqladmin?[12:59:44] <BlackDex> not realy why?[12:59:58] <UQlev> BlackDex: or use mysqlclient to get into your base[13:00:39] <BlackDex> i have phpmyadmin[13:00:56] <UQlev> it is the same[13:01:19] <UQlev> check table virtual aliases[13:01:31] <UQlev> if new records appeared[13:01:42] <BlackDex> it does[13:01:56] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[13:02:04] <BlackDex> postmap -q also returns the correct info[13:05:25] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[13:05:26] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[13:09:11] *** cilly has quit IRC[13:17:42] <abyss> it's possible to get attachment from shell (when MTA get mails then dovecot deliver to directory and i'd like to get this attachment from shell (base64 code) );)[13:18:41] <BlackDex> it also seems that the transport maps arn't working any more :([13:23:45] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[13:24:05] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[13:25:57] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:27:58] *** hever has joined #postfix[13:29:59] *** enhance-2k has joined #postfix[13:30:30] *** camro has joined #postfix[13:30:52] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[13:34:40] *** JoKoT3 has quit IRC[13:47:39] <abyss> ok, i do it ;)[13:49:32] <matt1982> hmm If i want to send mail via virtual mailboxes. I was previously using system accounts. However now no mail is received. I believe it could be because I have a warning in my main.cf regarding mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains containing the same domain. If that is the case what should I set mydestination to? Should I just comment the line out?[13:56:05] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[13:58:32] <lunaphyte_> !tell matt1982 welcome[13:58:32] <knoba> matt1982: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[14:04:59] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[14:12:30] *** camro has quit IRC[14:25:46] <BlackDex> Ok.. i still have the same problem as about 2 hours ago[14:26:17] <BlackDex> what i have found out, is that postfix correctly retrieves the alias information[14:26:41] <lunaphyte_> !tell BlackDex welcome[14:26:41] <knoba> BlackDex: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[14:27:19] <BlackDex> so it finds fist.last at domain dot com that it should redirect it to first at domain dot com[14:27:21] <BlackDex> BUT[14:27:38] <BlackDex> it never uses that found address any more[14:27:51] <BlackDex> it still keeps using first.last at domain dot com[14:38:02] <ichdasich> !tell ichdasich rfc[14:38:02] <knoba> ichdasich: Error: No factoid matches that key.[14:39:05] <ichdasich> having a faulty a-record for the ptr of your mx is a rfc-violation, isn't it?[14:40:10] <lunaphyte_> no. just lame.[14:42:24] <ichdasich> lunaphyte_: should i rather make my host accept those mail sources, or make the other side change its behaviour?[14:44:18] <lunaphyte_> the latter, of course. any competent, confident admin will be grateful to have such a deficient configuration brought to their attention.[14:44:52] <ichdasich> *nod*[14:44:54] <ichdasich> will do.[14:51:23] <Mark22> ichdasich: first create a whitelist based on connections in the past you want to be possible[14:51:50] <Mark22> or if you also have clients on the receiving MTA you'll get many support calls (at least that is possible)[14:52:13] <Shuro> jense: Thanks for your answer yesterday[14:54:05] *** TomHome has quit IRC[14:55:09] *** dall has joined #postfix[14:55:13] <dall> hello[14:57:22] <lunaphyte_> hi[14:58:15] <dall> if i'm using virtual_mailbox_domains do i also have to set "mydomain" parameter?[14:58:34] <lunaphyte_> why do you ask?[14:59:16] <dall> can i not?[14:59:25] <lunaphyte_> why do you ask?[14:59:27] <Aprogas> It is helpful for us to know the context.[14:59:53] <dall> ok[15:00:08] <dall> i read on the doc what is mydomain[15:00:11] <dall> The internet domain name of this mail system. <----[15:00:31] <dall> ok, i have many domains example1.com exmaple2.com example3.com i have set them on virtual_mailbox_domains[15:01:08] <dall> so.. i there are more then one domain[15:01:25] <dall> so, the question is: do i really need mydomain?[15:01:30] <Aprogas> Perhaps you should take another close look at the documentation of mydomain; the purpose is explained.[15:01:34] <dall> (excuse me if it's a stupid question)[15:01:35] <lunaphyte_> it doesn't matter. those are just domains for which postfix will accept email.[15:01:56] <lunaphyte_> the computer on which postfix runs has a canonical hostname, and therefore a canonical domain name.[15:02:28] <dall> lunaphyte_: ok, what what to you mean with "canonical" i have set myhostname as FQDM[15:02:31] <dall> and mydomain?[15:02:44] <Aprogas> Technically you don't *need* to specify mydomain, because it has a sensible default, but you could set it anyway in case that default ever changes.[15:03:30] <dall> ok but what is the default?[15:03:44] <lunaphyte_> myhostname should be a concatenation of the non fully qualified hostname of the computer and $mydomain.[15:03:52] <lunaphyte_> e.g. foo.$mydomain[15:04:14] <dall> shit i don't understand...[15:04:22] <dall> i have a vps postfix has set[15:04:34] <dall> vm32432.myvpsexample.com[15:04:49] <dall> do i have to leave it or change it ?[15:04:51] <Aprogas> Why not just tell us the real hostname?[15:05:09] <dall> if i check the FWDM of the VPS I get vm32432[15:05:10] <lunaphyte_> hmm. sounds like you need to learn more about system administration basics then before doing more complex things like running a mailserver.[15:05:38] <Aprogas> FWDM?[15:05:45] <dall> FWDM[15:05:47] <dall> shit[15:05:49] <dall> ehehe[15:05:52] <dall> FQDM[15:05:53] <lunaphyte_> unfortunately, there are fundamentals that appear to not yet be part of your arsenal. those are a prerequisite to doing things like running a mail server.[15:05:53] <dall> :)[15:06:11] <dall> OK, could you give me a doc to learn about it ?[15:09:11] <dall> ok, no problem...thank you[15:09:18] <matt1982> hmm so if mydomain was set to mydomain.com and you are wanting to run the emails for mydomain.com as a virtual mailbox what should the value for mydomain be? or is it quite simply a case of you cant run it as a virtual mailbox?[15:10:23] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:10:34] <dall> virtual[15:10:45] <lunaphyte_> matt1982: please don't use other people's domain names in your examples.[15:11:12] <matt1982> hmm sorry i should of used example.com[15:11:33] <lunaphyte_> to answer your question, one does not preclude the other. they should simply be set to whatever they should be set to. a computer's hostname is whatever it is.[15:12:04] <dall> ok[15:12:31] <dall> so i can set myhostiname and mydomain with the VPS information and then set virtual_mailbox_domains with the domains of the system[15:12:31] <dall> ok[15:12:45] <lunaphyte_> indeed[15:13:38] <dall> ok lunaphyte_ thank you[15:13:45] <lunaphyte_> you're welcome[15:14:26] <matt1982> dall it will give warning though if you try to put the domain that is set at mydomain into the virtual_mailbox_domains. I believe that to be the case from what I read at least.[15:14:41] *** Cain` has joined #postfix[15:14:43] <lunaphyte_> no[15:15:09] <lunaphyte_> postfix will issue a warning if things are improperly configured.[15:15:10] <dall> no i dont' whant to put mydomain in my virtual_mailbox_domains are two different things[15:15:33] <matt1982> dall, no worries then :D[15:16:07] <dall> i have to study...i have to work with gmail staff next week, they hired me ahahaha[15:16:26] <matt1982> I best move to hotmail then :D[15:16:31] *** Cain has quit IRC[15:17:04] <dall> ahahaha :)[15:17:23] *** Cain` is now known as Cain[15:18:24] <dall> shit name.com do not support PRT record...i can add it[15:18:25] <dall> :([15:18:31] <dall> PTR[15:18:34] <lunaphyte_> enough with the language.[15:18:46] *** dacm_work has left #postfix[15:19:52] <dall> pardon[15:24:34] *** Section1 has quit IRC[15:25:46] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:30:47] *** jujugre has quit IRC[15:31:53] *** ghghz has joined #postfix[15:32:44] <ghghz> Hey. Is it possible to relay all mails, which aren't localy? I mean, if maildir is local, so use local transport if remote, then use relayhost?[15:34:09] <lunaphyte_> probably[15:34:41] <ghghz> how? :)[15:36:14] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[15:36:17] <lunaphyte_> dunno. your question is too vague.[15:40:31] <Aprogas> !gigo[15:40:31] <knoba> Aprogas: "gigo" : Garbage In, Garbage Out: a basic law in computing (and everything.)[15:41:02] <matt1982> lunaphyte, think I have solved an issue with my setup after going over my settings. You made me realise I had set myhostname to localhost which wouldn't let it send externally to other domains. Many thanks :D[15:42:53] <ghghz> lunaphyte_: I understand. I thought, that if I set relayhost = blabla it will relay all mails including local[15:43:19] *** BlackDex has quit IRC[15:48:25] *** enhance-2k has quit IRC[15:52:29] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:10:58] <h16h> id just like to say, time and time again, when shit doesnt work[16:11:03] <h16h> go back and check your config before going crazy[16:11:05] *** Belial_ has joined #postfix[16:11:15] <h16h> a simple typo![16:11:15] <h16h> lol[16:13:38] <Aprogas> Simple typos, as opposed to complicated typos.[16:14:22] <h16h> typo is a typo[16:14:33] <h16h> i mean it was as simple as a typo in my main.cf[16:14:34] <h16h> lol[16:18:22] *** Belial_ has quit IRC[16:18:43] <lunaphyte_> simple typos are things like character transposition, or inadvertent fat fingering. complex typos are things like when ` is used instead of '[16:19:13] *** Lenhix has joined #postfix[16:19:30] *** kxsteve has joined #postfix[16:23:01] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[16:23:40] <Aprogas> Or one of the unicode-chars that look like ` ' or " but aren't.[16:26:14] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[16:28:17] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:38:32] *** weedar has quit IRC[16:41:12] *** zerowolfgang has joined #postfix[16:41:12] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[16:43:48] *** gebi has quit IRC[16:48:53] *** camro has joined #postfix[16:49:38] *** pj has quit IRC[16:54:18] *** m_inet has joined #postfix[16:55:23] <m_inet> !debug[16:55:23] <knoba> m_inet: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[16:56:57] *** mroe has joined #postfix[16:56:57] *** mroe has joined #postfix[16:57:48] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:58:27] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[17:02:10] *** sjrussel has joined #postfix[17:03:41] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[17:07:16] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[17:10:19] *** msch has joined #postfix[17:10:45] <msch> hi, has anyone a simple tutorial on how to get postfix to deliver _all_ mail to one single maildir?[17:11:02] <mroe> !tutorial[17:11:02] <knoba> mroe: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[17:11:17] *** zerowolfgang has quit IRC[17:11:32] <mroe> msch: you want all e-mail addressed to valid mailboxes bcc'ed to a single maildir?[17:11:40] <mroe> or redirected to a single maildir?[17:12:02] <msch> mroe: no, i want simply all incoming mail (no matter what mailbox) delivered to one maildir (where i have dovecot running)[17:12:27] <mroe> 'no matter what mailbox' does that equate to a catch-all?[17:12:35] <msch> yeah[17:12:41] <mroe> why?[17:12:45] *** jefferai has quit IRC[17:13:00] <mroe> catch-alls are, in general, very bad ideas[17:13:26] <msch> because i'm bad at postfix admining and i've got a small office here, where a) i fetchmail from the 'real' server on the web to /srv/mail/, and now i want to add the hylafax messages to /srv/mail/ too[17:13:50] <Aprogas> Why are you Postfix admining if you are bad at it?[17:13:50] <msch> so the postfix server is basically only there so hylafax (+ cron) deliver some stuff to the shared imap inbox (which is a maildir)[17:14:12] <msch> Aprogas: because i'm better at postfix than i'm at exim/etc. also, is there a mailserver with better documentation?[17:14:16] <mroe> msch: that still doesn't answer why you don't have a specific list of addresses[17:14:24] *** jefferai has joined #postfix[17:14:37] <mroe> msch: better documentation than postfix?[17:14:40] <msch> mroe: oh, i was thinking it'd be easier to just do it that way.[17:14:51] <mroe> you are wrong[17:14:53] <msch> mroe: yeah, didn't find any[17:15:06] <mroe> you didn't find *any* documentation on www.postfix.org?[17:15:10] <Aprogas> You don't necessarily have to admin a mailserver yourself, you can hire a company to do that, or use Google Apps or a similar service.[17:15:25] <mroe> I call bull-shit on you sir.[17:15:25] <Aprogas> I get the impression you don't really want to admin a mailserver.[17:15:31] <msch> mroe: no, postfix has the most documentation and the best documentation, that's why i want to use postfix[17:15:54] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:16:03] <UQlev> msch: I am running postfix with hylafax (receiving only)[17:16:09] <msch> Aprogas: right impression, i just want to get a setup that works for the LAN in my small office[17:16:12] <mroe> add the list of valid addresses in your alias file and point the aliases to the mailbox you are interested in[17:16:32] <msch> mroe: ok, will do.[17:16:41] <Aprogas> If your mail setup is small and simple, Google Apps is free of charge.[17:17:52] <mroe> I don't trust google[17:17:59] <Aprogas> Neither do I.[17:18:17] <msch> Aprogas: i use google apps for my internet-facing domain, but i've got the following situation in the office: two secretaries, me and lots of email. gmail/gmail imap is really slow compared to a local dovecot installation, so i just fetchmail all mail from gmail to my local dovecot mailbox, and have everyone connect to it. works quite well[17:22:16] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[17:23:30] <m_inet> hi[17:23:55] <m_inet> i recently upgraded from hardy to lucid and this introduced a problem with postfix[17:24:28] <Aprogas> Did you run postfix upgrade-configuration ?[17:25:21] <m_inet> nope, that might be an idea.[17:26:58] <m_inet> hm ok it doesn't seem to solve the problem[17:27:09] <Aprogas> Perhaps check the topic.[17:27:19] <m_inet> yup was about to post a link to the config[17:27:25] <m_inet> the current config is http://pastebin.com/pW4rtPUX[17:27:41] <m_inet> i've already gone through quite a bit of documentation[17:28:28] <m_inet> the issue is that mail sent to local users which is suppsoed to be relayed to localusernam@domain is instead sent to the relayhost with the recipient set to localuser at hostname dot domain[17:28:30] <msch> mroe: that worked, thanks! just set default_privs to my dovecot users and used the maildir in /etc/aliases[17:28:36] <msch> *user[17:29:41] *** Section1 has quit IRC[17:30:06] <m_inet> so basically when invoking mail -s "foo" x on host y, postfix (which uses the linked configuration) connects to mail.foo.bar.com and tries to send a mail to x at y dot foo.bar.com[17:30:10] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[17:30:33] <m_inet> it's supposed to send it to x at foo dot bar.com instead[17:31:31] <m_inet> i confirmed that /etc/mailname contains foo.bar.com[17:31:33] *** gebi has joined #postfix[17:33:45] *** msch has left #postfix[17:34:06] *** coouel has quit IRC[17:37:38] <m_inet> any additional details that I missed?[17:40:58] *** Matic`Makovec has joined #postfix[17:42:53] *** plee has quit IRC[17:45:02] *** plee has joined #postfix[17:50:58] *** hever has quit IRC[17:54:30] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[17:55:51] *** many has quit IRC[18:01:13] *** camro has quit IRC[18:01:24] *** camro has joined #postfix[18:02:12] *** jujugre has left #postfix[18:03:32] <madsara> Hey, how to I bounce a message using header_checks with a 450 4.7.1 Error: too much mail? I'm doing it now and it's actually a 550 5.7.1 with a text message "450 4.7.1 Error: too much mail"[18:04:56] <jeev> has anyone ever seen a spam complaint taken care of by rackspace?[18:07:55] *** camro has quit IRC[18:11:24] <mroe> !tell madsara policyd[18:11:25] <knoba> madsara: "policyd" : (#1) http://www.policyd.org/ : an anti-spam Postfix policy daemon, or (#2) . It also can manage throttling of email and a variety of other things not handled by postfix directly[18:11:27] <Aprogas> The documentation doesn't suggest that header_checks allows custom error-codes.[18:12:01] <Aprogas> Not sure why you are using header_checks to do rate-limiting.[18:12:22] <mroe> Aprogas: sure you know why[18:12:45] <mroe> because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail[18:14:10] <Aprogas> Doesn't Postfix come with builtin rate-limiting hooks, using anvil?[18:14:35] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[18:15:01] <mroe> !anvil[18:15:01] <knoba> mroe: "anvil" : http://www.postfix.org/anvil.8.html[18:15:12] <Aprogas> anvil itself just counts[18:15:23] <Mark22> jeev: not yet, but I also didn't send a spam complaint to them[18:15:35] <rob0> In general, those who think that header_checks are the answer are asking the wrong questions.[18:15:57] <Aprogas> !tell madsara smtpd_client_message_rate_limit[18:15:58] <knoba> Aprogas: Error: No factoid matches that key.[18:16:16] <Aprogas> !tell knoba import recent documentation[18:16:17] <knoba> Aprogas: Error: No factoid matches that key.[18:16:44] <mroe> Aprogas: that would be a neat trick[18:17:09] *** hever has joined #postfix[18:20:36] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:23:25] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[18:24:42] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:27:09] *** camro has joined #postfix[19:04:20] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[19:07:16] <jimpop> i've read the client connection section of TUNING_README, and now i have a question....[19:07:23] <adaptr> !Tell knoba import wikipedia |grep |sed |tr |index[19:07:23] <knoba> adaptr: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:07:41] <adaptr> what makes you think you need tuning ?[19:07:55] <jimpop> what is an acceptable rate for smtp_client_connetion_rate_limit other than 0 ?[19:08:22] <adaptr> what makes you think you need tuning ?[19:08:27] <jimpop> adaptr: no reason, just reading[19:08:41] <adaptr> then the answer to the above is SQRT(-1)[19:08:42] <jimpop> why is there an option if there is no need ?[19:08:45] <jimpop> :-)[19:08:55] <adaptr> jimpop: postfix behaves as documented[19:09:05] <jimpop> yeah, yeah. I got that.[19:09:22] <jimpop> just wondering how that option would be used[19:09:39] <adaptr> !smtp_client_connection_rate_limit[19:09:39] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "smtp_client_connection_rate_limit" is not a valid command.[19:09:53] <adaptr> he has kno clue[19:09:57] <jimpop> perhaps someone else will chime in, or i can wait until someone else joins later[19:11:28] <adaptr> I haven't seen a concrete question[19:11:42] <jimpop> that's ok[19:11:44] <rob0> is that postconf.5.html#smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit what you mean?[19:11:52] <rob0> smtp!=smtpd[19:12:06] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[19:12:15] <jimpop> smtpd_client_*_rate_limit.[19:12:25] <rob0> "WARNING: The purpose of this feature is to limit abuse. It must not be used to regulate legitimate mail traffic."[19:12:40] <jimpop> looking for some deep info on their use[19:12:49] <jimpop> yep, saw that[19:13:31] <jimpop> i'm not looking to use those options (so chill out guys), I'm looking to better understand them (brain surgery vs learning)[19:13:44] <rob0> right, I know[19:13:48] * rob0 chilz[19:14:08] <adaptr> jimpop: follow the yellow brick toad. start with smtpd(8). study it. master it. breeathe it.[19:14:29] <adaptr> regular doses of !overview also help[19:14:32] <jimpop> adaptr: i sort of think I have ;-)[19:14:45] <adaptr> plus, of course, RFC 5321 is required knowledge[19:14:46] <rob0> If you want to see real-world examples of it, google the mailing list for 'Wietse "smtp_client_connection_rate_limit"'[19:14:52] <adaptr> jimpop: really, no, you haven't.[19:15:02] <adaptr> jimpop: interested in how I know this ?[19:15:08] <rob0> I am![19:15:09] <jimpop> not really ;-)[19:15:19] * rob0 trolz[19:16:10] <adaptr> jimpop: because the information in the man pages is so dense that most people need to read them at least half a dozen times, several months apart, to fully understand everything that is being said there[19:16:32] <adaptr> postfix documentation is *complete*. so complete it verges on the scary[19:16:55] <jimpop> dude, take off the attack dog collar and chill[19:16:55] <adaptr> of course, it doesn't teach you how email *works*. it never claimed to.[19:16:56] * rob0 scarz[19:17:06] <adaptr> jimpop: you what ?[19:25:26] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:25:39] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[19:30:22] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[19:34:57] *** ikonia has quit IRC[19:35:15] *** tjikkun has quit IRC[19:36:17] *** jefferai has quit IRC[19:36:43] *** ikonia has joined #postfix[19:46:02] *** jefferai has joined #postfix[19:51:08] *** jefferai has quit IRC[19:51:45] *** jefferai has joined #postfix[19:53:14] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:56:16] *** m_inet has quit IRC[20:00:26] *** cilly has joined #postfix[20:07:36] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[20:07:41] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[20:10:31] *** weedar has joined #postfix[20:16:05] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[20:35:12] <mroe> do I need a sasl provider if I am setting up postfix as a nullclient?[20:35:27] <mroe> (assuming I need to have postfix submit an email via authenticated smtp[20:42:20] <lunaphyte_> to use smtp auth with postfix requires sasl.[20:46:53] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[20:52:04] *** gebi has quit IRC[20:53:31] <mroe> lunaphyte_: but just the sasl libraries, not an actual sasl provider (dovecot saslauthdaemon)[20:53:36] <mroe> right[20:53:55] <mroe> !smtp_sasl_security_options[20:53:55] <knoba> mroe: "smtp_sasl_security_options" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: What authentication mechanisms the Postfix SMTP client is allowed to use. The list of available authentication mechanisms is system dependent.[20:54:44] <mroe> it looks like my current problem is that postfix isn't issuing a 'starttls' when trying to send email to the relayhost[20:55:17] <lunaphyte_> dunno what you mean by providers. sasl libraries provide sasl.[20:55:50] <mroe> http://pastebin.com/Cr3aabXT[20:58:54] *** kxsteve has quit IRC[20:59:04] <mroe> with logging: http://pastebin.com/wwMTXTsT[21:03:43] <mroe> !smtp_auth[21:03:43] <knoba> mroe: Error: "smtp_auth" is not a valid command.[21:03:51] <mroe> !smtpauth[21:03:51] <knoba> mroe: "smtpauth" : a feature that authenticates trusted users for submitting email to postfix. See !sasl.[21:03:58] <mroe> !sasl[21:03:58] <knoba> mroe: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[21:06:22] <Aprogas> !tell mroe smtp_tls_security_level[21:06:22] <knoba> mroe: "smtp_tls_security_level" : The default SMTP TLS security level for the Postfix SMTP client; when a non-empty value is specified, this overrides the obsolete parameters smtp_use_tls, smtp_enforce_tls, and smtp_tls_enforce_peername. Specify one of the following security levels: none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.[21:07:10] <mroe> that would do it[21:07:37] <Aprogas> !tell mroe smtp_tls_policy_maps[21:07:37] <knoba> mroe: "smtp_tls_policy_maps" : optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.[21:07:37] *** dall has quit IRC[21:09:05] <Aprogas> I recommend a general level of may and a domain-specific level of encrypt, fingerprint or verify for your relayhost.[21:09:33] *** cilly has quit IRC[21:20:23] <mroe> Does anyone know how the 'mail' command fills in the domain part of an email address when none is given?[21:22:33] <mroe> ugh, this is a harder process than expected[21:22:46] <mroe> !generic_maps[21:22:47] <knoba> mroe: Error: "generic_maps" is not a valid command.[21:22:57] <Aprogas> !mailx[21:22:58] <knoba> Aprogas: Error: "mailx" is not a valid command.[21:22:59] <Aprogas> !mail[21:22:59] <knoba> Aprogas: "mail" : mail(1) (also known as mailx(1)) is not a Postfix-provided command. For help with it, see its man page. More powerful, commonly available console- and CLI-based MUAs include mutt, alpine and nail (likewise, not supported here.)[21:24:01] <Aprogas> First place to fix incorrect addresses is the MUA, if that really is not an option, you can use Postfix rewriting to fix it.[21:24:18] <Aprogas> Why are you using the mailx MUA?[21:24:26] <mroe> just for testing[21:25:02] <mroe> my high-level goal is to get all system generated messages from one machine delivered to a specific mailbox on the email server[21:25:51] <mroe> and there isn't a single nullclient that i have found that is capable of 1)queuing email so no messages are lost if transmission is interrupted 2)supports encryption[21:26:25] <Aprogas> Again the first place to fix correct recipient addresses being set, is in the programs that set the recipient.[21:27:06] <mroe> ok, where does cron set the domain part of an email?[21:27:06] <Aprogas> Local messages are usually sent to root, so alias root to the specific mailbox you want those mails to go to.[21:27:17] <Aprogas> That depends on your version of cron.[21:27:34] *** pj has joined #postfix[21:28:37] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[21:28:43] <Aprogas> If your cron doesn't support specifying a fully-qualified address and it uses the sendmail binary (make sure it uses the one from postfix), append_at_mydomain is probably determinent in how that address is rewritten.[21:29:52] <jimpop> mroe: which OS?[21:32:40] <mroe> debian[21:32:50] <jimpop> mroe: cat /etc/mailname[21:33:02] <mroe> that isn't being used[21:33:30] <jimpop> iirc, that's where cron gets the domainname from[21:33:58] <mroe> oh cron, maybe[21:34:59] <jimpop> and possibly mail(x), but i'm not sure on that.[21:35:13] <mroe> !catch_all[21:35:13] <knoba> mroe: Error: "catch_all" is not a valid command.[21:35:17] <mroe> !catchall[21:35:17] <knoba> mroe: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.[21:35:56] <seekwill> I catch em all[21:36:25] <Aprogas> I think you can just specify a fully-qualified address in crontab's MAILTO, it's being passed to the sendmail binary anyway.[21:37:48] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[21:40:09] *** oliau has joined #postfix[21:40:13] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[21:40:15] <oliau> hello[21:41:25] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[21:41:31] <oliau> i have a server just using normal virtual mapping to host system user accounts, can i configure one address only to forward to another server while leaving other addresses on the same domain as they are? so basically forwarding the emails but not rewriting the "to" address?[21:41:46] <oliau> the second server is setup to receive emails for the same domain even though it's not listed in the MX records[21:42:23] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[21:49:54] <pj> !transport[21:49:54] <knoba> pj: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html[21:50:08] <pj> oliau: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^[21:50:52] <oliau> yes i am using transport tables to direct mail already but that is for entire domains[21:51:26] <pj> you should be able to use them to map individual addresses as well.[21:51:38] <oliau> so if i put specific emails in there rather than the domain field will it break my virtual_* stuff?[21:51:41] <oliau> ah ok[21:51:44] <oliau> i will try this now and see i guess.[21:51:50] <pj> ok[21:55:59] <oliau> hmm, seems it doesnt work like this, it is getting recipient address rejected, user unknown in virtual alias table ...[21:56:11] <oliau> fwiw my transport_maps is right at the bottom of main.cf[21:56:21] <oliau> if i moved it above the virtual_alias stuff would that make a difference perhaps?[21:57:22] <oliau> guess not... just tried it[21:57:47] <codeshah> hey guys, I ma setting up activecampaign and it is asking me to pipe abuse@domain to it... but I don't really understand what htis "piping" means - any clues?[21:58:02] <pj> !tell oliau transport_maps[21:58:02] <knoba> oliau: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.[21:58:43] *** mroe has quit IRC[21:58:53] <pj> !tell codeshah alias[21:58:54] <knoba> codeshah: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps[21:58:58] <pj> !tell codeshah alias_maps[21:58:58] <knoba> codeshah: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.[21:59:08] <oliau> knoba: i understand that in theory but if i put a recipient address in there yet that domain is already listed in virtual_alias_domains then it seems to ignore the transport maps and then realise the email address isnt in the virtual users table[21:59:12] <pj> codeshah: with that ^^^^^^^^^^[21:59:14] <codeshah> pj: thanks.[21:59:58] <pj> oliau: I think it should work, but I can't look over it now, I have to run out.[22:00:26] <oliau> no probs, thanks. i just tried it though... put the email address in transport table but it bounces with user unknown[22:00:32] <oliau> seems its looking at the virtual stuff first[22:01:24] <seekwill> "The trick to a good IP reputation is to send mail to people who want it." <-- see, it's just a trick![22:03:00] <adaptr> oliau: transport_maps does not define valid recipients[22:03:57] <oliau> thats not what transport is for, i understand that[22:04:27] <adaptr> no, it categorically can not define valid recipients[22:04:54] <oliau> but it seems if i have an actual email address in transport table, but want everything else for that domain handled with virtual maps to local system users, the transport isnt sending that single email address to my other server[22:05:14] <oliau> i dont want it to define valid recipients, i just want it to pass a single email address off to another mail server[22:05:42] <adaptr> oliau: then it must be known to postfix as a valid recipient[22:06:11] <oliau> so i put it in virtual as a recipient, but also in transport maps? in virtual who do i define as the user?[22:06:20] <oliau> ie. user at domain dot com something?[22:06:46] <adaptr> no[22:06:54] <adaptr> !virtual_alias_maps[22:06:54] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[22:07:23] <oliau> what about it? i have my users in there already...[22:07:27] <adaptr> not that one[22:07:39] <adaptr> and no, virtual_alias_maps does not hold users. it can't.[22:08:00] <oliau> it holds my maps from email addresses to system user accounts.[22:08:26] <adaptr> ... to email addresses that are delivered locally to system mailboxes[22:08:43] <adaptr> virtual_alias_maps DOES NOT deliver mail to mailboxes.[22:09:06] <adaptr> anyway, if the address is in there, then it works.[22:10:09] <oliau> well im using virtual_alias_domains with a straight list of domains to accept mail for, then ive got hashed table "virtual_alias_maps" with format of text like user at domain dot com <tab><tab> user.domain[22:10:26] <oliau> and something (whatever you want to call it) is putting those emails into the system user inboxes[22:10:34] <adaptr> that is very, very dangerous[22:10:46] <oliau> how so?[22:10:47] <adaptr> never put unqualified addresses on the RHS of a map[22:11:04] <adaptr> because you don't understand how it works. this means that if it breaks, you're lost.[22:11:20] <adaptr> you've misapplied most of what !virtual explains to do[22:11:30] <adaptr> why do you need virtual domains ?[22:11:43] <oliau> because im hosting email for many domains, why else would i need that?[22:12:01] <adaptr> many reasons; I'm asking about yours[22:12:06] <oliau> ok, well that's mine.[22:12:11] <oliau> sorry[22:12:46] <adaptr> read the virtual readme. several times. this is fundamental information that needs time to sink in.[22:12:56] <oliau> what makes my addresses "unqualified" ? (im not even 100% sure what you mean by that in this case)[22:13:05] <adaptr> then I guess it's time for[22:13:07] <adaptr> !why[22:13:07] <knoba> adaptr: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[22:13:34] <oliau> ive been running this setup for over 4 years for hundreds of users without any problems at all[22:13:48] <oliau> so think what you like but its been running fine for a long long time[22:13:58] <adaptr> and if it breaks, you're utterly lost[22:14:28] <jimpop> sort of like an automobile... when it breaks you go to the experts ;-)[22:14:34] <oliau> it doesnt just "break" from one day to the next[22:14:43] <adaptr> okay, great![22:14:57] <oliau> the few times something has gone weird its because ive made a mistake and since i keep track of what im doing i can revert[22:15:07] <oliau> which is obviously impoirtant since im handling mail for a lot of people[22:15:39] <adaptr> no, what would be important when you're responsible for hundreds of mailboxes is a close familiarity with all the technologies involved[22:15:46] *** cpm has joined #postfix[22:15:46] *** cpm has joined #postfix[22:15:46] <adaptr> if not, you run Exchange[22:15:57] *** hever has quit IRC[22:16:04] <jimpop> say what?[22:16:12] <oliau> everyones definition of what is "close" is obviously different[22:16:23] <jimpop> that makes no sense... unless you have a familiarity with Exchange[22:16:36] <oliau> i'd say having run this without any problems for so long even as ive gone through gradual changes/growth shows it can work and i am responsible[22:16:50] <oliau> gradual changes and rapid growht in most cases for that matter[22:17:16] <adaptr> you're trying to defend something that isn't defensible[22:17:46] <oliau> you could rephrase that and say "you are trying to argue on the internet, which is pointless"[22:17:51] <oliau> but thanks, i guess.[22:17:54] <adaptr> *I* say that having run a complex system such as email for years without ever encountering a real problem means you haven't administered it at all[22:18:20] <oliau> ok, fine[22:18:22] <adaptr> I am not arguing, I am trying to impart a sense of scope[22:18:22] <oliau> you're right[22:18:36] <oliau> i didnt come here because ive encountered a problem[22:18:44] <oliau> im just trying to do something where i cant find the way to do it[22:18:47] * cpm senses a scope[22:18:49] <jimpop> oliau: do you have the virtual user listed in a virtual map?[22:18:50] <adaptr> email is a complex field; there are things you should know and understand before venturing on to other things[22:18:50] <oliau> and wanted some guidance[22:19:01] <h16h> If I use smtp_fallback_relay, will postfix push the mail to the fallback relay immediately or after it expires based on maximal_queue_lifetime[22:19:20] <adaptr> !smtp_fallback_relay[22:19:21] <knoba> adaptr: "smtp_fallback_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional list of relay hosts for destinations that can't be found or that are unreachable.[22:19:28] <oliau> jimpop: no, because if i did i would not know where to map them to[22:19:51] <oliau> hang on im just reading something again[22:20:12] <h16h> adaptr: im reading the doc, but doesn't clarify if postfix will keep trying if the server is unreachable for the time specified in queue lifetime[22:20:15] <jimpop> oliau: try mapping it to a local (mydomains) address, and then use an alias entry to move off the host to a remote address[22:21:04] <oliau> jimpop: thanks, ill try that now.[22:21:14] <h16h> i felt like i asked the wrong question now[22:21:17] <adaptr> h16h: deferred mail will be retried until it succeeds or maximal_queue_lifetime is reached.[22:21:41] <adaptr> jimpop: no, transport_maps is fine. but, as I already said about 5 times, the incoming address MUST EXIST[22:21:43] <h16h> adaptr: so only then would it push the mail to relay?[22:21:56] <adaptr> h16h: no. do you understand how mail is queued ?[22:22:42] <h16h> adaptr: i believe so...[22:23:04] <adaptr> so, where is the fallback_relay set ?[22:23:54] <h16h> in which file? main.cf?[22:24:07] <adaptr> ...no[22:24:14] <adaptr> !tell h16h overview[22:24:14] <knoba> h16h: "overview" : Postfix Architecture Overview : http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html[22:24:17] <oliau> jimpop: ok, i have tried that but it is just delivering it to the local user instead[22:24:22] <adaptr> are yo familiar with those diagrams ?[22:25:17] <h16h> adaptr: i will re-read[22:25:37] <jimpop> oliau: did you specify the local user in the virtual map? if so, specify a non-user-account in the virtual map (fqdm) and add an alias for that new account, and then use the alias to specify the remote addr[22:26:24] <oliau> ahh ok, brb then ill try that :)[22:26:39] <adaptr> oliau: for domains in virtual_*_domains, to transport them to an alternate destination, one entry in virtual_alias_maps, and a transport_maps entry to catch the *resolved alias*[22:27:04] <adaptr> virtual_alias_maps is applied to all mail, first. as documented.[22:27:36] <adaptr> so if you want to catch that with a transport_maps entry, you match the RHS of the alias[22:28:52] <adaptr> if this is a regular thing, and ALL your virtual users are rewritten in virtual_alias_maps, the better solution is to put the domain in relay_domains and the address in relay_recipient_maps[22:29:10] <adaptr> that is the only solution that does not rewrite the recipient[22:29:19] <adaptr> (i.e. a pure transport change)[22:30:37] <oliau> ok that all makes sense except for the "match the RHS of the alias" point[22:31:18] <oliau> i understand if moving a whole domain to not do it like this, in fact i have already moved a number of other domains and used the method you've mentioned so that mail would be delivered while the MX record elsewhere had not expired.[22:31:52] <oliau> jimpop: "specify a non-user-account" ? sorry this isnt clear[22:31:59] <oliau> i think i just have some terminology wrong here[22:32:18] <jimpop> oliau: are you possibly just trying to get a single address (i.e. info at virutal dot tld) off of your system and have that forward to another email address (i.e. user at gmail dot tld)?[22:32:33] <oliau> no.[22:32:37] <jimpop> k[22:32:45] <oliau> i have two servers, both receive mail for the same domain[22:32:51] <oliau> but only one is listed as MX record[22:33:01] <adaptr> oliau: if what you want is a pure transport change, then no. even for a single address, it makes more sense to use relay_domains.[22:33:03] <oliau> the idea is to have a single email address forwarded to the second one[22:33:10] <adaptr> and that is as far as we go without /topic[22:33:13] <oliau> without rewriting[22:33:19] <adaptr> !tell oliau welcome[22:33:20] <knoba> oliau: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[22:34:04] <jimpop> oliau: you would indeed do that via transport[22:34:27] <oliau> yes i know, i want to try what you suggested a few mins ago[22:34:36] <oliau> just checking terminology :)[22:34:40] <jimpop> ;-)[22:35:44] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[22:37:17] *** TuxOtaku has joined #postfix[22:38:29] <TuxOtaku> hey guys, I'm trying to set up postfix, so far I can send mail fine...but receiving mail I seem to keep getting "Sender address rejected: pssnet.com sender? But you're not in mynetworks! (in reply to RCPT TO command)"[22:38:48] <TuxOtaku> err[22:38:54] <TuxOtaku> lemme rephrase that[22:39:19] *** nihe has quit IRC[22:39:20] <TuxOtaku> if I send mail TO the server I've set up FROM someone else, I get that message sent back to the person I'm sending FROM[22:41:32] <adaptr> TuxOtaku: that is not a postfix error message, unless you configured a custom reject text[22:45:35] *** weedar has quit IRC[22:47:16] *** nihe has joined #postfix[22:56:01] *** wdp has joined #postfix[22:56:02] *** wdp has joined #postfix[22:57:04] *** higuita has quit IRC[22:59:51] *** Gatto has quit IRC[23:03:17] *** mythicalbox has joined #postfix[23:07:02] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:08:39] *** mandragor has joined #postfix[23:09:34] *** cworth has left #postfix[23:20:18] <codeshah> hmm, how do I check that postfix is piping right?[23:20:31] <codeshah> !debug[23:20:31] <knoba> codeshah: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[23:20:36] <codeshah> ah :)[23:32:20] <codeshah> hey guys, http://dpaste.com/540896/[23:32:35] <codeshah> I est my php script to chmod 755, and it exists, but the logs say that it cannot be found?[23:32:44] <codeshah> fatal: execvp /home/asdf/workspace/12all/admin/pipe_bounce.php: No such file or directory[23:32:59] <tharkun> !debian[23:32:59] <knoba> tharkun: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[23:35:09] <codeshah> tharkun: so it is different on ubuntu maybe?[23:37:51] <tharkun> codeshah: I have no idea. I needed the path to the README.Debian for something totally different[23:37:58] *** uqlev has quit IRC[23:38:16] <tharkun> codeshah: you might be having trouble because of the chroot debian and ubuntu use.[23:38:19] <tharkun> !chroot[23:38:20] <knoba> tharkun: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[23:38:33] <oliau> found a better way to fix this[23:38:35] <oliau> thanks jimpop[23:38:37] *** oliau has left #postfix[23:39:55] <tharkun> codeshah: take a look at the previous factoid un-chroot your postfix and see if it fixes that[23:42:41] *** MAAAAAD has quit IRC[23:47:38] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[23:48:05] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[23:48:16] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[23:48:32] *** mandragor has quit IRC[23:48:37] <mythicalbox> does anyone know if there is a trick to get postfix outgoing smtp relay working using plain text auth?[23:48:47] <mythicalbox> i've installed the cyrus sasl modules, and the server is connecting outbound[23:49:03] <mythicalbox> but int he maillog i am getting a message saying that plaintext is not supported by my server[23:49:21] <mythicalbox> i did update the /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.cfg file to add plain as a method[23:49:30] <mythicalbox> i am not sure what i am missing..[23:54:58] *** xtremer has joined #postfix[23:55:02] *** xtremer has left #postfix[23:55:33] *** codeshah has quit IRC[23:56:41] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[23:59:06] *** Section1 has quit IRC[23:59:16] *** camro has quit IRC