August 29, 2009 
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August 29, 2009 [00:01:39] <seekwill> What's behind the ram?[00:01:56] <pickcoder> a blister card?[00:02:30] <seekwill> Behind that[00:02:47] <pickcoder> oh a place mat[00:03:21] <seekwill> Will you include that?[00:03:35] <pickcoder> um... maybe?[00:03:43] <jduggan> sold![00:03:45] <jduggan> uhm[00:03:46] <jduggan> mmmmmwiat[00:03:47] <jduggan> ....[00:03:48] <jduggan> ;][00:03:59] <pickcoder> the girls may fight over the one they'll have to share[00:04:27] <pickcoder> I have a Spock bobblehead I've been debating about listing too.[00:04:55] <pickcoder> there's a bunch of them already listed though[00:08:55] <seekwill> pickcoder: I bid up to $30![00:09:05] <pickcoder> awesome![00:09:08] * seekwill doesn't really need more ram :([00:09:26] <pickcoder> well don't bid if you don't need it[00:09:43] <seekwill> I can find places to use it heh[00:10:03] <pickcoder> it's a $100+ kit, but I can't use it anywhere[00:10:15] <seekwill> Buy a Mac Pro[00:10:15] <pickcoder> bought the wrong thing[00:10:20] <pickcoder> hah[00:10:32] <pickcoder> I need one for iPhone app dev[00:10:35] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:10:38] <seekwill> yep[00:10:43] <seekwill> Snow Leopard[00:10:49] <pickcoder> there's also some SATA power and data cables listed, along with a ECG soldering iron[00:11:00] <pickcoder> more stuff will be listed when I get some $ back from these[00:11:31] <pickcoder> I have a vmware image running, but I can't get the dev tools to launch[00:14:27] *** CMA has quit IRC[00:14:52] <seekwill> I hope I win![00:15:10] *** CMA has joined #postfix[00:16:11] <pickcoder> 1d and 5h left[00:16:29] <pickcoder> the watch list has been growing steadily today[00:16:38] <pickcoder> no one wants the SATA cables[00:16:39] *** Mr_Grim has joined #postfix[00:16:43] <pickcoder> at least the listing was free :)[00:16:52] <seekwill> hehe[00:16:57] <Mr_Grim> hey... is it difficult to allow other ip addresses to send mail over your smtp server?[00:17:02] <seekwill> no[00:17:09] <seekwill> It's not difficult to do anything though[00:17:46] <pickcoder> Mr_Grim: you can perform SASL auth and allow relaying that way, or you can list static IPs in mynetworks[00:18:11] *** hever has quit IRC[00:18:23] <Mr_Grim> ahh i see it[00:18:28] <Mr_Grim> TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL[00:18:54] <Mr_Grim> i just put that in the main.cf file and im good?[00:18:56] <Mr_Grim> thats easy[00:19:03] <pickcoder> and restart postfix[00:19:22] <pickcoder> SASL is a better method, though, since it's client specific[00:19:35] <pickcoder> if the machine gets compromised on the other end, then you're an open relay[00:20:17] <KB1JWQ> Oh jesus. :)[00:20:27] <KB1JWQ> I'm envisioning him putting the actual phrase "TRUST AND RELAY CONTROL" into main.cf. :-)[00:20:35] <pickcoder> heh[00:20:38] <Mr_Grim> its already there[00:20:49] <pickcoder> must be an RPM distro[00:20:52] <Mr_Grim> if my home network gets compromised im screwed anywy[00:21:02] <pickcoder> with every main.cf param and comments for each one[00:21:14] <pickcoder> Mr_Grim: I was talking more about an SMTP worm[00:21:34] <Mr_Grim> yeah that would suck[00:21:43] <Mr_Grim> i got one before[00:21:48] <Mr_Grim> avast dint pick it up[00:21:54] <Mr_Grim> i switched to AVG[00:22:01] <pickcoder> AVG++[00:22:05] <Mr_Grim> i actually pay for my virus protection[00:22:13] <Mr_Grim> i got AVG professional now[00:22:14] *** timotiCK has joined #POSTFIX[00:23:16] <KB1JWQ> ##windows is that way -->[00:23:31] <pickcoder> AVG is available for Linux servers[00:23:53] <pickcoder> so I guess I should join ##windows and ##linux[00:24:43] <Mr_Grim> yeah im running windows[00:24:53] <Mr_Grim> cant do much about it[00:24:54] *** timotiCK has left #POSTFIX[00:25:01] <Mr_Grim> unless i move my db over to sybase[00:25:18] <pickcoder> Universe or OpenQM[00:25:26] <pickcoder> multi-valued DB ftw[00:29:11] *** CMA has quit IRC[00:36:33] *** timotiCK has joined #POSTFIX[00:37:23] *** timotiCK has left #POSTFIX[00:37:51] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[00:39:56] *** tona has joined #postfix[00:40:46] <tona> i am traveling continuesly why i can send email at mexico and i can not send email from monterrey[00:40:51] <tona> what is happening[00:41:55] <rob0> Silly, you should have taken me with you.[00:42:35] *** tona has quit IRC[00:44:07] *** hever has joined #postfix[00:48:20] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[00:51:21] *** seekwill has quit IRC[00:59:32] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[01:01:48] *** CMA has joined #postfix[01:03:33] <Mr_Grim> is there a way to run postfix on other ports instead of port 25 for relaying mail from an outside source?[01:06:12] <thumbs> Mr_Grim: port must be opened to received emails[01:07:27] *** inf|nite_ has quit IRC[01:22:21] *** aantix has quit IRC[01:28:52] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:30:30] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[01:35:27] <tessier> What is the most efficient way to find out how many mails in are in the queue? Running mailq is really slow.[01:36:10] <tessier> I guess I could do a find on the queue dir and total up the files...[01:37:04] <thumbs> postqueue -p ?[01:37:46] <rob0> The fact of having a large queue tends to indicate a problem. The most common problem indicated is that such a site is sending backscatter spam.[01:37:51] *** war9407 has quit IRC[01:38:23] <thumbs> rob0 is always good at spotting the source of the problem[01:38:45] <rob0> Takes one to know one, right?[01:38:55] <thumbs> of course, you could also be running your mail server off a 486 with 32 MB of RAM, and scanning for viruses[01:38:57] <tessier> thumbs: Thanks, that's a good command to know. I had forgotten about that. Something like find /var/spool/postfix/active/ -type f |wc -l seems pretty fast.[01:39:23] <thumbs> which would mean it couldn't keep up most of the time[01:39:25] <tessier> In my case I have a large queue because a spammer just hit us with a ton of spam.[01:40:07] <tessier> I had about 30,000 in the queue 20 minutes ago. It is down to around 10,000 now.[01:48:28] <TomHome> mailq == postqueue -p I think[01:48:47] *** Southron has joined #Postfix[01:52:52] *** Mr_Grim has quit IRC[01:54:40] <rob0> 30 kilospams, logjammed for delivery to your happy users?[02:03:57] * KB1JWQ is glad tessier doesn't run my srever[02:04:54] *** cps0 has quit IRC[02:05:47] *** TomHome has quit IRC[02:22:36] <tessier> KB1JWQ: Why is that?[02:24:05] <tessier> KB1JWQ: Not much I can do about someone dumping 30,000 emails to legitimate addresses from a non-RLB'd IP address who actually goes through with the greylisting process etc.[02:24:25] <cite> tessier: As long as you avoid stat(2)'ing every file, you can count your queue size any way you like.[02:24:51] <tessier> cite: Indeed. That is probably why mailq takes so long. stat and parse.[02:24:53] <cite> (and of course, as long as you don't open queue files for reading, but that goes without saying)[02:25:43] <tessier> KB1JWQ: I've been running some pretty big mail servers for 15 years so apparently someone *is* glad I run their server. ;)[02:26:42] <tessier> postfix has been awesome though. Somehow I avoided having to learn serious m4 to hack on sendmail and went straight to qmail for a good long time. But we all know how that inevitably turns out.[02:27:47] <rob0> haha yes[02:29:04] <KB1JWQ> Heh, srsly.[02:32:03] <cite> On a second thought - you might run into trouble counting the size of the mail queue if (a) your filesystem is too old to support hashed/tree indexed directories and (b) you have reduced the postfix queue directory hashing depth to 0.[02:32:41] <cite> I remember that on ext2, bevore btree indices were available, running e.g. squid without hashed directories was a major disaster.[02:32:53] <cite> I guess this might be true for large queue sizes with postfix, too.[02:33:19] <cite> Though I consider it not to be too relevant nowadays.[02:33:46] <cite> Setting the directory depth to 0 is like voluntarily sabotaging Postfix, so...[02:35:57] *** pingouin has quit IRC[02:36:49] *** aantix has joined #postfix[02:44:42] *** aantix has quit IRC[02:49:04] *** aantix has joined #postfix[02:59:56] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[03:03:44] <hackeron> hey, there are many articles saying 8.4 was supposed to have built-in replication - looks like this didn't happen? - is there a defacto standard?[03:03:56] <hackeron> oops, sorry, wrong channel[03:04:40] <Dominian> yeah.. was going to say...[03:04:41] <Dominian> :)[03:04:49] <Dominian> "when did postfix 8.4 come out!?"[03:06:32] <snappy> BOth of you now have me fooled.[03:08:01] <snappy> Interesting, 2.6 has multiple instance support. Been needing that for quite awhile.[03:08:28] *** aantix has quit IRC[03:08:41] <Dominian> oh yes[03:08:49] <Dominian> although I have no idea what I'd use it for :)[03:15:21] *** hever has quit IRC[03:25:39] *** fzzzt has joined #postfix[03:27:11] <fzzzt> Is there a way to skip smtpd_proxy_filter for sasl authenticated clients?[03:28:09] <Dominian> are you doing authentication on the submission port?[03:30:18] <fzzzt> 25 587 and 465[03:30:35] <Dominian> hrm[03:30:45] <Dominian> I know you can by pass it on port 587[03:30:47] <fzzzt> i could set it to blank in master.cf for the other ports...[03:30:49] <Dominian> not sure about the rest of them though[03:30:52] <Dominian> right[03:30:53] <fzzzt> but for port 25[03:30:55] <Dominian> fzzzt: that's what you should do[03:30:59] <Dominian> that's hwo you "bypass"[03:31:12] <fzzzt> i need 25 and tls too though[03:31:28] <cite> fzzzt: What is the smtpd_proxy_filter software you are using? amavisd?[03:31:28] <Dominian> yah[03:31:33] <Dominian> eh?[03:31:34] <fzzzt> i guess i'll have to grab another IP and run another instance[03:31:42] <fzzzt> yeah amavisd[03:31:42] <Dominian> fzzzt: Can you show me the relevant config options?[03:31:56] <Dominian> Is there some reason you aren't using content_filter ?[03:32:02] <fzzzt> i don't want to[03:32:44] <cite> fzzzt: You can switch to another policy bank in amavisd-new when you find an ESMTP(S)A header from your own mailserver.[03:33:01] <fzzzt> hmm that might work[03:33:03] <cite> fzzzt: https://listi.jpberlin.de/pipermail/postfixbuch-users/2009-August/050973.html - that page is in German, but the custom package code I wrote should be pretty easy to spot.[03:33:08] <Dominian> cite: glad you knew that.. :)[03:33:34] <fzzzt> i'll take a look, thanks[03:33:40] <cite> fzzzt: It's not 100% foolproof and kind of a "dirty hack", but OTOH, it's only necessary on port 25.[03:34:04] *** eanxgeek has left #postfix[03:34:10] <cite> 465/587 can easily switch to another policy bank by means of a different port to interface to amavisd.[03:34:27] <fzzzt> well my 465 and 587 wouldn't go to amavis anyway[03:35:32] <fzzzt> the reason i'm looking is because amavisd-new isn't reporting it's hostname properly in EHLO for outgoing messages, so if i can't fix that (which i'm testing now), i was looking for a way to skip the step..[03:36:00] <fzzzt> i don't really need to scan outgoing, it's a small server, but would be nice to have[03:36:45] <cite> fzzzt: $myhostname='foobar' somwhere in amavisd.conf (or /etc/amavis/conf.d/50-user on Debian)?[03:37:04] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[03:37:12] <fzzzt> i have scan.domain.local, and this host is saying ehlo domain "scan" rejected[03:38:09] <cite> fzzzt: the instance of smtpd to which amavisd reinjects mail should have empty restrictions.[03:38:53] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|afk[03:39:13] <cite> fzzzt: Some time ago, I wrote a rather comprehensive blog entry about Postfix, amavisd-new and the use of policy banks, but unfortunately, it's in the wrong language :-P[03:39:44] <fzzzt> oh, haha, i totally forgot about that postfix instance[03:41:27] <fzzzt> yeah i started using amavisd-new years and years ago, i never even looked at policy banks heh. it's still one of the things i mean to do[03:41:52] <fzzzt> now that i'm scanning incoming and outgoing, i probably will have a need to do it[03:43:24] <cite> With SQL logging (enabling the bounce killer and penpals features), the ability to do DKIM signing, enhanced policy bank handling (@client_ipaddr_policy_maps) it's a rather powerful tool.[03:44:10] <cite> Given that you can simply plug in a few lines of Perl code (by means ov Amavis::Custom) and that you can configure a great many settings on a per recipient basis...[03:45:07] <fzzzt> my next adventure is going to be a multi-bayes setup[03:48:04] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[03:49:00] <fzzzt> once i can get the training user-friendly enough..[03:49:11] *** jense has quit IRC[03:50:08] <pickcoder> towlie says: don't forget to bring a towel[03:51:22] <anonymous> morning[03:53:22] * anonymous loads shells and a ramrod[03:53:52] <anonymous> hunting season is NOW![03:57:37] *** bluethundr has quit IRC[04:10:17] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[04:11:18] *** fronix is now known as fronix[OFF][04:13:39] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[04:19:32] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[04:23:02] *** plugwash has quit IRC[04:27:02] *** magyar has quit IRC[04:35:27] *** fzzzt has left #postfix[04:36:14] *** AndrewKT has quit IRC[04:42:46] <pickcoder> seekwill: no more bids on the memory so far[04:42:56] <seekwill> pickcoder: Awesome![04:43:11] <seekwill> pickcoder: But it's always goes up at the end[04:43:20] <pickcoder> yeah[04:43:30] <pickcoder> the past hour has been interesting on the ps2 auction[04:46:37] <pickcoder> thinking about trying my heli-max cpv3 on an auction. I don't have time to learn with the twins around.[04:47:31] *** nb has quit IRC[04:47:31] <seekwill> What is that?[04:47:39] <pickcoder> it's an r/c heli[04:47:41] <seekwill> You have twins?[04:47:45] <pickcoder> li-ion powered[04:47:51] <pickcoder> yeah[04:47:53] <pickcoder> 2-year-olds[04:47:54] <seekwill> Can I have one?[04:48:04] <pickcoder> today, I would consider it[04:48:08] <seekwill> haha[04:48:21] *** flourish has left #postfix[04:48:54] *** CMA has left #postfix[04:49:45] *** p3rror has quit IRC[04:49:56] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[04:49:56] *** nb has joined #postfix[04:51:42] <pickcoder> it's a sweet heli, but I need months of practice to be able to use it around here.[04:52:15] <pickcoder> the bell-hiller rotor assembly lets you do 3D aerobatics if you're experienced[04:52:25] *** hope13 has joined #postfix[04:54:28] *** magyar has joined #postfix[04:54:35] <seekwill> nice[04:54:40] <seekwill> How big is it?[04:56:00] <pickcoder> rotor span is ~20 in[04:56:01] <pickcoder> http://www.helimax-rc.com/helis/hmxe07-index.html[04:56:13] <pickcoder> and they hurt even with a thick winter coat on[04:56:32] <seekwill> lol[04:56:46] <hope13> when I use the sendmail command is it suppose to hang until i do ctrl+c?[04:57:21] <seekwill> Does Ctrl+D work?[04:57:34] <hope13> ctrl+c works[04:57:42] <hope13> i'm just wondering if it suppose to hang like that[04:57:50] <hope13> i get the mail and stuff[04:58:52] <seekwill> pickcoder: lol, do you have the training wheels? http://www.helimax-rc.com/gallery/hmxe07-gallery-b-lg.jpg[04:59:00] <hope13> i also get these weird message I'm trying to understand... : http://pastebin.com/d6f36e1be[04:59:30] <seekwill> What message do you not understand?[04:59:38] <hope13> the pastbin one[04:59:43] <seekwill> Which line?[04:59:44] <hope13> it seems like it send it 3 times[04:59:46] <hope13> and remove it?[04:59:51] <hope13> and yet i still get the mail[05:00:13] <hope13> the command i'm using is... : echo boo | /usr/sbin/sendmail -f panda panda && sudo tail -f /var/log/mail.log[05:00:17] <seekwill> Aug 29 02:54:24 WHITENINJA postfix/cleanup[17957]: 6B89FD00E6: message-id=<20090829025424.6B89FD00E6 at mail dot pyropiggy.com>[05:00:25] <seekwill> 6B89FD00E6 <-- that is a message id[05:01:11] <hope13> why is it sending multiple time?[05:01:21] <seekwill> Who said it is?[05:01:34] <hope13> well it seems like that from the msg[05:01:44] <seekwill> Maybe you're sending it multiple times?[05:01:53] <hope13> i only get one email tho[05:02:16] * seekwill goes for food[05:02:24] <hope13> mmm ok thx again[05:04:51] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[05:05:37] <pickcoder> seekwill: yeah I use the training balls. It takes time to learn how to hover. The controls are sensitive and not instantly responsive.[05:06:55] *** hope13 has quit IRC[05:07:03] <pickcoder> man pastebin.com is slow[05:07:06] <pickcoder> oh well[05:27:47] <rob0> 6B89FD00E6 is a queue ID, message-id=<20090829025424.6B89FD00E6 at mail dot pyropiggy.com>[05:28:16] <seekwill> pickcoder: Try pastebin.org!!! <j/k, don't...>[05:28:26] <Dominian> pastebin.slackadelic.com[05:28:40] <seekwill> rob0: Yeah... :)[05:37:44] <pickcoder> meh paypal's "discounted shipping rates" are a rip-off[05:47:43] *** CMA has joined #postfix[05:49:37] *** Mr_Grim has joined #postfix[05:56:10] *** CMA is now known as CMA_rock[05:56:20] *** CMA_rock has left #postfix[06:15:56] *** timotiCK has joined #POSTFIX[06:17:10] *** nb is now known as i[06:18:25] *** i is now known as nb[06:22:01] *** deface has quit IRC[06:23:05] *** ramoni_ has joined #postfix[06:34:52] *** seekwill has quit IRC[06:43:32] *** bluethundr_ has joined #postfix[06:48:38] *** p3rror has quit IRC[06:52:32] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[06:55:29] *** hever has joined #postfix[06:57:22] *** bluethundr_ has quit IRC[07:08:24] *** aantix has joined #postfix[07:19:44] *** clockspider has quit IRC[07:25:28] *** hever has quit IRC[07:30:24] *** andrewfree has quit IRC[07:39:27] *** hparker has quit IRC[08:01:12] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[08:16:07] *** bluethundr has joined #postfix[08:21:04] *** Mr_Grim has quit IRC[08:22:24] *** clockspider has quit IRC[08:29:18] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[08:37:17] *** bluethundr has quit IRC[08:43:33] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[09:03:00] *** aantix has quit IRC[09:03:47] *** denis has joined #postfix[09:21:11] *** carl- has joined #postfix[09:30:39] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[09:32:13] *** rcsu has joined #postfix[09:36:30] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[09:43:04] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[09:48:11] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[09:54:15] *** Tykling has joined #postfix[09:57:15] *** githogori_ has joined #postfix[09:57:25] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[10:12:21] *** ldp has joined #postfix[10:12:30] <ldp> I'm having a slight issue.[10:13:00] <ldp> Whenever i try to use thunderbird, or any other client for that matter with postfix, it tells me that the password I've entered is incorrect.[10:13:17] <ldp> I've played with mynetworks, set it up properly, yet it refuses to work.[10:13:25] <ldp> Right now, I'm forced to use webmail.[10:25:01] <Signum> So you have a webmail software installed that you can use to send emails. But you can't from a mail client?[10:25:19] <Signum> In what way does it refuse to work?[10:26:28] <anonymous> health dept says that working on shabbat seriously damages health[10:26:43] * anonymous <- not jewish[10:27:39] <ldp> Signum: As I said, it refuses my password.[10:27:51] <Signum> ldp: you surely have checked your server logfile[10:28:18] <_marix> ldp: are you trying to send or fetch emails?[10:28:30] <ldp> I haven't because I'm not sure where postfix stores its logs.[10:28:37] <ldp> _marix: Send. Fetching works.[10:28:51] <ldp> _marix: But that's my IMAP/POP3 server's area, I gues.[10:30:02] <_marix> ldp: usually somewhere in /var/log depends a bit on system, but probably mail.*[10:30:15] <ldp> mactimes: /var/log/mail.*?[10:30:21] <ldp> yes[10:30:25] * ldp reads logs[10:31:24] <ldp> Aha.[10:31:30] <ldp> SASL's the culprit.[10:31:53] <ldp> Aug 29 08:15:31 81-89-104-145 postfix/smtpd[30005]: warning: unknown[91.140.128.64]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure[10:32:04] <ldp> Hmm.[10:32:24] <ldp> It gives me relay errors when i disable SASL.[10:34:25] <Scurz> ldp: do you use sasl for the authentification for smtpd ?[10:34:32] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[10:36:21] *** ldp has quit IRC[10:36:33] <timotiCK> how is the "smtp ransaction time" controlled?[10:41:57] *** ldp has joined #postfix[10:42:15] <ldp> So yeah, I disabled SASL, and I get relay access erros.[10:42:20] <ldp> +r[10:42:33] *** ramoni_ has quit IRC[10:43:13] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:43:14] <timotiCK> the folks at mxtools are saying " 21.029 seconds - Not good! on Transaction time"[10:48:11] <ldp> ugh, I'll try setting postfix up with TLS[10:53:37] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[10:57:40] <Signum> ldp: does it work without tls?[10:59:04] <ldp> I figured out the issue.[10:59:24] <ldp> I had to specify dovecot as the sasl path.[10:59:34] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[11:06:30] <Signum> ldp: nice[11:08:42] <KB1JWQ> Signum: HELO, sir![11:16:00] <anonymous> oh hai[11:16:26] <KB1JWQ> anonymous: Oh, you again. :-p[11:16:44] <anonymous> yep, that happens[11:22:56] *** ldp has left #postfix[11:27:10] *** Supaplex_ is now known as Supaplex[11:28:25] *** al has quit IRC[11:37:48] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[11:41:53] *** al has joined #postfix[11:41:55] *** timotiCK has left #POSTFIX[11:44:42] *** Mr_Grim has joined #postfix[11:50:35] *** tjikkun has quit IRC[11:55:40] *** plugwash has joined #postfix[12:03:16] <Signum> KB1JWQ: hey, morning... :)[12:04:15] <KB1JWQ> How goes the battle, sir?[12:07:29] <Supaplex> yar![12:08:21] <KB1JWQ> Supaplex: Didn't ask you. :-P[12:08:46] <Supaplex> well tew bad. :P[12:11:00] <KB1JWQ> Gah, ya got me there. What can I do for ye?[12:11:44] <anonymous> well, some cash will do, i think[12:11:58] <anonymous> it always does[12:17:19] <Signum> KB1JWQ: battle half successful. just abusing the kids to clean up the garden. :)[12:17:44] <KB1JWQ> I want kids solely so I can pull that nonsense, Signum. :-D[12:17:52] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[12:18:10] <Signum> KB1JWQ: Unfortunately that doesn't work very often. Wife was on a LARP last night and just came home. So it's my early shift.[12:18:27] <Signum> If you get too much sleep try marriage and kids...[12:19:01] <KB1JWQ> Signum: You... married a LARPer?[12:20:09] <anonymous> oh my, is it about carrying an aluminium sword in public?[12:21:06] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[12:33:37] <Signum> KB1JWQ: Our first date was when I was at her door and she didn't let me in. Her doorbell was borked (for months) and her phone line was busy due to a modem and RPG chats. So I drove back home. :)[12:34:08] <KB1JWQ> Ahahaha awesome.[12:34:15] <Signum> anonymous: Well, more a LaTeX sword. But like that, yes. They are playing "Vampire" which is what women love. Bitching around, quarrels...[12:35:34] <anonymous> whoa, never seen that[12:36:45] *** wdp has quit IRC[12:37:55] <anonymous> yet, the story is amazing[12:38:07] <anonymous> eventually, you've returned[12:38:10] <anonymous> hehehe[12:45:09] *** jense has joined #postfix[13:06:41] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[13:12:43] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[13:13:08] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[13:25:06] *** hparker has joined #postfix[13:34:50] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[13:41:29] *** fabounio has quit IRC[13:54:26] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[13:57:15] *** smesjz has joined #postfix[14:05:50] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[14:12:13] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[14:27:10] *** mactimes has left #postfix[14:29:28] *** Carnage has joined #postfix[14:32:59] <Carnage> mmk, i'm having trouble getting postfix to use mysql for its mapping tables.[14:33:15] <Carnage> i've reinstalled the postfix port with mysql enabled[14:33:42] <Carnage> yet its still complaining that mysql is an unsupported dictionary type[14:34:18] <Carnage> (free bsd os)[14:34:45] <Carnage> any suggestions?[14:35:28] <Zerberus> Carnage: postfix -m tells you if mysql is supported, if not, you need to check your compile instructions[14:35:58] <Carnage> apparently -m is an illegal option[14:37:38] <Carnage> does that mean mysql isn't supported?[14:39:31] <Zerberus> Carnage: sorry, meant to say "postconf -m"[14:39:59] <Carnage> ok... its not listed[14:40:13] <Carnage> so it seems that make config failed at enabling ymsql[14:45:10] <Carnage> ok, for some reason when I recompiled the port it didn't acctually recompile it :s[14:45:41] <Carnage> postconf -m now lists mysql[14:45:50] <Carnage> thx[14:47:49] <Carnage> now the only thing left to sort is to force webmin/virtualmin to use virtual_mailboxes instead of virtual_aliases for its email...[14:53:56] <Carnage> ok, next question; its not very clear in the docs[14:54:13] <Carnage> if i use both the query and the select_field, table and where options[14:54:18] <Carnage> which does postfix use?[14:57:12] <Zerberus> Carnage: sorry, don't understand your question, can you explain?[14:58:00] <Carnage> well, for a mysql mapping you have a config file[14:58:18] <Carnage> before postfix 2.2 it had parameters of select_field, where_field and table[14:58:26] <Carnage> after 2.2 it has a single query parameter[14:58:47] <Carnage> webmin requires the pre2.2 config variables to be able to edit maps[14:59:00] <Carnage> so i've put both versions into the config file[14:59:18] <Carnage> i'd assume that postfix will use query by preferance?[15:01:27] <anonymous> discarding webmin, the question is?[15:02:07] <Carnage> if select_field, where_field, table and query are present in a mysql map config file, which variables are used?[15:02:39] <Zerberus> Carnage: postfix will use what its version dictates, it does not take care for what webmin thinks is right[15:03:49] *** CMA has joined #postfix[15:04:16] <Zerberus> Carnage: and man 5 mysql_table has a clear statement what is happening in that case[15:05:43] <Carnage> ah, yes it does.[15:05:53] <Carnage> the docs i was reading didn't make it that clear[15:12:31] *** fronix[OFF] is now known as fronix[15:23:55] *** Meliorator has quit IRC[15:29:53] *** Meliorator has joined #postfix[15:37:52] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[15:43:26] *** TomHome has quit IRC[15:45:14] *** hparker has quit IRC[15:45:56] *** hparker has joined #postfix[15:50:26] *** ramoni_ has joined #postfix[15:55:31] *** smesjz has quit IRC[16:18:42] *** CMA has quit IRC[16:35:36] *** ramoni_ has quit IRC[16:36:37] *** sophokles has quit IRC[16:36:49] *** hparker has quit IRC[16:39:06] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[16:48:39] *** paulez has quit IRC[16:49:47] *** paulez has joined #postfix[16:52:38] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[16:54:41] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[16:57:50] *** dalurka has quit IRC[17:14:54] *** maroy has joined #postfix[17:15:01] <maroy> hi[17:15:39] <maroy> I have a question: how can I make postfix go for SMTPS right away when delivering e-mail, and not try SMTP first and see if there's SMTPS support at the other end?[17:15:53] <rob0> !smtps[17:15:54] <knoba> rob0: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[17:15:57] *** karrotx has quit IRC[17:15:59] <maroy> I'm having an awkward situation, where my ISP has blocked the SMTP port access for some reason, but SMTPS works[17:16:00] <rob0> !smtps_client[17:16:00] <knoba> rob0: Error: "smtps_client" is not a valid command.[17:16:13] <maroy> but postfix tries SMTP first always, which times out, so no mail is sent :([17:16:32] <rob0> Postfix doesn't have a native means of doing smtps as a client.[17:16:50] <rob0> !port_25_block[17:16:50] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)[17:17:20] *** vys has joined #postfix[17:17:50] <lunaphyte> !submission[17:17:50] <knoba> lunaphyte: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/port25[17:18:17] <maroy> !basic[17:18:17] <knoba> maroy: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[17:18:36] *** bturnbull is now known as bturnbull_afk[17:19:14] <maroy> !relayhos[17:19:14] <knoba> maroy: Error: "relayhos" is not a valid command.[17:19:18] <maroy> !relayhost[17:19:18] <knoba> maroy: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[17:19:51] <rob0> smtps as a client is possible using stunnel, and TLS_README has an example.[17:24:41] <maroy> thanks rob0[17:26:11] <maroy> but for this, I have to set it up for every target host[17:26:19] <maroy> I can't make this work universally, so it seems[17:26:48] <rob0> Not the way you were thinking, no, smtps is submission only, not suitable for MX.[17:26:50] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[17:27:01] <maroy> :([17:27:11] <rob0> You'd have to use a relayhost or change ISP.[17:27:44] <maroy> actually this happend to a hosted server - the screwed up something about one day ago[17:28:02] <maroy> while they are investigating, I was hoping I can implement such a workaround[17:28:07] <rob0> Then that's something to discuss with the ISP, yes.[17:28:10] <maroy> so that some mail is sent out anyway[17:28:19] <maroy> sure, the discussion is going on :)[17:28:31] <maroy> thanks for the pointers though[17:30:04] <maroy> .leave[17:30:06] *** maroy has left #postfix[17:35:09] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[17:36:21] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[18:00:23] *** inqueue_ has joined #postfix[18:03:22] *** inqueue has quit IRC[18:03:23] *** inqueue_ is now known as inqueue[18:04:46] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[18:10:03] *** diqpib has quit IRC[18:20:13] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[18:22:31] *** sophokles has quit IRC[18:25:19] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[18:47:23] *** plugwash has quit IRC[18:48:51] <Carnage> http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html (seperate domains, none unix accounts section) has the example config using virtual_uid_maps= static:5000 on my system this is causing permission errors... is it safe (securitywise) to set the uid to say 125 (postfix's uid) toget around that?[18:51:14] <rob0> um, no. Make a virtual(8) user and chown(1) your directory.[18:51:34] <rob0> !mail_owner[18:51:35] <knoba> rob0: "mail_owner" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The UNIX system account that owns the Postfix queue and most Postfix daemon processes. Specify the name of a user account that does not share a group with other accounts and that owns no other files or processes on the system. In particular, don't specify nobody or daemon. PLEASE USE A DEDICATED USER ID AND GROUP ID.[18:52:15] <rob0> delivered mail is "other files".[18:52:31] <rob0> !virtual_uid_maps[18:52:31] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.[18:53:05] <Carnage> could i specify a mapping of account to system user account that owns the mailbox without any security issues?[18:54:39] <Carnage> rob0, if i'm understanding what you have linked to correctly, that would be the correct way to do it[18:54:59] <rob0> Mapping is the fancy way to do it, but it's a lot more work. If you want that kind of flexibility, why not just use local(8) delivery?[18:55:22] <Carnage> that would require a system account per mail address[18:55:28] <Carnage> which for various reasons isn't possible[18:55:29] <rob0> Indeed.[18:55:32] <rob0> Why?[18:55:59] <Carnage> multi user hosting enviroment with a limit on username length[18:56:04] <rob0> (Well, there are aliases(5) too, so it's not a system account per address.)[18:56:21] <Carnage> well, yes but with an alias all the mail goes to one account[18:56:27] <rob0> huh?[18:56:58] *** Guest84813 has joined #postfix[18:57:00] <Carnage> if you alias postmaster and webmaster to carnage[18:57:08] <Carnage> you get one inbox for all three addresses[18:57:25] *** Guest84813 is now known as deface[18:57:43] <Carnage> i dont want postmaster/webmaster email getting mixed in with my personal email[18:59:38] <Carnage> a mapping is secure thou?[18:59:50] <Carnage> the way i've got things setup a mapping isn't that much work[19:00:15] <rob0> I use .forward files and recipient_delimiter, I have fine-grained control of where mail is delivered.[19:00:45] <Carnage> my server hosts about 15 domains currently[19:00:59] <Carnage> that'll probably grow in the future[19:01:07] <rob0> "A mapping is secure" ... sure, unless it's not.[19:01:34] <Carnage> assume that each domain is owned by a seperate system user[19:01:46] <Carnage> mail for that domain should be owned by that system user[19:02:01] <Carnage> however the domain owner may want to give out multiple email logins[19:02:31] <Carnage> for multiple mailboxes[19:02:54] <Carnage> i'm starting to get the feeling that i'm going about this slightly wrong[19:03:24] <Carnage> instead of storing everything in /var/mail[19:03:38] <Carnage> it should be stored in ~/var/mail[19:04:03] <Carnage> with a uid mapping for the virtual_uid_maps that'd work?[19:06:24] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[19:07:42] *** jimmygoon has joined #postfix[19:08:07] <jimmygoon> I'm trying to configure pam with postfix and I had to use md5 to store my password in the DB. What should crypt= be set to?[19:09:12] <jimmygoon> shit, is that even possible? It looks like I may have to use crypt or mysql's encrypt?[19:14:43] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[19:14:48] *** aantix has joined #postfix[19:17:16] *** aantix has quit IRC[19:27:21] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[19:38:49] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[19:39:56] <standon> hehehe[19:40:30] <jimmygoon> ?[19:42:15] *** CMA has joined #postfix[19:43:59] *** B-Man has joined #postfix[19:44:13] *** B-Man has left #postfix[19:49:49] *** Carnage has quit IRC[19:50:10] *** yamishi has joined #postfix[19:50:25] <jimmygoon> I know that I'm using the right password yet I keep getting: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: authentication failure[19:50:50] <yamishi> hi all[19:50:55] <yamishi> i got a problem[19:51:26] <yamishi> i try to use the virtualmin module within webmin panel with postfix but i get this message[19:51:27] <yamishi> A problem was found with your Postfix virtual maps : No map sources were found in the Postfix configuration[19:52:15] <KB1JWQ> yamishi: You have a choice.[19:52:31] <KB1JWQ> You can do this within webmin, or you can put the kids' toys away and learn how to configure postfix.[19:52:46] <KB1JWQ> Pick one. :)[19:53:13] <yamishi> second one but i'm really new to all this[19:53:28] <KB1JWQ> !basic[19:53:28] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[19:53:33] <KB1JWQ> Fear not, we have tools to help you.[19:53:42] <KB1JWQ> Go read.[19:53:47] <yamishi> ok[19:56:29] * anonymous has a whip, two barrels, trauma gun, pepper spray and some dozens of knives[19:56:50] * rob0 has the beer and chips[19:57:11] <anonymous> that's included[19:57:34] <rob0> Pepper spray is pretty good on chips, BTW.[19:57:48] <rob0> just don't touch your eyes[19:58:18] <anonymous> or scratch something private[19:58:21] <anonymous> yes[19:58:51] <rob0> Ouchie, I never thought of that, but I bet you're right.[19:59:05] <jeev> what do you guys think about running anything on an atom ?[20:00:05] <rob0> Fission chips?[20:00:17] <lunaphyte> at my last job, we had a little set top sort of thing that ran fbsd and a bunch of multimedia stuff on an atom board. it actually ran surprisingly well. played hd content with really no trouble, after a little diddling.[20:00:39] <anonymous> why it essentially differs from p3?[20:00:43] * lunaphyte smacks rob0. fission chips! HAHA![20:01:24] <rob0> The main purpose of the Atom is portability, energy savings. Not likely to want to run mail services from a laptop.[20:01:45] <jeev> i think if i take this atom offer my friend gave me[20:01:46] <jeev> i wont run bsd on it.[20:02:04] <anonymous> jeev i did[20:02:18] <jeev> dunno, with bsd.. i think more about building things by hand[20:02:19] <anonymous> no shit, no harm, no trouble[20:02:21] <jeev> when i think linux, i think packages.[20:02:31] <jeev> and i dont feel like building world on something that'll take 7 hours[20:02:41] <anonymous> you could also think packages in fbsd too[20:02:45] <jeev> yea i know[20:02:52] <rob0> indeed, you'd want a binary distribution for any atom[20:02:54] <jeev> i can freebsd update binaries.. but i've never done it and i dont want to piss on my favorite OS[20:03:26] <anonymous> your choice[20:05:13] <KB1JWQ> Seriously. I'm a FBSD guy myself, and that just seems like cheating. :-)[20:05:39] <jeev> i've disrespected binary packages since i saw what rpm's were[20:05:57] <anonymous> oh noes[20:06:48] <anonymous> if i use linux, i switch to suse[20:07:00] *** vys has quit IRC[20:07:01] <anonymous> and its build service[20:07:02] <jeev> i thought suse was cool, had it on my first lenovo (lenovo sucks)[20:07:07] <jeev> but i've always loved slackawre.[20:07:09] <jeev> slackware[20:07:28] <jimmygoon> YAY! My email server finally works! 6 months after I started!!![20:07:33] <anonymous> ok, do not want to start a holywar[20:07:37] <jeev> :>[20:07:40] <jeev> jimmygoon, what was the problem[20:07:47] <rob0> Wholly war![20:07:48] <anonymous> but just read about the Build Service[20:07:59] <jimmygoon> jeev, pam.d/smtp had the wrong sql password in it.[20:08:06] <jeev> lol[20:08:09] <rob0> Holey war![20:08:10] <jeev> took 6 months to figure that out ?[20:08:14] <jimmygoon> would that have shown up somewhere in a log, cause I sure as shit didn't see it[20:08:28] <jimmygoon> lol I've been lazy and I have lots of other smtp servers available[20:08:34] <jeev> im sure if you enabled logging in sql[20:08:41] <jeev> and watched it not query![20:08:52] <jimmygoon> yeah, that makes sense. I would've seen failed logins for "mailadmin"[20:09:01] <jimmygoon> that probably would've been a good hint. oh well![20:09:40] *** aantix has joined #postfix[20:10:19] <rob0> Also, PAM might be able to do some logging.[20:10:56] <jeev> i never looked into pam[20:12:32] *** p3rror has quit IRC[20:13:12] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[20:13:57] *** timotiCK has joined #POSTFIX[20:18:15] *** jimmygoon has quit IRC[20:19:13] *** KB1JWQ has quit IRC[20:19:49] *** NETChago has joined #postfix[20:24:36] <jduggan> anyone happen to have anything to stress test postfix using saslauth[20:24:44] <standon> jduggan: sounds weird.[20:25:22] <jduggan> not really, ive written a policy daemon which takes sasl attributes, i want to stress it by putting load on postfix[20:25:31] <jduggan> if nobody has anything i'll write it[20:25:35] <jduggan> but thought i'd ask.[20:26:49] <anonymous> sasl itself takes place in the initial phase[20:27:07] <anonymous> so you could as well skip sasl testing, i suppose[20:28:19] <jduggan> but then postfix sends blank sasl attributes to my daemon[20:28:32] <jduggan> which isnt testing it in a realworld scenario :)[20:28:36] <jduggan> ive found something i can modify anyway[20:33:39] *** yamishi has quit IRC[20:34:16] *** aantix has quit IRC[20:34:18] *** KB1JWQ has joined #postfix[20:35:11] *** |deadpigeon| has quit IRC[20:35:49] <standon> jduggan: yeah, go ahead and write it.[20:35:59] <standon> *sigh*[20:36:37] <jduggan> wtf[20:38:06] *** sadf has joined #postfix[20:39:01] *** cloxie has quit IRC[20:42:23] *** fabounio has quit IRC[20:45:55] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[20:46:49] *** NETChago has quit IRC[20:48:34] *** aantix has joined #postfix[21:08:37] *** fronix has quit IRC[21:24:37] *** Muhis has quit IRC[21:29:15] *** mac- has quit IRC[21:30:10] *** astinus is now known as z[21:32:14] *** inqueue has quit IRC[21:41:45] *** carl- has quit IRC[21:54:48] *** CMA has quit IRC[21:55:26] *** CMA has joined #postfix[21:59:00] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[22:10:22] *** carl- has joined #postfix[22:22:31] *** carl- has quit IRC[22:47:41] *** farchanjo has joined #postfix[22:54:01] *** wdp has joined #postfix[22:54:32] *** uqlev has quit IRC[22:58:45] *** githogori_ has quit IRC[23:06:14] *** aantix has quit IRC[23:18:50] *** denis has quit IRC[23:19:22] *** bluethundr_ has joined #postfix[23:29:39] *** Zerberus has quit IRC[23:43:40] *** aantix has joined #postfix[23:50:17] *** Carnage has joined #postfix[23:51:08] *** mactimes has quit IRC[23:52:10] <cite> What is a "sassy teether feeder"?[23:52:52] <Carnage> thats one thing i woulnd't recomend googling...[23:53:55] <Carnage> ok. why will postfix not allow a relative path for virtual_mailbox_base ?[23:54:13] <cite> Becasue how on earth should it qualify that path then?[23:54:29] <Carnage> well, i'm using the virtual transport agent[23:54:48] <Carnage> and want to use the path ~/mail/$recepientpath[23:54:55] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_base[23:54:55] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.[23:55:00] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_maps[23:55:00] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.[23:55:30] <rob0> The virtual_mailbox_maps lookup result is appended to virtual_mailbox_base ...[23:55:39] <cite> Carnage: Since virtual(8) isn't necessarily executed under the uid you'd expect.[23:55:55] <Carnage> yeah i tried setting virtual_mailbox_base to ~/mail[23:55:58] <Carnage> and it complained[23:56:05] <cite> So, probably, specifying ~/mail/$recepientpath is a bad idea.[23:56:12] <Carnage> well, its using a lookup table to get the uid[23:56:17] *** aantix has quit IRC[23:56:25] <rob0> virtual_mailbox_base = /home[23:56:37] <Carnage> and the uid is restricted by the min uid[23:56:47] <rob0> virtual_mailbox_maps returning user/mail/mailbox/[23:56:54] <Carnage> then all the recipient paths would have to be user/mail/mailbox[23:57:02] <Carnage> guess if thats the only way to do it...[23:57:22] <cite> I really don't understand your problem.[23:57:41] <Carnage> problem is that some home dirs are in /usr/home others are in /home[23:57:56] <rob0> Carnage wants a hybrid of local(8) and virtual(8) basically.[23:57:59] <cite> Then specify those in the lookup map?[23:58:08] <Carnage> acctually[23:58:19] <Carnage> i think i'm over looking the obvious solution for this one...[23:58:27] <cite> Or l2symlink.[23:58:42] <Carnage> fix the mess cpanel left behind on my server and move all the home dirs to /usr/home where they should be[23:58:43] <rob0> well, the /usr/home thing is not going to work, maybe if symlinked ...[23:59:05] <rob0> Why do home directories beloing in /usr/home ?[23:59:09] <Carnage> free bsd[23:59:34] <anonymous> bullshit[23:59:52] <Carnage> thats where it puts them by default