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[00:04:05] <karrotx> so i just switched to barracuda for my RBL, over the past 5 minutes it caught ~95% of what spamhaus catches

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[00:07:56] <kexman> big lol

[00:08:09] <kexman> its world readable and contains a mysql username/password :)

[00:08:11] <kexman> pfff

[00:08:19] <kexman> could anyone help me secure my postfix files ? :P

[00:09:31] <KB1JWQ> kexman: What user needs to read them?

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[00:10:07] <KB1JWQ> kexman: Test it and see.  Set the file to 400 and see if it works.  If so, it's root.  If not, change ownership until you have a hit. The end.

[00:10:10] <vcs> Hi, I cant seem to set the address postfix sends from in the main.cf file. No matter what I do, it always uses the current hostname of my computer. Is there some way to change this?

[00:10:45] <vcs> I tried seeting myorging to the domain I wanted to see, but it still sends from the hostname

[00:10:48] <kexman> KB1JWQ: i dont know :P i think its postfix user no ?

[00:10:51] <kexman> how can i know ?

[00:10:57] <KB1JWQ> vcs: That's not postfix.

[00:11:05] <kexman> mail_owner = postfix

[00:11:05] <KB1JWQ> kexman: strace, or guess and check.

[00:11:14] <adaptr> vcs: postfix does not set sender addresses, the mail client does

[00:11:25] <KB1JWQ> vcs: Oh, the hostname portion?

[00:11:27] <kexman> i am using dovecot also

[00:12:09] <vcs> I want postfix to rewrite the from address, is there a way to do it? I tried setting up sendmail but it would not work

[00:13:15] <KB1JWQ> !basic

[00:13:15] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.

[00:13:23] <KB1JWQ> !rewrite

[00:13:23] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "rewrite" : Postfix Address Manipulation documentation can be found at http://www.postfix.org/rewrite.html

[00:13:29] <KB1JWQ> vcs: Go read.

[00:13:36] <vcs> ty

[00:14:29] <kexman> damn i configured this postfix quite some time ago :)

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[00:29:31] <vcs> wow that was easy

[00:29:38] <vcs> i dont miss sendmail at all :D

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[04:53:10] <standon> heh

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[05:10:05] <gpled> anyone using gentoo with postfix in production?

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[05:10:23] <thumbs> gpled: hopefully not.

[05:10:49] <gpled> thumbs: you found it to be that bad?

[05:11:04] <thumbs> gentoo should never be used in production.

[05:12:44] <rob0> haha

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[05:26:34] <hparker> lol

[05:26:44] * hparker uses gentoo everywhere

[05:28:57] <thumbs> hparker: it was meant to be somewhat humourous.

[05:29:16] <hparker> ;)

[05:30:00] <hparker> been a hectic week, hard to see humor

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[06:03:46] <SpiceMan> I'm getting "delivery failed to mailbox /home/vmail/domain.com/user: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory"

[06:04:08] <SpiceMan> do I have to create it by hand every time I add a user to the virtual mailbox ?

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[06:13:25] <SpiceMan> I meant every domain

[06:20:48] <rob0> Sounds like you might be using mbox (a GUESS, since you didn't provide information), and mbox requires exclusive file locking. 1. Why mbox? Maildir is generally better for most purposes. 2. Why does locking fail? This is an OS issue, outside the scope of Postfix.

[06:21:59] <thumbs> bloody hell, I figured out the selinux rules for postfix.

[06:22:08] <thumbs> it's a major PITA

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[08:50:26] <kexman> hi

[08:50:33] <kexman> i forgot my postfixadmin admin password :)

[08:50:38] <kexman> how can i reset it ? :D

[08:50:47] <kexman> i have access to the mysql database behind it

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[09:44:33] <SpiceMan> kexman: clear it ?

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[10:06:32] <CyberTinku> I have problem rejecting outgoing mails to certain domains, can someone help me here?

[10:08:09] <KB1JWQ> !basic

[10:08:09] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.

[10:08:10] <KB1JWQ> !cheatsheet

[10:08:11] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.

[10:08:14] <KB1JWQ> !access

[10:08:14] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.

[10:08:18] <KB1JWQ> Go read, CyberTinku

[10:08:47] <CyberTinku> i have configured  /etc/postfix/broadcast/domain_default

[10:08:58] <CyberTinku> i've mentioned @gmail REJECT

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[10:26:44] <klem> hey :)

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[11:21:59] <DarkMac> hello there

[11:22:32] <DarkMac> i have a postfix mailserver and i got a problem with only domain

[11:23:13] <DarkMac> when i send a mail to a specific domain (lets say aaaaa.xxx) the mail tell that times out while sending message body

[11:24:16] <Zerberus> DarkMac: could be a problem on remote side

[11:25:45] <DarkMac> the other side receives mails from everyone except me

[11:26:06] <DarkMac> also i can send/receive mails to/from everybody

[11:26:47] <DarkMac> i cannot send mail only to that specific domain.... but i can receive mail from it

[11:41:04] <kexman> i played with my /etc/dovecot permissions :)

[11:41:09] <kexman> and now postfix cant send mail :)

[11:41:46] <kexman> Aug 26 12:40:06 ibm postfix/pipe[22381]: 32F2E33BDD: to=<user at virtual dot domain.tld>, relay=dovecot, delay=0.05, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=5.3.5, status=bounced (local configuration error. Command output: Fatal: open(/etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf) failed: Permission denied )

[11:41:51] <kexman> how could i fix this ?

[11:42:06] <kexman> what permissions/ownership do i need on these files ? does anyone knows ? :)

[11:45:07] <Zerberus> kexman: I expect that both postfix and dovecot share a group, probably mail

[11:45:16] <kexman> Zerberus: i tryed that

[11:45:29] <Zerberus> DarkMac: did you run a tcpdump while sending to that specific MTA?

[11:45:32] <kexman> i changed ownership to root:mail

[11:45:40] <kexman> but dovecot isnt in the mail group

[11:45:53] <kexman> but it doesnt matter sincec i changed the ownership to dovecot too and still i get the same

[11:45:54] <DarkMac> Zerberus: no

[11:46:00] <kexman> ibm ~ # chown dovecot:dovecot /etc/dovecot/*

[11:47:05] <DarkMac> it seems that posftix has problem sending mails to some exchange server and i need to modify smtp_data_done_timeout, smtp_data_xfer_timeout, and smtp_data_init_timeout

[11:47:07] <DarkMac> ?

[11:47:33] <Zerberus> Keizer: care about the directory path as well, and dovecot:dovecot will not work for postfix

[11:47:56] <Zerberus> DarkMac: timeouts should not even occur

[11:48:46] <DarkMac> it does occur only for that specific domain

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[11:51:13] <cite> kexman: In master.cf, you defined a dovecot transport with a specific user/group. That user needs to be able to read /etc/dovecot/doveocot.conf.

[11:51:39] <DarkMac> Zerberus: i run a tcpdump

[11:51:44] <DarkMac> everything seems fine

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[11:54:23] <kexman> virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail

[11:54:23] <kexman> virtual_gid_maps = static:1002

[11:54:23] <kexman> virtual_uid_maps = static:1002

[11:54:30] <kexman> cite: i tought this was the bad influence :)

[11:54:40] <kexman> so its all defined in master.cf ? okay thanks alot :)

[11:54:52] <kexman>   flags=DRhu user=vmail:vmail argv=/usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}

[11:54:55] <kexman> thanks !

[11:54:56] <kexman> got it

[11:54:58] <cite> DarkMac: Could you please pastebin the beginning of an ESMTP handshake to the domain in question? (i.e. EHLO and response)?

[11:54:59] <kexman> aha !

[11:55:54] <kexman> cite: do you know how could i limit the loggyness of postfix ? :)

[11:55:55] <cite> kexman: virtual_(u|g)id_maps are only relevant if you use the Postfix virtual(8) delivery agent (and perhaps if you don't specify a transport specific user in master.cf)

[11:56:17] <kexman> probably last time i played with it needed some heavy debug info ... now i get alooooot of log in my logs just when sending ONe Single Email

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[11:56:51] <cite> kexman: Remove any "-v" parameters from services in master.cf, make sure you main.cf doesn't contain "debug_peer_list=..."

[11:56:53] <kexman> cite: so you say its not even needed in main.cf  the virtual_*u|g|*id_maps ?

[11:57:06] <cite> kexman: Not if you are using dovecot's LDA.

[11:57:55] <kexman> cite: how can i be sure of that ?

[11:58:05] <DarkMac> Zerberus: http://pastebin.com/m29735bd

[11:58:07] <kexman> that line i pasted with the flags=DRhu are from master.cf

[11:58:09] <cite> kexman: I don't understand your question.

[11:58:18] <DarkMac> that is a telnet on the domain with the problem

[11:58:35] <kexman> cite: well you said i tha the virtual_(u|g)id_maps are only relevant if you use the Postfix virtual(8) delivery agent

[11:58:46] <kexman> how do i know if im using the Postfix virtual delivery system ?

[11:59:53] <cite> kexman: Your mail log contains successful deliveries with "relay=virtual".

[12:00:12] <Zerberus> DarkMac: that capabilities listing does not help much to diagnose

[12:00:20] <cite> DarkMac: Hm, I thought you might be hitting a Cisco PIX firewall but obviously you don't.

[12:00:35] <cite> Zerberus: I wanted to see them to make sure there is not need for enabling PIX workarounds.

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[12:01:31] <kexman> it is full of relay=dovecit

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[12:01:53] <kexman> so i guess im not using the postfix virtual delivery agent

[12:02:00] <kexman> and im using dovecot delivery agent

[12:02:01] <kexman> right ?

[12:02:03] <Zerberus> cite: ah, ok :)

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[12:03:41] <DarkMac> Zerberus: that is a tcpdump if it helps

[12:03:43] <DarkMac> http://pastebin.com/m1dc40600

[12:04:46] <kexman> cite: thanks alot :)

[12:07:29] <cite> DarkMac: That's a complete mail delivery attempt to that site? Three packets only? In less than one second? Where's the timeuout?

[12:09:34] <DarkMac> http://pastebin.com/m5fcaca56

[12:09:38] <DarkMac> that is all

[12:09:44] <DarkMac> 3 lines in tcpdump

[12:09:55] <DarkMac> 1 line in mail log

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[12:11:32] <cite> DarkMac: That can't be the whole conversation. There is no SYN.

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[12:43:27] <AMI_POSTFIX> hai

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[12:44:03] <Zerberus> AMI_POSTFIX: chatting as root is not advised

[12:45:10] <AMI_POSTFIX> i configured postfix mail server with cyrus imap.... i got error like this...  "mail lmtpunix[6987]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script /var/lib/imap/sieve/t/testuser/defaultbc: No such file or directory" my user is testuser.... anyone no y is that...

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[12:46:11] <cpm> postfix != cyrus imap

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[12:46:55] <Zerberus> AMI_POSTFIX: that is a cyrus-imapd log note, not harmful, just stating that there is no sieve script

[12:48:19] <AMI_POSTFIX> ok

[12:49:03] <AMI_POSTFIX> but mymail is not deleverd to imap mail box

[12:50:31] <Zerberus> AMI_POSTFIX: obvious postfix is out of the race as the mail got to LMTP

[12:51:24] <sysmonk> and as far as sieve scripts are checked, the mail has to be in the mailbox already

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[12:53:52] * cpm checks sysmonk

[12:55:23] <cite> As in, you know, "svn checkout"?

[12:55:29] <cite> *cough*

[12:56:22] * sysmonk checkins cpm

[12:56:35] <sysmonk> cpm: you're yesterday comment wasn't fun! :)

[12:56:37] <cite> Don't fork or branch, please.

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[12:56:51] <cpm> which one?

[12:56:57] <cpm> there are so many, and few are fun

[12:56:58] <sysmonk> er, one moment

[12:57:06] <sysmonk> cpm: 08-25 22:22:26 < cpm> imagine a sysmonk with a real job? I can't.

[12:57:22] <cpm> But wouldn't it be cool?

[12:57:33] <sysmonk> i DO have a real job :P

[12:57:48] <cpm> I thought you were a pr0n spammer by trade

[12:57:50] <cpm> :)

[12:58:41] <sysmonk> hey, that's only one of my duties!

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[12:59:39] <sysmonk> i can also send viagra spam, and even phishing emails

[13:00:00] <vho> hehehehehehe

[13:00:12] <cpm> well, in a *real* job, you wouldn't have to run scams. Imagine if you will, that's what I meant.

[13:00:42] <sysmonk> oh, uh, then what do people do at their "real" jobs?

[13:00:53] <sysmonk> they don't spam, then don't do scam, then what do they do ?

[13:01:02] <cpm> No, in real jobs, they *respond* to such spams

[13:01:10] <sysmonk> ohhhh

[13:01:12] <cpm> heh

[13:01:15] <cpm> You'll see.

[13:01:18] <sysmonk> and they use pay-per-click and pay-per-mail stuff

[13:01:18] <cpm> I hope.

[13:01:19] <sysmonk> i see

[13:01:32] <sysmonk> they register a pay-per-email mailbox, and accept all the spam !

[13:01:33] <cpm> What is this gig you are trying to line up?

[13:01:55] <sysmonk> nice move, so i'll have to change a job

[13:02:11] <sysmonk> then tell my amavis boxes to forward alll spam to my pay-per-email mailbox

[13:02:25] <cpm> naw, just forward it all to rob0

[13:02:34] <sysmonk> great plan. let me write a book about how to become a milionaire by using spam! :)

[13:02:49] <sysmonk> doh, rob0 can get his own spam, i won't give him mine!

[13:02:55] <cpm> heh

[13:03:01] <sysmonk> but i could share some by using recipient_bcc_maps though

[13:03:34] <cpm> So, all that aside, how have you been?

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[13:07:52] <sysmonk> fine, i've almost finished with my house

[13:08:04] <sysmonk> atleast i have a kitchen, and a place to sleep! :)

[13:08:24] <cpm> Nice!

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[13:32:13] <fronix> Okey i have a postfix server setup, but there is one problem. I follwed this guide here -> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-9-authenticated-smtp but in this guide i created this database and some tables called virtual_aliases, domain and users (all wit th virtual_ before) But i want postfixadmin to be the main so i can create emails and domains, im just wondering how i configure that.

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[13:36:41] <[mu]keiserr> hi, when a mail is received in postfix, the attachment it in a textfile kind of file, how can i retrieve this file?

[13:38:10] <cite> fronix: Postfixadmin should include documentation on how to modify the queries for Dovecot and Postfix.

[13:38:26] <fronix> oh ill just have to find dat then

[13:38:34] <cite> fronix: If it doesn't, figuring out how to do that is not really rocket science ;-)

[13:39:02] <fronix> No i just figurid it out

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[13:46:48] <fronix> The hostname should that be the mail.domain.com or the ipadress?

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[14:01:23] <DarkMac> how do i set smtp_data_xfer_timeout to a different value then default ?

[14:02:05] <DarkMac> postconf -e smtp_data_xfer_timeout=540s doesnt modify the smtp_data_xfer_timeout variable

[14:06:07] <DarkMac> postconf -d still shows me 180s instead the new value i`ve added

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[14:07:47] <_ruben> postconf -d shows defaults .. so thats to be expected

[14:07:57] <_ruben> you want postconf -n instead

[14:08:09] <DarkMac> grr

[14:08:15] <DarkMac> thanks _ruben

[14:09:47] <DarkMac> i have problems sending mails to one domain in particulary

[14:10:06] <DarkMac> i can send mails to any domain except one

[14:10:25] <DarkMac> but that domains receives mails from anyone else except me

[14:10:43] <DarkMac> so i dont think that domain has missconfiguration problem

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[14:18:23] <Zerberus> DarkMac: did you do a full tcpdump and analyzed that? setting up default timeout values is no cure for the underlying problem

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[14:40:28] * cpm thinks someone is black or greylisted.

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[14:41:58] <kiliko> How can i rewrite unix account name to nice looking names email address ex: user002 at domain dot tld -<

[14:42:11] <kiliko> to name at domain dot tld

[14:49:39] <Zerberus> kiliko: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html

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[15:12:26] <toxygen> hello

[15:12:29] <toxygen> i would like to ask

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[15:12:53] <toxygen> can postfix prevent mailman from doing threading (e.g. stripping headers like reply-to or references)?

[15:13:53] <Dominian> postfix receives/processes the mail.. then delivers it... it doesn't care what mailman does

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[15:14:20] <Wad> hi

[15:14:46] <Wad> how can i verify adresses with VDA dovecot?

[15:15:06] <Dominian> Wad: #dovecot would be a much better place to answer that question.

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[15:18:05] <Wad> i dont think so

[15:18:20] <toxygen> Dominian: the thing is mailman threads it according to headers. those headers are correct when mail is sent. however, they arrive to mail w/o that headers

[15:18:30] <Wad> i think postfix cant check recipients via dovecot

[15:18:46] <Wad> but may be it have a hack for it

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[15:40:32] <lunaphyte> what is vda dovecot?

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[15:51:09] <Wad> virtual delivery agent

[15:51:21] <Wad> LDA for virtual domains

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[15:56:31] <InnerFIRE> hello, can someone tell me if it's possible to restrict outgoing emails to use only certain domains ?

[15:59:06] <Muhis> It is possible

[16:04:00] * doomas_work thinks "address rewriting"

[16:04:19] <doomas_work> or sender restrictions

[16:08:15] <InnerFIRE> sender restrictions ?

[16:10:53] <InnerFIRE> basically I want to prevent my hosting clients from sending as domains not hosted on my server

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[16:19:04] <fronix_> Im having problems connecting to my smtp server, whenever i write telnet localhost smtp it says Trying 127.0.0.1 connected to localhost Esacpe characters is '^]'. and then it just hangs there.

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[16:27:49] <fronix> Anyone that can help me?

[16:29:10] <Zerberus> fronix: what does the mail log say?

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[16:29:42] <fronix> alot of stuff :P

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[16:30:04] <fronix> ill paste bin the newest

[16:31:06] <fronix> http://pastebin.org/12296

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[16:33:48] <Zerberus> fronix: you may first fix your mysql lookup

[16:34:06] <fronix> Ok why so?

[16:34:43] <Zerberus> because it brings a lot of errors

[16:35:04] <fronix> can see that now

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[16:35:31] <fronix> it can't find mysql-virtual-alias.maps and it can't find view_aliases in the mailserver db :S

[16:35:38] <fronix> i tought i changed all this

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[16:37:45] <Zerberus> fronix: no, postfix uses mysql-virtual-alias.maps.cf but the mysql database mailserver has not table view_aliases

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[16:38:27] <mun24> We have configured postfix for only incoming as the front end and it relays mail to exchange server

[16:39:21] <mun24> but somehow postmaster from postfix is not able to send error reports, what setting might be wrong

[16:40:16] <Signum> mun24: your logs will hopefully tell you

[16:40:22] <Zerberus> mun24: what happens with mails from postmaster? what does the logs say?

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[16:41:11] <mun24> I tried telnet from postfix sever to exchange server and tried sending mail from pastmaster address using smtp commands it worked

[16:41:17] <mun24> what log should I see for this

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[16:41:52] <fronix> stupid smtp server isnt working still....

[16:42:16] <mun24> mail.log is for incoming mail from internet,w  which log is for internal mail

[16:42:38] <Zerberus> mun24: it is the same facility

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[16:43:00] <Zerberus> fronix: but errors disappeared after fixing mysql?

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[16:46:03] <fronix> Yes those did disappear

[16:46:13] <fronix> but there is others now =/

[16:46:21] <fronix> http://pastebin.org/12307

[16:46:49] <Zerberus> fronix: fix all issues you can read there

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[16:47:49] <ashwinmuni> i want to implement postfwd with postfix i am unable to do any guidance please i have gone through postfwd.org but its not workin

[16:48:00] <fronix> this file is missing:mysql_transport_mailman.cf, but i don't know how im suppose to create it

[16:49:07] <Zerberus> fronix: with an editor of choice

[16:49:27] <fronix> Yes ofc but i don't know the content

[16:49:32] <fronix> what should i put in there

[16:49:36] <ashwinmuni> postfwd is running perfectly what is the parameter to put in main.cf i have "check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10040" is it correct

[16:49:40] <fronix> and what is mysql_transport_mailman for?

[16:50:02] <lunaphyte> why are you making references to files in your config that you don't even know hat they are?

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[16:50:55] <InnerFIRE> reject_sender_login_mismatch does what I want

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[16:52:14] <Zerberus> ashwinmuni: if the policy daemon listens on port 10040, that is correct

[16:52:15] <fronix> because i followed this stupid guide and now im lost so i don't know what goes where

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[16:53:11] <flourish> hello, a question about relay. Can i relay mails of different domains to different addresses

[16:53:23] <ashwinmuni> Zerberus: yes it is runnig on 10040 howdo i test that all is good

[16:54:14] <Zerberus> ashwinmuni: create an SMTP communication which you think your setup should block

[16:55:08] <flourish> for domains a.com and b.com , both mx record is c.com; but for the server which has address c.com, can it relay a.com and c.com to different mail server?

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[16:58:14] <Zerberus> flourish: if those are relay domains on the MX

[16:58:24] <ashwinmuni> Zerberus: its not blocking i dont know where am i going wrong

[16:58:49] <Zerberus> ashwinmuni: does the daemon no logging?

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[17:00:07] <ashwinmuni> Zerberus: its logging into maillog but only the startup and after that nothing

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[17:02:21] <Zerberus> ashwinmuni: http://postfwd.org/doc.html has instructions for logging and verbosity

[17:07:03] <lunaphyte> !tell fronix tutorial

[17:08:00] <fronix> no shit but how am i suppose to learn then?

[17:08:17] <lunaphyte> uh, the product documentation comes to mind...

[17:08:20] <fronix> im not going to read the real manual from scratch just to learn postfix so i can do it in the sleep

[17:08:45] <fronix> Others have done it by tutorials and im also going to do it

[17:08:56] <lunaphyte> what on earth are you talking about?  product documentation is reference material, not casual reading material.

[17:09:04] <lunaphyte> !tell fronix basic

[17:09:09] <lunaphyte> !tell fronix examples

[17:09:23] <lunaphyte> tutorials are not for beginners.

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[17:13:58] <fronix> gah...

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[17:18:32] <fronix> grate now i can't even connect to the pop3 server its refusing..

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[17:25:11] <rob0> I think the thing many people expect is to find documentation of everything you might possibly need to know, from shell basics to DNS MX RRs and more, in a single easy-to-follow HOWTO. And I doubt that's possible.

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[17:26:38] <fronix> I don't think thats possible either

[17:27:12] <fronix> this aint the first project im doing so im not going to quit untill its working

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[17:30:44] <fronix> Please correct me if im wrong, but the mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf is for the emails thats suppose to send the email to someone else from that email right?

[17:31:20] <fronix> for example i send a mail to this at dot dot com and that at dot dot com will recive the mail because its forwarded to him

[17:32:29] <lunaphyte> mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf is just a file name.

[17:33:02] <fronix> woah! is it?! i thought it was a free trip to china...

[17:34:12] <lunaphyte> hmm.  so you're mocking me, because i don't have a crystal ball?  odd way to get help, it would seem to me.

[17:35:09] <fronix> No im not but if you dont have better awnser than "mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf is just a file name" then its best you don't awnser at all

[17:35:37] <fronix> I mean im stupid when it comes to postfix but dude i do know what a file is

[17:35:45] <adaptr> fronix: your chances of getting any help at all are diminishing by the second

[17:35:55] <adaptr> and we're not your "dudes"

[17:36:08] <adaptr> change the attitud epronto

[17:36:27] <rob0> Indeed, that sucks.

[17:36:30] <fronix> I know but its so irritating when ive spent 2 days trying to learn something and when i finaly try to get some awnsers all i get is that its a file name...

[17:36:37] <adaptr> WE DON'T GIVE A CRAP

[17:36:39] <lunaphyte> if you know what a file is, then the only logical conclusion one could come to is that you think filenames are hardcoded in postfix?

[17:36:45] <adaptr> respect people trying to help you

[17:36:49] <adaptr> or fuck off

[17:36:59] <rob0> WTF is your config using that stupid file for, idiot?

[17:37:02] <lunaphyte> fronix: that was a clue, dude - not an answer.

[17:37:22] <lunaphyte> we don't spoon feed here, we help people learn.

[17:37:34] <fronix> Well i asked a prettey easy question

[17:37:46] <adaptr> you blabbered

[17:37:52] <adaptr> and then you insulted

[17:37:57] <adaptr> and now you prevaricate

[17:38:16] <fronix> hmm

[17:38:16] <lunaphyte> since you're the one asking for help, you're not in a position to pass judgment on what is or isn't an easy question.

[17:38:22] <lunaphyte> !tell fronix mysql

[17:38:24] <adaptr> it's a common pattern actually, on IRC, but we don't like it

[17:39:27] <pingouin> fronix: i'll be you, i'll get the funk out ;) have a cold drink, smoke a beer, find a girl to make out with, and come back later here ;)

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[17:40:11] <fronix> Ill just google instead, atleast google gives awnsers.

[17:40:25] <pingouin> you keep on the wrong way ;)

[17:40:38] <rob0> And it doesn't care how rude and nasty and stupid you might be. We do.

[17:41:15] <lunaphyte> yeah.  whatever you do, definitely don't look at any of the links on the postfix web site that discuss basically everything you've been bitching about for the last hour.

[17:42:26] * rob0 tries to google "mysql_virtual_domains_maps.cf"

[17:42:32] <rob0> oh, also:

[17:42:35] <rob0> !google

[17:42:35] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.

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[17:42:43] <fronix> Well thats exactly what im going to do, but the reason im asking you guys here is because i maybe wanted a more explained awnser. On the website its just this is that and that is this and so on

[17:43:42] <adaptr> yes, the documentation more or less requires you know the subject matter - what a shocker

[17:43:42] <rob0> !welcome

[17:43:45] <knoba> rob0: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.

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[17:44:13] <rob0> lunaphyte: !welcome is a good one, thanks. :)

[17:45:42] <lunaphyte> yw.  i usually get chastised for being too harsh.  somehow, i had a momentary lapse and that friendly nugget slipped out. :)

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[17:46:40] <aixenv> hey guys is it possible to limit the amount of emails sent OUT per day?

[17:46:59] <lunaphyte> sounds like a job for a policy daemon

[17:47:08] <aixenv> i am pretty sure i could do some rate limiting with iptables, but was wondering if i can set an N per day limit on emails sent per user

[17:47:30] <will_> What are you trying to do?

[17:48:29] <aixenv> have had a person get owned and then sends out 1000s of spam, obviously there's other factors related to this ownage, but was just wondering if there was some way to rate limit/ all accts so teh 1000s of outgoing msgs wasnt possible to start with

[17:49:17] <adaptr> postfix has extensive rate controls

[17:49:48] <will_> A policy of x messages /hour/day/user is a little better than limiting your entire server

[17:49:55] <adaptr> but you should realize that anything you impose to limit spam flooding will limit normal mail exactly the same way

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[17:50:12] <aixenv> adaptr: yes sir i realize that, just more so curious if it's feasible

[17:50:19] <adaptr> it's quite configurable

[17:50:21] <aixenv> will_: yes that'd be fine as well

[17:50:27] <rob0> Several policy daemons are able to do throttling.

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[17:50:55] <adaptr> rob0: erm.. aren't the smtp_'s able to rate limit themselves ?

[17:51:22] <Hans67521> is there a way to change the order of a mail passes thru postfix?

[17:51:47] <rob0> Also a good idea to subject your users' submission to content filtering (virus scan.)

[17:51:55] <Hans67521> i want header_checks to happen later on

[17:52:11] <adaptr> Hans67521: urh

[17:52:26] <will_> rob0: Scan everything! I PBL my own users! rawr

[17:52:39] <rob0> adaptr, the policy daemons keep state on how much any individual AUTH user submits in a time frame.

[17:53:09] <rpm> when postfix is looking at an 'access' table, on the first successful match it returns from looking for more matches if i use the OK return condition correct?

[17:53:10] <adaptr> ah, yes of course, but postfix could keep track of recipient IP/domain for outgoing

[17:53:27] <adaptr> rpm: OK returns immediately

[17:53:53] <rob0> from that stage only!

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[17:54:41] <adaptr> erm.. yes, from that map

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[17:56:04] <flourish> Zerberus: if those are relay domains on the MX ? what do you mean by this?

[17:56:14] <aixenv> ok guys tyvm ill look into these policy daemons you mentioned, much appreciated

[17:56:17] <rpm> adaptr: thanks

[17:58:23] <Zerberus> flourish: DNS says that the host is MX for a domain, the MTA itself knows that he shall relay the domain to a different MTA

[17:58:39] <lunaphyte> i thought the mta was a she.

[17:58:56] <flourish> for domains a.com and b.com , both mx record is c.com; but for the server which has address c.com, can it relay a.com and c.com to different mail server?

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[17:59:10] <flourish> Zerberus: yes, the c.com is the MX of a.com and b.com

[17:59:36] <flourish> for domains a.com and b.com , both mx record is c.com; but for the server which has address c.com, can it relay a.com and b.com to different mail server?

[18:00:05] <Zerberus> flourish: I said so

[18:00:39] <flourish> Zerberus: but i don't know howto relay different domain to different server

[18:01:12] <flourish> Zerberus: for this moment in main.cf relay_transport=relay:xx.xxx

[18:01:14] <rob0> lunaphyte, to be specific, a MTA is both male and female. (Don't ask how I know.)

[18:01:56] <lunaphyte> a hermaphrodite?!

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[18:02:22] <adaptr> a herMTAphrodite

[18:02:37] <lunaphyte> or you mean androgynous?

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[18:05:52] <rob0> Well, it's male in some respects, and female in others ...

[18:06:12] <lunaphyte> sounds messy, tbh.

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[18:23:38] <rpm> i've got a check_recipient_access map setup using pcre expressions to match, i only want it to run the filter on external mail.. i think one of the problems i'm running into is because the internal e-mail address and external e-mail address are both specified in the To: recipients

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[18:26:11] <rob0> check_recipient_access checks "RCPT TO:", not headers.

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[18:27:52] <rpm> rob0, ok - i worded that wrong... both recipients are specified in the rcpt to:

[18:32:14] <lunaphyte> what problem is your check_recipient_access map intended to solve?

[18:33:46] <rob0> And, what is it that you see happening but didn't expect? We'd need a lot more information to give you a useful answer. See /topic.

[18:33:50] <rpm> to convert tiff images to pdf documents for external recipients, and leave the e-mail intact with the image as a tiff attachment for local delivery.

[18:34:24] <rpm> my mail filter already works, it always converts the tiff image to a pdf, even when delivering locally.

[18:35:30] <rpm> which is not what i want, i want it to leave the e-mail untouched if its delivering to my local domains.

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[18:38:41] <rpm> http://pastebin.com/d60e5a2c4 is the postconf output, the master.cf filter and the check_recipient_access map.

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[18:40:20] <rob0> /^(?!shiftmail\.net$)(.*)/     FILTER    filter:dummy

[18:40:21] <adaptr> what you're doing is actually the opposite - you strip the PDF if it's for internal delivery

[18:40:28] <adaptr> it's always attached

[18:40:33] <rob0> /^(?!shiftmail\.net$)(.*)/     FILTER    filter:dummy

[18:40:47] <rob0> and this is not matching @shiftmail.net recipients?

[18:41:35] <rob0> I think the expression is wrong, still trying to understand it.

[18:41:39] <rpm> the pdf is never attached, my filter strips the tiff image out, converts it to a pdf and re-injects it into the e-mail.

[18:42:30] <adaptr> then the name of the filter is very badly chosen

[18:42:56] <rpm> it is not matching @shiftmail.net recipients, but some how it is still removing the tiff image and attaching a pdf in-place.

[18:43:43] <rob0> I think I would not use pcre for this. Matching a domain is pretty simple in hash: maps.

[18:43:58] <adaptr> domain.com

[18:44:01] <rob0> $)(.*)

[18:44:03] <adaptr> period

[18:44:10] <rob0> wtf is that, I'm confused!

[18:44:38] <rob0> $=end of line, (.*) zero or more characters after it?

[18:44:43] <adaptr> ah but he wants to NOT match it, so add another line

[18:44:49] <adaptr> or use a regex :)

[18:48:01] <jelly> rob0: (?! stuff ) is an... er, negative lookahead

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[18:49:05] <jelly> so afaict it ought to match full strings not ending in shiftmail.net, but I'm not sure if it's correct or not

[18:49:36] <adaptr> it's doubtful postfix goes that far, as it doesn't use the result of the regex

[18:49:49] <jelly> however I would put that

[18:49:54] <rob0> If you want to negate an expression, the "!" comes before the first "/"

[18:49:56] <jelly> $ after (.*), too

[18:50:19] <rob0> Anyway, this would be simple (and perform better) in hash:.

[18:50:25] <jelly> oh, there are negations?

[18:50:47] * cpm imagines !rob0

[18:51:01] <jelly> it would have a goatee

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[18:51:50] <rpm> i'll switch it out to a hash and see if it fixes my problem.

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[18:53:19] <flourish> hello, urgent question about relay. How can i use the same postfix server to relay mails send to different domains by different ip address

[18:53:57] <adaptr> different source IPs ?

[18:54:05] <flourish> both a.com and b.com's MX record is the ip address of server C, and C is allow to relay mails for domain a.com and b.com

[18:54:24] <adaptr> it shoudln't be

[18:54:32] <adaptr> it should be the host name of the C MX

[18:54:36] * cpm shouldn't adaptr

[18:54:42] <adaptr> or you have to swap out IPs whenever you make changes

[18:54:50] <flourish> before mails of a.com and b.com are in the same server, but now i want to put them on different server,

[18:54:59] <adaptr> "mails of" ?

[18:55:42] <flourish> adaptr: maybe mails for domain a.com and domain b.com :-) are in the same server before

[18:56:12] <adaptr> it still makes no sense, however you jumble the same words around

[18:56:17] <rob0> /^(?!shiftmail\.net$)(.*)/ ... ^ beginning of line, "(" marks a token, "?!" does something, and then "shiftmail\.net$"

[18:56:38] <adaptr> try it again, this time making approrpiate use of the terms "sender address", "recipient address", and "mail relay"

[18:56:41] <rpm> ?! negates the match for shiftmail.net, it's basically a not operator.

[18:57:08] <rob0> ah, so you should have used the negation as described in pcre_table(5)

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[18:58:32] <rpm> ok, i've changed it to: !/shiftmail.net/               FILTER    filter:dummy

[18:59:02] <dfinn> when you enable smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks does smtpd still allow the smtp connection from outside clients but then deny the email later on during the headers being submitted?

[18:59:11] <adaptr> rob0: and still the (.*) at the end...

[18:59:13] <flourish> well, the situation before is: both domains a.com and b.com have MX record to c.com, and the server, with hostname c.com, have relay_domains, and its content is a.com and b.com

[18:59:35] <adaptr> flourish: and...?

[18:59:40] <rob0> um, ... /\ at shiftmail\ dot net$/ ... but I still would do hash: and:

[18:59:45] <flourish> server c.com also has relay_transport: relay:a.com

[18:59:56] <adaptr> flourish: you're getting vaguer, not cleaer

[18:59:59] <rob0> shiftmail.net   filter virtual:

[19:00:05] <flourish> btw, a.com and b.com is direct to a same ip address

[19:00:07] <adaptr> flourish: what is your question, really

[19:00:10] <rob0> or whatever the transport should be

[19:00:41] <adaptr> flourish: [2009-08-26 18:57] <adaptr> try it again, this time making approrpiate use of the terms "sender address", "recipient address", and "mail relay"

[19:00:45] <rob0> it breaks when an inside user sends to shiftmail.net and external addresses in the same mail.

[19:01:14] <adaptr> s/breaks/exhibits unexpected behaviour/

[19:01:18] <flourish> adaptr: hum, howto a relay server to relay mails of different domains by different address

[19:01:20] <rob0> "smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks" is meaningless.

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[19:01:28] <rpm> hmm, i think that worked.

[19:01:30] <adaptr> flourish: I have no idea what you mean by that

[19:01:37] <flourish> adaptr: seems cannot describe clearly

[19:01:41] <adaptr> it seems so

[19:01:41] <rpm> time to send a fax and test

[19:01:43] <adaptr> !basic

[19:01:43] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.

[19:01:45] <rob0> !transport_maps

[19:01:46] <knoba> rob0: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.

[19:02:11] <flourish> not transport_maps, maybe relay_transport

[19:02:19] <flourish> but i don't know howto

[19:02:25] <rob0> well heck, I don't know either.

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[19:02:51] <yaaar> howdy

[19:03:13] <flourish> oh, my bad english, i cannot describe question clearly:-(

[19:03:26] <adaptr> flourish: give examples

[19:03:34] <flourish> adaptr: ok

[19:03:36] <adaptr> paste logs exhibiting issues

[19:03:39] <adaptr> paste configs

[19:03:42] <adaptr> read /topic

[19:03:56] <rob0> and munging domains when talking about mail routing is VERY bad.

[19:03:58] <rpm> nope that didn't work, it still converted it to pdf.

[19:04:11] <adaptr> s/bad/stupid/

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[19:04:22] <adaptr> s/stupid/not conducive to problem-solving/

[19:04:35] <yaaar> i've got postfix with ispconfig as a frontend, and a bunch of spammers are hitting my server a ton right now. all the mail is getting rejected, but it's DOSing mysql; my webapps all break with 'too many connections' errors b/c postfix has to lookup the addresses before it rejects the mail

[19:04:36] * adaptr : correcting rob0 since 2008

[19:04:51] <lunaphyte> !frontend

[19:04:52] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "frontend" is not a valid command.

[19:05:04] <adaptr> yaaar: as I already said, use a proxy map

[19:05:06] <lunaphyte> hmm, i thought i fed knoba something about that.

[19:05:10] * rob0 stands correctified (while sitting in a chair)

[19:05:12] <adaptr> !ispconfig

[19:05:12] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "ispconfig" is not a valid command.

[19:05:13] <yaaar> anybody know a good way to mitigate such problems? maybe limit the number of db connections postfix can make?

[19:05:20] <adaptr> yes

[19:05:32] <yaaar> adaptr: and as i said, i don't follow you...could you clarify what you mean?

[19:05:36] <adaptr> although it makes ONE connection, normally speaking

[19:05:48] <rob0> Such is the risk of SQL maps ...

[19:05:53] <adaptr> yaaar: it's a standard postfix feature, why is it unclear ?

[19:06:14] <flourish> i have two domains (domain A & B) and one mail server (server 1) running postfix.  And another mail server (server 2, not owned by me, but allow relay mail to my server 1). Before, i make MX record of domain A and B to server 2, then when sending mail to user at domain A or B, it will first send to server 2 and then relay to server 1

[19:06:20] <adaptr> yaaar: buy bigger mysql hardware, then, or run a memory table, or, I dunno - don't use mysql ?

[19:06:20] <lunaphyte> yaaar: you're expected to use the internet for initial clarification on new concepts, not treat the people helping you here as encyclopedias.

[19:06:27] <yaaar> my apologies. I guess i'm not intimately familiar with every standard postfix feature

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[19:06:52] <flourish> for relay mail from server 2 to server 1, i use relay_transport=relay:ip_of_server_1

[19:07:02] <rob0> Oh my, we're getting ... intimate ... now?

[19:07:14] <adaptr> you can't have my pony!

[19:07:20] <adaptr> take the house

[19:07:29] <yaaar> lunaphyte: i wasn't asking for a definition or some full dissertation on the subject. but maybe a short one-liner about how a proxy map matters in this instance would have been great

[19:07:54] <adaptr> is that THREE a's ? really ?

[19:08:15] <flourish> ?

[19:08:26] <rpm> i see the problem, it's my filter - after the filter runs it runs sendmail -G -i and sends the "converted" message to both recipients... i should actually be piping to the STDOUT filehandle so the filter can deliver it itself.

[19:08:48] <adaptr> flourish: still not enough words

[19:08:56] <adaptr> use more words, in fuller sentences

[19:09:08] <lunaphyte> yaaar: uh.. ok, how about this:  using a proxy map can help mitigate "too many connections" errors, and "limit the number of db connections postfix" makes.

[19:09:13] <rob0> !relay_transport

[19:09:14] <knoba> rob0: "relay_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport and next-hop information for domains that match the $relay_domains parameter value. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.

[19:09:52] <lunaphyte> !lunch

[19:09:53] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "lunch" is not a valid command.

[19:09:59] <lunaphyte> man, this bot is STUPID!

[19:10:20] <flourish> adaptr: ok

[19:10:30] <lunaphyte> learn lunch as get your own lunch, jackass.

[19:10:37] <lunaphyte> oops

[19:10:38] <rob0> yaaar, I would suggest putting domain class lookups in hash: maps for better performance and safety.

[19:10:39] <lunaphyte> !learn lunch as get your own lunch, jackass.

[19:11:07] <rob0> If that's not possible, throw more hardware at the problem.

[19:11:28] <flourish> adaptr: maybe wait for a long time:-) what's the time and when will you go to bed?

[19:11:58] <adaptr> flourish: you keep starting off okay, and then ramble away on a tangent that I can't follow - slow down

[19:12:19] <lunaphyte> and if that's not possible, wait in the woods in ambush until an innocent deer or caribou comes across your path, and then mercilessly gut it and smear the warm blood on your existing hardware.

[19:12:22] <adaptr> flourish: so far I have: you have a postfix mail server, that serves as the primary MX for two domains. okay.

[19:12:35] <adaptr> your turn

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[19:13:33] <yaaar> flourish/rob0; thanks, I'm at least dimly getting an idea of what this is for between you guys and the man page. I appreciate you guys not treating me like an idiot or a child for not immediately understanding the import of a particular buzzword. i'll go see if i can shoehorn one of these maps into the ispconfig setup

[19:13:43] <rpm> so basically, when you run the postfix "pipe" command, it expects STDIN to be supplied back to it to re-inject to the queue... correct?

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[19:14:30] <adaptr> !pipe

[19:14:30] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "pipe" is not a valid command.

[19:14:36] <adaptr> snot a command :)

[19:14:37] <lunaphyte> !hookah

[19:14:37] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "hookah" is not a valid command.

[19:14:42] <adaptr> !bong

[19:14:42] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "bong" is not a valid command.

[19:14:49] <adaptr> rat

[19:14:52] <adaptr> drat!

[19:14:55] <rpm> pipe(8)

[19:14:58] <lunaphyte> !tard

[19:14:58] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "tard" is not a valid command.

[19:16:09] <rob0> Well, for my part, I don't like bad attitudes from people asking for help, especially when they have not read the /topic. High-level abstract questions can't get detailed "do this" answers. Get your emotions under control, and understand that people who are helping you for free are not going to always meet your wishes for how you'd like to be treated.

[19:18:35] <rpm> who wants to be the hero of the day?

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[19:19:23] <flourish> adaptr: yes

[19:19:40] <rob0> I don't believe there is any automatic reinject after pipe(8). You have to do that yourself.

[19:19:53] <flourish> and the server then relay the mail to another mail server

[19:19:58] <adaptr> there isn't, no - it's simply the easiest way to move mail to STDOUT

[19:20:28] <adaptr> flourish: since the server is the primary MX for those two domains, no, it will not

[19:20:46] <adaptr> unless you have those domains set explicitly in relay_domains

[19:22:43] <rpm> so i should be reinjecting the message with sendmail?

[19:23:58] <adaptr> that's one way

[19:24:40] <rpm> is there a better approach?

[19:25:03] <flourish> adaptr: but actually, it works for a long time.

[19:25:16] <adaptr> not saying that, but most filters have smtp capabilities and re-insert it themselves

[19:25:28] <adaptr> e.g. amavisd

[19:26:12] <adaptr> flourish: what am I supposed to do with that ?

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[19:31:24] <rob0> I don't know what's the best approach. I don't see the Big Picture. I guess you're doing some kind of fax-to-email thing. I don't even know why it's a problem that users @shiftmail.net are getting tiff-to-pdf faxes.

[19:31:30] <flourish> before mail for the two domains are served in same server(we call it server 1). And the server(we call it 2) for primary MX record, relay the mail by switch: relay_transport=relay:ip_address_of_server_1; but now, mail for the two domain will be seperate into server 1 and another server, we call it 3. That is i want to relay mail for domain A to server 1 and mail for domain B to server 3

[19:31:49] <rob0> FWIW, I've never seen fit to implement a pipe(8) solution at all.

[19:31:58] <pickcoder> pipes rock

[19:33:45] <adaptr> rob0: I have! w00t me :)

[19:34:08] <adaptr> for funneling mail into a script that massages them into a messaging service format

[19:34:18] <adaptr> it does indeed leave the mail system forever

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[19:35:09] <pickcoder> I use a pipe solution to drop mail into a PS convertor, which sends it to a processing queue.

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[19:39:13] <rpm> adaptr: it doesn't leave mail in my system forever, as long as you clean up the temporary files.

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[19:39:58] <adaptr> whut ?

[19:40:29] <pickcoder> rpm: the point there was that the pipe solution removed the mail from the mail system

[19:40:34] <KB1JWQ> Good morning, ladies. :-p

[19:40:35] <pickcoder> it did not reinject it

[19:41:22] <rpm> yeah, it'd be nice if pipe would wait for the reformatted message

[19:41:33] <pickcoder> huh?

[19:41:43] <will_> KB1JWQ: Good morning, spammer

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[19:42:33] <pickcoder> pipe is a delivery agent

[19:42:35] <rob0> Good morning, Captain, won't you come on out to play? Wake up the sunshine, and share this friendly day.

[19:42:50] <pickcoder> why would it need to accept anything back?

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[19:45:25] <pickcoder> rpm: if you want to modify the contents of the envelope then you should be looking at a filter configuration

[19:47:54] <rpm> filter configuration?

[19:49:04] <pickcoder> !filter

[19:49:04] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "filter" is not a valid command.

[19:49:11] <pickcoder> of course it's not

[19:49:15] <pickcoder> !milter

[19:49:16] <knoba> pickcoder: "milter" : Postfix support for Sendmail milters: http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html

[19:49:21] <pickcoder> meh

[19:50:07] <pickcoder> rpm: what are you wanting to change?

[19:50:42] <rpm> pickcoder: convert tiff images to pdf's for delivery to external domains only.

[19:51:16] <pickcoder> so  this is pre-queue filter for outgoing mail

[19:51:27] <rpm> yeah.

[19:51:38] <pickcoder> why can't it be done by the mailer?

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[19:52:19] <rpm> initally i didn't think the mailer could do it without piping the message out of the queue to an external script.

[19:52:46] <pickcoder> rpm: are you not generating the TIFF e-mails?

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[19:53:44] <rpm> my fax server is delivering the faxes as tiff attachments, on postfix side i am converting it to pdf.

[19:54:02] <pickcoder> if it's running Hylafax then you can tell it to send PDF

[19:54:08] <UQlev> rpm: what kind of fax server?

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[19:54:16] <rpm> pickcoder: unfortunatley not.

[19:54:45] <UQlev> hylafax can code received in to ps, tiff or pdf

[19:54:47] <rpm> UQlev: broadworks fax overlay

[19:54:53] <Laibsch> Hi, I have a catch-all domain for my private mail.  I'd like to bounce just a select few addresses. I wonder how I could do that?

[19:55:02] <rob0> !catchall

[19:55:02] <knoba> rob0: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.

[19:55:13] <rob0> Catchalls suck.

[19:55:20] <Laibsch> rob0: thanks, I'll take a look

[19:55:22] <rob0> !check_recipient_access

[19:55:22] <knoba> rob0: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.

[19:55:28] <rob0> !access

[19:55:28] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.

[19:55:52] <Laibsch> rob0: I disagree.  It's very handy for tracking addresse use and abuse.

[19:56:21] * cpm abuses rob0

[19:57:07] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter

[19:57:07] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.

[19:57:26] <rob0> Laibsch: ^^ a much better means of doing that, without the pain of a catchall.

[19:58:12] <pickcoder> rpm: http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html

[19:58:23] <pickcoder> you will have to use altermime to change the mime attachments

[19:58:55] <pickcoder> rpm: the other option is to see if there is a fax-send/fax-recv command line intervention you can use to change the file format

[19:59:24] <Laibsch> rob0: I don't think it will make any difference in my case.  Please be aware that $mydomain.com is not a catchall.  $sub.$mydomain.com is.

[19:59:52] <Laibsch> At least I don't see the difference

[20:00:44] <Laibsch> Basically, my question would then just turn to how do I bounce "$addcount+$badextension at $mydomain dot com".

[20:00:56] <Laibsch> s/addcount/account/

[20:01:01] <rob0> And the answer is the same.

[20:01:10] <Laibsch> hm, I bet ;-)

[20:01:16] <Laibsch> I just haven't quite found it yet

[20:01:24] <rob0> I posted it for you.

[20:01:32] <Laibsch> Yes, I'm already reading

[20:01:51] <Laibsch> But this stuff is quite difficult if you don't touch it everyday

[20:02:35] <pickcoder> Laibsch: so hang out in here and learn

[20:03:34] <Laibsch> OK

[20:03:49] <Laibsch> But I don't really want to touch my mail settings every day ;-)

[20:03:59] <Laibsch> I'm quite happy that postfix runs so rock-stable

[20:04:21] <Laibsch> It's only when I want to change something that I have to think about it

[20:05:12] <pickcoder> I rarely touch mine, but that doesn't mean I can't learn something that benefits my existing setup

[20:05:37] <Laibsch> Hehe

[20:05:50] <Laibsch> looks like I already did that in the past

[20:05:55] <Laibsch> And just forgot about it

[20:05:55] <adaptr> ("what ? you're saying postfix can BLCOK SPAM? Neato! ")

[20:06:16] <pickcoder> yeah all by itself

[20:06:22] <Laibsch>  /etc/postfix/recipient_checks already exists and has some of those entries already

[20:06:26] <Laibsch> I'll add the new ones

[20:06:54] <pickcoder> if the Postfix fairies like you they will spinkle anti-SPAM dust on your server

[20:07:01] <Laibsch> adaptr: are you familiar with the concepts of how spam can be blocked?

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[20:07:16] <Laibsch> pickcoder: like me?

[20:07:18] <adaptr> Laibsch: I reject all concepts!

[20:07:33] <pickcoder> Laibsch: anyone running a Postfix server should have _some_ kind of UCE/Anti-spam knowledge

[20:07:38] <Laibsch> pickcoder: postfix is already rejecting spam quite nicely for me

[20:07:53] <Laibsch> That is the main reason I ever went to the trouble of setting up my own mail server

[20:08:08] <Laibsch> for better control to really reject spam instead of filtering ex-post

[20:08:42] <pickcoder> spamhaus data feed ftw

[20:08:53] <pickcoder> which we have to renew next month

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[20:11:36] <karrotx> i just implemented b.barracuda.org and in the past 12 hours it's caught consistently 95% of what spamhaus catches

[20:11:53] <karrotx> by using barracuda primarily i was able to continue using spamhaus as we'll fly under the radar

[20:12:16] <rob0> Great!

[20:12:50] <karrotx> the scary thing is there were 680,000+ rejections in 12 hours :0

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[20:13:18] <rob0> But, big organizations save a lot of money by using spamhaus, and morally, it would be better to contribute some of it toward the Cause.

[20:14:00] * adaptr contributes to the Effect

[20:14:06] <adaptr> it's easier :)

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[20:14:44] <karika200> hi

[20:16:32] <karika200> I set up an authenticated postfix with sasl2, but I can send mail without authenticating:\

[20:16:43] <karika200> if I connect to it with telnet, I got this:

[20:16:43] <karika200> http://pastebin.com/d7f68d95

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[20:16:59] <karika200> Where should I search the problem?:\

[20:17:02] <adaptr> send mail from where

[20:17:41] <karika200> what do u mean?

[20:18:10] <karika200> The server machine si in the same LAN as my desktop machine

[20:18:11] <adaptr> from where can you send it unauthenticated

[20:18:20] <karika200> from the lan

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[20:18:45] <karika200> hmm, where can I set to need auth from everybody?

[20:19:02] <adaptr> and you want to force all clients to authenticate ?

[20:19:04] <lunaphyte> you don't want to do that.

[20:19:18] <adaptr> remove permit_mynetworks

[20:19:30] <karika200> lunaphyte, why?:$

[20:19:33] <karika200> adaptr, thx

[20:19:42] <adaptr> but yeah, it's a bad idea - learn about submission

[20:19:48] <lunaphyte> you'd have to pass out credentials to anyone who wanted to send you mail.

[20:19:49] <karika200> ahh

[20:20:01] * cpm forces adaptr to submit

[20:20:05] <karika200> so, which IPs is in the mynetworks variable, they don't have to auth?

[20:20:06] <adaptr> lunaphyte: not if he simply removed permit_mynetworks

[20:20:10] <cpm> !submission

[20:20:10] <knoba> cpm: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409.

[20:20:40] <lunaphyte> adaptr: i meant in an abstract sense, as he was asking the question.

[20:20:58] <adaptr> he wasn't asking an abstract question

[20:21:12] <cpm> Read This (needs to be added to knoba !submission) http://www.maawg.org/port25

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[20:22:24] <rob0> !forget submission

[20:22:26] <lunaphyte> "hmm, where can I set to need auth from everybody?" seems pretty abstract to me.

[20:23:02] <cpm> !learn submission as Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/port25

[20:23:04] <karika200> hmm

[20:23:14] <cpm> !submission

[20:23:14] <knoba> cpm: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/port25

[20:23:27] * cpm thanks rob0

[20:23:29] <rob0> "!learn submission as Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf and http://www.maawg.org/port25 . See also !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409."

[20:23:41] <karika200> so...

[20:23:45] <cpm> doh!

[20:23:51] * cpm slaps rob0

[20:23:56] <rob0> yours is good enough, but I was working on that when you did it :)

[20:24:16] <karika200> if I want to run an smtpd, which I can use from everywhere with auth...

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[20:24:33] <karika200> but now, it isn1t asking for user/pass...

[20:24:45] <karika200> and I can't reach it from outside, because mynetworks are set

[20:24:59] <lunaphyte> !tell karika200 welcome

[20:25:00] <rob0> huh?

[20:25:08] <rob0> !mynetworks

[20:25:09] <knoba> rob0: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.

[20:25:39] <karika200> so I must unset this parameter?

[20:25:53] <rob0> mynetworks has nothing to do with connecting from "inside" or not. See !welcome

[20:27:00] <karika200> but now... I can't understand... Why not ask the server for aut?:)

[20:27:06] <karika200> +h

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[20:39:24] <karika200> byez

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[20:43:31] <lunaphyte> whoa.  that is freaky.

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[20:44:40] <rob0> Where do all these people come from, who think that questions lacking context and information should get real answers?

[20:44:51] <rob0> I'm getting fed up with them.

[20:44:59] <lunaphyte> and how did he send a message after he left?

[20:45:41] <rob0> /part Ping timeout

[20:46:54] <lunaphyte> 18.39 - karika200 left the chat room. ("Ping timeout")

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[20:47:06] <lunaphyte> 18.39 - karika200: byez

[20:47:20] <lunaphyte> maybe it's just my client getting backwards, but i've never seen that before.

[20:47:44] <rob0> I saw the byez before the /quit.

[20:47:52] <lunaphyte> must be me.

[20:48:16] <rob0> weird

[20:48:29] <pickcoder> that homemade stuff can be dangerous

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[20:57:33] <electro_> My server is accepting mail from an account that doesnt exist on the mailserver and its dropping into the queue.  How do I prevent receiving mail for this address?

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[20:57:52] <karrotx> from an account? uh...

[20:58:01] <electro_> for an account

[20:58:02] <electro_> sorry

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[20:58:49] <electro_> but for all others it denies them

[20:58:53] <electro_> its not in /etc/aliases

[20:58:59] <electro_> and there is no useraccount called this

[20:59:02] <will_> /topic

[21:00:44] <rob0> !welcome

[21:00:44] <knoba> rob0: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.

[21:01:17] <rob0> Generally there is no checking of the sender address.

[21:02:26] * cpm checks rob0's address

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[21:02:50] <cpm> there is commonly checking for existence of sender domain

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[21:04:36] <rob0> Well yeah, but I hate to further confuse someone who already seems confused. :)

[21:04:47] <electro_> postfix/smtpd[11771]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[123.24.183.154]: 550 5.1.1 <garridodd at ttracker dot com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<demur at coffeealicante dot com> to=<garridodd at ttracker dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<localhost>

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[21:05:21] <KB1JWQ> electro_: Postconf -n output is where?

[21:05:27] <KB1JWQ> !welcome | electro_

[21:05:27] <knoba> KB1JWQ: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command.

[21:05:31] <KB1JWQ> !welcome

[21:05:32] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.

[21:06:14] <rob0> !unknown_local

[21:06:15] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).

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[21:07:21] <electro_> http://pastebin.com/d415285c4

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[21:09:12] <rob0> Still lacking a coherent problem description. garridodd@ttracker is being rejected.

[21:10:46] * cpm coherently describes rob0

[21:11:05] <MasterOne> Hi guys, I was just reading up on combining SQLgrey with policyd-weight, and found this a little dated info: http://blog.waja.info/2007/08/03/conditional-greylisting Anybody any idea, if this is superior to just using SQLgrey in front of policyd-weight in smtpd_recipient_restrictions?

[21:11:49] <thumbs> rob0: can I bother you for a question?

[21:11:54] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: are you around?

[21:12:26] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: I am.

[21:12:54] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: maildrop: Home directory owned by wrong user. (my /var/vmail is 755, owned by vmail:vmail)

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[21:13:11] <thumbs> I can't for the life of me resolve that issue.

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[21:14:01] <MasterOne> anybody here using selective greylisting, instead of just normal greylisting?

[21:14:23] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: maildrop is your delivery agent I'm guessing?

[21:14:27] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: yes.

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[21:14:59] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: It's the virtual_transport?

[21:15:05] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: correct.

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[21:15:21] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: And you've setgid_group = maildrop?

[21:15:32] <thumbs> perhaps not.

[21:15:58] <thumbs> let me verify that.

[21:15:59] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: And virtual_uid_maps are set to the UID of vmail? :-)

[21:16:10] <KB1JWQ> and virtual_gid_maps = static:1008

[21:16:36] <KB1JWQ> I'm betting that's it.

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[21:16:56] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: you're probably right.

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[21:17:44] <thumbs> setgid_group = postdrop

[21:17:48] <thumbs> dammit!

[21:17:55] <KB1JWQ> ding ding ding.

[21:18:17] <thumbs> I didn't set the virtual_gid_maps

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[21:18:44] <thumbs> perhaps I should also set that to static:1001

[21:19:00] <will_> you suck

[21:19:19] <thumbs> will_: pardon me?

[21:19:23] <will_> hi

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[21:26:31] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: gracias

[21:27:33] <KB1JWQ> thumbs: De nada.

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[21:31:27] <rob0> hiya

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[21:34:41] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: I also changed the master.cf =user parameter.

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[21:40:47] <thumbs> !virtual_uid_maps

[21:40:47] <knoba> thumbs: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.

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[22:18:41] <xerophyte> if this is virtual_mailbox_domains = ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-domains.cf pointing to useremail table in the ldap .. will the postfix know how to lookup the user to reject unknown user ?

[22:19:15] <xerophyte> just wondering i mean my postfix install does reject unknow user but i am wondering how does it do it

[22:20:02] <lunaphyte> !virtual_mailbox_maps

[22:20:02] <knoba> lunaphyte: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.

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[22:28:06] <xerophyte> lunaphyte: i got it now .. i was wondering how does postfix know about the users when its does not lookup on my configuration

[22:28:20] <xerophyte> looke like virtual_transport configured with dovecot so dovecot reply back

[22:28:25] <xerophyte> with unknown user

[22:29:53] <rob0> virtual_transport is not consulted by smtpd(8) at SMTP time. virtual_mailbox_maps is.

[22:31:18] <xerophyte> so its good to have  virtual_mailbox_maps

[22:31:26] <xerophyte> so it will not accept email i am i right

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[22:34:14] <xerophyte> rob0:  so if i configure virtual_mailbox_map it will reject the unknown users without hitting the virtual_transfer? is that right

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[22:56:31] <rob0> I don't know what else to say to that.

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[22:57:28] <thumbs> rob0: thanks for the hints.

[22:59:09] <rob0> I gave you hints?

[22:59:40] <thumbs> rob0: you did.

[23:00:37] <rob0> "Shape up or ship out!" "Plant your corn early."

[23:03:20] * will_ plants corn

[23:04:01] <rob0> NOOOO!! it's LATE now!!! STOP!!!!

[23:05:01] <rob0> "Early" means Feb. or March, maybe April further north.

[23:09:41] * pickcoder chroots /dev/corn to /opt/greenhouse and grows corn year-round

[23:12:58] <pickcoder> mm popcorn

[23:13:05] * pickcoder has the munchies

[23:14:36] <gpled> can someone work with me, in sending an eicar email?

[23:15:07] <thumbs> a what?

[23:16:18] <pickcoder> wikipedia man.. there's an example

[23:16:42] <pickcoder> create a file with that string it, call it blah.com and then use a client tool to attach it and send it to your mail server

[23:16:53] <pickcoder> or blah.exe

[23:17:07] <gpled> all my outside mail systems wont let me send it

[23:17:19] <pickcoder> I had no idea what it was and it took all of 1 minute to find it and figure out how to do it

[23:17:37] <pickcoder> gpled: well then I would guess they're doing their job?

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[23:18:05] <gpled> pickcoder: yep.  tested their system.  now need to test mine :)

[23:18:15] <pickcoder> so send it using mutt or some other CLI mail tool

[23:18:24] <MasterOne> well, just installed SQLgrey now in addition to policyd-weight, and I am still wondering, if it makes more sense, to just use SQLgrey in front of policyd-weight in smtpd_recipient_restrictions, or to use selective greylisting by letting policyd-weight handle SQLgrey (according to this info: http://blog.waja.info/2007/08/03/conditional-greylisting/). Nobody here using such a setup?

[23:18:39] <will_> Just don't do greylisting :)

[23:19:03] <pickcoder> greylistting--

[23:19:18] <pickcoder> I've had no need for greylisting, though, with my RBL setup

[23:19:20] <thumbs> I almost installed SQLgrey

[23:19:24] <thumbs> I'm glad I didn't :)

[23:19:35] <MasterOne> will_: I was thinking a lot about that lately, there are reasons for and against it, but it still seems to make sense, doesn't it?

[23:20:06] <pickcoder> SPF and DKIM make more sense than greylisting IMO

[23:20:21] <MasterOne> any comment on the quite interesting approach from http://blog.waja.info/2007/08/03/conditional-greylisting/ ?

[23:20:21] <will_> MasterOne: Is this for just you, or a company?

[23:20:23] <pickcoder> but I'm just a lone user

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[23:20:45] <MasterOne> will_: company mailserver with multiple virtual domains

[23:20:55] <will_> Yeah, you don't want greylisting :)

[23:21:03] <rob0> Who was that masked man?

[23:21:14] <will_> KB1JWQ!

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[23:21:48] <MasterOne> will_: that's why I think the approach with selective greylisting (calling SQLgrey from policyd-weight) makes much more sense

[23:21:56] <will_> MasterOne: Greylisting puts an unnecessary burden on users and your support department when they complain why their emails are not coming in. Greylisting is becoming ineffective as spambots get smarter

[23:21:59] <rob0> !eicar_string

[23:21:59] <knoba> rob0: "eicar_string" : X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*

[23:22:18] <pickcoder> I employed greylisting for 2 hours and I got a barrage of calls from irritated customers

[23:23:08] <MasterOne> did you take a look at http://blog.waja.info/2007/08/03/conditional-greylisting/ ? That info is a little dated, but it's the most interesting approach I could find on my search.

[23:23:23] <will_> MasterOne: How about you describe what you want to do

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[23:23:48] <will_> In your own words :)

[23:24:21] <MasterOne> pickcoder: dkim-milter is next on my plan, but from what I've read so far, SPF does not have a future

[23:24:54] <pickcoder> I'd beg to differ

[23:25:08] <pickcoder> SPF is getting adopted

[23:25:11] <pickcoder> it's just taking time

[23:25:27] <pickcoder> DKIM has definately grown

[23:25:36] <will_> The majority of people do not understand how to properly use SPF and DKIM

[23:25:54] <pickcoder> definitely even

[23:26:02] <MasterOne> the major problem of SPF is still with mail-forwards, isn't it?

[23:26:11] <will_> yep

[23:27:24] <pickcoder> most of the offenders sending us mail get dumped and banned based on spamhaus

[23:27:47] <pickcoder> I don't bother with RBL-listed clients and just ban their IP for a set time frame

[23:28:23] <MasterOne> maybe I'll read up on SPF again, when I find some time, but as I remember from the info on wikipedia, it was indeed very questionable

[23:28:42] <pickcoder> it's questionable because of DNS cache poisoning

[23:28:48] <pickcoder> and/or improper config

[23:28:59] <pickcoder> DKIM is no different

[23:29:03] <pickcoder> it's all DNS oriented

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[23:33:24] <pickcoder> you shouldn't rely on either of them as a whitelisting method, though

[23:33:38] <pickcoder> amavisd-new makes relatively simple work for SPF and DKIM

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[23:34:16] <beawesomeinstead> i have "127.0.0.1:432 inet n n n - - pipe" in my master.cf. shouldn't i be able to receive messages via persistent tcpsocket connection to 127.0.0.1:432?

[23:35:09] <MasterOne> pickcoder: I don't use amavis, but clamav-milter + spamass-milter instead, and dkim-milter was next on the plan, I am just added methods one after another

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[23:37:14] <will_> MasterOne: Did you add your RBLs yet?

[23:37:23] <will_> !cheatsheet

[23:37:23] <knoba> will_: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.

[23:37:25] <will_> And that

[23:37:37] <MasterOne> although I find myself spending much too much time with it ;) this is its own science, but pretty interesting.

[23:39:15] <pickcoder> beawesomeinstead: that will start a service on port 432 to a pipe to nowhere, unless you specified something in argv= options

[23:39:30] <MasterOne> will_: yes, first with policyd-weight, then spamassassin with the various plugins

[23:39:50] <will_> Where do RBLs fit in there?

[23:40:03] <pickcoder> MasterOne: use the rbl checks as demonstrated in the UCE page

[23:40:17] <pickcoder> oetherwise you're filtering mail that could be dropped before the DATA transaction

[23:40:24] <pickcoder> wasted resources and all

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[23:41:17] <pickcoder> also consider hooking in fail2ban and have it monitor the mail logs for specific errors and then block the IPs for a specific time period. That helps reduce bot traffic.

[23:41:19] <beawesomeinstead> pickcoder, but why do i need a service on port 432, when i can just pass things via argv= (-f -d etc)?

[23:41:43] <pickcoder> beawesomeinstead: good question.. I have no answer because I didn't put that in master.cf :)

[23:42:12] <MasterOne> letting postfix do the checking? why? that's what I have policyd-weight for.

[23:42:31] <pickcoder> MasterOne: because it's faster?

[23:42:38] <pickcoder> but whatever

[23:42:59] <MasterOne> pickcoder: policyd-weight works pre-DATA

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[23:44:01] <pickcoder> spamassassin doesn't

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[23:44:12] <pickcoder> how does policyd determine what to do?

[23:45:19] <MasterOne> it's a postfix policy daemon, get's called by smtpd_recipient_restrictions, and does all the advanced checking

[23:45:42] <pickcoder> advanced checking of what? the RBLs and ACLs?

[23:45:51] <pickcoder> I don't use it, so I have no idea

[23:46:11] <MasterOne> http://www.policyd-weight.org

[23:46:41] <MasterOne> score DNSBLs (RBL/RHSBL), HELO, MAIL FROM and client IP addresses before any queuing is done

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[23:47:32] <pickcoder> yeah I'm reading the page

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[23:49:11] <pickcoder> hm.. I wonder what "other factors" are that are used to calculate the score

[23:49:14] <MasterOne> the cool thing is now, that it's possible to add selective greylisting to policyd-weight scoring, so that questionable senders can be greylisted instead of just defered, that's where the info from http://blog.waja.info/2007/08/03/conditional-greylisting comes in

[23:49:23] <beawesomeinstead> pickcoder, thanks anyways! i just need to transfer incoming messages to an LDA on a remote machine, and was thinking about sockets

[23:49:38] <pickcoder> beawesomeinstead: use LMTP if it's on the LAN

[23:50:11] <pickcoder> heck for that matter SMTP would be fine too

[23:51:21] <pickcoder> I still don't think that you can be "fair" when your IP has been blacklisted

[23:51:41] <beawesomeinstead> i don't want to install postfix on each LDA machine though

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[23:52:36] <pickcoder> beawesomeinstead: you are sending the mail to another hop, it should go through another MTA

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[23:52:53] <pickcoder> or use NAS or a DB for the mailboxes

[23:53:23] <beawesomeinstead> pickcoder, hmm... that's right... thanks, i'll dig into this

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