May 9, 2011 
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May 9, 2011 [00:00:58] <adaptr> oh, you're right. I thought he meant tls options[00:01:04] <Ally> Sorry I should have provided 'postconf -n' http://pastebin.com/gHLae6by . I'm not sure what '!debug' in the topic means?[00:01:11] <adaptr> !debug[00:01:11] <knoba> adaptr: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[00:03:34] *** Tykling has quit IRC[00:05:11] <Ally> Thanks. I'm not actually experiencing a problem with the security options but just trying to understand if there is anything I should be setting for my particular configuration.[00:07:41] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[00:12:43] <adaptr> if yo don't have problems, leave the options alone[00:22:32] <Ally> I don't think they are doing anything anyway: noplaintext is a default but I can authenticate using plaintext data using dovecot over TLS at the moment.[00:22:36] <Ally> thanks[00:22:38] *** Ally has left #postfix[00:26:39] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[00:27:12] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[00:32:53] <trurl> Is it possible to have a map and tell postfix which users are allowed to authenticate using smtpd_sasl (and therfore using th relay)?[00:33:34] <adaptr> yes[00:35:03] <adaptr> !smtpd_sasl_sender_login_maps[00:35:03] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "smtpd_sasl_sender_login_maps" is not a valid command.[00:35:10] <adaptr> !smtpd_sender_login_maps[00:35:10] <knoba> adaptr: "smtpd_sender_login_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup table with the SASL login names that own sender (MAIL FROM) addresses.[00:36:07] <adaptr> set that, and add reject_sender_login_mismatch to your smtpd_*_restrictions[00:36:18] <adaptr> you typically want to do this on the submission port[00:38:25] <trurl> adaptr: this i'm allready using, but i want certain users not beeing able to auth alltogether. Not just prevent them using a "wrong" MAIL FROM:[00:38:46] <adaptr> if the address is not present in that map, they won't be allowed to send mail[00:39:09] <trurl> adaptr: ah, i see. didn't know that. thanks[00:39:13] <adaptr> but you need to provide the correct order for your restrictions[00:39:54] *** Gatto has quit IRC[00:41:15] <trurl> adaptr: my restrictions (so far): http://nopaste.me/paste/16334437004dc71c5711f0b[00:42:44] <adaptr> you're allowing SASL submission on port 25. don't do that[00:42:48] <adaptr> !submission[00:42:48] <knoba> adaptr: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[00:42:52] <adaptr> do that instead[00:43:30] <adaptr> this wil lmake your restrictions a lot simpler, too[00:43:42] *** famicom has joined #postfix[00:45:44] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[00:49:10] *** e-anima has quit IRC[00:51:40] <trurl> adaptr: sounds reasonable, though any auth is only exposed to SSL/TLS sessions (smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes)[00:53:53] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[00:57:32] <trurl> and: "my network" doesn't exist: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128[01:08:02] *** tris has quit IRC[01:10:59] *** kuhkatz__ has quit IRC[01:13:20] *** tris has joined #postfix[01:23:56] *** kuhkatz__ has joined #postfix[01:33:31] *** codeshah has quit IRC[01:39:03] *** mroe has quit IRC[01:43:07] *** kaos has quit IRC[01:54:21] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[01:55:25] <lunaphyte> encryption has nothing to do with it. smtp auth should not be offered without encryption, regardless. port 25 is for servers to talk to servers, not for clients.[01:55:29] *** kaos has joined #postfix[01:59:35] *** basho__ has quit IRC[02:12:51] *** camro has quit IRC[02:24:34] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[02:44:55] *** rando has joined #postfix[02:44:57] <rando> hey[02:46:16] <rando> so does anyone have info on what the master.cf pass service type does?[02:46:48] <rando> i would basically like to run my milter as a child of the postfix master proccess.[02:48:03] <rob0> !master[02:48:03] <knoba> rob0: "master" : postfix master process. the master(8) daemon is the resident process that runs postfix daemons on demand. see man 8 master or http://www.postfix.org/master.8.html for more info. also see !master.cf[02:48:17] <rob0> actually see http://www.postfix.org/master.5.html[02:49:04] <rob0> the MILTER_README never hurts, as well[02:49:05] *** codeshah has quit IRC[02:52:36] <rando> i understand basically how the master daemon works, and have read man 5 and 8 for master, but the pass servuce type is not well explained.[02:53:45] *** kuhkatz__ has quit IRC[02:57:32] <rando> it's the same as a unix socket but it recieves one fd per connection request? how is that different than normal?[03:02:51] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[03:05:18] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:09:44] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:18:08] *** wdp has quit IRC[03:34:02] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[04:29:51] *** mick_laptop has quit IRC[04:29:51] *** mick_laptop has joined #postfix[04:46:48] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[04:48:41] *** dotplus has joined #postfix[04:48:41] *** dotplus has joined #postfix[04:49:09] *** dotplus has left #postfix[04:56:30] *** infid has joined #postfix[05:00:03] *** Flimzy has joined #postfix[05:01:07] <Flimzy> I'm having a heck of a time getting mynetworks to work with a SQL lookup table... I'm probably just not looking at the proper documentation, but I cannot for the life of me get it to work right. Can someone point me in the right direction?[05:02:45] <standon> Flimzy: before you get help with that, why do you need SQL for mynetworks?[05:04:01] <Flimzy> standon: Because I need to only allow SMTP access from a specific list of hosts, that are defined in the DB. If I can accomplish the same thing with a postscreen DB lookup, or some other access control lookup, that would be fine.[05:06:49] <standon> Flimzy: does that list of networks change often? a flat file is better IMHO.[05:07:19] <Flimzy> A flat file would have to be updated from the DB[05:07:22] <Flimzy> which is a rather PITA[05:07:33] <infid> does postfix allow me to send a comma-separated list of emails in the "TO:" field?[05:08:10] *** MAAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:08:30] <Flimzy> It's not so much that it's updated often... but it's updated through a web interface, that stores the values in a DB[05:08:43] <Flimzy> Sure, I could update the flat files, too... but that's a lot more prone to bugs...[05:08:56] <Flimzy> And pf is advertised to support SQL lookups for this... so it's frustrating that it doesn't work...[05:09:14] <Flimzy> or perhaps the problem is just that the documentation isn't terribly specific (or I haven't found the specific documentation)[05:10:01] <jimpop> Flimzy: but if the db or connection goes down... you would be refusing all email, possibly even db-down notifications.[05:10:04] <Tabmow> !tell Flimzy topic[05:10:04] <knoba> Flimzy: "topic" : The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and postconf -n output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix[05:10:26] <Flimzy> jimpop: That's already true. Our DB is integral to the application... we can (we must) live with that.[05:11:45] <standon> Flimzy: please, don't complain about what is 'advertised'; postfix works as documented, so your failure is likely related to human error or something *outside* of postfix. if you believe otherwise, please see thE DEBUG_README and provide evidence.[05:12:05] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[05:12:24] <lunaphyte> where is the data as specified in the channel topic? once that is provided, then help can be provided.[05:12:25] <Flimzy> standon: I thought I acknowledged that I may well not be reading the proper documentation.[05:12:41] <standon> jimpop: btw, emails appear to be flowing now, thanks for tracking down that issue.[05:13:25] <standon> Flimzy: you are just speaking in 'doesn't work' style generalities... please read the DEBUG_README.[05:13:43] <jimpop> standon: hmmm.. you were auto un-subbed yesterday, unless you re-subbed[05:13:57] *** codeshah has joined #postfix[05:15:05] <jimpop> standon: just checked, your prev email address is not subbed. please re-sub to continue. ;-)[05:16:06] <standon> jimpop: i will, no worries.[05:16:26] <jimpop> gotcha[05:16:54] <Flimzy> Well, I'm looking for more general help... but here's the requested info: http://pastebin.com/5qkcUcxS[05:17:03] <Flimzy> I'm guessing my SQL query is wrong[05:17:15] <lunaphyte> who requested that?[05:17:20] <lunaphyte> no one here, certainly.[05:17:40] <Flimzy> The topic requested it.[05:18:17] <lunaphyte> infid: postfix doesn't care what is in the "To:" header, aside from what it may have ben configured to care about.[05:18:28] <lunaphyte> Flimzy: where?[05:19:14] <Flimzy> I'm sorry, I should have posted the postconf -n output instead[05:19:22] <Flimzy> I figured main.cf was a lot shorter, and easier to understand.[05:19:25] <standon> *sigh*[05:19:29] <lunaphyte> right, along with the other items as specified.[05:19:32] <standon> lunaphyte: this is all you; i don't have the patience for it.[05:19:44] <lunaphyte> in fact, the other items are the more important.[05:19:45] <standon> my crystal ball isn't working.[05:19:51] <lunaphyte> that's why they're listed first.[05:20:31] <Flimzy> lunaphyte: The topic asks for relevant logs... I really don't think any logs are necessary to answer my main question: In what format does the mynetworks SQL query expect its results?[05:20:35] <lunaphyte> standon: i'm feeling tolerant, i suppose, but if the clock runs out, it doesn't matter. it's just about time for bed.[05:20:51] <infid> lunaphyte: does that mean i can separate it with anything, commas, semi-colons, ?[05:21:02] <lunaphyte> infid: go for it.[05:21:07] <lunaphyte> !tell infid tias[05:21:07] <knoba> infid: "tias" : Try It And See[05:24:04] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[05:24:45] <lunaphyte> Flimzy: we don't get into debates about that here. if someone asking for help provides the information as defined in the channel/ topic, they are very likely to get help [and it will likely be very good help, as well]. if they don't - and instead debate about it, well - then they will very likely not get help, regardless of how sure they might be that they are "right" [since whether or not they are right is just simply not the point - and i[05:24:45] <lunaphyte> venture to presume that it's also not why they're here asking for help either]...[05:25:20] <Flimzy> Okay, well I'm really not trying to debate or be difficult. I think I asked a bad question initially.[05:26:09] <lunaphyte> ah, that's good to hear.[05:26:49] <Flimzy> If you honestly think that providing some logs of an SMTP transaction, and postconf -n output will help you answer the question "In what format should my SQL query for mynetworks return its answer?", then I will provide that information. But I have a very hard time believing that a log snippet will help to answer that question.[05:29:08] <Tabmow> I am not here to debate, yet I will debate anyway.[05:29:33] <jimpop> Flimzy: have you check google? I'm seeing a ton of discussions related to nynetworks+pgsql, perhaps some of that can help you[05:30:14] <jimpop> Flimzy: I only point that out because there seems to be some diffs btwn pf versions, etc.[05:31:09] <Flimzy> I've spent the last few hours on google... I'll keep looking if you think the information is there.[05:31:49] <Flimzy> I've spent more time searching postfix.org[05:32:13] <jimpop> well, since we don't know the specifics of your setup (postconf -n, etc) then if might behoove you to see if some of those other discussions apply to your env[05:32:26] <jimpop> *it might[05:39:43] <standon> Flimzy: are you referring to postfix as 'pf'?[05:40:19] <Flimzy> Yes, it looks like I did.[05:43:26] <standon> it "looks like" you did?[05:43:50] <standon> your prose is flimzy.[05:44:26] <Flimzy> What do you want me to say?[05:44:45] <Flimzy> is 'pf' an unacceptable abbreviation? I see other people using it, too...[05:50:44] <lunaphyte> i wouldn't consider it acceptable. when i see pf, i think bsd packet filter.[05:51:08] <Flimzy> heh[05:51:34] <Flimzy> Okay, well, I was referring to postfix the one time I said 'pf', and not to the bsd packet filter, or anything else.[05:52:41] *** ldfsilva has joined #postfix[06:02:12] *** shoonya has quit IRC[06:05:29] *** gongoputch has quit IRC[06:06:33] *** gongoputch has joined #postfix[06:20:36] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[06:23:15] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[06:24:02] <infid> are te domain part of an email address allowed to have dashes? eg foo at x-y dot com ?[06:24:19] <infid> has to[06:26:37] <pj> infid: yes[06:26:42] <pj> but not underscores[06:27:12] <pj> ...and I think they are supposed to start with a letter (although I have seen many that don't)[06:27:49] *** codeshah has quit IRC[06:31:01] *** Flimzy has quit IRC[06:33:50] <ldfsilva> pessoal, ubuntu tem alguma img pronta para fazer instalacao via USB ?[06:34:20] <pj> !tell ldfsilva english[06:34:20] <knoba> ldfsilva: "english" : the language spoken in this channel. Please talk in your native language privately. Thanks.[06:35:21] <pj> ldfsilva: also this is #postfix and so your question about ubuntu is off-topic here.[06:46:18] *** russm has joined #postfix[06:54:26] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[06:54:28] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[06:57:45] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[06:57:45] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[07:15:32] *** coouel has joined #postfix[07:16:41] <coouel> Hi. Is pigeonhole the sieve plugin or something else? Specifically I am interested in the xmpp notification.[07:16:50] <coouel> oh fk wrong room[07:16:58] <coouel> thank you guys rock too[07:26:33] *** youknowh1 has joined #postfix[07:28:33] *** youknowho has quit IRC[07:36:25] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[07:41:05] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[07:45:48] *** russm has left #postfix[07:46:58] *** InitX has joined #postfix[07:47:41] <InitX> My box installed postfix[07:48:22] <InitX> version 2.3.3 and running fine[07:48:39] <kenyon> 2.3.3 is old[07:48:42] <InitX> there is log said May 5 11:18:08 Sinnovation postfix/smtp[30950]: 60B6E12A0117: to=<frankyuan at 5880 dot cn>, relay=mx.5880.cn[211.152.42.195]:25, delay=11, delays=0.17/9/0.31/1.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 RL:-QSN 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 6A3BE4382A5)[07:48:42] <InitX>[07:49:27] <InitX> but client didn't got mail, my question is how long does the will go out from MTA to MDA[07:49:52] <InitX> kenyon, I know, centos( redhat) always used the old version[07:51:52] <kenyon> you'd have to look on mx.5880.cn to see why[07:56:22] <InitX> kenyon, oh looks like mx.5880.cn server is down[07:56:54] <InitX> kenyon, thx :) another question, how to check postfix's queue list[07:58:30] <kenyon> InitX: postqueue[08:01:08] <InitX> showq(8), list mail queue[08:01:27] <InitX> i didn't find this tool on my box[08:01:56] <InitX> does this tool include the postfix package?[08:02:25] <InitX> sorry , does postfix package include the showq tool?[08:02:39] <InitX> forgive my poor english[08:03:05] <kenyon> !postqueue[08:03:05] <knoba> kenyon: "postqueue" : The postqueue(1) command implements the Postfix user interface for queue management. It implements operations that are traditionally available via the sendmail(1) command. See the postsuper(1) command for queue operations that require super-user privileges such as deleting a message from the queue or changing the status of a message.[08:03:14] *** shoonya has joined #postfix[08:03:15] <kenyon> InitX: yes[08:05:43] <kenyon> InitX: or try mailq. showq is not a program that you run.[08:06:46] *** hever has joined #postfix[08:08:33] *** weedar has joined #postfix[08:08:49] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[08:09:10] *** hever has quit IRC[08:10:25] *** hever has joined #postfix[08:11:22] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[08:17:12] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[08:21:42] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:33:23] <InitX> kenyon, :) got it thx[08:33:33] *** FyreFoX has quit IRC[08:35:02] *** FyreFoX has joined #postfix[08:41:21] *** Gatto has joined #postfix[08:52:57] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[08:57:53] *** Timmooo is now known as Tim|Dinner[08:58:02] *** Motoko has quit IRC[08:59:51] <mac-> Mark22: it was good idea, but now one of mailboex got same mail twice :)[09:03:08] *** Linex has joined #postfix[09:04:14] *** jujugre has joined #postfix[09:12:32] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[09:12:36] *** Tim|Dinner is now known as Timmooo[09:17:42] *** camro has joined #postfix[09:24:04] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[09:26:58] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[09:27:25] *** bezourox has joined #postfix[09:32:03] *** nb has quit IRC[09:35:47] *** nb has joined #postfix[09:38:34] *** gebi has quit IRC[09:47:55] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[09:59:39] *** _ruben has quit IRC[09:59:57] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[10:00:33] *** mizerydearia has quit IRC[10:01:49] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[10:08:01] *** camro has quit IRC[10:08:11] *** camro has joined #postfix[10:09:00] *** jense has quit IRC[10:11:34] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[10:13:01] *** camro has quit IRC[10:14:48] *** InitX has quit IRC[10:15:45] *** InitX has joined #postfix[10:18:44] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[10:18:49] <Mark22> < mac-> Mark22: it was good idea, but now one of mailboex got same mail twice :) << I don't know a solution for that, but it should be in the manual at postfix.org (regarding forwarding and receiving with one external email account)[10:19:37] <mac-> but[10:20:08] <mac-> when mail has been delivered to aliased mailbox, and to alias mailbox there shouldn't be any more copies[10:20:32] *** InitX has quit IRC[10:24:04] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[10:27:39] *** sysmonk has quit IRC[10:28:10] *** e-anima has joined #postfix[10:30:18] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[10:31:09] *** empity has joined #postfix[10:31:32] *** Timmooo is now known as Tim|Bathing[10:37:07] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[10:38:07] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[10:38:26] *** on1ald has quit IRC[10:40:45] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[10:44:57] *** pif has joined #postfix[10:45:53] <pif> hi, what does it mean when a non-rejected mail is "from=<double-bounce at myhost dot com>" ?[10:46:52] *** on1ald has quit IRC[10:48:51] *** on1ald has joined #postfix[10:49:42] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[10:50:34] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[10:51:31] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[10:54:09] *** sysmonk has joined #postfix[10:55:07] *** amir_ is now known as amir[10:59:46] *** hever has quit IRC[11:01:32] *** camro has joined #postfix[11:04:26] *** hever has joined #postfix[11:04:48] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[11:12:29] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[11:15:39] *** rando has quit IRC[11:21:12] <Aprogas> pif: Show the logs of the mail with more context.[11:23:01] *** wdp has joined #postfix[11:23:13] *** Tim|Bathing is now known as Timmooo[11:35:26] *** Innocentus has joined #postfix[11:37:14] <Innocentus> hi[11:37:53] *** n0sq has quit IRC[11:44:26] <Innocentus> How can I find out the maximum accepted size of an incoming email message?[11:48:22] *** gebi has joined #postfix[11:51:14] *** n0sq has joined #postfix[11:51:55] *** made_of_storm has joined #postfix[11:56:33] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[11:59:29] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[12:10:18] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[12:15:18] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[12:27:58] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[12:27:59] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[12:29:51] *** sphenxes01 has quit IRC[12:40:26] *** shoonya has quit IRC[12:40:45] *** basho__ has joined #postfix[12:41:13] *** jelly has quit IRC[12:42:30] *** jelly has joined #postfix[12:42:44] *** racoon has left #postfix[12:45:38] *** spiekey has joined #postfix[12:45:39] <spiekey> Hello![12:46:17] <spiekey> i changed my MTA from sendmail to postfix. Using the php mail() function i now seem to get aditional newlines. Does Postfix add them automatically?[12:48:00] <Aprogas> Show us.[12:48:19] <spiekey> what excatly do you need?[12:48:41] <Aprogas> A pastebin showing a mail with the additional newlines, so that I know what you mean.[12:51:09] <spiekey> Aprogas, http://pastebin.com/k53K3CRC[12:51:52] <Aprogas> Could you pastebin the mails with full headers?[12:54:52] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[12:57:58] *** wdp has quit IRC[13:06:38] *** mcp has quit IRC[13:07:42] *** mcp has joined #postfix[13:08:04] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[13:08:39] <spiekey> Aprogas, sure, i just need a few mins ;)[13:09:02] <spiekey> Aprogas, do you already have an idea what the problem could be?[13:12:37] <Aprogas> No.[13:13:30] <Aprogas> Although I consider it more likely the problem will be in the PHP code.[13:16:36] <spiekey> hmm...maybe wrong line breaks which sendmail did not care about?[13:16:59] <Aprogas> Maybe you're doing \r\n or something like that.[13:17:32] <spiekey> well, i am doing nothing...the web developer are complaining, i just switched from sendmail to postfix :)[13:17:34] <f3ew> Or stuff Sendmail consumed[13:17:59] <spiekey> i will try to get the origial mail in a few mins...[13:25:46] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:29:16] *** mambaw has quit IRC[13:31:57] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[13:33:43] *** krzie has quit IRC[13:41:34] *** creis has quit IRC[13:41:51] *** creis has joined #postfix[13:44:43] *** camro has quit IRC[13:47:52] *** kli0rf has quit IRC[13:48:28] *** kli0rf has joined #postfix[13:50:39] *** TomHome has left #postfix[13:53:58] <spiekey> well, it looks like someone else had the same problem: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/postfix-users/message/216110[13:54:16] <spiekey> i just dont understand Wietse's solution yet ;)[14:00:13] <Aprogas> There are multiple ways to encode text in MIME.[14:04:00] *** kuhkatz has quit IRC[14:07:14] *** kuhkatz has joined #postfix[14:09:06] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[14:10:14] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:11:24] *** tomocha66 has joined #postfix[14:11:36] *** tomo\inai has quit IRC[14:12:06] *** ldfsilva has quit IRC[14:12:43] *** Internat has quit IRC[14:12:55] *** weedar has quit IRC[14:14:24] *** Internat has joined #postfix[14:14:25] <Innocentus> hii[14:14:30] <Innocentus> anyone online? :)[14:15:15] <wdp_> nope[14:16:08] *** weedar has joined #postfix[14:23:18] *** camro has joined #postfix[14:29:32] *** cilly has joined #postfix[14:34:35] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[14:41:11] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[14:58:10] *** matt1982 has joined #postfix[15:02:35] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[15:03:26] *** patdk-wk has joined #postfix[15:10:11] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[15:13:26] *** Cain` has joined #postfix[15:15:06] *** Cain has quit IRC[15:15:25] *** Cain` is now known as Cain[15:15:45] <rob0> Memory corruption in Postfix SMTP server Cyrus SASL support -- http://www.postfix.org/CVE-2011-1720.html[15:17:18] <f3ew> oops[15:17:33] <f3ew> 404?[15:17:39] *** h16h has joined #postfix[15:18:10] <rob0> dates back to the original SASL feature, 2000-03-14[15:18:28] <rob0> oh, maybe he hasn't got it online yet[15:18:48] <rob0> just hit the mailing lists ~45 minutes ago[15:19:18] <rob0> postfix-annnounce & postfix-users[15:21:39] <sysmonk> saw it[15:21:47] <sysmonk> freebsd laready has it patched (10 mins ago)[15:22:04] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:22:24] *** weedar has joined #postfix[15:23:10] *** Aprogas has quit IRC[15:23:14] *** Aprogas has joined #postfix[15:23:45] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[15:25:19] <matt1982> afternoon all[15:25:28] <h16h> good morning =)[15:25:32] <matt1982> :D[15:35:27] *** jense has joined #postfix[15:36:55] <Innocentus> How can I find out the maximum accepted size of an incoming email message?[15:37:21] *** weedar has quit IRC[15:38:31] <petemc> Innocentus: postconf -d | grep message_size_limit[15:39:00] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[15:43:31] <Innocentus> thank you!![15:44:00] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[15:48:28] <Habbie> if i'm using maildrop as a local transport, is there an easy way to get some logging from maildroprc into syslog?[15:50:45] *** Patrickdk has joined #postfix[15:50:54] <Habbie> local(8) mentions that *failed* deliveries will drop some output into logging, but i'd like to have some for successful deliveries too[15:53:46] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[15:55:27] *** jimpop has quit IRC[16:01:35] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[16:07:23] *** hever has quit IRC[16:10:29] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[16:26:49] *** mambaw has joined #postfix[16:30:07] *** hever has joined #postfix[16:30:54] *** amir has quit IRC[16:31:40] *** amir has joined #postfix[16:34:15] *** hever has quit IRC[16:35:55] *** hever has joined #postfix[16:46:23] <Shuro> Did someone know an easy to integrate autoresponder with flood-protection (only one notify-e-mail per day or something like this) and configuration in mysql?[16:48:48] *** Muhis has joined #postfix[16:56:21] *** UQlev has quit IRC[16:58:38] <jense> Shuro: take a look at postfixadmin, its autoresponder uses mysql and has some other features[17:07:40] *** camro has quit IRC[17:11:35] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:15:14] *** Linex has quit IRC[17:15:30] *** Linex has joined #postfix[17:18:21] *** Seta00 has joined #postfix[17:19:52] <Seta00> hey, I'm trying to setup postfix so all emails to bugs at mydomain dot tld get piped to a script, but I don't want to create the 'bugs' user. can someone point me in the right direction to do this?[17:20:08] <lunaphyte_> !pipe[17:20:08] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "pipe" : the pipe(8) daemon processes requests from the postfix queue manager to deliver messages to external commands. this program expects to be run from the master(8) process manager[17:20:17] <lunaphyte_> or[17:20:19] <lunaphyte_> !alias_maps[17:20:19] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.[17:25:00] *** infid has quit IRC[17:26:51] *** infid has joined #postfix[17:30:13] <Seta00> hmm, I need it to change the user before piping, though, so it seems fallback_transport_maps is what I need, except it will forward all mail, not only to bugs@...[17:31:53] <Seta00> actually, with a custom transport file I can make it pipe only mail to bugs@..[17:31:54] <Seta00> great[17:33:13] *** McBoingbo has joined #postfix[17:40:01] <McBoingbo> keep getting Sender address rejected: Domain not found, added the hostname to the relay_domains file still getting error, any help?[17:42:14] <thumbs> !t McBoingbo welcome[17:42:14] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "t" is not a valid command.[17:42:43] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[17:42:45] <tharkun> !tell McBoingbo welcome[17:42:45] <knoba> McBoingbo: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[17:44:46] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:44:46] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:45:16] *** tmus has joined #postfix[17:45:36] <tmus> !welcome[17:45:36] <knoba> tmus: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[17:47:40] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:47:53] <tmus> Can I make a "rule" in a virtual_alias_maps file, that aliases a username for all accepted domains to another user? I was thinking something like aliasing postmaster@<ALL> -> admin at mastersite dot com[17:48:28] <McBoingbo> I have a machine "hv0.machinename.com" (no DNS entry for our internal or external server) that cannot send email to us, I have added domain "machinename.com" to relay_domains, and still getting the failed relay, what am I doing wrong?[17:50:45] *** uqlev has quit IRC[17:50:46] <madsara> Hey, is there any way to query anvil for stats?[17:51:11] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[17:54:08] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[17:56:43] <McBoingbo> I mean relay_domains means that the mail server with said parameter will allow mail to go TO the domains in the list, but what accepts/allows particular domains to send TO the mail server? keep getting "Sender address rejected: Domain not found"?[17:57:15] <patdk-wk> it doesn't auto-include subdomains[17:58:09] <seekwill> McBoingbo: Generally, mail servers accepts connections from "everyone"[17:58:23] *** miltio has joined #postfix[17:58:24] <miltio> hi[17:58:30] <roe> !nullclient[17:58:30] <knoba> roe: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[17:58:41] *** ionte has quit IRC[17:58:44] <madsara> !anvil[17:58:44] <knoba> madsara: "anvil" : http://www.postfix.org/anvil.8.html[17:58:49] <roe> !nullclient_software[17:58:49] <knoba> roe: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[17:59:52] <miltio> quick questio:[17:59:54] *** ionte has joined #postfix[18:00:29] <miltio> I noticed some parameters are not documented in postconf.5 and I didn't see them using postconf[18:00:34] <miltio> for example:[18:00:44] <miltio> virtual_create_maildirsize[18:00:48] <miltio> virtual_mailbox_extended[18:00:53] <miltio> virtual_mailbox_limit_maps[18:01:12] <miltio> are these parameters still valide?[18:02:14] <roe> if I am using postfix as a nullclient and I want to auth to my relay host do I need a sasl provider?[18:02:54] *** Innocentus has quit IRC[18:03:18] <McBoingbo> how do I resolve "Sender address rejected: Domain not found" issues then? some whitelist?[18:03:47] <tharkun> !tell McBoingbo topic[18:03:47] <knoba> McBoingbo: "topic" : The Postfix MTA || See !debug and provide a pastebin URL of relevant logs and postconf -n output before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?postfix[18:04:12] *** tmus has quit IRC[18:06:08] *** roentgen has joined #postfix[18:06:10] *** jujugre has left #postfix[18:06:36] <McBoingbo> why do I keep getting the topic referred to me? is my problem so trivial I am missing something? I know this is a dns problem but instead of creating a dns entry for this host (seems overkill) can I not just allow mail from certain hosts?[18:06:46] <lunaphyte_> !tell McBoingbo welcome[18:06:46] <knoba> McBoingbo: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[18:07:59] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[18:13:00] <tharkun> McBoingbo: postconf -d will output 512 configuration parameter which afect the behaviour of postfix. Which one is borked so you can achive your goal is a titanic task to achieve unless you provide the information asked.[18:13:32] <miltio> tharkun: any hints about my question?[18:14:23] <tharkun> miltio: no, i am not that seasoned in postfix. I began to use it in 2.5 and i've never seen those parameters you mention[18:14:32] <rob0> If parameters are not documented in postconf(5), they are not postconf parameters.[18:14:47] <lunaphyte_> miltio: where are you inventing these parameters from?[18:15:22] <miltio> hmm[18:15:41] <miltio> lunaphyte_: from some howtos related to postfixadmin[18:15:54] <lunaphyte_> !tell miltio tutorial[18:15:54] <knoba> miltio: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[18:15:56] <rob0> !docs[18:15:56] <knoba> rob0: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html[18:20:50] <matt1982> hmm just trying to setup postfix virtual mailboxes. Do I need to create every folder under virtual_mailbox_base for the email addresses that are set the virtual_mailbox_maps[18:21:29] <lunaphyte_> postfix will create the base structure to accommodate its delivery of mail, if you allow it to.[18:22:40] <matt1982> lunaphyte, yeah think I must be running into a permissions error, I have created a new user and called vmail thought I had assigned it correct permissions but i get this error "delivery failed to mailbox /var/mail/vmail/testdomain.co.uk/news: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory "[18:22:52] <matt1982> user and group*[18:23:40] <lunaphyte_> doesn't sound like a permissions error to me.[18:23:54] *** twobitha1ker has quit IRC[18:24:01] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[18:24:04] <lunaphyte_> "No such file or directory"[18:24:10] <matt1982> ohh just assumed that was what it meant when there was no file or directory[18:24:28] <lunaphyte_> hmm. that seems like a weird assumption.[18:25:00] <matt1982> hmm well i checked under /var/mail/vmail/ and there is no testdomain.co.uk folder[18:25:32] *** Innocentus has joined #postfix[18:26:03] *** gebi has quit IRC[18:26:12] <lunaphyte_> oh, actually - you might be right. i forget - that might sort of be two messages in one.[18:26:41] <lunaphyte_> anyway regardless, permissions issue or ownership issue or whatever, you just need to sort it out and fix it. then it will work.[18:27:13] <matt1982> heh indeed[18:28:17] <matt1982> i'm almost there I can feel it heh[18:28:30] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[18:28:49] <seekwill> !yahoo[18:28:49] <knoba> seekwill: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through. For bulk mail issues this contact is helpful: <mail-abuse-bulk at cc dot yahoo-inc.com>[18:30:11] *** trurl has quit IRC[18:30:16] *** trurl has joined #postfix[18:34:33] *** lunaphyte_ has quit IRC[18:34:57] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[18:34:57] *** lunaphyte_ has joined #postfix[18:35:09] <matt1982> hmm fixed my issue I created the domain folder and then it created the news folder automatically so I guess the domain needs to be there first. On my system at least[18:36:54] *** damiano546 has joined #postfix[18:36:56] <damiano546> hello[18:37:19] <damiano546> i'm going to install postfix for the first time[18:37:19] <damiano546> :D[18:37:33] <damiano546> (another open relayyyyy) ahah :)[18:37:46] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:37:46] *** cilly has joined #postfix[18:38:53] <lunaphyte_> damiano546: why?[18:39:07] <damiano546> eheh just joking[18:39:10] <damiano546> :)[18:39:24] <damiano546> i'm new[18:39:34] <lunaphyte_> oh. you're not going to install postfix?[18:39:41] <damiano546> yes[18:39:52] <lunaphyte_> i guess i don't get the joke.[18:40:18] <lunaphyte_> if you're not going to install postfix, why come here and say you are? i don't understand. that's a joke?[18:40:19] <damiano546> :)[18:41:15] <damiano546> "another open relay" = "this is the first time i install postfix so i will surelly do something wrong" = good for spammers[18:41:15] <damiano546> :D[18:41:20] <damiano546> that's what i mean[18:41:30] *** miltio has quit IRC[18:42:06] <lunaphyte_> oh. so now you are going to install postfix? i'm confused.[18:42:07] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[18:42:13] *** bezourox has quit IRC[18:42:36] <matt1982> is it not your first time damiano546 ?[18:43:20] <damiano546> ahahah[18:43:29] *** cannonball has joined #postfix[18:43:59] <Mark22> damiano546: installing it isn't a problem, just don't start postfix after you've installed it to prevent it from being abused by spammers[18:44:01] <damiano546> "another open relay" = "my open relay will be on the list of the spammers"...[18:44:02] <cannonball> A guy is asking what appears to be a simple postfix question in another (opendkim) forum.[18:44:16] <Mark22> !why[18:44:16] <knoba> Mark22: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient[18:44:25] <cannonball> He's getting this error: postfix/master[32162]: fatal:> /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 9: bad transport type: =[18:44:34] <damiano546> yes[18:44:36] * lunaphyte_ wonders when his initial question will be answered.[18:44:38] <damiano546> i will not start it[18:44:41] <cannonball> He's supposed to be putting those in main.cf instead of master.cf, right?[18:44:56] <lunaphyte_> cannonball: putting what?[18:45:09] <madsara> Hey, is there any way to query anvil for stats? I'm trying to figure some things out.[18:45:40] <cannonball> lunaphyte: http://pastie.org/1881823[18:46:56] <damiano546> out of curiosity, is postfix the most common used SMTP server on linux ?[18:47:08] <damiano546> is there other smtp server on linux ?[18:47:38] <patdk-wk> sendmail, exim, qmail[18:47:45] <lunaphyte_> cannonball: it's unlikely that smtpd_milters and non_smtpd_milters would be appropriate in main.cf, but milter_default_action and milter_protocol certainly can be.[18:47:53] <patdk-wk> heh, exim had another security issue[18:48:02] <lunaphyte_> !tell damiano546 encyclopedia[18:48:02] <knoba> damiano546: "encyclopedia" : please don't treat the people here as encyclopedias. if a term or concept is introduced that you're not familiar with, then use your favorite search engine and go read about it. do *not* immediately ask what is <newterm>?[18:48:57] <damiano546> ok i will tell to google... "is postifx the most common SMTP server?"[18:49:03] <damiano546> :)[18:49:38] <cannonball> lunaphyte: Thanks. :-)[18:50:46] <rob0> Google won't know. We don't know either. There is no way to measure.[18:50:53] <rob0> seekwill might know![18:51:09] <tharkun> !seekwill[18:51:09] <knoba> tharkun: "seekwill" : (#1) the guy you wanna chat with when you have postfix related question! He can be reached at seekwill at amazingrapist dot com, or (#2) the guy that you never ever want to give your root password to ... ever![18:51:18] *** Gatto has quit IRC[18:51:42] *** cilly has quit IRC[18:51:50] <robtone> There are guys you want to give your root password to?[18:52:13] *** spiekey has quit IRC[18:52:16] <rob0> give it to tharkun[18:52:25] * lunaphyte_ gives it to tharkun[18:52:43] * robtone shuts his eyes[18:53:46] <patdk-wk> I don't get it[18:53:52] <patdk-wk> it's 77f here, and I'm freezing my ass[18:53:58] <seekwill> hmm?[18:54:56] <thumbs> what's 77F?[18:54:57] <robtone> 33m here and not freezing[18:55:03] <thumbs> bah, USA units[18:55:21] <patdk-wk> it's 23c here :)[18:56:06] <rob0> Let's fix up the 33m with the 77f. Together they're 110![18:56:20] <rob0> A perfect match.[18:56:21] <McBoingbo> !debug[18:56:21] <knoba> McBoingbo: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://dpaste.com/[18:56:37] <patdk-wk> I hope the 77f is ok to look at, otherwise bag[18:57:44] <madsara> If I edit a header_checks file... do I have to issue a postfix reload afterwards?[18:57:50] <rob0> I remember enjoying visits with my grandmother at that age, but I wouldn't say she was "ok to look at" in the way I think you mean. :)[18:58:34] *** jason_rad has joined #postfix[18:58:41] <rob0> madsara, if you don't, it might take awhile to pick up the changes.[18:58:50] <madsara> rob0: Ok, that's what I figured.[18:59:59] <damiano546> oook[19:00:02] <jason_rad> how would I handle this.. i need mail to be delivered to /home/$user/Maildir/* with default permissions as g+rwx (instead of just o+rw)[19:00:04] <madsara> eeek[19:00:07] <damiano546> installed and stopped....first step DONE[19:00:21] <jason_rad> instead of u+rw that is[19:00:31] <jason_rad> is that even possible?[19:02:32] <McBoingbo> here is my postconf -n http://pastebin.ca/2055826 I am trying to get a postfix machine outside my local network to be able to send email, and I keep getting "Sender Address failed, Domain not found", please help[19:02:57] <lunaphyte_> !tell McBoingbo smtp auth[19:02:57] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:03:02] <lunaphyte_> bah[19:03:04] <lunaphyte_> !tell McBoingbo smtp_auth[19:03:04] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:03:09] <lunaphyte_> soab[19:03:12] <lunaphyte_> !tell McBoingbo smtpauth[19:03:12] <knoba> McBoingbo: "smtpauth" : a feature that authenticates trusted users for submitting email to postfix. See !sasl.[19:03:16] <lunaphyte_> finally[19:03:44] <rob0> reject_unknown_sender_domain[19:04:36] <rob0> But, bypassing that is not a good idea. Why not just [tell the sender to] fix the sender address?[19:05:02] <rob0> !gigo[19:05:02] <knoba> rob0: "gigo" : Garbage In, Garbage Out: a basic law in computing (and everything.)[19:05:06] <McBoingbo> I am controllig the sender address, it does not have a dns entry, I guess thats the problem right?[19:05:19] <lunaphyte_> well, not, not really.[19:05:28] <rob0> that's what "unknown sender domain" means[19:05:37] <McBoingbo> so to correct my issue, I will have to make a dns entry?[19:05:45] <lunaphyte_> you should just be using an actual sender address to begin with. not adding more garbage to dns so email errors "go away".[19:06:05] <McBoingbo> wait you lost me there[19:06:20] <lunaphyte_> why?[19:06:57] <McBoingbo> I am simply trying to get the machine to email output from a script, the sender address that is getting denied is "root at problem dot machine"[19:07:09] <lunaphyte_> right.[19:07:28] <lunaphyte_> that address should not be used as the envelope sender. it's a bogus address.[19:07:30] <McBoingbo> sooooo[19:07:39] <lunaphyte_> use a real, actual address.[19:07:41] <patdk-wk> it won't work :)[19:08:15] <McBoingbo> so how do I do that? btw using "mail -s "subject"" to mail[19:08:32] <lunaphyte_> properly format the message and its envelope[19:09:08] <McBoingbo> so which is it use a REAL address or reformat the message?[19:09:36] <McBoingbo> is there not a more simple way of saying "hey, trust this damn machine, please!"[19:09:57] <rob0> !access[19:09:57] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[19:10:04] <rob0> !check_client_access[19:10:04] <knoba> rob0: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . Permit otherwise[19:10:07] <adaptr> McBoingbo: the sender address is invalid. fix that[19:10:34] <McBoingbo> I dont know how to change sender address[19:10:42] <McBoingbo> its coming where its coming form[19:10:44] <McBoingbo> from*[19:10:49] <rob0> !mail[19:10:49] <knoba> rob0: "mail" : mail(1) (also known as mailx(1)) is not a Postfix-provided command. For help with it, see its man page. More powerful, commonly available console- and CLI-based MUAs include mutt, alpine and nail (likewise, not supported here.)[19:11:05] <adaptr> McBoingbo: outsource your email needs. please.[19:11:55] <McBoingbo> lol[19:12:01] <McBoingbo> wow[19:12:51] <adaptr> you think I'm exaggerating ?[19:13:10] <McBoingbo> you dont want to know what I think[19:13:21] <adaptr> allowing your MTA - or any MTA, for that matter - to send out mail with invalid or unvefiried senders is bad, bad bad.[19:13:32] <adaptr> McBoingbo: ah, I think I know[19:13:41] <adaptr> good luck with it[19:13:57] <lunaphyte_> McBoingbo: it's both. reformat the message to use a valid sender.[19:14:18] <patdk-wk> pay an exchange hosting provider :)[19:14:19] *** cannonball has left #postfix[19:14:31] <adaptr> patdk-wk: now, there's not need to get THAT nasty[19:14:34] <patdk-wk> ms makes all the pain go away :)[19:14:53] <lunaphyte_> yeah. like a lobotomy.[19:16:51] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[19:17:16] <damiano546> guys how can i create an user without home and no shell login ?[19:17:19] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:17:41] <lunaphyte_> damiano546: go ask whoever supports your operating system.[19:17:42] <adaptr> damiano546: ... with adduser/useradd ?[19:17:47] <adaptr> ask #yourdistrohere[19:18:01] <Motoko> There are always virtual accounts, too.[19:18:29] <adaptr> virtual system user accounts ? news to me[19:18:56] <damiano546> yes found[19:18:57] <damiano546> sorry[19:19:19] <Motoko> Not system accounts.[19:19:41] <Motoko> This is #postfix, so the usual answer to those kinds of questions would be to look at virtual accounts.[19:20:07] <Motoko> Of course, depending on the config, having no home directory might be problematic for mail users.[19:20:12] <damiano546> guys last question...i'm seeing virtual_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps is better to create user with postfix group OR user:group[19:20:15] <adaptr> Motoko: incorrect. he specificaly talks about user accounts. postfix has no concept of users[19:20:36] <damiano546> adaptr no concept of users ???[19:20:43] <adaptr> indeed[19:20:51] <damiano546> i'm creating uid_maps and giu_maps[19:20:58] <rob0> !tell damiano546 basic[19:20:58] <knoba> damiano546: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[19:21:01] <damiano546> i have to put user and group postfix have to use[19:22:53] <patdk-wk> user accounts imply a unique id per user[19:23:01] <patdk-wk> that would require a system account[19:23:24] <patdk-wk> well, not require, but imply[19:23:28] <damiano546> yes[19:24:10] <damiano546> i think its better to create different user for each domain[19:24:22] <damiano546> user example.com group example.com[19:24:27] <damiano546> for all at example dot com[19:24:30] <adaptr> ... I wonder when the context is going to hit me[19:24:32] <damiano546> wrong ?[19:24:46] <adaptr> damiano546: context-free[19:24:54] <adaptr> IOW, we have no idea wtf you mean[19:24:56] * patdk-wk emails adaptr context[19:25:34] <damiano546> no idea? i told you virtual_mailbox_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps[19:25:47] <damiano546> are used to set user and group of the account[19:25:48] <adaptr> !virtual[19:25:48] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[19:25:58] <damiano546> y[19:26:04] <adaptr> damiano546: if you don't understand every part of that, read it again[19:27:17] <damiano546> i understand[19:27:18] <damiano546> 6 virtual_uid_maps = static:5000[19:27:18] <damiano546> 7 virtual_gid_maps = static:5000[19:27:36] <damiano546> there...i can create a maps email -> UID[19:27:43] <damiano546> the same thing for groups[19:27:49] <adaptr> ..okay[19:27:56] <damiano546> is it wrong?[19:27:56] *** McBoingbo has left #postfix[19:28:06] <damiano546> i mean...is better to have differents users for you[19:28:13] <damiano546> or i can set static:[19:28:20] <damiano546> with the same user and group for all the acount ?[19:28:22] <adaptr> again, your fixation on "wrong". yuo configure postfix to do what you want to do.[19:28:31] <damiano546> adaptr[19:28:34] <damiano546> I know[19:28:38] <adaptr> !tell damiano546 goal[19:28:38] <knoba> damiano546: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[19:28:43] <damiano546> it's only a question...[19:28:45] <damiano546> ahah[19:28:47] <damiano546> are you a bot? :)[19:28:52] <adaptr> yes[19:29:33] <damiano546> !tell adaptr I_only_was_a_simple_question[19:29:33] <knoba> damiano546: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:29:43] <damiano546> shit is not working good :P[19:30:06] <damiano546> !tell adaptr It_only_was_a_simple_question[19:30:06] <knoba> damiano546: Error: No factoid matches that key.[19:30:10] <damiano546> ok stop[19:30:11] <damiano546> :)[19:30:30] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[19:32:24] <patdk-wk> !shit_not_working_good[19:32:24] <knoba> patdk-wk: Error: "shit_not_working_good" is not a valid command.[19:32:55] <adaptr> !The _Derek_Zoolander_Center_For_Kids_Who_dont_read_so_Good[19:32:55] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "The" is not a valid command.[19:33:29] *** jense has quit IRC[19:33:40] <damiano546> this bot is not working good[19:34:13] <damiano546> !why are you not working?[19:34:14] <knoba> damiano546: Error: "why" is not a valid command.[19:34:28] <jimpop> !stfu[19:34:28] <knoba> jimpop: Error: "stfu" is not a valid command.[19:34:31] <patdk-wk> !install damiano546 speech filter[19:34:31] <knoba> patdk-wk: Error: "install" is not a valid command.[19:34:32] <jimpop> doh![19:39:29] *** Southron has joined #postfix[19:40:17] *** cilly has quit IRC[19:42:42] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[19:46:36] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[19:49:48] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[19:49:48] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[19:54:48] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:55:32] *** kxsteve_ has joined #postfix[19:55:32] *** kxsteve_ has joined #postfix[19:55:46] <damiano546> hmm, is it possible that i have lmtp here: /usr/lib/postfix/lmtp ?[19:55:50] <damiano546> i'm looking for the socket[19:57:18] *** kxsteve has quit IRC[19:57:19] *** kxsteve_ is now known as kxsteve[19:59:31] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[19:59:57] *** Tykling has quit IRC[19:59:58] <adaptr> no, all postfix network and unix sockets live under $queue_directory[20:03:15] <damiano546> i updated the db[20:03:23] <damiano546> updatedb and the search lmtp I Only get this path[20:04:07] <adaptr> again with the lack of context[20:04:08] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[20:04:22] <adaptr> what is it you want to KNOW ?[20:04:44] <damiano546> virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:/usr/lib/postfix/lmtp <------- i have to set the path to the socket[20:05:34] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[20:07:18] <damiano546> there aren't other lmtp files[20:08:21] <adaptr> ...[20:08:44] <damiano546> ??[20:08:49] <adaptr> damiano546: here's some free advice, without any hope you'll take it: if you think altering your virtual_transport is the solution, the odds are greatly against it[20:10:14] <damiano546> POSTFIX the definitive guide tolds it :)[20:10:31] <damiano546> to change it if ther eare virtual domains/acocunts[20:10:49] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[20:10:52] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[20:11:18] <adaptr> the whut ?[20:11:51] <adaptr> and no, it didn't - either you read it wrong, or they're insane idiots. I don't preclude either[20:12:00] <damiano546> just reading a book....if i have to use virtual domains/account i have to set lmpt as virtual_transport[20:12:09] <adaptr> ....no[20:12:12] <adaptr> utter bullshit[20:12:27] <damiano546> kyle d. dent[20:12:27] <patdk-wk> book == tutorial[20:12:33] <damiano546> no no[20:12:45] <damiano546> POSTFIX The definitive guide o'reilly[20:12:45] <adaptr> okay, so it's option B. he's an idiot[20:12:56] <adaptr> damiano546: want to bet it doesn't actually say that[20:13:22] <damiano546> sure[20:14:14] <adaptr> page 95, SEPERATE MESSAGE STORE, talks about LMTP. in context. complete with reasoning, which you lack.[20:14:25] <adaptr> thanks for playing though[20:14:41] <adaptr> nowhere does it say that you NEED LMTP.[20:15:28] <damiano546> fuck italian translate!!!!![20:15:34] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[20:15:35] <damiano546> i'm reading the italian version[20:15:41][20:17:57] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[20:21:57] *** tjikkun has quit IRC[20:22:40] *** jason_rad has left #postfix[20:25:41] *** zerowolfgang has joined #postfix[20:26:09] *** zerowolfgang has quit IRC[20:27:46] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[20:28:39] *** cilly has quit IRC[20:30:59] *** camro has joined #postfix[20:33:28] *** lucas has joined #postfix[20:35:38] *** jense has joined #postfix[20:36:27] <lucas> Hi there ! I have an issue that don't know where to read to fix it. I have mail delivered to an address that is mapped in /etc/aliases, when I send mail to this account postfix successfully relay to an external mail address, this works great. However the address in the TO when I read the mail from thunderbird it show the local address instead of the external address[20:36:38] <lucas> is there a way to config that ?[20:38:47] <lucas> example : in aliases -> test: external at gmail dot com, then I check from mua TO shows test at domain dot com instead of external at gmail dot com[20:39:14] *** damiano546 has quit IRC[20:42:21] *** mehwork has joined #postfix[20:42:46] <adaptr> !tell lucas envelope[20:42:46] <knoba> adaptr: Error: No factoid matches that key.[20:42:48] <adaptr> hrm[20:42:51] <adaptr> should be[20:43:01] <adaptr> lucas: the From: header is not the envelope sender[20:43:13] <adaptr> postfix does not touch headers, generally speaking[20:43:15] <mehwork> i'm trying to pass a Message-ID header with my own unique id to postfix but postfix's queued ID is returning a different unique id. Is what i'm doing supposed to work or is the queued id something completely different?[20:43:23] <adaptr> if you want to "hack" this, look into[20:43:28] <adaptr> !smtp_generic_maps[20:43:28] <knoba> adaptr: "smtp_generic_maps" : Optional lookup tables that perform address rewriting in the SMTP client, typically to transform a locally valid address into a globally valid address when sending mail across the Internet. This is needed when the local machine does not have its own Internet domain name, but uses something like localdomain.local instead.[20:43:50] <rob0> !rewriting[20:43:50] <knoba> rob0: "rewriting" : See http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html for a discussion of address rewriting features in Postfix.[20:43:54] <adaptr> mehwork: queueID != message-Id[20:43:56] <rob0> lucas: ^^[20:44:47] <lucas> ok, I'll read that...[20:45:07] *** empity has quit IRC[20:45:36] <lucas> !smtp_generic_maps[20:45:36] <knoba> lucas: "smtp_generic_maps" : Optional lookup tables that perform address rewriting in the SMTP client, typically to transform a locally valid address into a globally valid address when sending mail across the Internet. This is needed when the local machine does not have its own Internet domain name, but uses something like localdomain.local instead.[20:53:50] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:54:32] *** sphenxes01 has joined #postfix[20:56:01] *** wdp has joined #postfix[20:56:20] *** kxsteve has quit IRC[20:56:53] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[21:00:29] <lucas> thanks adaptr ![21:00:44] *** angus_ has joined #postfix[21:01:48] <angus_> how can I have email automatically sent to otherdestination at virtual dot com, when it goes to recipient at virtual dot com ?[21:02:06] <angus_> (I am using virtual sql users)[21:02:44] <adaptr> !virtual_alias_maps[21:02:44] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[21:03:10] *** Innocentus has quit IRC[21:11:33] *** feisar has joined #postfix[21:20:26] *** daum has joined #postfix[21:23:11] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[21:25:26] <angus_> and using virtual_alias_maps the original intended recipient will still receive his email, right ?[21:29:18] *** havoc__ has joined #postfix[21:29:18] <havoc__> quit[21:29:18] *** havoc__ has quit IRC[21:30:04] *** jco has joined #postfix[21:30:29] *** ssureshot has joined #postfix[21:31:38] <jco> hello, does Postfix support policies based on clients' IP addresses? I mean clients a,b can send mail to rcpts x,y, while clients c,d only to rcpt z[21:42:43] *** Broken|Arrow has joined #postfix[21:44:19] <adaptr> !tell jco restriction_class[21:44:19] <knoba> jco: "restriction_class" : postfix per-client/user/etc. access control http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html[21:46:02] <jco> knoba: thanks, I'll study that. Glad to know it's possible[21:49:54] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[21:51:49] *** angus_ has quit IRC[21:52:41] *** ced117 has quit IRC[21:54:54] *** Broken|Arrow has quit IRC[21:55:47] *** jco has quit IRC[22:06:05] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[22:09:33] <mehwork> adaptr: if the message-id != the queued id, then do you have any idea how i can capture the queued id from PHP? I'm using PHPMailer library to send SMTP mail from php[22:10:04] <mehwork> the only way i can think of is to turn on smtp output, use output buffering to capture it then perform a regex to squeeze out the queued id, but that's fugly[22:10:50] *** feisar has quit IRC[22:10:51] <mehwork> that's why i was hoping to just set the message-id that way i'd know ahead of time before i even sent the mail to postfix what it'd be and not have to do any post-capturing[22:13:45] <rob0> You probably can't set a message-ID to match a queue ID. The queue ID is assigned barely before acceptance of the mail.[22:14:25] <rob0> The queue ID will show in the Received: header, so why is this important?[22:16:17] <mehwork> i just need some kind of ID to know that the message was sent and have a way of matching it, because i'm storing the email archived in a mysql database[22:16:29] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[22:16:35] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[22:17:21] <mehwork> in case the postfix server is ever down or not working, so i can resend mail[22:17:43] <mehwork> since i'm sending mail from my php application, if the mail server is down, i'll lose that email[22:18:22] <mehwork> of course if the server is down it wouldnt return an id anyway, but i use the returned ID as a way to change the status of the email in my db, eg from 'new' to 'queued' to 'sent'[22:19:21] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[22:19:51] *** krzie has joined #postfix[22:19:52] *** krzie has joined #postfix[22:20:01] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[22:24:01] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[22:24:39] *** youknowho has joined #postfix[22:25:18] *** hever has quit IRC[22:25:49] *** hever has joined #postfix[22:27:18] *** youknowh1 has quit IRC[22:36:51] *** bracki_ is now known as Bracki[22:39:28] <hever> do you think a digitally signed email could be used as a negative spam rating?[22:39:56] <hever> I mean do you think some systems would interpet this negative (that means at least good) ?[22:42:07] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[22:42:57] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[22:44:02] *** w7nz7k has joined #postfix[22:44:08] <seekwill> hever: I've never seen that[22:44:48] <seekwill> hever: Basically, that sort of thing (DK/DKIM) is just verifying the sender. It's up to your policy to say if they like the sender or not[22:45:27] *** iElectric has joined #postfix[22:45:47] <iElectric> how to tell postifx which email belongs to user?[22:46:02] <iElectric> in /etc/virtual?[22:46:29] <hever> seekwill, I've not looked at spamassassin for example I just thought this could be very indicative for ham, because spam never uses a signature ;)[22:46:40] <seekwill> haha[22:46:49] <rob0> I've heard the idea before, GPG/PGP/S-MIME=non-spam, but I doubt it would be very useful.[22:46:52] <seekwill> Depends on your definiton of spam[22:47:19] <seekwill> I mean, what stops a spammer from doing that?[22:47:33] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[22:47:48] <hever> of course nothing but have you ever seen a spam message with a valid digital signature or a signature at all?[22:47:50] <rob0> not much, just the idea that very few sites would check for such a thing[22:47:55] <seekwill> hever: Yes[22:48:08] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[22:48:25] *** thunderstrike has left #postfix[22:48:42] <hever> rob0, yes probably you're right.[22:48:46] <seekwill> hever: Many don't, because as rob0 said, no one really checks anyways[22:48:47] <rob0> Spammers are going to go for the most yield for the least effort. Digital signing is effort and might actually backfire.[22:49:20] *** lusted_gay has quit IRC[22:49:27] *** Southron has quit IRC[22:49:36] <seekwill> rob0: Least effort, but they also care about deliverability. They don't make money if people don't open their email[22:50:06] <seekwill> For example, spammers will have great DK/DKIM/SPF records. It's not that hard to implement[22:50:06] <lunaphyte_> while not disagreeing, there does seem to be a bit of growth lately in that particular subculture of spammers which appear to be making some degree of effort to be compliant.[22:50:28] *** Gushy has joined #postfix[22:50:34] <lunaphyte_> it's not nearly as pronounced as the norm of just spewing forth garbage, but it's there.[22:50:36] <seekwill> There are spambots that can handle transfails, making greylisting obsolete[22:50:52] *** lusted_gay has joined #postfix[22:51:53] <Gushy> Hi guys, can someone tell me the command to rebuild local_recipients.db? Google is failing me and my internet here (on hols at the mo) is so bad, IRC is the only thing that's fast![22:52:41] <lunaphyte_> !tell Gushy database[22:52:42] <knoba> Gushy: "database" : http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html provides an overview of how Postfix lookup tables work, and the various types that are implemented.[22:52:43] <hever> and ideas about the spreading of HashCash ?[22:52:58] <rob0> !postmap[22:52:58] <knoba> rob0: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')[22:53:44] <rob0> "local_recipients" is not a standard file, FWIW, nor is it a postconf(5) parameter[22:53:58] *** iElectric has left #postfix[22:54:24] <Gushy> rob0: I did not know it was a standard file![22:54:26] *** weedar has joined #postfix[22:54:34] <Gushy> Thanks rob0[22:54:45] <lunaphyte_> it is *NOT* a standard file.[22:54:50] <seekwill> People who want to effectively block spam should outsource that service[22:54:50] <Gushy> postmap was the command I couldn't remember[22:54:58] <Gushy> lunaphyte_: sorry that's what I meant!![22:55:10] <rob0> I'm just saying, this was a WAG on my part.[22:55:56] <hever> seekwill, actually I'm looking for methods to sign messages as ham...[22:56:18] <lunaphyte_> sign messages as ham?[22:56:31] <seekwill> hever: You can't do that[22:56:33] <seekwill> hever: Take a look at Goodmail :)[22:56:34] <lunaphyte_> you're not the one who gets to make that decision. the recipient is.[22:56:50] <hever> of course. But there exists for example hashcash[22:57:00] <seekwill> hever: If you want to sign your message as ham, you need to use the 'seekwill' auth sig![22:57:17] <hever> aah where can I buy this ?[22:57:17] <seekwill> hever: And who uses that? :P[22:57:45] <seekwill> hever: Are you sending bulk or transactional email?[22:58:17] <hever> bulk[22:58:31] <seekwill> Outsource to an ESP[22:58:32] <hever> I think... a non-spammy newsletter[22:58:41] <seekwill> Yeah, outsource that[22:58:45] <hever> ESP ?[22:58:51] <seekwill> Email service provider[22:58:55] *** mandragor has joined #postfix[22:58:55] *** weedar has quit IRC[22:58:59] <seekwill> Or have all your recipients add you to their address book[22:59:25] <hever> a special "ESP" for sending bulk ?[22:59:46] <seekwill> Email service providers specialize in sending bulk mail[22:59:50] <seekwill> Usually legitimate mail :)[22:59:53] <hever> seekwill, but what do they do?[23:00:05] <seekwill> They deliver the mail for you[23:00:29] <hever> of course but what can they do better to get the mails not listed as spam?[23:00:34] *** s0ber_ has joined #postfix[23:00:40] <seekwill> Many ways of doing it, but a simple example is you upload a list of recipients to their web front end, along with the content, and hit send[23:00:44] <seekwill> Yes[23:00:50] <seekwill> A lot better[23:01:45] <wdp_> jo seekwill[23:01:51] <wdp_> hows going pal?[23:01:54] <seekwill> They do a lot more too, like open/clicks, reports, bounce management , unsubscribe, etc[23:01:58] <seekwill> wdp_: Hello![23:02:42] <hever> seekwill, well ok... but thats nothing to get the mails more "hammy"[23:02:44] *** matt1982 has quit IRC[23:02:54] <seekwill> hever: Actually it does.[23:03:03] <seekwill> hever: You'll use the ESPs IP reputation[23:03:15] *** s0ber has quit IRC[23:03:27] *** s0ber_ is now known as s0ber[23:03:43] <seekwill> hever: IP reputation is the largest factor in deliverability[23:04:01] <hever> seekwill, hmmm are you sure?[23:04:07] <hever> that could be also negative[23:04:08] <seekwill> Yes[23:06:32] <rob0> A lot of people on all sides of the issue spend a lot of time judging IP reputation.[23:07:44] <seekwill> Take a look at all the major receivers (yahoo,gmail,aol,msn) and they all care about ip reputation (take a look at their postmaster pages)[23:08:00] *** Gushy has quit IRC[23:08:00] *** w7nz7k has quit IRC[23:08:45] <seekwill> The best bet is to use an ESP[23:09:03] <seekwill> Or use the seekwill hash![23:09:29] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:10:19] <rob0> hashwill[23:10:29] <jimpop> best bet is to gain a reputation for not sending stuff that people don't want.[23:10:40] <seekwill> :)[23:10:44] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[23:15:10] *** cilly has joined #postfix[23:17:21] *** mandragor has quit IRC[23:18:08] *** cilly has quit IRC[23:20:32] <adaptr> he's got you coming and going, seekwill[23:23:34] <seekwill> Who?[23:24:28] <adaptr> jimpop[23:28:19] <seekwill> oh[23:28:23] <seekwill> the kickban him![23:28:41] <seekwill> How dare someone got me coming and going![23:29:01] <adaptr> you've got more hat than me[23:29:35] <seekwill> hat?[23:29:41] <seekwill> Are you making fun of my bald spot???[23:29:45] <adaptr> always[23:29:50] <seekwill> oh[23:34:22] *** hever has quit IRC[23:43:58] *** uqlev has quit IRC[23:55:06] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[23:56:52] *** w7nz7k has joined #postfix[23:57:25] <w7nz7k> hello! is postfix in charge of receiving emails or just sending them?[23:57:56] <lunaphyte_> both