August 17, 2009 
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August 17, 2009 [00:02:14] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[00:04:48] *** antii has joined #POSTFIX[00:05:20] <antii> hey, im gonna setup a postfix server that is on another network and I will be the only user thats using the service, but I want to be able to send and recieve mail, shall I choose imap or smtp then?[00:05:56] <Zerberus> antii: postfix does only smtp, imap is a different story[00:06:09] <antii> ok[00:10:53] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[00:12:14] *** pingouin has quit IRC[00:12:29] *** tore has quit IRC[00:12:34] *** tore has joined #postfix[00:14:10] <rob0> I wouldn't do much overlap time after pointing the MX elsewhere. If you can shut it down, do so.[00:14:58] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[00:16:42] <rom1v> I can't connect to my server using ssmtp[00:16:48] <rom1v> ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssmtp[00:16:56] <rom1v> while it is open (both on router and iptables)[00:17:44] *** farchanjo has joined #postfix[00:18:00] <rob0> "getent services ssmtp" turns up empty for me. What is it?[00:20:22] <antii> hmm, where shall I add the "home_mailbox = Maildir/" line?[00:27:28] <rob0> !home_mailbox[00:27:29] <knoba> rob0: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.[00:30:15] <antii> ah thx[00:30:16] <antii> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory active: Permission denied[00:30:20] <antii> whats this evul thing :([00:30:49] <kerneld> rob0: Cool. It used to be that AOL etc would cache their MX records well beyond what you put in your SOA[00:31:48] <kerneld> antii: main.cf most likely[00:32:26] <antii> It got wrong permission?[00:33:09] <kerneld> that looks right to me[00:33:33] <kerneld> nothing secret in there, but you donw want people to be able to write to iit[00:33:54] <antii> ok[00:33:59] <antii> what u ment with main.cf then?[00:34:55] <kerneld> what rob0 said[00:36:12] <rob0> AOL has one of the best postmaster departments of all large ISPs. Their user base is clueless, so they have to be extra clueful.[00:36:27] <antii> kerneld: hm[00:36:50] <rob0> postsuper(1) has nothing to do with home_mailbox[00:38:32] <antii> ok[00:39:08] <antii> rob0: u know how to solve?[00:39:26] <rob0> how to solve WHAT?[00:39:46] <antii> permission with postsuper?[00:41:08] *** war9407 has quit IRC[00:41:26] *** cilly has joined #postfix[00:42:51] <rob0> Do you know how to ask a real question? "I noticed $PROBLEM, and I tried $SOLUTION to fix it. Then I got this: $RESULT. Here's the $LINK to my pastebin of logs and 'postconf -n'."[00:43:24] <rob0> Why are you running postsuper at all?[00:45:21] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[00:45:22] <antii> It was on by default[00:46:17] <rob0> parse failure at unknown token "It"[00:50:11] *** mactimes has quit IRC[01:01:13] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[01:01:22] *** Mark21 has left #postfix[01:03:48] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[01:03:56] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[01:05:34] <standon> lol[01:07:22] <antii> rob0: Got it working now. :)[01:07:41] <standon> what 'it' is we'll never know.[01:08:18] <antii> Got postfix working :P[01:08:33] <standon> ah, cast a wide net and catch a lot of sh*t.[01:09:22] *** farchanjo_ has joined #postfix[01:20:20] *** phyrrus has joined #postfix[01:21:22] *** linux_jon has joined #postfix[01:21:27] *** phyrrus has quit IRC[01:21:31] <linux_jon> can i get some advice?[01:21:53] *** linguini has joined #postfix[01:23:53] <linguini> If I want mail delivered for non-system users (e.g. an "outgoing-mail" virtual user who is BCC-ed on much outgoing mail), must I use the virtual transport?[01:24:10] <rob0> !welcome[01:24:11] <knoba> rob0: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[01:25:06] <rob0> linux_jon: "!welcome" is your advice. You're quite welcome.[01:25:18] <rob0> linguini, huh?[01:25:33] <linux_jon> I;m going dizzy trying to setup my mail transfer..[01:26:06] <linux_jon> I cant figure it out, it was workin for a bit then i realized for most host or domains I was going to be refused for not forwarding through my ISP[01:26:19] <linux_jon> so when i changed the relay it all fell apart[01:26:25] <linux_jon> I get nothing in, nothing out...[01:26:25] <rob0> !basic[01:26:26] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[01:27:09] <linux_jon> I have all this setup.. its not working for soem reason though[01:27:24] <linguini> rob0: Rephrase: My postfix server works great for real, system users such as myself. However, I would like to add a couple users to local_recipient_maps without actually adding system accounts for them. These "fake-users" mailboxes would likely be logrotated, and used just to verify contents of sent mail.[01:27:35] <rom1v> salut[01:28:12] <linguini> rob0: I.e. I would BCC:maillog on lots of emails.[01:28:27] <rob0> linguini, aliases.5.html ("man 5 aliases")[01:29:02] <linguini> rob0: Well, I don't think I want an alias; the maillog mailbox should actually be shared with another coworker, and not POP-ed or anything...[01:29:25] <rob0> Sounds a lot like an alias to me.[01:29:41] <linguini> rob0: What would I alias it to?[01:30:13] *** farchanjo has quit IRC[01:30:52] <linguini> rob0: I wouldn't want the mail sent to linguini at foo dot org, because it is like 400 messages every night, and I usually don't care about them.[01:32:11] <rob0> Do spend some time in aliases.5.html -- see the part about .forward files and:[01:32:12] <linguini> Maybe there's a better way; I started down this path because some of our automated mail is being blocked as spam, and I want to see copies of the blocked mail, including headers and all.[01:32:17] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter[01:32:18] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[01:34:34] <linguini> rob0: Hmm. I'm aware of aliases, and recipient_delimiter (linguini+stuff at foo dot org). Are you suggesting I cause myself and/or my coworker(s) (through aliases) to be BCC-ed on all these messages?[01:36:05] <rob0> In aliases(5): "stuff: linguini+stuff at foo dot org, cow-orker+stuff at foo dot org"[01:36:44] <rob0> In .forward+stuff : "/some/place/you/can/find/it/"[01:36:57] *** madrescher has quit IRC[01:37:18] <linguini> rob0: Ooohh....[01:37:23] *** farchanjo_ is now known as farchanjo[01:37:31] <rob0> POP3 is so 1990's, all the cool kids are using IMAP now. Multiple folders and lots of perks.[01:41:52] <linguini> rob0: Thanks for the idea; that seems like it might work (and would certainly be the least config changes). The only downside is the file will be owned by me/coworker, but I'm not sure who would be a better owner anyway...[01:44:26] *** linguini has left #postfix[01:45:25] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[01:46:27] <rob0> what file? That approach would give each of you a copy of stuff.[01:46:38] <rob0> um, okay[01:53:00] *** ramoni has quit IRC[01:59:01] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[01:59:44] <linux_jon> ok.. so i sent a test message, then 2 mins later i sent another... not woprking again[02:03:12] *** basilgohar has joined #postfix[02:10:14] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[02:14:57] *** pingouin has quit IRC[02:15:34] *** rom1v has quit IRC[02:16:08] *** jimmygoon has joined #postfix[02:17:32] *** dmachi has joined #postfix[02:19:19] <dmachi> I am having trouble figuring out if I can do subaddressing with postfix and how? Perhaps its because I'm using an odd term for it, but maybe someone knows or can tell me something else to search. I'm referring to things like jsmith+foo at bar dot com where jsmith at bar dot com is the address, and foo is an arbitrary tag.[02:22:10] <pickcoder> extended addressing is supported[02:22:20] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter[02:22:20] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[02:22:34] <dmachi> thanks pickcoder[02:22:39] <linux_jon> I;m having trouble with postfix, mail form outside isnt recieved... say my MX record are invalid or not pointing to the right host[02:22:43] <pickcoder> look at the docs on postfix.org[02:22:51] <linux_jon> and outgoing mail isnt being sent 100% of the time[02:25:27] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[02:31:04] <kerneld> grrr .. amavis ate my memory[02:31:15] <linux_jon> pickcoder, i can send to this client, but they are unable to send to me, although i can send from my webmail at school to myself as well as reply.[02:31:16] <kerneld> Swap: 262136k total, 256868k used, 5268k free, 26324k cached[02:31:24] <thumbs> kerneld: tell it not to.[02:31:43] *** basilgohar has quit IRC[02:32:01] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[02:33:15] <kerneld> damn, going to have to pony up for more ram[02:33:56] <thumbs> mmm ponies[02:34:43] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[02:34:47] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[02:35:18] <kerneld> VPS provider was nice enough to carve up disk with lvm and leave free space[02:35:32] * kerneld can smell an lvextend coming on[02:36:18] *** antii has left #POSTFIX[02:36:26] <linux_jon> should my MX point to my hostname.domainname, the hostname being the hostname of my network card?[02:37:05] <linux_jon> like when I open a terminal it says mail~#[02:37:25] <linux_jon> should mail.domainname.com be the way i point my MX?[02:37:38] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[02:38:15] *** jtaji has quit IRC[02:38:44] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[02:42:30] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[02:47:43] <higuita> linux_jon: the MX points the a DNS (A record) that gets to your mail server[02:48:29] <higuita> the mail server should (almost must) use the helo name for the rdns of the internet IP it uses[02:48:38] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[02:48:53] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[02:48:58] <higuita> if both (the MX and the helo/rdns) are the same, great[02:49:16] <linux_jon> well I;m having some issues.... would this error be related to DNS?[02:49:19] <linux_jon> all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts or (invalidly) to IP[02:49:21] <linux_jon> addresses[02:49:38] <linux_jon> this error only occures from one particular host, from what i can tell[02:49:43] <higuita> the real hostname can be whatever you want, but usually helps to be the same as the rdns and the MX/A record[02:49:46] <linux_jon> when send ing to my server[02:50:30] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[02:52:45] <higuita> on that server that is giving problems, do: host -t MX (your email domain here)[02:52:57] <higuita> and checks what that servers sees as MX[02:53:50] <higuita> its probably using a bad DNS server or some hardcoded DNS (see the /etc/hosts if the hostname for the MX isnt there)[02:54:03] <linux_jon> see its not my host, its a mail host my aunt uses, that i am testing from[02:55:28] <higuita> them go to the robtex.com and check your domain[02:55:42] <higuita> http://www.robtex.com/(your domain)[02:56:18] <higuita> it will tell you what are your MX from a external view, check if they are really OK[02:56:34] <higuita> if yes, try to contact the admin of the bad server[02:57:10] <linux_jon> it works.. point to the right place[02:57:19] <linux_jon> could it be that that server DNS hasnt updated ?[02:58:13] *** F6F_ has quit IRC[02:58:15] *** F6F has quit IRC[02:59:06] <higuita> when did you change last time the DNS?[02:59:22] <linux_jon> at least an hour or two ago[02:59:35] <higuita> if its less than 1 day, wait... at least one day[02:59:50] <higuita> more if your SOA for the DNS is too high[03:00:19] <linux_jon> ok... so i can send and recieve from my school server to my server here at home over a ewb interface.. and then reply back and it work, does things sound ok to you?[03:00:52] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[03:00:55] <higuita> DNS takes alot to update, even when the SOA says to refresh soon, ISP can overide that for alot longer, to save load from their dns servers[03:01:18] <higuita> yes, seens OK[03:01:38] <linux_jon> sure,... that sounds right.. but if i can do send and receive to my college server at the school to my home here, I should be ok right?[03:01:39] <higuita> now wait for your DNS to propagate correctly[03:01:42] <linux_jon> cool...[03:01:46] <linux_jon> thanks[03:01:50] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:02:08] <linux_jon> I gotta take my sisters out to lunch maybe I'll catch ya around on here again.....thanks again[03:02:23] <higuita> each DNS server uses its own cache settings, so one might be working fine, and the next one still using old data[03:02:32] *** jimmygoon has quit IRC[03:06:21] *** Xjs|moonshine has quit IRC[03:15:47] *** Xjs|moonshine has joined #postfix[03:36:42] *** sadf has joined #postfix[03:42:16] *** cloxie has quit IRC[03:52:16] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[03:54:09] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:55:12] *** Zelest has quit IRC[03:58:01] *** Vince42 has joined #postfix[03:58:39] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[03:59:49] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[04:10:03] <linux_jon> higuita...you stilll around?[04:11:21] <higuita> yes, but i'm leaving... you have 1 minute :)[04:12:14] <linux_jon> all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts or (invalidly) to IP[04:12:16] <linux_jon> addresses[04:12:19] <linux_jon> ahh damn it[04:12:25] <linux_jon> so my domain works fine through forward lookup, but reverse lookup gives my ISP address, how can i resolve this issue?[04:13:40] <higuita> rdns of your server? you need to ask your ISP to change the rdns to whatever you need[04:14:26] <higuita> if only static IPs are possible, of course[04:14:36] <linux_jon> I have static[04:14:49] <linux_jon> there is no other way though?[04:14:59] <linux_jon> could this be related to the problem i was having earlier?[04:15:01] *** jtaji has quit IRC[04:15:57] <higuita> no[04:16:18] <higuita> bad rdns reject emails by the spam filters[04:16:26] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[04:16:39] <higuita> the other problem is bad DNS, you have to wait for it to update[04:16:43] <linux_jon> like Spamhaus...?[04:16:55] <higuita> no[04:17:36] <linux_jon> ok....specificly rejected from the host who should recieve it or relay it. It would just bew rejected?[04:18:00] <higuita> its just a check people put in mail servers, so that the helo must be equal to the rdns of the IP, that in turns the DNS must resolv back to the same IP[04:18:21] <higuita> spamhaus is a blacklist, dont check rdns[04:19:17] <higuita> depends on the server config... most dont check the rdns, but those how check, might reject (or mark as spam) your emails[04:19:25] <higuita> !rdns[04:19:25] <knoba> higuita: "rdns" : A reverse lookup is often referred to as reverse resolving, or more specifically reverse DNS lookup, and is accomplished using the in-addr.arpa domain in the form of a PTR record. See the !ptr factoid as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDNS[04:20:03] <higuita> there is another factoid, but i dont recall :)[04:20:12] <higuita> i'm going to sleep now...[04:20:17] <lunaphyte> !fcrdns[04:20:17] <knoba> lunaphyte: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .[04:20:34] <higuita> that is... thanks lunaphyte[04:20:39] <lunaphyte> :)[04:22:40] <linux_jon> thanks for the time today higuita[04:23:47] <linux_jon> !relayhost[04:23:48] <knoba> linux_jon: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[04:24:17] <linux_jon> hmmm[04:24:34] <linux_jon> I;m getting killed today[04:25:12] <linux_jon> lunaphyte, can you look at something for me>?[04:25:16] <linux_jon> http://www.robtex.com/dns/mail.ofanothersort.com.html[04:25:24] <linux_jon> see what you think of my reverse dns[04:28:45] <lunaphyte> what's the question?[04:29:12] <lunaphyte> is ofanothersort.com your domain name?[04:30:18] <linux_jon> yes sir[04:30:36] <linux_jon> c-24-118-47-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net is what Rdns gives, but shouldnt it be and IP?[04:31:02] <linux_jon> or my domain name>[04:31:09] <linux_jon> I dont know enough aobut this stuff...[04:32:20] <linux_jon> rDNS should give my domain name correct?[04:36:57] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure "should" is really the right word there.[04:37:20] <lunaphyte> your first problem is your mx record for you domain. it needs to be a hostname, not an ip address.[04:38:35] <lunaphyte> second, assuming your mx record points to mail.ofanothersort.com, mail.ofanothersort.com needs to have an a record, not a cname.[04:39:13] <lunaphyte> in fact, do yourself (and the rest of us a favor and just forget about cnames altogether.[04:41:23] <linux_jon> ugh.. i;m such a begginer :P[04:41:37] *** Gerdesas is now known as star[04:41:45] *** star is now known as Gerdesas[04:41:59] <lunaphyte> then, lastly, with respect to your question about your ptr record - yes, it would be a good thing if 24.118.47.103 had a ptr record that pointed to mail.ofanothersort.com - but if you're just a pathetic arbitrary comcast home customer, you can forget about that ever happening.[04:42:40] <linux_jon> We are a business customer with cable service[04:42:51] <lunaphyte> do you have multiple ip addresses?[04:43:00] <linux_jon> a single at this point[04:43:18] <lunaphyte> well, it's perhaps possible, but i wouldn't hold my breath.[04:43:36] <lunaphyte> the bottom line is only the owner of the ip address can change the ptr record for it.[04:43:54] <lunaphyte> (btw - you're not the owner, you're the user who the ip address has been loaned to)[04:44:17] <linux_jon> ok.. so what you have seen wrong with my DNS so far is MX record should be host and a host record needs to be set?[04:44:27] *** xpeed has quit IRC[04:44:28] <lunaphyte> yes[04:44:57] <anonymous> morning[04:57:53] *** scylla has joined #postfix[05:03:12] *** linux_jon has quit IRC[05:11:50] *** dmachi has left #postfix[05:19:14] *** nb__ has quit IRC[05:22:24] *** linux_jon has joined #postfix[05:24:46] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[05:29:40] *** tjz has joined #postfix[05:38:24] <linux_jon> anyone around>[05:38:26] <linux_jon> ?[05:42:45] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: Do you have a question?[05:43:25] <linux_jon> yes, could you look at my MX and see if they are correct, and if so why I am getting one of my domains to receive mail and another rejects it...[05:44:01] <KB1JWQ> DNS caching perhaps?[05:44:49] <linux_jon> well i have had the domain for a while now...[05:45:05] <linux_jon> i get 550.5.7.1 Relaying denied[05:45:28] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: Reac the /topic[05:45:30] <KB1JWQ> read, even.[05:45:46] <lunaphyte> linux_jon: your dns is still improper.[05:45:55] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[05:46:08] <linux_jon> I dont understand....MX dns[05:46:12] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: Ah, you're working with him?[05:46:15] <lunaphyte> you can use dig to see this for yourself. dig @ns27.domaincontrol.com ofanothersort.com mx (and @ns28[05:46:18] <KB1JWQ> I'll butt out then. :)[05:46:32] <lunaphyte> i'd given him a couple of pointers earlier, that's all.[05:46:56] <linux_jon> I dont understand what is wrong[05:47:09] *** jens_ has joined #postfix[05:47:16] <lunaphyte> i thought i'd done a pretty decent job. what part didn't you understand.[05:47:27] <linux_jon> I changed what you told me too[05:47:40] <lunaphyte> are you sure? dns doesn't lie.[05:48:14] <linux_jon> I went to my godaddy control panel and changed the host you told me too[05:49:03] <linux_jon> do dig -t mx marshabourcy.com[05:49:15] <linux_jon> thats is my server DNS[05:49:31] <lunaphyte> what does "that is my server dns" mean?[05:49:40] <linux_jon> should i point godaddy's DNS to my DNS server instead?[05:49:50] <linux_jon> I have DNS running on my server as well[05:49:51] <lunaphyte> i thought your domain was ofanothersort.com...[05:49:57] <linux_jon> I have serveral...[05:50:28] <lunaphyte> you're working on several domains at the same time? pick one and focus on that.[05:50:52] <linux_jon> ofanothersort.com receives email.. but all mail to marshabourcy gets bounced[05:51:10] <lunaphyte> neither is properly represented in dns.[05:51:17] <linux_jon> hmm.....[05:51:33] <lunaphyte> perhaps a reference would help you understand things better.[05:51:42] *** farchanjo has quit IRC[05:51:42] <linux_jon> please[05:52:47] <lunaphyte> dig groundnoise.net mx[05:53:00] *** tessier has left #postfix[05:53:14] <lunaphyte> do you understand the output of dig, generally speaking?[05:53:32] <linux_jon> yea i get that[05:54:09] <lunaphyte> so you understand you're concerned with the answer section?[05:54:24] <linux_jon> yes[05:54:34] <linux_jon> I cant understand why it isnt changing though[05:55:03] <linux_jon> if i have a DNS server on my machine, do i just point NS to my IP?[05:55:06] <lunaphyte> so you can see the difference between the answer section for the example i gave and for your domain(s)?[05:55:14] <lunaphyte> sure, you can do that.[05:55:19] <linux_jon> hold on here[05:55:42] <rob0> Mail has a steep enough learning curve. Don't try to do it all at once, you're going to get frustrated.[05:56:24] <rob0> There are lots of free/cheap DNS hosting options, and all you need to know is just a few basics of DNS.[05:56:41] <lunaphyte> the bottom line is this: ns27 and 28.domaincontrol.com are the 2 servers that provide dns answers for ofanothersort.com. if you want to change what answers are returned, you must modify the data on those servers (likely indirectly)[05:56:50] <lunaphyte> yeah, i'd agree w/ rob0.[05:57:25] <linux_jon> I had this setup at one point and it was easy and smooth....today is killing me[05:58:12] <lunaphyte> bummer, now you've got this inaccurate preconception that running an email server is easy and smooth.[05:58:17] <lunaphyte> *the[06:00:26] <lunaphyte> beginner's luck like that can be a killer. :)[06:01:21] <linux_jon> hahah[06:01:28] <linux_jon> I know its not supposed to be easy...[06:01:40] <linux_jon> dud this thing.. I cant forward my dns either..[06:01:42] <linux_jon> WTF[06:01:55] <standon> like, wtf, like, dude.. like, wtf.[06:02:43] <linux_jon> haha[06:03:09] <linux_jon> Ok..seriously DNS has had time to update I dont get why its not showing proper MX[06:03:40] <standon> linux_jon: what's the domain name?[06:03:44] *** jense has quit IRC[06:03:53] <linux_jon> ofanothersort.com and marshabourcy.com[06:04:05] <linux_jon> I got mail on the first and not on the second, it just bounces back[06:04:25] <standon> neither has an MX record as far as my DNS server is concerned.[06:04:26] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[06:04:40] <rob0> Then that all goes back to !welcome, which you disregarded hours ago.[06:05:12] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:05:22] <standon> 220 mail.ofanothersort.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.3/8.14.3/SuSE Linux 0.8; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:05:01 -0500[06:05:25] <standon> ew.[06:05:52] <linux_jon> ew what?[06:05:55] <standon> *Sendmail*[06:06:04] <linux_jon> thats what I;m using?[06:06:12] <linux_jon> I though postfix....[06:06:15] <linux_jon> ugh OMG[06:06:16] <rob0> haha[06:06:26] <linux_jon> I've been configuring poistfix all day[06:06:36] <standon> my first reaction would normally be to laugh, but i just feel sorry for you.[06:06:48] <standon> poor guy. :([06:06:51] * linux_jon walks slow to corner and beats his head on the wall, hoping for a unconcious moment[06:07:15] <linux_jon> ok.. how do i get postfix workin?[06:07:16] <standon> linux_jon: it would seem you've *been* unconcious this whole timee.[06:07:28] <standon> linux_jon: READ THE TOPIC AS rob0 has ALREADY suggested.[06:07:28] <linux_jon> yes it would seem that way[06:07:56] <anonymous> which exactly suse do you have?[06:07:59] <linux_jon> I can just disable sendmail and enable postfix in the services right?[06:08:02] <rob0> Yes, this would have been identified hours ago with logs.[06:08:07] <linux_jon> i have suse 11.1[06:08:10] <standon> linux_jon: i haven't a clue, i don't use Linux.[06:08:21] <rob0> Read SuSE documentation to learn how to manage SuSE.[06:08:31] <anonymous> 11.1 has postfix default[06:08:38] <anonymous> it's some manual change[06:08:48] <linux_jon> ugh...[06:09:04] <linux_jon> yea thats what i beleived too, i dont understand how sendmail got started up[06:09:09] *** cilly has quit IRC[06:09:57] <standon> linux_jon: let's back up a bit here. why are you trying to run a mail server? it seems you need to learn some UNIX basics before trying to configure Postfix (or any mail server).[06:10:30] <linux_jon> well, I nee mail for my domains[06:10:43] <linux_jon> this all worked well until i added a second domain[06:10:44] <linux_jon> :)[06:11:03] * standon wonders how adding a second domain in postfix led to the activation of Sendmail.[06:11:15] <anonymous> a miracle[06:11:21] * standon tires from wonderment and wanders off to bed[06:11:27] <standon> night rob0. good luck sir. :)[06:11:56] <linux_jon> ugh...[06:12:02] <linux_jon> This hurts[06:12:51] <linux_jon> hah.. i uninstalled sendcmail and installed postfix, shit work like a champ now :P[06:12:55] <linux_jon> OMFG![06:13:13] <linux_jon> but my dns is stil all messed up[06:13:39] *** cilly has joined #postfix[06:14:11] * KB1JWQ is NOT touching this.[06:14:21] <KB1JWQ> rob0 and lunaphyte broke it, they get to keep the pieces. :D[06:14:43] <linux_jon> oh come on[06:16:23] <linux_jon> I need some help here[06:18:01] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: That's obvious.[06:18:14] <linux_jon> :P[06:18:17] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: You're rather obviously in over your head. I'd suggest reading the !basic factoid and going from there.[06:18:20] <KB1JWQ> !basic[06:18:21] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[06:18:31] <linux_jon> I already have that workin....[06:18:41] <linux_jon> its the outside DNS we are talking aobut[06:19:32] <KB1JWQ> Oh good. Then it's not a postfix issue.[06:19:51] <linux_jon> ugh...I'm trying to locate the issue[06:20:04] <linux_jon> dig shows no MX from my NS at godaddy[06:20:25] <KB1JWQ> Yes. That takes time to propogate.[06:20:29] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: What's your domain?[06:20:44] <linux_jon> ofanothersort.com marshabourcy.com[06:20:51] <linux_jon> if i dig my ISP i get the proper info[06:21:03] <KB1JWQ> You have no MX there from where I sit.[06:21:25] <KB1JWQ> So fix your DNS and things should work after propogation.[06:21:30] *** pinoyskull- has joined #postfix[06:21:47] <linux_jon> how long should i wait for MX NS to update?[06:22:46] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: I didn't have cached DNS records for your domain. I'd wager there's something broken.[06:23:02] * linux_jon hand to face[06:23:14] * linux_jon hand to face mx[06:26:18] <linux_jon> hmm...would I have to wait overnight for godaddy to update their servers?[06:26:51] <linux_jon> one more thing should the MX host be a host.TLD.com[06:29:15] <KB1JWQ> Ask them![06:30:54] <linux_jon> ugh[06:34:40] <lunaphyte> !gmail[06:34:41] <knoba> lunaphyte: "gmail" : Google Mail issues?: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81126[06:34:47] <lunaphyte> hmm.[06:35:28] <lunaphyte> !googleapps[06:35:28] <knoba> lunaphyte: "googleapps" : Google Apps - http://www.google.com/a/ - A free service provided by Google to have your email and other services hosted by them[06:38:32] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[06:42:26] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[06:43:00] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[06:46:30] *** gregcoit has left #postfix[06:52:12] *** linguini has joined #postfix[06:52:48] *** Vince42 has quit IRC[06:56:10] *** _bugz_ has quit IRC[07:00:40] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[07:04:44] *** _bugz_ has joined #postfix[07:06:09] <kerneld> OK, got a real postfix Q. How do I set an env var for the chrooted postfix daemons?[07:06:30] <kerneld> (KRB5_KTNAME)[07:06:38] <KB1JWQ> !chroot[07:06:39] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[07:07:57] *** Zelest has joined #postfix[07:10:33] *** linux_jon has quit IRC[07:17:20] *** madrescher has quit IRC[07:23:01] <kerneld> !inport_environment[07:23:02] <knoba> kerneld: Error: "inport_environment" is not a valid command.[07:23:13] <kerneld> !import_environment[07:23:14] <knoba> kerneld: "import_environment" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of environment parameters that a Postfix process will import from a non-Postfix parent process. Examples of relevant parameters:[07:24:02] <kerneld> ok, so before setting this, I need to look at postconf -d right? Otherwsie I will kill postfix[07:25:32] <kerneld> Ohh I can set environment there too. Default has LANG=C[07:40:41] *** Jon has joined #postfix[07:41:01] *** Jon is now known as Guest64430[07:41:10] *** Guest64430 is now known as linux_jon[07:50:23] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[07:55:12] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[07:55:42] *** krix has joined #postfix[07:55:44] <krix> hey there[07:55:53] <linux_jon> hey[07:56:08] <krix> just a quick question. At header_checks the REDIRECT "rule" only can redirect to one address and not more ?[07:56:29] <linux_jon> Well, I beleive so[07:56:51] <linux_jon> if you redirect outgoing mail, it just either redirects or not... i;m still figure that out myself but i believe so[07:57:01] <linux_jon> You here to solve my MX problems :P?[07:57:15] <krix> np :)[07:57:21] *** ikaro has quit IRC[07:57:38] <linux_jon> You very familiar with MX record or postfix in general?[07:57:46] <krix> i got a problem, I got an email sender who sends us a tons of "sh.t" which we don't need. He sends this for ~50 address[07:58:19] <krix> i want to controll this and i search some way to prevent this and only deliver from this sender to 2 recipients and no more[07:58:37] <linux_jon> incoming to your server or outgoing?[07:58:39] <krix> any idea about this? :) linux_jon: for MX things, not so, ask maybe :)[07:58:43] <krix> incoming to my server[07:58:55] <kerneld> grr, I broke my smtpauth. saslauthd shows it authenticating successfully, but postfix squeels about realy access denied[07:59:01] <linux_jon> you can blacklist him, or maybe some type of throttleing...[07:59:05] <krix> i got a "badsender at bad dot com" sender. This is constant this sender address wont change[07:59:25] <linux_jon> just black list him :D[07:59:37] <krix> well yes, but in here the question was: "no 50 recipient, but need 2 recipient to recive badsender at bad dot com mails[07:59:38] <krix> ^[07:59:43] <krix> and no idea how or where :S[07:59:46] <krix> can i solve this*[08:00:07] <krix> so i can't blacklist out fully this sender.[08:01:07] <linux_jon> hmm...throttle his usage?[08:01:21] <krix> throttle is for well[08:01:29] <krix> i think throttle isn't for this situation[08:01:48] <linux_jon> ok so say you have 52 users and all but 2 need the mail form him?[08:01:57] <krix> i try to write it simple[08:02:28] <krix> i got sender A (incoming) . Sender A send mail to us for B C D E F G etc.. recipients[08:02:50] <krix> this is bad. We need to contorl this in this way: sender A sends mail, but only C and D allowed to recieve it[08:02:52] <krix> ^ :)[08:03:14] <linux_jon> I think i know what your saying but i cannot answer your question[08:03:22] <linux_jon> I;m not that advanced yet[08:03:26] <krix> anybody else here? :S[08:03:47] <krix> i feeeel that the solution will be in header_checks and some address rewrite or sender check and !recipient check :S[08:04:39] <linux_jon> yea[08:04:44] <linux_jon> !recipient[08:04:44] <knoba> linux_jon: Error: "recipient" is not a valid command.[08:04:51] <linux_jon> !recipient_check[08:04:51] <knoba> linux_jon: Error: "recipient_check" is not a valid command.[08:04:58] <linux_jon> !hear[08:04:58] <knoba> linux_jon: Error: "hear" is not a valid command.[08:05:02] <linux_jon> !header[08:05:02] <knoba> linux_jon: Error: "header" is not a valid command.[08:05:05] <linux_jon> !header_check[08:05:05] <knoba> linux_jon: Error: "header_check" is not a valid command.[08:05:09] <linux_jon> !headercheck[08:05:09] <knoba> linux_jon: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.[08:05:17] <linux_jon> YEs1[08:05:22] <linux_jon> I think he likes me[08:06:30] <krix> :D[08:07:02] *** pallu has joined #postfix[08:07:12] <kerneld> doh, had 2 smtpd_recipient_restrictions[08:08:43] <linux_jon> krix, look into that stmp recipient restriction[08:08:49] <krix> yep yep trying[08:10:56] *** loca| has quit IRC[08:11:13] <kerneld> Cool, authenticating postfix with gssapi[08:11:22] *** loca| has joined #postfix[08:11:40] <kerneld> SSO is nice[08:12:34] <krix> kerneld, as a quick check on smtp_recipient_restriction i figured out (maybe badly) this isn't for this situation again. I can do this with some helo checks, domain checks, i can reject things, redirect things to other server, etc.[08:14:09] *** ramontayag has joined #postfix[08:18:36] <kerneld> Odd[08:18:58] <kerneld> GSSAPI is working from TB to postfix, but no Cyrus[08:19:15] <linux_jon> how can i start from scratch with a postfix install?[08:19:17] <kerneld> have to use basic over SSL[08:20:10] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: Uninstall postfix, rm -rf /etc/postfix, install postfix.[08:20:14] <kerneld> krix: My prob was I had a overridden the smtpd_recipient_restrictions with a section on handling spam I had pulled in from old server. Defining header checks, helo restrictions etc..[08:20:25] <linux_jon> will htat remove config files too?[08:21:07] <krix> kerneld, yes but my problem is sooo simple and i can't find any "simple" solution.[08:22:01] <krix> like i said, sender == A __ sends many mail for us to B C D E F etc.. but i want to control this and allow that if sender A sends a mail to us then _just_ C and D recipients recieve the mail[08:24:19] <linguini> krix: Do C or D include postmaster?[08:24:36] *** cloxie has joined #postfix[08:24:50] <krix> no. Those are real addresses (i mean not some general) those are real ppls who want to read sender A's email[08:25:27] <linux_jon> KB1JWQ that didnt do anything[08:25:34] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[08:25:57] <linguini> krix: It is easy to block all mail from a single sender. Blocking individual mail from a sender to certain recipients -- that is not nearly as "simple" as you think...[08:30:22] *** sadf has quit IRC[08:31:03] <kerneld> krix: Edit the users sieve scripts :P[08:32:30] <linguini> krix: Do you want sender at lame dot org to think all his mail was delivered, or none of his mail was delivered?[08:33:30] <pallu> any one here using netbsd?[08:34:53] <krix> linguini, first option[08:35:15] <krix> i don't want sender at lame dot org notice about that some of his mails blocked.[08:35:56] <ramontayag> is there a way to install postfix without removing sendmail? there's a package manager bug that disallows me to remove sendmail :s[08:36:15] <krix> linguini, http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14879 thinking about something like in this URL but wel as there wrote that isn't working :))[08:36:24] <linguini> krix: Sounds like an impolite way of dealing with them. Maybe you should just ask the user to send less mail, and if they decline, block them completely.[08:36:58] <linguini> krix: Have you looked at FILTER_README ?[08:37:30] <krix> linguini, partly. Yes it's an impolite way, but this sender ... well. insane. Talk does not help with him.[08:37:58] <linguini> Why not completely block him?[08:38:33] <KB1JWQ> ramontayag: What OS?[08:39:12] <krix> linguini, because there is some information in his mails that maybe needed in the future[08:39:35] <krix> linguini, and we don't want to bother our other ~48 user about his mails.[08:39:45] <krix> there are 2 recipient that is competent in this situation.[08:40:10] *** pallu has quit IRC[08:40:41] <KB1JWQ> krix: Your problem is that you're attempting to solve a social issue via technology.[08:41:06] <ramontayag> KB1JWQ: ubuntu 9.04[08:42:12] <KB1JWQ> That's a crap distro for a server.[08:42:24] *** Nockian has quit IRC[08:42:32] <KB1JWQ> I'd suggest CentOS if you're clueless, FreeBSD if you're not.[08:42:37] <krix> KB1JWQ, yes i know :( but this order comes from a "higher" place :S[08:43:07] <KB1JWQ> Install Postfix. Will it let you remove sendmail after that's done?[08:43:20] <KB1JWQ> The system generally wants SOME MTA to be installed.[08:43:28] <KB1JWQ> Whether that's exim, sendmail, or postfix it doesn't much care.[08:44:10] <linguini> krix: I think FILTER_README can tell you how to do what you want. It gives you programatic filtering control.[08:44:55] <linguini> krix: I wouldn't waste time looking for a "recipe"; I find your situation unusual.[08:48:38] *** krix_ has joined #postfix[08:49:49] *** lunaphyte has quit IRC[08:50:23] <linguini> krix: You also might be able to use mailbox_command (procmail, e.g.)[08:51:19] *** linguini has quit IRC[08:51:50] <f3ew> KB1JWQ, yum -y install postfix && yum -y remove sendmail[08:52:10] <KB1JWQ> f3ew: That's my solution, but ubuntu doesn't agree with me. :)[08:52:41] <f3ew> apt-get install postfix && apt-get purge sendmail[08:53:03] <f3ew> Actually, I have a Puppet recipe which does all that for me[08:53:19] <dan__t> Does $relayhost take precedence over /etc/aliases?[08:53:24] <f3ew> No[08:53:25] <dan__t> Does it work that way? This is uncharted waters for me.[08:53:45] <f3ew> relayhost and alias_maps are for different address classes[08:53:54] <dan__t> Oh... right.[08:54:45] *** lunaphyte has joined #postfix[08:55:33] <KB1JWQ> f3ew: Yeah, we're a cfengine shop. Fortunately that bit of nonsense is handled via our kickstart.[08:56:38] <f3ew> Summary: Postfix classifies domains into five different classes. Each class has it's own transport and configurations. mydestination is the "traditional" local domain, via local(8) and alias_map. virtual_mailbox_domains uses virtual(8), virtual_alias_maps and virtual_mailbox_maps. virtual_alias_domains uses virtual_alias_maps and has no specific transport. relay_domains uses relay_transport, and relayhost.[08:56:48] *** Nockian has joined #postfix[08:57:36] <dan__t> this is totally f'd.[08:57:40] <dan__t> Thanks.[09:03:40] <kerneld> krix: Make an amavis rule[09:03:59] <kerneld> Hmm that only gets done once though[09:04:48] <kerneld> what are you using for mailboxes? mbox/Maildir/lmtp to something else?[09:04:49] *** InsolentDreams has joined #postfix[09:06:45] *** krix has quit IRC[09:08:53] <krix_> kerneld, this is just an smtp gateway, no real users on this[09:09:07] <krix_> emails are forwarded to a Lotus Notes SMTP, then to a Domimo server blah brr.[09:09:08] <krix_> :)[09:10:06] <kerneld> krix_: So procmail won't work.[09:10:27] <krix_> kerneld, it wont with the general procmailrc ? I mean /etc/procmailrc[09:11:06] <kerneld> well, you would need to deliver the mail to have it processed by procmailrc[09:12:45] <kerneld> I wonder if you can header re-write the recipients[09:13:52] <krix_> weell actually i wanted to do it from header_checks. Like i noticed that there is some if and endif statements[09:13:55] <krix_> and can use those at there.[09:14:16] <krix_> maybe i can check if sender == badsender then check if To: is C or D address[09:14:35] <krix_> i mean something like this: !/^To: ..... / REJECT[09:14:48] <krix_> this cause that if sender == badsender but To != C or D then reject mail[09:14:58] <krix_> but i can't put this together :D[09:15:41] <kerneld> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html[09:18:29] <f3ew> You want to discard all mail from that sender?[09:18:41] <f3ew> Or only to specific recipients from that sender?[09:19:11] <kerneld> sender_dependent_relayhost_maps[09:19:16] <kerneld> Oooo[09:24:26] *** WorkRaoul has quit IRC[09:25:04] <dan__t> WElp. Did a nice big mail cutover on Friday, and everything went according to plan. Except for a few piped entries in /etc/aliases that go to applications on that old server which can't be moved. Fail.[09:25:54] <kerneld> let me guess. Mailman or majordomo?[09:26:13] <dan__t> Well, THIS time, procmail.[09:26:30] <dan__t> Looks like we filter some messages and parse them and dump the contents in to... wait for it... flat text files.[09:27:24] <dan__t> I want to use a transport map.[09:27:25] <kerneld> TPS reports?[09:28:00] <dan__t> Might as well be.[09:28:12] <f3ew> heh[09:28:27] <dan__t> I can't have two transport maps, either, can I.[09:28:36] <f3ew> Why not?[09:28:46] <dan__t> Didn't know if it could be specified more than once?[09:28:56] <f3ew> I suggest virtual_alias_maps though[09:29:17] <dan__t> The aliases for which I want these transport maps to apply are not in LDAP unfortunately, while my regular transport_maps is in fact data that comes from LDAP.[09:29:22] <f3ew> transport_maps = hash:/foo/bar, ldap:/etc/postfix/stupid_active_directory.cf[09:29:26] <f3ew> heh[09:29:34] <dan__t> I did not know that I could do that.[09:29:39] <dan__t> Thank you... I'll give it a shot.[09:29:43] <linux_jon> how do i remove LDAP from loading when MTA searches for users?[09:29:54] <f3ew> You can do that for anything which takes a list[09:30:12] <dan__t> Very good to know, thanks.[09:30:40] <f3ew> So basically exclude the single valued stuff and you are good to go[09:31:05] <dan__t> Yep.[09:31:18] <dan__t> There's maybe two dozen of said PITA aliases... I can script that out no problem.[09:31:28] *** linux_jon has quit IRC[09:31:30] *** jtaji has quit IRC[09:32:04] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[09:32:21] <dan__t> Yeah, like 6 dozen.[09:32:34] <dan__t> By two dozen, I meant three times two dozen.[09:37:37] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:38:28] *** linux_jon has joined #postfix[09:38:48] <linux_jon> I deleted postfix and then deleted the /etc/postfix/ file too[09:38:53] <linux_jon> it didnt clear the config[09:39:57] *** WorkRaoul has joined #postfix[09:40:21] <kerneld> linux_jon: Do you perhaps have ldap in your nsswitch config?[09:40:55] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[09:41:20] <kerneld> if you have : passwd: files ldap[09:42:06] <dan__t> It appears that messages are being picked up via alias_maps prior to transport_maps[09:42:08] <linux_jon> hmm where would that be?[09:42:10] <kerneld> when postfix looks for local users, by default I would thing it would look at getent passwd[09:42:43] <linux_jon> yes i have been trying to get rid of the ldap thing, but dont know how to just start over[09:42:43] <kerneld> if you don't know, don't mess with it[09:43:20] <kerneld> when you run: getent passwd, does it include your ldap users?[09:43:20] <KB1JWQ> kerneld: That's correct.[09:43:28] <linux_jon> yes[09:44:04] <linux_jon> how do i stop that crap?[09:44:45] <kerneld> ok, then you have a non postfix problem. You may want to look at resetting your pam and nnsswitch configs back to before you started working with ldap[09:45:37] <KB1JWQ> Wow. linux_jon has really dug himself deeper in the last eight hours...[09:45:40] <linux_jon> ugh...[09:45:56] <KB1JWQ> I figure if I wait till morning he'll offer to buy me a car to fix it for him. :D[09:45:57] <linux_jon> this has been here from hour one[09:45:59] <kerneld> linux_jon: Prob is, thay are critical files for authentication and authorization for you server. If you jack it up, your system could be unaccessible except from console[09:46:21] <linux_jon> can you tell me what your saying?[09:46:34] <linux_jon> pam and nsswitch configs?[09:46:42] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: "fuck this up and you'll have to call support to let you back into your VPS" :)[09:46:55] <KB1JWQ> Pardon my language.[09:47:52] <linux_jon> ugh..[09:47:59] <linux_jon> dont get me started on a full reinstall :P[09:48:07] <linux_jon> i can do that AGAIN[09:48:19] <kerneld> removing ldap from nsswitch should not be too painful[09:48:28] <linux_jon> what is pam?[09:48:39] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: What OS is this?[09:48:46] <linux_jon> can you help me get through this?[09:48:47] <kerneld> so long as you have all your users you need in /etc/passwd|shadow[09:48:49] <linux_jon> Opensuse 11.1[09:48:53] <KB1JWQ> ...[09:49:05] <KB1JWQ> You go from crap to junk on purpose, or...? :)[09:49:13] <linux_jon> ugh dude....[09:49:20] <linux_jon> I;m having a bad day here[09:49:24] <kerneld> linux_jon: You would get better help in the #linux or opensuse chats for working with pam and nsswitch[09:49:24] <linux_jon> give me a break[09:49:27] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I kinda noticed this.[09:49:36] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: Is this for work?[09:49:37] <linux_jon> gues what tother rooms I;m in[09:49:42] <dan__t> kerneld, your 'Mailman' answer is ruining my night, too.[09:49:45] <dan__t> Thanks a lot.[09:50:04] <kerneld> dan__t: Was I right?[09:50:27] <kerneld> dan__t: Mailman is not too hard to move.[09:51:00] <dan__t> Mailman in itself might not be.[09:51:14] <linux_jon> there is no nsswitch files on my computer[09:51:18] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:51:19] <dan__t> Can I use the 'mailman' command to send post submissions to a different server for handling?[09:51:22] <kerneld> linux_jon: bollocks[09:51:33] <kerneld> cat /etc/nsswitch.conf[09:51:52] <kerneld> and DONT remove it. It is very important[09:52:23] <dan__t> I know this isn't #mailman, sorry[09:52:47] <linux_jon> so i remove anything that calls ldap right?[09:53:14] <dan__t> Make a backup first.[09:53:23] <dan__t> Which distro?[09:53:27] <kerneld> linux_jon: just remove the word ldap , not the line[09:53:52] <linux_jon> right[09:53:55] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: AND MAKE A BACKUP FIRST[09:54:09] <linux_jon> and this pam... where is she at?[09:54:19] <dan__t> Which distro?[09:54:20] <kerneld> linux_jon: That is less important[09:54:31] <KB1JWQ> linux_jon: Do that step first.[09:54:33] <KB1JWQ> See what breaks.[09:54:36] <linux_jon> this is wierd that nsswitch.conf wasnt found by search[09:54:37] <kerneld> linux_jon: well as far as postfix is concerned[09:55:08] <KB1JWQ> Anyway, off topic for #postfix. :)[09:55:22] <linux_jon> k done[09:55:41] <kerneld> is getent passwd showing you what you want now?[09:55:44] <linux_jon> yes... that fixed that real quick :P[09:57:48] <linux_jon> ok... so i stil have a postfix error poping up, unknow error though,, should i just restart the service or total reboot?\[09:59:14] <linux_jon> it just rejected an incoming message....[09:59:56] <kerneld> postfix restart[10:00:13] <kerneld> look at the logs[10:00:17] *** Slashman has joined #postfix[10:00:26] *** polaru has joined #postfix[10:00:57] <linux_jon> i am tail is spitting log right now..[10:01:10] *** Robbie__ has joined #postfix[10:01:11] <dan__t> Maybe I don't understand entirely how the transports interact, at least not as well as I should, I'll sheepishly admit. I'm trying to compile a transport map to send addresses which would otherwise be in alias_database, to a different server for processing. I can't get any of those addresses to trigger via postmap -q[10:01:16] <linux_jon> i try to send and i get and unkknown error, i send through MTA[10:01:35] <linux_jon> status = deffered (unknow MTA error[10:02:00] <dan__t> I understand different address classes, but not what qualifies a given message as being part of such a class.[10:02:07] <linux_jon> relay access denied from outside[10:02:14] <linux_jon> grrrrr[10:02:20] <kerneld> does the uid for the users Maildir or mbox match the file permissions?[10:02:59] <linux_jon> what permissions should be set?[10:03:18] *** Slashman has quit IRC[10:03:24] <kerneld> well the owner of the file or directory for the users mail should be the user[10:03:55] <kerneld> when you killed your LDAP, the uid the resolves for the user may be different[10:04:25] * kerneld snoozes[10:04:50] <linux_jon> its 3 am here[10:04:54] <linux_jon> I;m tired too[10:05:21] <linux_jon> yes that user is set for that mail file[10:06:15] <linux_jon> warning: database /etc/postfix/virtual.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/virtual[10:06:20] <linux_jon> i keep getting those messages[10:06:31] *** Roobarb-Work has joined #postfix[10:06:40] <kerneld> linux_jon: did you run postmap after editing it?[10:06:47] <linux_jon> no[10:06:48] <kerneld> postfix 101[10:07:07] <linux_jon> hm....[10:07:14] <linux_jon> should i just uninstall and reinstall?[10:07:15] <kerneld> hash maps need to be compiled with postmap to update the .db[10:07:34] <kerneld> No, just learn how to use the basic postfix commands[10:07:37] *** Slashman has joined #postfix[10:07:47] <linux_jon> so what do i do?[10:07:53] <linux_jon> postmap ...what?[10:07:57] <linux_jon> each db?[10:08:01] <kerneld> when you edit a file referenced by a hash: you need to run postmap[10:08:04] <kerneld> on the file[10:08:16] <linux_jon> i never edited the db files[10:08:17] <kerneld> yeah, for all the maps y9ou edit[10:08:33] <kerneld> You never do, they are made by the postmap command[10:08:52] <linux_jon> ok... so nsswitch all those ldap that i removed?[10:09:26] <kerneld> well if you edited virtual and you want to see those changes, postmap virtual[10:09:38] <kerneld> you will see virtual.db get updated[10:09:41] <linux_jon> i never edited those...[10:09:50] <linux_jon> none of them.. just deleted and reinstalled[10:10:45] <kerneld> i give up, going to sleep[10:12:06] <KB1JWQ> Same here.[10:12:09] <KB1JWQ> Night, #postfix.[10:12:43] *** F6F has joined #postfix[10:13:32] *** loca| has quit IRC[10:13:44] *** Pazzo has joined #postfix[10:16:02] <dan__t> hrm.[10:17:03] <linux_jon> :([10:17:10] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[10:17:33] <linux_jon> OMG[10:17:37] <linux_jon> this is crazy[10:19:47] *** nuonguy has joined #postfix[10:30:18] <Roobarb-Work> linux_jon: no, KISS are Crazy ;)[10:30:31] *** kkaji` has joined #postfix[10:41:40] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[10:42:53] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[10:44:04] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[10:45:39] *** klem has joined #postfix[10:46:33] *** linux_jon has quit IRC[10:46:47] <klem> hi[10:48:24] <dan__t> hi[11:13:15] *** nuonguy has quit IRC[11:20:24] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[11:21:31] *** githogori_ has quit IRC[11:26:14] *** F6F has quit IRC[11:55:03] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[12:05:34] *** sed___ has joined #PostFix[12:05:54] *** sed_ has quit IRC[12:10:53] *** GoGi has joined #postfix[12:13:49] *** Zordrak_ is now known as Zordrak[12:17:18] *** cpm has joined #postfix[12:20:00] <maloi> hello, what's the best way to setup postfix, without giving users a shell login? I'd take virtual mailboxes, but perhaps there is a better way since i only have one doamin to receive mails for.[12:24:18] <Zerberus> maloi: creating local system users does not mean they must get a login shell[12:24:42] <Zerberus> you can do useradd with -s /bin/false or /bin/nologin[12:24:49] <loompek> maloi the safest way is using virtual mailboxes...[12:25:06] *** jtrm has quit IRC[12:25:21] <maloi> loompek: yeah think so to[12:26:18] <maloi> Zerberus: i think adding users is too much[12:28:01] <Zerberus> maloi: was just commenting that useraccounts do not mean to be able to login[12:29:11] <maloi> Zerberus: ok, i did know that, thanks anyway :)[12:34:14] <maloi> so $mydestination shouldn't contain the domain, right?[12:36:39] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[12:38:33] <Zerberus> maloi: right, a domain must either be local or virtual[12:39:38] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[12:40:02] <maloi> ok thanks[12:53:43] *** _bt has quit IRC[12:55:58] *** Filbert- has quit IRC[12:59:35] *** _bt has joined #postfix[12:59:49] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[13:08:14] *** Filbert- has joined #postfix[13:17:54] *** opzoli has joined #postfix[13:18:16] *** F6F has joined #postfix[13:19:58] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[13:22:23] *** peterosd has joined #postfix[13:24:18] <opzoli> hi all,[13:24:18] <opzoli> I hava toruble. I installed Postfix, Courier, MySQL And SquirrelMail on fc11. When I try to sending mail telnet loclahost 25...everything ok. But, no. Action failed: Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for dlsrvr.be-online.sk loops back to myself..[13:24:18] <opzoli> Everyone help me?[13:28:26] <goldie> what does google for 'X-Postfix "loops back to myself"' say?[13:38:57] <f3ew> !loopback[13:38:58] <knoba> f3ew: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[13:43:16] <opzoli> ok... I resolved.. the problem was in transport table...[13:43:22] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[13:43:23] <opzoli> thnx for all[13:45:57] *** jtaji has quit IRC[13:51:34] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[14:00:33] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[14:01:07] *** peterosd has left #postfix[14:02:55] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[14:08:16] <maloi> if i setup a virtual domain e.g. example.com will also mail to mail.example.com be accepted and delivered to the virtual mailboxes?[14:16:36] *** s0ber has quit IRC[14:18:33] *** scylla has quit IRC[14:19:42] *** F6F_ has joined #postfix[14:24:25] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[14:33:53] *** phyrrus has joined #postfix[14:43:44] *** InsolentDreams has quit IRC[14:44:10] *** AMI_POSTFIX has joined #postfix[14:44:12] *** denis_ has joined #postfix[14:45:07] *** AMI_POSTFIX has left #postfix[14:51:08] *** pinoyskull- has quit IRC[15:03:11] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[15:04:55] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[15:14:45] *** deadpigeon has joined #postfix[15:15:08] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[15:15:52] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[15:20:02] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[15:23:04] *** krix_ has quit IRC[15:23:36] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[15:25:43] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[15:38:09] <UdontKnow> which is the best DKIM implementation for interoperation with postfix nowadays?[15:40:17] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[15:40:21] <muh2000> in my opinion amavisd-new[15:42:01] <UdontKnow> muh2000: does it sign outgoing mail as well?[15:42:09] <muh2000> yes[15:42:14] <muh2000> even for multiple domains[15:42:27] <muh2000> that is the reason i use it :)[15:43:08] <muh2000> there is also a dkim signing gateway/proxy (different software) but i never managed to let it sign multiple domains.[15:44:18] <UdontKnow> ah, ok[15:46:50] <UdontKnow> well, amavisd-new has some features I need, but not that rich, so I'm probably writing a filter myself for these things[15:47:08] <UdontKnow> but I dont want to handle DKIM myself at this stage[15:47:20] <muh2000> ^^[15:48:23] <muh2000> if you want to write something like amavis but better (more user changable settings etc) i would be happy to see it as a final someday :D[15:52:05] <UdontKnow> unfortunately, thats a paid proprietary project I am writing for some organization, and I will not own rights to it[15:52:17] <muh2000> ^^[15:54:16] <UdontKnow> perhaps I'll use the idea later[15:54:22] <muh2000> :)[15:57:53] <UdontKnow> can I disable all the other stuff from amavisd-new and only use it as dkim?[15:58:07] <muh2000> i think so[16:05:07] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[16:05:11] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[16:06:35] *** SkyLeach has joined #postfix[16:06:43] *** aglet has joined #postfix[16:09:48] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[16:10:40] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[16:14:05] <UdontKnow> muh2000: using it as a milter or regular filter?[16:17:27] <muh2000> i think filter[16:17:41] *** appaji has joined #postfix[16:19:06] <appaji> If I have a postfix installation running on a machine mail.domain.com and I want to provide mail services for domain1.com and domain2.com, I would usually use virtual domains.[16:20:27] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[16:20:55] <appaji> But in case I want to keep it simple and just create system uses for domain1.com and domain2.com (assume they have different IDs), but I want mail for a certain user "user1" to be delivered via user1 at domain1 dot com and reject mail for user2 at domain2 dot com, do I still have to go the virtual domains way?[16:21:18] *** Zeit|awy has quit IRC[16:21:32] <appaji> I mean "mail for a certain user "user1" to be delivered via user1 at domain1 dot com and reject mail for user1 at domain2 dot com" (not user2 at domain2 dot com)[16:23:26] *** sophokles has quit IRC[16:28:41] *** ek has quit IRC[16:28:46] *** kmq has joined #postfix[16:29:15] *** phyrrus has quit IRC[16:36:01] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[16:37:39] <appaji> I just want to be able to return "550: User unknown" for user1 at domain2 dot com and user1 at mail dot domain.com[16:43:01] <lunaphyte> you want to list all of these domains in mydestination, in other words?[16:45:12] <appaji> lunaphyte: Yes, however, I don't want the system user "user1" to be able to receive mail as user1 at domain2 dot com or as user1 at mail dot domain.com but be able to receive mail only as user1 at domain1 dot com[16:46:40] <appaji> looks like check_recipient_access with "user1 at domain1 dot com OK" and "domain1.com REJECT" might word.[16:46:49] <appaji> :s/word/work/g[16:46:52] <appaji> I'll check[16:47:20] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[16:53:27] *** theblackbox has joined #postfix[16:55:47] *** opzoli has left #postfix[16:56:03] *** UdontKnow is now known as BlackKnight[16:57:04] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[16:57:14] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[16:57:53] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[17:04:47] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[17:06:34] *** burnersk has joined #postfix[17:13:49] *** theblackbox has quit IRC[17:14:45] *** Vince42 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ok I know what's up[17:54:56] *** burnersk has quit IRC[17:55:01] <pickcoder> port 80 is acting up too[17:56:46] *** GothAlice has joined #postfix[17:56:52] <GothAlice> I have a rather full /var/amavis/tmp 2664 items, each ~30MB, and is thus filling up disk space allocated to mail. Now that I fixed the underlying problem (dspam) how can I force amavis to process this queue?[17:57:57] <pickcoder> sysmonk: working now?[17:58:20] <pickcoder> oops.. wrong path[17:58:35] <pickcoder> no it's right[17:59:05] <pickcoder> nothing like coming into broken routing mon morn before caffeine[18:03:32] *** GoGi has quit IRC[18:05:15] <pickcoder> great.. one of the wireless antennas got hit yesterday[18:05:41] <pickcoder> our backup route isn't working that well because they're providing intermittant service[18:05:46] <pickcoder> ugh[18:06:00] <sysmonk> pickcoder: nope, the 12.17 doesn't work[18:06:08] <sysmonk> (i'm talking about smtp atleast)[18:06:10] <pickcoder> well it's going to be out for a couple of hours[18:06:16] *** Robbie__ has quit IRC[18:06:23] <pickcoder> but the problem is that mail to our cname doesn't come in[18:06:35] <sysmonk> pickcoder: i see you have some problems recently - power outages, routing problems :)[18:06:54] <pickcoder> well hell.. now I see why[18:06:59] <pickcoder> it only has one A record[18:07:08] <pickcoder> ugh[18:07:15] <pickcoder> sysmonk: I need a vacation[18:07:17] <pickcoder> bbiab[18:08:51] *** medusaXX has joined #postfix[18:08:56] <medusaXX> hi[18:11:44] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[18:11:46] *** ek has joined #Postfix[18:12:54] <sysmonk> pickcoder: i haven't had a vacation for um ... 2 years or so[18:13:22] <pickcoder> same here.. the last "vacation" I had (off call) was when the girls were born and it wasn't a vacation[18:13:34] <medusaXX> I have a content_filter=amavis.... in main.cf and as I want to disable it for certain domains, I created an access file with records for these domains[18:13:37] *** pingouin_ has quit IRC[18:13:52] <medusaXX> but what is the syntax in an access file for overriding the main.cf content_filter with "nothing" ?[18:14:00] <medusaXX> domain.tld FILTER none ?[18:14:03] <medusaXX> something like that?[18:16:26] <pickcoder> heh.. the newsletter server just ran out of disk space[18:16:32] <pickcoder> this week is starting out great[18:16:41] * pickcoder gets the hammers[18:17:08] *** pingouin has quit IRC[18:19:22] *** jtrm has quit IRC[18:19:37] *** phyrrus has joined #postfix[18:21:28] *** webchaos has joined #postfix[18:25:33] *** chack-1 has joined #postfix[18:25:40] <chack-1> hello all[18:25:51] <dan__t> 'morning![18:25:52] <thumbs> chack-1: all is not in today[18:26:34] <chack-1> i recive mails with destination like : postmaster at xxx dot com , but not postmaster at mail dot xxx.com[18:26:44] <chack-1> what should i do?[18:28:29] *** memiux has joined #postfix[18:28:35] <memiux> Hi, What I need to do to *require* AUTH in smtp (25) in order to allow send mails using my domains in the “MAIL FROM” field[18:29:59] *** phyrrus has quit IRC[18:30:47] *** cps0 has quit IRC[18:30:49] <medusaXX> chack-1: there is a configuration option that allows you to choose whether subdomains are included or not[18:30:57] <medusaXX> perhaps you need to turn it on[18:31:05] <dan__t> It appears that aliases are taking precedence over transport_maps. I understand they're different classes, but I don't know what qualifies them as such, how I can make those addresses deliverable via transport_maps instead of aliases, etc etc.[18:31:19] <medusaXX> chack-1: have you already checked your dns records?[18:31:31] <chack-1> what about masquerade_domains[18:32:44] <chack-1> yes medusaXX[18:32:57] <medusaXX> check man 5 postconf[18:33:00] <medusaXX> for "parent_domain_matches_subdomains"[18:33:17] <chack-1> medusaXX, is the same server[18:33:20] <medusaXX> apparently, you can also use the .xxx.com syntax to include subdomains[18:33:46] <medusaXX> I dont think masquerade is the appropriate configuration[18:33:48] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[18:35:21] *** mosez has joined #postfix[18:38:30] *** dugless has quit IRC[18:39:44] *** GothAlice has left #postfix[18:47:02] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[18:47:44] <mosez> i'm trying to setup an postfix server without virtual domains or addresses... but my mails are always gonna be bounced... why? i need some help... postconf -> http://pastie.org/586058[18:50:29] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[18:52:41] <mosez> receiving mails to local domain works, but sending does not work[19:00:15] <rob0> !basic[19:00:16] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[19:00:44] <rob0> What kind of "tutorial" did you follow? It's terrible.[19:01:24] <mosez> i have always built postfix with virtual domains, everything is working... thats the first time i'm trying to setup a postfix with 2 local mail adresses on 1 local domain[19:02:21] <rob0> "default_transport = error" ? Again I ask, who/what advised you to do that, and why?[19:03:43] <mosez> hum, can not find it again :([19:03:59] *** diqpib has quit IRC[19:04:05] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[19:04:07] <mosez> it was a howto for postfix on debian with local domains only[19:04:12] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[19:04:59] *** eanxgeek_ has quit IRC[19:08:05] *** nuonguy has joined #postfix[19:09:57] *** Gerdesas___ has joined #postfix[19:11:19] <mosez> rob0: i have changed everything a little bit... now it sends my mails http://pastie.org/586082[19:12:49] *** hever has quit IRC[19:13:24] <rob0> I would throw it away and start again with !basic[19:13:55] *** hever has joined #postfix[19:14:14] <mosez> i have got used the !basic stuff[19:14:47] <thumbs> you got used stuff? Why? Get new![19:15:23] <mosez> but it's in my confirguration?[19:15:51] <dan__t> Ok. Why don't transport_maps work? Why do mails get sent based on data from /etc/aliases?[19:15:51] <mosez> sending and reciving works fine now... but connecting to imap does not work atm[19:15:56] <dan__t> What am I doing wrong?[19:15:58] <thumbs> !imap[19:15:59] <knoba> thumbs: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[19:16:17] <thumbs> mosez: see that ^^[19:16:31] <rob0> !tell mosez basic[19:16:36] <mosez> thumbs: i'm looking for the bug on my dovecot config ;)[19:18:48] <mosez> rob0: i know this page now. and i understodd the domain, relay, hostname and network stuff. so what's bad on my configuration?[19:19:16] *** BlackKnight is now known as UdontKnow[19:19:18] <rob0> dan__t: you wanting a WAG here?[19:19:31] <dan__t> Sorry?[19:19:58] <mosez> *confused*[19:20:15] <mosez> !dovecot[19:20:15] <knoba> mosez: "dovecot" : http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; recent versions can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix 2.3+.[19:25:14] *** clockspider has quit IRC[19:26:39] *** hever_ has joined #postfix[19:26:49] *** hever has quit IRC[19:27:11] *** Gerdesas has quit IRC[19:31:41] *** hever_ has quit IRC[19:31:51] *** hever_ has joined #postfix[19:32:31] *** Pazzo has quit IRC[19:32:57] *** hever_ is now known as hever[19:33:24] *** Gerdesas___ has quit IRC[19:33:25] *** ek has quit IRC[19:33:52] *** Gerdesas has joined #postfix[19:43:29] *** cilly has joined #postfix[19:46:10] *** WorkRaoul has quit IRC[19:46:44] *** Gerdesas___ has joined #postfix[19:47:54] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[19:51:19] *** chack-1 has quit IRC[19:51:58] *** Gerdesas___ has quit IRC[19:52:31] *** Gerdesas___ has joined #postfix[19:56:37] *** hever has quit IRC[20:01:06] *** WorkRaoul has joined #postfix[20:03:57] <dan__t> rob0, define: WAG[20:04:33] *** Gerdesas has quit IRC[20:04:54] <rob0> WAG: wild-ass guess[20:05:25] *** Gerdesas has joined #postfix[20:06:45] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[20:10:44] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[20:12:11] <dan__t> haha. No, I've taken plenty of those myself.[20:18:02] *** webchaos has quit IRC[20:18:20] *** bluethundr_ has joined #postfix[20:22:02] *** Gerdesas___ has quit IRC[20:24:02] *** webchaos has joined #postfix[20:25:08] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[20:34:11] *** Markus has joined #postfix[20:36:32] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[20:37:45] *** webtango has joined #postfix[20:43:08] *** appaji has quit IRC[20:44:34] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[20:45:25] *** paulez has quit IRC[20:46:56] *** Markus has quit IRC[20:47:11] *** hugo has joined #postfix[20:49:17] *** paulez has joined #postfix[20:50:57] *** felix_da_catz has joined #postfix[20:52:30] *** Gerdesas___ has joined #postfix[20:52:36] *** Gerdesas has quit IRC[20:53:54] *** webchaos has quit IRC[21:00:26] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[21:00:46] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[21:07:00] *** medusaXX has quit IRC[21:07:47] *** medusaXX has joined #postfix[21:08:28] *** medusaXX has quit IRC[21:09:48] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[21:15:02] <KB1JWQ> Did Linux_jon ever sort out his nonsense?[21:15:19] *** higuita has quit IRC[21:15:36] <KB1JWQ> ~[21:16:28] *** ariel_ has joined #postfix[21:18:07] *** Gerdesas___ is now known as Gerdesas[21:20:00] <ariel_> is there any way send an email via command line (or shell script) that by passes the settings of the install postfix ? example sendmail -f asteris -t testsystema at emailserver dot com -m testing sending email -s 10.200.80.6:25[21:20:36] *** nuonguy has quit IRC[21:22:46] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[21:23:12] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[21:25:11] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[21:28:05] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[21:29:48] <cpm> ariel_, you could do an smtp session manually.[21:29:53] <cpm> s/an/a[21:31:02] <ariel_> how is that done?[21:31:35] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[21:31:39] *** LinuxCode_aw has joined #postfix[21:31:57] *** JiMMyJaKAzz has quit IRC[21:32:06] <ariel_> brb seems my network connect is about to drop.[21:32:35] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[21:33:55] *** speedwagon has joined #postfix[21:35:04] *** bluethundr_ has quit IRC[21:35:08] *** ariel_ has quit IRC[21:35:18] *** speedwagon is now known as ariel_[21:37:04] *** bluethundr has joined #postfix[21:38:09] *** f00f has joined #postfix[21:40:27] *** timotiCK1 has joined #POSTFIX[21:41:16] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[21:41:29] <f00f> heyy[21:41:31] <f00f> guys[21:41:45] <f00f> i'm running postfix for our daily weekly monthly newsletters for our sites[21:42:03] <f00f> is it possible to automate bounce mails from the queue[21:42:18] <f00f> i'm just coming along after someone else configured this[21:42:39] <pickcoder> !verf[21:42:40] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "verf" is not a valid command.[21:42:50] <f00f> i'm sure since sendmail postfix has been around for so long tha tthere's definitely a set of scripts or a program running bounces on auto![21:42:50] <pickcoder> !verp[21:42:51] <knoba> pickcoder: "verp" : http://www.postfix.org/VERP_README.html[21:42:53] <f00f> there just has to be :)[21:42:54] <pickcoder> I can't not type today[21:43:20] <pickcoder> gah..[21:43:58] *** Gerdesas has quit IRC[21:44:02] <f00f> ok so i read up on verp all it does is lets you kno who is returning a bounce from an individual in a group mail as opposed to the group bounce back itself[21:44:03] <f00f> correct[21:44:05] <f00f> and thats all[21:45:13] *** Gerdesas has joined #postfix[21:45:29] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:46:38] <pickcoder> f00f: yeah basically[21:46:53] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[21:49:02] *** higuita has joined #postfix[21:49:18] <f00f> pickcoder, well what about for bounce handling... there isnt a AIO solution for e-mail bounce handling in postfix ?[21:50:15] <pickcoder> AIO?[21:53:01] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[21:54:12] <rob0> All-in-one, and no, Postfix is a MTA, not a mailing list manager nor a mail processing system.[21:54:20] <pickcoder> oh[21:54:42] <pickcoder> ~bounce_notice_recipient[21:54:44] <pickcoder> !bounce_notice_recipient[21:54:44] <knoba> pickcoder: "bounce_notice_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The recipient of the message headers of mail that Postfix did not deliver and of SMTP conversation transcripts of mail that Postfix did not receive. This feature is enabled with the notify_classes parameter.[21:55:11] <pickcoder> you can have all bounces go to a pipe alias and do your work there[21:56:59] <pickcoder> typos in the secure.conf[21:57:00] <pickcoder> nice[21:57:45] <pickcoder> last two lines of /etc/log.d/logfiles/secure.conf have asterisks in the front[21:57:56] <pickcoder> that had to have been part of the original package[21:58:05] <pickcoder> I've not touched this since it was installed[21:58:47] <pickcoder> hm[21:59:10] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[21:59:25] <pickcoder> ok so asterisk statements are directives...[21:59:29] <pickcoder> ugh[21:59:37] * pickcoder gives up[22:00:22] <pickcoder> ignore me[22:02:00] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[22:07:47] <pickcoder> stuff is alive again I think[22:10:14] *** webtango has quit IRC[22:12:52] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[22:13:16] *** thumbs has quit IRC[22:13:50] *** limx has joined #postfix[22:13:55] <limx> hey[22:14:22] *** cilly has quit IRC[22:14:24] <limx> is there a very simplie tutorial for setting up a postfix mail server?[22:14:32] <limx> i only want to send mails from my web scripts[22:14:34] <pickcoder> !basic[22:14:34] <knoba> pickcoder: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[22:14:39] <pickcoder> !standard[22:14:39] <knoba> pickcoder: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[22:14:45] <limx> thank you[22:15:14] *** cilly has joined #postfix[22:15:33] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[22:16:28] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[22:26:59] *** pingouin has quit IRC[22:27:21] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[22:29:50] *** thumbs has quit IRC[22:30:46] <limx> i have a MX record configured with the hostname mail.mydomain.com that point to mail.mydomain.com[22:30:50] <limx> is this right?[22:31:12] <limx> or should it be mail.mydomain.com > mydomain.com[22:31:32] <pickcoder> the MX record is to tell servers that mail for mydomain.com goes to mail.mydomain.com[22:31:40] <pickcoder> mail.mydomain.com should have an A record[22:31:46] *** chesty has quit IRC[22:31:47] <pickcoder> and a proper PTR too[22:31:58] <limx> A record is there[22:32:03] <limx> what is a PTR?[22:32:04] <pickcoder> so the MX should be on the main domain[22:32:27] <pickcoder> ugh.. awstat is complaining about log permissions[22:32:53] <limx> pickcoder: so: hostname: mail.mydomain.com -> destination: mydomain.com ?[22:33:11] <pickcoder> uh.. no[22:33:19] <pickcoder> unless mydomain.com and mail.mydomain.com are the same server[22:33:26] <limx> same server[22:33:36] <pickcoder> the MX record just tells SMTP servers that mail for @mydomain.com should go to mail.mydomain.com[22:34:00] <limx> then it should be the other way around?[22:34:04] <pickcoder> mail.mydomain.com should have an A (IP) and a PTR ( reverse name for the IP)[22:34:32] *** denis_ has quit IRC[22:35:09] <pickcoder> limx: you MX should be configured for mydomain.com and it should contain the hostname of the SMTP server[22:35:14] <pickcoder> s/you/your[22:35:45] <limx> so, if both are the same it should be mydomain.com -> mydomain.com?[22:35:57] <pickcoder> if you do that you don't need an MX[22:36:08] <limx> okay[22:36:10] <pickcoder> you just need to make sure mydomain.com resolves properly[22:36:10] *** sadf has joined #postfix[22:36:19] *** chesty has joined #postfix[22:36:28] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[22:36:32] <pickcoder> I prefer to established a separate hostname for mail[22:36:37] <pickcoder> meh I can't type[22:36:43] <pickcoder> ~establush[22:36:49] * pickcoder gives[22:37:05] <limx> i see if it find the configuration tool on domain factory's admin interface[22:37:21] <limx> i've never seen such a bad admin interface[22:37:27] <pickcoder> they're all bad[22:37:39] <pickcoder> because they're not for admins[22:38:05] <pickcoder> directnic's isn't horrible, but it is a bit limited[22:38:53] <limx> A, MX, CNAME, NS, AAA, SPF, SRV, TXT[22:39:01] <limx> which one is for reverse dns? :)[22:39:11] <pickcoder> none?[22:39:16] <limx> grml[22:39:19] <pickcoder> the owner of the IP range has to set that up[22:39:27] <limx> ah i see[22:39:42] <limx> so my server provider, not the domain provider[22:40:02] <pickcoder> your IP is from that provider?[22:40:12] <pickcoder> or your ISP?[22:41:10] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[22:42:11] *** cloxie has quit IRC[22:44:16] <limx> pickcoder: actually hetzner[22:44:31] <limx> but I am at a vserver reseller[22:44:34] <limx> carrot server[22:45:16] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[22:49:31] *** hparker has joined #postfix[22:50:10] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[22:50:51] *** bluethundr has quit IRC[22:56:07] *** Zeit|awy has joined #postfix[23:03:47] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[23:05:45] <f00f> anyone know of any mailing list manager or a mail processing systems for use with postfix ?[23:06:05] <pickcoder> f00f: mailman?[23:06:10] <pickcoder> majordomo[23:06:14] <pickcoder> etc[23:06:20] <pickcoder> they don't really care that MTA is under them[23:06:43] <f00f> mailman ?[23:06:47] <f00f> majordomo[23:06:50] <f00f> hrmm list managers[23:09:20] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[23:10:27] *** jmedina has quit IRC[23:11:34] *** LinuxCode_aw has joined #postfix[23:13:05] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[23:13:08] *** LinuxCode_aw is now known as LinuxCode[23:13:37] *** LinuxCode is now known as Guest49166[23:14:16] *** LinuxCode_aw has joined #postfix[23:14:58] *** LinuxCode_aw has quit IRC[23:15:57] *** LinuxCode_aw has joined #postfix[23:16:27] *** pwasek has joined #postfix[23:16:32] *** Vince421 has joined #postfix[23:16:46] <pwasek> im getting this error message from postfix arning: connect #1 to subsystem private/zarafa: Connection refused[23:16:50] *** Vince421 has quit IRC[23:16:50] *** LinuxCode_aw is now known as LinuxCode[23:16:51] <pwasek> any suggestions[23:17:20] *** LinuxCode is now known as Guest45790[23:17:44] <KB1JWQ> pwasek: Yes. I suggest you read the /topic[23:17:53] *** Guest45790 is now known as LinuxCode[23:18:00] <seekwill> /topics are for wussies[23:18:51] *** memiux has quit IRC[23:19:48] * pickcoder hides his /topic[23:22:54] *** s0ber has quit IRC[23:23:06] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[23:24:42] *** webchaos has joined #postfix[23:25:29] *** pingouin has quit IRC[23:26:52] *** f00f has quit IRC[23:31:42] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[23:33:19] *** hparker has quit IRC[23:35:43] *** war9407 has quit IRC[23:35:56] *** kmq has quit IRC[23:37:08] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[23:38:13] *** hparker has joined #postfix[23:41:51] *** ariel_ has quit IRC[23:42:00] *** webchaos has quit IRC[23:43:04] *** mxey has joined #postfix[23:43:07] *** jra has joined #postfix[23:44:39] <mxey> I am using Postfix with smtp_tls_security_level = fingerprint, yet I get certificate verification errors because of self-signed certificates.[23:44:58] *** hparker has quit IRC[23:48:05] <lunaphyte> certificate verification errors where?[23:48:45] <mxey> In my syslog.[23:49:10] <lunaphyte> !tell mxey welcome[23:50:04] <mxey> http://sprunge.us/PGSX[23:51:32] *** hugo has quit IRC[23:52:28] <KB1JWQ> !welcome[23:52:28] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "welcome" : welcome to #postfix! if you're joining for the first time, or are new to irc, the first thing you'll want to do is read the channel topic (/topic). it includes crucial instructions on how to effectively ask for help here, and what data you should include with your questions. the degree of success you'll have is directly related to how effectively you're able to follow those guidelines.[23:52:34] <KB1JWQ> That must be new. :) And useful.[23:53:18] <mxey> I just assumed it was obvious that error messages are taken from the logfiles.[23:53:50] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[23:55:27] *** eye69_ has quit IRC[23:55:42] *** eye69 has joined #postfix[23:55:42] *** webchaos has joined #postfix[23:56:21] *** Sputnikk23 has joined #postfix[23:56:21] *** hparker has joined #postfix[23:57:07] <Sputnikk23> i can check my email via dovecot with an established user/pass on my CentOS but when I try to SMTP email out it fails authentication. Postfix uses some other method of authentication?[23:58:54] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[23:59:15] <pickcoder> Sputnikk23: it uses whatever you configured it to use for sasl[23:59:17] <pickcoder> !sasl[23:59:17] <knoba> pickcoder: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.