[00:00:06] <cite> Hey, I scared seekwill!
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[00:17:29] * pickcoder needs some part-time work
[00:18:08] <cite> pickcoder: Hey, you could write  a few dozen unit tests for me! ;-)
[00:18:34] <pickcoder> for what?
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[00:21:54] <cite> Ah, a Rails application I've been writing.
[00:22:00] <pickcoder> oh
[00:22:06] <pickcoder> I don't do rails yet
[00:22:16] <pickcoder> too many other things to keep up witth
[00:22:17] <thumbs> cite: seekwill will do it for free
[00:22:18] <cite> Guess you don't miss too much.
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[00:29:18] <cite> Debian broke multi instance support in 2.6. n1!
[00:29:49] <pickcoder> EH?
[00:29:53] <pickcoder> eh even
[00:30:01] <cite> They don't copy dynamicmaps to a newly created instance.
[00:30:08] <cite> dynamicmaps.cf
[00:30:34] <pickcoder> is 2.6 even out of unstable yet?
[00:30:45] <cite> Oh, and /usr/sbin/postfix has the wrong path to postfix-script.
[00:30:45] <pickcoder> I don't remember seeing it
[00:31:03] <cite> Nope. But building 2.6 on stable is quite easy. I've been maintaining backports for some years now.
[00:31:20] <pickcoder> are you a DD?
[00:31:31] <cite> Christ, no.
[00:31:32] <adaptr> no, he's a small C
[00:31:38] <pickcoder> heh
[00:32:00] <pickcoder> cite: you mean you manage your own backports
[00:32:16] * adaptr manages his own backport too!
[00:32:27] * pickcoder was backported once
[00:32:34] <cite> pickcoder: Yes, that's what I meant.
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[00:32:40] <pickcoder> I think the same version resulted
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[00:36:12] <tona> POSTFIX is a MTA ?
[00:36:16] <cite> yes
[00:36:27] <pickcoder> and more
[00:36:54] <cite> It also cooks, does the dishes and cuddles with you when you need to watch teenage highschool movies.
[00:37:01] <cite> Oh, wait.
[00:37:07] <pickcoder> no windows?
[00:37:08] <cite> It doesn't do the dishes.
[00:37:14] <pickcoder> I'm moving back to exim4 then
[00:38:07] <tona> how can i configure postfix dont take my computers name , terra.com.mx is not receiving my emails, ?
[00:38:22] <tona> warning possible ip address
[00:40:11] <cite> I really don't understand.
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[00:42:07] <tona> my emails is taking computer name locally like 192.168.2.7, and this ip es local is not public, how can i fix it
[00:42:10] <rob0> !welcome
[00:42:10] <knoba> rob0: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.
[00:42:21] <rob0> !basic
[00:42:21] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[00:43:36] <tona> could check this header
[00:43:36] <tona> <tratto1 at infosel dot net.mx>: host mx.vmx.terra.com[208.84.244.136] refused to
[00:43:36] <tona> talk
[00:43:36] <tona>     to me: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname,
[00:43:36] <tona>     [201.117.212.81]
[00:44:43] <tona> one guy told me my pc is taking computer name , i should tell MTA erase it, just take server name like mail.plasticosit.com.mx
[00:45:00] <pickcoder> tona: your PC's IP address is not 201.117.212.81
[00:45:26] <pickcoder> use your ISPs mail server as a relayhost or set up a domain name on your IP address
[00:45:56] <pickcoder> though, not being able to perform rDNS is not really a valid reason to reject
[00:46:12] <seekwill> pickcoder: I do!
[00:46:23] <pickcoder> I lost that battle already and went home with my ball
[00:46:35] * seekwill steals pickcoder's ball
[00:47:06] * pickcoder sends a horde of drunk attack chipmunks after seekwill
[00:47:14] <tona> pickcoder let me paste my full header
[00:47:27] <pickcoder> !pastebin
[00:47:27] <knoba> pickcoder: "pastebin" : see !paste
[00:47:29] <pickcoder> !paste
[00:47:30] <knoba> pickcoder: "paste" : do not paste more than 3-4 lines in the channel. a pastebin is a way to share larger amounts of data with others, without flooding the channel with garbage. try http://pastebin.com or http://paste.debian.net (or use google and find your own). don't forget to tell us the url where you pasted the text
[00:47:54] <tona> http://pastebin.com/m8fa9043
[00:48:46] <pickcoder> tona: and my answer is still the same. the error is that 201.117.212.81 has no PTR entry in DNS
[00:48:49] <seekwill> You know pastebin.org is awesome for the NSFW ads :)
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[00:50:01] <cite> 81.212.117.201.in-addr.arpa. 89664 IN   PTR     wan-a32-0810-0014.uninet-ide.com.mx.
[00:50:31] <pickcoder> looks like the remote server is having lookup issues
[00:50:55] <tona> ok thans
[00:51:02] <rob0> Host wan-a32-0810-0014.uninet-ide.com.mx. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[00:51:22] <rob0> !fcrdns
[00:51:22] <pickcoder> I get an answer here
[00:51:23] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[00:51:56] <pickcoder> but yeah, the forward DNS for that is missing
[00:52:51] <rob0> !reject_unkown_client_hostname
[00:52:51] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_unkown_client_hostname" is not a valid command.
[00:52:55] <rob0> !reject_unkown_client
[00:52:56] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_unkown_client" is not a valid command.
[00:52:59] <rob0> !reject_unknown_client
[00:53:00] <knoba> rob0: Error: "reject_unknown_client" is not a valid command.
[00:53:03] <rob0> oops
[00:53:29] <cite> !reject_unknown_client_reverse_hostname
[00:53:29] <knoba> cite: Error: "reject_unknown_client_reverse_hostname" is not a valid command.
[00:53:34] <cite> Damn you, knoba.
[00:53:57] * pickcoder is spins around avoiding the knoba flood
[00:54:29] <pickcoder> homeward bound...
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[00:54:36] <seekwill> !reject_unknown_client_reverse_hostname
[00:54:36] <knoba> seekwill: Error: "reject_unknown_client_reverse_hostname" is not a valid command.
[00:55:31] <rob0> it's reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname
[00:55:39] <rob0> reversed, if you will
[00:55:47] <rob0> reversed, if you seekwill
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[00:57:44] <seekwill> w00t
[00:57:46] <thumbs> kill seekwill
[00:57:50] <seekwill> :(
[00:57:57] <seekwill> thumbs: Are you playing the new game?
[00:58:32] <thumbs> no time yet
[00:58:36] <seekwill> Figures!
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[01:02:22] <cite> new game?
[01:02:29] <thumbs> yeah
[01:02:39] <thumbs> will has nothing to do all day, so he plays games
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[01:05:49] <seekwill> Just because I can finish my work, doesn't mean I have nothing to do... :P
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[01:06:00] <mxmasster> hello
[01:06:07] <mxmasster> i'm running postfix 2.3.12
[01:06:11] <mxmasster> and am trying to enable ipv6
[01:06:12] <seekwill> Are you an MX master?
[01:06:27] <mxmasster> seekwill: absolutely
[01:06:35] <seekwill> Oh good.
[01:06:39] <seekwill> I have some questions
[01:06:56] <mxmasster> setting inet_protocols = all does not seem to work
[01:07:23] <mxmasster> seekwill: it originally meant "mix master" but the name works out pretty well now
[01:07:40] <mxmasster> how do i validate that this install compiled with ipv6 support properly
[01:09:58] <lunaphyte> !tell mxmasster welcome
[01:12:28] <cite> mxmasster: Linux? netstat -6tlnp | grep master
[01:13:21] <mxmasster> bsd
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[01:13:24] <mxmasster> netstat -f inet6 -n
[01:13:27] <cite> mxmasster: GNU toolbox available? lsof -i TCP:25
[01:13:29] <mxmasster> definately no postfix running
[01:13:34] <mxmasster> postfix is running
[01:13:39] <mxmasster> not listening to v6
[01:14:29] <cite> mxmasster: Three other reasons: 1. You don't have IPv6. 2. smtpd is configured with a specific address in master.cf 3. You didn't restart postfix after chaning inet_protocols.
[01:15:03] <mxmasster> 1) running on the box, 2) good point - didn't check that, 3) did
[01:16:32] <rob0> !inet_protocols
[01:16:32] <knoba> rob0: "inet_protocols" : The Internet protocols Postfix will attempt to use when making or accepting connections. Specify one or more of ipv4 or ipv6 , separated by whitespace or commas. The form all is equivalent to ipv4, ipv6 or ipv4 , depending on whether the operating system implements IPv6.
[01:17:10] <rob0> oh, default appears to be ipv4
[01:17:13] <mxmasster> no hard coded ip
[01:17:14] <mxmasster> smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[01:17:42] <mxmasster> inetops.cthought.com# postconf | grep inet_inter
[01:17:42] <mxmasster> inet_interfaces = all
[01:18:03] <cite> protocols
[01:18:43] <mxmasster> typo :) there it is
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[01:19:42] <mxmasster> it's been the day o' typos
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[02:07:21] <BlackNet> any way to dump the current settings in amavis?
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[02:09:38] <lunaphyte> what's amavis?
[02:10:13] <rob0> !amavis
[02:10:13] <knoba> rob0: "amavis" : see !amavisd-new
[02:10:28] <rob0> See also #amavis
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[02:16:36] <BlackNet> take it that's a dunno :)
[02:16:52] <lunaphyte> why would you take it that way?
[02:17:07] <depquid> if, after DATA, a client supplies a slow but constant stream of data to smtpd, does any timeout apply other than daemon_timeout?
[02:24:33] <KB1JWQ> !tls
[02:24:33] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "tls" : Short for Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS features in Postfix are documented here: http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
[02:24:40] <KB1JWQ> Have to regen my bloody cert; it just hit expiry.
[02:26:50] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: that sucks
[02:27:00] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: I made a self-signed cert on mine, heh
[02:41:20] <KB1JWQ> There we go, works now.
[02:41:27] <KB1JWQ> You can expect this again next September. :-p
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[03:00:55] <foobar2k> hey
[03:01:15] <foobar2k> is there any way i can disable the local relay
[03:01:49] <foobar2k> i want _all_ mail to be sent out externally
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[03:29:30] <rob0> !standard
[03:29:30] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
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[03:32:33] <foobar2k> i've looked through this
[03:32:59] <foobar2k> i cant see an answer
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[03:37:26] <inqueue> have you tried setting local_transport to something other than local:$myhostname?
[03:37:40] <rob0> STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client
[03:37:41] <inqueue> i mean, if you do want to completely disable local
[03:37:50] <rob0> could also do "mydestination ="
[03:38:36] <inqueue> that too
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[03:55:17] <foobar2k> so setting postfix up as a null client (which i did) means i cant send any mails out to someuser at mydomain dot com
[03:55:29] <foobar2k> Recipient address rejected: local delivery is disabled;
[03:56:18] <foobar2k> and postfix wont let me set myhostname and relayhost to the same thing
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[04:02:38] <rob0> 01:38 < rob0> could also do "mydestination ="
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[04:20:20] <standon> rob0: you need only repeat yourself for people who will never listen; ergo, it is fruitless to repeat.  instead, drink beer!
[04:20:38] <rob0> I'll drink to that!
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[04:36:24] <thumbs> rob0: give ma drink too
[04:36:43] <foobar2k> oops
[04:36:49] <foobar2k> thanks guys
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[07:59:57] <flourish> hello, what does this mean and what should i do; 550 No RDNS entry for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (in reply to RCPT TO command)
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[08:33:16] <Signum> flourish: The mail server you are sending to is picky and wants you to have a reverse DNS entry (a "PTR" record in your DNS zone for the IP address of your mail servers)
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[13:35:11] <Ironhand> hey, I have a server with a postfix install running mysql based virtual domains... is there a way to make postfix fall back to /etc/aliases for mails addressed to nonexistant users @ virtual domains?
[13:35:54] <Ironhand> basically I want to make abuse@ and postmaster@ type addresses global aliases for the same real mail address across all my virtual domains, without having to define them separately for each domain
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[13:40:31] <Signum> Ironhand: It has been asked a few times already. Nobody found a nifty solution besides defining them expliticly for all domains.
[13:42:29] <Ironhand> Signum: ok thanks, still thinking about a last resort solution in the form of manipulating the SQL queries postfix uses a bit
[13:42:38] <Signum> Ironhand: that would also work.
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[13:48:15] * cpm just defines them per domain. Not a big deal. It's part of setting up a new domain.
[13:48:31] <cpm> takes another 22 seconds.
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[13:52:26] <Ironhand> unfortunately there's multiple people responsible for administering virtual domains on the server in question, and I just know that having a "do it manually" approach will lead to inconsistency
[13:52:50] <Ironhand> plus it's a lot of unnecessary database clutter for a server running 100's of domains
[13:52:59] <cpm> build it into the create domain process, (which I hope is a script)
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[13:57:57] <jduggan> yea, your scripts/code can do it, maybe you can do some trigger when a domain is inserted into a domains table also
[13:58:06] <jduggan> not really effort..
[13:58:51] <Ironhand> but it also means I have to loop over all existing domains whenever I want to add a new global alias
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[15:37:57] <AlexC_> g'morning
[15:38:20] <AlexC_> not entirely sure where to ask this, however regarding Domain Keys - is a self-signed certificate sufficient, or does it need to be an official one?
[15:39:17] <lunaphyte> domainkeys/dkim doesn't use certificates.
[15:40:13] <AlexC_> ah ok, yeah was getting confused by the creation of the needed files
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[15:53:37] <svanheulen> hello
[15:54:05] <svanheulen> i have a question about amavisd-release if anyone can help me please
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[15:55:34] <lunaphyte> first, you must convince us that you've made a concerted effort to get help in more appropriate venues prior to asking here.
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[15:56:21] <svanheulen> I've been searching on google for about an hour and i tried #amavis which seems to be dead
[15:57:22] <lunaphyte> alright, you may continue :p
[15:58:03] <lunaphyte> though there are, of course, no guarantees.
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[15:59:03] <svanheulen> i'm trying to use amavisd-release to release from a local quaratine mailbox. i can find how to use it on file based quaratines and sql based quaratines but not mailbox
[15:59:50] <lunaphyte> i've never used amavisd-release, so i'm afraid i can't offer any insight.
[16:00:02] <svanheulen> fair enough
[16:00:47] <svanheulen> there's almost no documentation for amavisd-new :( hard to find answers
[16:04:04] <lunaphyte> have you spent time reading and understanding the am.pdp protocol?
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[16:09:48] <svanheulen> nope, i know what that is... i get an error saying sql mode isn't enabled
[16:14:50] <BlackNet> amavisd-release spam/U/UM3XM3XDbN52.gz should be this
[16:15:53] <BlackNet> svanheulen http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/amavisd-new-docs.html#quar-release may need those extra lines added
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[16:22:04] <svanheulen> BlackNet, that's for file based quaratine, it says the file doesn't exsist when I try that
[16:22:28] <lunaphyte> what is "mailbox-base quarantine"?
[16:22:44] <lunaphyte> *based
[16:23:07] <svanheulen> $spam_quarantine_to = 'spam@localhost';
[16:23:22] <svanheulen> sticks it in a local mailbox
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[16:25:38] <svanheulen> that link you posted BlackNet is what I was looking at before, it says to look in the log for the "quaratine: " part which i did
[16:26:17] <svanheulen> it just has the email address in it though, and when i use that as an argument for amavisd-release it says it's an unsafe filename
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[16:27:10] <svanheulen> and if i just use the mail id it thinks it's an sql quarantine and fails
[16:28:31] <cite> svanheulen: It is not possible to release mails from a mailbox with amavisd-release.
[16:29:04] <svanheulen> cite: that would explain it then... thanks
[16:29:51] <svanheulen> cite: is there some other way to do it?
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[16:30:30] <cite> svanheulen: Sure. Access the quarantine mailbox with a MUA like "mutt" and use it's bounce feature. Grep for the message-id in the quarantine mailbox and pipe the message to "sendmail".
[16:31:04] <cite> svanheulen: But, of all possible ways to handle unwanted content, redirecting to a completely different mailbox is the worst one.
[16:31:19] <cite> (In terms of manageability.)
[16:31:33] <cite> (Duh, I'm pretty sure that's not even an English word.)
[16:32:21] <svanheulen> cite: yeah i've been using mutt, and i have it going to a mailbox so that i could read through them easily
[16:32:36] <lunaphyte> manageability?  sure it is.
[16:32:45] <svanheulen> cite: how would you suggest i quarantine them?
[16:33:03] <lunaphyte> !maia
[16:33:03] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "maia" is not a valid command.
[16:33:08] <cite> lunaphyte: Are you sure? I don't know.
[16:33:15] <lunaphyte> sure i'm sure.
[16:33:17] <cite> svanheulen: I'm using SQL quarantine.
[16:33:51] <svanheulen> cite: is there an easy way to read the emails in it?
[16:34:06] <cite> svanheulen: Right now, I'm writing a web frontend which, amongst other things, includes quarantine management. Until this is finished, you might want to google for "mailzu" (though it's pretty old) or look at http://myamavis.kapott.org/
[16:34:19] <lunaphyte> !learn maia as maia mailguard is a web-based interface and management system based on the popular amavisd-new e-mail scanner and spamassassin.  see http://www.maiamailguard.com for more info.
[16:34:30] <lunaphyte> !maia
[16:34:30] <knoba> lunaphyte: "maia" : maia mailguard is a web-based interface and management system based on the popular amavisd-new e-mail scanner and spamassassin. see http://www.maiamailguard.com for more info.
[16:34:32] <cite> !forget maia
[16:34:39] <svanheulen> haha
[16:34:52] <cite> !learn maia as maia mailguard is a web-based interface and management system based on an outdated version of the popular amavisd-new e-mail scanner and spamassassin.  see http://www.maiamailguard.com for more info.
[16:35:08] <cite> !maia
[16:35:09] <knoba> cite: "maia" : maia mailguard is a web-based interface and management system based on an outdated version of the popular amavisd-new e-mail scanner and spamassassin. see http://www.maiamailguard.com for more info.
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[16:35:23] <lunaphyte> !forget maia
[16:35:23] <BlackNet> maia better than amavis?
[16:35:41] <svanheulen> well thanks a ton for the help/info guys
[16:35:53] <lunaphyte> !learn maia as maia mailguard is a web-based interface and management system originally based on the amavisd-new e-mail scanner and spamassassin.  see http://www.maiamailguard.com for more info.
[16:36:55] <cite> BlackNet: amavisd-new is just a content filtering framework. Maia tries to enrich that with web based (quarantine) management. It is not up-to-date as far as the amavisd part is concerned. My advice: Don't use it.
[16:37:08] <BlackNet> ah :)
[16:37:11] <BlackNet> i use amavisd-new
[16:37:23] <lunaphyte> that's a disingenuous statement.
[16:37:44] <BlackNet> been having this idiot sending spam in pdf files recently. large file sizes to
[16:37:51] <cite> lunaphyte: What does "disingenuous" mean?
[16:37:51] <lunaphyte> i've used maia in multiple mail systems and have had great success with it.
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[16:38:49] <lunaphyte> maybe hyperbolic would have been more accurate.
[16:39:57] <lunaphyte> either way, while maia initially derived from amavisd-new, amavisd-maia has grown on it's own, as it's own program just as much as amavisd-new has grown as it's own program.
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[16:42:15] <BlackNet> i ended up adding that ip to the hosts.trashcan file :)
[16:42:46] <MasterOne> Hey ;)
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[16:46:14] <cite> lunaphyte: It seems the last release is two years old.
[16:46:40] <cite> lunaphyte: Can't say that this looks like much "growing" might have happened.
[16:48:24] <lunaphyte> that's far from any sort of empirical metric.
[16:49:57] <lunaphyte> have you used maia, either as an admin or end user?
[16:50:19] <cite> I was using it back in 2007 on one of my private servers.
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[16:51:17] <lunaphyte> was there something about it you had problems with?
[16:51:54] <cite> I was using Opera back then and had some issues with the HTMl rendering of the spam quarantine.
[16:52:13] <rob0> What in real terms of features does Maia lack, that amavisd-new has?
[16:52:22] <cite> DKIM-signing.
[16:52:28] <cite> Customizable reject messages.
[16:52:37] <rob0> (I've never used Maia, don't currently use amavisd-new either.)
[16:52:50] <cite> Bounce killer.
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[16:53:03] <cite> True SNMp support.
[16:53:16] <rob0> I'm rather considering a pre-queue milter instead.
[16:53:23] <BlackNet> rob0 how much spam do you get?
[16:53:30] <rob0> Very little.
[16:53:34] <BlackNet> and how many boxes do you host?
[16:53:45] <rob0> (zen and HELO checks kill it.)
[16:54:34] <cite> Oh, and custom packages, of course.
[16:55:25] <cite> rob0: Oh, and Penpals.
[16:55:52] <BlackNet> i host for a few hundred accounts
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[16:57:40] <BlackNet> here we go :). less /var/log/mail.log | grep "Blocked SPAM" | grep -vw "quarantine" | cut -d " " -f 9,12,17-18 | sort | less offending ip's who they sent to and the reject scores.
[16:58:02] <cite> rob0: Wait, I forgot database partitioning support.
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[16:59:44] <BlackNet> i just turned off quarantine stuff past few days. got tired of trash filling up virusmails directory,
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[17:07:10] <BlackNet> gads. just called one of my clients to ask about the number of rejects for a user and found out this user died first of the year. she has 7,000 unread emails in her inbox
[17:09:12] <lunaphyte> yeesh.  that's horrible.
[17:09:31] <BlackNet> said she died in her living room on new years
[17:09:44] <BlackNet> she's been in the top 5 spam receivers this whole year
[17:09:48] <jduggan> sucks to be dead
[17:09:54] <lunaphyte> natural circumstances?
[17:10:10] <BlackNet> dunno, didnt' ask. she wasnt that old either.
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[17:10:23] <lunaphyte> i hate stuff like that.
[17:10:26] <BlackNet> same
[17:10:47] <BlackNet> figured i would call and ask because the size of the mailbox. i run reports to show inbox sizes and stuff
[17:11:30] <BlackNet> 3.4G    .
[17:11:30] <BlackNet> 80M     dorothy@
[17:12:14] <lunaphyte> now you can add a new conditional - if elapsed time is greater than 6 months and the mailbox size is greater than 5k items, be careful when you ask, because it might not be the best situation!  :)
[17:12:45] <BlackNet> usually sites will either goto my admin page and remove users or call me and have me do it
[17:13:48] <BlackNet> du -s `ls -1` | sort -n  is the basic of the size report
[17:14:58] <BlackNet> here's one with 12,000 emails
[17:18:09] <BlackNet> shame sort doesn't do natural order
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[17:18:49] <cite> BlackNet: "natural order"?
[17:18:52] <BlackNet> yes
[17:19:03] <cite> I don't understand. Bear with me. Can you give an example?
[17:19:18] <BlackNet> like like 12K and 12M would not be lumped together
[17:19:26] <BlackNet> alpha numeric sorting.
[17:20:21] <BlackNet> a regular numeric sort of 1, 2, 3, 10, 100, 1000 would yield 1, 10, 100, 1000, 2, 3.
[17:20:33] <BlackNet> a natural sort would yield, 1, 2, 3, 10, 100, 1000.
[17:20:55] <cite> Oh, I see.
[17:21:20] <cite> So you'd like to have values ordered as "12M, 8M, 3M, 765K"?
[17:21:34] <BlackNet> http://sourcefrog.net/projects/natsort/
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[17:24:06] <MasterOne> our new mailserver (postfix + policyd-weight with selective SQLgrey + spamass-milter + clamav-milter + dovecot) is online since yesterday, and it is doing an amazing job.
[17:24:56] <BlackNet> do this, put a bunch of random numbers into a text file somewhere, like 1, 1k, 1m, 1g, 5k, etc... then do a cat filename | sort -n | less and see the results :)
[17:25:06] <MasterOne> can anybody tell me, if it is possible to use SPF and DKIM for the same domain, if both entries go into the TXT dns-record?
[17:25:36] <lunaphyte> spf and dkim don't share that relationship.
[17:25:50] <MasterOne> means?
[17:26:00] <lunaphyte> means the question isn't valid.
[17:26:36] <MasterOne> how comes? the usual way would be to put both, the SPF entry, and the DKIM key into the TXT record for that domain, doesn't it?
[17:27:03] <lunaphyte> huh?  who told you that?
[17:27:23] <MasterOne> I am just reading up on both, it's just an assumption
[17:28:12] <lunaphyte> oh.  probably a better idea to just read how it's actually done, rather than trying to ask specific technical questions based on assumptions.  ;)
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[17:29:16] <lunaphyte> dkim dns data isn't stored at the domain apex, whereas spf data is.
[17:29:44] <cite> BlackNet: You probably figured that out on yourself, but why not show du output in bytes, do sort -n and then convert numbers? du -s * | sort -n | awk '{ if ($1 > 1048576) {print $1/1048576"M"} else if ($1 > 1024) {print $1/1024"K"} else print $1 }'
[17:29:45] <MasterOne> I am sorry, I really was in the opinion both need to go into the same TXT entry, I was just reading general stuff about both, and didn't take a closer look into DKIM implementation yet
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[17:30:17] <lunaphyte> no worries.  there's no overlap between them, so it's not an issue.
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[17:30:47] <MasterOne> I was a little confused, because we have to DNS providers, one is using bind 9.4 with the new SPF record, the other bind 9.3, which needs to put the SPF entry in the TXT record
[17:31:02] <MasterOne> s/to/two
[17:31:05] <lunaphyte> for the moment, both should be used when possible.
[17:33:01] <thefish> is there any way to use the postfix email verification (probe) functionality as stand alone? ie postfix --check-this-is-a-valid-email "foo at bar dot com"
[17:34:34] <cite> Not really, no.
[17:35:33] <lunaphyte> be very careful with address verification.  it is generally regarded as unbecoming.
[17:35:50] <cite> You could, however, clone smtpd in master.cf, set smtpd_delay_reject=no and smtpd_sender_restrictions=reject_unverified_sender and just talk SMTP to that smtpd to do verifying.
[17:35:57] <cite> But that's probably a very bad idea.
[17:36:10] <thefish> hehe
[17:36:29] <thefish> looks like ill end up doing some hacky python
[17:36:45] <cite> Python has the famous SMTPlib.
[17:36:57] <cite> Shouldn't be too hard.
[17:37:04] <thefish> cite: any idea if it can kill a conversation after 550?
[17:37:16] <thefish> no dont think it will be too tough
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[17:42:47] <rob0> Hacky Python's Flying Circus
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[17:48:13] <image_q> if I set up postfix on a server and point my domain name to that server (lets say yyy.com), will all emails going to @yyy.com automatically be sent to my server?
[17:48:27] <seekwill> heh
[17:48:46] <image_q> (sorry if this sounds stupid I'm REALLY new at this)
[17:48:55] <seekwill> Do you really want to host your own email?
[17:49:06] <seekwill> Google Apps is free :)
[17:49:24] <image_q> I dont want to host it, I want to use an Alias to send it to a program that will parse the email and do something
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[17:49:50] <image_q> the emails I read I forward them with godaddy forwarding
[17:49:50] <seekwill> ah
[17:49:58] <image_q> to gmail of course lol
[17:49:59] <seekwill> ew
[17:50:04] <image_q> well it works
[17:50:08] <seekwill> I guess
[17:50:19] <image_q> anyway, about my original question
[17:50:42] <image_q> will all emails (except those forwarded) be sent to my server?
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[17:50:51] <seekwill> Set up an A record for your server, like mail.yyy.com
[17:51:00] <seekwill> Then create an MX record on yyy.com that points to mail.yyy.com
[17:51:12] <seekwill> Then you'll get all the spam
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[17:51:43] <hacim> i'm running dkim-milter and interestingly, every hour I am getting this error:
[17:51:43] <hacim> Aug 26 15:02:29 mx2 postfix/cleanup[24108]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: No such file or
[17:51:47] <hacim> directory
[17:52:01] <hacim> i do not have any hourly cronjobs running
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[18:00:18] <image_q> seekwill: done
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[18:00:36] <image_q> so now all mails that are @yyy.com will go to my server?
[18:00:53] <seekwill> image_q: What's the domain name?
[18:01:23] <image_q> (its not mine to give out unfortunately but lets say its yyy.com)
[18:01:30] <seekwill> Domain names are public
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[18:02:16] <Scurz> hi
[18:02:21] <hacim> its as if postfix/cleanup is reconnecting to the socket every hour, and during that time is causing a hiccup
[18:02:32] <Scurz> I setting up a secondary mail server for domain.tld with postfix, http://pastebin.com/m4a6d9f07, here is an error coming from that secondary server when it relays mails from the domain because the primary server is down, any ideas how to fix this? (no firewall and postfix's running)
[18:02:40] <image_q> I know, but they bought it and I can't give it out without asking them or I get in trouble-daughter is a laywer dont want to mess with that
[18:02:56] <seekwill> heh
[18:03:14] <seekwill> Scurz: Do you really need a secondary mail server?
[18:03:43] <Scurz> seekwill: it is a MX backup
[18:03:48] <image_q> but I set up the A name to point to mail.yyy.com, and I set up the MX record to point the HOST IP address to the mail.yyy.com
[18:06:21] <image_q> was that right?
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[18:11:37] <seekwill> no
[18:15:12] <image_q> ok I created an A record that pointed to my ip address, then in the mx records, I set up the host to be "m" and set it to point to that A address, so in this case will m at yyy dot com send a mail to my server (I really did set the host to the name "m" btw)
[18:15:21] <Scurz> seekwill: any ideaS?
[18:15:39] <image_q> was that right?
[18:16:02] <seekwill> Scurz: I'd go without the backup MX to begin with. They are harder to maintain, collect spam, and generally don't offer much
[18:16:35] <Scurz> seekwill: and how would you do if the primary server is down ? ...
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[18:16:57] <seekwill> Get the primary server back up :) Remote servers will retry
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[18:18:53] <seekwill> Scurz: The idea of your backup MX deliverying to your primary is a bad idea. Your secondary should just deliver to the mailstore
[18:19:04] <seekwill> If your mailstore is on your primary MX, a backup MX is basically pointless
[18:19:21] <Scurz> seekwill: what ?
[18:19:25] <seekwill> What????
[18:19:49] <Scurz> first, my mails are going to the primary server, if it is down, they try the secondary server...
[18:19:55] <lunaphyte> a backup mx is basically pointless to begin with, as seekwill's said.
[18:20:18] <Scurz> seekwill: who says you the remove server will retry several times?
[18:20:23] <Scurz> s/remove/remote
[18:21:31] <seekwill> Scurz: Where is your mailstore?
[18:21:38] <seekwill> Your IMAP/POP3 stuff
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[18:21:54] <seekwill> Scurz: The RFC says :)
[18:22:24] <seekwill> Scurz: The RFC says it will retry several times. And if it doesn't, you probably wouldn't want it anyways
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[18:23:55] <seekwill> lunaphyte: They aren't pointless unless you have the infrastucture to support them. Most people in #postfix don't :)
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[18:28:11] <Scurz> seekwill: what do you mean by mailstore?
[18:29:19] <seekwill> Scurz: Once you receive an email that you want to keep, where does it go?
[18:29:27] <seekwill> /var/spool/mail/<user>
[18:29:31] <seekwill> Or some other server?
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[18:30:09] <Scurz> /var/spool/vmail
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[18:30:28] <seekwill> So yeah, no need for a backup mx
[18:30:35] <seekwill> Mail isn't going to get to the user anyways
[18:30:45] <Scurz> yes
[18:31:14] <Scurz> seekwill: MX exists, it's to be used
[18:31:18] <Scurz> :)
[18:31:27] <seekwill> Sure, but not for your use case
[18:32:58] <seekwill> See, I have clients where they have multiple edge MTAs, and separate servers that hold the mail for the user (pop3/imap). THAT is a use case for multiple MX servers, since if one goes down, the other MX's can deliver to the mailstore
[18:33:46] <Scurz> seekwill: I really understand what you mean
[18:33:53] <seekwill> Good
[18:34:01] <seekwill> Now, go make your primary server more resilient for failure
[18:34:06] <seekwill> to
[18:34:09] <seekwill> hehe
[18:34:53] <Scurz> seekwill: ahah :D
[18:35:43] <Scurz> seekwill: imagine a mails server down for 1 month, where will the mails go ? remote servers won't try for 1 month I think so
[18:35:52] <Scurz> s/mails server/mail servers
[18:35:56] <seekwill> Are you serious?
[18:36:00] <Scurz> no
[18:36:09] <seekwill> Then don't waste my time please.
[18:36:17] <Scurz> seekwill: I don't
[18:36:23] <seekwill> Then ask a serious question.
[18:36:41] <Scurz> seekwill: this is a serious question you know
[18:36:45] <seekwill> If your mail server is down for a month, you have far more serious issues
[18:36:49] <Scurz> 1 month or 15 days..
[18:37:06] <seekwill> You have all your mail in /var/spool/vmail. THAT right there is a concern
[18:37:06] <rob0> If you anticipate down time in excess of a week, find better hosting.
[18:37:15] <rob0> s/week/day/
[18:37:16] <seekwill> A week? heh
[18:37:24] <rob0> hour
[18:37:42] <Scurz> ok
[18:38:02] <rob0> He's right, this is absurd.
[18:38:33] <seekwill> If you want HA email services, you need at least three servers
[18:38:43] <seekwill> Two edge MX's and one mailstore
[18:39:02] <Scurz> ok, I take note
[18:39:07] <Scurz> I didn't know for MX
[18:39:07] <seekwill> Maybe two mailstores
[18:40:06] <Scurz> okay
[18:40:36] <seekwill> I don't know mailstores. Talk to Openwave or something
[18:40:48] <adaptr> seekwill devnulls all his mail
[18:40:58] <seekwill> No one should be emailing me!
[18:41:02] <seekwill> It's all about SMS!
[18:41:15] <lunaphyte> just malestores, right seekwill?
[18:41:20] <lunaphyte> :)
[18:41:28] <seekwill> oooh
[18:41:40] <adaptr> for your e-males ?
[18:41:55] <jelly> emales are strangely unsatisfying
[18:42:02] <lunaphyte> ggrrrrwawllll!
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[18:43:25] <killasmurf86> hello! I have quick question, how to flush postix mail queue?
[18:43:49] <lunaphyte> man postfix
[18:44:04] <Scurz> postfix flush
[18:44:26] <thumbs> postqueue -f
[18:44:35] <lunaphyte> postfix flush && postfix bidet
[18:44:48] <rob0> Depends what you're delivering
[18:45:09] <rob0> If it's crap, definitely bidet.
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[18:45:26] <killasmurf86> thanks
[18:45:50] <killasmurf86> I'm trying to configure postix as gmail relay
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[18:46:08] <killasmurf86> so far no success
[18:46:35] <thumbs> killasmurf86: why?
[18:46:51] <rob0> "as gmail relay"?
[18:46:53] <lunaphyte> gmail no likey poopoo?
[18:47:12] * seekwill flings gmail poopoo at thumbs
[18:47:13] <killasmurf86> I don't have domain, and somtimes my main, ist makred spam
[18:47:23] <killasmurf86> *mail*
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[18:47:45] <thumbs> seekwill: I hate you
[18:47:48] <rob0> If no domain, why do you need a MTA?
[18:48:02] <thumbs> killasmurf86: are you relaying local emails?
[18:48:09] <wdp> lol
[18:48:25] <rob0> thumbs: btw, I was lurking in ##slackware last night, and Pat tried to say something to you when your client joined.
[18:48:25] <killasmurf86> thumbs, depends....
[18:48:32] <thumbs> rob0: I saw.
[18:48:36] <rob0> ok
[18:48:40] <thumbs> rob0: and it was not good news either.
[18:48:49] <thumbs> killasmurf86: how can it depend, exactly?
[18:49:02] <killasmurf86> All I want to do is send mail with mutt
[18:49:18] <rob0> I figured with your client joining and parting like that, you might have missed it.
[18:49:26] <rob0> !nullclient
[18:49:27] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.
[18:49:28] <thumbs> killasmurf86: so you need a local relay. Postfix is fine.
[18:49:36] <killasmurf86> and I don't want my mail to have killasmurf86 at killasmurf86 dot homepc email adress. lol
[18:49:43] <thumbs> rob0: thanks.
[18:49:52] <thumbs> rob0: my cable drops, that's my problem
[18:49:55] <killasmurf86> thumbs: Hmmm, how?
[18:50:11] <killasmurf86> I was fallowing this howto http://bookmarks.honewatson.com/2008/04/20/postfix-gmail-smtp-relay/
[18:50:43] <thumbs> killasmurf86: if all you want is to send emails to external email addresses, set the relayhost to your ISP's IP.
[18:50:55] <rob0> Did mutt add SMTP support in mainstream, or does it still require a patch?
[18:50:56] <thumbs> killasmurf86: then emails will go through.
[18:51:18] <killasmurf86> thumbs: yes, but many mailservers threat such emails as spam
[18:51:21] <thumbs> killasmurf86: set the email client to use a FROM: header.
[18:51:23] <seekwill> Poor smurf
[18:51:31] <thumbs> killasmurf86: not really.
[18:51:57] <rob0> This smurf needs "explain how email works", not Postfix help.
[18:52:02] <thumbs> rob0: he refused my patch, essentially.
[18:52:31] <rob0> thumbs patch!
[18:52:43] <thumbs> rob0: yes, for the mod_php support in httpd
[18:52:58] <thumbs> rob0: the slackware package is configured incorrectly, as shipped.
[18:54:23] <rob0> ah
[18:54:37] <thumbs> rob0: http://www.devside.net/articles/php
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[19:02:04] <killasmurf86> thumbs: OK, you got me thinking, I checked my mutt config and it seams OK, I have *set from=...* and *set use_from=yes*, but mail is sill sent with killasmurf86 at killasmurf86 dot homepc from field
[19:02:19] <killasmurf86> mail is send with postfix
[19:02:22] <thumbs> killasmurf86: then someone is mangling the headers.
[19:02:54] <thumbs> killasmurf86: pastebin the postconf -n
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[19:03:26] <killasmurf86> thumbs: it's basic default
[19:03:34] <thumbs> killasmurf86: I don't care.
[19:04:02] <killasmurf86> http://pastebin.com/m7da94986
[19:04:26] <thumbs> !relay_host
[19:04:27] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "relay_host" is not a valid command.
[19:04:31] <thumbs> !relay
[19:04:31] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[19:04:35] <thumbs> arg.
[19:04:39] <thumbs> !relayhost
[19:04:40] <knoba> thumbs: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[19:04:48] <thumbs> killasmurf86: you're missing one.
[19:05:40] <killasmurf86> ok, I had it, i just removed it.... hold on, will tray again...
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[19:08:08] <killasmurf86> wooot, that did it, Huge thanks :D
[19:08:29] <thumbs> killasmurf86: you're very welcome
[19:09:14] <killasmurf86> If I know I was so close :D wooohooo
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[20:46:00] <seekwill> How's the spamming today?
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[20:50:23] <thumbs> seekwill: I blacklisted your IP today
[20:51:32] * seekwill 's IP is gmail...
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[20:54:23] <wdp> rofl
[20:54:25] <thumbs> even better.
[20:56:17] <seekwill> thumbs: Look at my facebook!
[20:57:38] <thumbs> ok.
[20:58:01] <thumbs> seekwill: bastard
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[21:21:24] <rob0> You must sign up for Facebook to see more than the first 3 pages of results
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[21:28:45] <svanheulen> quick question: I want my HELO response to be the same as my MX record correct?
[21:29:21] <svanheulen> also, hello
[21:29:50] <rob0> !fcrdns
[21:29:50] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[21:30:28] <rob0> Your HELO should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname.
[21:31:22] * cpm resolves rob0
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[21:32:20] <svanheulen> rob0: ok, now i tried changing $myhostname and incoming mail stopped working. should i use smtp_helo_name or should i be able to change myhostname?
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[21:34:11] <rob0> Well heck, don't ask high-level questions and expect "do this" answers.
[21:34:31] <rob0> !basic
[21:34:31] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:34:57] <svanheulen> sorry, i didn't expect a 'do this' answer, i was just hoping for some pointers in the right direction if anyone had some
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[21:35:49] <rob0> I gave you a good one. But indeed, $myhostname is the basis for other defaults. Don't rely on defaults when you need other values set!
[21:37:05] <rob0> If I would recommend changing anything (with absolutely NO knowledge of your config and needs), I would have recommended calling the ISP and changing the rDNS name.
[21:41:10] <rob0> !smtp_helo_name
[21:41:10] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_helo_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The hostname to send in the SMTP EHLO or HELO command. The default is $myhostname.
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[22:30:03] <seekwill> !yahoo
[22:30:03] <knoba> seekwill: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through. For bulk mail issues this contact is helpful: <mail-abuse-bulk at cc dot yahoo-inc.com>
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[23:13:05] <flourish> when sending email, i got a mail report that said :Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[23:13:18] <Dominian> !relay_denied
[23:13:18] <knoba> Dominian: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or (1 more message)
[23:13:20] <flourish> usually, what's happen
[23:13:36] <Dominian> !more
[23:13:36] <knoba> Dominian: virtual_*_domains).
[23:14:40] <rob0> oh, does that one just exceed the max length?
[23:14:54] <flourish> i send email to gmail.com from postfix server 1, and it has transport_maps:
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[23:15:02] <rob0> I always wondered what to do about that.
[23:15:06] <flourish> gmail.com relay:[xxx.xxx.xx.xx]
[23:15:31] <flourish> and xxx.xxx.xx.xx is another postfix server, we call server 2.
[23:15:47] <rob0> transport_maps governs outgoing transport, not accepting mail for relay. See !relay_denied for a description of the problem.
[23:15:53] <flourish> it has mynetworks=ip_address_of_1
[23:15:54] <rob0> See also:
[23:15:57] <rob0> !basic
[23:15:57] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[23:16:10] <flourish> relay_domain: domain_of_server_1
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[23:16:27] <flourish> relay_transport: relay:hostname_of_server_1
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[23:16:50] <rob0> Yikes, you're just setting a lot of stuff without knowing what it does.
[23:20:05] <seekwill> VIRTUAL DOMAINS
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[23:54:06] <pickcoder> if anyone in the USA needs a 4GB 800Mhz FBDIMM kit my auction is still @ $19.95
[23:54:21] <pickcoder> (USPS included)
[23:57:57] <seekwill> URL?
[23:58:04] <pickcoder> erm
[23:58:23] <seekwill> Hurry up before it ends!
[23:58:35] <seekwill> I'm going to miss my chance!
[23:58:37] <pickcoder> heh.. I also have a PS2 bundle on a 24-hour auction about to end
[23:59:01] <pickcoder> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260468368116&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
[23:59:26] <pickcoder> I guess you don't need the pagename param

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