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[00:13:02] <rob0> If there is, you're looking in the wrong place. Postfix is a MTA, concerned with transport of mail, not mail construction/manipulation.
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[00:13:45] <rob0> The Postfix side of that is very simple: aliases.5.html
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[00:27:24] <LinuxCode> apart from the obvious privacy issue there
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[00:57:28] <phantomcircuit> I want to accept mail for any domain and put it in a certain account (yeah i know it'll be a spam magnet)
[00:57:37] <phantomcircuit> what is the easiest way to do that?
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[01:58:18] <jluedke> anyone know if smtpd_end_of_data_restrictions holds response to client untill it passes?
[01:58:23] <jluedke> i assume yes.
[01:58:33] * jluedke tests
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[03:24:01] <standon> jluedke: yes.
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[08:37:55] <KB1JWQ> !pony
[08:37:56] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "pony" : http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg
[08:37:59] <KB1JWQ> !yespony
[08:38:00] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "yespony" : http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/Uncle_Tractor/pony.jpg
[08:38:49] <seekwill> KB1JWQ: Child porn!
[08:42:21] <KB1JWQ> seekwill: Only if it excites you. :D
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[14:40:59] <Zordrak> New postfix setup.. everthings done I think, except.. messageIDs arent finishing @fqdn.example.com, theyre finishing @hostname
[14:41:05] <Zordrak> any idea where the config is for that?
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[15:00:58] <schmilblick> hey guys, im having a bit of a problem with domainkeys.. I struggled to get DKIM-Status from bad to good, but once i did (by setting granularity to *) Yahoo says "domainkeys=neutral (no sig);"
[15:01:04] <schmilblick> i pasted the headers here: http://dpaste.com/76899/
[15:01:53] <schmilblick> im using dkimproxy by the way
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[16:08:17] <cite> schmilblick: Well, you don't have any DomainKeys headers in your mail, only DKIM. So...
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[16:12:42] <Zordrak> Still havent found where the hostname for the message-ids comes from. Cant be $myhostname as I'd expect it to be.. doesnt seem to be /etc/hosts, doesnt make sense for it to be a dns lookup on the IP as it would be fqdn... cant be checking /etc/HOSTNAME as thats distro-specific...
[16:13:19] <cite> Zordrak: Are you sure the message id is generated by Postfix? Not your MUA?
[16:14:07] <Zordrak> cite: hmmmmmm.. thats a good point...  only been testing it with mailto off the command line... will test thx
[16:15:05] <Zordrak> cite: genius.
[16:15:09] <Zordrak> thanks
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[16:44:19] <GT500> Hello.
[16:44:33] <GT500> Need some help with Postfix and Dovecot.
[16:45:28] <GT500> I've tried to setup Postfix to use Dovecot for SASL, but Postfix says "Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory"
[16:46:03] <GT500> I've copied my Postfix and Dovecot configs from a previous working setup.
[16:46:29] <GT500> And I have verified on both Postfix and Dovecit sites that both are correct.
[16:46:43] <GT500> I'm stumped.
[16:46:49] <GT500> Anyone have any ideas?
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[16:51:27] <standon_> GT500: clearly the configuration is *NOT* correct.
[16:51:32] <standon_> GT500: see the /topic for help.
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[17:02:08] <GT500> standon: You were right.
[17:02:29] <GT500> standon: All of that work rechecking my Dovecot config, and there was still an error.
[17:02:36] <GT500> Oh well.
[17:02:50] <GT500> Thanks.
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[17:14:23] <standon> *sigh*
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[17:39:00] <KB1JWQ> Shame he left, it's obviously a perms issue. :)
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[17:54:36] <standon> KB1JWQ: no, it was a configuration issue of some other sort; he solved and bounced after i urged him to reconsider his 'it's all perfect' stupid statement.  but he never wrote about the fix for posterity.  classic douchebaggery on display.
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[18:11:35] <Zordrak> Im just about finished the migration of the server from exim to postfix.. when im done i plan to flush the backup MX and then remove the backup MX. However for the initial flush, is there anything i need to do to tell postfix the backup MX is indeed a backup MX?
[18:12:21] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure i follow.
[18:12:58] <Zordrak> prolly cause the answer is just "no". im just checking really.
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[18:13:24] <Zordrak> i dont suppose it gives a toss where the mail is coming from
[18:13:24] <rob0> you mean, that you should always accept mail from it?
[18:13:30] <Zordrak> rob0: heyll no :)
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[18:13:58] <Zordrak> rob0: i dont trust that POS.. its all gonna get passed through the content filter :)
[18:14:05] <rob0> You should never bounce spam that your secondary MX has accepted on your behalf.
[18:14:14] <Zordrak> rob0: porquoi?
[18:15:07] 
[18:15:09] <rob0> For the same reason why backup MXs are not recommended. It is a spam magnet and becomes a source of backscatter abuse.
[18:15:39] <Zordrak> not sure what you mean.. assuming im gonna turn it off as soon as i flush it.. does it matter?
[18:15:52] <rob0> let's hope not!
[18:15:56] <Zordrak> heh
[18:16:09] <lunaphyte> oh - are you referring to your old server as a "backup mx"?
[18:16:13] <Zordrak> no
[18:16:24] <Zordrak> the ISP runs a store and forward for us
[18:16:31] <Zordrak> i dont want it anymore
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[18:16:41] <lunaphyte> so you're replacing an old qmail server with a postfix server, and you also have a backup mx?
[18:16:44] <Zordrak> but its taking mail while i do the migration
[18:16:49] <lunaphyte> i see.
[18:16:54] <Zordrak> s/qmail/exim/
[18:16:57] <Zordrak> but yes
[18:17:00] <lunaphyte> err, exim, right.
[18:17:20] <lunaphyte> so just flush it, let it deliver, and then turn it off.
[18:17:32] <lunaphyte> (and don't forget to remove it's dns entry, of course)
[18:18:13] <Zordrak> lunaphyte: replacing it with nolisting
[18:18:33] <Zordrak> though im considering adapting the nolisting to before-and-after
[18:18:43] <Zordrak> 10 null, 20 valid, 30 null
[18:19:02] <Zordrak> some people agree, others dont
[18:19:06] <Zordrak> seems reasonablre to me
[18:19:15] <rob0> Nolisting is mostly safe
[18:19:19] <lunaphyte> yeah, i'm not sure how i feel about that whole nolisting thing.
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[18:19:49] <Zordrak> nolisting itsel/f is, to me, a no brainer.. but some people have issues with putting a dead one as the lowest as well
[18:20:12] <rob0> I do vaguely recall one site having trouble getting through nolisting.
[18:20:26] <rob0> oh just use a "test-net" IP
[18:20:36] <Zordrak> muh?
[18:21:11] <rob0> nullmx.nodns4.us.       43200   IN      A       192.0.2.25
[18:21:22] <rob0> 192.0.2.0/24
[18:21:33] <Zordrak> that im not so sure about
[18:21:41] <Zordrak> i would only want to use a live IP
[18:21:49] <Zordrak> but with 25 locked out
[18:22:18] * thumbs smashes rob0
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[18:23:58] <Zordrak> rob0: wish me luck for Monday. Ive got till 4am monday morning to have postfix up and running exactly as exim was... or the company starts to lose money and im for the chop
[18:24:35] <standon> Zordrak: plan well, and start early.  and i hope for your sake, you're competent.
[18:24:38] <standon> if all else fails, hire me.
[18:24:50] <Zordrak> ive been planning since january
[18:24:56] <standon> hmm
[18:25:00] <Zordrak> was hoping to have test-run time.. but i didnt
[18:25:01] <standon> that suggests you're not competent. :)
[18:25:24] <Zordrak> so all was ready.. just limited dry-runs
[18:25:37] <Zordrak> did a dry-run with the mailbox migration and with mailman
[18:25:51] <lunaphyte> that's nice.  a stinging insult punctuated with a smiley face to make it all better.
[18:25:53] <Zordrak> standon: planning starts with an idea.. and that idea grows
[18:25:55] <Zordrak> :)
[18:26:01] <standon> Zordrak: truisms are cute.
[18:26:36] <Zordrak> plus i HAVE to plan well-ahead because im running the IT for a semiconductor company completely alone
[18:26:46] <standon> awwww
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[18:28:28] <rob0> semirunning the semi-IT :)
[18:28:54] <rob0> semi-alone ... we're here to do your work for you!
[18:29:09] <seekwill> *gulp*
[18:29:19] <Zordrak> rob0: bah.. you never here till nearly home-time :)
[18:30:35] <MehoATX> ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server
[18:30:41] <lunaphyte> !imap
[18:30:42] <knoba> lunaphyte: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[18:30:56] <standon> MehoATX: hi, welcome to #postfix; this is a support channel for the MTA.  we have NOTHING to do with IMAP.  thanks!
[18:31:06] <MehoATX> i get that message when i try to login into squirrelmail with root
[18:31:12] <Zordrak> >.<
[18:31:14] <lunaphyte> cool
[18:31:19] <MehoATX> ok sorry
[18:31:39] <standon> MehoATX: that's interesting.  try asking in #squirrelmail, #dovecot, or #somewhere-else.
[18:31:44] <MehoATX> what am i doing wrong if i can't send mail?
[18:31:49] <rob0> root ... ??
[18:31:55] <standon> MehoATX: read the fucking topic please.
[18:32:00] <lunaphyte> !tell MehoATX welcome
[18:33:00] <MehoATX> very nice
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[18:36:47] <MehoATX> thanx
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[18:46:14] <almail985> Zerberus: just to give thanks for the help you provided me yesterday, after increasing the serial value in the DNS zone file the MX request to the domain changed to the correct host, I also open a ticket with my ISP to resolve the trouble of the PTR entry. But now I can send/recieve emails fast and correctly..I just connect here to say yo thanks..and I mantain the beer invitation xD..Bye!
[18:46:45] <Zerberus> almail985: you are welcome
[18:46:54] <Zerberus> almail985: thanks for your kind feedback :)
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[18:47:50] <Zerberus> almail985: the serial is important for updates of the zone info as it is a trigger for other DNS servers to update their informations before the TTL is over
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[19:09:12] <MehoATX> if i can ask for some help here that would be nice?
[19:09:44] <MehoATX> i am new with all this so please excuse me
[19:09:48] <Zerberus> MehoATX: you don't have to ask to ask - just shoot and see if someone is able to help
[19:10:22] <MehoATX> ok i installed postfix and i can recieve mail but i can't sent it out?
[19:10:31] <MehoATX> can't*
[19:10:39] <rob0> 16:36 < lunaphyte> !tell MehoATX welcome
[19:11:14] <Zerberus> MehoATX: postfix logs his transmission works, so check your mail log
[19:14:51] <seekwill> I always thought Postfix was female
[19:15:22] <rob0> Neutered! PostFIXed.
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[19:19:37] <MehoATX> i got the log but its huge
[19:19:59] <MehoATX> if i give you url can you see what is wrong in it please
[19:20:15] <Zerberus> MehoATX: just take part which shows the failed sent case
[19:20:16] <MehoATX> url of the log
[19:20:25] <MehoATX> ok
[19:20:28] <Zerberus> MehoATX: just a a pastebin service
[19:20:38] <seekwill> Zerberus: Not everyone knows how to extract the relevant part :)
[19:20:56] <rob0> !verbose
[19:20:57] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[19:21:10] <rob0> You should NOT use verbose logging.
[19:22:02] <MehoATX> http://fpaste.org/c9Fo/
[19:22:17] <MehoATX> it's all there from august 8
[19:22:31] <lunaphyte> yikes.
[19:22:38] <lunaphyte> MehoATX: what's your goal?
[19:23:12] <lunaphyte> and/or what isn't working the way you want it to (or the way you think it should)?
[19:24:20] <MehoATX> i just want to be able to send mail i can recieve it
[19:24:37] <rob0> !basic
[19:24:37] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[19:26:04] <rob0> !tutorial
[19:26:04] <knoba> rob0: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[19:26:46] <rob0> In this case I would suggest starting from scratch using the real documentation.
[19:27:19] <MehoATX> ok
[19:27:56] <rob0> There's amavisd-new in all that mess, and a broken SASL ... more than one big problem.
[19:29:07] <MehoATX> so from scratch best ?
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[19:32:00] <rob0> The !basic link can get a functional system going. You can add on other features and tie into external software as/when needed. Those features and interfaces each have README files too.
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[20:02:51] <lunaphyte> let's take a poll.  should dkim signing be done before or after content_filter?
[20:03:59] <seekwill> after?
[20:04:34] <lunaphyte> what's the logic?
[20:04:50] <seekwill> What does content_filter do?
[20:05:10] <lunaphyte> amavis+sa/clamav/etc
[20:05:40] <seekwill> heh, do it after, and sign your SA headers hehe
[20:05:57] <lunaphyte> hmm...  :)
[20:06:13] <seekwill> Logic being, if your'e going to potentially block something, why sign it? (I am assuming you're doing content filtering on outbound email)
[20:06:25] <lunaphyte> ah, good logic.
[20:06:33] <seekwill> :D
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[20:06:40] <seekwill> I do know one or two things about email
[20:06:45] <seekwill> That was one of them :/
[20:06:54] <lunaphyte> yeah, this aspect really applies to outgoing messages, which are scanned as well, right.
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[20:19:35] * Zordrak found a case he didnt account for
[20:20:57] <Zordrak> what do you do if you want to bcc a virtual address? i.e. you want to take delivery at user1 at example dot com where example.com is a virtual mailbox domain, but you also want to send a copy to another alias..
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[20:32:57] <rob0> !virtual_alias_maps
[20:32:57] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[20:33:34] <rob0> virtual_alias_maps containing "user1 at example dot com   user1 at example dot com,some@where.else"
[20:33:49] <Zordrak> ahhhh.. didnt know that would work
[20:33:55] <Zordrak> thought thatd be a death spiral
[20:34:09] <Zordrak> thx
[20:34:14] <rob0> yw
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[21:58:31] <lunaphyte> well i'm an idiot
[21:58:42] <lunaphyte> who wants to throw spoiled food at me?
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[22:58:48] <cite> lunaphyte: Easy: Do DKIM signing _with_ you content_filter ;-)
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[23:13:14] <lunaphyte> cite: maia's amavis has no love for dkim just yet.
[23:14:04] <Dominian> lunaphyte: hopefully the maia developers can get on the ball..
[23:14:26] <lunaphyte> yeah, it's kind of a tough subject.
[23:14:44] <lunaphyte> i'd like to see some parity amongst the strains, but...
[23:14:56] <rob0> The whole idea of amavis was to be modular, so you could add in any kind of content filtering.
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[23:15:31] <Dominian> lunaphyte: well they supposedly were going to add more features and get caught up with what amavisd-new offers.. but I haven't seen that yet
[23:15:32] <lunaphyte> to be honest, i don't really mind using another method outside of amavis for dkim signing.
[23:15:38] <Dominian> nor I
[23:21:10] <lunaphyte> amavis is definitely modular.  so modular you have to know the language it was programmed in to adjust the config file  ;)
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[23:22:03] <Gerdesas> doesn't everyone know perl?
[23:22:24] <Gerdesas> to be fair, the config file is... cumbersome.
[23:23:56] <lunaphyte> i know enough perl to know i shouldn't mess with perl for anything meaningful
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[23:24:45] <lunaphyte> anytime you have config file with arrays, you know you're in for a treat
[23:27:35] <rob0> Array of sunlight. Arrays of your pay. Arrays in muffin.
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