August 11, 2009 
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August 11, 2009 [00:00:08] <KB1JWQ> "My consulting rate is $x an hour, four hour minimum."[00:00:23] <pickcoder> KB1JWQ: do you know which param needs to be set?[00:00:23] <KB1JWQ> And x should NOT be small; if they can't debrief you properly during your notice period, it's THEIR problem.[00:00:23] *** makerc has quit IRC[00:00:30] <KB1JWQ> pickcoder: What're you using to process DKIM?[00:00:33] <pickcoder> enable_dkim_verification is set to 1[00:00:35] <pickcoder> amavisd-new[00:00:38] <KB1JWQ> I'm using the milter here.[00:00:40] <pickcoder> oh[00:00:51] <KB1JWQ> pickcoder: So "probably not" unfortunately.[00:01:26] *** bluethundr_ has joined #postfix[00:01:49] <lunaphyte> i've been contemplating what obligation i might possibly have, being in a scenario where i was the sole keeper of a large amount of this information. (and also what obligation might be claimed that i have, as i have severance pay coming, but not yet delivered.)[00:03:21] <lunaphyte> the worst part is he's doing it under the auspices of some sort of friendship, implying that i'd do it to help him out as a friend, because he's "left holding the bag"[00:03:43] *** hever has quit IRC[00:04:48] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: does your employment agreement state that you must provide that information for X days after termination?[00:05:39] <lunaphyte> KB1JWQ: the debriefing comment is an interesting point. my notice period was approx. 30 min, after which my co-workers were told that i wasn't to be let back into the building.[00:05:59] <lunaphyte> pickcoder: hmm, that's a good question. i think i have a handbook here somewhere still. i'll have to look.[00:06:57] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: They fired you?[00:07:36] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: I'd take it as "I have other projects going on now; if you want my help you can get in line."[00:07:53] <pickcoder> if not, screw 'em if you don't care about your bridges[00:08:20] <pickcoder> also, your severace package could also come with "strings"[00:08:26] <pickcoder> but it'd have to be in writing[00:08:57] <pickcoder> if they didn't enforce logins and such to be documented or shared between more than one person then it's their own fault for not getting it[00:09:13] *** cps0 has quit IRC[00:09:19] <lunaphyte> KB1JWQ: yes, very much so. my position was eliminated. i literally had zero notice until i walked in the door of the boss' office. (excluding the overall aspects of the company not doing well as a whole)[00:09:33] <pickcoder> SA doesn't appear to be testing DKIM sigs[00:10:01] <lunaphyte> pickcoder: yeah, the severance agreement has plenty of strings, although i don't recall specific references to that sort of thing. but i'll have to take another look.[00:10:07] *** aditsu has quit IRC[00:10:09] <lunaphyte> aha, i found a handbook.[00:10:50] <pickcoder> if it's not written down... like KB1JWQ said, tell them you now have consulting time that is no longer free to them[00:11:17] <pickcoder> or rather.. they still have to pay for[00:11:33] <KB1JWQ> If my boss tells me I'm now unemployed, I hope he's got all the data he wants from me. They can ask me questions like that in the exit interview, but once I'm out the door my time is my own.[00:11:37] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[00:11:56] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: Were you specifically targetted, or was it a general layoff?[00:17:54] <lunaphyte> it was a general layoff. however, the circumstances within which my particular name came up for inclusion leave me with many questions. that may well just be my personal feelings surfacing though.[00:18:21] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: Any luck finding new work?[00:18:41] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: Not sure if you're near Los Angeles or not, but we're hiring.[00:20:02] *** bluethundr_ has quit IRC[00:20:05] <lunaphyte> i've been regrouping over the last week, trying to update a 9 year old resume and filing for unemployment, so nothing yet, but in fairness, i've not yet started seriously looking.[00:21:25] <lunaphyte> i appreciate the thought. i'm in sw michigan, and not much of a city person (we moved here from nyc to get a change)[00:24:00] *** uqlev has quit IRC[00:24:39] <KB1JWQ> lunaphyte: I was just out in Chicago this weekend, I'd have bought you a beer if I'd known you were local.[00:26:21] *** internat has quit IRC[00:27:01] <lunaphyte> oh, cool. yeah, we're about 2.5-3 hours from there.[00:27:32] *** jangell has joined #postfix[00:27:49] *** Muhis has quit IRC[00:29:14] *** internat has joined #postfix[00:34:48] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:42:04] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[00:43:01] <pickcoder> hm I'm seeing maildrop permission errors[00:44:26] <pickcoder> mail_queue_enter[00:48:37] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[00:53:11] <pickcoder> well I can not get add_header to work[00:54:32] <pickcoder> time to hit the road[00:54:33] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[01:04:08] *** seekwill has quit IRC[01:07:43] <lunaphyte> well, i found this in the handbook: "upon termination of employment, or at any time the company requests, all memoranda, notes, passwords, records, reports, manuals, drawings, and other documents of a confidential nature belonging to the company, including all copies of such materials, must promptly be delivered to the company"[01:11:10] *** magyar has joined #postfix[01:14:22] <Dominian> lunaphyte: well, they don't state in what "form"[01:14:26] * Dominian pictures a shredder[01:14:34] <lunaphyte> haha[01:14:52] <lunaphyte> very true. :)[01:15:02] <lunaphyte> how about after i took my dog for a walk?[01:16:36] *** pingouin has quit IRC[01:17:48] <Dominian> heh[01:18:08] <Dominian> So they let you go eh?[01:18:16] <lunaphyte> yup[01:18:24] <Dominian> "*shrreeeeeeeed*"[01:18:26] <Dominian> hehe[01:18:45] <Dominian> The first company I worked for... I thought something was up... so I had a scrip tready on my machine...[01:18:54] <Dominian> the day they let me go.. they let me go back to my desk to get my things...[01:19:01] <Dominian> the rest is history[01:20:13] <lunaphyte> nice.[01:20:42] <Dominian> yah.. one double-click[01:20:42] <Dominian> wiped it out[01:20:46] <Dominian> and I had some important emails in there for a project I was working on :D[01:29:32] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[01:30:11] <rob0> KB1JWQ should have bought me a beer. I'm only 9-10 hours from Chicago.[01:32:30] <lunaphyte> i'm not a drinker, so i would have given you mine.[01:35:07] *** madrescher has quit IRC[01:37:46] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[01:38:19] <jluedke> is there a way to access headers with a postfix SMTP access policy delegation?[01:38:31] <lunaphyte> no[01:38:58] <rob0> headers are in the body, policy daemons don't see the body.[01:39:17] <jluedke> how about milter?[01:39:24] <rob0> maybe a milter exists which does what you want[01:40:18] <lunaphyte> yes, milters see the data component of the smtp conversation.[01:41:07] <jluedke> anyone used perl Sendmail::Milter successfully with postfix?[01:41:32] <jluedke> started looking at it but realized it used threaded perl[01:43:06] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[01:43:52] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[01:53:58] <jluedke> humm, do milters get applied before or after qfile creation?[01:54:00] <KB1JWQ> rob0: Where do you live?[01:55:41] * Dominian slaps KB1JWQ[01:55:42] <rob0> NW AL, USA, near Florence[01:55:48] <Dominian> KB1JWQ: Get your channels straight mister![01:57:28] <KB1JWQ> rob0: And that's 8 hours from Chicago?[01:57:49] <KB1JWQ> rob0: I want what you fly, apparently.[01:58:02] <rob0> I said 9-10[01:58:11] *** znag has quit IRC[01:58:25] *** znag has joined #postfix[01:58:27] <rob0> maybe 8 to the Gary area[02:00:02] *** sjrussel has joined #postfix[02:03:23] *** GoGi has quit IRC[02:05:11] <jluedke> well, i guess the doc says that milters all happen before mail is queued.[02:05:35] <jluedke> That mean smtpd buffers data before sending to cleanup?[02:05:45] *** jmedina has quit IRC[02:11:24] *** cps0 has quit IRC[02:16:26] *** F6F has quit IRC[02:20:35] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[02:22:22] *** jangell has quit IRC[02:24:13] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[02:25:54] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[02:28:40] <jluedke> so listed under "Limitations" in the milter readme it states. "Milter applications have access only to the SMTP command information; they have no access to the message header or body, and cannot make modifications to the message or to the envelope"[02:28:46] *** meaton2veggies has joined #postfix[02:29:32] <jluedke> is that only if you are also using stuff described in SMTPD_PROXY_README.html[02:29:51] <lunaphyte> only if used before queue.[02:30:11] <meaton2veggies> hi everyone[02:30:48] <jluedke> lunaphyte: what exactly does before queue mean in this contex?[02:32:09] <jluedke> I thought milters were applied before queue?[02:32:12] <meaton2veggies> got a slight query about relaying mail thru open relay on internal network - i am able to send the mail through but it's going to the mail alias address spec in /etc/aliases was also trying to use generic maps to rewrite the mail addresses going to this relay host (so they would be accepted)[02:33:02] <meaton2veggies> problem is that mail is sent to different target (external) address but im just receiving the mail at the alias address and not the TO address[02:36:04] *** kisisten has joined #postfix[02:37:05] *** magyar has quit IRC[02:39:22] *** thumbs has joined #postfix[02:46:41] *** s0ber has quit IRC[02:48:49] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[02:48:51] *** meaton2veggies has left #postfix[02:50:07] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[02:53:23] *** cps0_ has joined #postfix[02:53:27] *** cps0 has quit IRC[02:53:30] *** cps0_ has quit IRC[02:53:44] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[03:12:43] *** aixenv has quit IRC[03:12:50] *** hparker has quit IRC[03:14:53] *** madrescher has quit IRC[03:17:31] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[03:20:00] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[03:21:35] *** linguini has quit IRC[03:28:03] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:51:21] *** cps0 has quit IRC[04:00:31] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|afk[04:04:37] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[04:08:38] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[04:10:13] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[04:17:54] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[04:33:32] *** ramoni has quit IRC[04:47:19] *** kisisten has quit IRC[04:47:36] *** magyar has joined #postfix[05:06:23] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[05:17:53] *** TheAvatar has quit IRC[05:18:55] *** TheAvatar has joined #postfix[05:23:41] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[05:35:42] *** xpeed has quit IRC[05:38:25] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[05:44:18] *** sako has joined #postfix[05:44:37] *** clockspider_ has joined #postfix[05:44:51] <sako> hey all i am findgin some great articles about mysql+postfix but i can't seem to find anything for postgresql, anyone know of a good tutorial that shows how to use postfix with postgresql[05:44:55] *** clockspider has quit IRC[05:44:55] <sako> ?[05:45:14] <Motoko-chan> Check the Postfix wiki?[05:45:39] <Motoko-chan> postfixwiki.og[05:45:42] <Motoko-chan> ...[05:45:45] <Motoko-chan> postfixwiki.org[05:45:57] <Motoko-chan> It's unofficial, but it has some good info[05:50:01] *** jens_ has joined #postfix[05:52:51] *** knipster has joined #postfix[06:00:49] *** githogori_ has joined #postfix[06:06:02] *** yajith has joined #postfix[06:06:39] *** jens__ has quit IRC[06:12:32] *** AcTiVaTe has joined #postfix[06:14:56] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:25:42] *** darkphader has joined #postfix[06:26:10] *** darkphader has quit IRC[06:31:03] *** F6F has joined #postfix[06:32:23] *** orlok has joined #postfix[06:32:37] <orlok> Does anybody know of an IRC channel regarding spam/blacklists?[06:34:10] <Dominian> orlok: not off hand but you can try /msg alis list *spam*[06:36:14] <orlok> Cheers...[06:36:23] <orlok> SORBS must not be allowed to live![06:36:38] <Dominian> SORBS needs to live.[06:36:46] <orlok> Uhh, no - Its broken.[06:36:50] <orlok> Severerly.[06:36:54] <Dominian> Its been broken.[06:37:00] <Dominian> for a while now[06:37:23] <orlok> nobody would use it if the person that ran it as a part time hobby actually put up statistics on how many incorrect listings they had[06:37:24] <Motoko-chan> SORBS needs to be put out of its misery.[06:37:44] <Dominian> hey now, some of those RBLs weren't bad[06:37:54] <orlok> and the thing is, most of the complaints regarding SORBS are not actually due to spam, despite the $50 delisting fee[06:37:58] * Motoko-chan finds SpamCop often has issues with legit things too[06:38:08] <Dominian> I just use spamhaus[06:38:13] <orlok> its the pathetic attempt to decide who can or cannot send email and pushing their own RFC that gets me[06:38:42] <Dominian> well SORBS is going away anyway I thought[06:38:46] <Dominian> unless the guy found hosting[06:38:47] <orlok> Motoko-chan: SORBS will repratedly list large static ranges as dynamic because they dont comply with an RFC draft the sorbs owner created.[06:39:04] <orlok> Dominian: she is apparently moving to malta for 4 years to run it and become a millionaire[06:39:14] <Dominian> eh[06:39:14] <KB1JWQ> I'm a fan of SORBS personally.[06:39:18] <orlok> Oh - She also has severe mental issues.[06:39:21] <Dominian> Is this the same thing..[06:39:32] <KB1JWQ> orlok: Okay, now you're just descending into ad hominem.[06:39:32] <Dominian> Where it WAS hosted at some college and they decided to not renew the contract?[06:39:44] <orlok> I would not let that person manage anything that potentially affected a customer[06:39:55] <KB1JWQ> orlok: So don't use it. Back to topic, please.[06:40:06] <orlok> Dominian: Yup. The university was hosting it for free in exchange for use of sorbs, which is free anyway.[06:40:36] <orlok> KB1JWQ: Its not a matter of me using it, the problem is they repeatedly list static ranges i use as dynamic.[06:41:22] <Dominian> We see what you mean.[06:41:28] <Dominian> but that's offtopic for this channel.[06:41:33] <Dominian> Please try to keep it related to postfix.[06:42:33] <orlok> KB1JWQ: The person that runs it stated that it was going to close down. Now on the sorbs home page they are saying that its not, despite the FUD other people have been spreading. I dont get it. Thats all.[06:42:34] <orlok> Cyas[06:42:37] *** orlok has left #postfix[06:42:48] <Dominian> ok..[06:43:00] <Dominian> apparently ranting and pissing then /quit is the new way to say "I won" ...[06:43:14] <KB1JWQ> Apparently. :)[06:51:22] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[06:53:05] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[06:55:10] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[06:56:33] *** sako has quit IRC[06:57:12] *** BlackNet has quit IRC[06:58:09] *** Vince42 has quit IRC[07:03:40] <TomHome> orlok, I remember him[07:04:04] <TomHome> for the sorbs news, he already made a lot of noise 3 months ago[07:07:45] *** yajith has quit IRC[07:09:32] *** cwright_ has joined #postfix[07:09:33] *** cwright has quit IRC[07:09:37] *** tris has quit IRC[07:09:46] *** tris has joined #postfix[07:10:48] *** yajith has joined #postfix[07:12:58] *** sako has joined #postfix[07:16:37] *** BlackNet has joined #postfix[07:18:01] *** amrit|afk is now known as amrit[07:33:31] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[07:50:41] *** ashwinmuni has quit IRC[07:53:28] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[07:59:50] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[08:05:16] *** KMDave has joined #postfix[08:06:14] <KMDave> hello, i've got a question about mails in the queue. is there a way to see the senders IP? reason is that there are a lot of spam mails in the queue and i want to check if they are sent by an infected machine on our network[08:08:04] <KB1JWQ> KMDave: mailq doesn't display that for you?[08:08:08] <KB1JWQ> KMDave: You could use pfqueue[08:08:44] <KMDave> KB1JWQ: it just shows the sender as MAILER-DAEMON[08:08:54] <KMDave> so just being curious if i can see where it originally comes from[08:09:03] <KB1JWQ> pfqueue lets you look at 'em individually.[08:09:22] <KB1JWQ> postcat will do the same but more onerously.[08:09:42] <KMDave> ok, thank you i will check it :)[08:12:30] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[08:24:14] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:26:15] *** Niemi has quit IRC[08:29:12] *** burnersk has joined #postfix[08:29:43] *** burnersk has quit IRC[08:41:56] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[08:41:57] *** KMDave has left #postfix[08:49:24] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[08:54:54] *** sako has quit IRC[09:11:47] *** knoba has quit IRC[09:11:53] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[09:13:44] *** knoba` is now known as knoba[09:13:52] *** Signum has quit IRC[09:14:04] *** micw has joined #postfix[09:14:06] <micw> hi[09:15:56] <micw> i discovered that we have a lot of false-positives using spamass-milter, especially for authenticated users. i have added smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header=yes and the mails (when sent to the client) have this header. but i'm unable to create a spamassassin rule matching this header[09:16:05] <micw> i guess that when milter passes[09:16:15] <micw> the mail to spamd, the header is not yet pressent[09:16:32] *** Signum has joined #postfix[09:19:07] *** polaru has joined #postfix[09:19:38] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[09:23:22] *** zeleni_obad has joined #postfix[09:26:51] *** hever has joined #postfix[09:40:07] *** zeleni_obad has quit IRC[09:43:22] *** Robbie__ has joined #postfix[09:49:29] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:52:15] *** ewook has quit IRC[09:52:41] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:53:57] *** amrit is now known as amrit|zzz[09:57:32] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[09:57:53] *** hever has quit IRC[09:58:34] *** hever has joined #postfix[10:04:07] <sysmonk> (offtopic) does anyone of you use xen and can give me some info about it (pm pm :P )[10:09:30] *** Severed_Head_of_ has joined #postfix[10:11:59] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[10:14:37] *** sep has quit IRC[10:16:08] *** sep has joined #postfix[10:20:53] *** clockspider_ has quit IRC[10:39:44] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:42:35] <micw> sysmonk, i do[10:42:49] <micw> but why your'e not going to #xen?[10:44:46] <sysmonk> micw: i'm there, don't worry :)[10:44:58] <micw> ^^[10:45:07] <sysmonk> micw: but nobody answers my question (although people are talking out there, and one question was answered, but the second one wasn't )[10:45:10] <micw> i use xen on all our production machines[10:45:23] <sysmonk> micw: how do you monitor the xen HW node utilization[10:45:29] <sysmonk> not seperate dom's, but the whole node[10:46:24] <micw> what do you mean with hw node utilization? load/memory,...?[10:46:36] <sysmonk> and cpu[10:46:42] <sysmonk> especially cpu[10:47:11] <f3ew> yop?[10:47:14] <f3ew> top[10:47:53] <f3ew> Are you looking for domU usage?[10:48:18] <sysmonk> f3ew: no, for _whole_ node cpu usage[10:48:30] <sysmonk> with all domU's and dom0[10:49:21] <LinuxCode> virt-top ?!?!?[10:49:44] <micw> we use nagios for monitoring. so if i would like to do this, i'd write a simple script that uses xm or xentop top check the cpus on all nodes and output it in nagios' format[10:50:15] <micw> is there a better (i.e. maintained) milter script for spamasassin than spamass-milter?[10:50:31] <micw> ther are so many open bugs, the last release is 3 years old :-([10:50:43] <micw> debian has >15 patches for it ;-)[10:51:39] <sysmonk> k, i'm afk for lunch, thanks for info[10:51:55] <micw> np[10:54:44] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[11:00:55] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[11:03:09] *** TomHome has quit IRC[11:10:19] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[11:14:26] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[11:16:03] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[11:17:18] *** sophokles has quit IRC[11:18:50] *** joobie has joined #postfix[11:19:37] <joobie> hey guys.. can someone lend a hand troubleshooting a "User unknown in virtual alias table" error? I've double checked and the domain exists in virtual_alias_domains and the email im sending to also exists in virtual_alias_maps ?[11:19:42] <joobie> not sure why im getting this still...[11:20:05] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[11:20:30] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[11:26:13] <Zerberus> joobie: did you run a manual postmap query against the virtual_alias_maps?[11:28:54] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[11:29:12] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[11:40:43] *** _infidel has joined #postfix[11:41:33] *** _infidel has quit IRC[11:42:31] *** _infidel has joined #postfix[11:48:09] <lennard> !submission[11:48:11] <knoba> lennard: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409.[11:48:46] *** GoGi has joined #postfix[11:52:51] *** GoGi2 has joined #postfix[11:52:53] *** GoGi has quit IRC[11:53:14] *** GoGi2 is now known as GoGi[11:59:17] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[11:59:29] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[12:02:07] *** separatrix has joined #postfix[12:12:53] <theblackbox> how does postfix encrypt user passwords? sorry if this seems vague, but I can't figure out what standard my db stores passwords in so can't change things manually[12:19:32] <LinuxCode> theblackbox, that has nothing to do with postfix, whatsoever[12:19:44] <LinuxCode> your sasl backend handles passwords[12:19:59] <theblackbox> right, thought it might be a postfix conf setting[12:20:13] <theblackbox> LinuxCode, cheers[12:20:24] <LinuxCode> np[12:25:32] *** separatrix has quit IRC[12:25:50] *** separatrix has joined #postfix[12:26:30] *** psteyn has joined #postfix[12:28:29] *** _infidel has quit IRC[12:28:49] *** Signum has quit IRC[12:29:31] *** knoba has quit IRC[12:30:43] *** madrescher1 has joined #postfix[12:31:09] *** madrescher has quit IRC[12:32:56] *** TommyBotten has joined #postfix[12:34:31] *** _thot2980 has joined #postfix[12:34:54] *** _thot2980 has left #postfix[12:38:13] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[12:40:24] *** jtrm has quit IRC[12:42:34] *** psteyn has quit IRC[12:43:14] *** psteyn has joined #postfix[12:45:13] *** psteyn has quit IRC[12:45:26] *** psteyn has joined #postfix[12:48:44] *** separatrix has quit IRC[12:48:51] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[12:50:55] *** separatrix has joined #postfix[12:52:41] *** separatrix has quit IRC[12:53:29] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[12:59:38] *** micols has quit IRC[12:59:51] *** micols has joined #postfix[13:02:02] *** madrescher1 has quit IRC[13:04:56] *** Fullmoon has joined #postfix[13:05:16] <Fullmoon> Can a specific servers maxproc exceed the global process limit?[13:06:17] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[13:07:15] *** micw has quit IRC[13:07:44] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[13:08:39] *** cpm has joined #postfix[13:12:24] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[13:18:33] *** joobie has quit IRC[13:22:43] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:34:43] *** jtaji has quit IRC[13:37:15] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[13:41:50] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[13:42:45] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[13:43:26] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[13:46:39] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[13:47:23] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[13:51:36] *** yajith has quit IRC[14:03:26] *** joobie has joined #postfix[14:04:25] *** henk has joined #postfix[14:04:27] <henk> hi[14:06:01] <henk> i have a server running vhcs (please, don't hurt me, it hurts enough already) and postfix. there are >5000 files in /var/spool/postfix/defer. i searched a bit but couldn't quite find out what that means or why they are there. can anyone explain or point me in the proper direction?[14:07:07] <cite> henk: You might want to use "qshape" and read http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html[14:08:43] <henk> cite: ok, thanks![14:13:57] *** aditsu has joined #postfix[14:15:27] <aditsu> hi, does postfix have "virtual_maps" ? or was that in an old version?[14:16:12] <sysmonk> virtual_maps is obsolete afair[14:16:15] <sysmonk> !virtual_maps[14:16:31] <sysmonk> ?! where's knobaaaaa :(( knoba is dead :(([14:16:54] <sysmonk> Optional lookup tables with a) names of domains for which all addresses are aliased to addresses in other local or remote domains, and b) addresses that are aliased to addresses in other local or remote domains. Available before Postfix version 2.0. With Postfix version 2.0 and later, this is replaced by separate controls: virtual_alias_domains and virtual_alias_maps.[14:17:08] <sysmonk> (that's about virtual_maps)[14:17:24] <aditsu> ok[14:27:08] <rob0> The factoid points out that if you're using virtual_maps, you probably followed an outdated tutorial.[14:28:37] <rob0> henk, obviously (obvious to me), the first step is to read the logs, find out why the messages were deferred. Then go from there.[14:33:28] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[14:41:25] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:44:27] <sysmonk> rob0: why did you kill knoba ? :/[14:44:34] <sysmonk> i know it was you![14:45:00] <rob0> Did not! Did not!![14:45:25] <rob0> I've been grooming knoba to take my place here.[14:45:39] <sysmonk> you? knoba?[14:45:40] <sysmonk> dohhhh[14:46:06] <sysmonk> knoba should get some AI before trying to replace a troll like you.[14:46:14] <rob0> Hetrue[14:46:28] * thumbs disagrees[14:46:47] <rob0> Trolls don't just grow on trees! They grow under bridges.[14:46:48] <f3ew> rob0 is a simple troll[14:46:59] <sysmonk> he's not![14:47:11] <sysmonk> advanced trolling machine[14:47:13] <sysmonk> ATM[14:47:28] <rob0> s/advanced/Awful/[14:54:19] *** TommyBotten has quit IRC[14:55:07] *** cilly has joined #postfix[14:58:43] *** Verilium has quit IRC[15:02:43] *** burnersk has joined #postfix[15:06:15] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[15:06:23] *** pingouin has quit IRC[15:07:40] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[15:15:03] * cpm trolls for rob0[15:16:35] <rob0> !vice-versa[15:19:11] *** Robbie__ has quit IRC[15:19:19] *** Robbie has joined #postfix[15:20:30] <rob0> Ask not for whom the cpm trolls ...[15:24:41] <wdp> ahoi.[15:24:50] <wdp> trolls is a good keyword.[15:24:52] <wdp> here i am.[15:24:53] <wdp> errm.[15:25:15] <rob0> Oh go die in a blender![15:25:15] <wdp> some of the guys using my mailserver, send mails to "something" (not something at domain dot tld)[15:25:27] <wdp> those get delivered to me[15:25:39] <wdp> how can i force that they get a mailer daemon[15:25:42] <wdp> if they dont add a domain?[15:25:51] <rob0> Why are they using unqualified addresses?[15:25:59] <wdp> because theyre stupid.[15:26:13] <wdp> or the admin (me) was lame[15:26:16] <rob0> Then handle it as a political problem.[15:26:27] <wdp> you mean, i should ignore it?[15:26:29] <wdp> :>[15:26:36] *** asdzxc has joined #postfix[15:26:40] <rob0> I mean, LART users who do stupid things.[15:26:48] <asdzxc> hi[15:26:58] <asdzxc> is it possible to delete e-mail right after accepting it ?[15:27:21] <asdzxc> i need to create an catch all for one domain but i don't need e-mail which will be delivered there[15:27:26] <wdp> rob0, however, possible to disallow that?[15:28:42] <rob0> My crystal ball is unsure.[15:29:00] <wdp> hm[15:29:29] <sysmonk> asdzxc: DISCARD is teh keyword, or /dev/null[15:29:43] <rob0> Do I get into your /part message with that "Oh go die in a blender!" comment?[15:30:01] <wdp> if you help me, i think about it[15:30:10] <rob0> sysmonk: but it's an absolutely stupid idea that asdzxc has.[15:30:52] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[15:31:12] <asdzxc> rob0: why ?[15:33:07] <rob0> Catchalls are stupid to begin with. They can and will get inundated with spam. And people sometimes mistype addresses, the proper thing to do is reject. If you don't understand any of this, that only means you need to learn more about email before you try to run a server.[15:34:04] <asdzxc> rob0: i fully understand it :) i really know what i'm doing, you don't have to teach me what catchall is[15:34:51] <wdp> rob0, i guess some user was sending by accident/bad mailclient/no idea a mail to a address without a domain. infact he sent his mail to something, someaddress at domain dot tld - the part "something" came to me. i guess my postfix is doing local delivery for all addresses without a domain. however. if i try myself, thunderbird is saying the mailaddress is not valid.. i have to correct it before i can send.[15:35:05] <wdp> the guy who sent the mail is using "the bat" sounds like some ugly windows mail client.[15:35:35] <wdp> or my postmaster account is a catch all[15:35:40] <wdp> :>[15:36:08] <cpm> naw, 'the bat' is just software. Not any more or less hateful than anything else.[15:36:34] <rob0> If it's a baseball bat, it might be useful as a LART.[15:36:41] <wdp> sigh.[15:36:45] <wdp> enough trolling[15:36:46] <wdp> :p[15:36:48] <asdzxc> wdp: btw, i have the same problem. is it possible to disable that automatical completion of address ?[15:37:27] <wdp> asdzxc, ask rob0.[15:37:32] <asdzxc> so 'something' will remain 'something' and will not be converted to 'something at my dot domain'[15:38:14] * cpm larts rob0[15:38:22] *** Fallenou has joined #postfix[15:38:32] <asdzxc> rob0: is it possible to disable it ?[15:38:32] <rob0> BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html might be useful to both of you.[15:38:40] <asdzxc> ok, will look at it[15:38:42] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:39:02] <rob0> cool![15:39:03] *** wdp has joined #postfix[15:39:07] <rob0> wb :)[15:39:15] <wdp> heh. i kknow the basic readme.[15:39:23] <wdp> i already searched for that within the documentation.[15:39:44] <asdzxc> i found something[15:39:45] <asdzxc> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#append_at_myorigin[15:39:49] <rob0> Well, as you noticed, I've seen your /part message before, so I figure you've lurked here awhile ...[15:40:29] <rob0> ... and those who have lurked here have probably seen me tell people to read the /topic such as to ask questions we can answer.[15:40:53] <wdp> awhile... maybe a year[15:40:54] <wdp> or two.[15:41:00] <wdp> .)[15:41:04] * rob0 can't see your config and logs unless you pastebin them![15:41:12] <wdp> yeah.[15:44:38] <rob0> asdzxc, read the Note[s] at that item.[15:44:48] <rob0> IOW, wrong fix.[15:47:13] *** electro has quit IRC[15:48:43] <henk> what's the difference between the 'defer' queue and the 'deferred' queue?[15:51:46] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[15:53:00] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:55:18] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:56:17] <henk> qshape doesn't like to tell me anything about defer... 'qshape defer' is all zeros, but find /var/spool/postfix/defer | wc -l gives something >5000...[15:56:33] <henk> can anyone give me a hand how to tell what's in this queue and if it's still needed?[15:57:26] *** JiMMyJaKAzz has joined #postfix[15:57:40] <JiMMyJaKAzz> lo[15:57:59] <JiMMyJaKAzz> looking for some help on postfix...[15:59:31] <JiMMyJaKAzz> postfix works on local machine via telnet on local host, but when I telnet from a node on segment x.x.x.x a message 'could not open connection to host...'.[15:59:57] <henk> check if postfix is not only listening on localhost.[16:00:23] <JiMMyJaKAzz> is this due to the class or subnet restriction?[16:00:47] <JiMMyJaKAzz> henk, postfix listens on localhost.[16:01:14] <rob0> "postconf inet_interfaces"[16:01:36] <JiMMyJaKAzz> henk, I can telnet on localhost 25... rob0, checking now[16:03:24] <JiMMyJaKAzz> rob0, looks like it is set to only localhost... modifying it now.[16:03:35] <rob0> just remove that line.[16:04:06] <JiMMyJaKAzz> rob0, I commented it...[16:05:42] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:05:56] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:06:15] <JiMMyJaKAzz> rob0, after stopping and starting it still no go.[16:06:20] <JiMMyJaKAzz> Only local[16:06:22] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[16:07:08] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[16:07:46] <rob0> 1. netstat(8) is your friend. Verify that master(8) is listening on 0.0.0.0:25. 2. /topic is your friend, inet_interfaces was a WAG, but I only have a limited supply of WAGs per customer.[16:08:16] <JiMMyJaKAzz> rob0, thanks... thanks henk, also.[16:09:32] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[16:10:15] * cpm netstats rob0[16:12:55] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[16:18:30] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[16:19:39] *** polaru has quit IRC[16:19:59] *** polaru has joined #postfix[16:24:32] *** Flomar has joined #postfix[16:24:43] *** psteyn has quit IRC[16:25:25] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:26:57] <Flomar> hi all![16:28:06] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:29:24] <Flomar> i have a doubt about reject_sender_login_mismatch[16:29:47] *** Banshee1 has joined #postfix[16:30:00] <Flomar> i`m implementing this control in my mail server but i need a specific behaviour to accomplish to my users definitions[16:30:54] *** Fallenou_ has joined #postfix[16:31:20] <Flomar> well, first i set up smtpd_sender_login_maps that uses mysql to retrieve the data[16:31:52] *** Fallenou_ has quit IRC[16:32:01] <Flomar> but now`s the point[16:32:26] <Banshee1> i *think* this question is simple... we have postfix on our outbound mail (1 way >>> out only)... and we have a working postfix-ldap configuration with an ldap-transport map that points to our LDAP directory server and performs lookups to see if the user is local (local to local) first before doing a public lookup for the domains MX.[16:32:43] <Banshee1> my question is this:[16:32:44] <Flomar> yes[16:33:26] <Flomar> well, continue my explanation[16:33:38] <Banshee1> i would like to not allow 'MAIL FROM:<user at nonlocal dot domain>' to send from us[16:34:05] <Banshee1> seems weird that postfix would allow this by default... just in case we had an internal spammer...[16:34:08] <Banshee1> you follow?[16:34:32] <Flomar> wow[16:34:34] <Banshee1> i read that the same lookup we use for LDAP can be done on the MAIL FROM: during the SMTP conversation with this:[16:34:42] <Flomar> Banshee1, i guess you are asking the same thing then I[16:34:54] <Banshee1> smtpd_reject_unlisted_sender and reject_unlisted_sender[16:34:56] <Flomar> you need to use smtpd_sender_login_maps[16:35:03] <lunaphyte> indeed, it sounds like.[16:35:11] <Banshee1> we are not using SASL[16:35:17] <Banshee1> this is deep inside our network[16:35:24] <Flomar> and to block reject_sender_login_mismatch,[16:35:24] <Banshee1> it is a smarthost OUTBOUND[16:35:31] <Flomar> hmmm[16:35:33] <Banshee1> ^[16:35:40] <Banshee1> we have authsmtp BEFORE this[16:35:49] <Flomar> yes[16:35:51] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[16:36:04] <Banshee1> ahhh... ya know what[16:36:10] <Banshee1> i just realized something[16:36:15] <Banshee1> please disregard[16:36:19] <Flomar> ok[16:36:31] <Flomar> i guess the gurus aren`t here today :([16:36:56] *** Signum has joined #postfix[16:37:07] *** knoba has joined #postfix[16:37:09] <lunaphyte> you haven't described what exactly you're trying to do.[16:37:14] <Banshee1> thanks for yer help though flomar![16:37:20] <lunaphyte> no guru is psychic.[16:37:52] <Flomar> sorry lunaphyte[16:38:02] <Flomar> i guess you already helped me other day[16:38:24] <Flomar> well, guys, my question is that: 1. I set up reject_sender_login_mismatch with smtpd_sender_login_maps and it worked great :D[16:39:20] <Flomar> but... i have some situations that i need to solve: some clients uses aliases in ther from and auth sasl with a code like `usrxxx at domain dot com` and the from comes like `josh at domain dot com` i need to authorize both to send mail[16:40:00] <Flomar> i changed my smtpd_sender_login_maps to retrieve all aliases from a specific account[16:40:24] <Flomar> and the map is working, i tested with postmap and it`s ok, returning all aliases that belongs to the account[16:40:51] <Flomar> but reject_sender_login_mismatch just get the first result in the set and dont allow any other[16:41:08] <Flomar> i`m stuck on this...[16:41:13] *** knoba has quit IRC[16:41:27] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[16:41:52] <Flomar> i need that FROM = josh at domain dot com and SASL = userx at domain dot com are able to send mail and reject_sender_login_mismatch blocks this behaviour[16:42:16] *** knoba` is now known as knoba[16:42:23] <Flomar> even if smtpd_sender_login_maps return both results[16:42:30] <Flomar> did you understand me?[16:45:10] <lunaphyte> yes.[16:45:25] <lunaphyte> prepare a pastebin that corroborates this.[16:45:39] <Flomar> ok[16:48:09] *** Keizer has quit IRC[16:51:06] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[16:54:49] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:55:24] <Flomar> i`ll go away for some time (lunch) i`m building the pastebin post thx lunaphyte[16:57:14] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:57:47] *** Signum_ has joined #postfix[16:57:47] *** Signum has quit IRC[16:57:50] *** knoba has quit IRC[16:57:55] *** knoba` has joined #postfix[16:58:51] *** knoba` is now known as knoba[16:59:17] *** SARGuy has joined #postfix[17:02:49] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:04:36] *** kfo_ has joined #postfix[17:06:39] *** cilly has joined #postfix[17:06:48] *** cilly has quit IRC[17:10:05] *** cilly has joined #postfix[17:11:56] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[17:14:49] *** asdzxc has left #postfix[17:19:50] *** Keizer has joined #postfix[17:20:39] *** kfo has quit IRC[17:20:39] *** kfo_ is now known as kfo[17:21:19] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[17:26:35] *** polaru has quit IRC[17:27:21] *** _UsUrPeR_ has joined #postfix[17:28:36] <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I'm getting the following error when I restart /etc/init.d/networking in Ubuntu 9.04: :postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory[17:28:38] <_UsUrPeR_> "[17:29:10] <_UsUrPeR_> Networking takes a pretty long time to restart due to this.[17:29:54] <gencha> sounds pretty straight-forward[17:30:54] <_UsUrPeR_> can anyone tell me how to either put main.cf in it's place, or I don't understand. How did this happen off an apt-get install of postfix?[17:31:22] <rob0> !debian[17:31:22] <pickcoder> _UsUrPeR_: ask #ubuntu how to reinstall the default config[17:31:23] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[17:31:41] <_UsUrPeR_> pickcoder: rgr[17:31:47] <rob0> If you really are interested in Postfix ...[17:31:50] <rob0> !basic[17:31:50] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[17:32:40] <_UsUrPeR_> thanks all[17:33:19] <JiMMyJaKAzz> back... no luck so far... trying to get postfix running but netstat reveals no smtp port[17:34:35] *** Robbie has quit IRC[17:36:47] *** polaru has joined #postfix[17:38:47] *** Banshee1 has left #postfix[17:41:29] *** polaru has quit IRC[17:42:08] *** tkrin has joined #postfix[17:42:15] *** tkrin_ has joined #postfix[17:45:45] *** jtrm has quit IRC[17:46:36] *** tkrin_ has quit IRC[17:47:33] *** aglet has quit IRC[17:50:11] *** aglet has joined #postfix[17:51:32] *** tkrin is now known as tkrin_[17:55:39] *** tkrin_ has quit IRC[17:59:17] *** tkrin has joined #postfix[18:01:49] *** aixenv has quit IRC[18:03:47] *** tkrin has quit IRC[18:08:55] <pickcoder> $6/Mbps from HE or 1GB for $2500 flat rate[18:13:18] *** madrescher has quit IRC[18:20:02] <cpm> ?[18:22:59] *** DonAlex has joined #postfix[18:23:46] <DonAlex> Hi guys.. just a point of clarification.. can you only have one myorigin domain set when relaying for other servers?[18:23:54] <lunaphyte> i think he's talking about prostitutes.[18:24:48] <DonAlex> Sure hope I was not ;)[18:25:00] *** githogori_ has quit IRC[18:25:29] <pickcoder> I finally got a quote back[18:25:47] <DonAlex> just curious to know what the HELO of outbound mail will be.. if I set that valuse to a domain.org domain.com and domain.net ?[18:25:48] <pickcoder> 100Mbps for $600/month[18:26:05] <rob0> !smtp_helo_name[18:26:06] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_helo_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The hostname to send in the SMTP EHLO or HELO command.[18:26:17] <rob0> !forget smtp_helo_name[18:26:23] *** rafaelgp has joined #postfix[18:26:58] <rob0> !learn smtp_helo_name as a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The hostname to send in the SMTP EHLO or HELO command. The default is $myhostname.[18:27:55] <rafaelgp> morning! zen.spamhaus.org doesn`t seem to be working on my postfix, i get warnings like this `RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found.`[18:28:01] <DonAlex> that directed at me rob0 ?[18:28:37] <rafaelgp> i hear spamhaus.org is one of the best rbls to use but i wonder why the names are not resolving[18:28:56] <pickcoder> rafaelgpL your DNS resolver is broken or your ISP's DNS server is down?[18:29:04] <pickcoder> dig spamhaus.org?[18:29:15] <pickcoder> dig zen.spamhaus.org even[18:30:37] <rafaelgp> www.spamhaus..... works, but i guess the authoritative nameserver is a different one[18:30:58] <rob0> Rafael, maybe you're blocked? "dig 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org. any"[18:31:47] <rafaelgp> i checked on the website and the IPs i use are not blacklisted[18:32:08] *** F6F has quit IRC[18:33:24] <rafaelgp> i got several RBLs listed on main.cf but only spamhaus doesnt work[18:34:23] <rafaelgp> ;; Query time: 1764 msec - maybe thats the problem?[18:35:46] <rafaelgp> host 2.0.0.127.zen.spamhaus.org => ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached[18:37:50] <rob0> host(1) would only return the "A" records unless -tany is used, but that does seem to indicate a problem.[18:38:46] <rafaelgp> hmm, well i am quite new to this, would you help me to understand what i am supposed to do in order to use zen.spamhaus.org as a RBL?[18:39:16] <rafaelgp> as i dont see any other warnings i am supposing only those attempts to zen.spamhaus.org have errors[18:39:28] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: your postfix config is probably fine[18:39:43] <pickcoder> you apparently have a resolution problem[18:40:21] <rafaelgp> dig gets me answers, seems so. host doesn`t[18:40:50] <rafaelgp> here are the lines related to rbl on my main.cf -> http://pastebin.com/m23828c15[18:41:53] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: you need to do host -tany zen.spamhaus.org[18:41:53] *** cilly has quit IRC[18:41:59] <pickcoder> as rob0 stated[18:42:11] <pickcoder> you should get a list of all of the zen nameservers[18:42:22] <rafaelgp> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached[18:42:35] <pickcoder> check your resolver then[18:42:41] <pickcoder> /etc/resolv.conf for example[18:43:13] <rafaelgp> yeah, i got 4 nameservers that are working fine for me so far, i something is not working correctly to attemps to resolv spamhaus names[18:44:16] <rob0> Perhaps you or your ISP has exceeded the limit for free queries, and should purchase the data feed?[18:44:32] <pickcoder> data feed ++[18:44:36] <rafaelgp> maybe..[18:44:37] <pickcoder> I love it[18:44:45] <rob0> I had this happen on Comcast residential cable.[18:45:08] <rafaelgp> well, if thats the case i shouldnt get any output from `dig` right[18:46:17] <rafaelgp> http://pastebin.com/m2473ce3c[18:46:24] <rob0> host & dig should get similar results. If host can't reach a server, dig can't do it either. It *does* appear that you are blocked.[18:46:58] <pickcoder> hmm.. so SORBS didn't go *poof*[18:47:03] <rob0> hmmm servfail ...[18:47:29] <rob0> 150.162.1.9 ... is this yours?[18:47:56] <rafaelgp> its one of my isp`s nameservers[18:48:07] <rob0> ahh[18:48:31] <rafaelgp> i havent got problems yet, only with spamhaus, so i guess im blocked[18:48:48] <Flomar> lunaphyte, the pastebin logs and info: http://www.pastebin.ca/1525258[18:48:53] <rob0> I think a local caching nameserver is just about essential to have for a MTA.[18:49:44] <Flomar> adding info: reject_sender_login_mismatch just work when the from is == to sasl user.[18:50:06] <rafaelgp> rob0 i have bind9 running[18:50:10] <rafaelgp> on the local server[18:50:23] <rafaelgp> but i use the ISPs nameservers[18:50:42] <lunaphyte> ick[18:50:47] *** burnersk has quit IRC[18:50:56] <rafaelgp> it has all the roots nameservers updated, maybe i could try using my own nameserver, but idk[18:51:12] <Flomar> and i need that the reject_sender_login_mismatch accepts other mails, the mails that are in my postmap -q test... because my users may have aliases in the from that aren`t the same that the sasl user[18:51:52] <lunaphyte> Flomar: also show postconf -n[18:52:25] <Flomar> ok[18:52:47] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: if you have any decent volume of mail coming in you should consider setting up the DNS zones locally for zen. The data feed isn't overly expensive and you will save on bandwidth.[18:53:23] <rafaelgp> i`m quite new to bind..[18:53:25] <pickcoder> I only have a couple of RBLs on our mailgate[18:53:31] <pickcoder> it's simple to configure[18:53:31] *** burnersk has joined #postfix[18:53:48] <pickcoder> a cron script updates the zones[18:54:08] *** Severed_Head_of_ has quit IRC[18:54:42] <Flomar> lunaphyte, http://pastebin.ca/1525267[18:56:26] <rafaelgp> pickcoder well the number of incoming mail is pretty decent because some users are on busy mailing lists[18:56:39] <rafaelgp> so i guess i should do what you said, but am not sure how to[18:57:50] <pickcoder> for 25 users, a coporate business will pay $250/year currently[18:57:54] <pickcoder> you can get 30 days free for testing[18:58:11] <rob0> BIND as a caching resolver is very little work. In my OS (Slackware) the example config shipped is all you need, and "echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf".[18:58:20] *** Bad_Religion has joined #postfix[18:58:47] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: http://www.spamhaus.org/datafeed/pricecalculator.lasso[18:58:58] <rob0> If you do the data feed, you probably do not want to use BIND for that, see rbldnsd.[18:59:49] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:59:57] <pickcoder> yup I'm running rbldnsd[19:01:05] <rafaelgp> hmm i cant spend money with it[19:01:23] <pickcoder> well it's not a free service[19:01:52] <rafaelgp> the zen.spamhaus.org[19:01:54] <rafaelgp> ?[19:01:58] <pickcoder> the data feed[19:02:05] <rafaelgp> ah, well im not sure what that is[19:02:15] <pickcoder> you can deal with resolution errors for the public servers[19:02:25] <pickcoder> or you can pay for a local feed to host "zen" on your machine[19:02:44] <rafaelgp> ah ok.[19:03:31] <rafaelgp> and about dns caching.. most mail servers dont change IP/hostname that often, so if i cache that data locally i guess mail receiving would be somewhat faster.. what would you recommend me to do?[19:03:54] <pickcoder> you don't want to cache the RBL lookups[19:04:01] <rafaelgp> not the RBL,[19:04:16] <rafaelgp> but the hostnames of the smtps like google, those maillists, etc[19:06:04] <rafaelgp> for example, i subscribe to a few mailing lists and dont get the mails on digest mode, so i get lots of mail during the day and every mail is a new lookup, so if i could increase the TTL locally, that would help i guess[19:07:06] <rob0> Well in your case, it cannot be YOU who is blocked, it is the ISP nameserver.[19:07:34] <rob0> or ... whatever they use upstream from theirs[19:08:10] <rob0> you might find that by switching from the ISP nameserver to your own is all you need.[19:08:24] <rob0> s/by//[19:08:54] <rafaelgp> i did host `xxx.zen.spamhaus.org localhost` and got the same problem[19:09:35] *** hever has quit IRC[19:10:06] <rafaelgp> ah, wait, nevermind. i`m getting: Host 130.7.160.200.zen.spamhaus.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)[19:10:10] *** hever has joined #postfix[19:10:16] <rafaelgp> so i guess i `fixed` it[19:10:58] <rafaelgp> if an IP address is not blacklisted that is what i should expect?[19:12:50] <rob0> NXDOMAIN means not listed, yes[19:14:48] *** anv_ has joined #postfix[19:15:46] *** cpm has quit IRC[19:18:43] <rafaelgp> problem solved i guess[19:18:51] *** teddymills has joined #postfix[19:18:58] <rafaelgp> they wont block me until i reach 100k requests or something, right[19:19:05] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:20:02] <Flomar> lunaphyte, any ideia about it? i`m reading some posts regarding reject_sender_login_mismatch but nothing like what i need...[19:21:24] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[19:21:27] *** SARGuy1 has joined #postfix[19:21:33] *** SARGuy1 is now known as SARGuy[19:24:48] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[19:25:16] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[19:30:57] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[19:38:16] *** burnersk has quit IRC[19:44:48] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[19:45:18] *** keizer1 has joined #postfix[19:46:37] *** Keizer has quit IRC[19:50:58] <rafaelgp> rob0, i just called my ISP and they said spamhaus is not used anymore, due to random blocks on requests. do they block for good or for a certain time?[19:52:05] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: e-mail spamhaus[19:52:38] <pickcoder> I've never had an issue, but I'm also not a DSL ISP with thousands of people running mail servers against EULA.[19:52:43] *** fladi has joined #postfix[19:53:05] <rob0> huh?[19:53:05] *** cpm has joined #postfix[19:53:35] *** anv_ has quit IRC[19:55:14] <pickcoder> they are probably doing "random blocks" because of abuse from mail servers on dynamic IP ranges, which are popular spam bot targets[19:56:00] <pickcoder> the only way to know is to e-mail spamhaus and find out the truth[19:57:00] <pickcoder> ugh.. this brand new redundant power supply has a flakey module, but Athena says it's our power source[19:57:13] <rob0> "called my ISP and they said spamhaus is not used anymore, due to random blocks ..." ???[19:57:20] <pickcoder> I think this mail server has been destined to annoy me constantly[19:58:02] <rob0> I assure you, Spamhaus is widely used. They're either stupid, or lying, or both.[19:59:04] <rob0> Hosts are listed until the problem is cleared up. In some cases that's probably almost permanent.[20:00:51] <pickcoder> oops.... my spamhaus feed b0rked a while back and left a lock file[20:00:58] <pickcoder> nice update script[20:03:35] *** keizer2 has joined #postfix[20:03:38] *** keizer1 has quit IRC[20:09:16] <rafaelgp> rob0 i meant they dont use spamhaus as a RBL anymore because their access to requests would get blocked.[20:10:02] <rafaelgp> they use now amavis+spamassassin+spf+graylist - no RBLs anymore.[20:10:41] <pickcoder> heh[20:10:53] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: that's because they're cheap[20:11:00] <pickcoder> they should pay for the data feed[20:11:16] <rafaelgp> its a federal university and you don`t spend money just like that[20:11:28] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: then they may be able to get it for free[20:11:49] <rob0> They spend way more than the data feed on less effective means of dealing with the spam.[20:11:55] <pickcoder> greylisting is just an annoyance[20:12:18] <pickcoder> SPF isn't implemented widespread enough to be used alone with SA[20:12:38] <rafaelgp> well they have 60 email servers and i imagine that 5.000 people use each mail, so data feed would be really expensive im supposing[20:12:49] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: not really[20:12:56] <rafaelgp> use each server*[20:13:13] <rafaelgp> i mean 500 people each server*[20:14:06] <pickcoder> a Univ can get an unlimited amount for $8400/year[20:14:12] <rafaelgp> the girl that i talked to said that when spamhaus would work for them it was actually very nice but it would often `stop working` (i think she meant the isp would get blocked)[20:14:18] <pickcoder> 10K users is 1125/year[20:14:42] <rob0> Yes, typical penny-wise pound-foolish sort of management. Don't spend pennies per user to save millions in lost time/productivity.[20:15:02] <pickcoder> that's the rsync service[20:15:14] *** Markus has joined #postfix[20:15:16] <rafaelgp> what i dont get is that if they quit using spamhaus a year or two ago, why would ther ISP still be blocked for requests?[20:15:28] <pickcoder> 5K users is $925/year[20:15:43] <rafaelgp> thats just the number of professors[20:15:49] <rafaelgp> i suppose[20:16:01] <rafaelgp> professors+employees[20:16:18] <rob0> Because the ISP is also serving an unknown number of other MTAs maybe?[20:16:46] <rafaelgp> most of them are managed by their NOC people[20:17:01] <rafaelgp> i dont think these out-of-noc MTAs would reach 100.000 requests[20:17:14] <rafaelgp> per day or month, idk what spamhaus allows[20:17:27] <pickcoder> each connection initiates an RBL request[20:17:38] <pickcoder> if it's a public MTA on port 25, spam bots are going to sniff them out[20:17:55] <rafaelgp> thats true[20:18:12] <pickcoder> if they would use spamhaus and fail2ban they can eliminate that repeat traffic for X hours[20:18:17] <rafaelgp> well they block port 25 for unknown-servers so i guess most of the MTAs are managed by them[20:18:18] <pickcoder> or mins[20:18:46] <rafaelgp> you have to request port 25 open if your dept wants to run its own mail server[20:19:01] <rafaelgp> both ways, in and out..[20:19:17] <rafaelgp> err, just in[20:19:32] <rafaelgp> im not quite sure[20:20:12] <pickcoder> make the suggestion that they implement fail2ban using the postfix jail config[20:20:28] <pickcoder> it really works well[20:21:39] <rafaelgp> fail2ban would stop what kind of repetitive requests?[20:21:41] <pickcoder> I actually have two jails[20:21:56] <pickcoder> one for naughty clients that are not RBL-listed and one for RBL-listed clients[20:22:36] <pickcoder> when they trigger an SMTP error code that matches the ban regex, it sets a packet drop rule for that IP in iptables[20:22:47] <pickcoder> so.. no more traffic from them[20:23:17] <pickcoder> for X seconds[20:23:23] <rafaelgp> so you minimize the RBL requests[20:23:26] <rafaelgp> ?[20:23:42] <pickcoder> as well as wasted traffic on mail forgery attempts[20:24:05] <rafaelgp> what would the ban regex be? thats the problem[20:24:06] *** githogori has joined #postfix[20:24:27] <pickcoder> you can select any number of 5xx and 4xx codes you configure your postfix to respond with[20:24:43] <rafaelgp> well if would you share those configs?[20:24:54] <pickcoder> there is a default "generalized" config setup that comes with the Debian install of fail2ban[20:24:55] <rafaelgp> i will take a look, maybe apply it on my own server and also suggest the ISP[20:25:32] <pickcoder> here's an example: failregex = reject: RCPT from (.*)\[<HOST>\]: (450|550|504)[20:25:49] <pickcoder> 450, 550, and 504 errors cause an X-hour ban[20:26:13] <rafaelgp> but that doesn`t block spam yet, just bots[20:26:15] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[20:26:16] <pickcoder> here's a specific service unavailable code trap for RBLs[20:26:17] <pickcoder> failregex = reject: RCPT from (.*)\[<HOST>\]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable[20:26:31] <pickcoder> rafaelgp: or malconfigured MTAs and clients that we don't want to deal with[20:26:50] <pickcoder> they get a loooong ban time[20:27:11] *** keizer2 has quit IRC[20:27:23] <pickcoder> you will need to tweak those to the responses your server will put in the logs[20:27:24] <rafaelgp> so `regular mail` would come in ok and then get RBL checked... right?[20:27:30] <pickcoder> yes[20:27:41] <rafaelgp> i need to look on the error messages first[20:27:49] <rafaelgp> to actually know if i could apply that scheme[20:28:14] <rafaelgp> for how many users its been a good option so far?[20:29:06] <pickcoder> I normally see between 5-20K hosts banned at any given time[20:29:36] <pickcoder> right now it's in the 8500 range[20:29:54] <rafaelgp> that would all be bots, mass spam and whatsoever?[20:30:09] <pickcoder> anything that spamhaus has listed[20:30:19] <pickcoder> or any other RBL I rely on[20:30:34] <pickcoder> (I don't use SORBS btw)[20:30:40] <rafaelgp> but then your RBL requests limit may be reached[20:30:47] <rafaelgp> or i misunderstood you at some point[20:30:49] <pickcoder> uh.. I pay for the data feed[20:30:51] <pickcoder> but[20:31:06] <pickcoder> if you restrict bot attempts then your RBL requests will go down[20:31:18] <pickcoder> look at your mail filtering percentage[20:31:26] <rafaelgp> bot attemps would be the ones with error messages like `user dont exist` or whatever[20:31:38] <pickcoder> no postfix logs RBL failures[20:32:00] <rafaelgp> yeah i have seen it[20:32:05] <pickcoder> 5.7.1 is the normal error status for it[20:32:21] <pickcoder> error code 554[20:32:25] <rafaelgp> cool idea, i use fail2ban for ssh and http so far[20:33:30] <pickcoder> be careful with your RBL rejections though[20:33:41] <rafaelgp> the problem is that my server doesnt have much spam yet, but the ISP`s for sure does, the problem is that im not responsible for those MTAs[20:33:42] <pickcoder> if you have a 50/50 split on good and bad RBL listings then it can do harm to your mail[20:34:17] <rafaelgp> but if they are blacklisted, why should i still double check?[20:34:29] <pickcoder> I only use zen and dnsbl.njabl.org[20:34:46] <pickcoder> if we get spam, it's text spam that is getting missed by SA[20:35:03] <rafaelgp> by the way, how can i get Amavis+SA to work fine?[20:35:10] <pickcoder> zen traps 99% of the spammers[20:35:33] <rafaelgp> spam messages get attached to a postmaster mail to the user instead of being markwed with **** SPAM *****[20:35:45] <pickcoder> edit the SA config[20:35:49] <rafaelgp> and i think its done by Amavis, not SA[20:35:57] <pickcoder> no SA changes the headers[20:36:13] <rafaelgp> well i dont see X-Spam anymore since i installed amavis[20:36:20] <rafaelgp> and i did configure amavis to call SA[20:36:21] <pickcoder> you have to renable SA then[20:36:28] <pickcoder> under Amavis[20:36:32] <pickcoder> what distro?[20:36:32] <rafaelgp> yeah, i did that[20:36:34] <rafaelgp> Debian[20:36:50] <rafaelgp> but i dont see X-Spam tags, i guess the spam trapped so far was done by Amavis[20:37:16] <pickcoder> uncomment the 4 lines in 15-content_filter_mode[20:37:26] <rafaelgp> one sec, lemme check[20:37:32] <rafaelgp> thats on amavis, right?[20:37:40] <pickcoder> yes[20:37:41] <pickcoder> conf.d[20:38:04] <rafaelgp> yeah, i already did that. even rememeber doing it when i set up amavis[20:38:12] <rafaelgp> @bypass_spam_checks_maps = ( ...[20:38:30] <rafaelgp> how could i make sure it is working?[20:38:35] <pickcoder> and you added the two services to master.cf and configure content_filter for postfix?[20:38:37] <rafaelgp> i dont think SA generates logs[20:39:08] <rafaelgp> yes[20:39:40] <rafaelgp> content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024[20:40:45] <rafaelgp> http://pastebin.com/m63dbac3d - there you could check my set up[20:41:10] <rafaelgp> i just dont know yet how Amavis finds SA and tells it to filter the mail[20:42:34] <pickcoder> it's all Perl modules[20:42:37] <pickcoder> work calls bbiab[20:43:21] <rob0> thumbs: I disagree.[20:43:56] <thumbs> rob0: I disagree with your disagreement.[20:44:09] <seekwill> Can't we all just get along?[20:44:24] <thumbs> no,[20:44:34] <rafaelgp> pickcoder ?[20:44:40] <rafaelgp> ah ok[20:46:46] <rob0> I agree that we cannot get along.[20:47:03] <seekwill> You two agreed. That's a good start[20:47:05] <seekwill> :D[20:47:06] <rob0> That really hurts, BTW, I would prefer to disagree.[20:49:07] <jeev> ok i dont want to scare anyone but i saw #seekwill in[20:49:16] <jeev> #sendmail asking how to install it[20:49:20] <jeev> i was only in there by accident[20:49:33] <pickcoder> jeev: are you stalking will again?[20:49:44] <jeev> no[20:53:34] <seekwill> Sendmail isn't scary[20:53:53] <rob0> seekwill is scary![20:54:13] <seekwill> RAWR[20:54:23] * seekwill sharpens his teeth[20:54:37] * rob0 hides behind thumbs[21:01:16] <thumbs> don't touch me![21:02:09] *** Markus has quit IRC[21:02:39] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[21:04:12] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[21:06:45] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[21:09:49] <rafaelgp> well thanks for all the help. dentist calls, haha[21:12:37] <uqlev> good dentist doesn't call to a patient ;)[21:15:54] <jmedina> they send spam :)[21:16:47] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[21:21:38] <seekwill> Spam is good[21:21:49] <jluedke> keeps me employed :)[21:21:55] <seekwill> :)[21:22:05] <seekwill> If there were no spams, there wouldn't be any need for postmasters![21:23:55] <Flomar> lunaphyte, are you there?[21:26:07] <Flomar> hi thumbs[21:26:12] *** DonAlex has quit IRC[21:26:36] <thumbs> Flomar: hi.[21:26:59] <Flomar> i think that i asked you some days ago about reject_sender_login_mismatch,[21:28:20] <Flomar> can you help me a bit on this? well it worked but i need a more ... complicated solution ...[21:29:09] <Flomar> so... here`s a pastebin with my postconf -n and other information...[21:29:14] <Flomar> i need to know if this is possible[21:29:17] <Flomar> http://pastebin.ca/1525267[21:33:31] <Flomar> smtpd_sender_login_maps gets the name from the from field?[21:33:46] <Flomar> if so, is a way to get the name from the sasl_username?[21:38:38] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[21:40:00] <Flomar> ![21:40:07] *** YaP has joined #postfix[21:40:13] <seekwill> @[21:40:23] <Flomar> how i use the bot to see directives? i forget it =/[21:46:08] <lunaphyte> !factoid[21:46:09] <knoba> lunaphyte: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know. see http://workaround.org/f=postfix for a list of knoba's factoids.[21:46:43] <lunaphyte> Flomar: sorry, i've been caught up with other things, i haven't had time to look at your pastebin[21:47:13] <Flomar> :) no problem[21:48:15] <Flomar> lunaphyte, just a question... smtpd_sender_login_maps uses the SASL LOGIN to make lookup or the MAIL FROM address?[21:48:18] *** uqlev has quit IRC[21:49:01] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:50:03] <lunaphyte> mail from[21:50:40] <lunaphyte> the result must be a sasl login name (or names)[21:51:54] <lunaphyte> oh - yeah, it looks to me like you have your lookup backwards.[21:54:12] <Flomar> yeah i guess i find my problem[21:54:48] <Flomar> i`ll made a change in my sql[21:56:29] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[21:56:38] <lunaphyte> you could probably just change your lookup map.[21:57:23] <Flomar> yes :) just a bit more concentrated reading and it`s solved :)[21:57:28] <Flomar> it worked now[21:57:46] <Flomar> my lookup query wasn`t right[21:57:54] <Flomar> really thanks lunaphyte[21:58:01] <lunaphyte> sure thing.[22:00:39] *** opzoli has joined #postfix[22:07:11] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[22:13:50] *** Fladi_ has joined #postfix[22:18:01] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[22:18:11] * pickcoder pops in[22:18:24] <rob0> popcoder[22:18:45] *** fladi has quit IRC[22:19:08] <lunaphyte> pop goes the coder[22:19:21] <pickcoder> it's a bit warm and humid out in the warehouse[22:19:42] <lunaphyte> oh, is it dirty too?[22:20:09] <pickcoder> only the stuff that the fairies don't dust at night[22:22:53] <pickcoder> bbiab[22:26:49] *** wdp has quit IRC[22:27:17] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[22:27:22] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[22:29:03] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[22:30:06] *** uqlev has quit IRC[22:35:51] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wfh[22:40:22] <cite> Hm. One of my servers deliverd 42k mails in hte last 58 minutes, and I have absolutely no idea what kind of messages it sent.[22:42:10] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[22:42:24] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[22:42:47] <seekwill> SPAM![22:42:56] <seekwill> No server should _EVER_ send that many[22:43:36] <cite> I take pride in the fact that all those messages were delivered with correct DKIm signatures and with a grain of salt.[22:44:01] <seekwill> :)[22:45:20] <seekwill> I DKIM sign all my spam before I forward it to KB1JWQ[22:45:44] <cite> That's a good sending strategy.[22:45:57] <seekwill> I need Inbox delivery![22:46:18] <cite> We all need our inboxes delivered.[22:46:19] <cite> Erm.[22:46:22] <cite> nvm.[22:46:27] <Flomar> is a way to customize error messages? it would be great if i could translate the 5.7.1 error (login mismatch) to portuguese... i have many idiot users[22:46:37] *** pingouin has quit IRC[22:49:57] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[22:50:06] <cite> Flomar: Nope.[22:50:20] <lunaphyte> sure there is. edit the source code.[22:50:39] <cite> That's outside the question's scope![22:50:44] <Flomar> hmm ok then recompile it...[22:50:44] <cite> Like, you know, cheating![22:50:47] <Flomar> blergh[22:50:55] <lunaphyte> man, the weather outside is fantastic. i've ben cooped up in the house all day and had no idea.[22:51:11] <cite> What does "cooped" mean?[22:51:35] <Flomar> :) my mother is making a nice soup for me weeee[22:53:44] <Flomar> hey guys do you have an indication of a good postfix book? or mail systems book? we bought the postfix book from kyle dent (very good) but is there other books?[22:54:09] <cite> Flomar: There is "The Book of Postfix" by Ralf Hildebrandt, but I don't know how recent it is.[22:54:16] *** markl_ has joined #postfix[22:54:54] <markl_> any idea what can be causing this error (apart from the obvious): Aug 11 14:44:35 obmail01 postfix/cleanup[23790]: warning: mail_queue_enter: rename incoming/324369.23790 to incoming/87CD4D5931: Can[22:54:58] <markl_> not allocate memory[22:55:15] <markl_> there is no shortage of memory in this machine, so i am wondering if there is a main.cf setting i need to tweak?[22:56:26] *** makerc has joined #postfix[22:56:35] *** Verilium has joined #postfix[22:57:03] *** Bad_Religion has quit IRC[22:57:54] *** Fladi_ has quit IRC[22:58:57] <cite> makerc: Is that a virtual server?[22:59:05] <cite> markl_: Is that a virtual server?[22:59:11] <markl_> yes, openvz[22:59:35] <markl_> which keeps track of any failed memory allocation attempts - and there aren't any[22:59:39] <markl_> very strange[23:00:09] *** war9407 has quit IRC[23:01:32] <cite> Well, consume less memory. That#s really the best hint I can give you.[23:02:00] <cite> Lower default_process_limit, lower the amount of content_filter processes and so on.[23:02:59] *** jmedina has quit IRC[23:04:05] <markl_> does postfix have an internal memory limit that i am hitting?[23:05:06] <cite> No, resource limits are implemented with process limits and by comparing incoming/outgoing mail delivery rates.[23:05:07] <markl_> like some sort of default that it pre-allocates?[23:05:48] <cite> That's a "no" again.[23:06:05] <lunaphyte> cooped, as in a chicken stuck in a coop.[23:06:30] <cite> Oh. I see. Thanks.[23:07:58] <lunaphyte> Flomar: the 3 defacto books are dent's, hildebrant's/koetter's, and blum's[23:09:22] <markl_> so my question is still unanswered - does that error message mean that postfix asked for memory from the operating system and that failed; or is there an internal memory limit that it ran into?[23:10:31] <Flomar> thx lunaphyte well now`s time to go to the gym!!! to lose some fat!!![23:10:48] <lunaphyte> good luck :)[23:16:19] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[23:16:57] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[23:18:29] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[23:18:33] *** joobie has quit IRC[23:20:46] *** amrit has joined #postfix[23:26:58] *** amrit|wfh has quit IRC[23:28:14] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[23:29:05] *** opzoli has left #postfix[23:35:09] *** Section1 has quit IRC[23:38:48] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[23:41:51] <pickcoder> he.net is throwing in 7U and 2A of rack usage with their 100MB special[23:42:04] <pickcoder> $600/month for 7U and 100Mbps[23:43:27] <seekwill> Is that good?[23:43:37] <pickcoder> no clue[23:43:45] <seekwill> You can't go wrong with he.net![23:43:46] <pickcoder> but we're paying more than that for 3MB wireless[23:43:56] <pickcoder> and no rack space but our own[23:43:59] <seekwill> Wireless sucks[23:44:10] <plundra> pickcoder: How much traffic comes with that deal?[23:44:23] <pickcoder> plundra: that's for 100MB[23:44:46] <pickcoder> burst over your MB rate is $15/Mbps[23:44:59] <plundra> pickcoder: Surely you won't get 100Mbps of usage for $600 a month?[23:45:10] <pickcoder> it's $6/Mbps[23:45:25] <pickcoder> or you can get a flat 1000MBps for 2500/month[23:45:46] <plundra> That sounds very cheap.[23:46:03] <pickcoder> they have uber fiber interconnects[23:46:18] <pickcoder> plus they are probably hurting for business[23:46:23] <pickcoder> companies going under, etc[23:46:41] <pickcoder> they're also offering a dedicated deal for $70/month[23:46:51] <seekwill> Colo?[23:47:00] <pickcoder> no dedicated server[23:47:07] <seekwill> oh[23:47:12] <pickcoder> the colo is $600/month with free 7U @ 2A[23:47:22] <pickcoder> for the 100MB[23:47:22] <plundra> We're paying about $800 or so for 5Mbps traffic (2x10A, 20U)[23:47:35] <plundra> (In Sweden)[23:47:38] <pickcoder> you can get a 42U rack with 15A for $1000/month[23:47:45] <pickcoder> same 100MB[23:48:09] <thumbs> 15A is not enough for 42U[23:48:28] <pickcoder> thumbs: I know[23:48:43] <pickcoder> but you can host a bunch of switches and low-power 1U boxes[23:48:45] <seekwill> I use Intel Atom boards![23:48:59] <thumbs> pickcoder: heck, a single 1U box here uses 1.5A[23:49:13] <thumbs> pickcoder: (all our boxes are dual-xeon)[23:49:14] <plundra> Are there any Atom-based servers out there?[23:49:15] <pickcoder> thumbs: switch to flash drives :)[23:49:16] <seekwill> You have crappy boxes![23:50:01] <thumbs> pickcoder: they're scsi HDDs too.[23:52:17] <seekwill> I use USB thumb drives RAIDed via ZFS[23:53:15] *** makerc has quit IRC[23:55:47] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[23:55:54] <pickcoder> thumbs: those drives are sucking a lot of power then. what processor is running it?[23:56:39] <thumbs> pickcoder: dual xeon @3.00 Ghz[23:56:40] <pickcoder> (there are 9 servers, varied in load and size, using about 13A)[23:56:52] <pickcoder> two of them are 8-way Xeons[23:57:12] <pickcoder> thumbs: then it's gotta be running high load[23:57:26] <thumbs> pickcoder: somewhat, yes.[23:58:34] <pickcoder> EasyCo was advertising an MFT drive based green 1U machine that used 85W @ full use[23:58:43] <pickcoder> I don't see it on the site anymore[23:59:48] *** wdp has joined #postfix