May 2, 2011 
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May 2, 2011 [00:07:00] *** Mark22 has quit IRC[00:07:57] *** Mark22 has joined #postfix[00:09:55] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[00:12:14] *** Mark22 has quit IRC[00:12:14] *** Mark22 has joined #postfix[00:12:19] *** pw_ is now known as pw[00:24:14] *** jason_rad has joined #postfix[00:41:42] <xeodox> I just set up a fresh ubuntu 10 server and installed telnet. How come when I do "telnet localhost smtp" or "telnet localhost 25", I get "Connection refused"?[00:45:11] *** ichdasich has quit IRC[00:45:15] <roe> xeodox, do you expect something to be listening on port 25?[00:45:25] <xeodox> haha ur right. oops[00:45:26] <xeodox> :) thanks[00:47:20] <xeodox> roe: I'm following this tutorial to install postfix: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/postfix . But I have ubuntu, and there is no "system-switch-mail"[00:47:28] <xeodox> do you know what I should install instaed of "system-switch-mail"?[00:47:31] <roe> !tutorial[00:47:32] <knoba> roe: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[00:47:51] <roe> I can't help you with tutorials[00:48:02] <roe> they all suck[00:48:24] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[00:48:38] <rob0> Haha, well, that's true, you can't expect a CentOS tutorlal to work on Ubuntu without adjustments.[00:48:49] <rob0> !basic[00:48:50] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[00:48:58] <rob0> !documentation[00:48:58] <knoba> rob0: "documentation" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html[00:49:18] <rob0> this stuff should all be found in your own $html_directory as well.[00:50:52] <rob0> You need to be very familiar with your own OS before you try to run a mail server, so spend some time in the Ubuntu documentation too. Ask for Ubuntu help elsewhere, please.[00:54:06] *** growltiger has joined #postfix[00:55:16] <jason_rad> Just setup postfix.. (leaving behind qmail). I can deliver mail locally. However connection refused if outside is trying to send email to user at domain dot com. Any thing I'm missing[00:55:58] <roe> yes[00:56:10] <roe> a pastebin of the relevant log lines[00:56:23] <rob0> domain.com. 3600 IN MX 10 sentry.domainbank.com.[00:56:35] * roe high fives rob0[00:56:35] *** growltiger has quit IRC[00:57:16] <rob0> 220 mailbucket.registerapi.com ESMTP[00:57:43] <rob0> IWFM Jason.[01:00:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o rob0[01:00:53] <Corey> There we go. :-D[01:01:29] <rob0> But roe is here! What if I need to /kick roe quickly?[01:01:43] * roe strokes his beard[01:01:55] <rob0> Corey: roe is all yours![01:18:17] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[01:21:11] *** brancal has quit IRC[01:23:29] *** JonnyV has joined #postfix[01:27:12] *** simplydrew has joined #postfix[01:30:04] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[01:31:24] <xeodox> hey guys I installed and configured my dovecot., and started it . But I can't find it in "ps aux"[01:31:48] <xeodox> "dovecot start/running, process 4122" ... But there is no "4122" when I try to "ps aux" it or kill it[01:32:23] <Corey> What do the logs say?[01:32:30] <Corey> And does this look like #dovecot to you?[01:34:05] *** ichdasich has quit IRC[01:37:51] *** e-anima has quit IRC[01:41:05] *** loddafnir1 has quit IRC[01:41:42] <jason_rad> Missing something. Can receive mail locally but cannot receive email from outside. (connection refused is sent back from smptd ) postconf -e output - http://pastie.org/private/ljr3i7btj0vdtgnfy0lqg[01:42:14] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[01:45:38] <jason_rad> Any ideas would be appreciated.. Thanks[01:48:32] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[01:50:07] *** nokia3510 has quit IRC[01:53:30] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[01:53:47] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[02:01:39] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[02:13:22] *** ocx has joined #postfix[02:13:36] <ocx> hello, anyone familiar with fetchmail and postfix?[02:13:53] <ocx> i got a zimbra server and i configured fetchmail on it to pull my emails from google account[02:14:00] <ocx> anyone familiar with such scenario?[02:14:24] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[02:15:03] <ocx> May 2 11:06:14 ubuntu postfix/smtp[14220]: 7026E2F427EC: to=<admin at home dot com>, relay=none, delay=1.2, delays=1.2/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused)[02:15:08] <ocx> getting this error[02:19:01] *** basho__ has quit IRC[02:19:42] <Corey> Your antispam configuration is hosed.[02:20:03] <ocx> what do you mean?[02:20:43] *** higuita has joined #postfix[02:22:49] *** jameslechat has joined #postfix[02:24:47] *** miine has joined #postfix[02:27:49] <miine> Hi. a "weired" problem: I fetch mails from my provider where the RCPT is nowhere right (like Susan at 1 dot 2.3.4). I have to "route" them somewhere (otherwise they will stay at the provider and the warnings fill my log). how can I do a "catch all" for any unknown account on any unknown domain?[02:28:38] <ocx> Corey: i stopped the antispam and still same problem[02:28:50] <Corey> Talk to #zimbra.[02:29:28] <ocx> root@ubuntu:/var/log# telnet localhost 10024 : connecton refused[02:32:20] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[02:34:32] *** krzie has joined #postfix[02:34:33] *** krzie has joined #postfix[02:37:05] *** asb has quit IRC[02:37:33] *** asb has joined #postfix[02:40:51] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[02:41:36] *** nokia3510 has joined #postfix[02:53:22] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[02:55:58] *** ocx has quit IRC[02:56:05] <roe> miine, what do you want to do?[02:56:53] <miine> I want to have postfix accept the message and forward it to the postmaster or something like that.[02:57:24] <roe> you want every single message that your server would normally reject to be accepted and forwarded to the postmaster?[02:57:47] <roe> that sounds like a very bad idea[02:57:57] <miine> at the moment I use smtpd_recipient_restrictions=reject_unauth_destination,permit for that particular postfix instance which only gets mail from the provider via fetchmail...[02:58:28] <miine> roe: if I don't accept it, fetchmail won't delete it from the provider and it will get fetched a minute later again...[02:59:09] <roe> I feel like we're only getting half the story[03:00:01] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[03:00:14] <miine> roe: if setup different "mail paths": different settings for postfix instances depending from where their mails are coming from.[03:00:58] <miine> roe: so its OK for me to accept that mail. the problem is that my provider (where fetchmail gets it from) should not have accepted it :-([03:02:34] *** krzee has quit IRC[03:02:43] <miine> roe: if somebody else would deliver directly to me, that would go thru a different "mail path" and it won't be accepted. so no spam relay at my side :-)[03:02:52] *** krzee has joined #postfix[03:02:54] *** krzee has joined #postfix[03:04:53] <miine> roe: is there a way to do an address rewrite for unknown receivers? or it would be also ok for me if the mail gets into the postfix queue and stays there until i delete it. it just want to have it removed at my provider...[03:05:34] <roe> !catchall[03:05:35] <knoba> roe: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.[03:07:25] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:08:46] <miine> knoba: eiher I'm dumb or blind. Whats the syntax for a catchall for a domain that I don't host? "@*" or "@" ??[03:08:54] <roe> !knoba[03:08:55] <knoba> roe: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)[03:09:11] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:09:23] <rob0> !getmail[03:09:23] <knoba> rob0: Error: "getmail" is not a valid command.[03:10:05] <miine> roe: ok. didn't know knoba yet...[03:10:07] <rob0> getmail(1) has a more sane design than fetchmail(1). Handing already-delivered mail off to a MTA always seemed silly to me.[03:10:33] <roe> !learn getmail as getmail(1) has a more sane design than fetchmail(1). Handing already-delivered mail off to a MTA always seemed silly to me.[03:10:43] <rob0> But fetchmail has a -m option to deliver straight to a MDA.[03:11:09] <rob0> Fetchmail problems are offtopic here, of course.[03:12:15] <miine> its NOT a fetchmail problem. its just fetches something which never should have gotten there...[03:12:51] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[03:13:33] <rob0> sigh[03:14:07] <miine> so I will try the luser_relay/local_recipient_maps. hope that will work. all "real" domains should be virtual anyway (hope that I did so...)[03:21:05] *** patdk-wk has quit IRC[03:25:37] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[03:27:54] <xeodox> My postfix is working for incoming mail. Just tested it by sending it by Gmail and looking at logs. Now...how do I test outgoing?[03:30:06] <xeodox> Nvm, I used telnet[03:38:06] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[03:44:54] <lunaphyte> "outgoing" mail should require tls and authentication, and therefore should not be testable using telnet.[03:45:01] *** youknowho has quit IRC[03:48:34] *** youknowho has joined #postfix[03:54:25] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[03:58:55] *** x1250 has joined #postfix[04:03:37] *** x1250 has quit IRC[04:06:20] *** jason_rad has left #postfix[04:07:16] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[04:10:13] *** kaos has quit IRC[04:11:30] *** harovali has joined #postfix[04:13:25] *** harovali1 has quit IRC[04:17:11] <adaptr> outgoing lunaphyte should require a chaperone, and possibly restraints[04:18:13] <lunaphyte> we watched the wolf man last night. i saw what happens when restraints are not used.[04:18:46] <adaptr> oh I have that lying around.. never got round to it. I have HP7 in my to-see queue first[04:44:04] <xeodox> I'm getting this error. Anyond know why? warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory[04:44:27] <xeodox> SASL is already started (0:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/run/saslauthd -n 5)[04:46:47] <xeodox> It's probably with the chrooted stuff[04:49:23] <roe> xeodox, what imap/pop server are you using?[04:49:30] <roe> (just curious)[04:49:35] <xeodox> postfix + dovecot[04:49:41] <xeodox> but I'm just configuring postfix right now. No dovecot yet[04:49:43] <roe> then use the dovecot sasl mechanism[04:49:57] <roe> don't futz with saslauthd[04:50:09] <xeodox> hmm[04:52:17] <xeodox> is it automatic? If I set this: smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot in my postfix config...will it just work like magic? (dovecot turned on)[04:52:29] <roe> !sasl[04:52:30] <knoba> roe: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[04:52:46] <xeodox> !sasl[04:52:46] <knoba> xeodox: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[04:53:06] <rob0> Third !sasl wins![04:53:09] <roe> haha[04:53:18] <thumbs> !rob0_sasl[04:53:18] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "rob0_sasl" is not a valid command.[04:53:41] <rob0> It's almost that easy, but you *do* have to follow the instructions in said SASL_README.[04:53:51] <roe> so I just moved my mx record to a new server and I am testing the robustness of the :create option of sieve[04:54:04] <roe> I have my doubts[05:13:47] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[05:15:53] *** MAAAAAD has joined #postfix[05:19:43] *** miine_ has joined #postfix[05:19:43] *** MAAAAD has quit IRC[05:21:37] *** miine has quit IRC[05:21:37] *** miine_ is now known as miine[05:27:29] *** xeodox has quit IRC[05:57:48] *** xpeed has quit IRC[06:07:16] *** l1nuxman has joined #postfix[06:08:00] <l1nuxman> Does anyone know if it's possible to do mass emailing from home? Will ISP allow to email to 100 people in one email for example?[06:09:20] <roe> l1nuxman, that is a question best answered by your ISP[06:12:33] <pj> I don't think that 100 people is generally considered mass emailing.[06:14:25] *** Timzzzz is now known as Timmooo[06:15:24] <l1nuxman> k[06:15:38] <l1nuxman> I read 100/once 500/day[06:16:34] <pj> well, 100 does tend to get a bit difficult to manage for manual lists, imo. If you want any more than that then I would recommend using something like google groups.[06:19:36] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[06:23:24] <roe> imapsync is a very awesome tool[06:33:17] *** hparker has quit IRC[06:33:41] *** cytrinox_ has joined #postfix[06:36:43] *** cytrinox has quit IRC[06:36:43] *** cytrinox_ is now known as cytrinox[06:50:59] *** Timmooo is now known as Timzzzz[06:53:42] *** xeodox has joined #postfix[06:54:10] <xeodox> So I just succesfully set up postfix + dovecot. is SPF enough to make sure emails get delivered to my website's users[06:57:02] <roe> what do you mean[06:57:11] <roe> SPF is an anti-spam measure[06:57:16] <roe> a poor one at that[06:57:51] <xeodox> roe: I just set up basic postfix (and implemented SPF). I intend to use this new server to send emails to my users (i run a webs0te[06:58:07] <xeodox> How do I make sure it gets delivered to their inbox and not their spam?[06:58:20] <roe> !hotmail[06:58:20] <knoba> roe: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.[06:58:21] <pj> Properly configured SPF will help your emails get delivered with those hosts that check it and make use of it.[06:58:31] <roe> !SenderID[06:58:32] <knoba> roe: "SenderID" : Having hotmail delivery issues? - Consider having your server added to the Microsoft Sender ID program. Get your house in order first! Add a reverse dns ptr record for the ip of the server, forward should match reverse and helo. Create a valid spf record for the domain(s) then wander on over to https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&ct=eformts and submit your request to be added[06:58:36] <roe> !yahoo[06:58:36] <knoba> roe: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through. For bulk mail issues this contact is helpful: <mail-abuse-bulk at cc dot yahoo-inc.com>[06:59:22] <pj> yahoo, msn, and gmail as well as others all have web pages with bulk senders guidelines.[06:59:30] <pj> I suggest you look them up and read them.[06:59:32] <xeodox> !gmail[06:59:33] <knoba> xeodox: "gmail" : Google Mail issues?: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126[07:00:04] <xeodox> thanks guys[07:01:47] <pj> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/basics/postmaster-15.html;_ylt=Arou4snugg1QAt6v8iIgzgsIJHdG[07:02:40] <pj> https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=81126[07:04:44] <pj> http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx[07:18:40] *** kaos has joined #postfix[07:32:52] *** JonnyV has quit IRC[07:41:58] *** kaos has quit IRC[07:42:58] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[07:43:29] *** uqlev has quit IRC[07:45:38] *** kaos has joined #postfix[07:52:09] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[08:15:12] *** gerhard7 has joined 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<webar7> how do I get an upstream MX record host to cough up a queue it is sitting on for me? is there some kind of XFR now client I can invoke[15:32:03] <Aprogas> Yes, some MTAs support this.[15:32:09] <Aprogas> I think it's called ETRN but I'm not sure.[15:32:28] <webar7> ok[15:32:55] *** JonnyV has quit IRC[15:33:25] <Aprogas> !etrn[15:33:25] <knoba> Aprogas: "etrn" : http://www.postfix.org/ETRN_README.html[15:33:27] *** Guest4968 has quit IRC[15:33:32] *** belial has joined #postfix[15:33:57] *** belial is now known as Guest43497[15:34:14] *** joschi_ is now known as joschi[15:35:10] *** JoKoT3 has joined #postfix[15:45:42] *** pj has quit IRC[15:47:08] *** AndroUser2 has joined #postfix[15:47:52] <AndroUser2> welcome[15:48:38] <AndroUser2> !welcome[15:48:38] <knoba> AndroUser2: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to 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gebi has quit IRC[16:55:12] *** cps0 has quit IRC[16:55:58] *** weedar has joined #postfix[16:59:59] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[17:09:37] *** bubu has joined #postfix[17:11:13] *** UQlev has quit IRC[17:13:16] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[17:19:12] *** e-jones has quit IRC[17:20:28] *** ramvi has joined #postfix[17:20:40] *** amir has joined #postfix[17:23:02] <ramvi> Can I have Postfix send all mail through the relayhost? Now postfix delivers mail to my localhost dovecot installation if it's part of it's domain, and sends it to the relayhost if it isn't.[17:24:17] *** gebi has joined #postfix[17:24:59] <lunaphyte_> eh, wha?[17:25:10] *** amir has quit IRC[17:25:32] <lunaphyte_> why would you tell postfix is it responsible for mail to a certain domain if it isn't?[17:26:26] <ramvi> I send an email to smtp.mydomain.no (postfix). If the mail is to someone at mydomain dot no it's just put directly in their mail directory, if it's to someone at someOtherDomain dot no then it's sent through the relayhost. I want all mail to be sendt through the relayhost[17:27:01] <lunaphyte_> why would you tell postfix is it responsible for mail to a certain domain if it isn't?[17:27:50] <UQlev> ramvi, postconf -n | grep mydestination[17:28:05] <lunaphyte_> useless use of grep.[17:28:11] <lunaphyte_> postconf mydestination[17:28:20] <ramvi> mydestination = neitileu.no, s0.no[17:28:44] <UQlev> ramvi, make it empty[17:29:12] *** tris has quit IRC[17:29:26] <UQlev> ramvi, mydestination = ""[17:29:57] <UQlev> ramvi, reload your postfix and check behaviour[17:30:19] <lunaphyte_> um, let's not give such advice, until we know what this asker's actual goal is.[17:30:35] <lunaphyte_> that is blind advice, and potentially not helpful.[17:32:04] * UQlev guess ramvi is not Asker's and rather Osloer's ;)[17:32:41] <ramvi> heh :)[17:33:16] <ramvi> Hmm, that's wierd. Now it's denied[17:33:33] *** krzie has quit IRC[17:33:46] <ramvi> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from sub.neitileu.no: 554 5.7.1 <mail at neitileu dot no>: Relay access denied; from=<> to=<mail at neitileu dot no> proto=ESMTP helo=<ekorn>[17:34:06] <lunaphyte_> !tell ramvi goal[17:34:07] <knoba> ramvi: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[17:34:21] *** weedar has quit IRC[17:34:38] *** weedar has joined #postfix[17:35:33] <ramvi> We've had mailman, dovecot and postfix running here for years. We're now moving to Google Apps. Mail sent through the old smtp server and with mailman is delivered to the wrong/old mail accounts. I want the mail to be sent out on the web, so it's sent to the correct mx record[17:35:40] *** krzie has joined #postfix[17:37:10] <ramvi> Understandable?[17:37:42] <UQlev> ramvi, do you want to move both domains? neitileu.no, s0.no[17:38:25] <rob0> oh I think that is in[17:38:29] <rob0> !standard[17:38:29] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[17:38:39] <lunaphyte_> yeah, just use a transport map.[17:38:41] <ramvi> UQlev: I'm not sure what the s0.no domain is there for.. It's neitileu.no which we use[17:39:04] *** amir has joined #postfix[17:39:18] <lunaphyte_> !tell ramvi relay_domains[17:39:19] <knoba> ramvi: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes[17:40:39] <rob0> If you're not the MX, you probably don't want relay_domains[17:41:03] <ramvi> I'm not the MX[17:41:20] <lunaphyte_> oh, that makes sense. i knew it was one or the other.[17:41:33] <rob0> Nitpick, mail does not go "out on the web", "web" means HTTP.[17:41:52] <lunaphyte_> i don't consider that a nitpick in the slightest.[17:42:21] <lunaphyte_> way too much myopia and thinking that the internet consists of nothing but web sites.[17:43:06] <ramvi> OK, I was using transport maps: transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport, ldap:transport . I uncommeted neitileu.no :local in that file but it's still rejected: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT[17:43:07] <rob0> lol @ Wietse @ fakessh just now[17:43:21] <rob0> !address_classes[17:43:22] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[17:43:36] *** tris has joined #postfix[17:43:55] <rob0> You simply must clear out all address class definitions for domains for which you are not MX nor final destination.[17:44:46] <rob0> You never tell a MTA it's supposed to handle a domain that it shouldn't. Seems that you did, IIUC from the incomplete problem description.[17:45:30] <rob0> I would think Google Apps documentation would have told you what to check for on the old MTA.[17:45:39] <ramvi> rob0: I'm not the MX or final destination for any mail, which means /transport should be empty (?)[17:45:41] <lunaphyte_> it's my sense that he's recently switched mx records and has some mail still arriving at the old destination, and he doesn't want to reject it, but rather forward it along.[17:46:00] <ramvi> lunaphyte_: Yes, sorry for being unclear[17:46:38] <rob0> reject it, or simply turn off the Postfix. Do you still need it for something?[17:47:10] <ramvi> I need it as a fall back as not all users have changed their smtp server[17:47:13] <lunaphyte_> he's trying to be thoreau[17:47:19] <rob0> In the future, when changing MX, be sure to shorten the DNS TTL in advance of the change.[17:49:31] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:49:31] *** ced117 has joined #postfix[17:50:16] *** weedar has quit IRC[17:50:30] *** weedar has joined #postfix[17:51:01] <ramvi> It seems I was closest to sloving this when emptying mydestination. With mydest. set, it's delivered locally, with it empty, it's rejected. I dont see why as mail to outside the domain isn't rejected[17:51:03] <rob0> So what you want is a relatively simple MSA-only.[17:51:25] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[17:51:31] <rob0> It only accepts mail from AUTHed users, and no MX mail at all.[17:51:41] *** creis has quit IRC[17:52:17] <rob0> !relay_denied[17:52:17] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).[17:52:20] <lunaphyte_> he wants to receive mail from remote hosts which still think he is the final destination, because they have not yet seen the change in dns.[17:52:33] <lunaphyte_> and he want to forward it to google.[17:52:36] <lunaphyte_> *wants[17:52:37] <UQlev> ramvi, prohibit all smtp calls from outside[17:52:39] *** creis has joined #postfix[17:52:40] <rob0> that's not a good idea[17:52:54] <rob0> just reject it with a tempfail[17:52:59] <ramvi> I dont need to forward it to google, just to my relayhost[17:53:12] <lunaphyte_> fine, to whoever.[17:56:32] <ramvi> As you might suspect, am I no expert; isn't it possible to have postfix handle mail to neitileu.no in the same way as anyotherdomain.com? Because it works for any other domain, just not my domain. If it's sent to the relay host like other mail, it'll work[17:57:14] <rob0> I'm sure I have already answered that.[17:57:15] <lunaphyte_> how does it work for any other domain?[17:57:28] <lunaphyte_> i don't think you've demonstrated that to us.[17:58:14] <rob0> scroll up 14-15 minutes ago.[17:58:16] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[17:58:25] <ramvi> rob0: You've been very kind; Thank you. I'm just having a hard time understand what of the information I've gotten from you is the one answering that question[17:59:37] <ramvi> lunaphyte_: You might be right. Sorry. Mailing to someone at anydomain dot com through this postfix/smtp server works. Mailing to someone at neitileu dot no is either delivered locally or rejected if I change transport or mydestination[18:00:05] <lunaphyte_> show us that mailing to someone at anydomain dot com works.[18:00:17] <ramvi> by mailing you?[18:00:33] <lunaphyte_> pastebin log entries which prove this assertion you are making.[18:00:45] <ramvi> ok, sec[18:01:07] *** weedar has quit IRC[18:01:32] <rob0> there really should be no transport_maps on something this simple[18:02:59] <rob0> At some point it will become easier to simply tell the lagging users to move to Google.[18:03:55] <rob0> In fact, I bet we have passed that point. I have given direct answers on what to do (but these require reading and understanding some documentation.)[18:03:57] <ramvi> What should I set debug_peer_level to, to have it log successful sending mail? It just didn't log anything on 2[18:04:08] <rob0> !no_logs[18:04:09] <knoba> rob0: "no_logs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[18:04:41] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[18:04:52] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[18:05:08] <ramvi> If I email to @localdomain and @otherdomain, I get it on other domain, but the @localdomain is logged and rejected. so the logging works[18:05:50] <rob0> debug_peer_level and log verbosity is absolutely the wrong way to go.[18:05:56] *** jujugre has left #postfix[18:05:57] <lunaphyte_> no logs are no logs dude.[18:06:05] <lunaphyte_> the factoid is abundantly clear.[18:06:58] <lunaphyte_> your above statement would suggest to me that connections are not coming to your server.[18:07:14] <ramvi> Jeez that might be it![18:07:39] <ramvi> I'll look into my routing and the information given to me. Thanks for the help![18:10:09] <rob0> This whole thing seems crazy to me. The whole point of Google Apps is that you don't have to learn about managing email! But if you don't know how to manage email, setting up this simple MSA-only server won't seem simple.[18:10:25] <rob0> And then there's the question of how for lagging users to collect mail ...[18:10:30] *** krzie has quit IRC[18:10:37] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[18:10:50] *** krzie has joined #postfix[18:10:50] *** krzie has joined #postfix[18:10:51] <rob0> And then there's the question of what happens when users' credentials change ...[18:12:35] <rob0> Moving to a new hosting provider is going to have some pain, and require some work.[18:13:41] <rob0> (I guess that's not the *whole* point of GA; you also get higher availability and freedom from worry when things go wrong.)[18:14:02] <UQlev> it's a bit complicated for 1 domain 1MSA + relayhost + Google[18:22:46] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[18:30:43] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[18:32:57] <Mark22> UQlev: you can also buy/take services for that MSA from some provider of course[18:34:16] <UQlev> Mark22, not me :), for me 1 box more than enough mail-server + fax-server + PBX[18:37:00] *** webar7 has quit IRC[18:38:35] *** krzie has quit IRC[18:48:06] *** ramvi has quit IRC[18:57:09] *** tris has quit IRC[18:57:49] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[19:05:53] *** tris has joined #postfix[19:09:00] *** Southron has joined #postfix[19:09:20] *** UQlev has quit IRC[19:09:45] *** shal3r has quit IRC[19:10:25] *** h16h has quit IRC[19:10:25] *** failure has quit IRC[19:10:25] *** hparker has quit IRC[19:10:25] *** higuita has quit IRC[19:10:25] *** ichdasich has quit IRC[19:10:26] *** rob0 has quit IRC[19:10:26] *** friartuck has quit IRC[19:10:27] *** tomo\inai has quit IRC[19:10:27] *** dim has quit IRC[19:10:27] *** abramart has quit IRC[19:10:27] *** many has quit IRC[19:10:28] *** _ruben has quit IRC[19:10:28] *** twobithacker has quit IRC[19:10:28] *** kenyon has quit IRC[19:10:28] *** micols has quit IRC[19:10:29] *** nihe has quit IRC[19:10:29] *** Aprogas has quit IRC[19:10:30] *** chris| has quit IRC[19:10:31] *** RecQuery has quit IRC[19:10:31] *** wolfffffi has quit IRC[19:10:31] *** Subzeronoh has quit IRC[19:10:31] *** madduck has quit IRC[19:10:31] *** ziroux_ has quit IRC[19:10:35] *** thowe has quit IRC[19:11:15] *** ChameleonSys has quit IRC[19:11:16] *** h16h has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** failure has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** hparker has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** higuita has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** ichdasich has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** rob0 has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** friartuck has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** tomo\inai has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** dim has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** abramart has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** many has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** _ruben has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** twobithacker has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** kenyon has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** micols has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** nihe has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** Aprogas has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** chris| has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** RecQuery has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** wolfffffi has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** Subzeronoh has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** madduck has joined #postfix[19:11:16] *** ziroux_ has joined #postfix[19:11:33] *** ChameleonSys has joined #postfix[19:12:09] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[19:18:41] *** Ashutto has joined #postfix[19:19:22] *** weedar has joined #postfix[19:19:32] <Ashutto> Hello[19:22:18] *** Keo-w has joined #postfix[19:22:31] <Keo-w> so does postqueue -f and postsuper -r ALL do the same thing kind of?[19:22:50] <Keo-w> !welcome[19:22:51] <knoba> Keo-w: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[19:23:29] <Corey> standon: Ping![19:23:39] *** kaos has quit IRC[19:23:42] *** weedar has quit IRC[19:24:01] <f3ew> Keo-w nope[19:25:19] <rob0> and also changing maximal_queue_lifetime timeouts, I think[19:26:21] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[19:26:36] <Keo-w> so if i had a queue that was stuck[19:26:41] <Keo-w> like my outgoing queue[19:26:46] <Keo-w> postqueue -f is more reasonable[19:31:36] *** f3ew has quit IRC[19:36:39] <rob0> depends why it's "stuck"[19:37:29] <Aprogas> Forcing a clogged queue is a great way to make a problem worse.[19:37:36] <friartuck> is it possible to relay receiving mail for a domain except for a few addresses to be rewritten?[19:39:09] <friartuck> ^^send all mail for this domain to another smarthost, but for this group distro-address...send that somewhere else?[19:39:51] *** tris has quit IRC[19:40:43] <rob0> sounds like the #some_local example in[19:40:46] <rob0> !standard[19:40:46] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[19:41:04] <Mark22> !transport[19:41:04] <knoba> Mark22: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html[19:41:37] <Mark22> friartuck: see the transport option (that is what I think you are looking for)[19:41:58] <friartuck> Mark22 thanks. looking now.[19:48:38] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:50:29] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:50:55] <Ashutto> hello... how can i configure postfix to deliver my mail in a maildir instead of a mailbox format?[19:51:53] *** tris has joined #postfix[19:52:50] <lunaphyte> !tell Ashutto maildir[19:52:50] <knoba> Ashutto: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /[19:54:15] <Ashutto> !virtual_mailbox_maps[19:54:17] <Ashutto> !virtual_mailbox_maps[19:54:17] <knoba> Ashutto: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[19:55:35] *** Captain_Haddock has joined #postfix[19:57:42] *** roentgen has joined #postfix[19:58:20] *** clyons has quit IRC[20:00:54] <Ashutto> what is a good imap server to use with postfix? i'm planning to use dovecot or courier...[20:01:30] <seekwill> Dovecot[20:01:33] <rob0> Either is fine. Dovecot has the benefit of its own SASL implementation.[20:01:35] <seekwill> or Courier[20:04:28] *** basho__ has quit IRC[20:05:02] <Captain_Haddock> Greetings, I am absolute noob looking to shed the use of control panels and manage my own servers. I currently have a VPS running Plesk (on CentOS) that I am migrating *from*. It is running a combination of qmail and courier-imap. I am in a muddle as to which mail server to choose as well as how to best migrate. The new server is a Debian 6 VPS.[20:05:10] <Ashutto> !find postifx mysql schema[20:05:10] <knoba> Ashutto: Error: "find" is not a valid command.[20:05:20] <Captain_Haddock> I don't particularly need IMAP support (at least as of now)[20:06:03] <Captain_Haddock> I'm told that qmail is difficult to configure. But Postfix is relatively a lot easier. How about migration from qmail to qmail vs. qmail to postfix?[20:06:54] <rob0> qmail can't be taken seriously after all these years of neglect. Choose something which is maintained and supported.[20:07:37] <rob0> netqmail was what, 2005? qmail itself, 2001 or earlier?[20:08:20] <seekwill> I'd outsource your email[20:08:21] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[20:08:59] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: From what I can tell, postfix only supports smtp... Courier supports both pop3 and smtp but is used primarily for IMAP support.[20:09:06] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: to google? no thanks :)[20:09:08] <rob0> indeed, the "absolute noob" comment suggests a massive learning curve.[20:09:09] *** tris has quit IRC[20:09:20] <seekwill> Captain_Haddock: Google is the only provider of email?[20:09:31] <rob0> There are many cheap providers for small domains' mail hosting.[20:09:32] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: /me has massive learning ability :)[20:09:41] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: free? I believe so.[20:09:43] <rob0> !courier[20:09:43] <knoba> rob0: "courier" : an alternative MTA to Postfix. Parts of it (maildrop, IMAP server and POP3 server) are often used by Postfix users as well. See: www.courier-mta.org or #courier[20:10:16] * pkill_-9_osama ![20:10:42] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: Why does postfix only support smtp?[20:10:56] <seekwill> lol[20:11:00] <seekwill> I'd outsource your email[20:11:13] <rob0> !postfix[20:11:13] <knoba> rob0: "postfix" : The Postfix MTA from http://www.postfix.org/. If you have no idea what Postfix is then you have probably chosen the wrong channel. :)[20:11:27] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: oh, be nice.[20:11:28] <rob0> Postfix is a MTA. Courier is a suite.[20:11:57] <seekwill> Captain_Haddock: I am. There's very little reason to host email internally these days[20:12:00] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: right. .. and there are no plans to extend support for pop3 and imap support?[20:12:07] <rob0> Of course not.[20:12:10] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: I have oodles of time on my hands :)[20:12:25] <seekwill> Captain_Haddock: There are a lot of better things to do with it[20:12:35] <seekwill> Captain_Haddock: But you're using up rob0's...[20:12:40] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: I can jack off only so many times a day.[20:12:48] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: feel free to step in and be helpful :)[20:13:13] <rob0> You can be like me: spend years becoming a Postfix expert, and *still* not have a job![20:13:15] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: May I ask why? To keep things simple?[20:13:16] <seekwill> Captain_Haddock: http://www.rackspace.com/apps/email_hosting/[20:13:39] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: $$ = fail.[20:14:00] <seekwill> $ = Win![20:14:13] <Captain_Haddock> Knowledge = $$ = Win :P[20:14:38] <rob0> The Captain needs to hit wikipedia and start reading general information. I am certainly not interested in trying to "sell" Postfix to anyone.[20:15:11] <seekwill> But Postfix sucks!!! Config is too difficult!!! qmail rules!!![20:16:04] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: That's where I've obtained my transient info from :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers[20:16:17] <Captain_Haddock> seekwill: Isn't it the other way around? :o[20:16:22] <seekwill> Nope[20:17:07] <Captain_Haddock> hmm[20:18:51] *** tris has joined #postfix[20:20:19] <lunaphyte> kitchen sink syndrome?[20:20:51] <Captain_Haddock> hullo lunaphyte :)[20:20:54] <Captain_Haddock> you're everywhere![20:21:05] <lunaphyte> where else am i?[20:21:12] <rob0> except where he's needed most![20:21:15] <Captain_Haddock> #dns?[20:21:22] <lunaphyte> oh, there i am, indeed.[20:21:28] <lunaphyte> !salesmen[20:21:28] <knoba> lunaphyte: "salesmen" : users are not salesmen - http://www.bsdtips.org/index.php/Users_are_not_Salesmen[20:22:27] <Captain_Haddock> point taken :) /me is reading[20:22:36] <lunaphyte> it's funny. i myself work hard to specifically avoid products that claim to do "everything". inevitably, they never do everything, what they do do will invariably not be flexible enough, and is almost always done poorly.[20:22:43] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[20:22:54] <lunaphyte> software should do one thing, and do it well.[20:23:25] <Captain_Haddock> lunaphyte: I was just curious why one package does everything while another doesn't. And the package that does everything is used only for one of its component functions :|[20:24:39] <rob0> Courier-MTA started as a fork of qmail, but it never caught on. Never having used it myself, I don't know why that might be.[20:25:02] <lunaphyte> people [usually incompetent "designers" or programmers - or people concerned with getting money form others] fall victim to the idea that the holy grail is a well oiled walled garden. which is, of course, impossible. the real value is in being open and cooperative, and having a large number of tools to choose from, all of which are happy to work with each other.[20:25:47] <lunaphyte> i don't understand one package does everything while another doesn't? what packages are we talking about?[20:26:03] <lunaphyte> is this some distro specific commentary?[20:26:30] <rob0> (I have used qmail, and I know how/why that sucks, but suffice to say what I already said, it should not be taken seriously in A.D. 2011.)[20:26:50] <Captain_Haddock> lunaphyte: one "suite" I should probably have said.[20:27:13] <lunaphyte> hmm. but i still don't get the comparison.[20:27:16] <Captain_Haddock> rob0: so presumably, courier was written post-2007 when qmail was opened up? oslt.[20:27:49] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[20:27:55] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[20:28:00] <Captain_Haddock> lunaphyte: ah... I noticed that courier supports all and sundry... but only its IMAP component appears to be popular.[20:28:12] <lunaphyte> it's like comparing a crate engine to a car.[20:28:21] <rob0> Courier's web site and wikipedia page can probably speak better for its history than I can. But I know Courier has been around much longer than that.[20:28:26] <lunaphyte> that is largely true, yeah.[20:29:04] <lunaphyte> i used courier-imap for some time, ages ago. i never had any issues with it, really, but i just moved on to dovecot.[20:29:34] <Captain_Haddock> hmm, dovecot eh?[20:29:54] <lunaphyte> it really can't be beat, for the moment.[20:30:22] <lunaphyte> the strides timo is making in mailstores alone are remarkable.[20:31:03] *** e-jones has joined #postfix[20:31:14] <rob0> And the Russian-roulette rDNS is scary! ;)[20:31:50] <Captain_Haddock> nice name for mail software, at any rate :)[20:31:54] *** e-jones has quit IRC[20:33:41] *** mroe has joined #postfix[20:33:41] *** mroe has joined #postfix[20:34:07] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[20:34:51] *** uqlev has quit IRC[20:34:59] <Captain_Haddock> Interesting, he is also the author of irssi :o[20:44:35] <LinuxCode> any of you guys using mailgraph and noticed some issues with it and postfix ?[20:45:07] <LinuxCode> I checked the outputs and it seems to match okwithin mailgraph, but the graphs dont get updated with rejects and received[20:48:30] *** dacm_work has quit IRC[20:50:24] *** LoRez has quit IRC[20:57:50] *** Twinkletoes has joined #postfix[21:00:58] *** Twinkletoes has quit IRC[21:01:25] *** dacm_work has joined #postfix[21:04:35] *** david__ has quit IRC[21:09:07] *** jimpop has joined #postfix[21:10:12] <jimpop> !welcome[21:10:12] <knoba> jimpop: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! 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if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[22:41:26] <Ashutto> what mail front end do you prefer?[22:41:42] <Ashutto> horde, squirrelmail, [anything else] ?[22:41:49] *** tharkun has quit IRC[22:41:49] *** tharkun has joined #postfix[22:42:56] *** xeodox has left #postfix[22:44:00] <seekwill> RoundCub[22:44:02] <seekwill> Zimbra[22:44:08] <seekwill> RoundCube[22:44:15] <seekwill> pine[22:44:36] <seekwill> Mail.app[22:44:44] <seekwill> Outlook 2012[22:45:00] <seekwill> Oh, Outlook 2011[22:45:55] <rob0> openssl s_client(1)[22:46:05] <seekwill> heh[22:46:16] <seekwill> I cat my mbox[22:46:33] <Mark22> atmail and squirrelmail is also possible, personally I prefer squirrelmail if not at the office (at the office I use outlook)[22:46:36] <seekwill> oooh, a bash mail client[22:46:45] <Mark22> telnet is also nice[22:46:51] <seekwill> Squirrelmail is so... bla[22:47:00] <Mark22> I use telnet to send emails without attachments[22:47:00] <rob0> telnet doesn't do TLS[22:47:05] <seekwill> Does it even render HTML?[22:47:30] <Mark22> rob0: I have an option without TLS[22:47:37] <Mark22> and no it doesn't render anything[22:47:53] *** Keo-w has left #postfix[22:48:08] <seekwill> That's no good[22:48:18] <seekwill> How am I supposed to know you opened my email then???[22:49:52] *** myke_ has joined #postfix[22:55:17] *** ssureshot has quit IRC[22:55:55] *** ssureshot has joined #postfix[22:57:47] <lunaphyte_> how are you supposed to do html mail without tls?[22:58:00] *** cps0 has quit IRC[22:58:43] <seekwill> More importantly, EICAR[22:59:57] *** p3rror has quit IRC[23:00:28] <pj> no one mentioned thunderbird or seamonkey?[23:00:43] <pj> ...or evolution[23:01:10] <rob0> Did thunderbirds evolve from seamonkeys?[23:01:24] <pj> lol[23:01:38] <rob0> What about the flying spaghetti monster?[23:02:07] * pj used netscape communicator ages ago[23:02:23] <pj> thunderbird is evolved from that, heh[23:03:12] <seekwill> Outlook Express![23:03:22] <pj> hehehe[23:03:28] <seekwill> Netscape 3 was fun[23:03:37] <seekwill> Used IE to download Netscape[23:03:56] <pj> nowadays I use IE to download FF[23:04:03] <pj> so not much has changed[23:04:05] <seekwill> I use IE[23:04:22] <rob0> I use FF & lynx[23:04:30] <pj> well, for when I install FF on other people's computers[23:05:19] <pj> ever try using emacs for email?[23:05:31] <pj> I think I tried it once ages ago ... gave up.[23:14:29] *** bracki has quit IRC[23:14:34] *** bracki has joined #postfix[23:16:44] *** Matic`Makovec has quit IRC[23:16:53] <myke_> I am trying to use the virtual_alias_domains feature. when I try to send to myself@aliased_doman I get Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table. postconf -n => http://pastebin.com/92k173H1[23:17:57] <pj> myke_: we need to see your relevant logs as well.[23:19:48] <myke_> logs => http://pastebin.com/8e25pCYq[23:20:47] <pj> myke_: what do you get with: postmap -q myke at mail dot littleappletech.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf[23:21:17] *** ballyz has joined #postfix[23:21:20] <myke_> nothing[23:21:38] <ballyz> If I need to setup a smtp server what precautions do I need to take to make sure it doesnt get flagged as a spam server?[23:21:44] <ballyz> I would like to use postfix[23:21:54] <pj> and what about: postmap -q myke at mail dot littleappletech.com proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-domains.cf[23:22:10] <myke_> nothing[23:22:29] <pj> myke_: your address needs to be in one of those tables.[23:23:06] <myke_> postmap -q myke at littleappletech dot com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf returns littleappletech.com/myke at littleappletech dot com/[23:23:34] <pj> myke_: sure, but the email was addressed to mail.[23:23:43] <pj> I got that email address direct from your logs.[23:24:07] *** Ashutto has quit IRC[23:24:17] <pj> is it possible you simply had the email addressed incorrectly?[23:24:49] <myke_> it was a test to verify that method of alaising a domain[23:25:10] <myke_> my end goal is to alias latmt.com to littleappletech.com[23:25:18] <pj> ballyz: there are lots of best practices that you need to follow to avoid this, but probably the one best thing I can recommend is don't send spam.[23:25:32] <ballyz> pj: isnt there something with a reverse lookup?[23:25:40] <myke_> I have a catchall (* at latmt dot com to * at littleappletech dot com...[23:25:42] <pj> !tell ballyz fcrdns[23:25:42] <knoba> ballyz: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[23:25:57] <pj> myke_: ahhhh, ok, you misunderstand what a catchall does.[23:26:03] <pj> !tell myke_ catchall[23:26:04] <knoba> myke_: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.[23:26:12] <ballyz> Does anyone know any paid services I could just relay through?[23:26:23] *** freaky[t] has quit IRC[23:26:25] <ballyz> So I dont have to do all this[23:26:26] <pj> a catchall will send all emails for a given domain to *one* mailbox.[23:27:03] <myke_> I agree catchalls are bad... I am trying to remove it..[23:27:04] <seekwill> ballyz: Rackspace[23:27:35] <seekwill> ballyz: MessageLabs[23:27:43] <pj> myke_: what you want to do isn't so bad, but it is not easy to do with postfix.[23:28:21] <pj> myke_: you have to tweak your sql query for virtual_alias_maps so that it will return the aliased address.[23:28:29] <myke_> postfix admin used catchalls to alias domains... *@aliased_domain to *@domain ... it works however it is messy[23:28:58] <pj> postfixadmin just makes changes to an SQL database.[23:29:02] <pj> it does not alias anything.[23:29:16] *** Abnix has joined #postfix[23:29:19] <seekwill> What are you trying to do?[23:29:32] <pj> you still have to configure postfix so it can read what is in the database and do what you want.[23:29:40] <pj> seekwill: he wants to alias a domain.[23:29:49] <seekwill> Why?[23:30:26] <myke_> so end users can have a shorter email address....[23:30:43] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[23:30:50] <myke_> I asked ... what is wrong with gmail??[23:31:05] <seekwill> Gmail++[23:31:12] <pj> someone needs to do up a decent guide on that, it's not as easy as just adding a line to main.cf[23:31:14] <seekwill> Who cares if they collect info on everything you do[23:31:23] <Abnix> has anyone else here been having problems getting outlook 2010 to play nice with postfix?[23:31:40] <pj> !tell Abnix welcome[23:31:40] <knoba> Abnix: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[23:31:49] *** freaky[t] has joined #postfix[23:33:08] <myke_> google's target marketing.... yeah have google figure out what I want to buy then just add it to my cart....[23:33:16] <pj> lol[23:33:28] <Corey> !outlook[23:33:29] <knoba> Corey: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. 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