August 7, 2009 
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August 7, 2009 [00:00:54] <milko> Hotmail filter the emails sent with postfix?[00:00:57] *** knoba has quit IRC[00:01:01] <milko> anybody?[00:02:34] *** knoba has joined #postfix[00:03:07] *** f3ew has quit IRC[00:03:41] <rob0> !tell milko welcome[00:03:50] <rob0> !hotmail[00:03:51] <knoba> rob0: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.[00:03:57] <rob0> !fcrdns[00:03:57] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .[00:08:15] *** madrescher has quit IRC[00:10:17] <milko> knoba, I'm installing a server, and it will work in my home...[00:10:35] <standon> milko: unless you fancy talking to robots, don't speak to knoba.[00:10:45] *** Methose has quit IRC[00:10:49] <milko> standon, ehehehe[00:11:08] <rob0> !basic[00:11:09] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[00:11:31] <milko> standon, I'm installing a server, and it will work in my home...[00:11:44] <rob0> The documentation is good, but unfortunately, in English. Perhaps you can find a good translation?[00:11:58] <pingouin> what is the directive in main.cf to handle several relayhost, sending to each one according to the me at domain dot tld, me at anotherdomain dot tld ?[00:11:59] <standon> milko: you already said that. do you have a specific question?[00:12:16] <standon> pingouin: is me at domain dot tld the SENDER or the RECIPIENT in your example?[00:12:29] <pingouin> standon: the sender sorry[00:12:37] <standon> pingouin: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sender_dependent_relayhost_maps[00:12:45] <rob0> Another problem is that although documentation is good, prequisite knowledge is high ...[00:12:47] <rob0> !easy[00:12:48] <knoba> rob0: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[00:12:51] <milko> if my server is not public yet, then the mails that I send using postfix to "... at hotmail dot com", Hotmail will banned?[00:13:04] *** uqlev has quit IRC[00:13:06] *** war9407 has quit IRC[00:13:12] <rob0> And at that I am finished.[00:13:27] <milko> standon, ^ sorry, I'm bad with English!, and very low![00:13:53] <pingouin> standon: thank you very much[00:15:00] <milko> if my server is not public yet, then the mails that I send using postfix to "... at hotmail dot com", Hotmail will banned them?[00:18:09] *** pingouin has quit IRC[00:18:40] <milko> *slow[00:21:39] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[00:22:00] *** f3ew has quit IRC[00:24:31] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[00:25:14] *** f3ew has quit IRC[00:26:01] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[00:26:13] *** jacekowski has left #postfix[00:26:38] *** f3ew has quit IRC[00:27:27] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[00:30:03] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:31:36] <pickcoder> milko: public?[00:32:05] <milko> pickcoder, I want say that my server haven't a domain associated[00:33:41] <pickcoder> milko: the mail probably won't get delivered[00:33:47] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[00:34:20] <milko> if I'm using something as free-ip?[00:34:56] *** Skaag has quit IRC[00:34:59] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[00:35:01] *** Revision_ has quit IRC[00:35:47] *** Revision_ has joined #postfix[00:36:10] <pickcoder> milko: try it and see[00:36:34] <milko> I'm not in my house now :s[00:37:47] *** TeckniX has quit IRC[00:38:31] *** Bogus8 has quit IRC[00:51:11] *** F6F has quit IRC[01:03:09] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[01:05:26] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[01:05:54] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[01:10:03] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[01:15:39] <jluedke> Is it possible to recieve mail for postmaster if the ip it is comming from is currently hitting max connection rate by anvil?[01:18:30] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[01:26:31] *** troy- has quit IRC[01:34:24] *** troy- has joined 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IRC[04:13:54] *** jtaji_ has joined #postfix[04:15:57] *** jtaji_ has quit IRC[04:32:33] *** aixenv2 has joined #postfix[04:36:02] *** Revision_ has quit IRC[04:46:32] *** _wms has quit IRC[04:48:20] *** milko has quit IRC[04:49:11] *** aixenv has quit IRC[04:50:06] *** _wms has joined #postfix[04:50:19] *** ramoni has left #postfix[04:54:50] *** qiyong has joined #postfix[04:54:51] *** penrod has quit IRC[04:54:57] <qiyong> hi[04:55:14] <qiyong> postfix/cleanup[9347]: CAD181236E2: milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[04:55:24] <qiyong> 4.7.1 Service unavailable - try again later[04:55:31] <qiyong> anyone know that?[05:03:44] *** aixenv2 has quit IRC[05:04:03] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[05:07:59] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[05:08:21] *** Skaag has quit IRC[05:10:53] *** makerc has quit IRC[05:13:40] *** jens_ has quit IRC[05:14:13] *** jens_ has joined #postfix[05:23:29] *** AndrewKT_ is now known as AndrewKT[05:30:13] *** meaton2veggies has joined #postfix[05:34:31] *** Krooks has joined #postfix[05:35:05] <Krooks> How can I prevent someone from telnetting to port 25 and sending an email ?[05:35:33] <Dominian> Krooks: don't run a mail server?[05:36:31] <LinuxCode> Dominian, hehe[05:36:34] <LinuxCode> ;-D[05:36:44] <meaton2veggies> hi all[05:36:58] <Krooks> Dominian: c'mon I'm serious.[05:37:09] <meaton2veggies> just got some problems fwd mail to open relay[05:37:16] <Dominian> Krooks: Well, your question was completely open.. no detail.. what kind of answer did you expect...?[05:37:16] <LinuxCode> Krooks, by configuring postfix to only allow receipt for local users[05:37:31] <LinuxCode> or virtual users[05:37:34] <Dominian> by default postfix does not open relay.. so if that's what you're worried about...[05:37:37] <meaton2veggies> getting a std err: warning: ::1: address not listed for hostname localhost[05:37:50] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: What do you have configured for inet_interfaces?[05:37:59] <Krooks> I just attended a seminar and the guy just showed me he send me an email by telneting to port 25 and sending an email to me.[05:38:00] <meaton2veggies> not using postfix as open relay but sending mail ie relayhost[05:38:21] <LinuxCode> Krooks, so ?[05:38:21] <Dominian> Krooks: If its a domain you host, thats normal[05:38:27] <LinuxCode> thats normal[05:38:30] <Dominian> Krooks: How do you think email gets to you in the first place?[05:38:39] <Dominian> Krooks: Whoever gave this seminar.. is a moron[05:38:42] <LinuxCode> Dominian, I thought it was magic[05:38:47] <LinuxCode> lol[05:39:04] <Dominian> "hey look, I can send you email on your own server.. to your own hosted domain.. through port 25... zomg.. I'm a hacka!"[05:39:10] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: havent done anything with inet_interfaces[05:39:10] <Dominian> *smack*[05:39:13] <LinuxCode> Krooks, telnet allows you to debug your MYA[05:39:15] <LinuxCode> MTA[05:39:16] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: when did the issue start?[05:39:25] <Krooks> Dominian: But I don't want people to telnet to port 25 and sending an email to my CEO and say to him 'fuck you' and put the FROM: me .[05:39:38] <Dominian> Krooks: well, that's what internet email headers are for[05:39:44] <LinuxCode> Krooks, that is where you put sender checks in[05:39:48] <meaton2veggies> from start, it can send mail locally[05:39:57] <LinuxCode> Krooks, fix your smtp[05:40:04] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: let me rephrase: what did you change right before this started happening?[05:40:06] <LinuxCode> Krooks, postfix has the necessary options[05:40:13] <Krooks> LinuxCode: fix it how ?[05:40:25] <LinuxCode> Krooks, by first reading about how to configure postifx[05:40:26] <LinuxCode> ?!?![05:40:29] <Dominian> imho, Krooks , there's nothing to fix.[05:40:40] <Krooks> so its not a problem ?[05:40:41] <Dominian> that guy giving the seminar was a retard[05:40:54] <Dominian> sender_checks may help, but headers in the email can show that YOU didn't send it[05:40:55] <Krooks> But we were not in the office.[05:41:01] <Krooks> We are somewhere else[05:41:04] <Dominian> port 25 IS how email is passed from server to server.. no way around it[05:41:11] <meaton2veggies> dont think i changed anything, your same basic config, set myhostname, added relayhost[05:41:15] <Dominian> Krooks: how the hell do you think email gets from point A to point B?[05:41:41] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: that error messages is looking for an IPv6 localhost equivalent.[05:42:08] <Krooks> Dominian: I understand what you mean. But isn't there an option where only authenticated people can send through my smtpd ?[05:42:52] <Dominian> Krooks: look...[05:42:59] <Dominian> Do you plan on accepting email from other companies around the world?[05:43:35] <Krooks> Because as it is right now, anyone can telnet to my port 25 and send 'funny' email to anyone. The system should be a little more robust , don't you think.[05:43:44] <Krooks> Dominian: ofc ourse[05:43:46] <Dominian> ok[05:43:47] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: 127.0.0.1 should be set localhost.localdomain localhost[05:43:56] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: mynetworks has the IPv6 stuff in it[05:44:02] <Dominian> Do you think you're going to get every server in the world to AUTH to your server just to send you an email?[05:44:07] <Dominian> Krooks: They will literally tell you to piss off.[05:44:31] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[05:44:56] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: well logs on a pastebin would be good[05:44:59] <Dominian> and output of postconf -n[05:45:25] <Krooks> Dominian: What I mean is to receive yes open to anyone but to send.[05:45:58] <Krooks> Dominian: No problem to receive from anyone. I got a mailscanner to scan for spam. But to send.[05:46:02] <Dominian> Krooks: They will be able to send email to you no matter what.. if you host the domain.. they can send to active accounts in that domain.. they will not be able to RELAY through you.. that's what you wanna be careful of[05:47:45] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[05:48:07] <Krooks> Dominian: RELAY as in send an email from my server to another server, right ?[05:48:25] <Dominian> right[05:48:30] <Dominian> by default postfix does not relay[05:48:36] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: http://pastebin.com/d52352f18[05:48:37] <Gerdesas> well, actually 'through' your server[05:48:59] <Dominian> Gerdesas: through, from.. same thing really.[05:49:25] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: maybe change inet_protocols?[05:49:31] <Gerdesas> not really. from == originates on his server; through == originates elsewhere and is relaying through him.[05:49:37] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: looking[05:49:39] <Gerdesas> but it's all semantics[05:49:56] <Dominian> Gerdesas: if I telnet into his server.. its going to be "from" his server ;)[05:50:01] <meaton2veggies> ::1 is defined in /etc/hosts[05:50:08] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: inet_interfaces = loopback-only[05:50:10] <Dominian> that's bad[05:50:13] <Dominian> :)[05:50:16] <meaton2veggies> ahk[05:50:17] <Dominian> !inet_interfaces[05:50:17] <knoba> Dominian: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.[05:50:19] *** craigbass1976 has joined #postfix[05:50:58] *** _wms has left #postfix[05:51:07] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: remove and use default?[05:51:36] <craigbass1976> I'm setting up a new domain; mail is screwed up. I edit /etc/postfix/virtual, then postmap /etc/postfix/virtual, postfix reload, and /etc/init.d/postfix restart What'd I miss?[05:51:44] <meaton2veggies> should be 'all'[05:51:47] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: default is 'all'[05:51:50] <Dominian> that should work[05:51:57] <Dominian> you can comment it out and then restart postfix[05:52:03] <Dominian> postconf -d will give you what default sare[05:52:09] <Dominian> postconf -n are settings you've changed from the defaults[05:52:47] *** nb has quit IRC[05:52:56] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: still get some connection issue[05:53:03] <Dominian> probably will[05:53:06] <Dominian> what's it saying now?[05:54:01] <craigbass1976> I don't see this domain doign a postconf -n; can't remember where to make it so[05:54:06] <Dominian> meaton2veggies: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128[05:54:11] <Dominian> that's another no no[05:54:16] <meaton2veggies> yeah :S[05:54:17] <meaton2veggies> opps[05:54:20] <Dominian> You're telling postfix to only accept email from localhost[05:54:27] <Dominian> oh god..[05:54:31] <Dominian> this is debian/ubuntu isn't it!?[05:54:34] <meaton2veggies> oh thats bad yes[05:54:38] <meaton2veggies> yes its deb/ubuntu[05:54:42] <Dominian> fsck[05:54:51] <Dominian> myorigin = /etc/mailname[05:54:54] <Dominian> tips me off everytime lol[05:55:01] <meaton2veggies> yep haha[05:55:21] *** jens__ has joined #postfix[05:58:59] <craigbass1976> aha... main.cf[06:00:04] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: whats the recommended config?[06:00:11] <Dominian> !basic[06:00:11] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[06:00:18] <Dominian> you might wanna start there[06:02:29] *** craigbass1976 has quit IRC[06:03:37] *** will_ has joined #postfix[06:08:14] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: connection is working now[06:08:29] <Dominian> woot[06:11:27] *** jens_ has quit IRC[06:16:11] *** yajith has joined #postfix[06:18:05] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: mails still not hoppin to the smtp relay though[06:18:22] <Dominian> Could be something on the other end?[06:19:26] <will_> Logs![06:22:55] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:26:48] *** yajith has quit IRC[06:26:52] *** yajith has joined #postfix[06:28:57] *** yajith has quit IRC[06:29:02] *** yajith has joined #postfix[06:31:30] *** yajith has quit IRC[06:31:34] *** yajith has joined #postfix[06:35:18] *** zz_nb has joined #postfix[06:35:38] *** zz_nb is now known as nb[06:39:28] *** F6F has joined #postfix[07:06:46] *** cite has quit IRC[07:07:28] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: http://pastebin.com/m55b5600e[07:07:38] <meaton2veggies> Dominian: sorry was busy for a bit[07:11:29] *** cite has joined #postfix[07:14:30] *** ashwinmuni has joined #postfix[07:14:59] <ashwinmuni> can i change FROM : when i receive any mails to postfix[07:18:42] *** _bugz_ has quit IRC[07:19:11] <Dominian> !mangle[07:19:11] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "mangle" is not a valid command.[07:19:14] <Dominian> !mangling[07:19:14] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "mangling" is not a valid command.[07:19:16] <Dominian> damn it[07:19:36] <Dominian> ashwinmuni: why would you want to do that?[07:21:03] <cite> !mung[07:21:03] <knoba> cite: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.[07:21:41] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[07:22:09] *** bhagat has quit IRC[07:25:22] <ashwinmuni> Dominian: They are internal or my work place mail i want them all to come from a same domain. so is this possible[07:25:43] <Dominian> ashwinmuni: i still don't know what you want... that is confusing.[07:26:14] *** madrescher has quit IRC[07:32:14] <ashwinmuni> Dominian: Actually all the mail genrated in my lan come with user at mail dot ashwin.com i want when they send mail the from id should be user at mycompany dot com[07:32:25] <Dominian> !basic[07:32:25] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[07:39:17] *** Dominian has quit IRC[07:39:48] *** Dominian has joined #postfix[07:43:10] *** yajith has quit IRC[07:43:46] *** hparker has quit IRC[08:01:51] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[08:11:15] *** Filbert- has quit IRC[08:15:32] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[08:19:13] *** Filbert- has joined #postfix[08:21:13] *** _bugz_ has joined #postfix[08:28:15] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:30:26] *** thunderstrike has joined #postfix[08:39:09] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[08:40:26] *** Krooks has quit IRC[08:47:31] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:49:09] *** InsolentDreams has quit IRC[08:50:30] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[09:00:15] *** Southron has quit IRC[09:02:15] *** Krooks has joined #postfix[09:04:02] *** vys has joined #postfix[09:08:18] *** polaru has joined #postfix[09:11:22] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[09:20:06] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[09:20:07] *** sterna has joined #postfix[09:20:35] <sterna> hi, how can i make postfix rewrite mail locally originating as user@localhost to user@myhostname?[09:21:17] <sterna> i thought that was called masquerading, but masquerade_domains seems something different[09:21:45] <sterna> would canonical maps do?[09:22:59] <sterna> if i put "@localhost @myhostname" in it?[09:26:24] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[09:28:37] <qiyong> anyone know that? milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[09:31:27] *** MrGrieves has quit IRC[09:32:25] *** MrGrieves has joined #postfix[09:33:25] *** cilly has joined #postfix[09:33:41] *** sterna has left #postfix[09:39:39] *** meaton2veggies has quit IRC[09:41:36] *** Robbie__ has joined #postfix[09:48:55] *** tom_wifi has joined #postfix[09:49:35] <tom_wifi> How can I have postfix reject invalid characters in the <from> or <to> fields? I seem to receive email going to or coming from <|user at example dot com>[09:52:21] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:55:36] *** defaultro has quit IRC[09:56:15] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[09:57:21] *** wdp has quit IRC[10:02:39] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[10:03:16] *** qiyong has left #postfix[10:18:39] *** mwatts_ has joined #postfix[10:26:55] *** mwatts_ has joined #postfix[10:27:17] *** Roobarb-Work has quit IRC[10:27:23] *** mwatts_ is now known as Roobarb-Work[10:36:19] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:37:53] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[10:39:38] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[10:40:11] *** cilly has quit IRC[10:40:22] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[10:56:41] *** githogori has quit IRC[11:01:44] *** vys has quit IRC[11:02:26] *** vys has joined #postfix[11:04:06] *** xous has joined #postfix[11:06:47] <TomHome> reject_invalid_hostname is obsolete is that correct ?[11:13:45] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[11:15:14] *** _xous has quit IRC[11:16:39] <Zerberus> TomHome: not difficult to find in man 5 postconf[11:20:05] <TomHome> yep[11:20:10] <TomHome> I checked actually[11:20:29] <TomHome> but I had a doubt because it was written only once :)[11:22:58] *** thunderstrike has quit IRC[11:34:24] *** cilly has joined #postfix[11:37:47] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[11:38:41] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[11:40:19] *** almail985 has joined #postfix[11:44:44] <almail985> Hi every one, I recently installed a postfix on a debian 5 followin the Signum tutorial for that distribution. It seems that I made some mistake because the outgoing messages are fast to be delivered but when I try to send from my gmail or a yahoo account to the mail server I installed the mail arrives after many hours[11:46:05] <almail985> if I whatch the mail.log the system dosn't register anithing there reciving the request from the gmail servers[11:46:38] *** yajith has joined #postfix[11:46:47] <almail985> and after some hour (maybe 5 or more) the mail its on the inbox[11:47:09] <Zerberus> almail985: do you think it is a good idea to run the development branch of debian as a mail server?[11:50:08] <almail985> ashh..I really dosn't know to mutch about linux to judge that[11:50:18] <almail985> but I thing that 5, debian lenny its stable now[11:50:20] <almail985> not?[11:53:41] <almail985> Zerberus: anyway this shoudn't be the reason. What I really don't understand its after sending a mail from my gmail to this mail server the mail.log doesn't register anithing[11:55:23] <Zerberus> almail985: ah sorry, thought debian stable would be release 4, you are right, checked it on debian.org[11:55:52] <Zerberus> almail985: if your DNS entries are fresh, it might come from that[11:56:14] <almail985> I dont know if maybe its the DNS server from the domain. I have configured on a public server[11:56:22] <almail985> now if been writting that jejeje[11:56:28] *** yajith has left #postfix[11:57:38] <almail985> Zerberus, how many time it needs?[11:58:17] <Zerberus> almail985: depends on the time periods you have configured for your zone[12:00:24] <almail985> Zerberus: I just took a DNS example file and I addapted . They are this ones ([12:00:24] <almail985> 1226002987 ; Serial[12:00:24] <almail985> 10800 ; Refresh[12:00:24] <almail985> 3600 ; Retry[12:00:24] <almail985> 604800 ; Expire[12:00:25] <almail985> 10800 ) ; Minimum[12:00:44] <almail985> $TTL 86400[12:02:13] <almail985> And like the records I have are this ones: mail.example.com IN A 1.2.3.4[12:02:19] *** oekotaco has joined #postfix[12:02:23] <oekotaco> hi everyone.[12:02:25] <almail985> and at the end I have the entry for the MX[12:02:38] <oekotaco> again have som problems but this time with authentication.. :/[12:03:16] <oekotaco> i used pam authentication before.. but after postfix upgrade-configuration it dosn't work. i used pam based authentication[12:03:16] <almail985> example.com IN MX 10 mail.example.com.[12:03:25] <oekotaco> one sec. and i will post pastebin url.[12:05:28] <Zerberus> almail985: is your domain a secret? if not please name it so I can dig for the values[12:06:18] <almail985> can I paste here the DNS zone file?[12:06:53] <almail985> weboolize.com[12:09:08] <oekotaco> http://pastebin.com/d26915977[12:09:10] <oekotaco> here we go.[12:10:59] <Zerberus> almail985: your MX entry points to mail.weboolize.com, and that does not resolve for me[12:12:27] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[12:12:40] <oekotaco> hmm.[12:12:42] <Zerberus> oekotaco: you use saslauthd?[12:12:56] <oekotaco> no i used courierauthd before.[12:13:09] <oekotaco> with pam authentication[12:13:31] <almail985> I copied to oekotaco, I liked his idea Zerberus look at, this is my DNS file http://pastebin.com/d5ff079ec[12:15:34] <oekotaco> but that makes me so confused...[12:15:47] <oekotaco> only outgoing mails will not work.[12:15:59] <almail985> I know the DNS request respond mail.weboolize.com (this value was some days ago the MX record) but I changed to cerbero.weboolize.com[12:16:11] <oekotaco> if i get mails from courier-imapd it works perferct to authenticate..[12:16:49] <oekotaco> i know this are two different parts.. but it makes me confused anywa.[12:17:05] <Zerberus> almail985: you ns.weboolize.com still give mail.weboolize.com as MX[12:17:10] <Zerberus> almail985: weboolize.com. 10800 IN SOA weboolize.com. admin\ at weboolize dot com. 1226002987 10800 3600 604800 10800[12:18:08] <Zerberus> almail985: now it changed[12:20:31] <Zerberus> oekotaco: your postfix tries to speak with the saslauthd[12:20:51] <Zerberus> oekotaco: check your SASL configuration parameters to match the use of courierauthd[12:21:04] <oekotaco> yes. thats what i see.. but i have no clue why.[12:21:25] <oekotaco> in which file i have to check this "sasl/smtpd.conf" ?[12:21:41] <oekotaco> pwcheck_method: saslauthd[12:21:42] <oekotaco> oh.[12:24:13] <almail985> Zerberus: Shall I change the DNS file and replace the 3 line per your line? or just to change the $TTL value to 10800?[12:24:23] *** ferent has joined #postfix[12:26:17] <ferent> hi people, I'm studying wich solution is better to send a lot of emails (not spam)[12:26:17] <Zerberus> almail985: I was just pasting the SOA record results I am actually getting from your ns[12:26:26] *** diqpi1 has joined #postfix[12:27:01] <ferent> somebody know a web to see a comparative of email servers?[12:27:11] <ferent> postfix, sendmail, qmail...[12:27:53] *** diqpib has quit IRC[12:28:57] <almail985> Zerberus: teh file its on the server running its http://pastebin.com/d5ff079ec. where could be the problem?[12:29:15] <ferent> or maybe, where I can find the postfix features[12:29:26] <ferent> or benchmarks[12:31:25] <Zerberus> almail985: it looks ok, while I don't see the serial has changed[12:31:52] <oekotaco> damn.. i don't get it.[12:31:59] <Zerberus> almail985: and be aware that you have a forward / reverse mismatch[12:33:47] <almail985> Zerberus: what means that?[12:34:12] <Zerberus> almail985: a potential problem with mails[12:35:16] <almail985> Zerberus: jejejeje...ashh...why?I just followed the Signum tutorial in workarround[12:35:30] <Zerberus> almail985: the wrong resolution for your MX comes from 87.98.145.43[12:35:46] <Zerberus> ups, sorry, not that IP, but sdns1.ovh.net.[12:36:03] *** sophokles has quit IRC[12:36:20] <Zerberus> almail985: just following a tutorial does not mean to make everything right[12:36:47] <Zerberus> almail985: tutorials typically only tell you a small part of the whole story[12:38:15] <almail985> Zerberus: I know, I try to understand everything, but a mail server its complex to understand everything in one time. and the tutorial like you say its made in a context that not always its the same than the reader context[12:38:25] *** Filbert- has quit IRC[12:38:48] <almail985> Zerberus: what shall I do?[12:40:25] <Zerberus> almail985: to fix the cached DNS: increase your serial of the zone and reload it[12:40:40] <Zerberus> almail985: best set it to date plus counter: 2009080801[12:40:54] <Zerberus> almail985: and each time you change the zone, increase the serial[12:41:08] <almail985> Zerberus: jejeje..I forgot it. thanks for helping me, if you come to Barcelona some day I will envite you a beer ;)[12:41:15] <almail985> OK[12:42:27] <Zerberus> almail985: for the forward / reverse topic: get your ISP to set a PTR for your IP to cerbero.weboolize.com[12:43:11] <Zerberus> almail985: so that both match: host cerbero.weboolize.com and host 87.98.145.43[12:48:25] <oekotaco> warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused[12:48:28] <oekotaco> *gnaaar*[12:50:22] *** vys has quit IRC[12:51:01] *** Krooks has quit IRC[12:51:47] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[12:57:25] *** tim-ct has joined #postfix[12:58:26] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[12:59:35] *** ashwinmuni has quit IRC[12:59:41] <tim-ct> hi all any idea why I am getting: postfix/error[1207]: fatal: proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/maps/mys ql/relay_domains(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem. nothing on google[13:00:49] *** vys has joined #postfix[13:04:10] <Zerberus> tim-ct: what appears for a manual postmap query with verbose output?[13:07:08] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[13:08:27] <tim-ct> zerberus: postmap /etc/postfix/maps/mys ql/relay_domains?????? nothing[13:10:19] <Zerberus> tim-ct: did you read man postmap?[13:12:16] *** vys has quit IRC[13:13:55] <tim-ct> let me look[13:15:20] *** cpm has joined #postfix[13:16:31] <oekotaco> *gnaar* postfix won't authenticate users for sending mails..[13:16:32] <oekotaco> :/[13:16:50] <oekotaco> Zerberus: any idea what else could be wrong?[13:18:44] *** GoGi2 has joined #postfix[13:22:04] *** internat has quit IRC[13:22:24] *** denis__ has joined #postfix[13:22:38] *** internat has joined #postfix[13:24:39] *** GoGi2 has quit IRC[13:25:25] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[13:28:28] *** jtaji has quit IRC[13:30:15] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[13:39:13] *** aixenv2 has joined #postfix[13:39:47] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[13:46:49] *** polaru has quit IRC[13:52:39] *** Pazzo has joined #postfix[13:54:48] *** aixenv has quit IRC[13:54:51] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[14:01:01] *** polaru has joined #postfix[14:02:17] *** aixenv2 has quit IRC[14:09:14] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:09:34] *** Southron has joined #Postfix[14:14:21] <Zerberus> oekotaco: sorry, had lunch[14:14:47] <Zerberus> oekotaco: you will have to provide log content for analysis[14:20:04] *** fraff has joined #postfix[14:20:47] *** eanxgeek_ has quit IRC[14:26:27] *** Bad_Religion has joined #postfix[14:31:17] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[14:31:40] *** aixenv2 has joined #postfix[14:32:38] *** cilly has quit IRC[14:34:09] *** cilly has joined #postfix[14:43:27] *** F6F_ has joined #postfix[14:45:08] *** aixenv2 has quit IRC[14:49:25] *** aixenv has quit IRC[14:51:04] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[14:58:36] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:58:57] *** F6F has quit IRC[15:01:28] *** aixenv2 has joined #postfix[15:01:37] *** jtrm has quit IRC[15:04:50] *** mac-_ has joined #postfix[15:04:56] *** mac- has quit IRC[15:08:07] *** vys has joined #postfix[15:14:59] *** almail985 has quit IRC[15:19:12] *** aixenv has quit IRC[15:20:56] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[15:24:29] *** cilly has quit IRC[15:36:34] <Zordrak> Ive got something upside-down face.. i have an understanding fail relating to Virtual Alias Domains vs. Virtual Mailbox domains[15:37:09] <Zordrak> i have my primary domain (where mail is picked up by users) set as a VMD and other domains that are just forwarders set as VADs[15:37:51] <Zordrak> but, its causing mail to be undeliverable (ie mailman mail) if a mailbox doesnt exist[15:39:01] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[15:39:10] <Zordrak> so if you mail a list address (info at example dot com), even though its in mailman's aliases file which is in the config under virtual_alias_maps, the mail is rejected because it looks up whether theres an actual delivery mailbox for it in ldap, finds there isnt and rejects[15:40:30] <Zordrak> "user unknown in virtual mailbox table"[15:42:01] *** cilly has joined #postfix[15:42:13] *** pingouin has quit IRC[15:42:18] <Zordrak> it would make sense if the virtual mailbox domain had its own aliases definitions... but it doesnt.. so i have to specify aliases in a virtual alias domain map file...[15:42:50] <Zordrak> or am i missing something... perhaps there IS a way of defining aliases for a virtual mailbox domain separately from the virtual alias domains...[15:44:05] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[15:46:30] *** jens__ has quit IRC[15:47:40] *** makerc has joined #postfix[15:47:49] *** emptystr has joined #postfix[15:48:15] <emptystr> hello everyone.[15:48:35] *** TeckniX is now known as Tecknix_idle[15:48:45] *** Tecknix_idle is now known as TeckniX_idle[15:48:47] <emptystr> i'am trying to set up a mail server, and reading a how to from workaround.org Debian Lenny version , everything went fine , expect Sieve filter whit spamassassin.[15:49:20] <emptystr> i can 't get to work. i allways deliver the mail to INBOX rather then .spam[15:52:35] <Signum> emptystr: have you set up a rule with avelsieve (in squirrelmail)? or a global sieverc?[15:54:20] <Signum> Zordrak: the virtual_alias_maps works for both virtual_alias_domains and virtual_mailbox_domains[15:54:26] *** TeckniX_idle has quit IRC[15:54:27] <Signum> Zordrak: There is no distinction.[15:54:43] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[15:58:05] <emptystr> Signum i have a globalsieverc[15:58:25] <emptystr> http://pastebin.com/m11d508cd[15:59:04] <Signum> emptystr: is the X-Spam-Flag set in the email that ends up in your inbox?[15:59:54] <Zordrak> Signum: thought so[16:00:11] <emptystr> do you meen the Email headers whit the X-Spam-Flag:Yes ?[16:00:36] <Signum> emptystr: right[16:00:44] <Zordrak> Signum: plot thickened - it works for aliases in the database.. but not working for mailman aliases, even theugh the mailman alias file is specified as a virtual_alias_maps table[16:00:45] <emptystr> yes all the test spam mails just end in my inbox in place of the spam dir.[16:00:57] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:01:46] *** will_ has quit IRC[16:02:22] *** TeckniX is now known as TeckniX_idle[16:07:11] *** SARGuy has joined #postfix[16:07:41] *** _p8709645 has joined #postfix[16:09:42] <Signum> emptystr: Do you have any further rules for your user? Because the global sieve rules don't work if you have a per-user ("private") sieve file.[16:10:01] <Signum> Zordrak: Strange. Actually virtual_alias_maps works for everything in postfix.[16:12:26] *** cilly has joined #postfix[16:12:58] *** loddafnir has joined #postfix[16:13:04] <Zordrak> Signum: *nod* i think the problem may be more sinister[16:13:22] <Zordrak> seems to be specific to mailman -- or maybe attempted pipingf i dont know[16:13:24] <emptystr> Signum no.[16:14:06] <Signum> emptystr: Hmmm.[16:14:12] <emptystr> Sigum iam using thunderbird to check the email, i create the the dir under thunderbird as Spam[16:14:40] *** aixenv2 has quit IRC[16:14:40] <Signum> emptystr: Well, your deliver log tells that it was delivered to the inbox and not the spam folder. So I'd say thunderbird is not lying. Still strange.[16:14:42] <emptystr> maildir -> /var/vmail/domain.name/username/Maildir/.Spam[16:16:48] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[16:18:23] *** TomHome has quit IRC[16:20:38] *** cilly has quit IRC[16:21:18] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[16:23:10] *** gerhard7 has joined #postfix[16:23:14] <Zordrak> Signum: is there any reason you cant have a pipe in a virtual alias definition?[16:24:44] * cpm pipes Signum[16:24:45] <Signum> Zordrak: Yes. You don't have a shell user.[16:25:09] <Signum> Zordrak: System users have a context in which a pipe can be run. While virtual users don't.[16:25:17] <Signum> Zordrak: Actually that's half the truth. :)[16:25:26] <Zordrak> wtf? so... how do you pipe?[16:25:32] <Signum> Zordrak: After all there is virtual_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps.[16:25:36] <Signum> Zordrak: You forward to a system user.[16:25:55] <Signum> Zordrak: E.g. "mydestination = localhost". And then use an alias like "some at virtual dot user" -> "mailman-foo-list@localhost"[16:26:07] <Signum> Zordrak: That's how I integrate mailman currently. There are other approaches though.[16:26:08] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[16:26:22] <Zordrak> ive not seen *any* of this mentioned in the mailman postfix virtual docs[16:27:09] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[16:27:23] <Signum> Zordrak: It's a secret. ;)[16:28:00] <Zordrak> seriously though.. are you saying the mailman docs on postfix+virtual are just wrong?[16:28:11] <Signum> Zordrak: If you want to sacrifice a domain for mailman purposes there is also a script called /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py that may aid you.[16:28:19] <Zordrak> i cant[16:28:24] <Signum> Zordrak: I wouldn't say they are wrong. Actually I haven't looked at the docs for a while.[16:28:31] <Zordrak> the lists already exist on the primary domain[16:29:19] <Zordrak> firstname.lastname at example dot com = LDAP lookup, virtual delivery[16:29:32] <Zordrak> listname at example dot com "| mailman"[16:29:39] <Zordrak> thats effectively what i need[16:30:26] <Zordrak> i need to find out what the deal is with ~mailman/data/virtual-mailman[16:30:29] <Zordrak> i dont have that fileo[16:30:37] <Zordrak> but its the one the docs talk about[16:31:16] <Zordrak> nfway... i suddenly do![16:31:43] <Zordrak> this could be the answer[16:32:15] <Signum> Zordrak: The biggest caveat is that using a pipe directly from a virtual alias won't work. You'll have to either use a transport service or master.cf or something crazy. Or just forward it to a local alias which in turn can use a pipe from /etc/aliases[16:34:34] <Zordrak> COME OOONNNNN!!!!!![16:34:40] <Zordrak> Signum: i figured it out[16:34:49] <Signum> Zordrak: great :)[16:34:54] * cpm likes mailman_to_postfix.py[16:34:56] <Signum> Zordrak: You may also be interested in http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/index.html.en#mailing-lists-with-mailman[16:35:06] <Zordrak> Signum: mailman creates a file called virtual-mailman that is basically just a precursor[16:35:07] <Signum> Zordrak: This fabulous web page lists several ways.[16:35:46] <Zordrak> Signum: for every entry in mailman's aliases file.. it creates a virtual alias entry that points that address to the same user but local[16:36:01] <Signum> Zordrak: sounds familiar[16:36:21] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[16:36:29] <Zordrak> frow where it gets piped[16:36:29] <Zordrak> tftl[16:36:51] <Zordrak> Signum: the docs could ccertainly be clearer about it[16:40:11] <seekwill> docs@[16:40:54] <Signum> docs are for wimps[16:41:54] *** githogori has joined #postfix[16:43:57] <pickcoder> consultants are better then docs[16:44:05] <pickcoder> s/then/than[16:44:10] <Zordrak> and a shitload more expensive[16:44:17] <Zordrak> and often they dont know either[16:44:18] <pickcoder> but it gets done right, the first time[16:44:33] <pickcoder> then your looking in the wrong place. :)[16:44:38] <pickcoder> geez I can't type today[16:45:28] * pickcoder bounces ScanAlert on a concrete floor and shoots for a 3-pointer[16:46:03] <pickcoder> I think their vulnerability scanner is set to "annoy admin" mode.[16:46:43] <pickcoder> you fix all of the problems and they find a "new" problem that has existed longer than the previous ones[16:46:51] <Signum> consultants get things done? I haven't met *one* consultant who got anything done but writing invoices.[16:47:03] <lunaphyte> hear hear[16:47:14] <pickcoder> Signum: I meant as far as providing the info to do it properly[16:47:20] <pickcoder> versus reading 10 how-tos that are wrong[16:47:27] <Signum> My boss once threatened a consultant to send *him* an invoice for us training him. :)[16:47:48] <Signum> What was the saying again? "A consultant is a person who in exchange for your watch tells you the time."[16:47:50] <pickcoder> stop getting your consultant list from Gogole then[16:47:56] <Signum> heh[16:47:57] <pickcoder> geez.. ok I'm done typing[16:48:06] *** Skinkie has joined #postfix[16:48:11] <pickcoder> must.. have..caffeine[16:48:26] <lunaphyte> i think you meant golgol[16:48:29] <Skinkie> i have set my debug_peer_level to 1[16:48:44] <Skinkie> but still i see a massive amount of verbose[16:48:52] <Skinkie> logging, is there any other place logging is set?[16:48:55] <pickcoder> master.cf[16:49:31] <Skinkie> thanks[16:53:07] <pickcoder> The Samsung has returned. I wonder which model they shipped as a replacement.[16:54:14] <seekwill> The same exact one you shipped to them![16:54:20] *** haclet has joined #postfix[16:54:42] <pickcoder> oddly enough yeah[16:54:46] <haclet> Hi everybody.[16:54:52] <pickcoder> the past few I shipped off for repair came back as newer models[16:54:56] <haclet> I have a small issue with postfix ...[16:55:05] <haclet> seems not reading header_checks directive at all.[16:55:07] <lunaphyte> maybe if you're lucky it'll be full of rocks and potatoes, and you'll be able to do something actually productive with it.[16:55:26] <pickcoder> mmm potatoes[16:55:41] <pickcoder> haclet: postconf -n to a pastebin[16:56:04] <pickcoder> as well as any relevant hash files[16:56:13] <haclet> How I can I test it that is working? - postfix doesn't complain in logs, but seems not reading this dircetive[16:56:25] <haclet> pickcoder: will do that, one moment[16:56:49] * pickcoder does not like the touch panel buttons on the new 940 series[16:57:22] *** fraff has left #postfix[16:59:07] <pickcoder> no response from he.net. I'm not feeling the love...[17:00:05] *** _p8709645 has quit IRC[17:00:14] *** githogori has quit IRC[17:00:47] <lunaphyte> as in the web site isn't accessible?[17:00:57] <pickcoder> no quote response[17:01:02] <lunaphyte> oh[17:01:03] <pickcoder> not even a "we're working on it.."[17:01:24] <lunaphyte> they're too busy providing ipv6 services for me.[17:01:30] <pickcoder> bleh[17:01:32] *** clockspider has quit IRC[17:01:46] <lunaphyte> on my crapy little tunnel.[17:01:50] <lunaphyte> *crappy[17:01:58] *** bxf has joined #postfix[17:02:11] <haclet> pickcoder: Thx - but solved this problem.[17:02:30] <haclet> Will speak when I will stuck again.[17:02:32] <bxf> is there anyone who followed the tutorial on workaround.org?[17:02:55] <bxf> I have a question: why isn't saslauthd package installed?[17:02:56] <lunaphyte> i don't think so, no.[17:03:11] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[17:03:15] *** Roobarb-Work has quit IRC[17:04:41] <lunaphyte> bxf: probably because you didn't install it.[17:05:15] <bxf> lunaphyte, I followed the guide, but there is no mentioning of saslauthd process.[17:05:16] <Signum> bxf: because dovecot can handle the authentication. saslauthd is evil.[17:05:17] *** Skinkie has left #postfix[17:05:31] <bxf> Signum, I guess you got the right answer.[17:05:42] <Signum> bxf: I guess so, too, because I wrote the tutorial. :)[17:05:43] <bxf> Signum, then why saslauthd is evil?[17:06:06] <bxf> Signum, thank you for the nice tutorial. I didn't 'fail miserably' ;-)[17:06:35] <Signum> bxf: It's a bit harder to configure with Debian running Postfix running chrooted. And the syntax is sometimes cryptic and has changed a lot between versions.[17:06:42] <Signum> bxf: Great you like it. :)[17:07:10] <Signum> ...which reminds me to get the page on greylisting, DKIM and smtpd_*_restrictions online... :([17:07:26] * Signum is so damn lazy[17:07:32] <bxf> Signum, it is great indeed. I always wanted to configure a postfix server myself. and I am happy I did it.[17:07:53] <bxf> Signum, may I suggest another tutorial? you may want to take a look.[17:08:05] <Signum> bxf: My goal was to make people understand what they are doing instead of just copy/paste/copy/paste/fail...[17:08:11] <Signum> bxf: Sure.[17:09:08] <bxf> Signum, http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20090215.html[17:09:28] <bxf> I didn't follow this one, but i got a feeling this one is solid as well.[17:10:03] <bxf> Signum, also I totally agree your view that a tutorial should explain both what and how.....[17:10:08] <Signum> bxf: Nice, thanks. Didn't know it.[17:10:42] <bxf> Signum, I actually have a few questions about the tutorial.[17:11:12] <bxf> Signum, my mail client has an option to have secure authentication.[17:11:25] <bxf> but when I turned it on, I can't access the postfix server.[17:12:15] <Signum> bxf: did you enable TLS in your main.cf?[17:12:25] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[17:12:35] <bxf> Signum, I mean "use secure authentication" not TLS which is "secure connection"[17:12:54] *** TeckniX_idle is now known as TeckniX|Away[17:13:06] <Signum> bxf: it should support that. secure in an SMTP authentication context?[17:14:18] <bxf> I mean under Thunderbird and outlook express, there is an option called 'secure authenticaion'. let me try to paste a picture for you.[17:14:34] <Signum> bxf: do you know which kind of secure auth that is?[17:14:51] <Signum> bxf: Because in dovecot.conf / auth default / mechanisms you can configure which auth mechs are available.[17:14:55] <Signum> bxf: I'm just using "plain login" here.[17:15:04] <Signum> bxf: While e.g. ntlm or diest-md5 would be available, too[17:15:46] <bxf> hmm, how do I feed the password as diest-md5 to server?[17:17:26] <bxf> Signum, I am a bit confused. But allow me to paste a screen shot.[17:18:06] <Signum> sure[17:18:42] <Signum> bxf: Honestly I haven't used digest-md5. The database you use has the passwords MD5-hashed. But I'm not entirely sure that's sufficient.[17:19:32] <bxf> Signum, http://citymin.com/uploads/images/ssl.jpg[17:20:16] <bxf> Signum, in the picture. I can both use SSL and TLS to get my mail. But I can't use 'secure authentication'[17:20:24] <bxf> and I don't what it is.[17:20:57] <Signum> bxf: I guess it's using the SSL-enabled port instead of trying a STARTTLS then.[17:21:09] <lunaphyte> secure authentication refers to shared secret sasl mechanisms. i wouldn't worry about it. if you're protecting the stream with tls, you're fine.[17:21:10] <Signum> bxf: E.g. SMTP is 25 while SSMTP is 465.[17:21:34] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[17:21:58] <Dominian> You can do TLS on port 25[17:21:59] <Signum> bxf: I believe you have to enable an SSMTP service in your /etc/postfix/master.cf or something like that[17:22:22] <Signum> Dominian: yes, with STARTTLS. but if you want to speak SSL/TLS right from the start you have to connect to the SSL enabled port IMHO[17:22:36] * Dominian shrugs[17:22:42] <Dominian> definitely true[17:23:05] <bxf> Signum, lunaphyte, Dominian: so which one shall I use? TLS or SSL for getting mial?[17:23:42] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[17:23:44] <bxf> Signum, following the tutorial, I can't send mail via SSL, but fine with TLS.[17:23:48] <lunaphyte> tls, if available.[17:24:06] <bxf> (I am new to all these encryted communication)[17:24:45] <Zordrak> Anyone got any suggestions for the best handler for non-vacation auto-replies? I have a couple of addresses that auto reply to say you have reached an unmanned address.. please go to some url instead... previously these were handled by an exim filter that dropped the incoming message and sent the reply[17:25:27] <Signum> yes, "tls, if available" will use STARTTLS and is a safe choice[17:25:52] <Dominian> secure authentication can be viewed as like.. cram-md5 etc[17:26:09] *** paziek_ has quit IRC[17:26:23] <Zordrak> Dominian: if only my backend supported it[17:26:35] <Dominian> Zordrak: :)[17:26:42] <Dominian> Zordrak: Mine does.. however, its a pita to manage imo[17:26:42] <bxf> Dominian, do you have any idea how to implement this? Is it even necessary with SSL or TSL?[17:26:55] <Dominian> bxf: its just another layer of security.. it all depends on how you view it.[17:27:05] <lunaphyte> dude - like i said, don't waste your time.[17:27:12] <bxf> lunaphyte, me?[17:27:14] <Dominian> If you think more security = better.. go for it.. if its a waste of your time to add authenticated cram-md5 sessions when you're already using SSL/TLS.. don't use it.[17:27:16] <lunaphyte> yes[17:27:37] <bxf> Signum, another question: do you think it is possible to add an extra field about "virual users"?[17:27:39] <Zordrak> IMHO cram-md5 when already using SSL/TLS is a waste of time[17:28:14] <bxf> Signum, I mean if would be nice to add an extra filed where admins can put in some extra information about the mail account.[17:28:16] <Zordrak> Dominian: any opinion on the autoreplies?[17:28:38] <Signum> bxf: Sure. Feel free to add as much as you need. Comments. Or even a true/false field to deactivate a certain account. Or quotas.[17:29:17] *** makerc has left #postfix[17:29:25] <bxf> Signum, I don't know mysql to add extra fields. thinking you might want to add it in the tutorial ;-)[17:29:30] <bxf> so many things to learn.[17:31:28] <Signum> bxf: I think you may rather want to learn MySQL. ;)[17:31:39] <Signum> bxf: You'll need it one day anyway probably.[17:32:51] <bxf> Signum, another question: the certificates are just for one domain. If I login using a different virtual domain, I can't get ride of the warning.[17:33:05] *** Robbie__ has quit IRC[17:33:16] <bxf> any way to get around this for different virtual domains and ca certificates?[17:33:23] *** vys has quit IRC[17:33:52] <Signum> bxf: not really unless you use different IP addresses for each domain.[17:34:06] <Signum> bxf: After all the SSL/TLS handshake occurs before postfix knows which domain you want to send to.[17:34:47] <bxf> Signum, then the point of using virtual domains seem of less use in this respect[17:34:54] * Zordrak beats Dominian for going into hiding :)[17:35:22] <Signum> bxf: Maybe. It's a common restriction. Same as with apache and SSL. Each ssl server needs a distinct IP[17:36:50] <bxf> I see. but virtual users and aliases in the tutorial are powerful.[17:37:12] <bxf> for virtual domains, I guess most companies just use one domain for mail[17:38:30] <Signum> bxf: Maybe. My current employer has 10 domains. And we are using my tutorial's setup here. More domains may come. And be it just aliased domains.[17:38:40] <Signum> bxf: So the tutorial is not only for ISPs but also for small-sized companies.[17:39:29] <bxf> Signum, then how do you solve the certificates problem?[17:40:32] *** zidge has joined #postfix[17:40:36] <Signum> bxf: our users use a common server for any of our domains. it's always imap.ourcompany.com[17:40:47] <zidge> hello every body[17:40:50] <bxf> Signum, I see.[17:40:58] <Signum> bxf: and incoming email comes via SMTP anyway. so there is no certificate involved.[17:41:42] <bxf> Signum, I am nore sure what you meant[17:42:11] <zidge> I need some help, I am setting up postfix as a replacement to sendmail, and I have a problem, I would like to allow any one to send emails to my domain[17:42:28] <bxf> Signum, users for imap.ourcompany.com are all from the same domain?[17:42:52] <zidge> and right now, I was only able to open for a limited amount of IPs[17:43:58] <zidge> and getting Relay access denied errors from my ISP SMTP[17:44:54] <zidge> I see in the main.cf a comment about "Trusted" users and "Untrusted" users, but seems those Untrusted users don't have access at all[17:44:58] <Signum> bxf: imap.ourcompany.com will be used to fetch emails for john at somedomain dot com and jack at anotherdomain dot com[17:45:21] <Signum> bxf: It's just the server name that you are connecting to. It has nothing to do with the domain of the email addresses.[17:45:55] <Signum> bxf: Take your favorite internet provider that gives you a domain and an email address. They will tell you to fetch the emails from imap.mygreatprovider.com while your actual email address is bxf at pornhub dot com[17:46:21] <Signum> bxf: The certificate is sent during the encrypted IMAP connection.[17:46:32] <bxf> Signum, no. my email address is bxf at hardcorecentral dot com[17:46:45] <bxf> ;-)[17:47:19] <bxf> Signum, I am still not sure what you mean. but I'll save it for later considerations.[17:48:24] <bxf> Signum, change imap.mygreatprovider.com into pop.mygreatprovider.com will do the same?[17:50:20] <sysmonk> moin[17:50:23] <sysmonk> or even, evenin[17:51:29] *** polaru has quit IRC[17:51:30] *** Pazzo has quit IRC[17:52:50] *** F6F_ has quit IRC[17:52:58] *** F6F has joined #postfix[17:53:22] *** tom_wifi has quit IRC[17:54:06] *** F6F has quit IRC[17:54:09] <xabbuh> zidge: can you paste the corresponding log and the output of postconf -n[17:54:12] *** F6F has joined #postfix[17:55:07] <lunaphyte> who's been doing dkim here lately?[17:55:50] <bxf> Signum, one final thing. I noticed the /var/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log file should be owned by vmail instead of root.[17:56:18] <bxf> Signum, otherwise dovecot doesn't work properly. did you have the same problem?[17:56:46] <zidge> xabbuh: going to past it to you directly[17:57:24] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[18:03:48] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[18:05:28] *** waKKu has joined #postfix[18:05:47] <Zordrak> Anyone got any suggestions for the best handler for non-vacation auto-replies in Postfix? I have a couple of addresses that auto reply to say you have reached an unmanned address.. please go to some url instead... previously these were handled by an exim filter that dropped the incoming message and sent the reply. The vacation script in postfixadmin isnt quite suitable.[18:05:47] <waKKu> hi folks... i've a unusual situation here, i guess[18:06:13] <waKKu> i'm trying to setup a header/body checks per domain... does any way to make it decent ?[18:06:54] *** Section1 has quit IRC[18:07:26] *** bxf has quit IRC[18:08:10] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[18:08:12] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: I just setup DKIM[18:08:52] <lunaphyte> what software did you settle on?[18:09:12] <pickcoder> Zordrak: you can configure a pipe transport that runs a command to send the reply via sendmail/submission/etc. Map the transport using user@domain transport.[18:09:21] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: amavisd-new made it fairly easy[18:09:40] <pickcoder> there's even a script that provides the public key for you to stick in DNS[18:09:44] <lunaphyte> pickcoder: oh, no milter?[18:09:55] <pickcoder> nope. I just turned it on[18:10:14] <pickcoder> it also handles verification, but I've not veriried that it's working properly[18:10:15] <lunaphyte> you're doing outgoing signing as well as incoming verification?[18:10:19] <lunaphyte> ah[18:10:27] <pickcoder> no one sends us signed mail[18:10:43] <pickcoder> via newsletter[18:10:53] <pickcoder> I will be implementing DKIM on our main mail server shortly[18:12:41] <Zordrak> pickcoder: will look, ta[18:13:06] *** zidge has left #postfix[18:13:51] <lunaphyte> pickcoder: so no additional software beyond amavis (and whatever modules)?[18:14:07] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[18:14:46] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[18:16:29] *** palooka has joined #postfix[18:19:04] *** Filbert- has joined #postfix[18:19:11] <palooka> Anyone know why some people would not be able to send mail via Outlook using my postfix server while others can?[18:19:40] <Zordrak> palooka: logs[18:20:10] <palooka> I think it has something to do with my helo restrictions, which are as follows: smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname reject_invalid_helo_hostname permit.[18:20:36] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[18:21:27] <palooka> I can send mail using Outlook so long as permit_sasl_authenticated appears before any of the rejects. However, several clients cannot. Is it possible that they are not sasl authenticated by the time the helo restrictions are invoked?[18:23:07] <palooka> Also, are helo restrictions particularly necessary if you have sender and recipient restrictions? I'm new to postfix (used qmail for many years).[18:24:13] <palooka> I've looked over the logs, Zordrak. Hasn't helped, but I may have missed something.[18:24:25] <lunaphyte> helo restriction are not worth much, typically.[18:27:13] *** Gerdesas has quit IRC[18:27:22] *** Gerdesas___ has joined #postfix[18:27:24] <lunaphyte> !tell palooka error report[18:28:31] *** s0ber has quit IRC[18:29:58] * cpm reports lunaphyte[18:30:13] <rob0> !outlook[18:30:14] <knoba> rob0: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us[18:30:25] <cpm> !lookout[18:30:26] <knoba> cpm: Error: "lookout" is not a valid command.[18:30:30] <cpm> !rob0[18:30:30] <knoba> cpm: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)[18:33:51] <palooka> Thanks, knoba. I'll have a look at that.[18:36:49] <palooka> So, I dropped my helo restrictions, but now one of my clients can't send because they're being blocked by zen.spamhaus.org. This makes no sense. My server is not blacklisted, and the reject_rbl_client lines are in smtpd_recipient_restrictions.[18:37:08] <seekwill> Logs[18:37:16] <seekwill> What is the response from zen?[18:37:31] <palooka> Looking . . .[18:39:43] <rob0> It's Outlook: trashware. You tell it to AUTH, it doesn't know how, so it silently fails. If you don't AUTH, you're not going to match permit_sasl_authenticated. Nothing strange at all. And only about the 500K people have posted about the very same problem on the mailing list.[18:40:13] <jeev> lol[18:40:16] <jeev> microsoft is funies[18:40:27] <rob0> s/the 500K/500K/[18:40:58] <palooka> Have any of those 500K people found a workaround?[18:41:05] <jeev> yes, thunderbird[18:41:22] <palooka> That means losing clients.[18:41:37] <palooka> Most clients are complete morons who are absolutely petrified by change.[18:41:52] <palooka> They'd rather take their hosting elsewhere than change their email client.[18:41:58] <rob0> Then money is at stake ... I'll fix it for $100.[18:42:23] * cpm listens to the chirping crickets[18:42:42] <palooka> I'll figure it out.[18:42:47] <seekwill> heh[18:43:09] * cpm wonders why folks want to compete with gmail[18:43:19] *** makerc has joined #postfix[18:44:00] <palooka> cpm: Then why are you here?[18:44:12] <cpm> to pick on rob0[18:44:24] <rob0> We're not all trying to compete with gmail.[18:44:34] * cpm competes with gmail on price alone.[18:48:16] *** _p870 has joined #postfix[18:48:37] <Dominian> gmail is expensive for its google apps[18:48:51] <cpm> ?[18:49:10] <cpm> $25 seat/year?[18:49:27] <Dominian> yeah. I can get a vps for 230/year.. install my own[18:49:42] <Dominian> and have complete control[18:49:50] <cpm> and serve up google apps?[18:49:59] <Dominian> nah screw them[18:49:59] *** haclet has quit IRC[18:50:00] <Dominian> :)[18:50:17] <Dominian> cpm: however, you can do gtalk/docs without having email on google apps..[18:50:50] <cpm> so, you can pay $230 a year, and some completely unknown variable of time to host email, to compete with gmail, which is free? and get ahead this way? That's almost as insane as me.[18:51:02] <Dominian> heh[18:51:24] <Dominian> cpm: I can't stand the fact that a) google apps doesn't support GPG b) I have no real control over the spam/viral filters[18:51:27] <cpm> I on the other pay a lot of money to host email, so I compete by losing money, but not nearly as fast as google.[18:51:28] <Dominian> and I'm sure I'll think of more[18:51:28] <cpm> :)[18:51:50] <Dominian> their idea of "custom" urls is BS[18:51:56] <Dominian> ooo lets cname it[18:51:56] <Dominian> bah[18:52:29] <cpm> works fine. next?[18:52:47] <Dominian> no.. when i want custom urls...[18:52:57] <Dominian> I want clients to see my domain.. not google.com/a/domain.tld[18:52:57] <cpm> what for? vanity?[18:52:58] <Dominian> :P[18:53:18] <cpm> you will be assimilated![18:53:26] <Zordrak> cnames are fine.. until you realise SSL + CNAMES + APACHE = Fail (unless you use an RFC-breaking *.domain cert)[18:53:30] <Dominian> cpm: to me.. its not vantiy.. its the fact that you're advertising their shit for them[18:53:33] <cpm> google can hold it's breath longer than you.[18:53:40] <cpm> Dominian, heh,[18:53:46] <Dominian> cpm: same with google ad words[18:53:47] <rob0> I want a PONY!!![18:53:56] <cpm> Can't have a pony![18:53:58] <cpm> not yours![18:54:01] <Dominian> the instant your sites picks up traffic *THEY* think is *bad* they cut off your account.[18:54:14] *** vys has joined #postfix[18:54:16] <Dominian> but yet.. they owe you money... cause you just advertised for them and their fucking sponsors[18:54:23] <cpm> !pony[18:54:23] <knoba> cpm: "pony" : http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg[18:54:30] * rob0 cries[18:55:13] *** hparker has joined #postfix[19:07:55] *** vys has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** _p870 has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** palooka has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** Ugly_Duck has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** Zordrak has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** hark has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** AndrewKT has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** gebi has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** Kreg-Work has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** blake has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** Radiance has quit IRC[19:07:55] *** anders_l has quit IRC[19:07:56] *** Daviey has quit IRC[19:07:56] *** al has quit IRC[19:08:33] *** vys has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** _p870 has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** palooka has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** Ugly_Duck has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** Zordrak has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** hark has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** AndrewKT has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** gebi has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** Kreg-Work has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** Radiance has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** al has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** Daviey has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** blake has joined #postfix[19:08:34] *** anders_l has joined #postfix[19:10:15] *** jtrm has quit IRC[19:11:31] *** vys has quit IRC[19:11:41] *** vys has joined #postfix[19:14:37] *** F6F_ has joined #postfix[19:21:01] *** Section1 has quit IRC[19:22:56] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[19:28:10] *** F6F has quit IRC[19:37:36] *** Gerdesas___ is now known as Gerdesas[19:40:42] <pickcoder> Zordrak: newer browsers support name-based SSL[19:40:57] <pickcoder> but if you don't have a confined audience, it's suicide to try it[19:41:10] <pickcoder> but.. that's another channel[19:42:00] <Zordrak> indeed[19:42:24] <Zordrak> i used a *.example.org cert for my home server for my use... but at work i couldnt dream of it[19:43:20] <pickcoder> I'm not sure I'd attempt to do anything @work that I do @home[19:43:36] <pickcoder> but.. that's definately another channel[19:43:46] <pickcoder> definitely[19:43:49] <pickcoder> meh[19:43:53] <Zordrak> ++[19:46:05] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[19:46:42] *** tessier__ has joined #postfix[19:46:44] <tessier__> Hello all![19:48:23] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[19:49:01] <tessier__> I asked about this the other day but I don't think we came to a definitive answer: I have an MX that I want to do spam filtering on using crm114. Normally you use procmail to feed the mail to crm114. But I'm not sure how I can do that and still get the mail passed onto the final destination as specified in the transport maps. Does postfix have some sort of API where I can filter all mail through some other app and the let it continue on its way?[19:49:57] *** avinson has joined #postfix[19:50:17] <lunaphyte> !milter[19:50:18] <knoba> lunaphyte: "milter" : Postfix support for Sendmail milters: http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html[19:50:32] *** _p870 has left #postfix[19:50:36] <pickcoder> content_filter[19:50:38] <pickcoder> !content_filter[19:50:39] <knoba> pickcoder: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.[19:50:50] <tessier__> Hmm...I want this MX running postfix to pipe all mail through crm114. Postfix pipe delivery agent might do it...as long as it doesn't insist on local delivery.[19:50:53] <tessier__> ah[19:50:56] <tessier__> Thanks![19:51:22] <lunaphyte> although imo, there are better tools to use for spam filtering than crm114[19:51:40] <tessier__> lunaphyte: I like crm114 and the purely bayesian approach. What else would you recommend?[19:52:05] <lunaphyte> amavis+sa is tough to beat.[19:52:07] *** hparker has quit IRC[19:52:28] <lunaphyte> not to mention a well set up pre-data restriction configuration[19:52:53] <lunaphyte> to each his own though, it doesn't matter too much to me.[19:53:13] <tessier__> I've run amavis+sa in the past. Too many things to tweak and uses a lot of resources compared to crm114.[19:53:14] <lunaphyte> i'm too busy reading about "selectors" to drag out my soapbox :)[19:53:17] <tessier__> hehe[19:53:37] <lunaphyte> there is some truth to that, indeed, but worth the investment.[19:54:12] <lunaphyte> i doubt you could beat my success rate using crm114, but no matter.[19:56:32] <lunaphyte> so it seems to me that if i only plan on using a single key for the moment, a select like default._domainkey.example.com would make sense.[19:56:43] <lunaphyte> *selector[19:57:19] <pickcoder> I rarely scan mail[19:57:22] <pickcoder> spamhaus++[19:57:46] <pickcoder> my scan-to-ban ratio is probably less than 1%[19:58:20] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: yes that's fine[19:58:23] <pickcoder> you can call whatever you want[19:58:33] <pickcoder> just make sure it matches in the DNS setup[19:59:56] <pickcoder> 16,070 naught clients and counting[20:00:04] <pickcoder> ~naughty[20:00:23] <pickcoder> (for a two-hour ban window)[20:00:54] <lunaphyte> naughty little clients... they're so dirty![20:03:18] <lunaphyte> the granularity thing refers to the lhs of an email address?[20:04:17] *** jangell has joined #postfix[20:05:44] <pickcoder> lhs?[20:06:01] <pickcoder> oh[20:06:04] <pickcoder> yeah[20:06:18] <pickcoder> also known as user-part[20:06:26] <pickcoder> username[20:06:55] <lunaphyte> i see, yeah.[20:07:28] <pickcoder> unless you are signing for the domain[20:07:43] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[20:08:28] <pickcoder> I assume you're talking about the identification aspect[20:08:32] <pickcoder> not the signing[20:08:52] <pickcoder> signing granulatiry is scoped by the selector chosen[20:10:57] <pickcoder> then again I could be way out in left field with misconceptions[20:11:15] <lunaphyte> no, signing, regarding the g= tag[20:11:24] <pickcoder> typically it's domain[20:11:35] <lunaphyte> 3.6.1 of rfc 4871 seems to clarify it.[20:11:53] <pickcoder> kinda like LDAP schemas.. do what you want with it[20:11:56] <pickcoder> )[20:12:04] <pickcoder> argh.. my eyes are gone[20:12:39] <lunaphyte> this is odd though - this little program to generate keys, dkim-genkey, has an option -r "Restricts the key for use in e-mail signing only. The default is to allow the key to be used for any service."[20:13:10] <lunaphyte> looking at the program though, all that does is set a var, restrict=1, but never does anything with it.[20:15:06] <pickcoder> hrm.. looks like g= is normally used for local parts[20:15:16] <lunaphyte> yeah.[20:15:18] <pickcoder> I guess I'm confused on terminology[20:15:52] <lunaphyte> eat some more alphabits.[20:17:02] <pickcoder> looks like the s tag is set to "email" selector for mail[20:17:35] *** bturnbull has joined #postfix[20:18:26] *** bturnbull has quit IRC[20:18:29] *** bturnbull has joined #postfix[20:19:35] *** _wms has joined #postfix[20:19:45] <pickcoder> oh wait[20:19:48] <pickcoder> that was the header rec[20:19:49] <pickcoder> doh[20:20:24] <pickcoder> s=* or leave it out for all services. s=email for email-only DKIM[20:21:01] <lunaphyte> i wonder what other services would be.[20:21:16] <pickcoder> faxes![20:21:20] <pickcoder> woo woo[20:21:24] <lunaphyte> ugh[20:21:58] *** s0ber_ has joined #postfix[20:27:08] *** diqpi1 has quit IRC[20:32:09] *** s0ber has quit IRC[20:40:07] *** daguz has left #postfix[20:45:02] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[20:47:36] <lunaphyte> boo. bind limits txt records to 255 bytes.[20:48:22] *** orev has joined #postfix[20:50:17] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[20:50:29] <orev> when using postconf -e to update settings, how does one remove a setting or reset it back to default? is there a way other than locating the default value using postconf -d, then inserting that value into the command?[20:57:04] *** weedar has joined #postfix[21:00:10] <lunaphyte> correct.[21:00:17] <lunaphyte> you could do something like postconf -e "smtpd_banner = $(postconf -dh 'smtpd_banner')"[21:00:20] <lunaphyte> (assuming bash)[21:05:01] *** Jimi_ has joined #postfix[21:05:05] <Jimi_> I want to manually hold some messages using header checks, but i want mail scanner to ignore them. Is this possible?[21:05:18] <lunaphyte> sorry, we don't do mailscanner here.[21:05:24] <orev> lunaphyte: ok, thanks[21:05:25] <Jimi_> Maybe[21:05:32] <lunaphyte> !tell Jimi_ mailscanner[21:05:41] <Jimi_> !tell lunaphyte mailscanner[21:05:44] <lunaphyte> orev: sure thing[21:05:46] <Jimi_> :P[21:05:59] <Jimi_> Is mail scanner bad?[21:06:03] <lunaphyte> yes[21:06:05] <Jimi_> Why?[21:06:16] <Jimi_> Because it doe everything we need?[21:06:27] *** Jimi_ has left #postfix[21:06:28] <lunaphyte> it manipulates the postfix queue using undocumented and unsupported methods.[21:06:31] <lunaphyte> sigh.[21:06:32] <rob0> haha[21:06:43] <lunaphyte> i almost had him too.[21:06:56] *** TeckniX|Away has left #postfix[21:07:36] <rob0> Jimi is annoying. He comes in using other nicks sometimes. Always that same host, rrcs-70-63-90-226.midsouth.biz.rr.com, an insurance agency.[21:07:53] * cpm annoys rob0[21:08:25] <lunaphyte> i thought i recognized the name, yeah. my client doesn't show source addresses though, so i don't make some of those correlations.[21:10:40] <rob0> You might remember me blasting him once.[21:10:46] * rob0 blasts cpm[21:12:25] <lunaphyte> it would be cool to have some sort of a "meta-bot" here that could make associations between nicks and terms (and perhaps hostmasks)[21:13:09] *** devdas has joined #postfix[21:14:12] <lunaphyte> there could be a library of common terms held by the bot that was maintained using a method similar to teaching factoids, maybe, and the bot could record when a particular user used a certain term, along with the number of repetitions and maybe frequency"[21:14:40] * lunaphyte wonders how that doubt quote snuck in there.[21:15:02] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[21:15:45] <devdas> It was put there by your computer[21:15:57] <devdas> It's a signal that your computer is plotting against you[21:16:05] <devdas> Time to organise the computers into committees[21:16:45] <lunaphyte> devdas: time to put down that hookah, man![21:17:13] <lunaphyte> now, where's my metal strainer?[21:18:59] <rob0> I doubt there is a !doubt[21:19:42] <lunaphyte> ¡ɯıɥ pǝǝɟ[21:20:37] *** madrescher has quit IRC[21:21:31] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[21:22:38] <_wms> When using virtual(5), is there a proper way to add a header with the original address so mail clients know which address to reply with?[21:23:07] <rob0> the original address is still in the header, if it was there to begin with.[21:23:57] <rob0> X-Original-To: is added in any case[21:24:32] <_wms> rob0: hmm, I'm not getting X-Original-To. I thought that was just added for virtual(8), not virtual(5)[21:25:22] <rob0> virtual(8) does not change / rewrite addresses.[21:26:32] <rob0> I don't personally have any virtual(8) account to see what IS in the headers, and I don't feel like snooping my users' mail, but I don't see why there would be a need for X-Original-To:.[21:27:21] <rob0> Maybe something is stripping out (or the MUA is masking) your X-Original-To: header?[21:27:29] <_wms> rob0: virtual(8) adds that header (according to the man page), but virtual(5) does not.[21:27:51] <_wms> ... and we're only using virtual(5)[21:28:56] <rob0> but then what handles delivery, local(8)? Or something external?[21:30:48] <rob0> I guess X-Original-To: is indeed added by the delivery agent, but only in the case that the address differed from the Delivered-To: address.[21:31:08] <rob0> so we're both right, in a way[21:31:13] <_wms> rob0: this server only performs virtual(5) mappings, it does not have any real mailboxes.[21:31:30] <rob0> ah, so the mail goes elsewhere[21:32:02] <rob0> hmm[21:32:13] <devdas> _wms: ask me on Monday, I'll put up some bad Perl code which breaks bcc but gives you all the envelope information in an X-Envelope: header[21:32:29] <devdas> (It's bad because it breaks bcc, not bad Perl)[21:32:38] <_wms> the problem we have, is the server also runs Mailman. Mailman added a Delivered-to for the mailing list. When mailman sends to foo@virtual, the server rewrites it to foo@real and sends it. The foo@virtual ends up no being in any Received header or anywhere else.[21:34:12] <_wms> In the case when mailman is not involved, clients seem to pick out the original from he Received headers.[21:34:33] *** gerhard7 has quit IRC[21:41:41] <_wms> devdas: ok thanks[21:45:12] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:55:20] *** kapa has joined #postfix[21:55:37] *** xpeed has quit IRC[21:57:20] *** devdas has quit IRC[22:05:20] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[22:05:58] <kapa> how do i enable port 25 for my LAN to be able to access it? I test SMTP from the mail server box itself, it works fine, but when I try to connect to it within the network from another box it won't connect and when i scan the ports it says 25 is closed...[22:08:54] <Zerberus> !inet_interfaces[22:08:54] <knoba> Zerberus: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.[22:09:38] <kapa> its set to all[22:09:54] <Zerberus> then check your firewall[22:09:58] <kapa> its closed[22:10:03] <kapa> turned off*[22:10:08] <lunaphyte> prove it[22:10:11] <kapa> i know i can access it cuz i can use IMAP just fine[22:10:23] <Zerberus> IMAP is not SMTP[22:10:24] <lunaphyte> uh, thats not a good indicator, sorry.[22:10:42] <seekwill> Well, sounds like an ISP issue :)[22:10:51] <kapa> well ok, i run "system-config-firewall" and its off :)[22:11:00] <seekwill> kapa: Home residential service?[22:11:00] <lunaphyte> lsof -nP | grep -iF ':25'[22:11:01] <kapa> but im testing locally[22:11:27] <lunaphyte> show the output of that command[22:11:30] <lunaphyte> !pastebin[22:11:30] <knoba> lunaphyte: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.[22:11:36] <lunaphyte> !nopaste[22:11:37] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "nopaste" is not a valid command.[22:11:40] <lunaphyte> feh[22:11:49] <lunaphyte> !factoid[22:11:49] <knoba> lunaphyte: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know. see http://workaround.org/f=postfix for a list of knoba's factoids.[22:11:59] <kapa> yea one sec[22:12:07] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[22:12:35] <kapa> pastebin.com/m76ad9381[22:13:10] <lunaphyte> looks to me like postfix isn't even running[22:13:24] <lunaphyte> ps -aefwww | grep -i master[22:13:38] <kapa> shit ur right[22:13:43] <kapa> it was down weird[22:13:59] * lunaphyte hands kapa a comma.[22:14:17] <kapa> hehe yea thanks :)[22:14:20] <kapa> ok i restarted it[22:15:20] <seekwill> lol[22:16:07] <kapa> pastebin.com/m7a0c663f[22:17:17] <kapa> oops[22:17:26] <kapa> one sec again[22:17:55] <kapa> pastebin.com/m3be01bbb[22:19:06] <kapa> still no ports open when i scan it[22:19:14] <kapa> no smtp ports*[22:22:45] *** roe_ has quit IRC[22:22:45] *** pa has quit IRC[22:22:45] *** Zygo has quit IRC[22:23:58] <lunaphyte> lsof -nP | grep -iF ':25' 2> /dev/null[22:23:59] *** Zygo has joined #postfix[22:23:59] *** pa has joined #postfix[22:23:59] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[22:24:27] *** Southron has left #Postfix[22:25:41] <kapa> pastebin.com/m3ccc4f34[22:25:47] <kapa> i see 25 =][22:27:16] *** roe_ has quit IRC[22:27:16] *** pa has quit IRC[22:27:16] *** Zygo has quit IRC[22:28:25] <lunaphyte> so there you go. it's not postfix. it's something else in between the client and postfix.[22:29:00] <kapa> but when i scan i see all these other ports open like imap/pop3 etc etc but not 25 =/[22:30:15] *** Zygo has joined #postfix[22:32:14] *** k__ has joined #postfix[22:35:34] *** bronb_ has quit IRC[22:37:30] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[22:37:57] *** roe_ is now known as Guest10327[22:41:12] *** pa has joined #postfix[22:41:20] *** tim-ct has quit IRC[22:43:06] *** hparker has joined #postfix[22:43:35] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[22:55:29] *** vys has quit IRC[22:55:52] *** emptystr has quit IRC[22:59:20] *** xpeed has quit IRC[22:59:28] *** kapa has quit IRC[23:00:41] *** LinuxCode has joined #postfix[23:13:01] *** avinson_ has joined #postfix[23:14:49] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[23:16:58] *** fabounio has joined #postfix[23:17:34] *** avinson__ has joined #postfix[23:18:36] *** avinson has quit IRC[23:19:49] *** avinson_ has quit IRC[23:21:04] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[23:22:58] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[23:23:36] *** cps0 has quit IRC[23:26:38] *** jangell has quit IRC[23:32:36] *** jangell has joined #postfix[23:34:10] *** fabounio has quit IRC[23:40:58] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[23:41:00] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[23:41:02] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[23:45:00] *** avinson__ has quit IRC[23:46:07] *** avinson has joined #postfix[23:47:54] *** avinson has quit IRC[23:49:25] *** hparker has quit IRC[23:55:38] *** exothermc has joined #postfix[23:55:43] *** jangell has quit IRC[23:56:25] <exothermc> is there a good example on how to extract an attachment from an incoming email to a specific address and pass it as an argument to a curl (or other program) ?[23:58:45] *** madrescher has quit IRC